Natalee Case Discussion #762 6/30 - 7/6/08

[Rob]

I'll see you all later - I have hit my breaking point reading post after post from the "victim" here.

have a nice day all.. see you later.

[bleachedblack]

 

Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and....

Hope the fella wasn't out celebrating at favorite watering hole and slipped a little som' som'
holy croe ....I mean croes.....i mean crow.

[Buckeye]

this hit-and-run of Hendrik Croes was reported in Dutch newspapers.
there was said that Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
also in the Aruban papers.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/article514116.ece/Oud-minister_Aruba_vast_om_aanrijden_agent?service=Print

but i am still unsure about when Hendrik was exactly justice minister.
at least from 1989. but i don't know when Rudy took over from him. in 2005? i doubt that now.
but in more other articles i read that Rudy was already justice minister before 2004, already in 1993 even.

Rudy's initials are H. R. (Hyacinto Rudolf or Rudolfus).
and Hendrik's are H. S.

here my earlier research on Hendrik:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367294#msg367294

and on Rudy:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367223#msg367223


here article about the Croes family:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article191211.ece

also mentioned is Glenbert Croes, a son of Betico.
he started his own party. let to a family feud. a fight for Betico's legacy.

Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know the name of said party? TIA

Glenbert Croes party is Aruban Liberal Organization ALO.
no seats in parliament currently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruban_Liberal_Organization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Aruba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Aruba

Wasn't Rudy Minister in the earlie 90s?
Around the time that Paulus came from Holland to Aruba and worked for the gov't as an attorney.

Tico Croes...maybe....

[BTgirl]

It would be lovely for all of us if everyone here could be polite and kind to one another. After all, we can be very different and still respect and like each other - right? 

[caesu]

this hit-and-run of Hendrik Croes was reported in Dutch newspapers.
there was said that Rudy and Hendrik are brothers.
also in the Aruban papers.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/article514116.ece/Oud-minister_Aruba_vast_om_aanrijden_agent?service=Print

but i am still unsure about when Hendrik was exactly justice minister.
at least from 1989. but i don't know when Rudy took over from him. in 2005? i doubt that now.
but in more other articles i read that Rudy was already justice minister before 2004, already in 1993 even.

Rudy's initials are H. R. (Hyacinto Rudolf or Rudolfus).
and Hendrik's are H. S.

here my earlier research on Hendrik:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367294#msg367294

and on Rudy:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367223#msg367223


here article about the Croes family:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article191211.ece

also mentioned is Glenbert Croes, a son of Betico.
he started his own party. let to a family feud. a fight for Betico's legacy.

Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know the name of said party? TIA

Glenbert Croes party is Aruban Liberal Organization ALO.
no seats in parliament currently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruban_Liberal_Organization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Aruba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Aruba

Wasn't Rudy Minister in the earlie 90s?
Around the time that Paulus came from Holland to Aruba and worked for the gov't as an attorney.

Tico Croes...maybe....

it think Rudy was justice minister from 1993 for a short period. and again in 2001.
before 1993 Hendrik was justice minister.

Rober(tico) is of the other party, the AVP. not directly related to the Croes brothers.
he was finance minister from before 2001.

there is also a Frido Croes he is now minister plenipotentiary for aruba in the netherlands.
he is connected to the MEP party.

and there is a Mito Croes. has was minister plenipotentiary from 1994 until 2001.
he is of the AVP party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_Plenipotentiary_of_Aruba

[SS]

I just think it would be wonderful if we started anonymously mailing DTKM bars of soap to wash his hands.  Do you think he'd get the message?   

[KarmaRoundUp]

Sorry, I can't translate Pap but, maybe this tells something:

Na aña 1968, na yegada di e rumannan Rudy y despues Tommy cu tabata studia na Hulanda, a dicidi di formalisa e grupo formando asina e agrupacion tipico parandero cu despues a wordo bon conoci como Betico Y Su Grupo. E grupo tabata forma pa rumannan Betico, Rudy, Aiky, Tommy, Efrain, Hendrik y Adison, mientras cu e rumannan muher Ada, Chichia, Mary, Didi hunto cu nan famia, tanta, omonan y demas famia, tur tabata participa cantando of tocando un instrumento.

From: http://us.profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=283019688

Thank you MrsKub
from the myspace page of Hildward

Hildward Croes was born on the Caribbean island of Aruba on a 7th of September, into a musical family rich in the traditions of the island’s artistic past. His mother Ada is a singer and his father Maiky is a musician, singer, and choir director of their hometown church of Santa Cruz.

At an early age Mr. and Mrs. Croes encouraged their four sons to participate in the church choir on Sundays. This has been an important musical influence on the entire Croes family.

Since little Hildward was performing with different youth groups. A music-lover since birth, he started playing the piano at home with the help of his father at the age of 8. After a few years playing by ear, he began taking piano lessons with various music teachers on the island.

While forming part of the band that accompanied their church choir, Hildward and his brother Michael were invited to start the band Cryptus Confession. Cryptus quickly became one of the most popular pop-rock bands of Aruba, recording their number 1 hit: "Love Dream", part of a successful album of his original compositions. The album was recorded at Criteria Studios, Miami (studio famous in those days for recordings of The Bee Gees, Elton John, and The Eagles' Hotel California). With Cryptus Confession, he toured Venezuela, South America, and other Caribbean islands extensively.

Hildward received a scholarship from the Arubian government to study music at the renowned Berklee College of Music in Boston. While in Boston he received regular invitations to participate in recordings and to perform in concerts and recitals. He finished his bachelors degree in professional music and continued his post-graduate studies at Bowling Green State University, in Ohio. He returned to Aruba with a master of music degree and became one of the most sought after arrangers and producers of the area. He produced numerous hits for artists and groups in Aruba, Curacao, and other Caribbean islands.

After he was comissioned to produce an album of Caribbean music for the record label Sonografica in Caracas, Venezuela, he got noticed by the "merengue-king": Wilfrido Vargas. Vargas immediately signed him to be a part of his orchestra and produce records for his corporation. He toured Europe, North, Central and South America with the Wilfrido Vargas orchestra playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for the live shows. During this time he also arranged and produced for many successful Latin American acts such as Las Chicas Del Can, Altamira Banda Show, Mandarina, Eddy Herrera, Roy Tavare, Micky Taveras, and of course Wilfrido Vargas.

He earned an American Grammy Award nomination in the Latin-Tropical category for his work on the album Animacion by Wilfrido Vargas, which he co-produced. The same year he won first prize in the international competition of arrangements of the world-popular hit-song of that time: Lambada, which he arranged and produced for the popular ladies-group: Las Chicas Del Can.

Soon he got noticed by the world-famous latin singer-songwriter Juan Luis Guerra and joined his orchestra in 1990. For 5 years Hildward toured the world performing sold-out concerts playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40.

Hildward was awarded prestigious prizes and recognitions in his native Aruba on numerous occasions. Awards such as 'arranger of the year', 'musician of the year', 'music-man of the year', etc. He was awarded 'musician of the decade' and received the distinguished honor of being named 'man of the year' by the local press in 1991.

After Juan Luis Guerra retired from the music scene for a few years in the mid 1990s, he chose to return to his native Aruba, where he was once again one of the most popular producers on the island, as well as a regular performer in local shows, night-clubs, hotels and casinos.

In 1997 he received a call from his old friend Chichi Peralta who invited him to be a part of his then newly formed project: Son Familia. He met and established a strong friendship with Chichi Peralta who was one of the main percussionist of Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40. With Chichi Peralta + Son Familia he was once again touring the world playing sold-out concert halls and stadiums.

In 1999 he participated extensively as an advisor, arranger, keyboardist, and music calligrapher in the production of the CD: De Vuelta Al Barrio, which earned them a Latin Grammy Award for best merengue album in 2001. The live CD/DVD release En Vivo by Chichi Peralta became a huge success in France and other parts of Europe. He made musical arrangements and played the accordion, piano, and keyboards on Chichi Peralta's latest release: Mas Que Suficiente, which again earned them a Latin Grammy nomination in 2006.

Hildward directs and writes for his own Dushi Band which has become one of the most popular local bands especially during the carnival festivities producing hit songs year after year and winning music contests on many occasions. He also plays the accordion with Grupo Di Betico; a typical acoustic folkloric music group that performs regularly at the end of each year during the holiday season formed entirely by Croes' family members. While on Aruba, he can be found playing his heart out with local bands such as JEMM (Funk, Rock), Sonic Lab 297 (Latin Funk Rock), Antonio Bello Blues (Blues, Rock), Soul Cowboy (Nu-Jazz, Fusion), Roots Rebels (Reggae), and others.

He directs show and special event orchestras and has his own production company where he continues to produce music for film, TV, radio ads, jingles, as well as projects for artists around the Caribbean and South America out of his home-studio: Vanilla Kingdom. He recently wrote Rumba Aruba for the Aruba Tourism Authority's international ad campaign, and won the 2007 Aruba Carnival Roadmarch Festival with the song: Music (Music is we language!).

In his free time Hildward chooses to enjoy watersports in the Caribbean sun and relaxes on the white sandy beaches of his native Aruba.

At the end of 2007 Hildward Croes once again received the distinguished recognition of "Artist Of The Year" by the local media.

HILDWARD CROES' RUMBA ARUBA

[dennisintn]

Klaas....can you or CBB at some future date...only if you have time....find an itty bitty machine gun to mount on my switchboard?  I know it's not very Lady like...but who gives a fcuk...

destiny, since you do your best work long distance, you need a rack or two of cruise missles or maybe a b-2 bomber. 
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Things are usually black and white to me.  Either I believe the person or I don't.  That's how I am when I view things.  I feel the same way as ******* does about Patrick.  There are people who don't.  We all have different thoughts about the subject.

This has gone on since yesterday and I'm tired of reading about it and I don't want to see fighting.  I say let's move on a drop the subject.

That's your right...and nothing wrong with that at all.

It's easy for you to say drop the subject though...you're not the one that's been called a stupid, crazy, lying wheasel for no reason by a mod.

It is not easy for me to say drop the subject.  I said it after you defended yourself in a post. I'm tired of reading about this drama between you and *******.

I'm the one that's being called a liar etc. by a mod for no reason. I have every right to stand up for myself. If you don't like it....skip the posts. TIA

GBMW - San is also a Moderator here at SM and as a Moderator kindly asked you to drop it in this thread.  I, as Administrator am also asking you to kindly drop it in this thread.

Do not attempt again to tell a Moderator or Administrator to simply skip your post if they don't like it.

[Blonde]

I like that Can't take the heat then don't start the fire

[Buckeye]

Rereading at Getagrip:

Besides, whether Van der Sloot had lied in his ‘confession’ or not, it still is not a confession about murder, says the lawyer. According to Antillean law, a person that buries, hides, carries off, or takes off a body with the intention of concealing the death, will be sentenced to a maximum of 6 months imprisonment or a fine of a maximum of 300 guilders. It is not possible to keep the person in custody for such fact. Spong is wondering why, after professional judicial advice of his father, Joran van der Sloot, while knowing that the criminal consequences for him are so relatively small, has opted to remain silent in the Holloway-case.


Interesting...if Joran was only involved in disposal after an accidental death, he would probably qualify for time served.  He must be responsible for Natalee's death....or his legal advise would be to confess to the lesser charge.  No other reason to remain silent.     Must be more than disposal.

[Buckeye]

Link to above:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/doubt-about-use-of-evidence-from-hidden.html

[Lala'sMom]

Sorry, I can't translate Pap but, maybe this tells something:

Na aña 1968, na yegada di e rumannan Rudy y despues Tommy cu tabata studia na Hulanda, a dicidi di formalisa e grupo formando asina e agrupacion tipico parandero cu despues a wordo bon conoci como Betico Y Su Grupo. E grupo tabata forma pa rumannan Betico, Rudy, Aiky, Tommy, Efrain, Hendrik y Adison, mientras cu e rumannan muher Ada, Chichia, Mary, Didi hunto cu nan famia, tanta, omonan y demas famia, tur tabata participa cantando of tocando un instrumento.

From: http://us.profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=283019688

Thank you MrsKub
from the myspace page of Hildward

Hildward Croes was born on the Caribbean island of Aruba on a 7th of September, into a musical family rich in the traditions of the island’s artistic past. His mother Ada is a singer and his father Maiky is a musician, singer, and choir director of their hometown church of Santa Cruz.

At an early age Mr. and Mrs. Croes encouraged their four sons to participate in the church choir on Sundays. This has been an important musical influence on the entire Croes family.

Since little Hildward was performing with different youth groups. A music-lover since birth, he started playing the piano at home with the help of his father at the age of 8. After a few years playing by ear, he began taking piano lessons with various music teachers on the island.

While forming part of the band that accompanied their church choir, Hildward and his brother Michael were invited to start the band Cryptus Confession. Cryptus quickly became one of the most popular pop-rock bands of Aruba, recording their number 1 hit: "Love Dream", part of a successful album of his original compositions. The album was recorded at Criteria Studios, Miami (studio famous in those days for recordings of The Bee Gees, Elton John, and The Eagles' Hotel California). With Cryptus Confession, he toured Venezuela, South America, and other Caribbean islands extensively.

Hildward received a scholarship from the Arubian government to study music at the renowned Berklee College of Music in Boston. While in Boston he received regular invitations to participate in recordings and to perform in concerts and recitals. He finished his bachelors degree in professional music and continued his post-graduate studies at Bowling Green State University, in Ohio. He returned to Aruba with a master of music degree and became one of the most sought after arrangers and producers of the area. He produced numerous hits for artists and groups in Aruba, Curacao, and other Caribbean islands.

After he was comissioned to produce an album of Caribbean music for the record label Sonografica in Caracas, Venezuela, he got noticed by the "merengue-king": Wilfrido Vargas. Vargas immediately signed him to be a part of his orchestra and produce records for his corporation. He toured Europe, North, Central and South America with the Wilfrido Vargas orchestra playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for the live shows. During this time he also arranged and produced for many successful Latin American acts such as Las Chicas Del Can, Altamira Banda Show, Mandarina, Eddy Herrera, Roy Tavare, Micky Taveras, and of course Wilfrido Vargas.

He earned an American Grammy Award nomination in the Latin-Tropical category for his work on the album Animacion by Wilfrido Vargas, which he co-produced. The same year he won first prize in the international competition of arrangements of the world-popular hit-song of that time: Lambada, which he arranged and produced for the popular ladies-group: Las Chicas Del Can.

Soon he got noticed by the world-famous latin singer-songwriter Juan Luis Guerra and joined his orchestra in 1990. For 5 years Hildward toured the world performing sold-out concerts playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40.

Hildward was awarded prestigious prizes and recognitions in his native Aruba on numerous occasions. Awards such as 'arranger of the year', 'musician of the year', 'music-man of the year', etc. He was awarded 'musician of the decade' and received the distinguished honor of being named 'man of the year' by the local press in 1991.

After Juan Luis Guerra retired from the music scene for a few years in the mid 1990s, he chose to return to his native Aruba, where he was once again one of the most popular producers on the island, as well as a regular performer in local shows, night-clubs, hotels and casinos.

In 1997 he received a call from his old friend Chichi Peralta who invited him to be a part of his then newly formed project: Son Familia. He met and established a strong friendship with Chichi Peralta who was one of the main percussionist of Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40. With Chichi Peralta + Son Familia he was once again touring the world playing sold-out concert halls and stadiums.

In 1999 he participated extensively as an advisor, arranger, keyboardist, and music calligrapher in the production of the CD: De Vuelta Al Barrio, which earned them a Latin Grammy Award for best merengue album in 2001. The live CD/DVD release En Vivo by Chichi Peralta became a huge success in France and other parts of Europe. He made musical arrangements and played the accordion, piano, and keyboards on Chichi Peralta's latest release: Mas Que Suficiente, which again earned them a Latin Grammy nomination in 2006.

Hildward directs and writes for his own Dushi Band which has become one of the most popular local bands especially during the carnival festivities producing hit songs year after year and winning music contests on many occasions. He also plays the accordion with Grupo Di Betico; a typical acoustic folkloric music group that performs regularly at the end of each year during the holiday season formed entirely by Croes' family members. While on Aruba, he can be found playing his heart out with local bands such as JEMM (Funk, Rock), Sonic Lab 297 (Latin Funk Rock), Antonio Bello Blues (Blues, Rock), Soul Cowboy (Nu-Jazz, Fusion), Roots Rebels (Reggae), and others.

He directs show and special event orchestras and has his own production company where he continues to produce music for film, TV, radio ads, jingles, as well as projects for artists around the Caribbean and South America out of his home-studio: Vanilla Kingdom. He recently wrote Rumba Aruba for the Aruba Tourism Authority's international ad campaign, and won the 2007 Aruba Carnival Roadmarch Festival with the song: Music (Music is we language!).

In his free time Hildward chooses to enjoy watersports in the Caribbean sun and relaxes on the white sandy beaches of his native Aruba.

At the end of 2007 Hildward Croes once again received the distinguished recognition of "Artist Of The Year" by the local media.

HILDWARD CROES' RUMBA ARUBA

I see familiar names from the Shango thread in the above post.  Maiky, Hildward (you can listen to some of his music through Armin's sites. I did at one time).  Now is our Simian related to him?  Cousins maybe?

[KarmaRoundUp]

Sorry, I can't translate Pap but, maybe this tells something:

Na aña 1968, na yegada di e rumannan Rudy y despues Tommy cu tabata studia na Hulanda, a dicidi di formalisa e grupo formando asina e agrupacion tipico parandero cu despues a wordo bon conoci como Betico Y Su Grupo. E grupo tabata forma pa rumannan Betico, Rudy, Aiky, Tommy, Efrain, Hendrik y Adison, mientras cu e rumannan muher Ada, Chichia, Mary, Didi hunto cu nan famia, tanta, omonan y demas famia, tur tabata participa cantando of tocando un instrumento.

From: http://us.profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=283019688

Thank you MrsKub
from the myspace page of Hildward

Hildward Croes was born on the Caribbean island of Aruba on a 7th of September, into a musical family rich in the traditions of the island’s artistic past. His mother Ada is a singer and his father Maiky is a musician, singer, and choir director of their hometown church of Santa Cruz.

At an early age Mr. and Mrs. Croes encouraged their four sons to participate in the church choir on Sundays. This has been an important musical influence on the entire Croes family.

Since little Hildward was performing with different youth groups. A music-lover since birth, he started playing the piano at home with the help of his father at the age of 8. After a few years playing by ear, he began taking piano lessons with various music teachers on the island.

While forming part of the band that accompanied their church choir, Hildward and his brother Michael were invited to start the band Cryptus Confession. Cryptus quickly became one of the most popular pop-rock bands of Aruba, recording their number 1 hit: "Love Dream", part of a successful album of his original compositions. The album was recorded at Criteria Studios, Miami (studio famous in those days for recordings of The Bee Gees, Elton John, and The Eagles' Hotel California). With Cryptus Confession, he toured Venezuela, South America, and other Caribbean islands extensively.

Hildward received a scholarship from the Arubian government to study music at the renowned Berklee College of Music in Boston. While in Boston he received regular invitations to participate in recordings and to perform in concerts and recitals. He finished his bachelors degree in professional music and continued his post-graduate studies at Bowling Green State University, in Ohio. He returned to Aruba with a master of music degree and became one of the most sought after arrangers and producers of the area. He produced numerous hits for artists and groups in Aruba, Curacao, and other Caribbean islands.

After he was comissioned to produce an album of Caribbean music for the record label Sonografica in Caracas, Venezuela, he got noticed by the "merengue-king": Wilfrido Vargas. Vargas immediately signed him to be a part of his orchestra and produce records for his corporation. He toured Europe, North, Central and South America with the Wilfrido Vargas orchestra playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for the live shows. During this time he also arranged and produced for many successful Latin American acts such as Las Chicas Del Can, Altamira Banda Show, Mandarina, Eddy Herrera, Roy Tavare, Micky Taveras, and of course Wilfrido Vargas.

He earned an American Grammy Award nomination in the Latin-Tropical category for his work on the album Animacion by Wilfrido Vargas, which he co-produced. The same year he won first prize in the international competition of arrangements of the world-popular hit-song of that time: Lambada, which he arranged and produced for the popular ladies-group: Las Chicas Del Can.

Soon he got noticed by the world-famous latin singer-songwriter Juan Luis Guerra and joined his orchestra in 1990. For 5 years Hildward toured the world performing sold-out concerts playing keyboards and programming computer sequences for Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40.

Hildward was awarded prestigious prizes and recognitions in his native Aruba on numerous occasions. Awards such as 'arranger of the year', 'musician of the year', 'music-man of the year', etc. He was awarded 'musician of the decade' and received the distinguished honor of being named 'man of the year' by the local press in 1991.

After Juan Luis Guerra retired from the music scene for a few years in the mid 1990s, he chose to return to his native Aruba, where he was once again one of the most popular producers on the island, as well as a regular performer in local shows, night-clubs, hotels and casinos.

In 1997 he received a call from his old friend Chichi Peralta who invited him to be a part of his then newly formed project: Son Familia. He met and established a strong friendship with Chichi Peralta who was one of the main percussionist of Juan Luis Guerra & 4.40. With Chichi Peralta + Son Familia he was once again touring the world playing sold-out concert halls and stadiums.

In 1999 he participated extensively as an advisor, arranger, keyboardist, and music calligrapher in the production of the CD: De Vuelta Al Barrio, which earned them a Latin Grammy Award for best merengue album in 2001. The live CD/DVD release En Vivo by Chichi Peralta became a huge success in France and other parts of Europe. He made musical arrangements and played the accordion, piano, and keyboards on Chichi Peralta's latest release: Mas Que Suficiente, which again earned them a Latin Grammy nomination in 2006.

Hildward directs and writes for his own Dushi Band which has become one of the most popular local bands especially during the carnival festivities producing hit songs year after year and winning music contests on many occasions. He also plays the accordion with Grupo Di Betico; a typical acoustic folkloric music group that performs regularly at the end of each year during the holiday season formed entirely by Croes' family members. While on Aruba, he can be found playing his heart out with local bands such as JEMM (Funk, Rock), Sonic Lab 297 (Latin Funk Rock), Antonio Bello Blues (Blues, Rock), Soul Cowboy (Nu-Jazz, Fusion), Roots Rebels (Reggae), and others.

He directs show and special event orchestras and has his own production company where he continues to produce music for film, TV, radio ads, jingles, as well as projects for artists around the Caribbean and South America out of his home-studio: Vanilla Kingdom. He recently wrote Rumba Aruba for the Aruba Tourism Authority's international ad campaign, and won the 2007 Aruba Carnival Roadmarch Festival with the song: Music (Music is we language!).

In his free time Hildward chooses to enjoy watersports in the Caribbean sun and relaxes on the white sandy beaches of his native Aruba.

At the end of 2007 Hildward Croes once again received the distinguished recognition of "Artist Of The Year" by the local media.

HILDWARD CROES' RUMBA ARUBA

I see familiar names from the Shango thread in the above post.  Maiky, Hildward (you can listen to some of his music through Armin's sites. I did at one time).  Now is our Simian related to him?  Cousins maybe?

I don't know if he is related to Simian or if he IS Simian(LOL)but he sure is related to all of the Croes in the Betico band.

[Maggie]

There are 5 Deutekom listed in Florida at intelius.com

[KarmaRoundUp]

Rereading at Getagrip:

Besides, whether Van der Sloot had lied in his ‘confession’ or not, it still is not a confession about murder, says the lawyer. According to Antillean law, a person that buries, hides, carries off, or takes off a body with the intention of concealing the death, will be sentenced to a maximum of 6 months imprisonment or a fine of a maximum of 300 guilders. It is not possible to keep the person in custody for such fact. Spong is wondering why, after professional judicial advice of his father, Joran van der Sloot, while knowing that the criminal consequences for him are so relatively small, has opted to remain silent in the Holloway-case.


Interesting...if Joran was only involved in disposal after an accidental death, he would probably qualify for time served.  He must be responsible for Natalee's death....or his legal advise would be to confess to the lesser charge.  No other reason to remain silent.     Must be more than disposal.

And more people involved.

[Maggie]

20 nationwide. I wonder if any of them are related to Frans?

[GBMW]

Things are usually black and white to me.  Either I believe the person or I don't.  That's how I am when I view things.  I feel the same way as ******* does about Patrick.  There are people who don't.  We all have different thoughts about the subject.

This has gone on since yesterday and I'm tired of reading about it and I don't want to see fighting.  I say let's move on a drop the subject.

That's your right...and nothing wrong with that at all.

It's easy for you to say drop the subject though...you're not the one that's been called a stupid, crazy, lying wheasel for no reason by a mod.

It is not easy for me to say drop the subject.  I said it after you defended yourself in a post. I'm tired of reading about this drama between you and *******.

I'm the one that's being called a liar etc. by a mod for no reason. I have every right to stand up for myself. If you don't like it....skip the posts. TIA

GBMW - San is also a Moderator here at SM and as a Moderator kindly asked you to drop it in this thread.  I, as Administrator am also asking you to kindly drop it in this thread.

Do not attempt again to tell a Moderator or Administrator to simply skip your post if they don't like it.

A moderator here called me stupid, crazy, was rude & implied I was a liar; without no foundation or good reason whatsoever...and that is acceptable? What kind of posterworld do you live in?
For the record: I didn't know San was a moderator. But I have a right to defend myself when I'm accused of such things. And guess what? I don't care whether a poster has a problem with me defending myself or a moderator. And a good moderator would have reacted differently...JMO.
 
Some here (and you in particular) seem to have a problem with me...I wonder why? Other posters get to post disgusting, way too disgusting posts without ever hearing a word & I get warnings from you over defending my own (or like the last time; asking a completely normal / decent question).
Don't worry; I've had enough. Please de activate my account. TIA

[Pita]

Fans van Deutekom represented Aruba at a Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, held in
Geneva, on May 7, 2007.


http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html

[Helen Back]

I just think it would be wonderful if we started anonymously mailing DTKM bars of soap to wash his hands.  Do you think he'd get the message?   

 

I always wondered why Jossy had high regard for Karin "woman of the year" Janssen and Van der stratten.  In light of their blatant participation in the cover up, I just have not been able to understand this.

If what CLW says is true about DIRTYKOM, DEUTEKOM, placing restraints on the investigation and calling the shots, it would sort of fit with what we witnessed, and might explain Jossy 's support of these two.  Surely Jossy has been aware of DIRTYKOM/ DEUTEKOM.  What power could this guy have over other prosecutors?  Loss of job?  On Aruba, I would say that's no big loss....more like a ticket home.

Might explain the 180 we saw Mos do..............he came out guns blazing and had evidence of Natalee's death.  Then maybe he got the "memo".  Perhaps Mr. Hans van DIRTYKOM/DEUTEKOM made Mos give that stupid letter of exoneration to Julia.  How do Mr. DIRTYKOM/DEUTEKOM and Julia know each other? 

Maybe DIRTYKOM/DEUTEKOM is a big customer of the escort business.