Lively Case Discussion #627 5/23 - 5/24/2007

[Kermit]

comparison of silver car at rocks and van der sloot home


car parked at Freddy's house:


silver car cops (commencia are looking at)


Deepak's car being towed:




car parked inside gate:







Paulus getting out of silver car

[AnnieMW1]

O/T - Everyone know about Pandora.com?   I love it....listening to some good Diana Krall-like music...while visualizing:

BRING ON THE CUFFS!  

[klaasend]

The car at Freddy's and the rock area are very similar, don't you think?

[msmarple]

I think I missed the 24,000 mark - but Murder & Crime thread has passed 25,000 views.

[klaasend]

I think I missed the 24,000 mark - but Murder & Crime thread has passed 25,000 views.

WooHoo!    

[the big hammer]

"Insufficient Evidence"

"...of the 49 cases lodged at the Internal Investigations Bureau between 2005 and 2007, only 2 had been dealt with in court, and those had not led to a conviction due to insufficient evidence..."

So, inmate is beaten by KIA guards.  We presume that to advance to trial, beating had to be severe enough to warrant same.  But no conviction at trial...due to "insufficient evidence".

It was widely reported during the Natalee investigation fiasco that the Judge of Instruction would disallow trial if the "evidence was inadequate".  In other words, the prosecution nevers gets to trial, unless there is enough evidence to justify this step.  So how could there be "insufficient evidence?"

Which suggests, certainly, that j2k could have been put on trial with "insufficient evidence" -- but we never even get to that step in Natalee's case, unlike KIA beating victims.  Pathetic.

But I must note, the ALE and their KIA bretheren, are highly skilled at producing insufficient evidence.  Evidently, they are actually good at something.

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[Spock]

The car at Freddy's and the rock area are very similar, don't you think?

Yes, silver pillar and black molding.

[Spock]

The car at Freddy's and the rock area are very similar, don't you think?

Yes, silver pillar and black molding.

There must be a Gazillion silver Honda Civics in Aruba.

[klaasend]

"Insufficient Evidence"

"...of the 49 cases lodged at the Internal Investigations Bureau between 2005 and 2007, only 2 had been dealt with in court, and those had not led to a conviction due to insufficient evidence..."

So, inmate is beaten by KIA guards.  We presume that to advance to trial, beating had to be severe enough to warrant same.  But no conviction at trial...due to "insufficient evidence".

It was widely reported during the Natalee investigation fiasco that the Judge of Instruction would disallow trial if the "evidence was inadequate".  In other words, the prosecution nevers gets to trial, unless there is enough evidence to justify this step.  So how could there be "insufficient evidence?"

Which suggests, certainly, that j2k could have been put on trial with "insufficient evidence" -- but we never even get to that step in Natalee's case, unlike KIA beating victims.  Pathetic.

But I must note, the ALE and their KIA bretheren, are highly skilled at producing insufficient evidence.  Evidently, they are actually good at something.

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Must be accidental  

[klaasend]

The car at Freddy's and the rock area are very similar, don't you think?

Yes, silver pillar and black molding.

There must be a Gazillion silver Honda Civics in Aruba.

It appears so.  I'm surprised there are any at all without dents after seeing all the car accidents reported there daily.

[Spock]

I wonder if thats Croimvoit or Paulus in the civic at the "rocks"?

[Tamikosmom]

I have a feeling the Dutch team may try to do something this weekend. We are almost to the end of their six week mission and this is the two year anniversary of Natalee's dissapearance. It's time they do something to advance the case.

Spock ... I believe the Dutch in Aruba has all been all one big horse and pony show prior to closing the Natalee Holloway case.

I pray I am wrong but I believe the following is about to take place ...

The Natalee Holloway case will be closed.

Aruba/Holland will concede an "incompetent" investigation. The world will be assured that those involved in the "incompetent" investigation no longer hold positions within law enforcement and ... steps have been taken to assure this type of injustice will never be allowed to happen again.

Think about it ... justice for Natalee implies not only accountability by Joran and Paulus. It implies accountability by those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were involved or had knowledge of the coverup/corrupt investigation. Then there is the sons of the elite and ... the judiciary. Also ... justice has the ability to expose dirty little secrets that go beyond the Natalee Holloway case that encompass drugs ... money laundering ... prostitution ... gambling ... pornography.

It grieves me but ... my heart says that it is too late to turn back the clock ... justice for Natalee Holloway is not going to happen ... the implications for Holland and Aruba are too overwhelming.

Think about it ... Beth Twitty's voice has been silent for a long time and ... the few words that Dave Holloway has spoken publicly have been very guarded. I do believe that the outcome has been negotiated with Natalee's family.

Again ... I hope with all my heart that I am wrong.

Janet


http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/03/more-conflicts-of-interest-in-response.html

[klaasend]

I wonder if thats Croimvoit or Paulus in the civic at the "rocks"?

Some screen shots look like Paulus and others look like Cromvoirt.  Your guess is as good as mine.

[blah]

Klaas,  do you see Moon following them around and all she can say now is how wonderful the 'trolls' are for giving JR all those exta hits on his site?  It's like she can't even defend them anymore.  They are tearing that place up!  LOL

Yep, it's great!

can someone post a link to where this is going on at???

[klaasend]

Klaas,  do you see Moon following them around and all she can say now is how wonderful the 'trolls' are for giving JR all those exta hits on his site?  It's like she can't even defend them anymore.  They are tearing that place up!  LOL

Yep, it's great!

can someone post a link to where this is going on at???

In the Natalee Holloway forum:

http://securebar.secure-tunnel.com/cgi-bin/nph-freebar.cgi/110110A/http/www.freedomofblog.com/

[blah]

Perfect Crime? Hardly.

From Fox News Promo, posted by klaas: "Everyone has seen bits and pieces of this story. When you put them all together, they form a picture of what might have been the perfect crime."

If this were a perfect crime, we would not be here continuing discussion on this poorly investigated case.  The KLPD would not be roaming Aruba, continuing their investigation -- even today.  News stories about the case would have stopped long ago.

Perfect?  No, hardly.  The crime against Natalee was compounded by ineptitude, collusion, and obvious conflict of interest.

And there still remains related CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, for which no prosecution has been brought forth.  Actual crimes for which there is undeniable evidence: crimes that are directly related to Natalee's disappearance.

And that is the Kalpoe brothers' perjury.  It is a crime to present INTENTIONALLY FALSE TESTIMONY as a witness.  And both the Kalpoe brothers did EXACTLY that, and under the advice of competent legal counsel, which implicates their attorneys, as well.  INTENTIONALLY FALSE TESTIMONY which led directly to the false arrest and incarceration of two innocent men.  And in Kalpoes' case we have the incremental admission and witnessing of a preplanned conspiracy to commit perjury...in two separate instances: the false HI drop off, and the recruitmnet of Croes to deliver the false Cyberzone phone call story.  Plus, the justifiable follow-on charges of obstruction and contempt of court.  The evidence is there in the Kalpoe 5/31 PV's, as well as the early 6/9 PV's before their stories of the HI drop off are retracted during their suspect interrogations.

Perfect Crime?  HA!  I suppose it's a snap to commit "perfect crimes" when obvious criminal behavior goes unprosecuted and is without consequence.

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Hey now, if Greta couldnt solve it, then it had to be a perfect crime!!!


   

[Spock]

Aruba/Holland will concede an "incompetent" investigation. The world will be assured that those involved in the "incompetent" investigation no longer hold positions within law enforcement and ... steps have been taken to assure this type of injustice will never be allowed to happen again.

Think about it ... justice for Natalee implies not only accountability by Joran and Paulus. It implies accountability by those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were involved or had knowledge of the coverup/corrupt investigation. Then there is the sons of the elite and ... the judiciary. Also ... justice has the ability to expose dirty little secrets that go beyond the Natalee Holloway case that encompass drugs ... money laundering ... prostitution ... gambling ... pornography.

It grieves me but ... my heart says that it is too late to turn back the clock ... justice for Natalee Holloway is not going to happen ... the implications for Holland and Aruba are too overwhelming.

I came to that same conclusion a while back to. The Dutch will attempt to "clean up" the root causes of the flawed investigation and coverup, but will not prosecute the NH case. It's simply too embarrasing to the Dutch and Aruban political system. They are too proud (some would say elite) to admit that government and politics rule their judicial system.

[Tamikosmom]

The thread "PROFILE OF JORAN'S LIES.......DOCUMENTED" on the FOB site where Natalee's Freebirds documents have been posted is constantly being bumped down.  Maybe somebody who is registered there could bump it right back up.

Janet

[Spock]

Aruba/Holland will concede an "incompetent" investigation. The world will be assured that those involved in the "incompetent" investigation no longer hold positions within law enforcement and ... steps have been taken to assure this type of injustice will never be allowed to happen again.

Think about it ... justice for Natalee implies not only accountability by Joran and Paulus. It implies accountability by those at all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were involved or had knowledge of the coverup/corrupt investigation. Then there is the sons of the elite and ... the judiciary. Also ... justice has the ability to expose dirty little secrets that go beyond the Natalee Holloway case that encompass drugs ... money laundering ... prostitution ... gambling ... pornography.

It grieves me but ... my heart says that it is too late to turn back the clock ... justice for Natalee Holloway is not going to happen ... the implications for Holland and Aruba are too overwhelming.

I came to that same conclusion a while back to. The Dutch will attempt to "clean up" the root causes of the flawed investigation and coverup, but will not prosecute the NH case. It's simply too embarrasing to the Dutch and Aruban political system. They are too proud (some would say elite) to admit that government and politics rule their judicial system.

I wanted to add, in the NL and much of Europe, the influential are given some preferential treatment on criminal prosecution. This affects how the case proceeds. This happens in class based societies. IMO.

[Anna]

Moon-shine must be getting distraught,she's bumping her own post and the post is on top anyway..

ROFLMAO  

When I get bored I answer my own posts!  

I do that, too, Spock, when I feel ignored, just answer myself and go on.  I think it is what adults are supposed to do, lol!

I think in their off time they are investigating the beatings and rapings at the KIA by the august LE of that hellhole.  Note most of the detainees are not convicted which means they well may have been innocent or the guards don't want these juveniles telling a judge what they did to them so they just let them go afterward.

Imagine a place where the cops can pick up an innocent kid and take them to KIA and beat and rape them.

Does it get any worse than this?  And the UN knows about it.  

How about anybody who talks or offends the police can have this done to their child just like in terrorist countries.  They are below Third World where there is still often even some modicum of respect for children unlike this place.  Guess how it is back on the World [[edit]] list just as it was until recently on this kind of stuff with no laws against child pornography until around 1998 or 99.  It was LEGAL if you can imagine.  Guess that is the big attraction for some people who like cameras.

JMO

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