Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[TURBOTHINK]

I'd love the know what dates he got money from the FBI, Uri and whomever else, he was in a crappy hotel, and had very little money left by June 2nd...he has a serious gambling problem, and luckily, it seems that will be the reason he get caught for murder...

Isn't life crazy????

I think the money he got was already owed in past gambling debts and they were closing in on him. He kept enough to travel and continue gambling thinking he would make some more to pay them at the casinos. I would love to interview his bookie.

[Tamikosmom]

Whatever these new developments are and whether or not anything comes from these rumors, I do not believe they are based upon the old pictures from the snorkeling, vacationing couple as previously reported on and dismissed.

JMO

Lifesong ... I agree.

Janet

[klaasend]

Good Morning, Monkey Family

It felt so GOOD this morning to see that POS in his DUMP of a home cell.
I will now have a WONDERFUL day...ha


back to catching up.

pb

Am I reading correctly??? Is there a pic of Joran in his cell somewhere?????

Good Morning

There was a clip this morning on the Today show of him in his new FABULOUS home.

I'm sure there's a pic somewhere...one of Monkeys will find it and post.

pb

It's probably on You Tube by now.  Try www.youtube.com, search Joran, prison-peru

On the front page of SM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/14/joran-van-der-sloot-welcome-to-castro-castro-prison-just-another-day-in-paradise-jvds-mug-shot/

[Northern Rose]

Good Morning, Monkey Family

It felt so GOOD this morning to see that POS in his DUMP of a home cell.
I will now have a WONDERFUL day...ha


back to catching up.

pb

Am I reading correctly??? Is there a pic of Joran in his cell somewhere?????

Yes, there was a video posted yesterday of him in his cell, his sink, poo hole and of course blankie.

[ozziesmom]

I'd love the know what dates he got money from the FBI, Uri and whomever else, he was in a crappy hotel, and had very little money left by June 2nd...he has a serious gambling problem, and luckily, it seems that will be the reason he get caught for murder...

Isn't life crazy????

Ho ozziesmom.  He didn't get money from the FBI-the monies were private monies.  The FBI arranged & set the sting procedures up.

Sorry Ono, that's what I meant

John Q Kelly handed the money over.  It was arranged with Beth & the FBI.  Go back and read the dateline thing.  I trust John Q Kelly that he is being 100% honest.

Thanks Tyler
I was trying to figure out how much money Joran had at one time...from all the sources..whether he had it together, or at different times...

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot Peruvian jail fears

l poker player Joran van der Sloot accused of killing a young Peruvian woman during a poker tournament too afraid to enter Peru's prisons because of racial reprisal prisoners may receive from Peru.

Joran has promised to confess where you have the body of Natalee Holloway, disappeared in 2005 one of which is suspect, if transferred to another jail in Aruba.

Meanwhile Joran is in the Miguel Castro prison in Lima, where it is isolated from other prisoners for security reasons

http://jugarpokeronline.es/joran-van-der-sloot-teme-a-la-carcel-peruana/

[jjayinthemorning]

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?

So the house that he pointed to for $25000 was the spot? And Tim used sonar and found the skull?
Speculating of course.

[jjayinthemorning]

Joran van der Sloot Peruvian jail fears

l poker player Joran van der Sloot accused of killing a young Peruvian woman during a poker tournament too afraid to enter Peru's prisons because of racial reprisal prisoners may receive from Peru.

Joran has promised to confess where you have the body of Natalee Holloway, disappeared in 2005 one of which is suspect, if transferred to another jail in Aruba.

Meanwhile Joran is in the Miguel Castro prison in Lima, where it is isolated from other prisoners for security reasons

http://jugarpokeronline.es/joran-van-der-sloot-teme-a-la-carcel-peruana/

Joran can't hide in Aruba. He can be killed in Aruba as easily. I suspect Joran is planning an escape from Aruba. It's common for authorities to take a bribe and put a "dummy" in place of the real prisoner.
Even with Paulus dead there are those who owe him and will protect his son forever.

[Northern Rose]

Joram van der Sloot will not eat
Murderer is depressed in prison

The murderer of the young Stephany Flores (21) has proved insecure, frightened and depressed in the first days in prison.

After entering the afternoon of Friday 11 to maximum security prison Miguel Castro Castro, Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, confessed murderer of the young Stephany Ramirez Flores, has been scary and almost no food has proved that he was offered the staff penitentiary police said.

According to their guardians, the Dutchman has spent the first hours locked in his cell two meters by three in which he was placed on admission in the area of prevention. It has not yet been assigned to a flag for safety reasons, and that the murderer would risk being attacked by other inmates.

For this reason, the cell has been confined temporarily with a silo and a pipe, so there's no need to leave. A place where nothing comparable to the alleged luxuries that the Dutchman was on giving.

On the morning of Saturday 12 oat bread breakfast and lunch was served rice with chicken, but the Dutchman just a bite. Significantly, at no time did not leave his cell for fear of other inmates, but the inner demons that haunt him not to leave him alone in his small room.

On the other hand, police said the prison, although it was provided with a mattress, Joran van der Sloot preferred to sleep on the floor. "This attitude will be part of a strategy to achieve by all means serve their sentences outside of Peru on the pretext of fear of being murdered in prison, as already stated?

NEIGHBORS

Meanwhile, in the area of prevention, which has no contact with the other wards of the prison, has as neighbors the former mayor of Pucallpa, Luis Valdez Villacorta, and the Colombian hit man accused of murdering businesswoman Miriam Fefer, Trujillo Alejandro Ospina , who tried to approach the Dutchman, but was immediately whisked away.

MAXIMUM SENTENCE

Joran van der Sloot was detained by order of Judge Juan Buendia, who opened his investigation for murder and theft, crimes for which he could be sentenced up to 35 years in prison, although some doubt give him the maximum sentence.

In his statement before the Dirincri, the Dutchman admitted that he stayed until 5:00 am Sunday May 30 at the Atlantic City Casino Miraflores Stephany Flores and then went together to their hotel accommodations at the TAC in the same district, which was confirmed with the security videos of both sites that have been broadcast on television.

He stated that half an hour after entering the room, he opened his email on his laptop and found a message by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, whose body was found in Aruba in 2005, which was the case for up to two sometimes held in that country.

The Dutchman told the police that after that he said of that case and told Stephany that he was involved in the issue, why, as she recounted "thronged a punch in the temple. "I reacted and I gave him a nudge in the septum. She fainted and he was bleeding. Then I squeezed her neck and choked with shirt ", he said.

Then he went away and fled in his victim's car, leaving in Surco the next day. He then hired a taxi to travel to Ica in the amount of 600 soles. In the city the brothers hired John Williams and John Oswaldo Aparcana Pisconte, and Carlos Euribe parapet, to bring to Chile, who paid with $ 1.000 in cash and a watch, he said, cost $ 7,000.

According to the defendant, worked with carriers despite his escape have told Stephany on crime. Although you can not believe with certainty in the words of a criminal anyway have to corroborate this version, since these individuals may be accused of being accomplices of the murderer escape from the Netherlands and therefore should be accountable to the justice.

http://www.generaccion.com/magazine/articulos/?id=1210

[ozziesmom]

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?

So the house that he pointed to for $25000 was the spot? And Tim used sonar and found the skull?
Speculating of course.

No, IIRC, Tim said they didn't find anything there.. I have no idea where Nancy Grace got this info, and she is the only show reporting it as far as I can tell...The Monkeys usually have the info before she does anyway!

[AnnieMW1]

Interesting why Dave Holloway is in Aruba - either he has new news, is hopeful of getting new news (very, I would guess), or hoping that people on the island might come forward given Joran's  developments.  Just don't see why he would waste his time there unless something substantial in the works...

[SunnyinTX]

See you later Anna.  I'd hate to tell you what our weather has been like.  I haven't been out of my sweatshirt yet this year.

ummmmmm......you must smell really bad, lol.

ROTFLMAO!!!

[TURBOTHINK]

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?

So the house that he pointed to for $25000 was the spot? And Tim used sonar and found the skull?
Speculating of course.

No, IIRC, Tim said they didn't find anything there.. I have no idea where Nancy Grace got this info, and she is the only show reporting it as far as I can tell...The Monkeys usually have the info before she does anyway!

I was thinking that Tim said authorities there did their own search with sonar not him. I know he did one area, but remember when Aruba authorities took over the lobster trap and would not let the original ones searching or Tim around them. They even demanded IIRC that Tim be put off the search boat which started the search

[billb's daughter]

[Steph Watts]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

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NANCY GRACE
Peru Files Murder One Charges on Van Der Sloot
Aired June 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?


Hmm....I think something's up.

Discovered??  Not likely.  The timing is so suspicious.  In my opinion ... Aruban authorities have known where Natalee Holloway's remains have been for the passed 2 1/2 years.  It was Aruban divers who on January 7, 2008 recovered unchallenged the contents of the trap discovered by the Persistence endeavor in Aruban waters.

Thank you Lifesong.  Great Catch!!

+++++++

Yep...Not discovered....Planted for recovery....

IF Nancy Grace's breaking news of June 11th reflects the truth and ... Aruba gives up Natalee's remains ... the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 will continue to remain elusive.  IMO

It is my hope that Joran spends years detained in a Peruvian prison.

Janet
 

Mornin' Monkeys !

I believe the "skull being found" is based on the photo's that were taken by that couple last year ?? If I remember correctly (with my last remaining brain cell) that Rob enhanced the photo's and was confident that the "skull" was just rocks... (sorry Rob, if i'm incorrect...I don't usually like to highlight a poster in case I'm mistaken..I just remember you pointing out a sea snake ect.)

This is old news that for some reason, the media keep presenting as "Breaking News"

If the "skull finding" is about that big trap...I can't say much as that's around the time I lost track of what was going on over there..

Whatever these new developments are and whether or not anything comes from these rumors, I do not believe they are based upon the old pictures from the snorkeling, vacationing couple as previously reported on and dismissed.

JMO

IF Natalee's skull shows up.......it has to be from the cage.....MHO

[SunnyinTX]

Front page of Diario today:

thanks Klaas....how can anita even show her face on the street much less parading around at the bollywood spectacle...............this woman has NO SHAME.....guess we know where joran got that personality trait!!

[Blonde]

Steph Watts]

It has been a relatively quiet weekend on the Island of Aruba. The focus of this story is still on Peru, but that will quickly change this week.  Dave Holloway is on his way to the Island.  He will be here later today.  I know that authorities in Peru are working very hard to get the information they need from Van Der Sloot about where Natalee’s body is.  There are alot of things I can’t discuss now.  I feel like the kid they sat down in front of a giant birthday cake — the adults tell him not to touch the cake — then leave to room.

Tonight live from Aruba at 8:00 p.m. EST with Dave Holloway’s attorney Vinda de Sousa and Former Head of the Houston FBI, Don Clark, with the very latest on the investigation — stick with the source on the ground….ME.

To listen to my show, Blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This, click here.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this

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NANCY GRACE
Peru Files Murder One Charges on Van Der Sloot
Aired June 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/11/ng.01.html

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After reports circulate that Natalee`s skull discovered, as details of Van Der Sloot`s blackmail plot emerge and Aruban authorities head to Peru, has Van Der Sloot admitted his own father, Judge Paulus Van Der Sloot, helped hide Natalee`s body? And is he set from behind the walls of a Peruvian jailhouse to confess to the murder of Natalee Holloway?



What was the last confession Joran made was it the one that Natalee fell off the balcony and hit her head and someone help get rid of her body OR that he pushed her and she fell and hit her  head and died. HELP

[Sea Searcher]

Whatever these new developments are and whether or not anything comes from these rumors, I do not believe they are based upon the old pictures from the snorkeling, vacationing couple as previously reported on and dismissed.

JMO

I hope you're right...this kept on popping up last week or so and everytime I clicked the link, I ended up at the snorkeling couple story..I haven't seen anything "new" from any other media outlet..
If this new Breaking News is true..that would be a nice hurdle to jump on this case. Then one would have to ask "Who found it and where ? "

I'll keep looking for anything to substantiate this new story..

[SunnyinTX]

Dave Holloway back in Aruba - Today show:

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So this photo is TIM MILLER and that reporter

thanks Klaas....and yep mystery solved.....it was the plaid shorts on Tim that through us!  LOL

[ozziesmom]

Natalee Holloway's father seeks answers in Aruba
(AP) – 57 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Natalee Holloway's father is back in Aruba seeking answers about his daughter's disappearance.

A friend of Dave Holloway's says the grieving father is meeting Monday with Aruban prosecutors. He arrived Sunday and is hoping they will have new information now that suspect Joran van der Sloot is jailed for murder in Peru.

Tim Miller tells The Associated Press that he and other volunteers are ready to resume searching for Natalee if there are any new leads.

Holloway and Miller have made many previous trips to Aruba in search of clues about Natalee. The 21-year-old vanished in 2005 on the last night of a high-school graduation trip to the island. She was last seen leaving a bar with Van der Sloot.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jCGR2VXXwy3griJWgDm7CYyYlmKAD9GB4CIO0

[jjayinthemorning]

I was thinking that Tim said authorities there did their own search with sonar not him. I know he did one area, but remember when Aruba authorities took over the lobster trap and would not let the original ones searching or Tim around them. They even demanded IIRC that Tim be put off the search boat which started the search

But on NG last week when Tim was on he was in some remote location... wasn't it Aruba?
So after the cash was handed over by the FBI and Joran drew the house that would be beginning of June, right? Where was Tim in the beginning of June?
The Feds are very good at keeping info tight, could be they did the sonar and made the find. It would be sensible to let the family grieve before the media get ahold of the skull thing.
Feds info doesn't go out on police band so I too wonder where Nancy got the info... unless there was a spy on location...