Natalee Case Discussion #705 12/18 - 12/20/07

[ldstlou]

Way past my bedtime...night Monkeys!!
Sweet dreams all!!

[Anna]

Hi y'all, a couple of things I see here:

1. The prosecutor's office basically said in their statement that they excluded any other scenarios of events or perpetrators in the case... that the 3 guys are IT. They just can't prove it to a sustainable burden of proof. That I TOTALLY expected because no one is ever really guilty of a crime in the Dutch system unless caught red-handed. But they admit themselves that these 3 guys are the ones who did it.

2. Mos is saying that the case was politicized and that Aruba has covered up what happened.

Will any of that do anything at all to ever get this case to trial? Probably not. Joran is bulletproof and always has been. A LOT of us knew that and understand why. I have no details and facts to reveal here, just to state it... his family is a European elitist bunch and are connected to the Dutch Mafia. NO Dutch judges will ever touch the guy.

There is 6 years for manslaughter, 12 for murder, before the statute of limitations runs out. We have that long to find new evidence, get someone to crack, or uncover the truth by whatever means.

Maybe the US and the FBI can do more at this point.

It will be interesting going forward where this takes us. They are just as guilty now as they were that night, but Aruban avenues for justice are all blocked as of now pending new developments. Why am I not surprised...

So we continue.

Gotta get in bed soon, see y'all tomorrow sometime!

SB,

Yes, all of this is true.  The Prosecution has gone so far as to state that all other scenarios are in fact fabricated.  I would like to see those who have done these fabrications charged with something but if the main suspects are walking, fat chance of that happening.

Beth had this solved within hours of arriving on that island and the rest of us not far behind her on that.  It was exactly as it appeared at first glance and nothing more no matter how many wild tales were fabricated to try to make it into something more than what it was.

And no answers lie in Mountain Brook so at least that avenue has also been eliminated as a source or possibility along with anything else other than the main suspects, J2k+P did it.

I think dennisintn said it best as to what a cold case means to Aruba.  It will not likely see the light of day again after the end of the year no matter what.

MO

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[Observer]

Lala,

No I have never heard of Wendy Terry. I'M sure someone here as looked into that person.

Nite ldstlou

[Lala'sMom]

I don't remember alot but I do remember the picture quite well and the accusations against Rudy Croes. Never heard anything more about it or anything in the NE. Just interesting that the minister of injustice would be involved in that.

It was in early July 2005.  Then about a week later, an article came out in one of the tabloids about Natalee being the victim of a man who lived out of a suitcase, maybe mr. Pink.

Yes,the article about the porn filmaker possibly being involved and a date rape drug possibly GHB came out Aug 5th. At the same time Mr.Pink was busy shutting down all his websites and a short time later the FBI subpoenad his phone records.

Aruba cops think X may mark the spot

NY DAILY NEWS
AUG 5
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.  I have been trying to find this stuff for a while now.  Was that in the Race Junkies thread and I missed it?  Gosh!  Do you mind if I put it in the Shango thread too? 

[Lala'sMom]

Well, I messed up that post, sorry Obs.  My fingers talked before I looked for the end of the quote. 

[msmarple]

klaas (or someone?) - A few days ago, OceanExplorer mentioned that Diario should have an interesting article "tomorrow". I believe the one below (which previously has been posted here) must be the one he was thinking of - although it had already appeared when OE posted. Diario has not had any subsequent stories about the search.

Now, here's the thing. OE asked if someone would post the article to the search blog when it came out. I don't quite know where/how to do that. There were 2 photos, also, and I think klaas posted the photos.

FYI -- Diario links to previous editions are available indefinitely (don't know how they determine a cut-off). You can change the date in the browser line to a previous date. (Right now I happen to know that I can bring up May 9 2007's edition.)

I have tried to find the SM posting through search but could not.

ANYWAY - here is the article, and the online Pap translation - if someone could run with this and get it on the ocean search blog. (Assuming it's not already there.) The pictures would be nice, too, but I know I don't know how to do that elsewhere.

Hope this request makes sense. 



http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/12/18/

Trabao lo dura dos siman riba laman rond di Aruba!
BARCO CIENTIFICO BUSCANDO NATALEE 24 ORA PA DIA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN); E barco cientifico y di investigacion, RV Persistence, a cuminza cu su trabao di buskeda rond di awanan di Aruba! Si acaso e restonan mortal di Natalee Holloway ta benta den cualkier baki of canaster den laman... e boto aki lo haye 100%.

   A dura como dos aña pa por a logra haya e barco aki bin Aruba, y e ta uno costoso.  E huur so ta core den careda di $1 miyon.

   E team di 18 experto abordo, tabata prefera di a pasa Pasco cu nan famia na Merca.  Pero nan a sacrifica e “Christmas Holiday” aki, pa nan bin pase riba laman coriendo y buscando rond di Aruba!
   E buskeda lo no socede den dia so, sino e buskeda lo ta 24 ora pa dia.  Nan ta pensa di keda aki dos siman, y lo usa un sistema di patronchi pa busca den laman cu tur e equiponan multimiyonario di sensor y detector cu tin abordo.

   Den un entrevista teni Dialuna anochi laat cu Tim Miller, el a splica cu nan ta hopi optimista cu e trabao cu RV Persistence ta haciendo.  Tin dos capitan, di cual cada uno ta core un shift di 12 ora.
   E expertonan abordo, cu nan amplio experiencia den buskeda di e.o. botonan cu a sink, pipa di petroleo, y demas obhetonan den laman rond mundo, ta bay ta un yudanza fuerte pa busca forma pa finaliza e storia di Natalee Holloway.

   E speranza tey cu Ministerio Publico lo por spera sikiera dos siman, prome cu nan dicidi na ‘cera” e capitulo di Natalee pa semper.DIARIO tambe ta pensa esey.  Ban spera cu awe Diamars, cu Ministerio Publico no bin emiti un boletin pa mustra cu nan ta pone caso di Natalee den doofpot... siendo cu tin un Research Vessel multimiyonario pa 14 dia ta nabega den e area di buskeda rond di Aruba.

   Den un entrevista cu Tim Miller, el a indica cu el y su team semper a haya bon trato di hendenan di Aruba.  “Nos no por bisa nada malo di Aruba, pasobra e hendenan di Aruba a trata nos hopi bon for di comienzo.”

   Miller tambe ta comparti e opinion, cu no ta husto cu Arubianonan ta keda sufri pa un caso isola cu a socede cu e teenager di Alabama.

    Pero si tin algun forma pa Natalee worde haya, e ora nan team kier haci algo pa logra esey.  Awor cu e barco cientifico aki presente na Aruba, e ta un trabao optimista pa haci esey.

Online Papiamentu translation:

trabao will last two week on sea
rond of aruba!
barco cientifico buscando natalee 24 hour for day

oranjestad (aan); the barco cientifico y of investigacion, rv persistence, owing to cuminza cu his trabao of buskeda rond of awanan of aruba! if acaso the restonan deadly of natalee holloway is throw in cualkier baki or canaster in sea... the boat here will haye 100%.

owing to last because; two year for can owing to succeed achieve the barco here come aruba, y the is uno costoso. the huur only is core in careda of $1 miyon.

the team of 18 experto abordo, was prefera of owing to happen pasco cu they family at merca. but they owing to sacrifica the “christmas holiday” here, for they come pase on sea coriendo y buscando rond of aruba!

the buskeda will not socede in day only, but the buskeda will is 24 hour for day. they're think of stay here two week, y will using one sistema of patronchi for busca in sea cu all the equiponan multimiyonario of sensor y detector cu have abordo.

in one interview teni monday night late cu tim miller, past owing to splica cu they're much optimist cu the trabao cu rv persistence is haciendo. have two capitan, of cual cada uno is core one shift of 12 hour.

the expertonan abordo, cu they amplio experiencia in buskeda of the.o. botonan cu owing to sink, pipe of petroleum, y other obhetonan in sea rond world, is bay is one yudanza strong for busca form for finaliza the storia of natalee holloway.

the speranza tey cu ministerio publico will can wait for sikiera two week, first cu they dicidi at ‘cera” the capitulo of natalee for always.diario also is think esey. as wait for cu today tuesday, cu ministerio publico not come emiti one bulletin for show cu they're place caso of natalee in doofpot... siendo cu have one research vessel multimiyonario for 14 day is nabega in the area of buskeda rond of aruba.

in one interview cu tim miller, past owing to indica cu past y his team always owing to achieve good trato of hendenan of aruba. “nos not can tell nothing bad of aruba, because the hendenan of aruba owing to deal we much good for of comienzo.”

miller also is comparti the opinion, cu do not fair cu arubianonan is stay abide for one caso isola cu owing to socede cu the teenager of alabama.

but if have some form for natalee worde achieve, the hour they team wanted haci algo for succeed esey. now cu the barco cientifico here present at aruba, the is one trabao optimist for haci esey.

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[Magnolia]

NBC13HD Local News Video (Great Video)

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/video.html

Renho sounded like she was slurrrrring her words.
I guess it was coctail hour in Aruba.

Oh Mags come on now , you know it has to be hard to talk with Jorans thing crammed down her throat

I guess you are right.  I never once thought of that.  I guess thta
is what Joran had to do and couldn't talk to reporters on the phone.

[klaasend]

Lala's - Yes, the one who Deepak asked to give an alibi for, or the one Deepak told something to.  I believe she went to the FBI.

[klaasend]

msmarple - thanks!  I think OE is going to want a clean translation though.  I'll post it anyway. I can't post photos in the comment section of the blog but I can post the link.

[Observer]

Well, I messed up that post, sorry Obs.  My fingers talked before I looked for the end of the quote. 

Actually my error It was in the Mr.Pink thread and your very welcome.

Your looking into some interesting stuff and I am convinced that the series of events and timeline of arrests/questioning tell the story of who implicated who. June 10th and 11th and the 16th-18th are definetly interesting days to look into.IMO

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's - Yes, the one who Deepak asked to give an alibi for, or the one Deepak told something to.  I believe she went to the FBI.

Thanks.  Just another reason for ALE not to ask Deepak any more questions.  What is he going to say?  This girl made it all up? Yeah right, and there is chat traffic to prove she's a liar. hmmmmm. 

[Magnolia]

Lala's - Yes, the one who Deepak asked to give an alibi for, or the one Deepak told something to.  I believe she went to the FBI.

Thanks.  Just another reason for ALE not to ask Deepak any more questions.  What is he going to say?  This girl made it all up? Yeah right, and there is chat traffic to prove she's a liar. hmmmmm. 

Please remind me what it was that scared Deepak so badly that he contacted the
girl to try to set up an alibi.

[Lala'sMom]

Well, I messed up that post, sorry Obs.  My fingers talked before I looked for the end of the quote. 

Actually my error It was in the Mr.Pink thread and your very welcome.

Your looking into some interesting stuff and I am convinced that the series of events and timeline of arrests/questioning tell the story of who implicated who. June 10th and 11th and the 16th-18th are definetly interesting days to look into.IMO

Yes, they are interesting, aren't they.  It is the time that Simian first began his FP postings. The suspect that waltzed away...the 5th suspect.  MuminOhio and I have been tossing this around for a few days.  I think looking at the connections to Mr. Pink and the prostitution and those questioned at that time tells a tale that implicates a person with more leverage than a Dutch kid and his two cohorts.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's - Yes, the one who Deepak asked to give an alibi for, or the one Deepak told something to.  I believe she went to the FBI.

Thanks.  Just another reason for ALE not to ask Deepak any more questions.  What is he going to say?  This girl made it all up? Yeah right, and there is chat traffic to prove she's a liar. hmmmmm. 

Please remind me what it was that scared Deepak so badly that he contacted the
girl to try to set up an alibi.

Yes, someone remind me too. 

[klaasend]

Lala's - Yes, the one who Deepak asked to give an alibi for, or the one Deepak told something to.  I believe she went to the FBI.

Thanks.  Just another reason for ALE not to ask Deepak any more questions.  What is he going to say?  This girl made it all up? Yeah right, and there is chat traffic to prove she's a liar. hmmmmm. 

Please remind me what it was that scared Deepak so badly that he contacted the
girl to try to set up an alibi.

I believe it was something Deepak said regarding the gardener witness. 

[msmarple]

msmarple - thanks!  I think OE is going to want a clean translation though.  I'll post it anyway. I can't post photos in the comment section of the blog but I can post the link.

Thanks klaas. You're the best.

[Magnolia]

Lala's - Yes, the one who Deepak asked to give an alibi for, or the one Deepak told something to.  I believe she went to the FBI.

Thanks.  Just another reason for ALE not to ask Deepak any more questions.  What is he going to say?  This girl made it all up? Yeah right, and there is chat traffic to prove she's a liar. hmmmmm. 

Please remind me what it was that scared Deepak so badly that he contacted the
girl to try to set up an alibi.

I believe it was something Deepak said regarding the gardener witness. 

You are absolutely right Miss Klaas.  I knew that something scared him

[Lala'sMom]

And I wonder how this girl living in Texas could help with Deepak's alibi?  Would he have asked her to say he was chatting with her when the gardener saw him in the car? I would love to read that PV.  In fact, I want to read them all and both of Lorenzo's statements and I want to compare them to what the perps said...man Greta isn't the only one that wants to see those documents. 

[Lala'sMom]

I must hug Nemo now, but I feel sure there is a very smart monkey out there that will find the info on this alibi for Deepak soon.  Thanks to whoever you are and see you guys later...someone get the lights, please.

[Observer]

klaas (or someone?) - A few days ago, OceanExplorer mentioned that Diario should have an interesting article "tomorrow". I believe the one below (which previously has been posted here) must be the one he was thinking of - although it had already appeared when OE posted. Diario has not had any subsequent stories about the search.

Ms.Marple:

Diario posted a story on the 18th. Is that not what OE was referring to?

http://diario-aruba.com/2007/12/18/




Edited to add:Woops I see that was already posted.