Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #81

[joesamas mama]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

Yes it was, evidently chloroform and xanax is used for this, I never knew that. One can just imagine who Casey all left Caylee with. Say hi to Joe.

Lucky charm told me where to find it. It may have been the show I listened to I believe last week, but I have slept since then. I just can't imagine a parent doing that or letting that happen to their child. IF that's the case, do you think Baez will go with Casey killed Caylee to protect her from the perverts that were doing this to her?

I told Joe you said hi and he rolled over and said hi back.

[Katysmom]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

I've noticed quite a few pics of Caylee with dark circles under her eyes.  Always have wondered if this meant anything.

[Tater]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

Not that many people really appreciate windchimes.I myself find them to be most annoying as I'd much rather hear the birds singing and crickets chirping.I would think the A's neighbors are ready to reclaim their neighborhood again and invite in alittle peace and quiet..jmo

[JodyO]

I think, if I am remembering correctly, that it was Cindy who said she had a fit after catching them during one of the videotaped interviews with LE. And yes, she said that was one of the "house rules" that Casey couldn't entertain in her bedroom, but I believe you are correct, that she then proceeded to blame the incident on Jesse, not on Casey. She was in the process of leading up to blaming him or trying to blame him for Caylee's disappearance, saying the bedroom incident was one of the reasons she couldn't ever trust Jesse, etc.

I never watched her interview, I can't stand to hear her voice. So she blames Jesse for everything. THanks Jody

The video interviews with Cindy were worth watching. You can see her manipulating (or thinking she is) the cops, trying to make them think that Jesse is menacing and tried to intimidate her (poor, timid Cindy,) not answering the cops' direct questions, trying to lead the police off the subject to something else, back to what info she wants them to have, etc. What a gem she is. After watching that stuff, you get the idea where Casey got her "talents." Cindy is much more proficient than her "apprentice."

[JodyO]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

I've noticed quite a few pics of Caylee with dark circles under her eyes.  Always have wondered if this meant anything.

Maybe that her mother dragged her around to all nite parties, leaving her to sleep on the floor or wherever, while all kinds of noisy adult activities went on around her... And that's probably the BEST possible situation the poor little kid had to endure.

[Keepthefaith]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

Not that many people really appreciate windchimes.I myself find them to be most annoying as I'd much rather hear the birds singing and crickets chirping.I would think the A's neighbors are ready to reclaim their neighborhood again and invite in alittle peace and quiet..jmo

From the way they allowed the stuffed animals to be takin without so much as a fight i think we're aware of who controls the neighborhood.If i lived there i would be pursuing every legal avenue to remember Caylee within the neighborhood!Not sweep her under the rug like the whole Anthony family did so they could continue to live the lie in peace.Caylee didn't get that opportunity......IT'S A SAD DAY IN OUR COUNTRY WHEN PEOPLE WOULD MUCH RATHER FORGET THE LIFE OF A 2 YEAR OLD SO THEY CAN LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.ME PERSONALLY.I CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH.REMEMBER CAYLEE AND IN DOING SUCH LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.....

[joesamas mama]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

Joesamas Mama,

Wendy Murphy was on Dana Pretzer's radio show either last week or the week before. Just look for her as one of the guests and it's around the 51-52 minute mark where she begins to speak. I believe you can get to it from this site, just under Dana Pretzer archives or previous shows. 

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Sunday, December 21, 2008 - Tonight’s Guests: ADA Robin Sax, Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch, Victims’ Right Advocate Wendy Murphy and Author Diane Fanning
December 21st, 2008

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/12/21/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-sunday-december-21-2008-tonight%e2%80%99s-guests-ada-robin-sax-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-victims%e2%80%99-right-advocate-wendy-murphy-and-au/

Thanks Janet, going to listen to it right now.

[Tater]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

Not that many people really appreciate windchimes.I myself find them to be most annoying as I'd much rather hear the birds singing and crickets chirping.I would think the A's neighbors are ready to reclaim their neighborhood again and invite in alittle peace and quiet..jmo

From the way they allowed the stuffed animals to be takin without so much as a fight i think we're aware of who controls the neighborhood.If i lived there i would be pursuing every legal avenue to remember Caylee within the neighborhood!Not sweep her under the rug like the whole Anthony family did so they could continue to live the lie in peace.Caylee didn't get that opportunity......IT'S A SAD DAY IN OUR COUNTRY WHEN PEOPLE WOULD MUCH RATHER FORGET THE LIFE OF A 2 YEAR OLD SO THEY CAN LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.ME PERSONALLY.I CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH.REMEMBER CAYLEE AND IN DOING SUCH LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.....

I personally don't think by not having windchimes dinging in the wind is at all sweeping Caylee under the rug.There are many children killed everyday across the globe and they are just as important as Caylee.I don't think a windchime memorial idea in the neighborhood is about remembering Caylee.It's more about terrorism against the Anthony's of whom I am no fan of.I think they have plenty of that already and will continue to for the rest of their lives.As far as donating the stuffed animals to homeless children,I thought that to be a grand idea whomever thought of it.Better that than rotting in the elements which is exactly what Caylee did..jmo again...

[joesamas mama]

I think, if I am remembering correctly, that it was Cindy who said she had a fit after catching them during one of the videotaped interviews with LE. And yes, she said that was one of the "house rules" that Casey couldn't entertain in her bedroom, but I believe you are correct, that she then proceeded to blame the incident on Jesse, not on Casey. She was in the process of leading up to blaming him or trying to blame him for Caylee's disappearance, saying the bedroom incident was one of the reasons she couldn't ever trust Jesse, etc.

I never watched her interview, I can't stand to hear her voice. So she blames Jesse for everything. THanks Jody

The video interviews with Cindy were worth watching. You can see her manipulating (or thinking she is) the cops, trying to make them think that Jesse is menacing and tried to intimidate her (poor, timid Cindy,) not answering the cops' direct questions, trying to lead the police off the subject to something else, back to what info she wants them to have, etc. What a gem she is. After watching that stuff, you get the idea where Casey got her "talents." Cindy is much more proficient than her "apprentice."

I may have to watch them. Casey got her talent from Cindy?  OMG and the woman is/was a nurse.

[no rose colored glasses]

I think, if I am remembering correctly, that it was Cindy who said she had a fit after catching them during one of the videotaped interviews with LE. And yes, she said that was one of the "house rules" that Casey couldn't entertain in her bedroom, but I believe you are correct, that she then proceeded to blame the incident on Jesse, not on Casey. She was in the process of leading up to blaming him or trying to blame him for Caylee's disappearance, saying the bedroom incident was one of the reasons she couldn't ever trust Jesse, etc.

I never watched her interview, I can't stand to hear her voice. So she blames Jesse for everything. THanks Jody

The video interviews with Cindy were worth watching. You can see her manipulating (or thinking she is) the cops, trying to make them think that Jesse is menacing and tried to intimidate her (poor, timid Cindy,) not answering the cops' direct questions, trying to lead the police off the subject to something else, back to what info she wants them to have, etc. What a gem she is. After watching that stuff, you get the idea where Casey got her "talents." Cindy is much more proficient than her "apprentice."

I may have to watch them. Casey got her talent from Cindy?  OMG and the woman is/was a nurse.

For sanity sake try to listen and watch only some, because Cindy scratches, squirms, rubs this and that to the point I was going crazy watching her. But it is very interesting listening to it all. Be back later, have to shop with my daughter.

[Keepthefaith]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

Not that many people really appreciate windchimes.I myself find them to be most annoying as I'd much rather hear the birds singing and crickets chirping.I would think the A's neighbors are ready to reclaim their neighborhood again and invite in alittle peace and quiet..jmo

From the way they allowed the stuffed animals to be takin without so much as a fight i think we're aware of who controls the neighborhood.If i lived there i would be pursuing every legal avenue to remember Caylee within the neighborhood!Not sweep her under the rug like the whole Anthony family did so they could continue to live the lie in peace.Caylee didn't get that opportunity......IT'S A SAD DAY IN OUR COUNTRY WHEN PEOPLE WOULD MUCH RATHER FORGET THE LIFE OF A 2 YEAR OLD SO THEY CAN LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.ME PERSONALLY.I CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH.REMEMBER CAYLEE AND IN DOING SUCH LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.....

I personally don't think by not having windchimes dinging in the wind is at all sweeping Caylee under the rug.There are many children killed everyday across the globe and they are just as important as Caylee.I don't think a windchime memorial idea in the neighborhood is about remembering Caylee.It's more about terrorism against the Anthony's of whom I am no fan of.I think they have plenty of that already and will continue to for the rest of their lives.As far as donating the stuffed animals to homeless children,I thought that to be a grand idea whomever thought of it.Better that than rotting in the elements which is exactly what Caylee did..jmo again...

We're now equating wind-chimes with terrorism?NO SYMPATHY,NO IMMUNITY,AS WELL AS PROSECUTE THE ANTHONY'S TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW!

[Babybear]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

I would hope they would put up the BIG LOUD windchimes that look like organ pipes. Just to p off the Ants.

If we have any Monkey's that do live in the area,and or know people in their neighborhood please pass along the message to have windchimes put anywhere and everywhere possible in the neighborhood that the Anthony's currently reside..TIA

I think a great big wind machine would be good.  Blow them right away.

[Keepthefaith]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

I would hope they would put up the BIG LOUD windchimes that look like organ pipes. Just to p off the Ants.

If we have any Monkey's that do live in the area,and or know people in their neighborhood please pass along the message to have windchimes put anywhere and everywhere possible in the neighborhood that the Anthony's currently reside..TIA

I think a great big wind machine would be good.  Blow them right away.

Since Joran is no longer living at home i'm sure the Van Der Sloot's would let the Anthony's stay in Joran's empty Apt. for some peace and quiet.That would also allow for the neighborhood to have some peace and quiet..

[Tater]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

Not that many people really appreciate windchimes.I myself find them to be most annoying as I'd much rather hear the birds singing and crickets chirping.I would think the A's neighbors are ready to reclaim their neighborhood again and invite in alittle peace and quiet..jmo

From the way they allowed the stuffed animals to be takin without so much as a fight i think we're aware of who controls the neighborhood.If i lived there i would be pursuing every legal avenue to remember Caylee within the neighborhood!Not sweep her under the rug like the whole Anthony family did so they could continue to live the lie in peace.Caylee didn't get that opportunity......IT'S A SAD DAY IN OUR COUNTRY WHEN PEOPLE WOULD MUCH RATHER FORGET THE LIFE OF A 2 YEAR OLD SO THEY CAN LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.ME PERSONALLY.I CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH.REMEMBER CAYLEE AND IN DOING SUCH LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.....

I personally don't think by not having windchimes dinging in the wind is at all sweeping Caylee under the rug.There are many children killed everyday across the globe and they are just as important as Caylee.I don't think a windchime memorial idea in the neighborhood is about remembering Caylee.It's more about terrorism against the Anthony's of whom I am no fan of.I think they have plenty of that already and will continue to for the rest of their lives.As far as donating the stuffed animals to homeless children,I thought that to be a grand idea whomever thought of it.Better that than rotting in the elements which is exactly what Caylee did..jmo again...

We're now equating wind-chimes with terrorism?NO SYMPATHY,NO IMMUNITY,AS WELL AS PROSECUTE THE ANTHONY'S TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW!

Yes I do when I see comments like this made,"A continuous reminder for those POS..."..Motive of heart against the Anthony's is what I see and not a memorial for Caylee.I do have sympathy for *all* involved..That even goes for all of us monkeys that have lost sleep and cried many tears too.I do not think immunity should be given so we agree there and if the prosecuter thinks they need prosecuting,I will support that decision as well.If it was my neighborhood,I'd simply tie a pink ribbon around a tree in my front yard.jmo

[mammy]

Responding to the Wid-chimes as a memorial!Wondeful idea...It would be absolutely amazing if all the Anthony's neighbors from the spot they found Caylee until you get to the Anthony's house put up wind-chimes in memorial of Caylee.With a few extra put right next door to the Anthony's.A continuous reminder for those POS...

Not that many people really appreciate windchimes.I myself find them to be most annoying as I'd much rather hear the birds singing and crickets chirping.I would think the A's neighbors are ready to reclaim their neighborhood again and invite in alittle peace and quiet..jmo

From the way they allowed the stuffed animals to be takin without so much as a fight i think we're aware of who controls the neighborhood.If i lived there i would be pursuing every legal avenue to remember Caylee within the neighborhood!Not sweep her under the rug like the whole Anthony family did so they could continue to live the lie in peace.Caylee didn't get that opportunity......IT'S A SAD DAY IN OUR COUNTRY WHEN PEOPLE WOULD MUCH RATHER FORGET THE LIFE OF A 2 YEAR OLD SO THEY CAN LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.ME PERSONALLY.I CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH.REMEMBER CAYLEE AND IN DOING SUCH LIVE A PEACEFUL LIFE.....

I personally don't think by not having windchimes dinging in the wind is at all sweeping Caylee under the rug.There are many children killed everyday across the globe and they are just as important as Caylee.I don't think a windchime memorial idea in the neighborhood is about remembering Caylee.It's more about terrorism against the Anthony's of whom I am no fan of.I think they have plenty of that already and will continue to for the rest of their lives.As far as donating the stuffed animals to homeless children,I thought that to be a grand idea whomever thought of it.Better that than rotting in the elements which is exactly what Caylee did..jmo again...

We're now equating wind-chimes with terrorism?NO SYMPATHY,NO IMMUNITY,AS WELL AS PROSECUTE THE ANTHONY'S TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW!

I agree!!

[Western Observr]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

Rose, I thought the same thing about abuse of Caylee. Not so much the child porn angle, but more that Casey would leave Caylee with just anyone. I heard Wendy Murphy last week on Dana's show, but I guess I didn't listen closely enough. Was it on that show that she said something about child porn? If not can you give me a hint where you heard it. TIA, tell Zoe hello!

Joesamas Mama,

Wendy Murphy was on Dana Pretzer's radio show either last week or the week before. Just look for her as one of the guests and it's around the 51-52 minute mark where she begins to speak. I believe you can get to it from this site, just under Dana Pretzer archives or previous shows. 

Thanks, I heard her on last week, but don't remember the pornography part. I will look it up!

She starts talking about child porn and the empty 'Zanny' apartment at around 58 minutes into the show. It is sickening that any mother would EVER do something like that but if you listen to Wendy it is most often the parents that sell their kids for that purpose. ugh.

[klaasend]

I am a Psychologist and this case fascinates me for several reasons. Now listening to the full interrogation with Casey, things really become a lot clearer. There is one part where one of the detectives is asking Casey how long Zeneida lived at Sawgrass. She states maybe 3-4 months. In another interview he says we know you are lying to us. We know you didn't drop Caylee off at Sawgrass, we checked and that apartment has been vacant since MARCH. Now, is this just coincidental? Or did Casey know this apartment was vacant? She admits to knowing friends there. With recent speculation from Wendy Murphy (who was on the Dana Pretzer show recently) it is believed that this apartment was the scene for possible sexual abuse to Caylee. She (Wendy) didn't buy the 'chloroform' to party excuse but rather said she has seen many cases where children are given Xanax and or chloroform to drug them so they do not know what is being done to them or have recollections about what happened to them.

When Casey is telling the detective about what she did when she was waiting for Zeneida to bring Caylee back to the apartment. If you listen to her, she seems as though she is telling a story rather than recounting what she did. "So, I sit down on the steps." "I wait for a little bit." "Time Passed." I have a daughter who is one year younger than Caylee. If I were in this situation explaining what I did. The timeline would go something like this:

Ok, no one is home, stand around a wait for a few minutes (3-5). After 5 minutes, I would walk back to my car and look for Zeneida. I would watch carefully who was driving by, who was coming in and who was leaving. Let's say 10 minutes have passed. My stomach is tugging at me, I'm nervous but I'm composed. CASEY says, "I didn't hear from "ANYONE". Anyone like who? Why does she say ANYONE vs Zanny or Zeneida, there is no recollection connection from the "Nanny." So, after 10 minutes of being patient and going back in my mind to see if I forgot something that my nanny may have told me, checking my text messages, checking to see if she called and I just didn't get the call, making absolutely sure that this is where I was to pick up my daughter. I would start dialing and if I didn't get anyone on the phone, I would leave a message. At this point we are somewhere between 10-13 minutes. I would start knocking on other apartments close to Zanny's to see if anyone saw her today. I would continue to call Zanny on her cell with increasing panic. The fear mode would kick in and I would be a ball of stress and fear. After 15 minutes, I would be in a frenzy. I would have been checking my watch or cell phone constantly for the time.

OK-Mothers out there, you tell me. Is this not how we would react?

Casey states she then went to stores that Zenaida has gone to, checking to see if she was just there loosing track of time while she was in care for Caylee. She went to Jay Blanchard Park. Casey says she went to a "Neutral Place." What is that? In a state of panic, where is the neutral place? And why would you go there? I know her friends and her hung out in the woods where Caylee was eventually found. Is this what she is referencing?

The detective goes on to say in a different part of the interview the day after Caylee allegedly called Casey. Did you call the police after this call? "No." Why not? "I was naive enough to think...." Naive is defined as "Lacking worldly experience and understanding." She is 22. At 22 you think you know everything. I take this to mean Casey is filling in the blanks in this very large lie she is spinning. To me, it's an indication that she is trying to be mature, adult, responsible. If she were 42 and said the same thing, it would sound more plausible, even though at 42 you would expect a reasonable person to not try and handle something of this magnitude on their own.

Casey appears robotic in her recollection of this day. It is evident she has no connection to Caylee being in danger, peril. Why is this? Because she already knows what has happened and where Caylee is. When a person does not connect to their memories with emotion, this typically means they feel nothing. I've heard people ask, how is that possible? I explain it like this. Imagine not being able to see. We can all imagine how the lack of this sensory perception would affect our lives. Now think if we could not feel someone touch us, our nerve endings didn't connect and touching a soft fuzzy teddy bear felt the same as a piece of paper. That would feel strange to us. With Casey, she feels nothing emotionally. When something bad happens, she has no connection (empathy or sympathy, whichever fits the scenario) to the event. You can hear this in her jail calls. She doesn't understand why her parents are frantic to get Caylee back. When talking to her mother the day of the initial 911 calls. "Mom, give me one more day." She can't measure any depth and therefore doesn't understand the magnitude of her actions. (Now, this does not reduce her mental capacity in the least, nor is it an excuse for her behavior) I am only trying to define it in terms for better understanding.

I can recall childhood memories with all sorts of emotions. Sad, happy, mad, excited, etc. When we tell these stories to our friends and family, we tell rich stories so that they can 'experience' it like we did. We use inflection in our voices to emphasize important details or funny events. We can become teary when we think of something that caused us grief, whether that be a lost doll, a pet dying or the loss of a mother or father. You can see during these interrogations, she didn't have any of this.

In many cases she just answers the questions by using what he's already said. "Didn't you think it was odd" Casey says, "Yes, it was extremely odd." When she believes they are on her side, she starts to become more conversational. When they start saying she is lying, she says Uh-huh or is inaudible.

During one of the jail calls between Cindy and Casey. Cindy says, "So you are blaming me that you are in jail?" "Well, it's not my fault," Casey responds with a cutting tone. Hmmmm, let's see. You are the mother Casey. It is your responsibility to watch and care for Caylee. You drop her off in the AM and then go to pick her up and she's not there. You have a nanny that you have been using for 2 to 2 1/2 years and you can't recall her current phone number? How is this NOT your responsibility?

This statement in itself is very indicative of how Casey felt about her 'responsibility' of caring for Caylee. Bottom line is she didn't feel any connection to that responsibility. She didn't 'change' her behavior as Jesse explains that this is not the Casey he knew her to be. She's always been the same person. She has just chosen who sees her and in what context. The minute the paternity test came back (as she knew it would) she could no longer manipulate Jesse into believing something that was absolutely false. Her goal was to manipulate him, not just find a father for Caylee. One more thing and then I will let you ponder. Richard Grund states that many of the family would watch Caylee when Casey worked. Jesse, himself and Jesse's younger brother. Then one day Grund meets her at the door and says, "What are we going to do about the daycare situation?" Now, this is not a one time conversation that you dump on them the minute they walk in the door. This is a conversation that had been talked about at the dinner table, etc. The day he confronts her, she knows her gig is up. In the police interrogation, she states she knew Zeneida when she was PG with Caylee. She had to drop out of HS due to becomming PG. So, we can establish a timeline for how long she's known Zanny. From seeing the pictures of Jesse holding Caylee, some of those pictures are when Caylee is just a few months old. So, we can assume that she knows Zanny. So, if these conversations have been taking place over the stress of needing Casey to find a solution, why doesn't she mention, "Hey, I know this girl who watches my friend's Jeff son, I'll ask her." She only mentions this to Grund the day he confronts her. "Yes, I have a nanny and her name is Zanny." And that was that. Soon after, she and Jesse break up. Jesse is left to wonder why, he states it's because Casey says he loved Caylee more than he loved her. Because Casey can't feel the depth of emotion, she doesn't understand how senseless her statement is. I mean, an ideal situation for any single mother is to know that your fiancee has unconditional love for your child. Bottom line, she knew her gig was up and it was up at the hands of Richard Grund, first for making Jesse get a paternity test and for confronting her on the daycare issue. This is why she left, she had to go find another victim to manipulate.

Yes, it was all about Casey.  Now, how did Caylee die?

[Western Observr]

luckycharmsprincess..... Thank-you for that, very interesting, when you look at some of Casey's friends, they seem like they would be able to manipulate easily. I would imagine she would not befriend anyone who was not. I keep going back to the Sawgrass Apts, I had never thought or probably did not want to think that Caylee was being used for child pornography, but after listening to Wendy Murphy, I just stood back and went, please don't let it be that. My husband after telling him of the compromising pics of Casey months ago, looked at me and pretty much said, I wonder if Caylee was being abused. I am one who is not sold on the choloraform angle of keeping Caylee quiet, for me that doesn't make a lot of sense since it doesn't knock you out for long. I certainly hope this is not the case, that Caylee had to go through this, but I will not be surprised if it turns out to be. I've mentioned before that I worried about Caylee being abused, because who knows some of the people Casey left her with, but pics or movies of Caylee didn't enter my mind until I heard Wendy Murphy discuss this.

I've noticed quite a few pics of Caylee with dark circles under her eyes.  Always have wondered if this meant anything.

Maybe that her mother dragged her around to all nite parties, leaving her to sleep on the floor or wherever, while all kinds of noisy adult activities went on around her... And that's probably the BEST possible situation the poor little kid had to endure.

Listen to the Dana Pretzer show for Dec 21-  in particular the Wendy Murphy interview. She has a whole different opinion of what Casey was doing with Caylee all those nights away from home..

[Kat_Gram]

I dislike windchimes. Some of the neighbours had them. Annoying as all heck. They got complaints as those thing chimed in the middle of the night and the sound carried so that everyone within 1/2 a block enjoyed the noise. Windchimes gone. What good to anything would windchimes do ? The ANTS have to live in that house and with themselves. Caylee's belongings are in the house. That must be torture in itself. They have been in that house alot for the past week or so. They can't even go into the backyard without seeing Caylee's things. Can't go into Casey's room without seeing the destruction made by LE. Can't turn on the tv as they might hear something unpleasant about themselves. Can't go anywhere without seeing other families, happy and joyous in this festive season. Their support system is mostly lawyers. How lovely for them.     

[Bearlyhere]

Hi Bearly, I tried to copy a picture of 2nJ from the Casey Anthony picture that Blonde made, and instead I ended up copying it to the same page.  I know.  Well, I cant fix everything with a broom.  Anywhoo, it is the one where Casey is smoking a cigar, but you thought she had a roll of life savers in her mouth.  She is drinking out of a glass that has shamrocks on it......

Hi A-1!

Sorry I missed you.  I know what picture you are talking about.  I did think it was a roll of life savers, you have a good memory!