Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[wreck]

You didn't answer!!!!!!  Anyway, it's late, old people need to sleep, nite nite.

   or    = just kidding !

[lnichols]

Hi Billb, I really feel that it will all come out now and many people will be shocked at how much the Monkeys have been right all along. Keep the faith cause their just rewards will be coming, soon.

I really hope you are right..... I have always kept the faith.. but we are always let down...

[cajun miracle]

Hello Monkeys,

Thanks for having me on your great forum!
I`ve been reading here for about 1,5 yr now and was sometimes anxious to respond to your posts or answering questions made.

I`m pretty exited about the latest developments referring to the new(old witness) and am highly amazed Dutch media didn`t yet picked it up.

I have great confidence in Peter de Vries(he proved to have a big heart) and think PvdEem, although he has a criminal mind, did a great job help showing the real Joran and bring all attention back to the Natalee case.

Now up to the next step: PROVIDING JUSTICE TO NATALEE, NATALEE`S FAMILY and unravel the corrupt Aruban cover-up.

I love you all and be blessed . .

Welcome to the Monkey Cage....I was told that Peter de Vries *is* part of what is going on.....

Are You Aruban by Birth?....I hope so!

Destiny

Des, is De Vries the ONLY Dutchman involved -- or is the Hague also?? (please tell me The Hague and/or KLPD!!!!)

Wreck in league with the big guns...gotta win that TV award Ya know.....Des...LOL

I hope this isn't taken as criticism, but I am hoping that the Big news CAP is pointing too is not just another program by De Vies with more speculation of what might have happened in Natalee's disappearance and what I believe was a calculated, brutal rape/porno video that turned into murder, and then covered up by those in power in Aruba and beyond.  I recognize Peter De Vries was instrumental in getting the Dutch authorities/public interested and then engaged in looking for justice for Natalee, but I do question the role Patrick played while employed by Peter. I hope Peter was not used more by Patrick than the other way around, but I think the overall effect just played out somewhat in favor of the cover up  effort - that may have taken interest off the case by the international community. Time passed, and Patrick's con basically brought some supposed closure that some (not monkeys though)  seemed resigned to accept.
That said, if it does take another program by Peter to get full resolution, I can accept it. But, I'd rather the next program by Peter be an exposure of the what transpired that resulted in the murder of Natalee, AFTER the international community prosecutes all involved in this heinous crime.
Please, let the FBI, The Hague and/or KLPD be at the front of the next play coming out!!!! We NEED a criminal law enforcement element leading this next stage of the investigation/prosecution.....
IMHO.....
billb

There is so much that should be invesigated... the problem is who will do it?  who is not corrupt?

Hi Lnichols, I wondered about this also and can't wait until it happens.

[lnichols]

There is so much that should be invesigated... the problem is who will do it?  who is not corrupt?
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Hi Lnichols, I wondered about this also and can't wait until it happens.
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I have to believe in the saying... good things come to those who wait... it has to be true..

[cajun miracle]

Hi Billb, I really feel that it will all come out now and many people will be shocked at how much the Monkeys have been right all along. Keep the faith cause their just rewards will be coming, soon.

I really hope you are right..... I have always kept the faith.. but we are always let down...

Nothing like Beth and Dave. They have been through so much and my heart cries for them. This has opened all of our eyes to the evil out there.

[cajun miracle]

Nite all and hope to hear more tomorrow.

[billb's daughter]

Hello Monkeys,

Thanks for having me on your great forum!
I`ve been reading here for about 1,5 yr now and was sometimes anxious to respond to your posts or answering questions made.

I`m pretty exited about the latest developments referring to the new(old witness) and am highly amazed Dutch media didn`t yet picked it up.

I have great confidence in Peter de Vries(he proved to have a big heart) and think PvdEem, although he has a criminal mind, did a great job help showing the real Joran and bring all attention back to the Natalee case.

Now up to the next step: PROVIDING JUSTICE TO NATALEE, NATALEE`S FAMILY and unravel the corrupt Aruban cover-up.

I love you all and be blessed . .

Welcome to the Monkey Cage....I was told that Peter de Vries *is* part of what is going on.....

Are You Aruban by Birth?....I hope so!

Destiny

Des, is De Vries the ONLY Dutchman involved -- or is the Hague also?? (please tell me The Hague and/or KLPD!!!!)

Wreck in league with the big guns...gotta win that TV award Ya know.....Des...LOL

I hope this isn't taken as criticism, but I am hoping that the Big news CAP is pointing too is not just another program by De Vies with more speculation of what might have happened in Natalee's disappearance and what I believe was a calculated, brutal rape/porno video that turned into murder, and then covered up by those in power in Aruba and beyond.  I recognize Peter De Vries was instrumental in getting the Dutch authorities/public interested and then engaged in looking for justice for Natalee, but I do question the role Patrick played while employed by Peter. I hope Peter was not used more by Patrick than the other way around, but I think the overall effect just played out somewhat in favor of the cover up  effort - that may have taken interest off the case by the international community. Time passed, and Patrick's con basically brought some supposed closure that some (not monkeys though)  seemed resigned to accept.
That said, if it does take another program by Peter to get full resolution, I can accept it. But, I'd rather the next program by Peter be an exposure of the what transpired that resulted in the murder of Natalee, AFTER the international community prosecutes all involved in this heinous crime.
Please, let the FBI, The Hague and/or KLPD be at the front of the next play coming out!!!! We NEED a criminal law enforcement element leading this next stage of the investigation/prosecution.....
IMHO.....
billb

That was my concern too -- I think they are telling us that this time it is De Vries AND the USA along with Holland!

Wreck...
Your comment is what inspired me to post! I so agree with you that we we need USA/Holland out front with the next phase of the exposure....

[lnichols]

Hi Billb, I really feel that it will all come out now and many people will be shocked at how much the Monkeys have been right all along. Keep the faith cause their just rewards will be coming, soon.

I really hope you are right..... I have always kept the faith.. but we are always let down...

Nothing like Beth and Dave. They have been through so much and my heart cries for them. This has opened all of our eyes to the evil out there.

My heart goes out to them.. I cant not even begin to know how they feel... I pray for their closure....

[wreck]

Nite all and hope to hear more tomorrow.

We have waited 3+ years -- we are ALMOST there! This time they must put ALL their ducks in a row before they tell us all. We are in the "end game" -- hold tight!

[lnichols]

Nite all and hope to hear more tomorrow.

We have waited 3+ years -- we are ALMOST there! This time they must put ALL their ducks in a row before they tell us all. We are in the "end game" -- hold tight!

I am hoping along with ya...  Good nite everyone..
Prayers for Natalee and her family...

[BUCKSHOT]

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Competent authorities decided that Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Janssen must travel to The Netherlands. According to sources it deals with an urgent flight possibly relating to the investigation that is still ongoing of Natalee Holloway.

As it is known recently park rangers called alarm when they discovered among other things a piece of Duct tape that has hair resembling the hair of the American girl that is going to be missing for two months. In this case the only suspect detained is the young man Joran van der Sloot. For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, which is situated in Rijswijk, The Hague, it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

 

[BUCKSHOT]

DIARIO Aruba
7/21/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Competent authorities decided that Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Janssen must travel to The Netherlands. According to sources it deals with an urgent flight possibly relating to the investigation that is still ongoing of Natalee Holloway.

As it is known recently park rangers called alarm when they discovered among other things a piece of Duct tape that has hair resembling the hair of the American girl that is going to be missing for two months. In this case the only suspect detained is the young man Joran van der Sloot. For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, which is situated in Rijswijk, The Hague, it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

 

[billb's daughter]

Hi Billb, I really feel that it will all come out now and many people will be shocked at how much the Monkeys have been right all along. Keep the faith cause their just rewards will be coming, soon.

I really hope you are right..... I have always kept the faith.. but we are always let down...

Nothing like Beth and Dave. They have been through so much and my heart cries for them. This has opened all of our eyes to the evil out there.

lnichols, cajun miracle, wreck, and all monkeys.....because of this injustice, I stand with the girl Natalee, Beth, Jug, Dave, Robin and the extended family, which includes all monkeys! I want so much for this to end with justice prevailing...
Now where the heck is Robots

[klaasend]

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Competent authorities decided that Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Janssen must travel to The Netherlands. According to sources it deals with an urgent flight possibly relating to the investigation that is still ongoing of Natalee Holloway.

As it is known recently park rangers called alarm when they discovered among other things a piece of Duct tape that has hair resembling the hair of the American girl that is going to be missing for two months. In this case the only suspect detained is the young man Joran van der Sloot. For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, which is situated in Rijswijk, The Hague, it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

 

Someone needed to make sure she was playing along 

[BUCKSHOT]

odds and ends from getagrip...

Thursday, June 9
According to Commissioner van der Straten, the reason they delayed the arrest of the three was a tactic, to follow their steps.

Friday, June 10
Information came in that Joran had confessed.
Police denied this confession later.

Monday, June 13
It has to be said that already for this time, the tone of announcers in the US was very negative against police and the judicial system, especially given that the three principal suspects were not officially accused.

On the 23 of June
Paul van der Sloot was detained on suspicion of helping to get rid of the body or to cover up the case. Paul van der Sloot did not remain locked up much time. Given the supremely negative tone, the government along with AHATA and ATA, formed a Strategic Communications Commission to counteract all bad information on the case and Aruba.

JULY:
It can also be remembered that duct tape was found in Boca Tortuga and Texas Equusearch made much noise about a hole found at the Arirok National Park, which also resulted in nothing.

AUGUST:
Commissioner Dompig, replaced van der Straten who took his retirement. A gardener who saw the three at the pond the night Natalee disappeared presented himself. The gardener went ‘missing’ himself on the day that he had to give a declaration to the Judge Commissioner, supposedly for fear that he was an illegal. But at the end, the judge did not consider his declaration very valid. Also, police asked the community to locate a jogger who also could have seen something that night. There was no reaction.

[BUCKSHOT]

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Competent authorities decided that Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Janssen must travel to The Netherlands. According to sources it deals with an urgent flight possibly relating to the investigation that is still ongoing of Natalee Holloway.

As it is known recently park rangers called alarm when they discovered among other things a piece of Duct tape that has hair resembling the hair of the American girl that is going to be missing for two months. In this case the only suspect detained is the young man Joran van der Sloot. For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, which is situated in Rijswijk, The Hague, it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

 

Someone needed to make sure she was playing along 

Another interesting note while reading back...
Croes, on numerous occasions, forbid people from speaking to the press. Examples were Dompig and Jansen. (He was probably afraid they would look like total idiots because they could not answer the simplest of questions) The particulars of this case, in the early stages, were known as top secret material on the island. People were reminded the consequences and surely encouraged to participate in the biggest secret of the island.

They underestimated us, especially at SM, where it is a 24/7 CSI lab...

[wreck]

odds and ends from getagrip...

Thursday, June 9
According to Commissioner van der Straten, the reason they delayed the arrest of the three was a tactic, to follow their steps.

Friday, June 10
Information came in that Joran had confessed.
Police denied this confession later.

Monday, June 13
It has to be said that already for this time, the tone of announcers in the US was very negative against police and the judicial system, especially given that the three principal suspects were not officially accused.

On the 23 of June
Paul van der Sloot was detained on suspicion of helping to get rid of the body or to cover up the case. Paul van der Sloot did not remain locked up much time. Given the supremely negative tone, the government along with AHATA and ATA, formed a Strategic Communications Commission to counteract all bad information on the case and Aruba.

JULY:
It can also be remembered that duct tape was found in Boca Tortuga and Texas Equusearch made much noise about a hole found at the Arirok National Park, which also resulted in nothing.

AUGUST:
Commissioner Dompig, replaced van der Straten who took his retirement. A gardener who saw the three at the pond the night Natalee disappeared presented himself. The gardener went ‘missing’ himself on the day that he had to give a declaration to the Judge Commissioner, supposedly for fear that he was an illegal. But at the end, the judge did not consider his declaration very valid. Also, police asked the community to locate a jogger who also could have seen something that night. There was no reaction.

The fix was in from day 1. ........... They never imagined our tenacity.

[IBE]

ROBOTS!!!  PLEASE COME BACK!!

You may yet get to smoke that cigar....we miss you...and your smiling metal face and your wonderful one liners....and BT has been jumping in the cage first on each change..she must be stopped!!!

Maybe we need to send TES out for him? or have a fundraising for oil?

[johan555]

Quote from: CapsLockWizard
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

Lilian Heidweiller   



CarlosHeidweiller

[GrannyToad]

I was trying back then so hard to understand and something about Papiamento tickled my brain I finally figured it out, much of the words are phonetic spanish/portuguese, just put together differently. I was learning to read!

I read about Jan van der Straaten, Supercop he was called.

Cop? Supercop my toadly arse in retrospect. He knew the first day what became of Natalee and for Paul, Jan covered it up like crap in a catbox.

Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Not for Aruba.

For Paul.