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Thanks 2NJ, I was slacking  ::MonkeyWink::

                           



                             JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

 ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas, Dottie wanted someone to post the trap pics. 

Mine are not all together, do you have yours handy? 

TIA

Not really but let me see what I can do.

Klaas, Dottie wanted someone to post the trap pics. 

Mine are not all together, do you have yours handy? 

TIA

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

Carry on, monkeys. 

Nite 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::

Dottie,

Look here.  Blonde has many pics on this thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.0

I just grabbed a bunch of the trap pics I have.  There may be a couple of duplicates in this group.  Pay attention to the date/time stamp:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/TrapCloseup.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trap2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trap2a.jpg)


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trap3.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trap5.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trap6.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trapkerm.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trapkerm1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/trapkerm2-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyCool::

We'll never know now will we? ::MonkeyRoll::

Unbelievable  ::MonkeyNoNo::

TM,
Thank you for the pictures of Natalee. I look forward to seeing them every night.
Natalee was a real person, with a loving family. She lost her life while vacationing in aruba may 2005.
We will never forget! Justice for Natalee aruba.....we won't go away....

I'm back.Was just taking a look at all those people on the Persistence.Pisses me off to no end to believe that there was not one person on that ship who cared enough about a girl or her parents! ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm pissed off too KTF!   ::MonkeyWaa::

TM,
Thank you for the pictures of Natalee. I look forward to seeing them every night.
Natalee was a real person, with a loving family. She lost her life while vacationing in aruba may 2005.
We will never forget! Justice for Natalee aruba.....we won't go away....

Dave and Beth Holloway are the epitome of wonderful people!As the parent of a 9yr old daughter i must say i would not have been so wonderful.I would have hired and trained with a para-military group and enlisted the services of BILLB....You know the rest of the Story BillB! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

My husband has said some very similar things....  ::MonkeyCool::

You've got a good husband TM! ::MonkeyDance::

Just flippin through the pages of BonDia....

I couldn't get it to load earlier, got mad and quit!  Maybe I'll try again!   ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe some interesting stuff about Miguel Maduro.I think they accepted somthing??TM can read it much better.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night texasmom, Keepthefaith, 2NJSons_Mom and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
We are all here for the right reasons...Natalee is everyone's daughter. I can't help but think of my 3 daughters when I think of Natalee, Beth, Dave, and their families...
The efforts the Monkeys put forth for Natalee truly touches my heart....
Justice WILL be served!

   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #801 2/18 -Tamikosmom
« Reply #900 on: February 20, 2009, 08:49:12 PM »
Kermit ... I believe this quote is very important but ... I cannot locate it.  I went to CAPS profile and the following post shows as his very first submission to the SM forum.  I tried googling ... thinking that it may have been a Front Page comment but ... nothing.

Could the post regarding the "remains" have been deleted upon request

Good Night texasmom, Keepthefaith, 2NJSons_Mom and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
We are all here for the right reasons...Natalee is everyone's daughter. I can't help but think of my 3 daughters when I think of Natalee, Beth, Dave, and their families...
The efforts the Monkeys put forth for Natalee truly touches my heart....
Justice WILL be served!

Caps first post on the front page of SM from an Aruban IP:
Dec 20, 11:08 PM
A post a few days later from a different Aruban IP:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4328.msg605914

Remains were taken Jan 7th.
(it was a typo Ms. Janet, sorry for the confusion)

Kermit.Is this the boat that they leased back?

http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/boats.html

Might be an old page.Sorry! ::MonkeyConfused::

Must be hard to type with LiL' Froggy Fingers.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Good night.

Good night.

Goodnight everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Good morning, Monkeys! One more troubling aspect to Caps' "cut into pieces" theory: When you hide a body in 3-4 different places , you increase the liklihood that it would be found by 3-4 fold!

GOOD MORNING ALL!!

Janet
7:25 AM PM

Well ... early this morning (4:00 am) some loud moments ... crashing sounds ... downstairs from my youngest son's former room.  I was petrified so ... I woke my husband.  He listened for about two minutes before getting up the nerve to go down and check.  He claimed he was assessing the situation but ... I could tell he was somewhat scared too.  PRIDE!!

Anyways ... after a couple of minutes hubby called and told me to bring one of of his smaller fishing nets.  A bat had fallen down the chimney into the fireplace and was ... flying all over the room in a panic.

At the moment the creepy little creature is lying in the grass in the backyard.  I do not think it will survive the ordeal.

Hubby's project for the day.  Building a screen to block that fireplace openting.

Well ... long story short ... I could not get back to sleep and ... I do believe I am headed back to bed now to catch some shut eye.

Later, Janet
8:00 AM PT

Well ... early this morning (4:00 am) some loud moments ... crashing sounds ... downstairs from my youngest son's former room.  I was petrified so ... I woke my husband.  He listened for about two minutes before getting up the nerve to go down and check.  He claimed he was assessing the situation but ... I could tell he was somewhat scared too.  PRIDE!!

Anyways ... after a couple of minutes hubby called and told me to bring one of of his smaller fishing nets.  A bat had fallen down the chimney into the fireplace and was ... flying all over the room in a panic.

At the moment the creepy little creature is lying in the grass in the backyard.  I do not think it will survive the ordeal.

Hubby's project for the day.  Building a screen to block that fireplace openting.

Well ... long story short ... I could not get back to sleep and ... I do believe I am headed back to bed now to catch some shut eye.

Later, Janet
8:00 AM PT

Well ... early this morning (4:00 am) some loud moments ... crashing sounds ... downstairs from my youngest son's former room.  I was petrified so ... I woke my husband.  He listened for about two minutes before getting up the nerve to go down and check.  He claimed he was assessing the situation but ... I could tell he was somewhat scared too.  PRIDE!!

Anyways ... after a couple of minutes hubby called and told me to bring one of of his smaller fishing nets.  A bat had fallen down the chimney into the fireplace and was ... flying all over the room in a panic.

At the moment the creepy little creature is lying in the grass in the backyard.  I do not think it will survive the ordeal.

Hubby's project for the day.  Building a screen to block that fireplace openting.

Well ... long story short ... I could not get back to sleep and ... I do believe I am headed back to bed now to catch some shut eye.

Later, Janet
8:00 AM PT

Good Morning, Monkeys!

I've been in the old threads from a year ago, 2-26-08 to 3-02-08.  It's heartbreaking to read back through, really.

But, I need some help this morning...here's a quote from Silvetti posted at BFN:  "Louis Schaefer committed a very generous amount of money towards the survey and the rest of us absorbed what we could.  However, that was all based on the initial survey grid.  Once the grid tripled, obviously so did our committments." (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334989#msg334989)

I've not yet found any "official" explanation as to why the initial survey grid was tripled. 

Can anyone help me out with this?

I tried to sleep but ... sleep would not come.  Hubby was sawing logs which made me kindda jealous sooo .... prior to getting up again ... I gave him a shove and then ... pretended to be sleeping.  Now we are both up.  Fair is fair.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am baaaad.  Sooo baaaad.

Anyways ... I think I will do a clean sweep of that violated room today.

Janet

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey, baaad is o.k.!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

Wasn't there something about a statement from Deepak....and then John Silvetti and "Captain Jim Graves" went out in the dinghy to determine how far out they might have gone...?

I may have it confused.  I've been trying to look for information, but I'm backing up right now so everything is at a snail's pace.  I'm going to be out for a while, if no ones posted anything to help; I'll look more when I get back.

Well ... early this morning (4:00 am) some loud moments ... crashing sounds ... downstairs from my youngest son's former room.  I was petrified so ... I woke my husband.  He listened for about two minutes before getting up the nerve to go down and check.  He claimed he was assessing the situation but ... I could tell he was somewhat scared too.  PRIDE!!

Anyways ... after a couple of minutes hubby called and told me to bring one of of his smaller fishing nets.  A bat had fallen down the chimney into the fireplace and was ... flying all over the room in a panic.

At the moment the creepy little creature is lying in the grass in the backyard.  I do not think it will survive the ordeal.

Hubby's project for the day.  Building a screen to block that fireplace openting.

Well ... long story short ... I could not get back to sleep and ... I do believe I am headed back to bed now to catch some shut eye.

Later, Janet
8:00 AM PT

Janet pushing ????????

First spitting and now this??????????   ::MonkeyShocked::



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love it ! too cute Janet, you are too cute !

texasmom ... is the following what you are thinking about.  Nothing about Deepak but ...

Janet

++++++

XIV. The Search Area
Fri 25-Jan 0950 hrs

Special Notice:
By John Silvetti-

The original search area surveyed by the R/V Persistence was selected based on numerous pieces of information provided by Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, investigations, interrogations, depositions and other information from local authorities. After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis. Several targets in this first survey grid yet remain to be investigated by ROV which will occur in approximately one week when ROV dive operations recommence.

Selection of the next area, the “Extended Search Area”, was based on one single piece of information, a reported confession by one of the three suspects. This confession, as relayed to the survey team, has some credence. It involves the same type of disposal scenario, but better defines the search area. This information in combination with the weather patterns observed by the survey team since our arrival on December 15th left only one boundary to define. The team needed to observe the island from offshore on a small vessel at night to determine this boundary. Sounds easy….huh?

After 2 unsuccessful attempts using a local vessel due to fuel and mechanical problems, the decision was made to utilize the R/V Persistence’s Rescue Boat, the “Avon”. The Avon is a 16’ center console inflatable vessel powered by a 70 hp Daihatsu engine. Prior to dark, the Avon was launched from the Persistence and piloted to the Holiday Inn Pier by Captain Jim Graves. Later that evening, John Silvetti boarded the vessel with Capt. Graves, transited to the start point, and commenced an offshore run documenting the time and vessel position with a WAAS enabled hand-held GPS system. At one mile out, radio communications were confirmed with the Persistence. At six miles out, radio communications were again confirmed along with spot light identification as the Avon crossed astern of the Persistence. It was somewhere shortly after this point that Murphy boarded the Avon!

The weather was very similar to the recorded weather of late May, 2005. The seas were running 4-6’ with swells of 6-8’. It was rough for an Avon! Upon reaching the final destination point while documenting the final position, the engine sputtered and stalled. It never started again! Approximately 30 minutes of effort to restart the engine was fruitless. I believe that is when we noticed that we were taking on water! HELLO HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

As we watched Aruba disappear over the horizon, contemplating our broken engine, a vessel taking on water and the fact that we are about to enact the emergency contingencies of our procedures, Capt. Graves stated, “ I am sure glad that it is so dark!” I took the bait. Why? Because I believe we would be scared to death if we could see how big these waves are! Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Silence. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Five minutes of silence. Back up frequency. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 09 ..over! Five minutes of silence. VHF comms failure. Ya gotta love Murphy.

Thanks to the support of Coast Guard Curacao, Aruban Port Authority and some unbelievable cell phone coverage, the Persistence plucked us out of the water approximately 16 miles offshore Aruba. We had acquired a tremendous amount of information to determine the last boundary and learned a few lessons:

1) Never use your lower back to absorb the shock of pounding seas when you are fat and out of shape.
2) Never get fat and out of shape.
3) No matter how complete and thorough your safety procedures are, never count Murphy out!

-John Silvetti

http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Believe me ... there is nothing cute about a 62 year old granny walking across the back property at 4:00 AM in the morning in boots and her flannel nighty to an out building that contains about a zillion fish nets.  I was thinking some very unChristian thoughts as I was attempting to determine what was a "small" net.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Well ... early this morning (4:00 am) some loud moments ... crashing sounds ... downstairs from my youngest son's former room.  I was petrified so ... I woke my husband.  He listened for about two minutes before getting up the nerve to go down and check.  He claimed he was assessing the situation but ... I could tell he was somewhat scared too.  PRIDE!!

Anyways ... after a couple of minutes hubby called and told me to bring one of of his smaller fishing nets.  A bat had fallen down the chimney into the fireplace and was ... flying all over the room in a panic.

At the moment the creepy little creature is lying in the grass in the backyard.  I do not think it will survive the ordeal.

Hubby's project for the day.  Building a screen to block that fireplace openting.

Well ... long story short ... I could not get back to sleep and ... I do believe I am headed back to bed now to catch some shut eye.

Later, Janet
8:00 AM PT

Yes it is cute, very cute. Cute as me filling my bird feeder last night in my jammies which consisted of my thermal bootie slippers from restoration hardware, Rick's thermal shirt (which I often sleep in), and my velour warm up suit pants. It's chilly for the south this weekend and I gave up on glitz and glamour long ago! Luckily I have wonderful neighbors who forgive my bedhead when I take the doggie out at 5am in the morning too  ::MonkeyHaHa::

next time I want a photo ! YOU ARE TOO CUTE !

Keepthefaith ... you were missing in action last night.  Big date with your sweetie?

Next weekend hubby and I are headed down your way with three other couples from our church to see the Lion King production.  One couple is in charge of all the arrangements.  Although ... I do not know all the details ... I am excited already.

 ::cartwheel::

Janet
9:40 AM PT

While eldest grandsons have just arrived for an afternoon at Mama and Papas.

They have been afforded two hours by their parents to play computer games.    Considering we only have two computers ... mine and youngest son's old one ... I will have to forfeit mine.

Later, Janet

 

Good Morning, Monkeys!

I've been in the old threads from a year ago, 2-26-08 to 3-02-08.  It's heartbreaking to read back through, really.

But, I need some help this morning...here's a quote from Silvetti posted at BFN:  "Louis Schaefer committed a very generous amount of money towards the survey and the rest of us absorbed what we could.  However, that was all based on the initial survey grid.  Once the grid tripled, obviously so did our committments." (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334989#msg334989)

I've not yet found any "official" explanation as to why the initial survey grid was tripled. 

Can anyone help me out with this?

We live on property so ... fortunately the back of our yard is not visible to any of the neighbours.

Rick's shirt ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I realize that hubby and I are getting on in years and ... when I attempt to comprehend life without him ... I just cannot go there.  I have a great relationship with all three of my grown kids but ... when all is said and done ... they all have their own lives and ... that is the way it should be.

None ... my heart breaks for you and ... it breaks for Peaches' hubby.  Sometimes ... life just does not seem fair.  I wish I understood the ways of our absolute God.  However ... if we mortals understood the ways of God ... He would not be God.  Does that make sense?  I realized that trust in the ways of our Heavenly Father is where it is at ... trust that He knows what is best for His precious children.

Hugs

Janet.

903 on: Today at 08:56:28 PM  SAN  pg 46
Why would they want to not question this persons motives.  They came on with both guns drawn and refused to answer certain questions. Why?  Why are they covering for these people all of a sudden.  Is someone related to one of these individuals that we don't know of
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.900
 
 #904 on: Today at 08:59:53 PM   ktf
In my personal opinion.Some of these posters are either related or work for these people
 
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POSTER related or work for these people?

Smith, Halliburton, and Hughes are top oil drilling companies in the US.  I know this for sure because of personal experience.      Cheyney = Halliburton   Did our VP pop into Aruba to discuss some geological surveys before TES left?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg545029#msg545029
 

November 06, 2008, 10:08:08 PM 
Thirty-two years ago, I lived In Isfahan, Iran for two years[/b].  The left hand was used for toilet functions because their bathroom facilities are very different than ours are.  They don't use toilet paper
//http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3697.msg527697#msg527697
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3697.msg527697#msg527697
 

Think about it IRAN = BIG OIL

Iran is set to sell stakes in Isfahan and Trabiz refineries,

LOOK at the second paragraph where Iran is going to privatize 45 companies.
 IT's all about OIL companies in Iran.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=36256518

Now look at this:
These pensions, which include New York City’s five main funds and the California Public Employees’ Retirement System, hold $3.7 billion worth of shares in energy companies involved in Iran, out of a total $570 billion in assets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/business/worldbusiness/25fund.html


WHERE IS ISFAHAN:
Isfahan or Esfahan (historically also rendered as Ispahan, Old Persian Aspadana, Middle Persian Spahan, Persian اصفهان) located about 340 km south of Tehran is Iran (Persia)'s third largest city. Isfahan has been designated by UNESCO as a world heritage city. It contains a wide variety of Islamic Architectural sites ranging from the 11th century to the 19th.

Congressman Sherman Says Iran More Likely to Nuke Isfahan than Israel
http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=480&Itemid=2

IRAN SIGNS GAS DEAL WITH HALLIBURTON SUBSIDIARY. U.S. oil-services company Halliburton has won a tender to drill in two phases of the South Pars gas field, Iranian state television reported on 9 January. "Some American officials have shares in Halliburton," state television added, without providing any names.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/3-170105.htm
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Good morning, Monkeys! One more troubling aspect to Caps' "cut into pieces" theory: When you hide a body in 3-4 different places , you increase the liklihood that it would be found by 3-4 fold!

Interesting to note when some posters first started posting at SM.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Interesting to note when some posters first started posting at SM.  ::MonkeyRoll::

I think anybody is fair game in this Tragedy.It is interesting that some have disappeared for the moment! ::MonkeyCool::

I was looking at said poster's nickname and possible initials.

In reference to Iran?

POSTER related or work for these people?

Smith, Halliburton, and Hughes are top oil drilling companies in the US.  I know this for sure because of personal experience.      Cheyney = Halliburton   Did our VP pop into Aruba to discuss some geological surveys before TES left?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg545029#msg545029

I find the SS references interesting.  Didn't she start posting here about the same
time as Caps?

She said that she never believed that it was Natalee in the cage/trap,
but she did.....on the same page as CBB's enhancement of the skull and tennis shoe.

I was apart of one conversation regarding that being Air Force 2.Some where so admant against it.IIRC.Forget who they were.

I'm still just as perplexed today!If True.Whom is Paulus,as well as Antonio Carlo doing contracts for as well as laundering money!With common sense and logic it would have been so simple to give NATALEE HOLLOWAY JUSTICE.Why compound the problem if Paulus isn't one of the Perps??

I was one of those against it. I do not believe it was Cheney. I think it was State Department officials monitoring Chavez.

Interesting to note when some posters first started posting at SM.  ::MonkeyRoll::

I don't think it was necessarily Cheney.As the Persistence endeavor Wreck.Could this trip be two-fold?

you can click on a poster's name and see their "join date".  ::MonkeyWink::

While eldest grandsons have just arrived for an afternoon at Mama and Papas.

They have been afforded two hours by their parents to play computer games.    Considering we only have two computers ... mine and youngest son's old one ... I will have to forfeit mine.

Later, Janet

 

Meaning the Persistence was working for our CIA/State Department??? That is another whole can of worms -- I cannot fathom. (  ::MonkeyShocked::SURELY NOT!!!!!)

What do you think Johan555 and Bastibro? ::MonkeyWink::

What do you think Johan555 and Bastibro? ::MonkeyWink::

Huh sorry, i wasn`t paying attention ::MonkeyWink::
Think about what?

If you wanted to expand your business/company and say you also want to lessen or eliminate your taxes which would increase your profits, yes? Perhaps a person tells you I know someone, call this guy. You make the call one day and this guy in Aruba says, For a price, we can set up your business here. Afterall, look at how many of those businesses are out of apts in Aruba and they sell their art or whatever on the fly to tourists, right? So the magic would is "How much will it cost me?" Maybe the Aruba contract man that is setting it all up says a flat rate or maybe he takes a percentage of your business. Either way, you're in.
You've got profits, you don't pay taxes, but you pay a price for setting up this business. Now, lets say, someone comes along and wants to question your taxes. You are not going to tell anyone how you set this all up because you knew it was illegal. You make a quick call to your contact in Aruba, he covers your buttinsky. You are now invovled in the web. And you are also involved in the washing machine of money laundering.

Joe Blow and his wife Nancy are on a cruise, they arrive at the stop off of Aruba, they like to blow some money in the casinos cuz Joe Blow is a big whale. He and his wife win money, lots of it, and they take that money and go to the bank to exchange the florins for Francs since they will be returning to their country. The bank takes the florins and gives them Francs, yes! That money is now taken off to another country and deposited back in Joe and Nancy Blows bank account in another country. It smells dirty, but it's not traced.

You on the other hand have money coming in and so you make a deposit where? Not back in the States, but in an account you set up in Aruba. The money might be drug money from someone that purchased a large item from your store. YOU deposited in the Aruba bank. That bank has it's own network with gov't people on the boards of directors so it has control over the bank. It also has as attorney's Antonio Carlos. The money is washed through the bank that is owned by mafia and controlled by gov't people, hoteliers etc.

Is tourism their number one thing in Aruba? Yep, they help wash money.
And they helped your business venture in Aruba and that helps you not pay high taxes which gives you more profits and you were never the wiser. Do they love American businessmen? Sure. Ask Silvetti, he wanted to set up an office there so he could do business with South America. Could be innocent venture. After mapping for oil. I don't know. What do you think?

Yes it is. And they were so knowledgeable about Shango that they jumped right in to, ya know, help solve the riddle.

Joe Blow doesn't sound like a French name.   ::MonkeyTongue::

As the Froggy also said!Watch the patterns..... ::MonkeyCool::

ktf,

Kermit.Is this the boat that they leased back?
http://www.underwaterexpeditions.com/boats.html

I think the boat you are thinking of was the one that Superior Offshore sold and then leased back with Hornbeck?
and the boats here are the ones that were part of the fishing fleet that he bought
 
Published January 4, 2008
FREEPORT — As longtime owners of the charter fishing tour boats of Captain Elliott’s Party Boats pull out of the recreational fishing business — the new owner, Underwater Expeditions, is baiting their hooks.

Last January, the owners of Captain Elliott’s said they would be closing shop due to lack of profit and increased restrictions on red snapper fishing, their main attraction.
Since then, Kemah resident Louis Schaefer, chairman of Superior Offshore International Inc., a worldwide commercial diving company, has bought the two boats and is expected to close on a deal to buy the docks and buildings next month, said Casey Cundieff, vice president of Captain Elliott’s.
The first trip is scheduled for Jan. 18. They’ll be taking out the “Big E”, which can carry 105 people, on a 52-hour tour out for yellow and black fin tuna, said ship captain and Freeport resident Robert Poulsen.

“It’s going to be a lot of fun,” Poulsen said.
 

SS       Scared Monkey    joined 2008-03-02     post 3214   

Update 2 of the Timeline is posted here. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4578.msg684032#msg684032)


Thanks for the sticky, Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::

Update 1

12/18/2006
Superior Offshore International has announced the acquisition of Subtech Diving and Marine Pty Ltd in Durban, South Africa. (http://www.oilpubs.com/oso/article.asp?v1=5927)  Subtech’s role in the group is to support the international contracting entities within the group structure in a planned expansion programme by Superior to enter other international markets.

02/14/2007
John D. Silvetti, Conrad Daigle, and Marianne Silvetti-Voorhies register Aim For A Cure, Inc (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36382577N).; a Louisiana, non-profit corporation

04/03/2007
Acergy wins contract to install pipeline for Petrobras (http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=43457) a contract worth USD 400 million in Brazil to install the Mexilhao gas export trunkline

04/20/2007
Initial Public Offering of Superior Offshore Int’l; raised $152 million (http://www.reuters.com/article/newIssuesNews/idUSWEN675520070420)

05/2007
Schaeffer contacts Dave Holloway
Schaefer purchases $3.5m home (http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=5569c50e755f68bbc8545f57966c90b3)

07/05/2007
Schaefer rings opening bell @ NASDAQ stock market (http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/200707/market_close_070507.stm)

08/14/2007
After defendants and other Company insiders liquidated over $49 million  (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/quotescharts/showFilingResults/?qm_symbol=DEEP) of their personally held shares -- Superior Offshore begins revealing the truth about the Company problems existing at the IPO on 04/20/2007


09/2007
Superior Offshore South Africa is appointed as a major subcontractor (http://www.subtech.co.za/content/view/60/17/) to the Dredging International/Group 5 Consortium which has been awarded the DHEW (Durban Harbor Entrance Widening & Deepening contract) in Durban, South Africa.

10/23/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq:DEEP) today announced it has signed a definitive agreement to acquire Ocean Flow International, LLC (http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=129346), a privately held deepwater subsea project engineering and offshore project management services firm based in Houston. The acquisition would be a stock-for-stock transaction valued at approximately $15 million. The closing, which is subject to customary conditions including obtaining certain consents, is expected in the fourth quarter of 2007

11/2007
Superior Offshore South Africa has purchased (http://www.subtech.co.za/content/view/60/17/) a Modular Jack-Up Barge which is expected to significantly enhance the company’s capacity in terms of inshore civil marine operations.

11/14/2007
Superior Offshore shares decline again after defendants belatedly revealed  (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/quotescharts/showFilingResults/?qm_symbol=DEEP) that the Company was operating even below its recently revised forecasts, and that its core business was operating even worse than previously disclosed.

11/27/2007
The Persistence mobilization (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html) - We will leave the dock at Midnight on 27-November, 2007 to perform a "wet-test" on all the gear. This test will take approximately 2 days, where we will calibrate and test all the equipment under real survey conditions.

11/30/2007
Persistence departs for Aruba (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/iii-transit.html)

12/2007
Persistence search team meets with ALE Detective & his brother with a "vision", giving latitude of cage (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4466.msg657532#msg657532)

12/03/2007
Superior Offshore Amends Merger with Ocean Flow International (http://www.rigzone.com/news/company.asp?comp_id=4337); extends deadline for closing the acquisition to 12/28/2007.

12/15/2007
Persistence arrived at Aruba (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/vi-arrival.html) – “1615 hrs: ARRIVED at Aruba pilot station. Port Authorities board and the Persistence is cleared for docking.”

12/18/2007
“UPDATE: 1510 hrs: The Persistence has begun the search.” (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/vii-beginning-search.html)

12/20/2007
“Thurs. 20-Dec -0430 hrs:  The Persistence has completed the first day  (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html) of the side scan sonar search.”

12/20/2007
CapsLockWizard registers at SM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3313), 09:38:24 PM

12/22/2007
Persistence team tests sensing equipment using local construction materials for a wire trap (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html) to confirm detection and signatures.

12/22/2007
This is the date Caps claims in a 1/30/08 posting on SM  (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg333988#msg333988) that he “started to look at the case of Natalee.”

12/25/2007
Trap found.  Per oceanexploration (Kyle Kingman):  “The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047)  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series.”

12/28/2007
Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq:DEEP) today announced that it has jointly agreed with Ocean Flow International L.L.C. to cancel a definitive merger agreement between the two companies. (http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=133607) Ocean Flow is a privately held deepwater subsea project engineering and offshore project management services firm.

"While both companies decided that now is not the right time to complete the merger, our discussions have laid the groundwork for what we expect to be a closer cooperative relationship in future marketing opportunities for large projects requiring deepwater fabrication and construction, pipeline engineering and project management capabilities," said Superior Offshore President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Mermis.

12/29/2007
ROV visual inspection of the trap (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360046#msg360046)

12/30/2007
ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  Tim Trahan's "No, nothing," dive. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360282#msg360282)  Dateline & Tim Miller off the ship.

12/31/2007
Mon 31-Dec - 1022hrs - NEW
The Persistence spent yesterday performing multiple dives with the ROV. (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/ix-dive-series-next-phase.html) The purpose of the dives is for collecting video of each sonar target. Typically, the sonar target is quickly identified and ruled out from the ROV video. The ROV operations lasted until dusk, where we resumed sonar survey operations through the night. Today, we are performing more ROV dives on targets of potential interest.

01/07/2008
ALE divers retrieve contents of the cage: (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047)  Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

Persistence loses internet connection for 2 days. (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/x-persistence.html)

01/09/2008
Superior Offshore announced (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/quotescharts/showFilingResults/?qm_symbol=DEEP) that it was suspending its prior substantially downward revised guidance. (Last date of stock purchases included in class action suits)

01/10/2008
Kyle has a few days off of the boat (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366321#msg366321); stays at the HI from 1/10 to 1/14.

01/11/2008 -01/12/2008
Kyle claims he saw a Dutch/Aruban vessel (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366321#msg366321) (Panter) on site over the cage location.

01/17/2008
CapsLockWizard’s first posting to SM Forum (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329723#msg329723), 10:18:50 PM

01/17/2008
Persistence gets call to help the “Michelle” in distress. (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/01/xii-perilous-seas.html)

01/21/2008
Caps posts: (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg330838#msg330838)  “Klaasend:  Any news from BT?  Need her to communicate”

01/22/2008
HOUSTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS260995+22-Jan-2008+PRN20080122) -- Superior Offshore International, Inc. (Nasdaq: DEEP) today announced that it has completed the sale and charter-back of the Superior Achiever with Hornbeck Offshore Services
LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Hornbeck Offshore Services, Inc. (NYSE: HOS)

02/2008
The previous owners of Subtech Diving and Marine  have negotiated the buy back (http://www.subtech.co.za/content/view/60/17/) of Superior Offshore South Africa from Superior Offshore International Inc.

02/2008
Monserrat pond is full of water.

02/07/2008
Caps posts on SM open forum (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2582.msg344553#msg344553) regarding what the new witness claims to have seen

02/12/2008
Council of Ministers of Aruba (http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/12_FEBR_CARTA_WAF__1___Medium_.JPG) makes a decision leading Edison Briesen, Minister of Tourism & Transportation to appoint MTBS  (Maritime & Transport Business Solutions) as Project Manager to lead and direct the redevelopment of the Aruban harbor areas.

02/15/2008
The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman posts a request for donations (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html) through Texas Equusearch.

02/22/2008
E. Briesen sends a letter to Juan Manuel Trujillo (http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JAN_2009/12_FEBR_CARTA_WAF__1___Medium_.JPG) in Madrid, Spain advising him of the appointment of MTBS as Project Manager of the redevelopment of Aruban harbor areas.

02/22/08
The Dateline episode (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23302471#23302581) on the Persistence search is broadcast.

02/26/2008
Dana Pretzer hosts Art Wood on his radio show. (http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/26/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tuesday-february-26th-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-pat-brown-robert-peters-christopher-lyons-art-wood-and-scared-monkeys/) Concerning the Persistence search, Art says, “They've identified over 100 possible targets that could be Natalee on the ocean floor. They're trying to narrow that list to 30 or 40 more likely targets, they can dive on them however John has informed us that they have run out of money. Actually, if they can't come up with some donations within the next week to 10 days, they're going to be bringing the boat home.”

02/27/2008
Two members of the Persistence crew perform side scan sonar survey of the Montserrat pond. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356876#msg356876)

02/27/2008
Robin posts the cage pictures received from the FBI at BNH.

Kyle learns that Robin has posted the screenshots rec’d from the FBI (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356249#msg356249)

02/28/2008
Kyle, posting at SM, makes two references to having been away from the search.
•   “I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.” (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg356886#msg356886)
•   “I've personally been handling the matter* while I was on the east coast last week.“ (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2654.msg357222#msg357222)
[*Note: the matter = selling television rights to the search]

02/28/2008
Article by Cynthia Cisneros, Houston ABC affiliate (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951), quotes Louis J. Schaefer:
•   “I've dedicated a million dollars, I've gone way above that," said Louis Schafer of Underwater Expeditions.
•   "I feel like it's time to ask for help from the American people that want to see this case solved." 
•   "By Friday, we will have surveyed the entire 50-square mile off Aruba," Schafer said.
•   "We have identified at least 60 of the targets. we have about 150 more targets to inspect."  "So we have completely mapped the ocean floor, we know every object that's there, we know every object that could be a container holding her in the sea,” he said.

Tim Trahan is quoted in the same article:
"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

02/29/08
The first class action lawsuit against Superior Offshore Int’l (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/quotescharts/showFilingResults/?qm_symbol=DEEP) is announced on behalf of shareholders who purchased stock between 4/20/07 and 1/09/08.

02/29/08 - NEW
Air Force 2 is on Aruba. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358016#msg358016)

03/01/2008
Post by blog-owner Red (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358515#msg358515) in open forum at SM:

“ABC Interview with Louis Schafer on Thursday
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951

I will just come out and say it only because I am shocked at the quick pace of the termination of the search.  WHO THE HELL WAITS UNTIL LAST MINUTE TO ASK FOR HELP IN DONATIONS ONLY TO ONE DAY LATER LEAVE ANYHOW!!!  You could have least given it a chance.  I am sorry, but that makes no sense coming from a business man like Louis Schafer. Long ago he could have contacted SM and done a media blitz that would have donated funds. Also, people of major means could have been asked.  However, for the most part this type of money is not gained thru public solicitation ... its gained thru millionaires private Rolodex. 
I hope there is another more positive reason.”

03/01/2008
The Persistence blog maintained by Kyle Kingman announces the side scan sonar search is complete (http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/xviii-sonar-search-complete.html) and the RV Persistence is leaving Aruba.


03/02/2008
Kyle Kingman and the search team of the Persistence fly out of Aruba. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358568#msg358568)

03/03/2008
Persistence and crew leave Aruba, sailing to the home port in Louisiana (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358568#msg358568)
 
John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

03/12/2008
The RV Persistence arrives back in Louisiana (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg363730#msg363730)

03/16/2008
Witness, urged to step forward by Dave Holloway and accompanied by his lawyer, gives a statement to the Prosecutor’s Office.

03/18/2008
Agent Shipley arrives back in Aruba

Caps has spoken to John Silvetti and John is in contact with Hans Mos.

Kyle equates the tip Dave rec’d concerning a trap with the trap he (Kyle) had found:  “the tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.”

Kyle confirms that the pond Caps is referring to near the soccer field is the same pond that was searched by the RV Persistence team.

Kyle posts his opinion (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366455#msg366455) that neither the trap nor its contents should be disregarded until it is known how the trap got there and what the nature of its contents were.

NEW - Kyle posts a Disclaimer (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366347#msg366347):  “Further, what comes from me should be independantly verified as factual.”

NEW - And repeats it: (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366455#msg366455)  “A lot of what I share is what I was directly involved in.  However, much of what I share is 2nd and 3rd hand, but the closest we've got in some cases, hence the saltshaker should be used liberally.”


03/20/2008
Private Eye reveals to Kyle his knowledge of the blue denim and skull in an open post on the SM Forum (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367178#msg367178). 

Kyle repeatedly asks Private Eye to email him privately for further discussion. 
•   “Private Eye, Please email me to discuss this further, not in the forum thanks!” (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367180#msg367180) 
•   “I don't think I said anything about the type of fabric sampled from the trap in the forum.  I'm not sure where this came from.  In any case, PE please email me to discuss.“ (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367181#msg367181) 
•   “would a moderator please send Private Eye my email address?  Thanks in advance.” (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367182#msg367182)

NEW - Kyle then tells PE he is unaware of denim. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367186#msg367186)

Kyle speaks with Tim Trahan. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367217#msg367217)
“I just got off the phone with Tim Trahan a few minutes ago talking about returning to dive on the remaining targets.  There are plans to return, we just need to figure out the details of when and how.  The "how" question will help us figure out how much more funds we need to raise, if any.  I'm not involved in this.”

03/21/2008
Kyle went to Johns house and all things Holloway were stripped from the boat he said

03/24/2008
Agent Shipley went to Aruba and MOS is opposing the request to drain and search the pond

Klye posted at SM: "The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample."
The first post of CapsLockWizard’s posted on: (SM) January 17, 2008, 10:18:50 PM
Remains were taken on January 17 sent to the FBI on January 22/24...

03/26/2008
Email from CapsLockWizard to Dave Holloway:
That was the first report.
Did you received the second report about
I did send it to you read it with the google earth data file.
How do I know that you are Dave?
there are to many danger peaople out there.
Beside to what I have heard, the body may be in another place now.  But that is what this person connected to the government is saying not knowing who I am
Why did it took so long to Answer?

03/27/2008
Kyle emails Kermit stating that he is going offshore in a day.


04/03/2008
When asked how much money would be needed to complete the search, John D. Silvetti posts at BFN under the screenname dsurveyor1 (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg335011#msg335011) “It is very difficult to say, since Louis has not selected a ROV vessel and we do not know how much of a humanitarian discount we can count on by the vessel and ROV owners, but my guess is that we will be looking at around 1 million dollars.”

04/03/2008 - NEW
John D. Silvetti posts at BFN under the screenname dsurveyor1 (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg335025#msg335025), “I feel the sites are as safe as they can be. All survey data that was collected, other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion. No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations”

04/03/2008
John D. Silvetti posts at BFN under the screenname dsurveyor1 (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg335019#msg335019), “We received support from the Police, the Coast Guard, the Port Authority and vitually anyone we needed help from.”

Read entire John Silvetti thread at BFN. (http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.0)- NEW

04/07/2008
Kyle tells (Freebirds?) that he was just asked by Mos, through John Silvetti, to expedite the analysis of the pond search and to send a report brief.  Mos is calling for the draining and full search of the pond.

04/24/2008
All of the officers resign from Superior OffShore (http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.t2B9.d.htm); “Company has ceased all ongoing operations other than those deemed necessary to ensure (i) the public safety; (ii) the health and safety of the Company’s employees; and (iii) an orderly transition of certain projects to its customers.  All of the Company’s employees have been terminated except for those necessary to assist in the wind-down of the Company’s affairs.”


04/25/2008
Superior OffShore announces filing of Chapter 11 Bankruptcy (http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRu.t2By.d.htm)

05/2008
Monserrat pond is completely dry.

05/05/2008
Caps posts about the pond being roped off, 09:49:42 PM. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379191#msg379191)
“Hi Monkeys,  News,  The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.  The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.  Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)  In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case. More Later.”

Caps posts further information, (also contradictory), 10:38:58 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379227#msg379227)
“No, I have not.  But the light of the soccer field was on this whole weekend till 3:30 am in the morning, Today day are off. but it seems that this goup is here a week already they are the one that seal the area. Also Saterday night goining in sunday early morninng, sources said that they saw a lot new face in the are of Lekker.”

Caps further posts an “update” on the witness, 11:06:59 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379248#msg379248)
“Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)  After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.  The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case  MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.
Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)”

Caps posts further information, (also contradictory), 11:13:06 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379251#msg379251)
“How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains.  it has arrived yesterday.”

Caps repeats, 11:20:01 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379254#msg379254)
“Sorry to say, but the dog arrived yesterday and was delivert today at the Police station. it Did not go to work yet. Need to get use to aruba a bit a gues..  Was in customs care..”

Caps then posts unsubstantiated “facts”, as follows:
11:29:40 PM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379258#msg379258):  “Here is another good findings.  FACT the first person arrested was Bulo and he was the boyfriend of the early week.”
12:07:28 AM: (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379268#msg379268)  “Now two years before 2005 this girls was in Aruba, and she knew Bulo already. now she came to aruba and she spend the first part of the week with Bulo, on the night in C&C she was with Bulo entering and exiting the place several times. At closing time she knew them already and thats why she jumped in the car with them. Now lets look at this of what I got from my investigation in talking to people that are frequent C&C. on the night in question.  You see I am missing a person which is the duppleganger of Natalee. In all the duppleganger some one dies but it is the wrong person.  I was thinking that at the night in question, either Natalee and her Double must have met.  I Page flew 2 day earlier, than she is not there. that leaves me with someone else.  who?”

05/08/2008
Kyle posts that John Silvetti told him on this day that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

05/08/2008
Caps posts more unsubstantiated “facts”, together with a story of losing his shoe in a pond as a child. (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379902#msg379902)
“Who is Bulo. Bulo is the Nickname of Lorenzo Van Rijn. He was the first that was detain for questioning & not arrested. (was never in the news because of his association with other bigshot in ALE) so that never hid the news.
Two days later they went to his mama house and there he desided to colobrorate with the ALE.”
“Matty Apartment.: After Researching what the commun form to do a quicky is in Aruba, and from strategic elimination process and with the help of someone that work the escort industry, who lead me to the kalpoe father that owns the VIP club who's in the back there is an access to the apartments”
“Now Matty the owner died long time ago, but this place is run by the Kalpoes famaly but they are not the only one with keys. The one that runs the News also has key to this apartments.”
“I google "Where is natalee" and it brought me to this place called SM and I read summery and then I remeber as a kid how I lost a brand new sneaker. Imaging comming home with one sneaker missing and telling dad that I lost it. Where? in the pond.”

05/08/2008
the Company (Superior Offshore Int’l, Inc.)  filed a motion with the Court (http://apps.shareholder.com/sec/viewerContent.aspx?companyid=DEEP&docid=5934031) for authority to sell a
12-Man 300 meter skid-mounted saturation diving system and related
equipment to Global Industries Offshore LLC (“Global”) for a cash payment
of $6,750,000.00

05/14/2008
Kyle posts in open forum at SM (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381276#msg381276) regarding the pond, essentially repeating Caps message of 5/05/08 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379191#msg379191).
“Greetings, I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.  All the best”

And then claims (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381287#msg381287) he doesn’t know about Caps’ pond:
Thanks all.  I don't know what pond Caps is talking about.  I'm referring to the pond we searched back in February.  I hope you're all well.  Best Regards,
~Kyle

05/15/2008
Kyle says Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti are accusing him of leaking the photos to SM and asks for our (Freebirds?) help.

05/15/2008
Destiny requests (and receives) Klaas’ assistance (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg381723#msg381723) in posting 3 pictures of the “drained pond”  next to the soccer field in open forum at SM:
“KLAAS....just got 3 *pond* photos in email from Aruba.....maybe more coming too....I don't know how to post them from my email to here in the forum....If I send them to you on your hotmail acct.,...can you post them for me?...TIA...Destiny”

Destiny asks OE (Kyle) if the pictures are of the same pond: (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.msg381841#msg381841)
“OE, Did you see the 3 new photos we got today?   Is it the same pond you scanned?....please let me know....it's driving me crazy.... TIA...Destiny”

OE (Kyle) confirms that it is: (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2844.msg381855#msg381855)
“Yes, it is certainly the same pond that we searched in February.”

05/17/2008
Kyle posts/emails (to Freebirds?):
“I need immediate help.  I need to know what we know about Caps and Destiny. I need their names if possible.  I also need the information Caps originally posted about the pond search. Preferably the original posts with date and time stamps.  Apparently I'm being accused by Mos, the Polis, and J. Silvetti as leaking the photos to SM” 

Kyle needs to know from US (Freebirds?) who leaked the photos. He states he believes Caps is only one step away from DirtyHand. "Mos knows there is a mole deep within the investigation"

Kyle sends an email to John Silvetti which he has copied posts from SM of CAPS and Destiny and Klassend and Spock. He is defending himself that he didn't know who posted the pond pictures at SM.

06/2008
Petrobras talks/meetings were held in ARUBA

06/10/2008
Kyle posts/emails (to Freebirds?):
“Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played.  I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere”

06/16/2008
Kyle posts/emails (to Freebirds?):
“On the other hand, those differences has also caused a rift between Tim Trahan/Louis and myself with John (although John and I remain close friends and colleagues). The result is Tim, Louis and I are moving forward and John is left out of the loop. Tim Trahan has allied himself with me.
What John's doing in Aruba, I am not entirely sure now although I know it's got to do with the pond search and some business relations.
loathe the thought of going around John with the trap info but that's Tim's decision, not mine. It was Tim who wanted me involved in where we are going now.”

06/29/2008
Kyle Kingman flies to John Silvetti’s house

12/23/2008
John D. Silvetti, Conrad Daigle, and Marianne Silvetti-Voorhies register ;  a Louisiana limited liability company.


 (http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtlC&rqsdta=36925547KOSV Determination, L.L.C.[/url)

Dear Janet, Mags, Wreck, KTF, and Kermit aka Lifesong,

I can no longer continue with my masquerade.  You have discovered the truth.  I am a special agent for the Aruban Government and I have worked with Caps for many years.  My assignment has been to completely disrupt the Natalee Holloway investigation.  My father is Dick Cheyney.  I was in charge of Haliburton's Middle East Operations for many years, and I do know John Silvetti through Iris's Scientology group.

Dear Janet, Mags, Wreck, KTF, and Kermit aka Lifesong,

I can no longer continue with my masquerade.  You have discovered the truth.  I am a special agent for the Aruban Government and I have worked with Caps for many years.  My assignment has been to completely disrupt the Natalee Holloway investigation.  My father is Dick Cheyney.  I was in charge of Haliburton's Middle East Operations for many years, and I do know John Silvetti through Iris's Scientology group.

Dear Janet, Mags, Wreck, KTF, and Kermit aka Lifesong,

I can no longer continue with my masquerade.  You have discovered the truth.  I am a special agent for the Aruban Government and I have worked with Caps for many years.  My assignment has been to completely disrupt the Natalee Holloway investigation.  My father is Dick Cheyney.  I was in charge of Haliburton's Middle East Operations for many years, and I do know John Silvetti through Iris's Scientology group.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Dear Janet, Mags, Wreck, KTF, and Kermit aka Lifesong,

I can no longer continue with my masquerade.  You have discovered the truth.  I am a special agent for the Aruban Government and I have worked with Caps for many years.  My assignment has been to completely disrupt the Natalee Holloway investigation.  My father is Dick Cheyney.  I was in charge of Haliburton's Middle East Operations for many years, and I do know John Silvetti through Iris's Scientology group.

Dear Janet, Mags, Wreck, KTF, and Kermit aka Lifesong,

I can no longer continue with my masquerade.  You have discovered the truth.  I am a special agent for the Aruban Government and I have worked with Caps for many years.  My assignment has been to completely disrupt the Natalee Holloway investigation.  My father is Dick Cheyney.  I was in charge of Haliburton's Middle East Operations for many years, and I do know John Silvetti through Iris's Scientology group.

In my opinion ... SS words were not funny bastibro.

Kyle Kingman's words exposes a deception that implies that Natalee Holloway will never be returned to her family ... never returned to her country and ... CAPS supports that deception.

Think about it.  If there had been a possibility that your loved one was in that trap/cage ... would you be dismissing Kyle Kingman own words?  Would you be laughing at SS's post?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

To me they were funny Janet, i think SS gave us an example of the fact that we shouldn't`t take everything to serious.
She`s not a believer of all this cage theory`s and neither am I.
Regarding Caps, well, I think he must be feeling very important when reading all the posts about him lately.
Don`t give him to much credit.
IMO he always was a liability ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyCool::

KTF,

I just saw your note in Musings.  Did I miss your question here? 

Who wants to be next?

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Forgot what i was gonna say.Probably something irrelevant regarding the leaseback of the Superior achiever.Thanx Though!

You are just crackin' me up! 

That's funny, I don't care who you are!  courtesy of billb's uncle or some other relative...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

BillB has family.I always thought he lived in a cabin up in the backwoods! ::MonkeyDance::
Just Kidding BillB..

903 on: Today at 08:56:28 PM  SAN  pg 46
Why would they want to not question this persons motives.  They came on with both guns drawn and refused to answer certain questions. Why?  Why are they covering for these people all of a sudden.  Is someone related to one of these individuals that we don't know of
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4554.900
 
 #904 on: Today at 08:59:53 PM   ktf
In my personal opinion.Some of these posters are either related or work for these people
 
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POSTER related or work for these people?

Smith, Halliburton, and Hughes are top oil drilling companies in the US.  I know this for sure because of personal experience.      Cheyney = Halliburton   Did our VP pop into Aruba to discuss some geological surveys before TES left?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.msg545029#msg545029
 

November 06, 2008, 10:08:08 PM 
Thirty-two years ago, I lived In Isfahan, Iran for two years[/b].  The left hand was used for toilet functions because their bathroom facilities are very different than ours are.  They don't use toilet paper
//http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3697.msg527697#msg527697
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3697.msg527697#msg527697
 

Think about it IRAN = BIG OIL

Iran is set to sell stakes in Isfahan and Trabiz refineries,

LOOK at the second paragraph where Iran is going to privatize 45 companies.
 IT's all about OIL companies in Iran.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=36256518

Now look at this:
These pensions, which include New York City’s five main funds and the California Public Employees’ Retirement System, hold $3.7 billion worth of shares in energy companies involved in Iran, out of a total $570 billion in assets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/business/worldbusiness/25fund.html


WHERE IS ISFAHAN:
Isfahan or Esfahan (historically also rendered as Ispahan, Old Persian Aspadana, Middle Persian Spahan, Persian اصفهان) located about 340 km south of Tehran is Iran (Persia)'s third largest city. Isfahan has been designated by UNESCO as a world heritage city. It contains a wide variety of Islamic Architectural sites ranging from the 11th century to the 19th.

Congressman Sherman Says Iran More Likely to Nuke Isfahan than Israel
http://www.niacouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=480&Itemid=2

IRAN SIGNS GAS DEAL WITH HALLIBURTON SUBSIDIARY. U.S. oil-services company Halliburton has won a tender to drill in two phases of the South Pars gas field, Iranian state television reported on 9 January. "Some American officials have shares in Halliburton," state television added, without providing any names.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/3-170105.htm
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No,no,no....that's me in the cabin in the backwoods...with goats and Hudson.
Billb has his cousin Larry the Cable Guy.

As the Froggy also said!Watch the patterns..... ::MonkeyCool::

Without an explanation the patterns do not make sense when it comes to the upholding of CAPS.

Back in May, 2008 ... Mum and I were on the same page in regards to CAPS ... the same page I have been on since CAPS made his initial appearance at the end of January, 2008.

Somewhere along the way Mum jumped back on the CAPS bandwagon.  What changed?   It was not CAPS who changed.

Why do CAPS supporters never offer an explanation as to their reasoning in their decision to follow this guy wherever he may lead.  It is downright scary.

Justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family have definitely taken a backseat.

Janet

+++++++

MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »

SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379364#msg379364


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »

SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps

All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »

SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says.  Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379582#msg379582


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »

... as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379591#msg379591


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »

SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »

SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »

This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »

These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379922#msg379922


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »

Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379926#msg379926


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »

Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379938#msg379938


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »

SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380072#msg380072


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MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545

You are so right!!  Posters who were good and diligent Natalee supporters, suddenly did an
about face to support Kyle and Caps and have done all in their power to disrupt this forum.
It is like they have been hypnotized.

Magnolia:
I was thinking the same!

It begs the question that was asked earlier today: Is someone related to one of the players here influencing these people? That is why I asked people to consider when they started posting here at SM.

J2K administer date-rape drug...
Sexual (and physical) assault of Natalee occurs...
Natalee expires at hands of J2K (and others?)...
JVDS (2K) panic and call PVDS...
PVDS contacts JanVDS...
JanVDS advises / obstructs / abets for PVDS...
Outside law enforcement agencies are kept out of Aruba...
The elite of the island (illegal money schemes/activities) band together...
Tourism Board (synonymous with ALE) protects enabling interests...
Disinformants / Diversions employed by Aruba...
Persistence and Aruban Govt strike a (brokered) deal...
"Map in our waters" in exchange for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" near trap...
Crew members / owners cash in...Kyle almost ruins it for them...
Aruba owns and possesses the final piece of evidence...
They will continue to Lie and Deny to the End...

Am I close??  ::MonkeyWink::

Most of those who posted mostly in the Shango thread went away....I guess to CnG.
I guess they believed so strongly in what Caps had to say that they could not see
the reality of how conflicted Caps posts were.  I don't know the reasoning. ::MonkeyConfused::

Whatever they know that keeps them going, they certainly aren't telling us.
It is a secret.

I am always suspicious of posters that come in with less than 100 posts now.

That's pretty good BuckShot!

Most of those who posted mostly in the Shango thread went away....I guess to CnG.
I guess they believed so strongly in what Caps had to say that they could not see
the reality of how conflicted Caps posts were.  I don't know the reasoning. ::MonkeyConfused::

Whatever they know that keeps them going, they certainly aren't telling us.
It is a secret.

I am always suspicious of posters that come in with less than 100 posts now.

So where does this put Tim Miller?

So where does this put Tim Miller?

I have always wondered if a disinformant either (a) or (b) to stay under "radar of detection":
(a) post in softball forum(s) at SM(non-related to NH at first) to fluff post count / gain credibility through post count.
(b) post in various forums at SM (including NH). Blend in, drop tiny tid bits inconspicuously, then steer away undetected.

Tim Miller was not aboard The Persistence on the Jan 7th Dive when the ALE dove on the cage/Trap by themselves!

Tim Miller was not aboard The Persistence on the Jan 7th Dive when the ALE dove on the cage/Trap by themselves!

I have always wondered if a disinformant either (a) or (b) to stay under "radar of detection":
(a) post in softball forum(s) at SM(non-related to NH at first) to fluff post count / gain credibility through post count.
(b) post in various forums at SM (including NH). Blend in, drop tiny tid bits inconspicuously, then steer away undetected.

Years and years of his experience was determined to be a liability... ::MonkeyConfused::
Therefore, a diversion was used to temporarily remove him so and avoid detection...
If that diversion was unsuccessful, another would have been readily available as PlanB to execute...

You are on a roll.  They had all their plans in place.

"Persistence and Aruban Govt strike a (brokered) deal...
"Map in our waters" in exchange for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" near trap...
Crew members / owners cash in...Kyle almost ruins it for them..."

Who owns the Persistence?I'm just trying to understand this.Mostly lurk so....

Thailand - Bangkok- Saturday 24-01.

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on RTL Boulevard

Thanks Johan.  I already posted these pics back on 2/16, we discussed how Joran is with another blonde girl.

I do not know personally. I am sure someone here knows that answer.
Regardless of owner(of Persistence), big cheeses tied to the mapping project were levied access to Aruban waters in exchange for concealment of their number one priority, taking possession of a critical (and maybe final) piece of evidence.

My question: why would they allow a body to knowingly sit in their waters for so long. Instead of waiting from summer2005 until late2007/early 2008, why would they not have dove and recovered sooner, and better concealed from scrutiny.

"Persistence and Aruban Govt strike a (brokered) deal...
"Map in our waters" in exchange for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" near trap...
Crew members / owners cash in...Kyle almost ruins it for them..."

Who owns the Persistence?I'm just trying to understand this.Mostly lurk so....

Who would a thought,after a few years,that those waters would have been searched and Natalee would have been potentially found?Me personally.I would have bet against it everyday.

To be fair, I do believe it is important we acknowledge that we have no actual proof whatsoever that there was any deal between Schaefer/Silvetti and any branch of the Aruban Gov't or members of the Aruban business community.

We do have circumstances that, on the surface, simply do not make sense.

We do have conflicting information given privately by Kyle Kingman, as opposed to what he said publicly on behalf of the search team.

We do have photographic evidence that was never turned over to the FBI by anyone associated with the Persistence search.

We do have questionable ethical business practices on record by Schaefer.

But as of yet, we have no proof of any deal.  None.

We do want to know if there was one. 

If there wasn't, these circumstances and information that "can't be talked about", should be explained truthfully. 

Remember, donations were given in good faith.

Thankyou Faith...I remember Kyle posting here and I expressing my disdain about the abrupt departure but was basically shot down by others. A day or two before the departure there was a call out for more funding and then suddenly they left.We couldn't understand that.I also remember Kyle stating that he saw the Arubans over the dive site from shore days after the cage had been found.So I guess the reasoning now is that yes it was Natalee's remains in that cage?Is that what ya'll are thinking?

In different (unrelated) concealed activities, simply as a parallel for argument sake...
Drug dealers do not give recipts and file it on their taxes...

Therefore, unexplainable actions and supporting circumstantial facts may lead to the deduction that, if a deal were made, it would not be published online for public viewing. Only those who sttod to gain from the deal knew about it.

Potentially yes!We'll never know though.Silvetti was asking for donations up until April 3rd, 2008.About a month after leaving Aruba IIRC.Feel free to ask questions.Tamikosmom should give us a post with all of Kyle's words and you can read them and draw your own conclusions.Janet.Please post Kyle's words....TIA

Tater

Initially Kyle Kingman was very troubled concerning what he observed on board the Persistence in regards to the recovery process.  I truly believe that Kyle felt forced into an intiminated silence by John Silvetti.

It appears that sending the ROV images to the FBI and ... requesting the Natalee's Freebirds to assist in exposing the John Silvetti deception to the FBI/Beth Holloway through a document ... Kyle Kingman was attempting to do what was right.  He was taking the high road.

However ... at some point in time he began to backtrack.  Could it have been a threatened lawsuit but Silvetti/Schaefer?  Could it have been those Network deals?  Could it have been incentives were offered in regards to furthering his career with John Silvetti?

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.  John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me

Kyle:  I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle:   I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Says it all for me...

I have been reading along trying to figure out what was going on in aruba and it has ben very confusing.  I think I finally understand what may have happened. My question now is what was the response by the FBI after this information was presented to them?

it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.[/color]

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

I'm currently not aware of a response Dottie.

Dottie,

I don't have a link handy, but I do think I remember that either Kermit or Jen told us that Kyle was questioned by the FBI after the Freebirds sent the information in.

TY

Tamikosmom -

We(I) had better join stackaholics anonymous...

BUCKSHOT

No response????? Should I not be asking questions...I'll move along?

There's a meeting tonight...up at my cabin in the backwoods ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

(not the FBI themselves).
The FBI will never comment on an on-going investigation. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was Aruba itself that told us the FBI did not make a match with the fabric sample they sent in

(not the FBI themselves).
The FBI will never comment on an on-going investigation. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was Aruba itself that told us the FBI did not make a match with the fabric sample they sent in

Would someone please post a picture of this John Silvetti?Is it one of these guys? TIA

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

There's a meeting tonight...up at my cabin in the backwoods ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

My opinion...
They could only test what was given to them...
They were denied "official participation" status...
This has never been/will never be a transparent investigation...

The answer and validation to this question:
"How do human remains / fabric turn into tarp material"

Is the same answer as to the following question:
"How does blood turn into chocolate"

Aruba has special "on the spot" forensic abilities...
Combined with a magic wand, that magically disappears things...

Dottie,

I don't have a link handy, but I do think I remember that either Kermit or Jen told us that Kyle was questioned by the FBI after the Freebirds sent the information in.

I do not see Silvetti in any pic. The author of the journal (Hodges) is shown with Tim Miller. The author only mentions the Silvetti group as the owner of the Persistence.

This one?http://www.blogvandaag.nl/data/media//db_images/big/38171.jpg

Yes.

So it would be up to the FBI to pressure the ALE and dispute their findings?  Was the fabric the only thing sent to FBI?

http://www.blogvandaag.nl/data/media//db_images/big/38171.jpg

I just noticed in that pic -- the Persistence is flying the Aruban flag. Is that proper for an American ship???

Yes.

http://www.blogvandaag.nl/data/media//db_images/big/38171.jpg

I just noticed in that pic -- the Persistence is flying the Aruban flag. Is that proper for an American ship???

Kyle

"I recently asked the senior FBI agent in charge how I should handle this situation which you have incited.   I thought his response was terrific. He replied: "Just sit back and keep quiet.  Kermit doesn't matter".

Kyle's worried about a Muppet! ::MonkeyWink::

Sounds good...But give me your thoughts on how that would be accomplished...
According to Aruba, this is an active investigation...
They are still trying to exhaust all avenues in this case...
Only one problem, though...
The lead prosecutor is set to step down from his position...
Another will take his place and have to be re-acquainted with the case...
Is this well-timed or coincidental? You be the judge...
Nothing new @ SM...Nothing is a surprise...

Kyle ... you just do not get it.

it was not not Kermit who incited anything.  It was your words that exposed John Silvetti's betrayal to Natalee Holloway and her family.

Take personal responsibility.

Janet

Great eyes Wreck!Onw would think you'd be flying the American flag?

http://www.blogvandaag.nl/data/media//db_images/big/38171.jpg

I just noticed in that pic -- the Persistence is flying the Aruban flag. Is that proper for an American ship???

I don't like seeing the aruba flag on the persistence, but...
It is traditionally accepted to fly the Host nation's flag while in there territorial waters.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/Seaflags/customs/law.html#foreign

Foreign Flags on U.S. Ships
Courtesy Ensigns

Many countries require either as a matter law or of customary practice that foreign vessels in their territorial waters display the host country's flag.  This flag is known as a "courtesy ensign."  When a host country has a merchant ensign that differs from its national flag used ashore, it is the merchant ensign that is displayed as the courtesy ensign.

I don't like seeing the aruba flag on the persistence, but...
It is traditionally accepted to fly the Host nation's flag while in there territorial waters.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/Seaflags/customs/law.html#foreign

Foreign Flags on U.S. Ships
Courtesy Ensigns

Many countries require either as a matter law or of customary practice that foreign vessels in their territorial waters display the host country's flag.  This flag is known as a "courtesy ensign."  When a host country has a merchant ensign that differs from its national flag used ashore, it is the merchant ensign that is displayed as the courtesy ensign.

I don't like seeing the aruba flag on the persistence, but...
It is traditionally accepted to fly the Host nation's flag while in there territorial waters.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/Seaflags/customs/law.html#foreign

Foreign Flags on U.S. Ships
Courtesy Ensigns

Many countries require either as a matter law or of customary practice that foreign vessels in their territorial waters display the host country's flag.  This flag is known as a "courtesy ensign."  When a host country has a merchant ensign that differs from its national flag used ashore, it is the merchant ensign that is displayed as the courtesy ensign.

U.S. policy is that public vessels, including warships as well as civilian-manned ships belonging to the Military Sealift Command and other U.S. government vessels, enjoy sovereign immune status, that they are exempt from the jurisdiction of any other state.  Because complying with a coastal state's regulations purporting to require the display of its flag in its waters or ports could be construed as an admission that the U.S. public vessel is subject to the coastal state's jurisdiction, all U.S. public vessels are forbidden from flying courtesy ensigns.

Yes it is BillB.Even then i would have peed on it before i put it up! ::MonkeyCool::

U.S. policy is that public vessels, including warships as well as civilian-manned ships belonging to the Military Sealift Command and other U.S. government vessels, enjoy sovereign immune status, that they are exempt from the jurisdiction of any other state.  Because complying with a coastal state's regulations purporting to require the display of its flag in its waters or ports could be construed as an admission that the U.S. public vessel is subject to the coastal state's jurisdiction, all U.S. public vessels are forbidden from flying courtesy ensigns.

From that same page:

U.S. policy is that public vessels, including warships as well as civilian-manned ships belonging to the Military Sealift Command and other U.S. government vessels, enjoy sovereign immune status, that they are exempt from the jurisdiction of any other state.  Because complying with a coastal state's regulations purporting to require the display of its flag in its waters or ports could be construed as an admission that the U.S. public vessel is subject to the coastal state's jurisdiction, all U.S. public vessels are forbidden from flying courtesy ensigns.

I respectfully disagree -- I read this as pertaining to all US public vessels.

No worries....I just think persistence was following a tradition wrt flying the aruban flag, in the spirit of cooperation...mhoo
I still don't endorse it in this case.....

::MonkeyConfused::
Now I might be back on your side! Is the Persistence a "public vessel" or perhaps a "private vessel"? Is a cruise ship a "public vehicle" or a "private vehicle"??  ::MonkeyConfused::

::MonkeyConfused::
Now I might be back on your side! Is the Persistence a "public vessel" or perhaps a "private vessel"? Is a cruise ship a "public vehicle" or a "private vehicle"??  ::MonkeyConfused::

US Public vessel is owned by, or operated by, US govt...warships, coast guard, merchant marines...
I believe persistence is a "private vessel" and that's why I pulled out the link...

US Public vessel is owned by, or operated by, US govt...warships, coast guard, merchant marines...
I believe persistence is a "private vessel" and that's why I pulled out the link...

Well, I don't like it either!! So, US owned cruise ships fly foreign flags in each different port they go to???

Well, I don't like it either!! So, US owned cruise ships fly foreign flags in each different port they go to???

The Persistence should have flown the Skull and Crossbones.

Did the SS Minnow have to fly a Gilligan flag?  ::MonkeyCool::

Tamikosmom -

We(I) had better join stackaholics anonymous...

BUCKSHOT

After I have gone through the seven step program in regards to my addiction to the Natalee Holloway case ... I will then join ya.

First things first.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Janet...Your not saying that "stackaholism" is NOT part of the seven steps of the addiction to the Natalee Holloway case ... ::MonkeyWaa::
Once I licked that, I thought I'd move on...... ::MonkeyCool::

Hi my name is texasmom, and I have a dual addiction too!  NataleeHollowayCaseoholic/stackoholic.   ::MonkeyCool::
"move on" does not mean I'm no longer looking for Justice for Natalee...
It just means I'm moving to the next step in the 7 step program... ::MonkeyCool::
Like Beth, God willing, I'll support her for the next 40 years if necessary!
Bank on That....aruba.....

Hi my name is texasmom, and I have a dual addiction too!  NataleeHollowayCaseoholic/stackoholic.   ::MonkeyCool::

TM....looks pretty bad.. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
Hi my name is texasmom, and I have a dual addiction too!  NataleeHollowayCaseoholic/stackoholic.