Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 - 1/9/09

[Blue Moon]

Greta telling about Mos naming the name of the person Joran sold Natalee to but that info was not in Jorans interview.  Wonders if Mos knew who it was and slipped the name in the press release.  He is rather lazy and stupid---let's see where is that picture Klaas had with his itty bitty purse?

Well I used to carry a red purse sorta like that, but it suits him better the little wuus.  Where are the real men in Aruba for crying out loud.

I just laugh out loud every time I see that picture.  It is perfect with his hands on his hip like that.  Priceless.

[Keepthefaith]

Any news from Jossy?

[bc73]

Greta telling about Mos naming the name of the person Joran sold Natalee to but that info was not in Jorans interview.  Wonders if Mos knew who it was and slipped the name in the press release.  He is rather lazy and stupid---let's see where is that picture Klaas had with his itty bitty purse?

Well I used to carry a red purse sorta like that, but it suits him better the little wuus.  Where are the real men in Aruba for crying out loud.

Beheaded, tortured, kidnapped and/or missing...

[Blue Moon]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

[klaasend]

Did someone say John Q. and Mark Furman were in Aruba meeting with Mos?  I am surprised Greta didn't have them on the phone tonight.

Yes someone did say it but that someone is a known liar Julia Renfro aka Glenda.

Edited to add:  Maybe there is more going on and there's just no reason for them to be interviewed yet

[snoopy]

I'd love ta slap that smirk off his face too.

Rock On!!   

[Keepthefaith]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

[bleachedblack]

Greta telling about Mos naming the name of the person Joran sold Natalee to but that info was not in Jorans interview.  Wonders if Mos knew who it was and slipped the name in the press release.  He is rather lazy and stupid---let's see where is that picture Klaas had with his itty bitty purse?

Yes and it sounds very much like Abramovic? Could it br Abramovich? Like in roman Abramovich the russian allegedly in town when Natalee went missing?

Adamovic

I seriously doubt that Aruba wants to implicate Abramovich, even they aren't that stupid.

I agree, infact they might do everything possible to keep it from being found out.

[texasmom]

1/6/2009 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

I hope someone will help us with the translation.

[Blue Moon]

Did someone say John Q. and Mark Furman were in Aruba meeting with Mos?  I am surprised Greta didn't have them on the phone tonight.

Yes someone did say it but that someone is a known liar Julia Renfro aka Glenda.

Edited to add:  Maybe there is more going on and there's just no reason for them to be interviewed yet

Mark Furhman likes to go into a case and look around, ask questions.  Mos did say if anyone has anything to bring it forward so maybe John Q. and Mark Furhman are checking out a few things in Aruba.  (IF they are in Aruba at all. Agreed the source is not the most reliable).

[Blue Moon]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

Maybe not but Hotshot will at some point come back with an answer to that question.  She is pretty good about answering questions.

[Tamikosmom]

Greta telling about Mos naming the name of the person Joran sold Natalee to but that info was not in Jorans interview.  Wonders if Mos knew who it was and slipped the name in the press release.  He is rather lazy and stupid---let's see where is that picture Klaas had with his itty bitty purse?

Well I used to carry a red purse sorta like that, but it suits him better the little wuus.  Where are the real men in Aruba for crying out loud.

Other than Jossy Mansur ... I contend that not one real man has emerged in Aruba throughout the entire 3 1/2 years since Natalee Holloway went missing.

When I consider ... the CAPS, Silvetti, Eduardo and Jossy connection ... I am beginning to have my doubts about Jossy.  I pray I am wrong.

Janet

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A REMINDER

'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005
DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007
Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


DIARIO Aruba
April 26, 2006

Further, the gardener’s testimony stands as valid and concrete to this day. He confirmed this in front of a judge. He passed a lie detector test successfully! Nothing of what he has said has been contradicted with solid proof to this day.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006

COSBY: … In the civil suit, it provided some nuggets of some of the information, and some of this hadn‘t really been highlighted before, Jossy. It said, “In the early hours of Monday morning”—this was when Natalee went missing—“Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleaned his silver Nissan car, claiming after the fact that it had bad ants in it.”

Had you heard that before, Jossy? And that, I think, is an interesting nugget.

MANSUR: Yes, ma‘am, we have heard it. We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


NANCY GRACE
Can Aruban Prosecutors Keep Joran Van Der Sloot in Jail?
Aired August 23, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": That`s what I understand, that this jogger also saw the same car parked at the same spot by the racquet club. However, he did call from a public telephone, and I don`t know whether the police can trace it or not. But according to information I have, they cannot.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/23/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00 ET

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


'Scarborough Country' for August 26
updated 12:49 p.m. PT, Mon., Aug. 29, 2005

DANIELS:  Yes.  But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today.  It has to mean something.  There has to be a master plan here.  What are you hearing about that?
 
MANSUR:  Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.
 
What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case.  He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran.  And then he was released.  And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs.  Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


DANA PRETZER
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006

MANSUR: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.


DANA PRETZER
October 5, 2007

MANSUR: People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.


DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006

MANSUR:  I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18


NANCY GRACE
Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired July 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.
 
GRACE: OK. So you`ve got a white pick-up at the Holiday Inn, where Natalee was staying. You`ve got a white pick-up at the landfill. Both eyewitnesses state that there were three individuals, I`m assuming male. But can they give an identification of Joran Van Der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers?
 
MANSUR: None of them have given that kind of a description. They haven`t identified the three males. But it`s very important to note that the witness on the beach by the Holiday Inn has absolutely no knowledge of the witness over there to the east side of the island by the landfill or dump. They don't know each other, but still they give the same description of the same white pick-up.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for July 26, 2005, CNNHN
Aired July 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Attorneys for chief suspect Joran Van Der Sloot`s appear to stall for time in the Natalee Holloway investigation on Aruba, as volunteer search teams begin to squabble and one even threatens a lawsuit against another.
Aired August 17, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I don`t know what`s happening, but the gardener, the witness, did stand by his story. He did confirm in front of the judge, in front of the defense attorneys, in front of the suspects, that he recognized, and he even recognized two of the three suspects that were there. He hasn`t changed his story one bit.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/ng.01.html


NANCY GRACE
Nancy Grace for August 3, 2005, CNNHN
Aired August 3, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools?
 
MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they`re concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it.
 
GRACE: OK, I`m sorry. I didn`t hear that. Repeat, Jossy.

MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html

[klaasend]

1/6/2009 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

I hope someone will help us with the translation.

You know what I would love?  I would love it if Renfro's story about Furman and JQK being in Aruba is BS and she just reported a BS story in Bondia.  I'd love that. 

[Tamikosmom]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

[Blue Moon]

I agree about the Bondia news story Klaas.  I did read Mark, Beth and John Q.'s names in that article.   (Scarry thing is I can almost make out some things in that report.)

[Keepthefaith]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

Maybe not but Hotshot will at some point come back with an answer to that question.  She is pretty good about answering questions.

I'm definitly interested in the response.Nothing against Hotshot!

[klaasend]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

Maybe not but Hotshot will at some point come back with an answer to that question.  She is pretty good about answering questions.

I'm definitly interested in the response.Nothing against Hotshot!

The problem is Hotshot is claiming she can't get into SM.  She wanted to know if she was banned, I told her NO.  It seems a few of the ChatnGrumble members are trying to say they are banned from SM when they aren't.  Hotshot and Lala's as an example.  Neither is banned yet they are implying to others they are.  Go figure.  Some people just love the drama I guess.

[texasmom]

1/6/2009 Bondia

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

I hope someone will help us with the translation.

You know what I would love?  I would love it if Renfro's story about Furman and JQK being in Aruba is BS and she just reported a BS story in Bondia.  I'd love that. 

True, and until I know what the article says I don't believe it says they are there.  For all we know it's just more trashing Greta's show.

[texasmom]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

Maybe not but Hotshot will at some point come back with an answer to that question.  She is pretty good about answering questions.

I'm definitly interested in the response.Nothing against Hotshot!

The problem is Hotshot is claiming she can't get into SM.  She wanted to know if she was banned, I told her NO.  It seems a few of the ChatnGrumble members are trying to say they are banned from SM when they aren't.  Hotshot and Lala's as an example.  Neither is banned yet they are implying to others they are.  Go figure.  Some people just love the drama I guess.

Maybe it helps them fit in better over there.   

[Blue Moon]

Any news from Jossy?

Haven't heard anything.  Hotshot was suppose to get back with us on why Eduardo Mansur was on that ship the whole time they were in Aruba.  But haven't heard back from her on it.  Maybe later.

For some reason i don't think we'll get the Truth,as to why,Eduardo was on the Persistence everyday!

Maybe not but Hotshot will at some point come back with an answer to that question.  She is pretty good about answering questions.

I'm definitly interested in the response.Nothing against Hotshot!

The problem is Hotshot is claiming she can't get into SM.  She wanted to know if she was banned, I told her NO.  It seems a few of the ChatnGrumble members are trying to say they are banned from SM when they aren't.  Hotshot and Lala's as an example.  Neither is banned yet they are implying to others they are.  Go figure.  Some people just love the drama I guess.

Well they keep telling you to ban them.  Then they run. ChatnGrumble must be a happening place.