Lively Case Discussion #664 7/24 - 7/25/2007

[San]

im here  

Cheater

Did you catch the papa frog

[AZLady]

Whatcha wanna talk about?  

[Lala'sMom]

Hi everyone.  I found something in the real Simian posts that caught my attention...wanna see?

[San]

Hi everyone.  I found something in the real Simian posts that caught my attention...wanna see?

Yes please

[2NJSons_Mom]

There was some interesting discussions a day or so ago regarding Joran having his own car, or at least one he was known to drive. I have been thinking about this. Curious if anyone else has any ideas. Do we know or can we determine how many cars were actually owned by the VDS?

I have no doubt Joran drove, but I doubt he had his own car.  I suspect he drove one of the VDS vehicles.  I suppose there could be a 3rd VDS vehicle we don't know about.

I think there was a third car. I know Simian mentioned "the other car", but it could have been PVDS SUV?? Wasn't there a red car, a blue one and what about the silver one PVDS was seen running to franticly. Can anyone confirm?

IIRC the silver car PVDS was running to franticly was borrowed, because
the other cars had been impounded.

Thanks MuffyBee . . . wonder who's car he borrowed? . . . or was it one they didn't realize they owned and was not impounded?? Just thinking out loud . . .

Exactly.

This was what I was thinking....Charles Croes when looking for J2K at lighthouse was told silver car was Joran's..or that is Joran.

That is one of the things that points my thoughts in that direction. If Deepak was known for his car, as it seems he was, why would kids on the beach confuse it with Joran's car? And didn't Charles croes then go on his own little chase after that news??? Maybe to let the VDS know to start cleaning up? Again, JMO and jsut thinking out loud.

Sorry, shadow, I was off looking at maps....this is something that we've discussed here....CC went on a tour before meeting with Beth iirc...but then went to find this car, and time elapsed where there is no proof what occurred...it was said his companion got the license plate, etc....but when Beth & company arrived the car was gone....only to supposedly return after the Radisson trip by all....crazy stuff.

[AZLady]

Yes, please.  Let's tango, Lala's.

[shadow]

Glad you are all still here .  . .

Here's a topic of discussion if anyone is interested. RE the BS report from BOR . . . we don't have an identified source, but what if Natalee was administered pure liquid cocaine either at the bar or after the fact . . . anyone know what the effects would be in combination with alcohol??
Maybe someone in the know is aware of this and is trying to use it as a cause of death, a scapegoat, so to speak. Any ideas or comments?

[shadow]

Hi everyone.  I found something in the real Simian posts that caught my attention...wanna see?

yes, absolutely!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Glad you are all still here .  . .

Here's a topic of discussion if anyone is interested. RE the BS report from BOR . . . we don't have an identified source, but what if Natalee was administered pure liquid cocaine either at the bar or after the fact . . . anyone know what the effects would be in combination with alcohol??
Maybe someone in the know is aware of this and is trying to use it as a cause of death, a scapegoat, so to speak. Any ideas or comments?

I personally don't know but someone mentioned it the other day...liquid cocaine being lethal/potent...

[Lala'sMom]

Now you need to start at the bottom of this page and read upward in order of time.  

151. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nobody is a boob. The alibi needs to be destroyed. Daddy knows who was there. He has answers too.
Posted Jun 24, 10:58 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
152. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Did you ever ask your buddies to cover for you? Would they? Did they ever? Would they do it if they really knew what went on?
Posted Jun 24, 10:55 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
153. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher?
Posted Jun 24, 10:47 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
154. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
Posted Jun 24, 10:45 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
155. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect. Does anyone remember what I said?
Posted Jun 24, 10:43 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post

[shadow]

There was some interesting discussions a day or so ago regarding Joran having his own car, or at least one he was known to drive. I have been thinking about this. Curious if anyone else has any ideas. Do we know or can we determine how many cars were actually owned by the VDS?

I have no doubt Joran drove, but I doubt he had his own car.  I suspect he drove one of the VDS vehicles.  I suppose there could be a 3rd VDS vehicle we don't know about.

I think there was a third car. I know Simian mentioned "the other car", but it could have been PVDS SUV?? Wasn't there a red car, a blue one and what about the silver one PVDS was seen running to franticly. Can anyone confirm?

IIRC the silver car PVDS was running to franticly was borrowed, because
the other cars had been impounded.

Thanks MuffyBee . . . wonder who's car he borrowed? . . . or was it one they didn't realize they owned and was not impounded?? Just thinking out loud . . .

Exactly.

This was what I was thinking....Charles Croes when looking for J2K at lighthouse was told silver car was Joran's..or that is Joran.

That is one of the things that points my thoughts in that direction. If Deepak was known for his car, as it seems he was, why would kids on the beach confuse it with Joran's car? And didn't Charles croes then go on his own little chase after that news??? Maybe to let the VDS know to start cleaning up? Again, JMO and jsut thinking out loud.

Sorry, shadow, I was off looking at maps....this is something that we've discussed here....CC went on a tour before meeting with Beth iirc...but then went to find this car, and time elapsed where there is no proof what occurred...it was said his companion got the license plate, etc....but when Beth & company arrived the car was gone....only to supposedly return after the Radisson trip by all....crazy stuff.

Yeah . . . the whole CC episode is a little fishy to me still! IMO he took the time to let people involved know the family was on the island and ready to find answers.

[shadow]

Glad you are all still here .  . .

Here's a topic of discussion if anyone is interested. RE the BS report from BOR . . . we don't have an identified source, but what if Natalee was administered pure liquid cocaine either at the bar or after the fact . . . anyone know what the effects would be in combination with alcohol??
Maybe someone in the know is aware of this and is trying to use it as a cause of death, a scapegoat, so to speak. Any ideas or comments?

I personally don't know but someone mentioned it the other day...liquid cocaine being lethal/potent...

Me either, but it was mentioned to me and I have been trying to find out myself.

[San]

Glad you are all still here .  . .

Here's a topic of discussion if anyone is interested. RE the BS report from BOR . . . we don't have an identified source, but what if Natalee was administered pure liquid cocaine either at the bar or after the fact . . . anyone know what the effects would be in combination with alcohol??
Maybe someone in the know is aware of this and is trying to use it as a cause of death, a scapegoat, so to speak. Any ideas or comments?

I don't know about liquid cocaine.  But if it was an actualy OD by cocaine they would have been jumping for joy because they would have claimed she did coke and she died.  They can't prove it without a body.  If we fell for this BS story were they planning on giving a body all of a sudden.

[Lala'sMom]

136. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Water reservoirs are being checked right now. Right now. The young one has a history with water reservoirs. [/b]

[2NJSons_Mom]

Now you need to start at the bottom of this page and read upward in order of time.  

151. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nobody is a boob. The alibi needs to be destroyed. Daddy knows who was there. He has answers too.
Posted Jun 24, 10:58 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
152. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Did you ever ask your buddies to cover for you? Would they? Did they ever? Would they do it if they really knew what went on?
Posted Jun 24, 10:55 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
153. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher?
Posted Jun 24, 10:47 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
154. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
Posted Jun 24, 10:45 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
155. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect. Does anyone remember what I said?
Posted Jun 24, 10:43 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post

This makes me think of 'papito's' post about PVDS....and about sweaty PVDS...

[shadow]

Now you need to start at the bottom of this page and read upward in order of time.  

151. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nobody is a boob. The alibi needs to be destroyed. Daddy knows who was there. He has answers too.
Posted Jun 24, 10:58 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
152. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Did you ever ask your buddies to cover for you? Would they? Did they ever? Would they do it if they really knew what went on?
Posted Jun 24, 10:55 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
153. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher?
Posted Jun 24, 10:47 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
154. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
Posted Jun 24, 10:45 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post
155. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect. Does anyone remember what I said?
Posted Jun 24, 10:43 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post

What do you think this means? IMO opinion it points to the elders being the ones that were the ones involved, not the BOYs.

[Lala'sMom]

Simian was connected to ALE in some way...he knew about things and the way he says it makes me think LE.

135. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Dutch are you going soft on me? Thank you Johan!
An entire ring of the young ones friends is being followed. Phones tapped. Computers hacked. The profile of the young one will make him hang.

[Tiger]

Great job,Lala.

[IBE]

IBE ~ could you go to the public library or somewhere and just hang out for several hours?  You could even use the library's computers so you wouldn't suffer Monkey withdrawal.  

Great Idea but I was ill a few mos. back.. late fees on books and videos... Am doing payment plan

I have a dog and cat and want to keep an eye on them too... will be lots of noise, actions, digging, drilling, moving, cranes, et al just 10+ feet away is where they will start. Just don't want one of the wires to hit the trailer===metal===toast.

If I am lucky I will try to make myself sleep until 2pm but I have to move my car at 6:20 am...; but then again, if the work site is interesting and they are all good looking,  I might sit with the dog on a leash and the cat in the carrier in my rocker on the front porch.. usually a good view of the back of an industrial building and the the hills of the cemetery!

BT has her sock monkeys in SF... I could have my vacation at the S. CA Edison work site!! Then you can get coverage from both N. CA and Southern CA. Klaas could show here plants on the hills that need water as a "breaking news feature". Except for a few minutes last week, I don't think we have had any rain since March.

Figure they will have some big trucks and cranes here in front of my home. If I were still a Hoosier, I'd be making cookies for them and giving them cold drinks... now I don't know where my stove is HA HA I love big trucks.

Most of my neighbors have cleaned our their refridges. oh heck.. ice boxes.. I haven't... some spoiled things in there... the milk I can put into the freezer for some minutes and then keep drinking it. If I get too hot, I'll clean out the refg.... at least that would be a cool 15 mins or so. sticking my head in there.

Maybe the ocean will give us a breeze. The most exciting thing so far was how they drilled horizontally under and between the trailers. oops mobile homes.. and pulled the pipes through. This used to be where Roy Rogers had his horses, then a campground and there are all kinds of pipes they found that weren't picked up with their underground tracking devices. Good working bunch tho. Real smart, nice, clean and gentlemanly and young, good looking. Of course, I was told that  

They are, after tomorrow, even going to show me a place around my trailer that I can transplant my tomatoes without any more digging getting to them. The plants I bought died. These are from seeds of me eating the last year's tomatoes just off the vines.

OK.. beginning of the 12 hr count down. Darn, I had a generator, but someone in  a move it disappeared.

[San]

Simian was connected to ALE in some way...he knew about things and the way he says it makes me think LE.

135. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Dutch are you going soft on me? Thank you Johan!
An entire ring of the young ones friends is being followed. Phones tapped. Computers hacked. The profile of the young one will make him hang.

Wire taps.  Is this what Senator Bachus was referring to.

Joran's tickle profile did make him hang with all the pictures.