Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08

[SS]

Joran goes far freely. Is the operation has not failed?
"I had found the fine when he was arrested, but it's beyond my power. The most important thing is that Natales mother knows what happened. In my book I want everything shut down. It is a bestseller. I want to go to America, to Oprah Winfrey. That will succeed. "



NO, NATALEE'S MOMMA DOES NOT KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH, PAT.


AS I STATED BEFORE... YOU ARE AN IDIOT.


"Youuuuuu are a BUMMMMMM!!!!" - Jackie Gleason


This American hopes somebody will come along, and even up your sideburns soon.

> YOU SON OF A BITCH.  (excuse me ladies)

"I want everything shut down."

He must think he has a lot of power.  This is all BS and I don't believe one thing he says.  They better not allow him in our country.  Keep this POS out.

I agree, San...From day one, I have not trusted Patrick, and skipped over most of the discussion concerning him. Saved me a lot of reading back in February!...LOL

The only reason, I am undecided on Peter De Vries is because of the faith our Dutch posters have in him!

Maybe the gay guy that fled Aruba, from a wealthy family was not Guido...just thinking out loud...would explain why his outspoken lawyer has remained quiet...nothing to defend....

I agree completely Mum.  As all of you monkerys know, I have been very outspoken about Patrick since day one.  He is a drug dealer and the scum of the earth.  I wonder how many promising young people have gone to their graves or had their lives ruined because of the cocaine and heroin that he has pushed.  I still strongly suspect a connection between Patrick and Daury Rodriguez who is cooling his heals in Hudson County.  He and his family were arrested right after the video aired with the name Daury.  Daury's mother was arrested carrying 8 kilos of heroin (about 20 lbs.) less than 10 miles from where I live.  Daury was later arrested with 8 kilos in the same area.  What are the chances that the heroine from Aruba has touched the lives of young people that I know personally?  The odds are pretty high.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Slightly OT, but interesting perspective -

Many Dutch prepare for 2012 apocalypse
Published: June 23, 2008 at 7:25 PM

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, June 23 (UPI) -- Thousands of people in the Netherlands say they expect the world to end in 2012, and many say they are taking precautions to prepare for the apocalypse.

The Dutch-language de Volkskrant newspaper said it spoke to thousands of believers in the impending end of civilization, and while theories on the supposed catastrophe varied, most tied the 2012 date to the end of the Mayan calendar, Radio Netherlands reported Monday.

De Volkskrant said many of those interviewed are stocking up on emergency supplies, including life rafts and other equipment.

Some who spoke to the newspaper were optimistic about the end of civilization.

"You know, maybe it's really not that bad that the Netherlands will be destroyed," Petra Faile said. "I don't like it here anymore. Take immigration, for example. They keep letting people in. And then we have to build more houses, which makes the Netherlands even heavier. The country will sink even lower, which will make the flooding worse."

A comment -

My wife and I have just spent a year in Guatemala meeting with the Mayan Elders about their people's 2012 end date. They have told us it is NOT the end of the world but rather the end of this present 5125 cycle of duality (exploitation, war, power, etc.) and the beginning of a cycle of unity (love, cooperation, peace, etc.). This will cause much disruption and disorientation, especially for those who desperately cling to then old paradigm and try to impose their will on others, whether at a national or personal level. We have just released our book which features Tata Pedro Cruz, a respected member of the Mayan Council of Elders and World Ambassador for Peace. Our book is "2012:The Transformation from the Love of Power to the Power of Love." It is available on Amazon.
We all need to just remain open to love and we will catch the new prevailing winds. As more of us do, the transformation proceeds.
One Love,
Robert

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/06/23/Many_Dutch_prepare_for_2012_apocalypse/UPI-40461214263554/

The book is available on Amazon.  This is an odd article. mo

[Lala'sMom]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
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This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

Caps called it!  He said Patrick was not on the up and up.

[KarmaRoundUp]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://danscafebarenboos.web-log.nl/danscafebarenboos/2008/06/patrick-van-der.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpatrick%2Bvan%2Bder%2Beem%2Buses%2Bcocaine%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DNZO%26sa%3DN

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4304586/__Onder_de_coke_tijdens_Joran-tapes___.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpatrick%2Bvan%2Bder%2Beem%2Bcocaine%26start%3D50%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Thank you MrsKub!
These comments below the article are very interesting.....looks like joran got one of his pulled off the 1st page lol
I like this one by joran,in de sloot ole ole ole lmao!

dat deze man niet spoort is mij geheel duidelijk. urges that this man is not entirely clear to me. Maar was het niet Joran die zijn mondje roerde. But it was not his mouth that Joran roerde. Was het niet Joran die de waarheid sprak...? Was it not Joran who spoke the truth ...? Dit doet niets af aan de bekentenis van Joran... This does not alter the admission by Joran ...
Joran, in de Sloot ole ole ole  |  12:59 | 24.06.08 Joran, in the Sloot ole ole ole | 12:59 | 24.06.08
Δ Ik heb een klacht over deze reactie

[KarmaRoundUp]

I also once smoked crack on his nose. -Patrick Van der eem



Hey Patrick,

YOU LOSER.... Don't you mean, I once got my nose smoked

while attempting to ram it up Joran Van der sloot's crack?




> It is on your BOOKEN, in which I choose to do an overwhelming majority

of my buzzarden shooten. You JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Hahaha!
Maybe he meant he once smoked crack on joran's pole....no,that can't be right,joran doesn't HAVE a pole.
::::::::snickering::::::::

[mrskub]

Patrick states that DeVries knowingly cut out portions of his tape recordings to protect him (even though he didn't ask him to) and presented the tape to ABC as complete.

"Did ABC, the American broadcaster who bought the show, that you used cocaine in the car?
“I do not know for sure. Peter R. de Vries has cut all images from the raw material and to ABC he said: this is all. In order to protect me - even though I had not asked. ”

I have an issue with that. In the first place, if DeVries knew Patrick was doing cocaine, wouldn't the honorable thing to do to be to tell Patrick NOT to continue this. This alone puts DeVries in a poor light for me. I also wonder if ALE isn't aware of this and that is why the tapes could not be used as evidence.

[KarmaRoundUp]

I have read these translated stories 3 times now along with Carpe's article. I really hope I'm reading these wrong. My stomach is getting sick.

Patrick is a POS in plain english.


Why isn't Guido's lawyer going after Patrick.  He goes after Joran but not Patrick.

You know who Natalee dumped into the sea, eh?
'That is speculate. But I know it. Joran has me in the beginning of a name. He said that no boy who has done something, but that he done a lot with him. When I called to the police in Aruba gave, they were crazy, because it confirmed their own suspicions. They were two names. One is the day after the disappearance of Natalee departed from Aruba. He is a queer from a wealthy family. The police asked me if Joran bisexual tendencies."

Yep,good question.

[Lala'sMom]

I have read these translated stories 3 times now along with Carpe's article. I really hope I'm reading these wrong. My stomach is getting sick.

Patrick is a POS in plain english.


Why isn't Guido's lawyer going after Patrick.  He goes after Joran but not Patrick.

You know who Natalee dumped into the sea, eh?
'That is speculate. But I know it. Joran has me in the beginning of a name. He said that no boy who has done something, but that he done a lot with him. When I called to the police in Aruba gave, they were crazy, because it confirmed their own suspicions. They were two names. One is the day after the disappearance of Natalee departed from Aruba. He is a queer from a wealthy family. The police asked me if Joran bisexual tendencies."

Yep,good question.

Guido did not leave the island the DAY AFTER Natalee disappeared.  I have said this before and no one listens to me...whoever this person is it is not Guido.  Guido gave a statement on June 3 and he gave notice he was leaving on June 7 and was still on Aruba June 8.  It's all in the Dr. Phil documents.  If Patrick has his facts accurate...big if there...then this person is NOT Guido.  Is anyone going hmmmmm yet?

[SS]

They must have had to edit the hell out of those tapes! Everytime Patrick's nose started to bleed from the 2-3 grams of coke he was doing as that wouldn't be good to sell to ABC. But most importantly anytime Joran spoke of anyone other then himself or a fictitious Daury.
---------------------------
This is all a sham!!!!!!!!!!!

Caps called it!  He said Patrick was not on the up and up.

Yes. he most certainly did.

[SS]

I have read these translated stories 3 times now along with Carpe's article. I really hope I'm reading these wrong. My stomach is getting sick.

Patrick is a POS in plain english.


Why isn't Guido's lawyer going after Patrick.  He goes after Joran but not Patrick.

You know who Natalee dumped into the sea, eh?
'That is speculate. But I know it. Joran has me in the beginning of a name. He said that no boy who has done something, but that he done a lot with him. When I called to the police in Aruba gave, they were crazy, because it confirmed their own suspicions. They were two names. One is the day after the disappearance of Natalee departed from Aruba. He is a queer from a wealthy family. The police asked me if Joran bisexual tendencies."

Yep,good question.

Guido did not leave the island the DAY AFTER Natalee disappeared.  I have said this before and no one listens to me...whoever this person is it is not Guido.  Guido gave a statement on June 3 and he gave notice he was leaving on June 7 and was still on Aruba June 8.  It's all in the Dr. Phil documents.  If Patrick has his facts accurate...big if there...then this person is NOT Guido.  Is anyone going hmmmmm yet?

We were given a few other names - JC and how about our friend EA?

[johan555]

For me it doesn't matter who of what Patrick  is
And what used or did in the past
He was the right person to let  Joran talk about this case , Joran  and Patrick have the same background ( drugs&Poker&women  and a Heavy nightlife )

Peter r de Vries is reliable and has a reputation

For me is important what  JORAN said on the tapes and whether that was  against a Robot or was against that Patrick does not matter!!

[MumInOhio]

I have read these translated stories 3 times now along with Carpe's article. I really hope I'm reading these wrong. My stomach is getting sick.

Patrick is a POS in plain english.


Why isn't Guido's lawyer going after Patrick.  He goes after Joran but not Patrick.

You know who Natalee dumped into the sea, eh?
'That is speculate. But I know it. Joran has me in the beginning of a name. He said that no boy who has done something, but that he done a lot with him. When I called to the police in Aruba gave, they were crazy, because it confirmed their own suspicions. They were two names. One is the day after the disappearance of Natalee departed from Aruba. He is a queer from a wealthy family. The police asked me if Joran bisexual tendencies."

Yep,good question.

Guido did not leave the island the DAY AFTER Natalee disappeared.  I have said this before and no one listens to me...whoever this person is it is not Guido.  Guido gave a statement on June 3 and he gave notice he was leaving on June 7 and was still on Aruba June 8.  It's all in the Dr. Phil documents.  If Patrick has his facts accurate...big if there...then this person is NOT Guido.  Is anyone going hmmmmm yet?

We were given a few other names - JC and how about our friend EA?

Which one is gay? Even Jossy has said that Guido was not the one with scratches...If I have my connections right Ernesto's grandmother was Dutch!

[klaasend]

For me it doesn't matter who of what Patrick  is
And what used or did in the past
He was the right person to let  Joran talk about this case , Joran  and Patrick have the same background ( drugs&Poker&women  and a Heavy nightlife )

Peter r de Vries is reliable and has a reputation

For me is important what  JORAN said on the tapes and whether that was  against a Robot or was against that Patrick does not matter!!

Excellent point Johan, I agree.

[SS]

What about your scar?
“I still got money from a boy. Because he had not paid, I sold him badly cut/diluted heroin, and then he came back angry. Because I trusted him, I set up my baseball-bat down. Then he grabbed a knife and cut me.

“I’ve never made official complaints. I just thought, ‘you wait’. One day I hit him with my car. He wanted to cross and I thought, okay.., BAM. I drove fast. He flew over the car. I grabbed a bat and wanted to kill him. But a friend stopped me. I’ve never seen that guy again. ”

______

I wonder if this kid was Daury Rodriguez.  I wonder if this is why the name Daury suddenly appeared.

[carpe noctem]

My YT pal.

---

1 hour ago

telegraaf



Hey Carpe,

Watch today's Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf.
There is a article about Patrick van der Eem,
saying that he used cocaine during the time he was
taping Joran.I am curious what Peter de Vries is gonna
say......well...we watch and see what's going on with
that Patrick-dude.

Greetings, xxxx

[Helen Back]

Patric slip of the T ?

He asked me: Patrick, did you ever been my friend? I said,  wait until the broadcast.

I the article ::Hij vroeg me: Patrick, ben je ooit mijn vriend geweest? Ik zei: wacht maar tot de uitzending.

Good morning everyone,

good catch here, Johan.

Here's another clue:

He told the paper he took cocaine to remove any doubts Van der Sloot had about him. 'Joran sensed something... so I began to take it in front of him every day.' Van der Eem said he took between two and three grammes of cocaine a day for a seven-month period.

Yes, IMO Joran sensed something because he had been debriefed by the OM when he was detained before the taping.

Notice Patrick says Joran did coke with him, but not in the car, not on camera.

[SS]

I have read these translated stories 3 times now along with Carpe's article. I really hope I'm reading these wrong. My stomach is getting sick.

Patrick is a POS in plain english.


Why isn't Guido's lawyer going after Patrick.  He goes after Joran but not Patrick.

You know who Natalee dumped into the sea, eh?
'That is speculate. But I know it. Joran has me in the beginning of a name. He said that no boy who has done something, but that he done a lot with him. When I called to the police in Aruba gave, they were crazy, because it confirmed their own suspicions. They were two names. One is the day after the disappearance of Natalee departed from Aruba. He is a queer from a wealthy family. The police asked me if Joran bisexual tendencies."

Yep,good question.

Guido did not leave the island the DAY AFTER Natalee disappeared.  I have said this before and no one listens to me...whoever this person is it is not Guido.  Guido gave a statement on June 3 and he gave notice he was leaving on June 7 and was still on Aruba June 8.  It's all in the Dr. Phil documents.  If Patrick has his facts accurate...big if there...then this person is NOT Guido.  Is anyone going hmmmmm yet?

We were given a few other names - JC and how about our friend EA?

Which one is gay? Even Jossy has said that Guido was not the one with scratches...If I have my connections right Ernesto's grandmother was Dutch!

Both are gay.  EA is the one that we have been tracking and could have been identified by the suspect that was being held.  The other was the name that we were given that was connected to "The News" and Renfro.  They were identified as the party-goers.  The second one comes from a very wealthy family.

[Lala'sMom]

For me it doesn't matter who of what Patrick  is
And what used or did in the past
He was the right person to let  Joran talk about this case , Joran  and Patrick have the same background ( drugs&Poker&women  and a Heavy nightlife )

Peter r de Vries is reliable and has a reputation

For me is important what  JORAN said on the tapes and whether that was  against a Robot or was against that Patrick does not matter!!

I agree.  I think a person like Patrick is the only kind that would have gained Joran's confidence enough to get him to talk. My questions center around whether or not Joran knew what was going down. Given what I know happens in Aruba, I am not at all certain that Joran was not tipped off ahead of time and worked out the perfect solution in hopes of ending this train wreck.

[carpe noctem]

...but would Gaydo be so concerned about Joran making it to school on time

 the next morning, to act as though nothing was wrong?

[johan555]

http://download.omroep.nl(...)20080530_44_1kHz.mp3

Gielen on the dutch radio about her doc 

it is in Dutch
Nothing new ha ha 
who pays RG ?

put it on you Tube Renee Gielen !!!