Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 - 5/17/09

[Nut44x4]

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

[hotping]

 

[Tamikosmom]

 

[Tamikosmom]

KLAAAAAAS!!

hotping cheated.  I just know she did.

Janet

[jen3560]

Good Morning Monkeys

Hotping - You asked what to research........................I hope this is helpful.

Schaefer
Legacy Offshore
Underwater Expeditions
 
Silvetti
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK)
Alternative Positioning Solutions LLC -APS
Silvetti Marine Services LLC
Marine Surveys LLC
five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).


DO THEY HAVE A CONNECT TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?

Permian Asset Management
Permian Energy 
GBK CAPITAL N.V which is GOMEZ, LINCOLN DELWIN
GPJ HOLDINGS, INC which is Justin Solomon
Seisma Oil Research, LLC
Partner Bret Boteler, of Enermax, Inc Based In Hurst, TX, 
about their exclusive drilling partner Evans Energy (E2) 
4G Companies 
Neofirma
Director of GeoTech Oil
Geotech, LLC 
Geotech operates as Geotech Oil & Gas Company, LLC  or any other companies Justin Solomon might be involved in
-----------------

Note - Permian Energy.........have to be careful on Permian energy.
The one we are looking for they say all the employees are part of the company which I assume to be Permian Asset Management...  there is a Permian Energy based out of Texas that I followed for two days but I do not believe is the right one.

[hotping]

KLAAAAAAS!!

hotping cheated.  I just know she did.

Janet

 

[Anna]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Us-TVg40ExM&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Us-TVg40ExM&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash</a>


And speaking of loyalty

STAND BY ME

Wonderful rendition!

 

[hotping]

Good Morning Monkeys

Hotping - You asked what to research........................I hope this is helpful.

Schaefer
Legacy Offshore
Underwater Expeditions
 
Silvetti
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK)
Alternative Positioning Solutions LLC -APS
Silvetti Marine Services LLC
Marine Surveys LLC
five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).


DO THEY HAVE A CONNECT TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?

Permian Asset Management
Permian Energy 
GBK CAPITAL N.V which is GOMEZ, LINCOLN DELWIN
GPJ HOLDINGS, INC which is Justin Solomon
Seisma Oil Research, LLC
Partner Bret Boteler, of Enermax, Inc Based In Hurst, TX, 
about their exclusive drilling partner Evans Energy (E2) 
4G Companies 
Neofirma
Director of GeoTech Oil
Geotech, LLC 
Geotech operates as Geotech Oil & Gas Company, LLC  or any other companies Justin Solomon might be involved in
-----------------

Note - Permian Energy.........have to be careful on Permian energy.
The one we are looking for they say all the employees are part of the company which I assume to be Permian Asset Management...  there is a Permian Energy based out of Texas that I followed for two days but I do not believe is the right one.

Thank You Jen! I really appreciate this information.....I will see what I can dig up! 

[Tamikosmom]

The Lifetime website is now up.

http://www.mylifetime.com/on-tv/movies/natalee-holloway

[Tamikosmom]

KLAAAAAAS!!

hotping cheated.  I just know she did.

Janet

 

 

[jen3560]

Good Morning Monkeys

Hotping - You asked what to research........................I hope this is helpful.

Schaefer
Legacy Offshore
Underwater Expeditions
 
Silvetti
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK)
Alternative Positioning Solutions LLC -APS
Silvetti Marine Services LLC
Marine Surveys LLC
five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).


DO THEY HAVE A CONNECT TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?

Permian Asset Management
Permian Energy 
GBK CAPITAL N.V which is GOMEZ, LINCOLN DELWIN
GPJ HOLDINGS, INC which is Justin Solomon
Seisma Oil Research, LLC
Partner Bret Boteler, of Enermax, Inc Based In Hurst, TX, 
about their exclusive drilling partner Evans Energy (E2) 
4G Companies 
Neofirma
Director of GeoTech Oil
Geotech, LLC 
Geotech operates as Geotech Oil & Gas Company, LLC  or any other companies Justin Solomon might be involved in
-----------------

Note - Permian Energy.........have to be careful on Permian energy.
The one we are looking for they say all the employees are part of the company which I assume to be Permian Asset Management...  there is a Permian Energy based out of Texas that I followed for two days but I do not believe is the right one.

Thank You Jen! I really appreciate this information.....I will see what I can dig up! 

YW Hotping.

And thank YOU!!!!!!!!!

I don't have much time for research lately - so any Monkey that can help is truly a blessing!!

[MuffyBee]

OT But may be of interest to those interested in the Netherlands & Queen Beatrix:

Car hits crowd at Dutch parade; kills 4, hurts 13

25 minutes ago

APELDOORN, Netherlands (AP) — Dutch authorities say four people were killed and 13 injured when a car careened, apparently deliberately, into a crowd watching Queen Beatrix and her family at a holiday parade.

Prosecutor L. Goossens says the incident appeared to be deliberate, but not an act of terrorism.
<snip>
The small black car plowed through a line of spectators then slammed into a stone monument just a few meters from the open bus where the queen and the royal family were being greeted by the crowd.
<snip>
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilgyK22JkrE2dgeitbQ9O52O8OXAD97SR56G2

[hotping]

Good Morning Monkeys

Hotping - You asked what to research........................I hope this is helpful.

Schaefer
Legacy Offshore
Underwater Expeditions
 
Silvetti
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK)
Alternative Positioning Solutions LLC -APS
Silvetti Marine Services LLC
Marine Surveys LLC
five GeoLab Companies;
GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).


DO THEY HAVE A CONNECT TO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?

Permian Asset Management
Permian Energy 
GBK CAPITAL N.V which is GOMEZ, LINCOLN DELWIN
GPJ HOLDINGS, INC which is Justin Solomon
Seisma Oil Research, LLC
Partner Bret Boteler, of Enermax, Inc Based In Hurst, TX, 
about their exclusive drilling partner Evans Energy (E2) 
4G Companies 
Neofirma
Director of GeoTech Oil
Geotech, LLC 
Geotech operates as Geotech Oil & Gas Company, LLC  or any other companies Justin Solomon might be involved in
-----------------

Note - Permian Energy.........have to be careful on Permian energy.
The one we are looking for they say all the employees are part of the company which I assume to be Permian Asset Management...  there is a Permian Energy based out of Texas that I followed for two days but I do not believe is the right one.

Here's some more business names that might/could be involved...

   BOTELER, BRET L

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 TITAN RESOURCES, INC 

BOTELER, BRETLEE   

Associated names:

 BOTELER, BRET LEE

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 MOSSVILLE # 1 2006 JOINT VENTURE
 TRIPTE H-RE JOINT VENTURE
 WEST JANICE #1 JOINT VENTURE
 WHARTON B 2006 JOINT VENTURE
 ENERMAX OIL & GAS HOLDINGS, LLC
 ENERMAX OPERATING, LP
 ENERMAX, INC

[jen3560]

Some things I gleaned from the post bastibro brought over.

1 - The family is aware of things that the public isn't - which means they have more knowledge (and hopefully evidence of some sort) that further prove what happened to Natalee.

My thoughts on that?


GREAT!!!!
If they felt able to share what they know - people could likely help them get to the bottom of things.

2 - In one breath the poster berates others who have caused Natalee's family heartache and harm, and in another she's saying she doesn't like applying criminal terms to people that cannot be proven - which is exactly what Beth after she learned some crucial information..........accused J2K of kidnap, rape and murder.

My thoughts on that?

The poster is condeming Beth for what she has done, while at the same time trying to elevate herself above Beth and her actions.

That's just self serving, an attack from behind, and all the while - she has Jug asking her for help. 

I sure hope he sees that post of hers and can understand her feelings about their actions!

What in the world is up with some of the people this family chooses to be in their corner to help them?

Purcell, Renfro, Reality and Ramm on one side of the family

And posters like this one on the other side.

I just don't get it.


Of course, I do understand that Natalee's family cannot possibly spend the necessary time on the internet to see all of the posts of all of these people, in order to have a complete understanding of their true feelings and thoughts.

So I guess I could understand them taking uninformed actions.

[Tamikosmom]

Anna ... thank you.

I had the speaker on high so Stand by Me was blaring throughout the entire household.

I had to laugh.  My two eldest grandsons (9/11) are homeschooled.  As Papa is on a fishing trip ... I am the teacher on call (TOC) today while Mom had other committments.

The boys are already working at the kitchen table attempting to finish their assignments early so that they can have some video game time later ... a special privilege not afforded throughout the week by their parents.  Anyways ... eleven year old grandson just called out to me "MAMA ... TURN THAT MUSIC DOWN".  Talk about a reversal of roles.

 

GOOD MORNING ALL!

Janet
8:25 AM PT

[hotping]

Anna ... thank you.

I had the speaker on high so Stand by Me was blaring throughout the entire household.

I had to laugh.  My two eldest grandsons (9/11) are homeschooled.  As Papa is on a fishing trip ... I am the teacher on call (TOC) today while Mom had other committments.

The boys are already working at the kitchen table attempting to finish their assignments early so that they can have some video game time later ... a special privilege not afforded throughout the week by their parents.  Anyways ... eleven year old grandson just called out to me "MAMA ... TURN THAT MUSIC DOWN".  Talk about a reversal of roles.

 

GOOD MORNING ALL!

Janet
8:25 AM PT

Gotta Love It! 

[Tamikosmom]

Hiya Janet,

Since GBMW is not able to post at SM anymore, she asked me to bring this to your attention.
I hope that`s ok

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________


Hello Janet,

You seem to have an idea about me / my view points...and they’re not correct.

I don’t think Beth is responsible for the ill of the Aruban people. That is ludicrous. I do think Natalee’s case and the boycott had a negative impact on people that live on Aruba that have absolutely nothing to do with what happened to Natalee or how the authorities dealt with the situation. There might be rotten people living on Aruba (like everywhere else) but the majority of the people there are nice, great people that deserve nothing but the best.

The Kalpoes were not involved thing. Of course they were involved; but from what I can interpret coming from official sources I’m not going to say I am convinced they kidnapped, murdered or raped Natalee. And I am also convinced that if there was good solid evidence they raped, murdered someone etc. I think the OM would have charged them a long time ago.

The Kalpoes have their own responsibility when it comes to their ‘input’. They lied to the police and with that they might be responsible for the OM not being able to find Natalee or solve the case. I do think the Kalpoes went to extremes to ‘help out’ Joran…..and because of that I think they are more involved…but to what extend…I don’t know of course. It is not known what happened to Natalee let alone who did what that night. And that’s why I don’t jump to conclusions and post around that I think they committed awful crimes. But of course they are involved!

And I’m fully aware they could have given answers a long time ago & they’ve disrespected / disregarded Natalee & her loved ones for years and in ways I can’t even express. But I don’t have access to the criminal file of Natalee’s case and I don’t know what happened….nor is it possible for me to divide the ‘info’ provided all over the internet in piles of truths and lies…too much info and a lot is mixed as well and some ‘facts’ are even contradicting…not to mention the difficulties that can be around concerning trusting the source that gives out ‘info’. Jug mailed me a post from SM sometime ago…he said that post had credible info…that this poster knew more than what was generally known. I trust Jug so I went through the info in that post...lots of indications were pointed out and I read up on those one by one. But in general…I don’t know how to get the truth out of the huge pile…it’s very confusing so I just try to focussed to what I think is reliable…and even working through that is hard (and time consuming) enough for me, lol. With living my life and posting / translating….there is only little time left and I’m no researcher…so I guess you could say I just try to cover the basics. Might make me come across as a fool sometimes…I’m not bothered.

Rumour / facts / lies are given…intentionally or not…but I’m not going to form a strong opinion concerning people when it involves such serious and awful crimes based on that. And the Kalpoes went, voluntarily, to the OM last year to give new statements and I do give them credit for that. They didn’t have to do that. Probably it fitted their own agenda…but they did so anyway. It would have been so easy for them to let it go; so I’m happy they went and I hope it gave the OM more answers as to what happened that night. They are involved and they should be held accountable for that & acknowledge their responsibility in this case; as people and through the legal system. But I’m not comfortable with putting labels like rapist or murderer on a person when it’s not proven they did so. I don’t doubt the involvement of the Kalpoes…their values and morals…well it’s quite obvious there are few chips missing there…but concerning actual crimes they might have committed…I don’t know.

From all I’ve read about the case and heard from Joran’s own mouth I believe / am convinced he was there when something happened to Natalee. So from that point of view he holds a lot of answers in my opinion. The fact he (and possibly others that might have been there) didn’t get help intwines for me to Natalee not being in ‘just trouble’ caused by general things…something was done to her. If someone has medical issues and you’ve got nothing to do with that…you get help. Simple as that.

In general…I’m just careful to judge (even though some would be happy to disagree with me on that, lol)…that Joran is nasty and has a rotten personality is quite clear to all and he shows it time and again. He gave out his character way more publicly than the Kalpoes…so it’s easier for me to form an opinion concerning him & that’s why I’m probably more outspoken concerning Joran.

Concerning ‘my view’ that there is no cover up…another wrong interpretation of my opinion. There is Paul van der Sloot and his function – placement in the judicial system on Aruba, Pauls’ weird -to say the least- actions, the fact that Beth’s statement was wrongly translated, the house search that was limited, the Joran statement in the trash, Vocking (IIRC) being there at the house…there is lots more that gives a very good foundation for making me think that the police covered things up / did corrupt things. So I think there was a cover up to some extent. But I don’t believe that every police man / judge working on Natalee’s case is corrupt…I just don’t believe in a huge beyond huge cover up.

Me being on RU…what is wrong with that? I post there yes. But my opinions don’t change depending on the board and unlike a lot of others…my nic is the same everywhere...I’m not hiding. I went there after I left this forum…and while there someone pointed BFN out to me…I didn’t even know it existed until then. I joined BFN and very happy I did so; I’ve met some amazing people there and these days I’m mainly there and not at RU.

You (or anyone else for that matter) don’t have to agree with me, you don’t have to like me, you’re allowed to have serious doubts concerning my translations or whatever. That’s all fine by me. Different viewpoints are good for keeping a wide perspective and that’s a healthy place to be. I translate as good as I possible can but I’m not flawless…I just do my best and I never intentionally translate things wrong.

But I did wanted to tell you that your general summary of my opinions isn’t correct. Opinions can change and mine have here and there over time but the things you laid out never represented mine. That’s why I asked Bastibro to post this message so I could ask you to stop presenting that little summary with viewpoints that aren’t mine as if they are. People read it and might think that is actually my opinion while I know for sure it isn’t. You can have your opinion concerning me nonetheless after this message of course….but I think forming an opinion should be based on grounds that are reflective of accurate and not wrong interpretations.

GBMW

[hotping]

OOPS... Forgot to say Good Morning to Ya Janet!
Have a Great Day Monkeys!

I have some errands to run then I'll see what I can dig up on The Contract 

BBL!

[Rob]

Isn't saying you have OFFICIAL sources that ARE either Dutch or Aruban about as reliable as the Queen Beatrix Airport's radar system?

[hotping]

Isn't saying you have OFFICIAL sources that ARE either Dutch or Aruban about as reliable as the Queen Beatrix Airport's radar system?

  YEP!