Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 - 2/25/10

[Lifesong]

The new york IP is Star___ K. aka mrs kub
The Willingboro, NJ IP  is SusanESmithphotobucket.com aka SS aka SES
Norcross Georgia is IP Br___ T_____ aka Destiny

Thanks, Kermit!  That helps me some.  I'm still guessing, from what I've read, that Bastibro was actually in Aruba not in the Netherlands as he'd said...Which means Bastibro *could* be the witness or ????  Purcell?

[Kermit]

Your interview with Larry King went GREAT last night!

Carpe,
You captured my best side.
 

[Blonde]

The new york IP is Star___ K. aka mrs kub
The Willingboro, NJ IP  is SusanESmithphotobucket.com aka SS aka SES
Norcross Georgia is IP Br___ T_____ aka Destiny

Thanks, Kermit!  That helps me some.  I'm still guessing, from what I've read, that Bastibro was actually in Aruba not in the Netherlands as he'd said...Which means Bastibro *could* be the witness or ????  Purcell?

all of the IP addresses I have tracked for MIP6:
 204.212.125.119 -
204.212.125.162
206.48.101.117 - Oranjestad, Aruba
199.0.84.54 - Untraceable
206.48.20.163 - Oranjestad, Aruba

[Kermit]

Whoooooooo ME????




Hiya Kermie~~~~

 

I been busy Mister Carpe

[Kermit]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

Her butt is on backwards perhaps.
just saying....

[Rob]

I believe it was Clyde Burke posting at CnG, I can't prove it, it's just my belief based on what I have read and discerned from all the info ...

Rob!  I'm glad your back...I had a question for you, but now I have two!   

Do you think he was posting at CnG as Bastibro?

Also - back to the detective  and his "brother" with the latitude - I'd thought that Kyle said that he was brown-skinned but not black and I thought Clyde Burke was black?

I don't know if he was posting as Basti... I really don't, but I can share something with you. Remember all the way back when simian appeared. Well, that was Armin Solongier. But here's the kicker, Armin only admitted making "SOME" posts as simian - not all.

Then Klaas and Grande found that Clyde Burke was posting as simian - so somewhere along the line Clyde had others set up accounts for him. I KNOW it sounds strange, but I believe this is what happened 110%.. see, he couldn't access the accounts without the passwords. So, someone sets them up and then turns them over to him. The very fact that a password is needed and set-up by the originator of the posting account says alot if you ask me. Armin had a Mac... I wonder if Clyde had one too.. I have no idea.

Clyde also would have had the technology to ping Shango.

Clyde is dark skinned IIRC and I have no idea about a REAL brother or someone posing as a brother. I really don't know much about all that. I'm sorry. I do remember Kyle saying that the person was lighter skinned.

[Kermit]

I believe it was Clyde Burke posting at CnG, I can't prove it, it's just my belief based on what I have read and discerned from all the info ...

Rob!  I'm glad your back...I had a question for you, but now I have two!   

Do you think he was posting at CnG as Bastibro?

Also - back to the detective  and his "brother" with the latitude - I'd thought that Kyle said that he was brown-skinned but not black and I thought Clyde Burke was black?

I don't know if he was posting as Basti... I really don't, but I can share something with you. Remember all the way back when simian appeared. Well, that was Armin Solongier. But here's the kicker, Armin only admitted making "SOME" posts as simian - not all.

Then Klaas and Grande found that Clyde Burke was posting as simian - so somewhere along the line Clyde had others set up accounts for him. I KNOW it sounds strange, but I believe this is what happened 110%.. see, he couldn't access the accounts without the passwords. So, someone sets them up and then turns them over to him. The very fact that a password is needed and set-up by the originator of the posting account says alot if you ask me. Armin had a Mac... I wonder if Clyde had one too.. I have no idea.

Clyde also would have had the technology to ping Shango.

Clyde is dark skinned IIRC and I have no idea about a REAL brother or someone posing as a brother. I really don't know much about all that. I'm sorry. I do remember Kyle saying that the person was lighter skinned.

I wondered why sometimes Capslockwizard aka RV logged in using a MAC computer.

[Rob]

I wondered why sometimes Capslockwizard aka RV logged in using a MAC computer.

interesting - you said they had four computers right?

[klaasend]

I wondered why sometimes Capslockwizard aka RV logged in using a MAC computer.

interesting - you said they had four computers right?

Rob    I know where you are going with this line of questioning 

[klaasend]

FWIW - it was when Capslock admitted that Clyde Burke was a "friend" of his that I knew I had been had be Capslock. 

[Kermit]

I wondered why sometimes Capslockwizard aka RV logged in using a MAC computer.

interesting - you said they had four computers right?

yes

[Lifesong]

I believe it was Clyde Burke posting at CnG, I can't prove it, it's just my belief based on what I have read and discerned from all the info ...

Rob!  I'm glad your back...I had a question for you, but now I have two!   

Do you think he was posting at CnG as Bastibro?

Also - back to the detective  and his "brother" with the latitude - I'd thought that Kyle said that he was brown-skinned but not black and I thought Clyde Burke was black?

I don't know if he was posting as Basti... I really don't, but I can share something with you. Remember all the way back when simian appeared. Well, that was Armin Solongier. But here's the kicker, Armin only admitted making "SOME" posts as simian - not all.

Then Klaas and Grande found that Clyde Burke was posting as simian - so somewhere along the line Clyde had others set up accounts for him. I KNOW it sounds strange, but I believe this is what happened 110%.. see, he couldn't access the accounts without the passwords. So, someone sets them up and then turns them over to him. The very fact that a password is needed and set-up by the originator of the posting account says alot if you ask me. Armin had a Mac... I wonder if Clyde had one too.. I have no idea.

Clyde also would have had the technology to ping Shango.

Clyde is dark skinned IIRC and I have no idea about a REAL brother or someone posing as a brother. I really don't know much about all that. I'm sorry. I do remember Kyle saying that the person was lighter skinned.

Thanks, Rob.  I did know that Klaas had determined Clyde to be simian, but that's about all I knew. 

[Magnolia]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It has been her "job" since the beginning to spread misinformation and to
protect the Sloots.

But why?  It makes you wonder if she's covering her tracks about something.

She did make one totally creepy post at RU once upon a time that said something about how traumatized those boys would have been from having to handle cold, death flesh.


 


I didn't save it or anything like that but others saw it at the time as well.  Totally creepy.

Also she used to publish that free advertiser type rag of a news supplement that was full of ads for massage parlors and escorts, including male ones and you may recall Patrick van der Eem saying Dolphi Richardson said Joran was a male prostiture at times.  I have thought maybe all the pimps were given their propensity for "modeling" positions and such when they are obviously not model material.  Perhaps she has some interest in that aspect?  Dunno. . . .

Oh I remember that well.  Yes that was creepy alright.  She just has always struck me as having an unusal personal interest surpassing tourist issues, IMO.       And wasn't there supposed to have been a strange call to Natalee's room about a spa/massage appointment that the girls didn't know anything about?

Yes, someone had called their room and said it was time for Rosemary's massge or spa appointment, can't remember which now.  There was no one with that name starying in the room where Natalee was assigned.

More strangeness.

THURSDAY- MONDAY

Lee and Natalee's daily routine is to get a drink and go to the ocean at 10:00 am, return to their room for naps at 5:00 pm, get ready for dinner at 6:00 pm, and then after dinner go out to bars together (Broughton 302).

Croupier Micheal Cornes observes that Natalee comes to the HI casino every day, where she drinks rum the entire evening. She always recieves a full cup of rum with only a bit of cola (DZNH).

Natalee shares a bed with Ruth. Every morning when Ruth wakes up she sees Natalee beside her, except for Monday (NY Post 7/17/05)


A male classmate, Hunter Williams, takes naps in Natalee's hotel room, and Lee later tells the FBI that he might have stayed in the room with them one night, but doesn't think he would have used Natalee's toothbrush (DZNH, p. 333).

Madison and other girls tease Natalee about wearing a short skirt, which is unlike her. Madison believes Natalee to be a virgin, who would not let boys touch her or kiss with boys (DZNH).

Days before Natalee's disappearance, a cab driver takes an intoxicated girl, whom the driver later identifies as Natalee, back to her hotel. During the ride the driver hears the girl telling her friends she is "in love" with a Dutch boy (ABC 4/24/06).

While Natalee is drunk, she tells a classmate she wants to see sharks, and asks a cab driver if you could see sharks near the lighthouse (DZNH, p. 223).
Natalee tells a classmate that her mother is "Hitler's sister" (DZNH, PTL).

A weird message is left on the phone in Natalee's hotel room, by a woman saying that 'Rosemary' is scheduled for a massage off the hotel property (Whatley 302)

Hi Blonde 

Remember the cab driver that reported about Natalee being in love with the Dutch Marine was an employee
of Bondia newspaper with Renfro and her father owned the cab.  (I  don't think she ever drove the cab)
More Renfro lies!

[carpe noctem]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It is her job. That is all she does.

[Magnolia]

Renfro is saying (over at RU) that the pond of interest in this confession is
across from the Mill Resort near the Westin.

That is nowhere near the Marriott that the recent reports are saying.  Renfro is trying to say it's the Bird Sanctuary and not the pond where the gardner witness saw Deepak's car (the pond near the Marriott).

The question is why is Renfro steering everyone in the wrong direction?

It is her job. That is all she does.

Right, Carpe! And directly related to the money that the IRS is looking for.

[Rob]

FWIW - it was when Capslock admitted that Clyde Burke was a "friend" of his that I knew I had been had be Capslock. 

right - hence the broken English, boolean logic and the typing skills of Fred Flintstone - that was 

and then the linear thoughts, impressive typing skills, and redirection - that was Clyde Burke.

[Rob]

FWIW - it was when Capslock admitted that Clyde Burke was a "friend" of his that I knew I had been had be Capslock. 

right - hence the broken English, boolean logic and the typing skills of Fred Flintstone - that was 

and then the linear thoughts, impressive typing skills, and redirection - that was Clyde Burke.

here's how it looks to me -

Burke kept redirecting, but he needed an idiot that would help him with his next endeavor. He used Armin and I'm sure others along the way - he has been doing this for almost five years.

He found a "computer analyst my ass" that filled the point. And he teamed up with Kawish and a few others that spun IPs and computers and made it hard to all track down.

Only a egomaniac leaves a trail of his searches that include himself. 

[Northern Rose]

UPDATE ARUBA - Joran van der Sloot has in recent months a completely different confession on his part in the case of the missing American Natalee Holloway, writes De Telegraaf.

This confirms Chief Prosecutor in Aruba, Mr. Peter Blanken. According to Van der Sloot is the body hidden in a swamp of Holloway in Aruba. Whites say that the confession has led to new research. "But soon it became clear that this statement of lies and fantasy hangs together.''

Van der Sloot, who still fears persecution, this statement is even more unstable and an incredible figure. He made his confession to the new cameras from the German RTL. This week another interview scheduled with him, this time in Frankfurt. The makers may hope that by the death of his father's "frank" and will play with more details.

Van der Sloot in the Netherlands has recently returned. He was certainly last week attended the funeral of his father, who in Aruba died from cardiac arrest during a game of tennis. The Aruban former judge Paul van der Sloot was cremated in Arnhem.

Joran claims his confession that the new body of Holloway never been dumped into the sea, as he said earlier during an undercover operation by crime journalist Peter R. de Vries. The body of the girl would now be "hidden" in a swamp on Aruba. According to Chief Whites, this new confession led to renewed research. "But it soon became clear that this statement of lies and fantasy hangs together. Times are wrong, said witnesses deny. If he really wanted to tell the truth, Joran had called the exact spot," said Whites.

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/465411/2010/02/23/Joran-van-der-Sloot-bekent-weer.dhtml

UPDATE  ARUBA - Joran van der Sloot heeft afgelopen maanden een compleet andere bekentenis afgelegd over zijn aandeel in de verdwijningszaak rond de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway, schrijft De Telegraaf.

Dat bevestigt hoofdofficier van justitie op Aruba, mr. Peter Blanken. Volgens Van der Sloot is het lichaam van Holloway verstopt in een moeras op Aruba. Blanken zegt dat de bekentenis aanleiding is geweest voor nieuw onderzoek. ,,Maar al snel werd duidelijk dat deze verklaring van leugens en fantasie aan elkaar hangt.''

Van der Sloot, die nog altijd vervolging vreest, wordt met deze verklaring nog meer een ongeloofwaardig en labiel figuur. Hij deed zijn nieuwe bekentenis voor de camera's van de Duitse RTL. Deze week staat opnieuw een interview met hem gepland, ditmaal in Frankfurt. De makers hopen mogelijk dat hij door de dood van zijn vader 'open kaart' zal spelen en komt met nadere details.

Van der Sloot is sinds kort weer in Nederland. Hij was in elk geval vorige week aanwezig bij de begrafenis van zijn vader, die op Aruba aan een hartstilstand bezweek tijdens een partijtje tennis. De Arubaanse ex-rechter Paul van der Sloot werd gecremeerd in Arnhem.

Joran stelt in zijn nieuwe bekentenis dat het lichaam van Holloway nooit in zee is gedumpt, zoals hij eerder verklaarde tijdens een undercoveroperatie van misdaadjournalist Peter R. de Vries. Het lijk van het meisje zou nu zijn 'verstopt' in een moeras op Aruba. Volgens hoofdofficier Blanken is deze nieuwe bekentenis aanleiding geweest voor hernieuwd onderzoek. "Maar al snel werd duidelijk dat deze verklaring van leugens en fantasie aan elkaar hangt. Tijdstippen kloppen niet, genoemde getuigen ontkennen. Als hij echt de waarheid wilde vertellen, had Joran de precieze plek genoemd", meent Blanken.
23/02/10 11u42

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_69143.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Confession Joran still broadcast

February 24, 2010, 12:55 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The program that main suspect Joran van der Sloot confession a new account for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005, is Sunday on Dutch television channel RTL 5 broadcast. At first, no TV station's program-makers 'Terror Jaap' now.

Program Director of RTL5, Remko van Westerloo said: "It is our interview last year offered. Our first reaction was skeptical. However, we found that the interview gave rise to thorough investigation. We have spoken with several experts and with the appropriate critics. There is a remarkable special from which we emerged Sunday that the broadcast and viewers can form an opinion about. "

During this broadcast on Sunday, the findings from the study, the original interview with Joran and several follow-up interviews addressed.

During the program Terror Jaap Joran would also be put to the lie detector. The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba is not impressed by the professionalism of the company declined the polygraph, said Chief Peter Blanken. Even Peter R. de Vries Joran who elicited a confession, is not impressed.

[Northern Rose]

New developments on the case of Natalee Holloway

ARUBA - Natalee Holloway disappeared almost five years ago. Joran van der Sloot took off two years ago, hidden TV cameras, a confession. Now there are new developments.

A mysterious case without a corpse, a self-contradictory and suspect no clear track to great media attention: the case of Natalee Holloway has become the most spectacular criminal case in Dutch history.

The then 18-year-old Holloway was last American in May 2005 with five friends on vacation in Aruba. One evening she met the 17-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot met in a bar. They left the bar together. Since there is no trace of Holloway.

The young man then became embroiled in a web of lies, told different versions about the course of the evening. 2008 van der Sloot then placed against hidden from television cameras a confession. Although he then described the terrible act like a pompous ass, many questions remained unanswered: What was the cause for the death of Natalee and where her body? Is it true that she was thrown into the sea? Was it really only a perpetrator?

New ideas

Now, writes the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that Joran van der Sloot in recent statements, his role in the disappearance of Holloway's totally different description. This was confirmed by Aruba's chief prosecutor Peter Blanken. In an interview with RTL van der Sloot said that Holloway's body would be buried in the morass of Aruba. Because of these new statements were introduced in Aruba, a new study.

"It was us, but quickly realized that this statement is the net of lies and fantasy, only larger. The dates are wrong. The witnesses, whom he called undeniable. If he really wants to tell the truth, he would have called us the right place "said the chief prosecutor.

http://www.dnews.de/nachrichten/panorama/184733/neue-entwicklungen-fall-natalee-holloway.html

Natalee Holloway
Veröffentlicht: 23 Februar 2010 10:02
Verändert : 23 Februar 2010 11:07

ARUBA - Natalee Holloway verschwand vor fast fünf Jahren. Joran van der Sloot legte vor zwei Jahren vor versteckten TV-Kameras ein Geständnis ab. Nun gibt es neue Entwicklungen.

Ein mysteriöser Fall ohne Leiche, ein sich widersprechender Tatverdächtiger und keine eindeutige Spur, dafür große Medien-Aufmerksamkeit: der Fall Natalee Holloway ist mittlerweile zum spektakulärsten Kriminalfall in der niederländischen Geschichte geworden.

Die damals 18-jährige US-Amerikanerin Holloway machte im Mai 2005 mit fünf Freunden Urlaub auf Aruba. Eines Abends lernte sie den 17-jährigen Niederländer Joran van der Sloot in einer Bar kennen. Sie verließen die Bar zusammen. Seitdem gibt es keine Spur mehr von Holloway.

Der junge Mann verstrickte sich danach in ein Netz von Lügen, erzählte verschiedene Versionen über den Ablauf des Abends. 2008 legte van der Sloot dann vor versteckten Fernsehkameras ein Geständnis ab. Obwohl er damals die schreckliche Tat wie ein Wichtigtuer beschrieb, blieben viele Fragen offen: Was war die Ursache für den Tod Natalees und wo ist ihre Leiche? Stimmt es, dass sie ins Meer geworfen wurde? War es wirklich nur ein Täter?

Neue Aussagen

Nun schreibt die niederländische Zeitung De Telegraaf, dass Joran van der Sloot in jüngsten Aussagen seine Rolle im Verschwinden Holloways völlig anders beschreibt. Dies bestätigte der Oberstaatsanwalt Arubas Peter Blanken. In einem Interview mit RTL erzählte van der Sloot, dass Holloways Leiche im Morast von Aruba begraben läge. Aufgrund dieser neuen Aussagen wurde auf Aruba eine neue Untersuchung eingeleitet.

"Es wurde uns aber schnell klar, dass diese Aussage das Netz von Lügen und Fantasie nur noch vergrößerte. Die Zeitpunkte stimmen nicht. Die Zeugen, die er nannte, leugnen. Wenn er echt die Wahrheit erzählen will, hätte er uns den richtigen Ort genannt“, erklärt der Oberstaatsanwalt.