Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[San]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

[Observer]

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

That is correct!

[MumInOhio]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

[caesu]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

Antonito Gordiano "Mito" Croes (1946)
mitocroes@hotmail.nl

he is from AVP party.

has been minister of justice and minister of state reforms for the Antilles since 1982 (before Aruba got status aparte).
later was minister of social affairs for Aruba.
used to be Aruban minister plenipotentiary in the Netherlands for the previous AVP Eman government (1994-2001).

appears to be close to Hirsch Ballin.
Hirsch Ballin was his promoter when he became doctor of law studies in 2004.

wrote some books about constitutional affairs in concerning Antilles/Aruba - Netherlands within the European Union.

http://webapp.uvt.nl/fsw/spitsjohn.nb_lib.frmToonPersbericht?v_id=6273

not directly related to Rudy, Hendrik, Betico Croes probably (MEP party).
but i am not sure about that because after Betico's death the family fell somewhat apart while fighting for his legacy.
(a son of Betico for example has his own political party - Glenbert Croes OLA - Aruban Liberal Party).

[Lala'sMom]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

 

[MumInOhio]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

Antonito Gordiano "Mito" Croes (1946)
mitocroes@hotmail.nl

he is from AVP party.

has been minister of justice and minister of state reforms for the Antilles since 1982 (before Aruba got status aparte).
later was minister of social affairs for Aruba.
used to be Aruban minister plenipotentiary in the Netherlands for the previous AVP Eman government (1994-2001).

appears to be close to Hirsch Ballin.
Hirsch Ballin was his promoter when he became doctor of law studies in 2004.

wrote some books about constitutional affairs in concerning Antilles/Aruba - Netherlands within the European Union.

http://webapp.uvt.nl/fsw/spitsjohn.nb_lib.frmToonPersbericht?v_id=6273

not directly related to Rudy, Hendrik, Betico Croes probably (MEP party).
but i am not sure about that because after Betico's death the family fell somewhat apart while fighting for his legacy.
(a son of Betico for example has his own political party - Glenbert Croes OLA - Aruban Liberal Party).

Thanks caesu, once again for all the information. I believe I am thinking of the wrong person. I had ran across Milo Croes, IIRC. I think he is in the Netherlands. Am I correct on there also being a Milo Croes?  Once again TIA

[Lala'sMom]

I guess Amelia is being paid rather well for her cooperation now. 

[SS]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

Didn't CAPS have us checking Mito Croes?

[Lala'sMom]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

Didn't CAPS have us checking Mito Croes?

Yes, I just posted over in Shango about it.

[MumInOhio]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

Didn't CAPS have us checking Mito Croes?

Yes, I just posted over in Shango about it.

Thanks Lala's for the memory jog! I'm straight now caesu Thanks!

[caesu]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

Antonito Gordiano "Mito" Croes (1946)
mitocroes@hotmail.nl

he is from AVP party.

has been minister of justice and minister of state reforms for the Antilles since 1982 (before Aruba got status aparte).
later was minister of social affairs for Aruba.
used to be Aruban minister plenipotentiary in the Netherlands for the previous AVP Eman government (1994-2001).

appears to be close to Hirsch Ballin.
Hirsch Ballin was his promoter when he became doctor of law studies in 2004.

wrote some books about constitutional affairs in concerning Antilles/Aruba - Netherlands within the European Union.

http://webapp.uvt.nl/fsw/spitsjohn.nb_lib.frmToonPersbericht?v_id=6273

not directly related to Rudy, Hendrik, Betico Croes probably (MEP party).
but i am not sure about that because after Betico's death the family fell somewhat apart while fighting for his legacy.
(a son of Betico for example has his own political party - Glenbert Croes OLA - Aruban Liberal Party).

Thanks caesu, once again for all the information. I believe I am thinking of the wrong person. I had ran across Milo Croes, IIRC. I think he is in the Netherlands. Am I correct on there also being a Milo Croes?  Once again TIA

this Mito Croes is often in the Netherlands i presume.
he is doctor in law studies for the University of Tilburg.
http://www.uvt.nl/masterkiezers/studiekeuze/afstudeerportretten/frw/croes.html
same University where Hirsch Ballin is professor.

there is also a Frido Croes. he is currently Aruban minister plenipotentiary in the Netherlands, MEP party.

there is a Milo Croes who heads the Carnival Association, the father of the Aruban Carnival
i think some steets are named after him.

[sharon]

GBMW- I wonder how Joran pays for all this travel, with just the pages from his passport posted here? Something for LE to ponder for a few seconds. His parents don't appear to have the means to finance globe trotting.
Yes, Klass get well soon!!!

I think when originally in Aruba as we know joran gambled, possibly robbed ( I recall reading where one of his friends had said he broke into tourists cars), and then it is very possible that he sold or had a part in selling illicit photos/videos. I know much of this is speculative, but just tossing it out there. But primarily I think he was paid by the casinos for his gambling (money laundering), didn't matter if he were good or bad at it, just had to generate the turnover of money at the tables. MOO

^5

Mine, too bb

[San]

I guess Amelia is being paid rather well for her cooperation now. 

I guess everyone has a price.

[MumInOhio]

Looks like the Dutch Govt continues to feed Paul Van Der Sloot work. Strange how all the lying suspects in Aruba continue to prosper.

PAULUS A MEDIATOR???  snippet of another subscriber article in www.amigoe.com dutch version

Aruba ` you must finally still with each other further
 subscriber Article by Sharina Henriquez

ORANJESTAD - oud-minister and staatsrechtdeskundige Mito Croes, clerk of the states Jacqueline bass tin, lawyers Paul of of the ditch and Amelie Flanegin and even the deputy representative of the Netherlands, Miriam Jacobs.

The first ` klasje from the first training to medium bug given on Aruba, contain a number of sounding names. They moreover hurries itself certainly as Aruba's first mediators which get to work. Because conflicts here enough; Aruba even had the past two months the longest strike in its history.

3 May, 2008, 17.10 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php

Isn't Amelie Flanegin the one who quit the investigation because they would not interview Koen.

Yes she is!

Caesu...Can you tell us anything about this Mr Croes?...I took a quick look at him a while back and didn't find much. Not even sure how I stumbled across the name. TIA

Antonito Gordiano "Mito" Croes (1946)
mitocroes@hotmail.nl

he is from AVP party.

has been minister of justice and minister of state reforms for the Antilles since 1982 (before Aruba got status aparte).
later was minister of social affairs for Aruba.
used to be Aruban minister plenipotentiary in the Netherlands for the previous AVP Eman government (1994-2001).

appears to be close to Hirsch Ballin.
Hirsch Ballin was his promoter when he became doctor of law studies in 2004.

wrote some books about constitutional affairs in concerning Antilles/Aruba - Netherlands within the European Union.

http://webapp.uvt.nl/fsw/spitsjohn.nb_lib.frmToonPersbericht?v_id=6273

not directly related to Rudy, Hendrik, Betico Croes probably (MEP party).
but i am not sure about that because after Betico's death the family fell somewhat apart while fighting for his legacy.
(a son of Betico for example has his own political party - Glenbert Croes OLA - Aruban Liberal Party).

Thanks caesu, once again for all the information. I believe I am thinking of the wrong person. I had ran across Milo Croes, IIRC. I think he is in the Netherlands. Am I correct on there also being a Milo Croes?  Once again TIA

this Mito Croes is often in the Netherlands i presume.
he is doctor in law studies for the University of Tilburg.
http://www.uvt.nl/masterkiezers/studiekeuze/afstudeerportretten/frw/croes.html
same University where Hirsch Ballin is professor.

there is also a Frido Croes. he is currently Aruban minister plenipotentiary in the Netherlands, MEP party.

there is a Milo Croes who heads the Carnival Association, the father of the Aruban Carnival
i think some steets are named after him.

Thanks caesu...Mito is the right one...University of Tilburg.

[Bearlyhere]

What a HOOT!  So somebody thinks I'm a grandma?  BITE ME.  Not even close.

I think part of the reason the "people of Aruba" don't do anything is because they are used to being told by the govt what they should know, do, think, eat, etc.  Perhaps they really don't have the power to protest whether because they are just too lazy or just too used to getting the big BOHICA (bend over - here it comes again) from the govt so they don't even try.  I can't really expect the poorer natives to give a darn about a pretty American girl even if she was victimized on their island.  I think the Dutch do whatever they damn well please and get away with it because it's a freaking tradition for them.

JMO

Do you taste like chicken???

[Observer]

Thanks caesu...Mito is the right one...University of Tilburg.

Ahh that Paul Van Der Sloots alma matter...Another one of Paul's buddys? The Aruban Governemnt has there backs to the wall and who did they send in as a mediater?    If you want to take down Paul Van Der Sloot you will have to take on that Govt also.

[Bearlyhere]

Is Klassend back in the hospital?? Is there anything we can do for her?

Hi there!
I think Klaas did not get released as we had thought previously. It is my understanding that she is still feeling pretty bad and maybe she will get home today or tomorrow.  She needs to go to a hotel and not back to her house until all the painting and work is done.  I am sure that is what made her so ill...never know what's under all that dirt and she pretty much got a big dose of it from the beginning. I know her DH and doggies are missing her as we are all missing her too.

BTW...welcome to the cage! 

This was my fault for giving wrong information.  When I spoke to Klaas briefly she mentioned she should be released on Sunday.  Then I saw her signed on SM on Saturday night and thought she got released early.  My apologies for not giving the right information and jumping the gun.

Maybe you thought if you wished hard enough, it would be true.  No apologies necessary. 

                     

[Bearlyhere]

Is Klassend back in the hospital?? Is there anything we can do for her?

Hi there!
I think Klaas did not get released as we had thought previously. It is my understanding that she is still feeling pretty bad and maybe she will get home today or tomorrow.  She needs to go to a hotel and not back to her house until all the painting and work is done.  I am sure that is what made her so ill...never know what's under all that dirt and she pretty much got a big dose of it from the beginning. I know her DH and doggies are missing her as we are all missing her too.

BTW...welcome to the cage! 

This was my fault for giving wrong information.  When I spoke to Klaas briefly she mentioned she should be released on Sunday.  Then I saw her signed on SM on Saturday night and thought she got released early.  My apologies for not giving the right information and jumping the gun.

That's okay San, you had your hands full trying make us behave...we were all wishing it to be so too.

Okay Lala's, this is the third time today we had similar thoughts.  Are you tapping into my inner monkey?


                                             

[Destiny]

I was Bored and *stirred* the pot earlier today....

This just in from Diario....kinda late nite email too....what should I reply?


Hi XXXXXXXXX

Why was the passport of Joran appeared online.

You have more information about it.

Let me know.Thks

 

XXXXXXXXX

[Destiny]

*******...check ur email