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Lively Case Discussion #535 10/22 - 10/23/2006
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Reply #280 on:
October 23, 2006, 11:07:59 AM »
Quote from: "mrs. red"
Well I think she uses the term boy or "delicious sporter" to show her child is just that a child...
notice one stinky island refers to Natalee consistently as a young woman....
so a woman and children.....
semantics... and they suck!!
then throw in a little papiamento just to confuse it a bit more u know?
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BBL...Keep the faith Monkeys...
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Quote from: "San"
FROM PAULUS 6/23/05 STATEMENT
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There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work. I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.
Notice how Paulus specifically mentions which bank he went to. When I go to the bank and I usually tell someone I just say I have to stop at the bank. Paulus makes it a point to specifically mention which bank.
I bet this isn't even the bank Paulus went to.
Next statement also seems contradictory:
To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping
or going anywhere else, I can state the following.
I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank
.
At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF.
At the bank I deposited the
money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in
the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately
500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he
had taken over my place in the tournament.
[/b]
Paulus is stating he deposited $ Joran 'said' he won on 5/29/05, which was approx. 500 Aruban guilders....then he says Joran gave him 100 guilders...which is it 500 or 100?
He can't remember if it was the only stop, but he mentions talking to Ruth Dijkhoff, which he had no problem remembering, and it's another detail like mentioning what bank that just doesn't fit the question...
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October 23, 2006, 11:28:13 AM »
Quote from: "2NJSons_Mom"
Quote from: "San"
FROM PAULUS 6/23/05 STATEMENT
:
There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work. I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.
Notice how Paulus specifically mentions which bank he went to. When I go to the bank and I usually tell someone I just say I have to stop at the bank. Paulus makes it a point to specifically mention which bank.
I bet this isn't even the bank Paulus went to.
Next statement also seems contradictory:
To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping
or going anywhere else, I can state the following.
I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank
.
At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF.
At the bank I deposited the
money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in
the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately
500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he
had taken over my place in the tournament.
[/b]
Paulus is stating he deposited $ Joran 'said' he won on 5/29/05, which was approx. 500 Aruban guilders....then he says Joran gave him 100 guilders...which is it 500 or 100?
He can't remember if it was the only stop, but he mentions talking to Ruth Dijkhoff, which he had no problem remembering, and it's another detail like mentioning what bank that just doesn't fit the question...
Exactly. It's like he is writing the script as he goes.
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October 23, 2006, 11:31:25 AM »
Quote from: "robots"
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students.
You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.
geeeesh anita, did you notice anything about the incessant TELLING of LIES, stealing, drinking by the barrel, sneaking out at night, killing dogs
huh ??
did ya ??
huh ???
how about that, any of that catch your EYE ??
what a load of BS
Not sure if it is this interview or another one but at some point Greta asked Anita if Joran ever does drugs, drinks. . . . and this was Anita's reply. It specifically included DRINKING and Anita denied that her Delicious Sporter who gives her THICK KISSES does either.
I have gone back and checked this a dozen times to be sure the question included DRINKING because I could not believe even Anita the Bra would lie so brazenly.
She did.
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October 23, 2006, 11:33:23 AM »
Hi, FOM,
This is for you!
LOL!
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October 23, 2006, 11:36:28 AM »
Another trick Greta used was the two part interveiw. She would air it in two parts and now sometimes only one part is available in the transcripts.
If these were not taken from originals, I could swear she had Dan Rhieled the Sporter interview cause so many of us thought that was where Joran said he picked Paulus up at the airport.
We all got that idea somewhere, so let's just keep an eye out for it and hope we eventually get ot the bottom of that one.
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October 23, 2006, 11:43:21 AM »
I tend to think the first trip to the bank included running Sporter by the school or picking him up from there because he was still drunk and babbling about Natalee hitting her head.
You are both right, Paulus sure can't add! He makes no mention of where the rest of the money came from and ALE conveniently never asks any kind of follow up especially from Paulus who was the boss of them to a certain degree through his pal Rudy Croes.
Why would over a dozen adults have taken off in search of one kid? We don't do it that way around here even if it is something as simple as hand me the remote control to the TV. If any steps are taken, they are taken by the underling and that would be the kid. And it was a school night and Joran should have been in bed anyway and yet they all leave in search of him. What did he and Deepak put in the car while Paulus had the Alabama Delegation away from the house? Is that why they were leaning on the car, to protect the contents in the event any of them got the idea to search?
Why did they not call Satish to participate in the conversation as well? After all, he was along, right? Why did the cops not go retrieve him as well?
I guess the answer to all that would be Paulus wouldn't let us as KJ is so fond of saying.
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October 23, 2006, 11:54:58 AM »
Front Page post:
All is not Well in Paradise, Now Aruba upset with The Netherlands: “The relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba is currently so bad …”
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/10/23/all-is-not-well-in-paradise-now-aruba-upset-with-the-netherlands-the-relationship-between-the-netherlands-and-aruba-is-currently-so-bad/
But according to Oduber, Aruba has lost confidence in the Netherlands, now that this country has made the island’s financial loans conditional. It is so, that Aruba can no longer take out loans just like that.
So then it should come as no surprise to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber or any other Aruban officials why the United States tourism community has lost confidence in Aruba. Turn about is fair play Mr. Oduber.
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October 23, 2006, 11:57:30 AM »
It is blatantly obvious that Paulus' has selective memory. This is a very long statement and he in most parts claims " I cannot remember exactly ...It is possible but I cannot remember, I cannot remember but I think... I at least cannot
remember, I cannot exactly remember ... I
cannot exactly remember anymore. (LMAO) His own words....THEN when he starts in re: Natalee's part of the interview, he seems to ramble on like he remembers everything.....every detail. This is very telling'...and in my opinion suggests malice. How on earth can anyone read this and not see malice, in some form>??
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October 23, 2006, 11:59:07 AM »
Quote from: "Anna"
Another trick Greta used was the two part interveiw.
She would air it in two parts and now sometimes only one part is available in the transcripts.
If these were not taken from originals, I could swear she had Dan Rhieled the Sporter interview cause so many of us thought that was where Joran said he picked Paulus up at the airport.
We all got that idea somewhere, so let's just keep an eye out for it and hope we eventually get ot the bottom of that one.
Good point, Anna, because last night I could only find one and believe it was part 2. Will have to keep looking.
Also, it's exasperating to read the statements and see what is recalled and what is not. Could be deemed as selective memory....but, I believe Joran made some comment about his father's memory or ability to stick to details....do you remember something like that?
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ANITA the bra
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Quote from: "Anna"
Another trick Greta used was the two part interveiw.
She would air it in two parts and now sometimes only one part is available in the transcripts.
If these were not taken from originals, I could swear she had Dan Rhieled the Sporter interview cause so many of us thought that was where Joran said he picked Paulus up at the airport.
We all got that idea somewhere, so let's just keep an eye out for it and hope we eventually get ot the bottom of that one.
Good point, Anna, because last night I could only find one and believe it was part 2. Will have to keep looking.
Also, it's exasperating to read the statements and see what is recalled and what is not. Could be deemed as selective memory....but, I believe Joran made some comment about his father's memory or ability to stick to details....do you remember something like that?
joran did say that, you are correct
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October 23, 2006, 12:02:50 PM »
Florins VS Guilders VS Dollars
PVDS Statement: "...At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the tournament..."
Dutch Currency = Guilder. Subsumed as part of transfer to Euro based system. Last avail exchange rate I can find is 1 Guilder = 0.57 US Dollars.
Aruban Local Currency = Florin (AWG). Sometimes called a "guilder". Current exchange rate is 1 Florin = 0.57 US Dollars.
Almost exactly the same "value" here. 500 "guilder" deposit is approximately $285 in US equivalent currency.
Now where does this money come from, per pvds? He says that jvds gave him 500 guilders, joran's "winnings" from poker. AND, that joran also gave Paulus 100 guilders because of the claimed seat switch at tournament.
1. So, did pvds deposit this money into joran's account at bank? Or his own, Or the family account?
2. Based on 500 guilder deposit, less the 100 guilder already given to pvds by joran, do we assume therefore that poker winning totalled 400 guilders or approx $228?
3. How do you think the casinos pay out winnings? In hard currency, or local currency? I would guess the hotel has a foreign exchange window, yes?
4. Why drive to Noord (from his office, I suppose in Orangstead) to make a measly deposit like this?
5. While we have never confirmed any WITHDRAWALS 5/29 - 5/30, here we have two attempts at DEPOSITS, and for a relatively small amount of money (hell, the sneakers jvds wears cost $100).
I have never heard any commentary on WHAT KIND of currency Natalee was carrying when she went to C&C's on 5/29, and have always guessed and have heard others speculate that she likely had about $50 - $75 US dollars on her person.
So, if you're Paulus, what do you do with a dead girl's money?
Do you take her cash, go to a store, transfer the US currency into local coin, grab a bunch of guilders, put it all together, and make a deposit at the family bank? Or do you burn it? Or do you flush it down the toilet? Well, I think you do what you are comfortable doing, and in Paulus' case, that's moving money around.
Long ago I indicated that the $100 (or possibly $50) Natalee was given by Beth prior to trip was likely traceable because she gave Natalee bank issued wrapped money (single US dollars for tips) that were
NEW
. And new bills are issued in serial format.
I think Paulus is washing Natalee's money here, and that's WHY he HAD TO GET TO THE BANK on Monday May 30.
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Aruba is no longer called ARUBA
simply refer to it as TOILET
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Amanda PORTOCARRERO (maid) 7/28/2005 Statement
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born at Narino in Columbia
on August 5,1976, of profession living maid (servant) and living Monserat xxxxxxxxx on Aruba. The woman A.Y.GRUESO PORTOCARRERO aforementioned explained:
- that she knows nothing of
an illegal Colombian maid
(servant) working at the VDS house.
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that nobody told her that a maid said that she saw, in the early morning hours of Monday, May 30, 2005 clothing of Joran Van Der Sloot’s with white sand on/under them
. [/list]
MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (MAID) 08/11/05 Statement
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I have worked ( 8 ) years at family Van Der Sloot. I work as from Monday up to and including Friday for them. I do not work on Saturday and Sunday at family Van Der Sloot. I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot. With family VDS, I mean the parents of the detained man "Joran Van Der Sloot". (meaning the suspect "Joran Van Der Sloot"; observation JACOBS).
On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following:
I work on Monday from
08.00 till 12.00
.
I work on Tuesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Wednesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Thursday from 13.30 till 15.30
and I work on Friday from 13.30 till 17.30 at family Van Der Sloot
As you can see I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot with exception of Thursday because then I work only two (2) hours. [/list]
This maids hours are different only on that Monday Morning. Joran and Paulus were home. Was she helping them clean the mess that Joran made. Was there a different maid there helping? I think this mail is one fat liar just like her employer.
I think that Amanda PORTOCARRERO is the missing maid. They are trying to say she is the woman who heard another maid say she saw sand under Joran's clothes. This is the actual missing maid. JMO.
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October 23, 2006, 12:19:28 PM »
Oh......I also wanted to mention that as I surfed channels on TV over the weekend, that court TV and the Oxygen channel were promoting Aruba as a vacation destination. If this has been discussed here and I missed it.....sorry...I have to mention it. They are promoting Aruba.com in the commercials, big time. Makes me sick.
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Hi All-
As for Anita just think back to the video of her heading to LaGuardia to protect the sporter post him being served by Bo Dietl, that raging mad momma scene proved to me that she was never a victim nor a martyr in this - she would go for the jugular of anyone who dared to touch her delicious boy. Do any of you ever wonder what indiscretions she may have held over Paulus' head to ensure he did break all the rules to protect delicious son? I have....she also is quite the elitist. Her posted profile at the International School was very telling also, few teachers would have the nerve to state they want to be a "spiritual leader" with no credentials as she did. They may be more esoteric and new age, but that's still a fair amount of ego display on her part.
As for oxygen and CTV running ads, I write my emails of protest consistently with no responses back, but I also SMILE to think of the cost of that TV air time to Aruba and the ATA. It ain't cheap and so I hope it's hurting their pocketbooks !
O/T I found this and wanted to post it for Terry........sort of looks like him to me
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I was reading over old transcripts of Greta's interview with Joran and I came across this:
This is something that shouldn’t be done through the media this is something that you know I have always said and
I’ve said it to ABC too but they never put it in their piece that if Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway said Joran I want to come to Holland to talk to you I mean I would invite them into my house and answer any questions they would have
I mean I would understand if they were mad at me I could understand if they hate me, they despise me I understanding that all.[/list]
Liar.
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Just stopping by for a quickie post...(don't get any ideas Carnut).
Bondia is the person that hammered home the idea that PVDS was gone the week before to Curacao. I remember the conversation I had with her about it, although I think it was on PM's at the time. So maybe in real life there is a transcript of Julia making the statement. I also remember Marrianne Croes on television speaking of his being on Curacao. Or wait, was it Tito? We need our archives.
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===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
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===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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