Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08

[Lala'sMom]

I think it's much simpler...she died from being drugged.  The devil is in the details.

[SS]

From one of the links Rob provided. WOW

Below is the list of property, which Roman Abramovich may share with his ex-wife Irina:

Six-storied mansion in London’s Knightsbridge - $51 million;
Penthouse in London’s Kensington - $54 million;
Five-storied mansion in London’s Belgravia - $20 million;
Toprak Mansion in London with a park (8,000m2) - $93 million;
Fyning Hill estate in British county Western Sussex (440 acres of land) - $33.6 million;
Mansion in St.Tropez, France - $18 million;
Castle in France - $30 million;
Eden Rock Hotel in Cannes - $1 billion;
Villa in the Moscow region - $16 million;
Boeing 767 plane - $120 million;
Business class Boeing plane - $60 million;
Two helicopters - $70 million each;
Pelorus yacht complete with bullet-proof windows, a submarine and anti-missile system - $150 million;
Extasea yacht with a pool and Turkish bath - $140 million;
Le Grand Blue yacht outfitted with a helipad - $120 million;
Chelsea football club - $261 million.

Komsomolskaya Pravda

I just can't see him having any interest in Urine and the 17 year old dirtbags.  He has much bigger fish to fry.

[Observer]

I don't want to sound dumb...but is 2-3 gr. of cocaine a lot to do in a day??  I have no idea how much an addict uses.  What would be the price per day??

That amount would be used by the heaviest of cocaine addicts. Thats like $150-200 a day but obviously he is buying in big amounts,especially if he is sharing it with Joran and the whores they picked up together.

[casa]

Lorain, how can you even think that Charlierat post here?

[Rob]

Let me clarify my remark Karma. When I said shut down I didn't mean close, although I may have used that terminology before. When Mos shut down the case he put four telephone answerers on it, which of course is meaningless. The case was still open but not being investigated.

I tend to think this was Hans' plan all along, knowing with certainty he'd never get past Paulus' judge friends, but at least he could say he tried. It gave the Dutch system an out.

I agree with all of you that they won't close the case for the simple reason they don't want the Holloway family to get the case documents and expose all the corruption.

Hi Bro - hey let's say for a second that Mos did give it his all, and just couldn't get past Paulus' friends...let me ask you, as a professional, wouldn't this job be basically meaningless? Sure it pays nice, but for me, I need some type of ulterior reward.

How could anyone who was sworn to uphold the law just say - 'hey I gave it my best shot' and knowing what he knows even look at himself in the mirror?

In my humble opinion, that's the kind of attorney we could all do without, and he's no better than Carlo or Paulus.

Seems to me Rob that something about Aruba sucks the morals, ethics and drive right out of everybody that works for the government there. Maybe its the island mentality, or something more sinister like the drug and money laundering interests buying them all up. Nico Jorg's comments sure hit home. The island is just festered with corrupt good-old-boys totally ignoring the laws of land.

I first became suspect of Mos when it was revealed what a small amount of evidence he brought with him compared to the big talk coming out of his mouth. It didn't add up. There are reams of explosive documents supporting Joran's guilt and Hans brought in a lady finger. Then his lame attempt at explaining off the confession pretty much sealed it for me. He was almost taking the crooked judge's stance. He's just a prop for a failed system.

as Deetch would say ~ he was a buffah!

[Blue Moon]

The "Natalee was taken off island" people have long held she was bought for a rich dude.  I just don't see that...I can see some of Caps theories being more plausible.  I just can't bring myself to think about the sex slave angle...it just boggles my mind and makes my tummy ache too.

I think what happened to her was very close to what Joran said on tape happened to her. She died at the hands of a sociopathic teenager and her body was disposed of so he could get on with his "sporter" lifestyle.

And what better person to help him get on with his life than his FATHER?  "I would do anything for my son".

[Dayhiker]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
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This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate it when I'm right 

2 to 3 grams a day!  Patrick went a little "overboard" just trying to be "convincing" to Joran!  Maybe that's why his book is named "Overboard" cuz it's got nothing to do with Natalee! 

That is a lot of toot considering all he really needed was to load up his nose a couple of times to impress Joran. Doesn't take much to make an impression on that numnuts.

So we're finding out Joran was a businessman after all and such a good one that he'd bend over to please his customers! I assume he was on the receiving end because his photos in the Prive don't show him to have much to offer the other way around.

[Dayhiker]

Seems to me Rob that something about Aruba sucks the morals, ethics and drive right out of everybody that works for the government there. Maybe its the island mentality, or something more sinister like the drug and money laundering interests buying them all up. Nico Jorg's comments sure hit home. The island is just festered with corrupt good-old-boys totally ignoring the laws of land.

I first became suspect of Mos when it was revealed what a small amount of evidence he brought with him compared to the big talk coming out of his mouth. It didn't add up. There are reams of explosive documents supporting Joran's guilt and Hans brought in a lady finger. Then his lame attempt at explaining off the confession pretty much sealed it for me. He was almost taking the crooked judge's stance. He's just a prop for a failed system.

as Deetch would say ~ he was a buffah!

There ya go! Deetch does have a way with words. 

[Buckeye]

I don't want to sound dumb...but is 2-3 gr. of cocaine a lot to do in a day??  I have no idea how much an addict uses.  What would be the price per day??

That amount would be used by the heaviest of cocaine addicts. Thats like $150-200 a day but obviously he is buying in big amounts,especially if he is sharing it with Joran and the whores they picked up together.

 

[LoRain]

ROFL....

[Observer]

I just can't see him having any interest in Urine and the 17 year old dirtbags.  He has much bigger fish to fry.

He would have zero interest unless he has a fetish for young blonde virgins and judging by his wife and future wife I doubt that.

This guy is worth like 19 billion! He's huuuge!!
Roman Abramovich's Flotilla
http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/megayachts/roman-abramovich-flotilla/

[Lala'sMom]

Let me clarify my remark Karma. When I said shut down I didn't mean close, although I may have used that terminology before. When Mos shut down the case he put four telephone answerers on it, which of course is meaningless. The case was still open but not being investigated.

I tend to think this was Hans' plan all along, knowing with certainty he'd never get past Paulus' judge friends, but at least he could say he tried. It gave the Dutch system an out.

I agree with all of you that they won't close the case for the simple reason they don't want the Holloway family to get the case documents and expose all the corruption.

Hi Bro - hey let's say for a second that Mos did give it his all, and just couldn't get past Paulus' friends...let me ask you, as a professional, wouldn't this job be basically meaningless? Sure it pays nice, but for me, I need some type of ulterior reward.

How could anyone who was sworn to uphold the law just say - 'hey I gave it my best shot' and knowing what he knows even look at himself in the mirror?

In my humble opinion, that's the kind of attorney we could all do without, and he's no better than Carlo or Paulus.

Seems to me Rob that something about Aruba sucks the morals, ethics and drive right out of everybody that works for the government there. Maybe its the island mentality, or something more sinister like the drug and money laundering interests buying them all up. Nico Jorg's comments sure hit home. The island is just festered with corrupt good-old-boys totally ignoring the laws of land.

I first became suspect of Mos when it was revealed what a small amount of evidence he brought with him compared to the big talk coming out of his mouth. It didn't add up. There are reams of explosive documents supporting Joran's guilt and Hans brought in a lady finger. Then his lame attempt at explaining off the confession pretty much sealed it for me. He was almost taking the crooked judge's stance. He's just a prop for a failed system.

as Deetch would say ~ he was a buffah!

And today I learned Joran was a fluffah!  I am going to wash my pencils now.

[Rob]

From one of the links Rob provided. WOW

Below is the list of property, which Roman Abramovich may share with his ex-wife Irina:

Six-storied mansion in London’s Knightsbridge - $51 million;
Penthouse in London’s Kensington - $54 million;
Five-storied mansion in London’s Belgravia - $20 million;
Toprak Mansion in London with a park (8,000m2) - $93 million;
Fyning Hill estate in British county Western Sussex (440 acres of land) - $33.6 million;
Mansion in St.Tropez, France - $18 million;
Castle in France - $30 million;
Eden Rock Hotel in Cannes - $1 billion;
Villa in the Moscow region - $16 million;
Boeing 767 plane - $120 million;
Business class Boeing plane - $60 million;
Two helicopters - $70 million each;
Pelorus yacht complete with bullet-proof windows, a submarine and anti-missile system - $150 million;
Extasea yacht with a pool and Turkish bath - $140 million;
Le Grand Blue yacht outfitted with a helipad - $120 million;
Chelsea football club - $261 million.

Komsomolskaya Pravda

Sam - I kinda meant to tell everyone he has seriously upgraded since we first "discovered" him...

but didn't want to seem like a know it all 

[EURobert]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
---------------------------
This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate it when I'm right 

2 to 3 grams a day!  Patrick went a little "overboard" just trying to be "convincing" to Joran!  Maybe that's why his book is named "Overboard" cuz it's got nothing to do with Natalee! 

LMA0!! 

There's another piece to the cocaine use that we haven't touched on.  Now that it is out that both of them were heavily under the influence of cocaine, Joe Taco can now claim that video can't be used as evidence because Urine was under the influence of a mind altering substance.  He's got a free ride on that tape.

Just listened to the PatrickVDEem pressconference ( http://tinyurl.com/549pwh ) It's explicitly said there that Joran didn't take cocaine during the rides with Patrick. Patrick only saw Joran take cocaine once or twice in seven months. And the spokesman of Patrick pressed on the fact that Joran wasn't high on marihuana on ALL the rides.

(Off to bed now. Good night.)

[Buckeye]

I think it's much simpler...she died from being drugged.  The devil is in the details.

and some type of "heavy battery"....

[LoRain]

Later monkeys....I'm going to plot some devious develish stuff to do to innocent forums...being as that's the reputation I have....

[Buckeye]

Thanks EuroRobert...and all other Dutch posters.

[Observer]

I don't want to sound dumb...but is 2-3 gr. of cocaine a lot to do in a day??  I have no idea how much an addict uses.  What would be the price per day??

That amount would be used by the heaviest of cocaine addicts. Thats like $150-200 a day but obviously he is buying in big amounts,especially if he is sharing it with Joran and the whores they picked up together.

 

I hate to say it,but Peter could have easily been responsible if Patrick Overdosed. What was he paying him like 5,000 euros a month? Is that what they bought there cocaine with? He had to of known this was a addict and Patrick said himself that De Vries almost stopped it all.

[SS]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
---------------------------
This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate it when I'm right 

2 to 3 grams a day!  Patrick went a little "overboard" just trying to be "convincing" to Joran!  Maybe that's why his book is named "Overboard" cuz it's got nothing to do with Natalee! 

LMA0!! 

There's another piece to the cocaine use that we haven't touched on.  Now that it is out that both of them were heavily under the influence of cocaine, Joe Taco can now claim that video can't be used as evidence because Urine was under the influence of a mind altering substance.  He's got a free ride on that tape.

Just listened to the PatrickVDEem pressconference ( http://tinyurl.com/549pwh ) It's explicitly said there that Joran didn't take cocaine during the rides with Patrick. Patrick only saw Joran take cocaine once or twice in seven months. And the spokesman of Patrick pressed on the fact that Joran wasn't high on marihuana on ALL the rides.

(Off to bed now. Good night.)

Cocaine remains in your system.  It takes many days to be absorbed.

[Sam]

I think it's much simpler...she died from being drugged.  The devil is in the details.

Agreed.