Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru 11/23/08

[vms]

DTKM?

I think so! 

Now find the bulldog!!!!!   

Ok, I'm looking. 

[Altruist]

Has any Monkey researched,and or came up with companies that own boats with the capabilities to drop a cage like the one in the dive????

Not that I know of.

[texasmom]

Has any Monkey researched,and or came up with companies that own boats with the capabilities to drop a cage like the one in the dive????

IIRC when it was discussed before, locals wouldn't use a trap that large.  Possibilities of who might were mentioned but I can't remember who.  sorry....

[Keepthefaith]

Has any Monkey researched,and or came up with companies that own boats with the capabilities to drop a cage like the one in the dive????

Not that I know of.

Thanx Altruist...Just trying to understand who has the greatest understanding of the waters off of Aruba as well as the shipping lanes,as well as times.Not that it matters just thinking...

[Altruist]

well those large traps from what I have seen on "Deadliest Catch" are used by way offshore fisherman, crabs & some fish as I think back on it, the boats are pretty large & have the needed equipment.  Now I guess that a drug post office would be possible, quite a bit of cocaine could probably be stored but not the kind of large shipments that I think big time drug runners would be involved in, then it seems kinda like too small.  Maybe for local dealing operations that size trap would be applicable, seems like a safe place to store it as well of course I don't really think LieRuba cares about keeping drugs of the place.

someone speculated that maybe for growing fish but I have seen a very different method used for that utilizing very large nets & that is done close to shore.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Could be Papito:



I don't think DTKM:

I agree, Klaas, and thanks for the help for the photo-challenged.

Maybe Papito, but I don't that's DTKM.  Wonder who that guy is?

2Nj thinks red shirt is Bucher, a member of the Persistence crew.  He has the same baseball cap on in another Persistence picture where he is wearing a striped shirt.  Go back several pages to the picture of the guy with a dead bear.

No, not true.  AZSunny asked if it could be Bucher, and I responded that I did not think it was him.  I did so when posting pics I had found.

[vms]

Do we have this pic of Deepak's car?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Could be Papito:



I don't think DTKM:

I agree, Klaas, and thanks for the help for the photo-challenged.

Maybe Papito, but I don't that's DTKM.  Wonder who that guy is?

2Nj thinks red shirt is Bucher, a member of the Persistence crew.  He has the same baseball cap on in another Persistence picture where he is wearing a striped shirt.  Go back several pages to the picture of the guy with a dead bear.

No, not true.  AZSunny asked if it could be Bucher, and I responded that I did not think it was him.  I did so when posting pics I had found.

Please go back to the last thread and revisit the posts.  I found an alternate picture of Mr.Bucher and posted it.  I also said twice that I did not think the red shirted man was him.     

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551561#msg551561

[Altruist]

Do we have this pic of Deepak's car?

That's a good picture it certainly was NOT the car taken into custody to be processed by ALE.  That one did NOT have tinted windows & the hub caps only had five spokes not the six seen in the above photo.  LieRuba is such a disgrace, this all should have been solved within 30 days.  What a bunch of cowardly criminals, can't wait til they have to face the music, the enabler's of the slootscum's.

[Altruist]

Imagine the family members of these cowardly criminals, they can't even change their names & easily relocate to restart their lives.  Stuck on devils island with the SHAME bestowed upon them by their own family members, willingly putting them at risk.  I can not even imagine.

But then again the vanderstoolscums have no shame, they pitter about at their book clubs & cocktail parties & their "peers" treat them no differently, maybe all the other families will be able to take the same position.  Naw, I doubt it cuz when this comes down have a feeling that things will never be the same & decent people may very well take over as to date they have been cowering in fear of those in power, hopefully future elections will bring the decent people some real hope & aspirations worth achieving for their people.

[texasmom]

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3162&Itemid=1

Papiamentu Translation

productor of declaration of policy mericano on caso holloway is deny of entrega tape at police at aruba

saturday, 22 november 2008

oranjestad – one productor of one magazine sensacionalista mericano can is the causante of the interest repentino again on the caso natalee holloway. according vocero of ministerio publico, the week here they owing to ricibi one avalancha of call again dirigi on the caso of investigacion of natalee holloway. all basa on supuesto informacion ‘nobo’ cu have to owing to origina for of aruba y cu is causante of the ‘problema’. according ministerio publico cu owing to saca one comunicado dirigi at prensa mericano yesterday, they're show cu is for of july of the year here cu they owing to wordo acerca for one declaration of policy of television sensacionalista, on one supuesto video new of sospechoso principal of the caso here, joran vd sloot, discutiendo the caso holloway at thailand. was one productor of the declaration of policy here did take contacto cu ministerio publico at aruba indicando cu the have the tape y owing to comparti the contenido of the tape. self instant ministerio publico owing to let know cu the informacion there not have none valor because; proof for her caso here the instant here. ministerio publico is follow show cu result of they investigacion do not show none aid for cu the ‘prueba nobo’ here. owing to haci peticion for her productor send one copia of the tape here for they see this y analis’e. the anfitrion of the declaration of policy niether never owing to arrive aruba according ministerio publico. the oferta for show the tape once more, owing to wordo ripiti 10 day again, by one agent of ministerio publico at merca. in one combersacion personal among the anfitrion of the declaration of policy sensacionalista y the fiscal, owing to revoca the oferta here, debi at the another compromisonan comercial cu the anfitrion had at merca. thing owing to stay is one sugerencia of ‘tuma or laga’ in one attempt for come across at miami in end of week. but the anfitrion do not dispuesto for provee the tape at police. do not conoci if in the caso here is deal of the same tape cu cual conocido anfitrion greta van susteren is refiriendo at dje. come across

[wreck]

Imagine the family members of these cowardly criminals, they can't even change their names & easily relocate to restart their lives.  Stuck on devils island with the SHAME bestowed upon them by their own family members, willingly putting them at risk.  I can not even imagine.

But then again the vanderstoolscums have no shame, they pitter about at their book clubs & cocktail parties & their "peers" treat them no differently, maybe all the other families will be able to take the same position.  Naw, I doubt it cuz when this comes down have a feeling that things will never be the same & decent people may very well take over as to date they have been cowering in fear of those in power, hopefully future elections will bring the decent people some real hope & aspirations worth achieving for their people.

Jossy said it himself the other night: 'The people of Aruba are now "indifferent".'

[texasmom]

Imagine the family members of these cowardly criminals, they can't even change their names & easily relocate to restart their lives.  Stuck on devils island with the SHAME bestowed upon them by their own family members, willingly putting them at risk.  I can not even imagine.

But then again the vanderstoolscums have no shame, they pitter about at their book clubs & cocktail parties & their "peers" treat them no differently, maybe all the other families will be able to take the same position.  Naw, I doubt it cuz when this comes down have a feeling that things will never be the same & decent people may very well take over as to date they have been cowering in fear of those in power, hopefully future elections will bring the decent people some real hope & aspirations worth achieving for their people.

Jossy said it himself the other night: 'The people of Aruba are now "indifferent".'

I need to go back and read the transcript again, I thought he was talking about Mos.

[texasmom]

Greta's got them upset alright, three pages in Bondia.  Too tired to type and get translated tonight, maybe tomorrow.

[texasmom]

Justice for Natalee!!!

[johan555]

Was Mackin McKinney - Natalee’s Aruba Roommate  ?

Sunday, April 6, 2008

Natalee Holloway

We had just had celebrated our big high school graduation and were scheduled to go to Aruba the next morning. There were one hundred and twenty five of our best friends going down to celebrate after finally graduating from Mountain Brook High School. A group of us had spent the night at my house the so that we could get up early and all head to the airport together. We talked about all the fun things we wanted to do and how excited we all were, as we were all completely oblivious to what was about to happen. I never would have guessed that this would be the last time that Natalee would be in my house with all of us.

Our flight was scheduled to leave at seven in the morning so we had to get up very early. None of us really had slept the night before because we were all too excited. We finally arrived in Aruba and were greeted by buses that were going to take us to our resort. It was an all inclusive hotel that had tons of places to eat and bars on the property. We had to decide who was going to be in our rooms before we arrived and there was a door that opened to the next room to combine them. Natalee and I shared a room with two other girls along with four more of our friends in the next room. Everyone was so excited that we immediately put on our bathing suits and headed to the pool. The first night everyone decided to stay at the hotel and just go to the bars and the casinos. We were having a ball and everyone was so laid back and care free.

As our trip was coming to a close on our last night everyone decided that we were going to ride the bus into town and go to the hot spot Carlos and Charlies. We were scheduled to go out on a day cruise on a sailboat for the day and then were going to go home and eat dinner before we headed out for our big night on the town. The sailboat was amazing and there was a bar on the boat so all of us were laying out on the front of the boat getting sun and enjoying our tropical drinks. Natalee and all of us began to talk about these guys that we had met in the casino the night before and how they had said that they were going to go to Carlos and Charlies also. None of us really had wanted to be around them, but they had come to our hotel and started conversation with all of us.

We got in from the day out on the water and ran to our rooms to shower and get ready for dinner and a crazy last night in Aruba. After enjoying a nice dinner at the hotel, all of us loaded up onto the buses and headed into town. The bar was so crowded and everyone began drinking and dancing. The bar tenders were getting people on stage to compete in contest and of course all of our friends were on stage. It began getting late and the bar was closing so all of us were forced outside into the street. Most of the group was together, but none of us could find Natalee. The bar was so crazy when everyone was leaving that there was no trying to find someone cause everyone was pushing and shoving and of course had lots to drink. Everyone began cramming into cabs and headed back to the hotel. There was another group that had gone to another bar so most of us figured Natalee had gone with them. Everyone was exhausted and ready to go to bed so when we got back to the hotel we fell right to sleep.

We woke up the next morning to find that Natalee was not in our room and figured that she had just stayed in another room. Natalee was never the type to be late and would never miss something like a flight home. It was getting close to the time we were supposed to leave for the airport and there was still no sign of Natalee. Me and some of my friends began to cry and started to seriously worry about Natalee. One of our teachers that was on the trip stayed behind and called Natalee's parents and told them to head down to Aruba immediately that Natalee didn't return home from the bar the night before. All of us were freaking out and didn't know what to do. We had tried to stay behind with our teacher but they wouldn't let us.

The night we got home everyone came over to my house to spend the night and we had heard that there was to be an announcement on the news stating that Natalee Holloway was missing on a graduation trip and hadn't returned home from Aruba. All of us were in shock and had a really hard time dealing with everything that was going on. We didn't know what to do and had no clue that our lives were about to change. One of our best friends had gone missing and we didn't know if she was dead or alive.

Mackin McKinney Blog (Natalee's Friend

http://mackinmckinney.blogspot.com/2008/04/natalee-holloway.html

thanks Blonde > i know that blog and this letter  is the dutch tread here 

For me is this important :  None of us really had wanted to be around them, but they had come to our hotel and started conversation with all of us .

And she said they had come to our hotel  > was that outside the hotel ,at the bar, were they hanging around a bit  ?
Was that the only time "they" were there ?
And who are "they"?
And she said :None of us really had wanted to be around them> why was that ? there must be a reason to say that .

i asked if they were hanging around the HI  because i found this :

on a Aruba forum :

Posted on: 7:01 am, June 06, 2005  Save
***** RECAP *********** RECAP ********** (with comments)

1:30 a.m. - 3 guys drive away with Natalee and she disappears. (The time is verified by the girls that were with Natalee)
We find out that the locals refer to them as "THE drug dealers" of the area.(The media is so kind to call them students. Especially since they are NOT in school and are working on the island.)
We find out that 2 of the 3 "persons of interest" have fathers who are politically tied to the island. (one a judge and one a lawyer)
We find out that at 2:00 the 3 "persons of interest" claim to have merely dropped Natalee off at the H.I. and claim she just disappeared.(Uh .. they didnt walk her to the door? What guy drops an attractive girl off in the parking lot and drives away?)
We find out that no cameras at the H.I. record the 3 "persons of interest" dropping her off. Also, none of the vacationers of the entire H.I. complex saw her that evening. Many of the people that know Natalee, are awake and scattered about the resort most of the early morning. None of them see her or the 3 guys.(How strange.)

We find out that dad, the Judge, is representing the 3 in question.

We find out that the 3 "persons of interest" claim to have gone to a beach on the North Tip of the island and then dropped Natalee off at 2:00 at the H.I.(Story changes and amazingly they did all of this in just 30 minutes. The drive from the bar to the Lighthouse is probably 15 minutes. So, if they drive by without stopping they could get to the H.I. in just enough time to drop her off - in the street right in front of the HI?)

We find out that dad, the Judge, is upset the media knows about the 3 in question and "removes" some of the law enforcement in charge.(Powerful man he must be. The power of the dark side is strong.)
FBI gets involved and local authorities are under extreme pressure from both sides now.

We find out from a local Aruban Paper (A.M. Digital - locals verified as credible source) that the 3 "persons of interest" claim to have taken her to the Lighthouse, had <relations> with her, and THEN dropped her off at 2:00--where the cameras couldn't see us.(Story changes for the 3rd time and even more amazingly, they have found a way to TIME TRAVEL. Lets face it, you can't drive that fast let alone <anything else>. They must have dropped her off (way out of camera range) some time later than 2:00)
Here is the link - http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf
The authorities investigate the Allegro. (dad the Judge may have ordered a coverup at this point.)
We find out something is sent to a Holland Lab and we should hold our breath for 24 hours. (I got a headache from this one.)The authorities make an arrest of 2 men. (the coverup may be continuing.)
The authorities find a green shack and a matress that seem to not help this case.
We wait as the Island will conduct a search with up to 10,000 people involved.
I probably missed some but thats most of it.
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I think we have 3 guys that need to talk and dad the Judge says no.
I may be wrong but seems like these 2 guys are being used to take the blame. After all, I have seen their pictures in the news already. Where are the pictures of those 3 that claim to have had <relations> with her and then dropped her off in the parking lot or in the street or where there are no cameras ? If they were sooo close (i.e. having relations), then why leave her in the parking lot the night before she leaves??
One thing is for sure -- these 3 persons of interest are liars. What did they put in her drink? I think we all know that scenario and how much easier it is with people NEW to the bar scene.
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This info may not be perfect but we are doing better on this thread than any NewsCast is doing.
The comments might be harsh but they are only based on those facts at this time.

[blah]

the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only.
<snip>
the FBI gave them to Dave H
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047



Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #740 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:38 PM »
After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap. 
<snip>
The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected.

<snip>
On the 11th and 12th, I noticed the Dutch coast guard vessel at or VERY near the trap site.
snip>
The vessel was on that spot for 42 minutes that day and about the same duration the next day. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366321#msg366321


The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366312#msg366312


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 04:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857#msg366857

Quote from: private eye on March 19, 2008, 02:54:38 PM
 I am curious what the circumstances were surrounding his leave from the boat he described during which the Dutch ship came close to the trap location.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366826#msg366826

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366289#msg366289
Human remains were found


the items found inside the trap
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366281#msg366281



I inquired about the Dutch coast guard being on site
 "we do not have dive capability
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366325#msg366325

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap
<snip>
Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047

WOW, I have not read here in a long time and am very surprised by what people are now saying.  Are you saying that the crew of the persistance is involved in the coverup????????

[MumInOhio]

Blah…Hi…differing opinions on this, and will let some that have followed it more closely fill you in. Blonde has a thread started.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0


Johan…Relax…Take the day off…Haven’t you been reading the last week or so? It is all coming together.  No need to stumble around in the dark any longer. Just be patient. In due time we will all know!

Heck…Maybe some new books will be forthcoming to enlighten us. Not sure how Royalties work, but maybe there would be enough made to take a cruise or buy a Luxury car…

Have a great Day Everyone!…Wow…I can watch Football, go shopping, delete all the files I won’t be needing, clean out all my email accounts …the possibilities are endless! 

[SS]

DTKM?

I think so! 

Now find the bulldog!!!!!   

Ok, I'm looking. 

I hate to be a nay sayer, but red shirt is not DTKM.  The features aren't even the same and red shirt isn't wearing glasses.  DTKM would never have stood there while the group was being photographed.  He doesn't allow his picture to be taken.

[SS]

Could be Papito:



I don't think DTKM:

I agree, Klaas, and thanks for the help for the photo-challenged.

Maybe Papito, but I don't that's DTKM.  Wonder who that guy is?

2Nj thinks red shirt is Bucher, a member of the Persistence crew.  He has the same baseball cap on in another Persistence picture where he is wearing a striped shirt.  Go back several pages to the picture of the guy with a dead bear.

No, not true.  AZSunny asked if it could be Bucher, and I responded that I did not think it was him.  I did so when posting pics I had found.

I'm sorry 2NJ.