Lively Case Discussion #520 9/4 - 9/7/2006

[crazybabyborg]

It's great to see everyone, and I'll be back. Right now, I'm going to drag myself home. Have a good night everyone. HUGS to everybody!

[jobie]

Evening Monkeys!  How is everyone?  Good to see some old familiar faces in the cage tonight.

I'm hot and I'm not done whining about it, lol



It got up over 103 today.  Now it's 99.5 outside and 94 inside...

Klaas do you have airconditioning.

Yes, we have it but haven't turned it on in 10 years.  Don't know if it even works anymore.  It wasn't very effective anyway because we have lots of windows facing the southwest that get all the afternoon sun.  Also, we have no drapes or blinds.  Normally where I live it doesn't get over 80 or so, anything higher is short lived and a rarity.  We have a view of the ocean that you don't want to block.  It's the joy of living here.

I grew up in San Diego and that was the most fantastic weather!

[klaasend]

Evening Monkeys!  How is everyone?  Good to see some old familiar faces in the cage tonight.

I'm hot and I'm not done whining about it, lol



It got up over 103 today.  Now it's 99.5 outside and 94 inside...

Klaas do you have airconditioning.

Yes, we have it but haven't turned it on in 10 years.  Don't know if it even works anymore.  It wasn't very effective anyway because we have lots of windows facing the southwest that get all the afternoon sun.  Also, we have no drapes or blinds.  Normally where I live it doesn't get over 80 or so, anything higher is short lived and a rarity.  We have a view of the ocean that you don't want to block.  It's the joy of living here.

I grew up in San Diego and that was the most fantastic weather!

Yep, San Diego does have great weather.  They may have been a little cooler down there today, not sure.  It just sort of depends on the winds.  It's finally starting to cool down now and it's supposed to be quite a bit cooler the rest of the week!

GOODNIGHT ALL!

[jobie]

Just fired off this email --

memberservices@abc.go.com

Subject: GMA 9/5/2006 - Joran VD SLOOT

Okay, here's my SECOND try at this. I do hope another form reply doesn't come back.

The message board for the referenced show appears to be blocking many would-be comments coming from the Southeast USA.

Meanwhile, the message board is accepting comments from Aruba tourism shills, even those that trash a victim's entire family AND country.

By the Numbers:

1. The actual VICTIM, Natalee Holloway, is from Alabama, a Southeastern United State.

2. Joran is NOT a victim. He is Aruba's reigning celebrity.

3. It is the US tourists who are upset that he is frolicing among them.

4. Joran didn't tell just one lie about the night Miss Holloway disappeared. First it was the Holiday Inn dropoff. Then it was Deepak took him home; then it was Deepak went back and raped, killed, and buried Natalee near the Fisherman Huts. Then Joran said he left Natalee on the beach and walked home, presumably barefoot. His father Paulus said he picked JORAN up. All of Joran's statements, and his father's, were signed. Why in the world doesn't anyone ask him about his multliple lies? Chris Cuomo asked him the same question everyone else on TV has asked him, and accepted the same stock answer. Joran's attorney writes the script for his appearances?

You can read the statements here:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6

5. The "one girlfriend he's been with for six months" - Wonder if she knows why Joran can't go back to Bahia (sp?) - a local bar? He was banned for sexual exploits in the bathroom ... and not with her ... you can see how heavily this missing person case is weighing on him.

I did notice, however, that JVDS hopes the real killer is found. It is only a grudging, recent, concession from Aruba that Natalee Holloway might be dead. Wonder how come Joran is so sure?

Whatever happened to an actual Investigative Report? I guess the crew had a fine time on Aruba.

If you want to do an actual investigation - a new twist on this story - read through this topic at the same web site referenced above:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188&start=0

Meanwhile - you have merely tried to assist Aruba's flagging tourist economy.

Thank you for your time.

< msmarple redacts name, contact info .

What a great message!  Taco always refers to urine as a "young kid".  That really irks me!  Like "young = innocent?  barf

[Peaches]

Make a joyful noise!!!

COCHESE welcome back!!!!!!!!!!

Good morning!  

Jac.... love this pic!

[Jacqueline]

Make a joyful noise!!!

COCHESE welcome back!!!!!!!!!!

Good morning!  

Jac.... love this pic!

Hey Peaches !! Good morning to ya!

I came across this pic and I loved it too!!!!!!!!!!!

Especially the chimp in the middle....
Singing her little heart out!  LOL

Good morning to everyone!

[Leslie]

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

[Buckeye]

Have been reading through old sites.  Came across this description of money laundering.  Best I've heard.  Early reports were Natalee left with a drug dealer...maybe...or maybe a drug money launderer...hmmm

Bscenario.....

I'm a drug dealer with a wad of dirty cash......you abd a dozen other street-urchins each go to the casino and lose 10k of my cash to a certain dealer in a certain "casino floor apartment". In return I will pay each of you 200 dollars for an hours work.

moral.....for 2400 bucks, I have cleaned 120k halfway......now, when I go to the "casino floor apartment" and WIN 120k dollars, I tip the dealer. By the way, Mr Casino-owner.....please give me the 120k as a clean certified check, as I cannot travel with that much cash.

simple as that.

And aruba thrives on it.

[Kimmy53]

Good Morning Monkeys!!

And, Jacq - I must say that picture is priceless!  Makes me laugh and I need that!!

Buckeye - that description you gave makes alot of sense in the way many believe the "pimps" make spending money.

Will be doing alot of lurking and (gag) working!

[Peaches]

So did anyone watch GMA this morning?  I thought Greasy Joe and this zit-ridden client were supposed to be on.  

I can't find the video on the GMA site.  Maybe they decided to shut up and stay home.

[terryd270]

Just stopping in to say Hi!  I have to fixed the water filter outside, its leaking and needs some new parts..  I wish Beth would write a book on her journal entries..  I hate to rely on the Dutch to do anything positive on this case..  The boycott is working but if you read the other sites they tell us that they are doing great if you believe BigFish..  So when the workers in Aruba that are doing so well get laid off, they can asked Bigfish where the jobs and new construction is..  I find it hard to believe that honest investors would consider investing on that island with all the stuff we have uncovered..  Is there really that many stupid people in the world?  Have a good day..

[klaasend]

Posted by Viet Vet just now in the fp area:

Comment 115, you are very correct Mortella, Beth and the first group from Alabama arrived on the Monday, I was with the second group and we arrived on Wednesday at about 11AM. We were told by van der Stratten to check and shake down leads at crack houses, along with many other worthless leads. This was to keep us busy and not have us in the way of the coverup. We were also warned to not go after the 3 witnesses (J2K) and try to get information from them. He(van der Stratten)was not in uniform but I could see his pistol was in his pocket. Dennis Jacobs met with us later that day and said the same thing, shake down crack houses and the people there but lay off J2K. He also had his pistol in plain view although not in uniform. He and van der Stratten both claimed to not knowing where Joran was. When we found him the next day at the International School, the police started following us from then until we left the island. They knew very well what had happened to Natalee and only wanted to protect Joran and Paulus. The show of pistols was a warning from them that their intentions were to protect Joran. This is probably the reason the Dutch are bringing weapons, they know. Hindsight is 20/20, if all of us from Alabama had it to go over again, the case would have been solved the first week after Natalee went missing. Thanks monkeys, you have really been on this case. The more pressure, the more results. Great job. Justice will come and then maybe some peace for Beth and the whole family.



GOODMORNING ALL!

[Jacqueline]

Good Morning Monkeys!!

And, Jacq - I must say that picture is priceless!  Makes me laugh and I need that!!

Buckeye - that description you gave makes alot of sense in the way many believe the "pimps" make spending money.

Will be doing alot of lurking and (gag) working!

    Cute little DIVA chimps!

[terryd270]

Just fixed the water filter and it seems like everything is back to normal..  Klaasend whats the surf temp?

[mrs. red]

Good Morning Monkeys!!

And, Jacq - I must say that picture is priceless!  Makes me laugh and I need that!!

Buckeye - that description you gave makes alot of sense in the way many believe the "pimps" make spending money.

Will be doing alot of lurking and (gag) working!

    Cute little DIVA chimps!

Oh I can think of some DIVA that just spit and cuss....  

Klaasend thanks for bringing that FP post in here....

and GOOD MORNING y'all!!

[Kimmy53]

Posted by Viet Vet just now in the fp area:

Comment 115, you are very correct Mortella, Beth and the first group from Alabama arrived on the Monday, I was with the second group and we arrived on Wednesday at about 11AM. We were told by van der Stratten to check and shake down leads at crack houses, along with many other worthless leads. This was to keep us busy and not have us in the way of the coverup. We were also warned to not go after the 3 witnesses (J2K) and try to get information from them. He(van der Stratten)was not in uniform but I could see his pistol was in his pocket. Dennis Jacobs met with us later that day and said the same thing, shake down crack houses and the people there but lay off J2K. He also had his pistol in plain view although not in uniform. He and van der Stratten both claimed to not knowing where Joran was. When we found him the next day at the International School, the police started following us from then until we left the island. They knew very well what had happened to Natalee and only wanted to protect Joran and Paulus. The show of pistols was a warning from them that their intentions were to protect Joran. This is probably the reason the Dutch are bringing weapons, they know. Hindsight is 20/20, if all of us from Alabama had it to go over again, the case would have been solved the first week after Natalee went missing. Thanks monkeys, you have really been on this case. The more pressure, the more results. Great job. Justice will come and then maybe some peace for Beth and the whole family.



GOODMORNING ALL!

This convinces me all the more that there was a cover-up from DAY 1!!!!  They knew what happened to Natalee right away and it was on.  Of course VDS & Jaccobs wanted no one to try to contact J2K - the stories had not been perfected and there was still evidence to get rid of.  It is all such an INJUSTICE.  

I truly hope and pray this new Dutch team does some good.  I am so skeptical at this point.

[Jacqueline]

Good Morning Monkeys!!

And, Jacq - I must say that picture is priceless!  Makes me laugh and I need that!!

Buckeye - that description you gave makes alot of sense in the way many believe the "pimps" make spending money.

Will be doing alot of lurking and (gag) working!

    Cute little DIVA chimps!

Oh I can think of some DIVA that just spit and cuss....  

Klaasend thanks for bringing that FP post in here....

and GOOD MORNING y'all!!

These diva's are the Sistah Three.... +1

Mrs/Jacq/None....   + Angie, but she was out on Picture day!!

[Jacqueline]

Posted by Viet Vet just now in the fp area:

Comment 115, you are very correct Mortella, Beth and the first group from Alabama arrived on the Monday, I was with the second group and we arrived on Wednesday at about 11AM. We were told by van der Stratten to check and shake down leads at crack houses, along with many other worthless leads. This was to keep us busy and not have us in the way of the coverup. We were also warned to not go after the 3 witnesses (J2K) and try to get information from them. He(van der Stratten)was not in uniform but I could see his pistol was in his pocket. Dennis Jacobs met with us later that day and said the same thing, shake down crack houses and the people there but lay off J2K. He also had his pistol in plain view although not in uniform. He and van der Stratten both claimed to not knowing where Joran was. When we found him the next day at the International School, the police started following us from then until we left the island. They knew very well what had happened to Natalee and only wanted to protect Joran and Paulus. The show of pistols was a warning from them that their intentions were to protect Joran. This is probably the reason the Dutch are bringing weapons, they know. Hindsight is 20/20, if all of us from Alabama had it to go over again, the case would have been solved the first week after Natalee went missing. Thanks monkeys, you have really been on this case. The more pressure, the more results. Great job. Justice will come and then maybe some peace for Beth and the whole family.



GOODMORNING ALL!

This convinces me all the more that there was a cover-up from DAY 1!!!!  They knew what happened to Natalee right away and it was on.  Of course VDS & Jaccobs wanted no one to try to contact J2K - the stories had not been perfected and there was still evidence to get rid of.  It is all such an INJUSTICE.  

I truly hope and pray this new Dutch team does some good.  I am so skeptical at this point.

This post is disturbing in so many ways...
Not only did they start cover up...but they are encouraging parents from another Country to "shake down" crack houses....

Can you imagine if an out of towner in NYC approached the Police and they told them to go search some crack houses????

[San]

Posted by Viet Vet just now in the fp area:

Comment 115, you are very correct Mortella, Beth and the first group from Alabama arrived on the Monday, I was with the second group and we arrived on Wednesday at about 11AM. We were told by van der Stratten to check and shake down leads at crack houses, along with many other worthless leads. This was to keep us busy and not have us in the way of the coverup. We were also warned to not go after the 3 witnesses (J2K) and try to get information from them. He(van der Stratten)was not in uniform but I could see his pistol was in his pocket. Dennis Jacobs met with us later that day and said the same thing, shake down crack houses and the people there but lay off J2K. He also had his pistol in plain view although not in uniform. He and van der Stratten both claimed to not knowing where Joran was. When we found him the next day at the International School, the police started following us from then until we left the island. They knew very well what had happened to Natalee and only wanted to protect Joran and Paulus. The show of pistols was a warning from them that their intentions were to protect Joran. This is probably the reason the Dutch are bringing weapons, they know. Hindsight is 20/20, if all of us from Alabama had it to go over again, the case would have been solved the first week after Natalee went missing. Thanks monkeys, you have really been on this case. The more pressure, the more results. Great job. Justice will come and then maybe some peace for Beth and the whole family.

GOODMORNING ALL!

They seemed more concerned about protectig Joran and Paulus than the Kalpoes.  Van der Straaten and Jacobs should be brought up on charges for not doing their job.

[klaasend]

Just fixed the water filter and it seems like everything is back to normal..  Klaasend whats the surf temp?

Wave Size   1-3 feet
 
Wave Rating   Poor to Fair
 
Ocean Surface   Lightly textured
 
Water Temp   67 F.
 
Tides   -0.8' at 2:25 AM
4.8' at 8:49 AM
1.8' at 1:57 PM
7' at 8:07 PM
 
 
Wave Direction & Period   Mostly local windswell out of the West at 7 seconds.