Lively Case Discussion #507 8/6 - 8/7/2006

[Bearlyhere]

I think it is in a way, a white herring, Ono & Carnut, but there was a specific reason for the car being white and rented.  Not sure what the significance of that is, but I would like to find out who had a white rental unit that night.  I think there is someone onto which they are trying to place blame, someone specific.

How would you know if a white car was following you if you were in traffic?  Wouldn't the same car be behind you all the time?  How would you make a decision to go around again if someone was following you, if they weren't actually following you yet?  Is he the amazing Kreskin?

Especially at night with it's lights on.

You ever identified what color a car was behind you at night in your rearview mirror? Heck, it's hard enough when they have the flashing lights on top.

Maybe they were "paranoid" thinking of what they were about to do, driving around the block until they were sure no one was following them.

[AZLady]

Cubbee, if this ever gets to a real court of law, that phone call is the best evidence they have of kidnapping.  You know the FBI can identify whose voices are on that call.

[robots]

where are the sneakers?

i do not know BUT

well, i can tell you this in my opinion

the sneakers were used when they were tied to a cage or a body with a
cage or a body that was sunk with something as a TEMPORARY  LOCATION.

joran swims out at night and puts the body out somewhere in the water..not necessarily on the BEACH he says he was on.
but you see, he needs to be able to ALERT the people (PAULUS or others
where the BODY is ) so they can GO and retreive the body later on that night or the next night or the next day. the SNEAKERS are the >marker<
so people will be able to LOCATE the BODY


SNEAKERS FLOAT  

Or did he need the laces of the sneakers to tie something up?

possible, YES

maybe used the sneakers for BOTH purposes

SNEAKERS FLOAT  - they would make a nice BUOY  

[AZLady]

Or, maybe they were driving around the block several times looking for the white car and its occupants.  In addition to giving the drug time to take effect, they were hooking up with the rest of the gang to then proceed to the after pary.

[cubbeegirl]

Cubbee, if this ever gets to a real court of law, that phone call is the best evidence they have of kidnapping.  You know the FBI can identify whose voices are on that call.

I agree, sadly that is a big IF at this point. It haunts me to imagine the terror Natalee must have been feeling.

[SunFreak2]

Hi Monkeys.... is anyone else having issues listening to Dana's show?

I'm not.

Jossy will be on later to talk about the civil suit.

[Bearlyhere]

I think it is in a way, a white herring, Ono & Carnut, but there was a specific reason for the car being white and rented.  Not sure what the significance of that is, but I would like to find out who had a white rental unit that night.  I think there is someone onto which they are trying to place blame, someone specific.

How would you know if a white car was following you if you were in traffic?  Wouldn't the same car be behind you all the time?  How would you make a decision to go around again if someone was following you, if they weren't actually following you yet?  Is he the amazing Kreskin?

Good point Bearly, although if one up to no good they might be a little paranoid and imagine they are being followed....

Wow, if we think the same things, why didn't ALE?

[SunnyinTX]

Okay, Tylergal, I didn't get far reading, but I started to my own analysis.  Here you go.
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On June 9th 2005, at approximately 12.00 hours, we the reporting officers interviewed as suspect in this the man named: Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT, born in Arnhem, Netherlands on August 6th 1987, no profession student (International School of Aruba) and living on Montanja number 19 on Aruba.

Evening AZLady and all Monks

Thanks for your analysis of this statment.....I think you are right on target.

[San]

The white car following them probably was the rest of the pimps.  Remember, Joran told us in his statement that he told the two guys at Sportsman bar that he was going to C&C's that night.  Then, he called another friend (forget name), in addition to Deepak.  He also called Flor to get her to go to C&C's, too.  He was setting up a little gang bang party and it's no surprise that the occupants of the white car were waiting until C&C's closed and followed Deepak's car to the afterparty.

I agree.  Koen, Sander, Freddy, Jamie.

[SunnyinTX]

Evening Monkeys.  I won't even comment on the kids room talk...you should see my daughter's room.  She's trying to move back to college and there isn't a clear spot on the floor.  

What are we talking about tonight?  I am still tired from the late shift.  

  Hi Lala's!

[Tylergal]

"Natalee went inside and she returns about 30 minutes later being led by Deepak."  Did Deepak see the white car, which was his cue to now take Natalee to the car ? Did he give her that last drink or drug to encourage her?  "It was so easy, you would be surprised how easy it would be that night."

[AZLady]

You know how we used to cruise Central or Main St. looking for our friends?  Wouldn't they be cruising around C&C's looking to hook up with the rest of the gang and then follow each other to the gang-bang?  They also needed to let the drug take effect, you know.  When Joran and the 2K's were talking to each other in Dutch they were most likely referring to spotting the other guys, the drug taking effect, how to kill time until it did, etc.

[SunnyinTX]

Hi Monkeys.... is anyone else having issues listening to Dana's show?

Hi Mrs. Red...I just go here and put Dana on...but no problems so far.

[Jacqueline]

THE LINE UP...

DID I MISS SOMETHING???

[mrs. red]

The white car following them probably was the rest of the pimps.  Remember, Joran told us in his statement that he told the two guys at Sportsman bar that he was going to C&C's that night.  Then, he called another friend (forget name), in addition to Deepak.  He also called Flor to get her to go to C&C's, too.  He was setting up a little gang bang party and it's no surprise that the occupants of the white car were waiting until C&C's closed and followed Deepak's car to the afterparty.

I agree.  Koen, Sander, Freddy, Jamie.

I agree....

Sunfreak, I have Dana's show fine now... I am excited that Jossy is going to be on!

[Bearlyhere]

Cubbee, if this ever gets to a real court of law, that phone call is the best evidence they have of kidnapping.  You know the FBI can identify whose voices are on that call.

I agree, sadly that is a big IF at this point. It haunts me to imagine the terror Natalee must have been feeling.

That's for sure.  

Do we know if this call was really made?

[klaasend]

THE LINE UP...

DID I MISS SOMETHING???

Nothing on the Line Up yet

[Carnut]

THE LINE UP...

DID I MISS SOMETHING???

Yeah, my latest clue.

[mrs. red]

"Natalee went inside and she returns about 30 minutes later being led by Deepak."  Did Deepak see the white car, which was his cue to now take Natalee to the car ? Did he give her that last drink or drug to encourage her?  "It was so easy, you would be surprised how easy it would be that night."[/quote]

That statement makes me so sick....

what men, having to drug a girl in order to have sex with her...


and Cubbee, I am watching one of our favorite movies waiting for Dana...
A Time To Kill....

[mrs. red]

Cubbee, if this ever gets to a real court of law, that phone call is the best evidence they have of kidnapping.  You know the FBI can identify whose voices are on that call.

I agree, sadly that is a big IF at this point. It haunts me to imagine the terror Natalee must have been feeling.

That's for sure.  

Do we know if this call was really made?

I don't know if we are sure or not.... but it seems like most of the monkeys think it's a fact that it was made...I don't know how we know for a fact though...