Natalee Case Discussion #838 6/12/10 -6/14/10

[Lifesong]

Well, Lifesong, it sounds like he saw the light.

Heheheheh.  Yeah, I'm assuming he's either married, has a daughter or both.  That's going to rule out a lot of attorneys.

I think Joe T. should be forced to represent him.

[Tylergal]

Joran Van der Sloot is left without defense counsel

Maximum Highness Navarro reported that in the coming days will the legal defense of confessed murderer of Stephanie Ramirez Flores.

"Relatives of Joran Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "said Navarro Highness.

On the other hand, according to police versions Dutchman has proven insecure and depressed since he was admitted to the prison, consuming only food that gives the staff of INPE.

Joran Van der Sloot was detained by order of Judge Juan Buendia Valenzuela, who opened his investigation for murder, so he could be sentenced to 35 years in prison.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/nacionales/1276538346.php

If Anita plans on being in Peru while Beth is there, she needs a shrink instead of a media advisor. I saw that the translation says Anita is unable to go to Peru, so I'm not sure whether she's going or not?

I have the feeling that Anita doesn't really feel an urgency in regard to Joran's situation. If Richard Gear has priority, that speaks volumes!

Greg Jarret (FOX) just said that the US could claim jurisdiction for capital murder charges for Natalee to have Joran sent to US after he serves his time in Peru. Natalee was a US citizen and there is a provision to do that.

I saw that also and I had heard that years ago, very early on in the case, maybe June 2005, that he could be brought to the USA, possibly Alabama, to stand trial.  Alabama does have the death penalty so the sporter will be in deep doodoo here.

[Tylergal]

Jean Casarez is reporting periodically from Peru on HLN and answering questions.  Says Joran is in the cell right next to the Colombian hit man and that they talk.  She says that Joran is let out for TV viewing one hour a day with the hitman.  
You can call in and ask questions of Ms Casarez.....someone said that his passport should be checked for where he was on each anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and see if there are missing girls....good idea

If I were one of the many folks in Aruba that participated in the cover-up and have information, possibly on him, I'd be a wee bit nervous that he's becoming cozy in prison with a hitman, yikes.

They may be setting him up with the hit man to talk, and if he lies to the hit man, well....touche.

[Tylergal]

Whoopi Goldberg Calls Joran Van Der Sloot a 'Piece of Dog Mess'

Even a broken clock...

That's what I'm sayin'!!! LOL

[Dragnet]

Jean Casarez is reporting periodically from Peru on HLN and answering questions.  Says Joran is in the cell right next to the Colombian hit man and that they talk.  She says that Joran is let out for TV viewing one hour a day with the hitman.  
You can call in and ask questions of Ms Casarez.....someone said that his passport should be checked for where he was on each anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and see if there are missing girls....good idea

If I were one of the many folks in Aruba that participated in the cover-up and have information, possibly on him, I'd be a wee bit nervous that he's becoming cozy in prison with a hitman, yikes.

They may be setting him up with the hit man to talk, and if he lies to the hit man, well....touche.

An even better possibility!

[MisGivings]

Jean Casarez is reporting periodically from Peru on HLN and answering questions.  Says Joran is in the cell right next to the Colombian hit man and that they talk.  She says that Joran is let out for TV viewing one hour a day with the hitman.  
You can call in and ask questions of Ms Casarez.....someone said that his passport should be checked for where he was on each anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and see if there are missing girls....good idea

If I were one of the many folks in Aruba that participated in the cover-up and have information, possibly on him, I'd be a wee bit nervous that he's becoming cozy in prison with a hitman, yikes.

They may be setting him up with the hit man to talk, and if he lies to the hit man, well....touche.

Am wondering if this hit man is in need of any money? After all, we all know Joran is never going to tell the truth about what happened to Natalee.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

Thanks for posting the Kyle Kingman report...I had left for a while around that time and was never able to catch up on what had happened with the cage..that sums it up nicely

SS

SS

The document was compiled by me ... not Kyle Kingman.  The Kyle Kingman quotes were submitted to the SM forum by Kermit.  Kyle had shared his perspective regarding the happenings on board the Persistence to a private forum.

Janet

Ok...so these aren't posts made here by Kyle (oceanexplorer) ? but to another forum ?

Last I remembered...that Kyle was posting here, and the Persistence had to return home due to lack of funds but said they would return...I know a lot happened between then and now from scanning quickly some of the posts here now and then, but I could never follow it..

Is there a separate thread for the whole Kyle/Persistence story ??

TIA

SS

The quotes in the document were not submitted to the SM forum by  oceanexploration.  The quotes were submitted to a private forum by Kyle and brought over to SM.  For the most part ... oceanexploration revealed very little  of his concerns in his postings on the SM forum regarding the underlying dynamics encompassing the issue of the trap.

The former administrator (jen3560) of the Natalee's Freebirds shares an overview with the SM forum regarding what was behind the decision to expose what appeared to be a Persistence betrayal.  It is an excellent read.

Janet

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 -
« Reply #411 on: December 30, 2008, 06:53:44 PM »

Sent to me by Natalee's Freebirds:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4269.msg603349#msg603349

[seemeatthebeach]

Though van der Sloot is being kept separated from other prisoners, "isolation is relative because infrastructure is not ready and adapted to separate convicts," says Puccio, who also provided an example of how this isolation works: "They have to stay at the auditorium alone, and when that place has to be used, they are taken to a garden or an office. There isn't a proper isolation system like there is in the United States."

*SNIPPED*

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20393769,00.html

[SunnyinTX]

Click on the photo below

hahahahahaha.............Klaas!!

[crazybabyborg]

Joran Van der Sloot is left without defense counsel

Maximum Highness Navarro reported that in the coming days will the legal defense of confessed murderer of Stephanie Ramirez Flores.

"Relatives of Joran Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "said Navarro Highness.

On the other hand, according to police versions Dutchman has proven insecure and depressed since he was admitted to the prison, consuming only food that gives the staff of INPE.

Joran Van der Sloot was detained by order of Judge Juan Buendia Valenzuela, who opened his investigation for murder, so he could be sentenced to 35 years in prison.

http://www.24horas.com.pe/nacionales/1276538346.php

If Anita plans on being in Peru while Beth is there, she needs a shrink instead of a media advisor. I saw that the translation says Anita is unable to go to Peru, so I'm not sure whether she's going or not?

I have the feeling that Anita doesn't really feel an urgency in regard to Joran's situation. If Richard Gear has priority, that speaks volumes!

Greg Jarret (FOX) just said that the US could claim jurisdiction for capital murder charges for Natalee to have Joran sent to US after he serves his time in Peru. Natalee was a US citizen and there is a provision to do that.

I saw that also and I had heard that years ago, very early on in the case, maybe June 2005, that he could be brought to the USA, possibly Alabama, to stand trial.  Alabama does have the death penalty so the sporter will be in deep doodoo here.

It's the first thing I've seen that makes me wish, a little, for him to survive Castro Castro!  Either way, Joran will never see Aruba again.

[Tylergal]

Stephany Flores Family demands life sentence

Edward Alvarez, attorney for the family of Stephany, said new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. Meanwhile, the defense of the Netherlands reported that leave the case.

Flores Stephany's family demand through his lawyer, Edward Alvarez, the penalty of life imprisonment for the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the girl, who since last Friday is being held in a cell of the Miguel Castro personal Castro.

Counsel contended that new evidence and testimony presented to support that the motive was robbery. He argues that the indictment for murder, the foreigner would get a very light sentence and could go free in about eight years.

'The police report is weak and insufficient because only are based on the demonstration of the Netherlands. We present new evidence and testimony revealed that the motive for the crime would have been robbery, "said by the newspaper Peru 21.

According reflects the average Stephany's family insists that she would have earned about $ 10,000, proceeds from their poker games, but that money was not found in the pickup of the girl or the crime scene.

'If it is established that he committed robbery followed by death, Joran receive life imprisonment. In addition, lack of information on the laptop, which is crucial to know whether or not a message received on the case of Aruba, "he explained.

Alvarez also said he requested the crossing of information from cell phone calls Stephany, and indicated that they will have the testimony of a journalist who followed the Aruba case of American Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance occurred in May 2005 is involved Van der Sloot.

Advocate leave if Van der Sloot

The Dutchman's lawyer, Max Highness Navarro, told El Comercio that will leave the legal defense of the accused for murder.

'Relatives of Van der Sloot will come to Lima on Tuesday or Wednesday and sought a new lawyer. My family has had many problems and I'm away from this case, "he said.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-14-familia-de-stephany-flores-exige-cadena-perpetua-para-van-der-sloot-noticia_272154.html

Now, I am wondering if that looney tune, Julia Renfro, or the equally looney Medley Relay, is going to be the journalist of record.  Oh, dear God.  Does the insanity ever end?  If it is Renfro, she will have special rewards for LE to assure they are good to her main man, Joran.

[Tylergal]

Most peruvians are very traditional people and they have extreme respect for mothers and grandmothers. They will not see Anita as a problem until she starts defending the monster. Most Peruvians don’t know about this woman.
I am corious if Stephany 's father and brother know about all the documentation the monkeys made during the last 5 years.

I love the sense of Family south of our borders.. If Americans have anything to learn from South America it is that sense.. I think a lot of America has lost that or never owned it in the first place.

Anita and her sons do not own it..They simply survive.

Edward, I totally agree with you.  I think Anita's sense of family has ties to Amsterdam.

[Edward]

Anita reminds me of John Gardners, mom.."Amber Dubois murderer" now that I have her to compare.

Anita has no conscience for anyone except her own and will support Joran no matter what.

Now about that handshake and promise Paulus made to Dave about his support for Joran..
God called Paulus for a confrence...
Then handed him over to a lost and fallen angel. :}
Now his son is dealing with the fallen Angel in Castro Prison.
Life is a bitch and then you die.

[MisGivings]

"Says Joran is in the cell right next to the Colombian hit man and that they talk.  She says that Joran is let out for TV viewing one hour a day with the hitman."

Wouldn't it be funny if this guy wasn't in to soccer? Or the TV time is between 5-6pm when there is really nothing on?

[klaasend]

Tylergal - fairly certain the journalist he is referring to there is Greta.  Greta is in Peru right now and just interviewed Stephany's family yesterday.

[carpe noctem]

If Anita went to Peru they would have to issue her a flak jacket and teach her how to run the zig zag pattern.

These people are ANGRY.

[Edward]

Just wonderful that Joran gets to chat with a Mafia Hit Man.. Somebody for Joran to look up too.
Gee Wiz..
We will have a terrorist on our hands when he gets out at age 79

[klaasend]

Joran van der Sloot in pictures

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/7827240/Joran-van-der-Sloot-in-pictures.html

Nice clear photos, thanks!

[Lifesong]

If Anita went to Peru they would have to issue her a flak jacket and teach her how to run the zig zag pattern.

These people are ANGRY.

Nice visual!  I like it.

[Northern Rose]

Joran Ta Doño Di Un Coffee-Shop Na Thailandia

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Revelacionnan a cuminza sali for di rond mundo, relaciona cu e “yiu ehemplar” cu tanto Anita y defunto Paulus van der Sloot a cria riba e mundo aki!  Joran a resulta di ta doño di un coffee-shop, cu ta te na otro banda di mundo.

   Pues, ademas di ta adicto na Gambling, na Pornografia, y tambe di ta vacila mucha muhernan, y kizas hasta mata nan… e ta comerciante tambe!

   Pero e lo ta un comerciante masha malo mes, pasobra apenas lunanan pasa e tabata hambra pa placa!

   Aki por mira studiantenan di Thailand University ta canando pafor di “Sawadee Cup” restaurant, cu ta net pafor di Bangkok, Thailandia.



   E potret aki, segun Associated Press, ta di e coffeeshop cu ta pertenece na Joran van der Sloot, kende awor ta encarcela na Peru.

   Awor cu e ta sinti rosea cayente na su garganta na Peru, awor si diripiente e kier revela unda e curpa di Natalee ta dera, kibrando asina cu tur e teorianan fracasa den pasado di hendenan local manera Julie, Miriam, y John.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/joran-ta-dono-di-un-coffee-shop-na-thailandia/comment-page-1/