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Title: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 - 4/20/11
Post by: MuffyBee on February 14, 2011, 05:09:21 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 20, 2011, 08:12:02 PM
bye, now it will be ready for the night crew ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2011, 08:12:02 PM
Good job NUT!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 20, 2011, 08:13:01 PM
 ::rhino:: ty


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 20, 2011, 09:55:02 PM
Thanks Nut!  You've still got the touch.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
From the previous thread - the truth before all the lies:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5257/5544418918_11dd90d6e8_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 20, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
I Drove Away Not Knowing

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 14-15:
  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.

 :smt049


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Shell on March 20, 2011, 10:00:44 PM

OT
Klaas-could you check your email please? I hope I have the correct email addy for you, not sure if it changed or not. Please let me know if you got it thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 20, 2011, 10:07:51 PM
From the previous thread - the truth before all the lies:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5257/5544418918_11dd90d6e8_b.jpg)


The Confession - June 10, 2005

Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


<snipped>

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


Frustration in Aruba
June 15, 2005


<snipped>

RICK LEVENTHAL: We reconfirmed the information with Croues before going on-air with it.

<snipped>

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159664,00.html
 

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


<snipped>

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

<snipped>
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


May 28, 2006
Holloway talks about Natalee’s missing year


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY: At some point into this investigation, as time goes on and you don’t find her, you start realizing that things are not looking good. We got that confirmation pretty much from the FBI on June 10. They came to us and said the investigation appears to be heading toward a homicide case.

<snipped>
 
http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_148205455.html


'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 24th
updated 10/25/2005 10:06:01 AM ET 2005-10-25T14:06:01


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  And that was the day that the FBI came in, Doug Shipley (ph) came in and said that the way the interrogations are unfolding, there‘s a strong possibility that Natalee may not be alive. That was huge. That was the day that—I think, Joe, everyone buried Natalee that day, on June 10.

And then it just—from there, the night went on. There were body sightings, countless. They were knocking on my door. They thought they found her. Oh, no, they didn‘t. It went on from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. It was horrific.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813596/


Confusion Reigns in Natalee Holloway Case
Friday June 10, 2005


<snipped>

Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.

<snipped>

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm


Reports Conflict in Case of Missing Ala. Teen
Saturday, June 11, 2005


<snipped>

Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

<snipped>
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 20, 2011, 10:08:33 PM

OT
Klaas-could you check your email please? I hope I have the correct email addy for you, not sure if it changed or not. Please let me know if you got it thanks.

Got your email.  Done!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 20, 2011, 10:13:45 PM
From the previous thread - the truth before all the lies:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5257/5544418918_11dd90d6e8_b.jpg)


The Confession - June 10, 2005

'Scarborough Country' for July 12
updated 7:06 a.m. PT, Wed., July. 13, 2005


 ::snipping2::
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice. And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive. How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?

REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did. At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.

SCARBOROUGH: You know, you said—talked about June the 10th. That's when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process. What did the family do?

REYNOLDS: You know, grieving is—it's a difficult process. We were all notified. We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified. I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us.

SCARBOROUGH: Wait, Paul. Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead? This was over a month ago. You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee's entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don't have enough evidence to nail these guys?

REYNOLDS: That's absolutely correct. You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that that was their belief. That information was given to our family. And it's just—it's a very difficult thing to go through. Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time.
  ::snipping2::
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822
Edit to add  ::snipping2:: for Janet.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 20, 2011, 10:15:41 PM
I forgot <snipped> at the beginning and end of Paul's interview.

I apologize.

Janet

Fixed it.  You may have forgotten  ::snipping2:: but you are so good about remembering to include the links.
 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 20, 2011, 11:24:16 PM
I forgot <snipped> at the beginning and end of Paul's interview.

I apologize.

Janet

Fixed it.  You may have forgotten  ::snipping2:: but you are so good about remembering to include the links.
 ::MonkeyKiss::

Thanks MuffyBee

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 20, 2011, 11:48:23 PM
bye, now it will be ready for the night crew ::HelloKitty::

Thanks Nut!    ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2011, 02:39:48 AM
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/cleanplatecharlie/2011/03/carlosn_charlies_cityplace_west_palm_beach_mexican_taco_burger.php

Openings/Closings
Carlos'n Charlie's Coming to CityPlace
By Bill Citara, Fri., Mar. 18 2011 @ 6:00AM

​A chain of loud, casual, moderately priced Mexican restaurants--not exactly a rarity in South Florida--is planning to open its second U.S. eatery in CityPlace. 

Carlos'n Charlie's, part of the Mexico-based Grupo Anderson chain (which includes, among other eateries, Senor Frog's), is expected to debut next month in the old Mark's (as in Militello) space between Taverna Opa and City Cellar. 

There will be outdoor seating and space for private parties, as well as an extensive bar menu of margartas, sangria and the like, plus a roster of signature cocktails, like the Paloma (tequila in a salt-rimmed glass with grapefruit soda). 
 ::snipping2::

(An interesting side note: According to Wikipedia, Carlos'n Charlie's used to have a restaurant in Aruba, the one Natalee Holloway was last seen leaving before her disappearance. It was later closed and a Senor Frog's opened next door.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2011, 02:54:58 AM
http://citizensvoice.com/news/recovery-dogs-catch-scent-of-missing-pittston-woman-1.1120952#axzz1HDKTq8g9

Recovery dogs catch scent of missing Pittston woman

BY ANDREW STAUB (STAFF WRITER)Published: March 19, 2011

 ::snipping2::

Ebby, a 10-year-old sheltie and border collie mix, darted through the trees and to the water at the downstream location. She scanned a wooded area that had already been sniffed by two other dogs, work that led searchers to mark a nearby tree with yellow police tape.

The dog has worked such missions since she was 10 months old and assisted in the search for Natalee Holloway, an Alabama high school student who vanished in 2005 while on a trip to Aruba.
 ::snipping2::

(http://citizensvoice.com/polopoly_fs/1.1120953.1300541733!/image/4006747381.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_240/4006747381.jpg)
Northeast Search and Rescue team member Emy Wilbur offers recovery dog Ebby a treat after searching an area of the Susquehanna River in Pittston on Friday afternoon. KRISTEN MULLEN / THE CITIZENS' VOICE

Read more: http://citizensvoice.com/news/recovery-dogs-catch-scent-of-missing-pittston-woman-1.1120952#ixzz1HDM76pUu


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2011, 03:01:17 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/hollowayfamilygall-550x400-12.jpg)

Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 21, 2011, 08:10:18 AM
Good job NUT!

 ::rhino::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2011, 11:54:11 AM
I notice that douche bag Steph Watts has been very quiet lately  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 21, 2011, 12:39:29 PM
I notice that douche bag Steph Watts has been very quiet lately  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::

Was the dispicable September 19/10 bashing of Beth by Steph Watts and Tim Miller the last time the Natalee Holloway case was mentioned on "Watts Up With This"

Janet

+++++

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2011, 12:58:26 PM
Doesn't look like he's done much of anything on his Blog Talk Radio show since 2010.  He does have his blog and facebook but they appear to be pretty generic.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2011, 02:49:17 PM
I notice that douche bag Steph Watts has been very quiet lately  ::MonkeyCool::

I've been thinking the same! 

I came across this video this weekend, and got mad all over again.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/14/natalee-holloways-father-in-aruba-as-van-der-sloot-talks/

Notice how Steph Watts makes SURE he's seen at the airport with Tim Miller picking up Dave.    ::MonkeyRoll::

When I think about Tim Miller's comments about this trip, and then see that video it makes me FURIOUS!  Not to mention the other appearances Tim made on news shows "from Aruba" during that time.

Peru LE was not even returning the Aruban LE's phone calls at this point according to the report, but Steph and Tim had already been there a week...ready to search?

I don't have time to look back now, but IIRC from the blogtalk shows, they weren't allowed to search at all while they were there.  But according to this snip from the article, searches were happening?  I guess I need to go back and refresh my memory to see what was actually said about that...
 ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/14/natalee-holloways-father-in-aruba-as-van-der-sloot-talks/

Natalee Holloway's Dad in Aruba as van der Sloot Talks

Jun 14, 2010 – 3:02 PM

 ::snipping2::

Tim Miller, founder and director of Texas EquuSearch -- a missing person search and recovery group -- is also in Aruba. Last week, a group representative told AOL News that Miller and his team have been conducting searches there but have not yet found anything of interest.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 21, 2011, 06:51:53 PM
I was wondering about Steph Watts yesterday.   I couldn't find anything
on him lately.  It doesn't look like he even has the little radio show any
longer.

There is still lots of info out there about his "nose job".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2011, 07:48:37 PM
I was wondering about Steph Watts yesterday.   I couldn't find anything
on him lately.  It doesn't look like he even has the little radio show any
longer.

There is still lots of info out there about his "nose job".

He's active on Facebook.  Has a new "look".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on March 21, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
I was wondering about Steph Watts yesterday.   I couldn't find anything
on him lately.  It doesn't look like he even has the little radio show any
longer.

There is still lots of info out there about his "nose job".

He's active on Facebook.  Has a new "look".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564)

What look   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 21, 2011, 08:44:57 PM
I was wondering about Steph Watts yesterday.   I couldn't find anything
on him lately.  It doesn't look like he even has the little radio show any
longer.

There is still lots of info out there about his "nose job".

He's active on Facebook.  Has a new "look".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564)

What look   ::MonkeyCheer2::

I'm sorry, for those that don't have Facebook, here's his pic:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187753_762617564_792275_n.jpg)

Looks somewhat less manley if that's possible, IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
I was wondering about Steph Watts yesterday.   I couldn't find anything
on him lately.  It doesn't look like he even has the little radio show any
longer.

There is still lots of info out there about his "nose job".

He's active on Facebook.  Has a new "look".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564)

What look   ::MonkeyCheer2::

I'm sorry, for those that don't have Facebook, here's his pic:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187753_762617564_792275_n.jpg)

Looks somewhat less manley if that's possible, IMO

Ain't that the truth! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 21, 2011, 11:46:45 PM
I was wondering about Steph Watts yesterday.   I couldn't find anything
on him lately.  It doesn't look like he even has the little radio show any
longer.

There is still lots of info out there about his "nose job".

He's active on Facebook.  Has a new "look".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564)

What look   ::MonkeyCheer2::

I'm sorry, for those that don't have Facebook, here's his pic:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187753_762617564_792275_n.jpg)

Looks somewhat less manley if that's possible, IMO

Ain't that the truth! 


Facebook doesn't pay much. ::MonkeyTongue::

He is a POS..IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 21, 2011, 11:58:38 PM


http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/09/

 ::snipping2::

September 10, 2010

MY ACTING DEBUT
By Steph
 ::snipping2::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN-b1w3e0Qw


http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/lost-and-found/

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/a-quick-clip-of-my-new-show-bloodwork/

http://stephwattsreporter.com/biography.htm
 ::snipping2::
I am the featured crime reporter in a new show called “Bloodwork” scheduled to air on A&E this fall. “Bloodwork” is a 20 episode series following the work of forensic experts as they solve real crimes.
 ::snipping2::


I'm not impressed.  JMO   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 22, 2011, 12:01:15 AM
I was wondering about Steph Watts yesterday.   I couldn't find anything
on him lately.  It doesn't look like he even has the little radio show any
longer.

There is still lots of info out there about his "nose job".

He's active on Facebook.  Has a new "look".

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564 (http://www.facebook.com/people/Steph-Watts/762617564)

What look   ::MonkeyCheer2::

I'm sorry, for those that don't have Facebook, here's his pic:

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187753_762617564_792275_n.jpg)

Looks somewhat less manley if that's possible, IMO

Ain't that the truth! 


Facebook doesn't pay much. ::MonkeyTongue::

He is a POS..IMO

I agree. 




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 22, 2011, 12:17:53 AM
I notice that douche bag Steph Watts has been very quiet lately  ::MonkeyCool::

I've been thinking the same! 

I came across this video this weekend, and got mad all over again.   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/14/natalee-holloways-father-in-aruba-as-van-der-sloot-talks/

Notice how Steph Watts makes SURE he's seen at the airport with Tim Miller picking up Dave.    ::MonkeyRoll::

When I think about Tim Miller's comments about this trip, and then see that video it makes me FURIOUS!  Not to mention the other appearances Tim made on news shows "from Aruba" during that time.

Peru LE was not even returning the Aruban LE's phone calls at this point according to the report, but Steph and Tim had already been there a week...ready to search?

I don't have time to look back now, but IIRC from the blogtalk shows, they weren't allowed to search at all while they were there.  But according to this snip from the article, searches were happening?  I guess I need to go back and refresh my memory to see what was actually said about that...
 ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/14/natalee-holloways-father-in-aruba-as-van-der-sloot-talks/

Natalee Holloway's Dad in Aruba as van der Sloot Talks

Jun 14, 2010 – 3:02 PM

 ::snipping2::

Tim Miller, founder and director of Texas EquuSearch -- a missing person search and recovery group -- is also in Aruba. Last week, a group representative told AOL News that Miller and his team have been conducting searches there but have not yet found anything of interest.
 ::snipping2::

It was a very long Monday, and I couldn't bear to go back and listen to the blogtalk shows tonight.  Just the thought of having to listen to that squeaking voice...  ::MonkeyNoNo::
But from reading at Steph's blog, I think I remember correctly.  There were no searches while they were in Aruba for that entire two weeks.  "Authorized" caught my eye in the statements about no searches, and surely Tim and Steph wouldn't have done anything unauthorized that might jeopardize the investigation.

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/



 ::MonkeyCool::

http://stephww.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/aruba-room-with-a-view/#comments

Cliff

June 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am

What are you doing in Aruba?
Are you on vacation?
I have seen nothing that you have accomplished.
I heard you tell Dave Holloway that you
have a big house and lots of steaks.
Most who have followed the Natalee case
have seen pictures of KIA years ago.
We have even seen a video made inside of KIA.

If Steph ever posted the promised pictures and video from KIA, I missed them. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 22, 2011, 12:22:12 AM
The last sentence of my prior post was my comment, not Cliff's. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 22, 2011, 12:28:53 AM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5002:54-koraalduivels-gevangen&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/21-03-2011/623700.jpg)

54 lionfish caught

Monday, 21 March 2011 5:54 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - During the first Lionfish Derby last Saturday, his 54 lionfish captured by 68 registered participants. On the beach in front of the restaurant, the fish caught Hadicurari introduced. Interested parties could then see how they were filleted and grilled. Visser Hadicurari Association wants to make the lionfish popular among the people so that more fish caught and eaten. The lionfish is in fact a threat to marine life in the Caribbean.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 22, 2011, 02:01:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 22, 2011, 10:08:10 AM
Please excuse the interruption.  For those who were asking for a PO Box to mail donations to Red has supplied one.  I asked for an update and he said he's still in the process of answering motions back and forth and because it's on going he can't really tell us much at this time. 


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1318366#msg1318366


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 22, 2011, 10:47:59 AM
Please excuse the interruption.  For those who were asking for a PO Box to mail donations to Red has supplied one.  I asked for an update and he said he's still in the process of answering motions back and forth and because it's on going he can't really tell us much at this time. 


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1318366#msg1318366

Thanks, Klaas!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 22, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
Updated dates.  Note Summary Judgement is still scheduled for April 11th and the trial date has been corrcted to June 13:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

There may be some documents available this afternoon.  The court document retrieval site is currently unavailable.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 22, 2011, 03:03:35 PM
Thanks Klaas

In my opinion the following is an excellent article.  It is a Tamikosmom's keeper.  One of Phil McGraw's attorneys comes out swinging ... telling it how it is.  In other words ... confirming what many Monkeys had already suspected.

I cannot remember who to give credit for the original posting.  I apologize.

Janet

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Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

The question of who is winning a courtroom showdown between Dr. Phil McGraw and two Surinamese brothers in the Natalee Holloway case may be up in the air at the moment. However, the TV star's attorney is in a take-no-prisoners mood responding to recent media articles that suggest his side is losing.

"The problem with these f---ing things [is] they get a life of their own," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told AOL News.

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 22, 2011, 09:04:42 PM
Please excuse the interruption.  For those who were asking for a PO Box to mail donations to Red has supplied one.  I asked for an update and he said he's still in the process of answering motions back and forth and because it's on going he can't really tell us much at this time. 


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1318366#msg1318366

Thanks, Klaas!



Count me in! We Monkeys know how to fight; just let us know the area to start, as you have and the next one, if there is one!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 03:18:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/machpicchusteph.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/03/exclusive-fbi-will-not-find-computer-evidence-linking-joran-van-der-sloot-natalee

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Will Not Find Computer Evidence Linking Joran Van Der Sloot To Natalee Holloway's Murder, Claims Attorney

Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client's computer."

Reports had surfaced that the Peruvian police handed over a disc from the Dutchman's computer to the FBI which they believed might help finally crack the case involving the Alabama teenager who went missing in Aruba in 2005.

But Navarro has poured cold water on these hopes by claiming the FBI are "wasting their time" with this latest line of inquiry.

He told RadarOnline.com: "The computer will now not be opened up until April 18, 2011, but they will not find any information about Natalee Holloway.

"We are not worried. The FBI they are wasting their time looking for such evidence, we are not worried about it at all.

"I have spoken with Joran and he is not concerned that anything will be discovered."


 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 11:28:23 AM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/03/exclusive-fbi-will-not-find-computer-evidence-linking-joran-van-der-sloot-natalee

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Will Not Find Computer Evidence Linking Joran Van Der Sloot To Natalee Holloway's Murder, Claims Attorney

Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client's computer."

Reports had surfaced that the Peruvian police handed over a disc from the Dutchman's computer to the FBI which they believed might help finally crack the case involving the Alabama teenager who went missing in Aruba in 2005.

But Navarro has poured cold water on these hopes by claiming the FBI are "wasting their time" with this latest line of inquiry.

He told RadarOnline.com: "The computer will now not be opened up until April 18, 2011, but they will not find any information about Natalee Holloway.

"We are not worried. The FBI they are wasting their time looking for such evidence, we are not worried about it at all.

"I have spoken with Joran and he is not concerned that anything will be discovered."


 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::snipping2::

Maximo Altez Navarro needs to explain the "insanity" plea again.  Was there or was there not incriminating Natalee Holloway case related info that computer.

Janet
______


Lawyer: Van der Sloot to plead temporary insanity
Published March 07, 2011


Joran van der Sloot plans to plead guilty to killing a young Peruvian woman he met gambling but will argue temporary insanity in a bid to significantly shorten his sentence, his defense lawyer said Monday.

Van der Sloot, the key suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba, will use a "violent emotion" defense in the slaying of Stephany Flores, attorney Maximo Altez told The Associated Press.

Altez said he filed papers three weeks ago informing prosecutors of his intent to argue that Van der Sloot became enraged and killed the 21-year-old Peruvian business student last May 30 because she had learned of his relation to Holloway by looking in his laptop.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/07/lawyer-van-der-sloot-plead-temporary-insanity/#ixzz1FxilTDkR


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 11:32:53 AM
Reminder

FBI gets van der Sloot laptop info
Published: 5:28 am
Updated: 9:38 am


Birmingham, Al (CBS42)  The FBI was given a copy of the files of Joran van der Sloot's laptop...but what clues will that hold to the fate of Natalee Holloway?

The Lima newspaper El Commercio reports that the Peruvian National Police (PNP) gave FBI agents a copy of the hard drive Monday afternoon.  Oscar Gonzales, head of the PNP high tech division said the Americans are interested not only in Natalee's disappearance but also information about the alleged extortion of the Holloway family in 2010.

Gonzales said the computer held "additional information that seems to be of interest."

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/FBI-gets-van-der-Sloot-laptop-info/uqymhtZn8kiXT-X25wuaOg.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
Reminder

SHOCKING REASON NATALEE's FAMILY WANTS JORAN FREED!
Published on: 03/16/2011


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/natalee_holloway_wants_joran_freed_extradited_flores_wire_tap/crime/63589


++++++

Lawyer: Van der Sloot to plead temporary insanity
Published March 07, 2011


<snipped>

An attorney for Holloway’s mother, Beth Twitty, said she considered the planned plea “outrageous.” Twitty knows the Flores family will never accept it and she plans to “make whatever noise she has to” to make sure it doesn’t happen, the lawyer, John Kelly, added.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/07/lawyer-van-der-sloot-plead-temporary-insanity/#ixzz1FxilTDkR



November 19, 2008:

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on March 23, 2011, 01:22:49 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/03/exclusive-fbi-will-not-find-computer-evidence-linking-joran-van-der-sloot-natalee

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Will Not Find Computer Evidence Linking Joran Van Der Sloot To Natalee Holloway's Murder, Claims Attorney

Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client's computer."

Reports had surfaced that the Peruvian police handed over a disc from the Dutchman's computer to the FBI which they believed might help finally crack the case involving the Alabama teenager who went missing in Aruba in 2005.

But Navarro has poured cold water on these hopes by claiming the FBI are "wasting their time" with this latest line of inquiry.

He told RadarOnline.com: "The computer will now not be opened up until April 18, 2011, but they will not find any information about Natalee Holloway.

"We are not worried. The FBI they are wasting their time looking for such evidence, we are not worried about it at all.

"I have spoken with Joran and he is not concerned that anything will be discovered."


 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::snipping2::

This should be grave concern for Joran's defense in his murder of Stephany Flores because he stated the reason he started beating her to death is because she was on HIS COMPUTER and saw information about NATALEE.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
I contend that not just ANYBODY could plead an insanity defense and expect it to fly because he/she became enraged and killed when coming upon somebody in the act of looking at his/her computer files.

Janet

++++++

SuzieQ
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #856 2/14/11 -
« Reply #917 on: March 18, 2011, 11:14:35 PM »


http://beinglatino.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/horrid-defense-for-a-murder-in-peru/

Horrid defense for a murder in Peru
by Eric Jude Cortes

There are few reasons for killing another human being. Self defense and military service might be just about the only legitimate reasons for permanently ending another human being’s presence on earth. As Joran van der Sloot is showing us in Peru, a new reason to justify killing might be that the person was upset. Van der Sloot’s pleading of temporary insanity in the murder of Stephany Flores is none other than the work of a rich foreigner looking to use his privileges to avoid facing justice.

  ::snipping2::

This is simply the case of a spoiled psychopathic child thinking that he is above the law. Wealthy foreigners often see the developing world as their play place and Van der Sloot is no different.

  ::snipping2::

In a perfect world, parasites like Joran van der Sloot would be locked up and never heard from again. It is the responsibility of the Peruvian justice system to ensure a fair trial, and to ensure that the victim is not forgotten. By giving Van der Sloot the maximum penalty allowable, and blocking any crafty legal maneuvering, Peru can demonstrate that like many other great nations, it doesn’t put justice up for sale.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.msg1317453#msg1317453


Lives Like a King

Ricardo Flores:


'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

November 10, 2010


http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

I contend that just ANYBODY s/b I contend that not just ANYBODY


Fixed = San


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on March 23, 2011, 05:43:21 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/03/exclusive-fbi-will-not-find-computer-evidence-linking-joran-van-der-sloot-natalee

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Will Not Find Computer Evidence Linking Joran Van Der Sloot To Natalee Holloway's Murder, Claims Attorney

Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client's computer."

Reports had surfaced that the Peruvian police handed over a disc from the Dutchman's computer to the FBI which they believed might help finally crack the case involving the Alabama teenager who went missing in Aruba in 2005.

But Navarro has poured cold water on these hopes by claiming the FBI are "wasting their time" with this latest line of inquiry.

He told RadarOnline.com: "The computer will now not be opened up until April 18, 2011, but they will not find any information about Natalee Holloway.

"We are not worried. The FBI they are wasting their time looking for such evidence, we are not worried about it at all.

"I have spoken with Joran and he is not concerned that anything will be discovered."


 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::snipping2::

This should be grave concern for Joran's defense in his murder of Stephany Flores because he stated the reason he started beating her to death is because she was on HIS COMPUTER and saw information about NATALEE.



Me thinks that Maximo will be wearing a helmet when he visits Joran next time  ::MonkeyWink::

Can you just picture Joran when he speaks to him.  How many times do I have to tell you before you release a statement about me make sure it matches my other lies.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2011, 06:58:26 PM
We already knew this but here is the actual order filed on 3/21/11.  The other 2 pages are just names of the attorneys, etc:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5554443124_3022967fcf_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 08:52:08 PM
Thank you Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 08:56:50 PM
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/03/exclusive-fbi-will-not-find-computer-evidence-linking-joran-van-der-sloot-natalee

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Will Not Find Computer Evidence Linking Joran Van Der Sloot To Natalee Holloway's Murder, Claims Attorney

Joran Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro has exclusively told RadarOnline.com: "The FBI will not find anything that will help them solve the Natalee Holloway case from my client's computer."

Reports had surfaced that the Peruvian police handed over a disc from the Dutchman's computer to the FBI which they believed might help finally crack the case involving the Alabama teenager who went missing in Aruba in 2005.

But Navarro has poured cold water on these hopes by claiming the FBI are "wasting their time" with this latest line of inquiry.

He told RadarOnline.com: "The computer will now not be opened up until April 18, 2011, but they will not find any information about Natalee Holloway.

"We are not worried. The FBI they are wasting their time looking for such evidence, we are not worried about it at all.

"I have spoken with Joran and he is not concerned that anything will be discovered."


 ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::snipping2::

This should be grave concern for Joran's defense in his murder of Stephany Flores because he stated the reason he started beating her to death is because she was on HIS COMPUTER and saw information about NATALEE.



Me thinks that Maximo will be wearing a helmet when he visits Joran next time  ::MonkeyWink::

Can you just picture Joran when he speaks to him.  How many times do I have to tell you before you release a statement about me make sure it matches my other lies.

Wonder if Anita can still kick that high...   ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/RichieKock/RichieKockAnitaVDS01.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 09:14:27 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5108:aanklacht-tegen-25-jaar-slecht-bestuur&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

"Charges dropped against 25 years poor governance '

Wednesday, 23 March 2011 8:05 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - In what he hoped my latest book on politics "calls describes Armand Hessels 25 years Status Aparte as a period in which directors and members of Parliament were indulged in self-enrichment and corruption. "This is a book of 200 pages. I only mentioned the main points. This book could easily be 500 pages. "

by our reporter:
Ariën Rasmijn

Hessels (57), counselor and policy Colegio Arubano, taken months of intensive work on which his indictment of the administration of the last 25 years calls. In his first book, "Good governance and the political reality" (2001) said he deliberately did not party. "I did not want the book would be seized by politicians for the other black." Because the new book is an overview of the past 25 years, he calls a spade a spade. On the basis of known cases, such as the debacle surrounding the pensions, MWV, the landfill and the transitional allowance for ministers and members of Parliament he puts a picture set of self-enrichment, lack of policy and willful lack of control, as it systematically to lack of annual figures. "For after all, no figures year to check your heart can be rigged," he says. "Companies like Philips or a huge country like the United States shall not later than three months after the new year with their annual figures. If after all these years you are still unable to publish annual figures on time, then it is no longer a question of can not, but do not want. "

Political loyalty
The book goes beyond say 25 years from The Greatest Hits mismanagement. Hessels looking backgrounds and points to the still used old politics of clientelism, or political loyalty, which bind citizens to politicians by their "favors" to grant. "This band can only be broken when the economy is bad and the citizens feel in their wallets. Only then, they are critical to the government and the band is gone. That period is now and I hope that the people seize the moment. The same applies to the social partners. They should now show the Social Dialogue, harder than they do today, that the government needs them. " 

If it had been lying to himself, wrote Hessels about totally different things. "In 2005 I published a book about pregnancy," Embarazo y Parto the harmonia. I prefer to write about nature and health. But that will all face the consequences of bad governance. So I have written about. "Hessels would like for or in collaboration with the government to write books and brochures about health issues and care for nature. "I have offered my services to several governments. But now I know that through my writing and utterances have become persona non grata. "
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 09:33:16 PM
Flashback...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/04/why-paint-rocks-in-the-middle-of-nowhere/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5110:beschilderde-rotsen-geven-verkeerde-indruk&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/23-03-2011/645425.jpg)

"Painted rocks give the wrong impression '

Wednesday, 23 March 2011 8:08 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Following a two rocks that are painted by unknown along the main road near the airport Reina Beatrix, the Office of Public Works (DOW) issued a press release.

DOW says not happy with the painted rocks, the one painted with the colors of the Aruban flag and the other totally yellow, because they meet tourists' a false impression of our island and how we treat our environment. " While Dow believes that the unknown artists with great care have been involved, the public still have to clean or replace the rocks.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 23, 2011, 09:37:55 PM
Flashback...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/04/why-paint-rocks-in-the-middle-of-nowhere/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5110:beschilderde-rotsen-geven-verkeerde-indruk&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/23-03-2011/645425.jpg)

"Painted rocks give the wrong impression '

Wednesday, 23 March 2011 8:08 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Following a two rocks that are painted by unknown along the main road near the airport Reina Beatrix, the Office of Public Works (DOW) issued a press release.

DOW says not happy with the painted rocks, the one painted with the colors of the Aruban flag and the other totally yellow, because they meet tourists' a false impression of our island and how we treat our environment. " While Dow believes that the unknown artists with great care have been involved, the public still have to clean or replace the rocks.
Rock painting is long tradition in Aruba.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 10:07:24 PM
If I understand correctly they are also investigating the possibility of a female officer being involved in the crime too.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6687&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6687/2_1300894802.jpg)

10 hora happen | fecha: 23/03/2011 | horario: 11:37

this is the sospechoso c. cu is being sospecha of owing to happen because; agent policial of r.s.t. for so less drugs for of bendedor y traficador of drugs

as we owing to relata in one informe anterior here can see the sospechoso cordeiro cual is deteni at the momentonan here for owing to happen because; acolyte of r.s.t. y arm cu one arm of candela steal drugs for of bendedornan y traficadornan of drugs. the sospechoso here owing to being señala at several ocasion cu one agent policial female y for less all doubt is bay investiga the agent here also. 
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 10:11:24 PM
http://www.werkenbijhetklpd.nl/portal/page?_pageid=473,1780044&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

Google translation:

RST

The Criminal Investigation Team Netherlands, Aruba, Curacao, St. Maarten and Caribbean Netherlands (RST) has a special role and composition. As a team of detectives, we focus primarily on addressing serious, organized and transnational crime and terrorism. For the preparation, implementation and support of criminal investigations is qualitatively and quantitatively special investigative capacity required.

The team has offices in Aruba, Curacao, St. Maarten and Caribbean Netherlands and has a support staff in the Netherlands. In addition, the RST on a Unit Information & Expertise. In total, the RST approximately 119 police officers, from local police forces and police officers sent from various Dutch police regions and other investigative organizations.

The RST shall operate in subordination to the relevant local authority. The Administrator of the RST is conducted by the Chief of Police of the National Police Agency.

The work at the RST requires skilled staff with a positive feeling towards intercultural cooperation. Besides your contribution to intercultural cooperation stress resistance, flexibility and integrity required.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
SELF-EDIT - MY LAST POST

I contend that just ANYBODY s/b I contend that not just ANYBODY


Fixed = San

Thanks San

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 10:26:24 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6684&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

Papiamentu translation:

22 hora happen | fecha: 23/03/2011 | horario: 00:09

although cu autoridadnan judicial does not give mucho informacion, landsrecherche owing to achieve encargo for investiga one acolyte of r.s.t. (fictisio) cu is using arm for "horta" drugs

is for of saturday cu awe24.com owing to publica in form of primicia y exclusivo, cu police at aeropuerto owing to achieve they're detene one person of surname cordeiro, that is one aruban, that was identifica his self because; one acolyte of rst.

tuesday morning, in combersacion cu vocero of ministerio publico, cu owing to confirma for we, cu have such person deteni, that owing to come is actua because; one “opsporings-ambtenaar” (investigation officer) fictisio, but more the does not owing to give of the caso here.

of acuerdo cu we informacionnan, the person here was being see much trip in compania of one police female, that together cu his girlfriend owing to come is visit the agent of rst fictisio here. they was bay in bedroom of one hotel capitalino. nothing contra ley, till so far cu we know.

but thing the agent policial female here, will was witness of dje is, cu cordeiro, is march cu one arm of candela y was haci usage of this, for menasa the bendedornan of drugs, y less they drugs for of they, because the is tell of is one acolyte of rst.
 
::snipping2::

unabes cu owing to detene cordeiro, one dado instant one advocate young owing to present at keep of police, cu one arm, cu is one coy play y tell, cu his cliente had dicho arm in his power. thing for of investigacion not t’e caso, because have proof cu thing cu cordeiro had in his power, was one arm of berdad, but the advocate wanted owing to happen polisnan one 6 for 9.

of acuerdo cu conocedornan of husticia, the advocate here can some owing to stay deteni also, because the is lie y wanted manipula the investigacion.

tuesday morning the agent fictisio of rst, cordeiro owing to present fast fiscal y huez comisario y his detencion owing to stay prolonga, already cu here is deal of one caso very earnest self.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2011, 10:31:13 PM
Now I'm wondering if the guy is really an RST officer, or was just representing himself as one.

I hate trying to figure out what they're really saying! 

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 10:49:59 PM
THOSE ON BOARD THE PERSISTENCE - THE CATALYST

My prayer is that Natalee Holloway will be returned to her country ... will be returned to family members ... family members who after almost six years will be afforded the opportunity to lay their loved one to rest on American soil.

I believe that there are those who were on board the Persistence who could be instrumental in bringing about required pressure to make that happen ... those who witnessed and video taped the furthering of the Aruban coverup agenda ... the Aruban coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen since May 30, 2005.

+++++

The Parable of the Lamp

Mark 4:21-23


Then Jesus asked them, “Would anyone light a lamp and then put it under a basket or under a bed? Of course not! A lamp is placed on a stand, where its light will shine.  For everything that is hidden will eventually be brought into the open, and every secret will be brought to light.  Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.”


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 23, 2011, 10:59:32 PM
It is a given that:
 
1. Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum regarding a Persistence betrayal in Aruban waters by John Silvetti should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
2.  Actual video footage of the three ROV dives encompassing the trap located in Aruban waters should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
3.  The American crew who were on board the Persistence during the search in Aruban waters should have been interrogated by the FBI.
 
4.  All pipeline/oil contracts afforded John Silvetti following the Persistence undertaking should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
Justice for an American citizen demanded it!  Why did it not happen?  Could it have been a jurisdictional issue?  Was it Homeland Security?

++++++

Jurisdiction?

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

 
Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

Red - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 24, 2011, 12:19:56 AM
It is a given that:
 
1. Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum regarding a Persistence betrayal in Aruban waters by John Silvetti should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
2.  Actual video footage of the three ROV dives encompassing the trap located in Aruban waters should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
3.  The American crew who were on board the Persistence during the search in Aruban waters should have been interrogated by the FBI.
 
4.  All pipeline/oil contracts afforded John Silvetti following the Persistence undertaking should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
Justice for an American citizen demanded it!  Why did it not happen?  Could it have been a jurisdictional issue?  Was it Homeland Security?

++++++

Jurisdiction?

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

 
Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

Red - Scared Monkeys



How do you know that the FBI did not investigate those things?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 24, 2011, 12:31:46 AM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5111:dengue-bestrijden-samen-met-private-sector-&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199 (http://www.amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5111:dengue-bestrijden-samen-met-private-sector-&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199)

Dutch to English translation
Dengue control together with private sector


Wednesday, 23 March 2011 8:09 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban government wants the dengue mosquito continue to attack with the help of the private sector. According to Health Minister Richard Visser (AVP) has been in discussion with Aruba Bank interested in contributing financially to the fight.

The minister said this week after two more breeding places of mosquitoes have been discovered in the St. Cruz police station. The discovery was made by employees of the Department and Yellow Fever Mosquito Control Department of Health during an inspection of the property. In the past, police have fined the presence of more than 50 breeding grounds for mosquitoes. Reason for the renewed control of determining dengue disease in one of the agents of the Bureau. The problem with this police station is located on the storage of seized vehicles. The cars can stand water, which is an ideal breeding ground for dengue mosquitoes poses.
Visser has personally informed of the situation to the police station in St Cruz. He argues that the police was her responsibility in the fight against dengue in Aruba. When the minister received the message on the breeding grounds for the police, the minister was just talking to experts from the Netherlands and Aruba Bank representatives about plans for the eradication of such mosquitoes. Visser Minister invited the experts and Aruba Bank immediately with him to go and spot the situation in St. Cruz come and see.
The Minister Aruba Bank has shown interest to a substantial financial contribution to the mosquito control on the island. To the way to combat dengue 'professional and more secure' are. "I am pleased that an organization from the private sector to support the fight against dengue." He encourages this type of initiative and hopes for more of this type of cooperation between the private sector and government. In the coming days, so let Fisher know, talk to the minister continues with a Dutch organization on creating a strategic plan to combat dengue in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2011, 01:50:53 AM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14310327

Kyle Fleischmann's father releases new clues in case

Posted: Mar 23, 2011 7:45 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 23, 2011 11:43 PM CDT

By Molly Grantham - bio l email

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) --  Kyle Fleischmann is arguably the most high-profile unsolved, mysterious missing person's case in Charlotte in the past decade.  The 24-year old walked out of Buckhead Saloon in Uptown Charlotte alone and drunk on November 9th, 2007, and was never seen again.

At least that's what we all thought.

But Kyle's father says at least two other people saw him afterwards.  He is sharing these new clues exclusively with WBTV.
 ::snipping2::

He also says all media exposure is important, so he and his wife sat down recently with Lifetime Television producers.  Lifetime told him they are going to feature Kyle's case in a series about ten high-profile missing person stories across the country.  Beth Holloway -- Natalie Holloway's mother -- conducted the interview.

 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 24, 2011, 02:20:17 AM
ARUBA

YOUR FIRST MOVE

WAS YOUR WORST MOVE

AND

YOU'LL NEVER RECOVER.

CHECKMATE

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 24, 2011, 02:45:50 AM
At the end of the day.......doesn't matter whether or not anything on urine's laptop connects to Natalee.....
Peru has him nailed as Stephany's murderer.........
urine's defense is he killed Stephany for what she saw on his laptop wrt Natalee....nothing there....he's toast.....
Something there wrt Natalee....he's toast!!!
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner.....
urine is toast...... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2011, 03:04:24 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 24, 2011, 03:06:25 AM
Please light a candle for Natalee!   ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 24, 2011, 04:19:07 AM
Please light a candle for Natalee!   ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2011, 03:24:21 PM
It is a given that:
 
1. Kyle Kingman's revealed posts to a private forum regarding a Persistence betrayal in Aruban waters by John Silvetti should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
2.  Actual video footage of the three ROV dives encompassing the trap located in Aruban waters should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
3.  The American crew who were on board the Persistence during the search in Aruban waters should have been interrogated by the FBI.
 
4.  All pipeline/oil contracts afforded John Silvetti following the Persistence undertaking should have been investigated by the FBI.
 
Justice for an American citizen demanded it!  Why did it not happen?  Could it have been a jurisdictional issue?  Was it Homeland Security?

++++++

Jurisdiction?

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.
 
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html

 
Homeland Security?
 
Does Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez have his Eye on Aruba? Talk about bad for their Economy
Posted February 23, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

 
If anyone wants to wonder why the US government never got more involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and why they did not take Aruba to task, they need only to look to the unstable leader of Venezuela for their answer. Hugo’s actions directly affect American's homeland security decisions.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/02/23/does-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-have-his-eye-on-aruba-talk-about-bad-for-their-economy/

Red - Scared Monkeys



How do you know that the FBI did not investigate those things?

No link.  Just heresay.

Considering the three year silence ... it makes sense IF an FBI investigation did take place ... the findings must have concluded that the ROV videos did not reveal that Natalee Holloway's remains were inside the trap ... remains which were recovered by Aruban divers unchallenged by John Silvetti or ...

Could jurisdictional issue and/or homeland security issues have dictated that the FBI could not act on findings that revealed there was a Persistence betrayal that furthered the Aruban coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for almost six years?

Janet

+++++

A Professional Opinion

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 24, 2011, 04:51:53 PM
Spanish to English translation
Van der Sloot had planned the murder of Stephanie Flores

After reviewing the laptop of Dutch experts broke up version of his defense stating that he had killed the girl by violent emotion
Thursday March 24, 2011 - 01:10 pm
(Frecuencia Latina)

New evidence in the case of Van der Sloot would point to the Dutch citizen would have planned the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010.

After a thorough investigation of the laptop hard drive of Joran van der Sloot by computer experts, where they checked their emails sent and received, web pages viewed, financial transactions and even deleted files from 29 May and 4 June 2010, determined that the Dutch had lied to justice.

According to the defense of Van der Sloot, the boy killed Flores result of "passion" and she to delve into the laptop from the Dutch in the early hours of Sunday May 30 learned that he had been accused of killing Natalee Holloway which provoked a heated discussion between the two and killed by the Peruvian.

However, after the investigation it was reported that computer-related pages Holloway's death was reviewed on Saturday from 1:00 pm until 6:00 pm, a fact that would be strong to break the Dutchman's counsel's submission.

Also, experts revealed that after the killing of Flores were consulted websites on countries that do not extradite in Latin America, places where to cross the border and bus lines in Chile. This shows that Van der Sloot and planned his escape.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/732371/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-habria-planificado-asesinato-stephany-flores


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 24, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
Same article as above but already translated:

http://www.livinginperu.com/news/14500

March 24, 2011 [ 13:34 ]
Peru, Van der Sloot: Hard drive evidence suggests murder was premeditated

LivinginPeru.com

New evidence in the Van der Sloot case suggests that the Dutch man had planned the murder of young Peruvian woman Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010.

After information technology experts conducted an exhaustive investigation of the hard drive from Joran Van der Sloot’s laptop, in which they reviewed his sent and received email, Web pages he had viewed, financial transactions and even files that had been deleted between May 29 and June 4, 2010, they determined that the suspect had lied to the court system.

According to Van der Sloot’s defense, the young man killed Flores out of a “crime of passion” after she began digging through his laptop in his hotel room in the early morning hours of Sunday, May 30. She discovered that he had been accused of killing Natalee Holloway, which provoked a violent argument between the two that ended up claiming the life of the Peruvian woman.

Defense for Joran van der Sloot seeks 3-5 year sentence for Peru murder Mar. 7, 2011
However, after technical studies, it was determined that the pages related to Holloway’s death had been viewed on Saturday, May 29, between 1:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., a fact which is convincing enough to falsify the declarations of the Dutch man’s lawyer.

Inquiries also revealed that after Flores’ murder, pages were viewed with information about which Latin American countries do not comply with extradition, places to cross the border and bus companies in Chile. All of the evidence points to the idea that Van der Sloot was already planning his escape.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 24, 2011, 09:03:08 PM
Same article as above but already translated:

http://www.livinginperu.com/news/14500

March 24, 2011 [ 13:34 ]
Peru, Van der Sloot: Hard drive evidence suggests murder was premeditated

LivinginPeru.com

New evidence in the Van der Sloot case suggests that the Dutch man had planned the murder of young Peruvian woman Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010.

After information technology experts conducted an exhaustive investigation of the hard drive from Joran Van der Sloot’s laptop, in which they reviewed his sent and received email, Web pages he had viewed, financial transactions and even files that had been deleted between May 29 and June 4, 2010, they determined that the suspect had lied to the court system.

According to Van der Sloot’s defense, the young man killed Flores out of a “crime of passion” after she began digging through his laptop in his hotel room in the early morning hours of Sunday, May 30. She discovered that he had been accused of killing Natalee Holloway, which provoked a violent argument between the two that ended up claiming the life of the Peruvian woman.

Defense for Joran van der Sloot seeks 3-5 year sentence for Peru murder Mar. 7, 2011
However, after technical studies, it was determined that the pages related to Holloway’s death had been viewed on Saturday, May 29, between 1:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., a fact which is convincing enough to falsify the declarations of the Dutch man’s lawyer.

Inquiries also revealed that after Flores’ murder, pages were viewed with information about which Latin American countries do not comply with extradition, places to cross the border and bus companies in Chile. All of the evidence points to the idea that Van der Sloot was already planning his escape.

Thanks Klaas.

Did it not cross the mind of Peruvian lawyer Max Altez that the laptop hard drive would be investigated to verify the "crime of passion" alibi that spew out of Joran's lips?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on March 24, 2011, 11:35:56 PM
We all knew that it was way too much of a coincidence that Joran killed again on the 5th anniversary of him killing Natalee. Even though I knew, it still hits me hard to see it in tangible evidence.

Aruba is guilty of Stephany's death right along with him.

How do they sleep at night?   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 25, 2011, 12:31:13 AM
We all knew that it was way too much of a coincidence that Joran killed again on the 5th anniversary of him killing Natalee. Even though I knew, it still hits me hard to see it in tangible evidence.

Aruba is guilty of Stephany's death right along with him.

How do they sleep at night?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

They continue to intoxicate themselves at a pace even my man Charlie Sheen couldn't handle to cope what they all live with on that EVIL ISLAND. The murder of Natalee Holloway is just a tip of the iceberg in regards to the atrocities that occur on that EVIL ISLAND on a regular basis.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 25, 2011, 12:56:32 AM
If you think this is going to ever end Aruba, you are sadly mistaken.

One afternoon I reach Beth on her cell phone. "I'm in Columbus, Ohio, on a secret mission," she says. "I'm putting together another strike against Aruba. I tell you, Bryan, those people down there, they'll never know what hit them. They should never have messed with me."


http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=2


This is a fantastic read. Here's another quote that is very telling about the minute the land.



"When the Twittys' private jet arrived in Aruba that first night, it was dark. The group piled into two vans driven by workers from Aruba's general-aviation office."


And another....

"At the Holiday Inn, Beth and Jug found another of the senior-trip escorts, a teacher named Paul Lilly, waiting with the only American official Lilly had found, a Drug Enforcement Administration agent."

And another....

"Beth took a hotel employee aside and described him. "She knew exactly who he was: Joran van der Sloot," Beth remembers. "And then she said—these were her exact words—'He tends to prey upon young female tourists.'"


ARUBA IS FULLY AWARE OF THE PREYING UPON FOREIGN WOMEN THAT GOES ON BY THE MISCREANTS ON THAT ISLAND..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 25, 2011, 01:09:40 AM
Who happens to show up as soon as they arrive on that EVIL ISLAND?


"By now they had been joined by Charles Croes, a wealthy Aruban who owned a cellular-phone rental company on the island. According to Croes, who was summoned to meet Beth in a darkened gas-station parking lot, Natalee had made a cell-phone call to an American number, and Beth was curious to know to whom. It turned out to have been an accidental call to a friend."


Is it possible that it wasn't even Natalee that made the call, but a call was accidentally made by one of the miscreants?





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 25, 2011, 01:42:11 AM
aruba is toast...end of days for aruba and all that denied Justice for Natalee and by covering for urine will be held accountable for the murder of Stephany....
rot in hell aruba and cover up crew......
and those that took advantage.....TM and persistence crew....shame on you all......your judgment day is also just around the corner.......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 25, 2011, 01:50:49 AM
Flashback...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/04/why-paint-rocks-in-the-middle-of-nowhere/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5110:beschilderde-rotsen-geven-verkeerde-indruk&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/23-03-2011/645425.jpg)

"Painted rocks give the wrong impression '

Wednesday, 23 March 2011 8:08 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Following a two rocks that are painted by unknown along the main road near the airport Reina Beatrix, the Office of Public Works (DOW) issued a press release.

DOW says not happy with the painted rocks, the one painted with the colors of the Aruban flag and the other totally yellow, because they meet tourists' a false impression of our island and how we treat our environment. " While Dow believes that the unknown artists with great care have been involved, the public still have to clean or replace the rocks.
Rock painting is long tradition in Aruba.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Right on!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 02:22:30 AM
Ariean and Flora de Bie's daughters:

Josien de Bie

http://en-pi.facebook.com/people/Josien-de-Bie/554104570?sk=wall

Worked at Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition and Behavior (PhD student)
Studied Gedrag en Neurobiologie (Neurobiology and Behavior ) at University of Groningen
Lives in Nijmegen, Netherlands
From Kampen, Netherlands

http://www.ru.nl/donders/

http://neurofederatie.nl/member_details.php?id=2029
Member details
Drs. Josien DE BIE 
Medical Biophysics
Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition and Behavior
6525 EZ Nijmegen
Netherlands


http://cbn.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/root/2007/PhysiolBehavVidal/2007PhysiolBehavVidal.pdf

http://josienie.wordpress.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Annemarie de Bie

http://www.celtann.com/home.asp

http://www.celtann.com/album.asp

Take her in your arms- Celtann

This album  is the product of a lot of hard work and help from many people.
It was recorded in a mini home studio on Aruba in the beginning of 2004.
Mixed and recorded at the house of John van der Pluijm it took the whole de Bie family and John and a whole lot of patience and organizing to  accomplish what you hold in your hand now. For the lyrics of some of the songs we've  had to delve into Irish history, wrack our brains and ransack the internet to be able to understand what we were singing.
After all was done, we realized we probably could have done it better, faster and probably should have started sooner, but... the goal isn't worth achieving if you don't get to make the journey towards it. I've learned so much and not just about music...
I would like to thank John and my Dad Ariean for all their efforts both musical and technical, my Mum Flora and my sister Margriet for their patience, their musical contribution to this album and their faith in  me. I would also like to thank my sister Josien for getting me a place to rest my weary head, thank you Pete, Bonnie, Dieb, Violaine...
Thank you all so very much....for taking me in your arms


http://www.flingmusic.com/band.asp?lan=eng

http://www.flingmusic.com/band.asp?ID=2

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Margriet de Bie


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 02:24:06 AM

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 25, 2011, 05:34:13 AM
Ariean and Flora de Bie's daughters:

Josien de Bie

http://en-pi.facebook.com/people/Josien-de-Bie/554104570?sk=wall

Worked at Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition and Behavior (PhD student)
Studied Gedrag en Neurobiologie (Neurobiology and Behavior ) at University of Groningen
Lives in Nijmegen, Netherlands
From Kampen, Netherlands

http://www.ru.nl/donders/

http://neurofederatie.nl/member_details.php?id=2029
Member details
Drs. Josien DE BIE 
Medical Biophysics
Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition and Behavior
6525 EZ Nijmegen
Netherlands


http://cbn.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/root/2007/PhysiolBehavVidal/2007PhysiolBehavVidal.pdf

http://josienie.wordpress.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Great find.  Quite interesting research.  I wonder if there are emails, on Joran's laptop.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2011, 09:37:10 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Investigators-demolish-van-der-Sloots-crime-of/v7n4cnDxhk2y2BvVdns-ag.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Investigators-demolish-van-der-Sloots-crime-of/v7n4cnDxhk2y2BvVdns-ag.cspx)

Investigators demolish van der Sloot's "crime of passion" defense

Birmingham, Al  (CBS42)  Joran van der Sloot has a proven track record of lying about various aspects of the Natalee Holloway disappearance.  Now it looks like he also lied when he said he killed a Peruvian student in a rage after she found Natalee related material on his laptop.

Timing is the key tp van der Sloot's defense that the death of Stephany Flores was a crime of passion.  The body of the 21 year old was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a school trip to Aruba.

Now Peruvian authorities are saying their forensic exam of van der Sloot's laptop shows the Holloway related files were accessed much earlier in the day than the time of Flores' death.

That search reportedly found  that the pages related to Holloway’s death had been viewed on Saturday, May 29, between 1:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., a fact at odds with a "crime of passion" defense.


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2011, 12:00:41 PM
ARIEAN DE BIE

The November, 2007 Arrests

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

Investigators also returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions. The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed.

Defense attorneys for the Kalpoes and van der Sloot have said the prosecutors' evidence is flimsy. "To say it's less than nothing is too much," van der Sloot's lawyer, Ariean de Bie, told CNN.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-11-30/world/aruba.holloway_1_sloot-hans-mos-aruban/2?_s=PM:WORLD


The Range Rover Confession

Confession was a sham
Amigoe.com
02/04/2008


HILVERSUM/ORANJESTAD -- Joran van der Sloot said in the Dutch TV-program Pauw & Witteman that his ‘confession’, of which Peter R. de Vries has recordings, was made up. “I just told him what he wanted to hear”, said Joran. His Aruban lawyer, Ariean de Bie confirms the story: “He didn’t know that he was dealing with a so-called friend. The man spoke perfect Papiamento and is from Aruba. What he told him was rubbish.”

<snipped>

Posted by Getagrip at 2/04/2008 10:36:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/confession-was-sham-amigoe.html


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/



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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2011, 12:04:09 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Investigators-demolish-van-der-Sloots-crime-of/v7n4cnDxhk2y2BvVdns-ag.cspx (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Investigators-demolish-van-der-Sloots-crime-of/v7n4cnDxhk2y2BvVdns-ag.cspx)

Investigators demolish van der Sloot's "crime of passion" defense

Birmingham, Al  (CBS42)  Joran van der Sloot has a proven track record of lying about various aspects of the Natalee Holloway disappearance.  Now it looks like he also lied when he said he killed a Peruvian student in a rage after she found Natalee related material on his laptop.

Timing is the key tp van der Sloot's defense that the death of Stephany Flores was a crime of passion.  The body of the 21 year old was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a school trip to Aruba.

Now Peruvian authorities are saying their forensic exam of van der Sloot's laptop shows the Holloway related files were accessed much earlier in the day than the time of Flores' death.

That search reportedly found  that the pages related to Holloway’s death had been viewed on Saturday, May 29, between 1:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m., a fact at odds with a "crime of passion" defense.

Thanks Klaas.

Will the case now go to trial?  Will justice prevail Stephany flores?

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2011, 01:38:37 PM
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14310327

Kyle Fleischmann's father releases new clues in case

Posted: Mar 23, 2011 7:45 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 23, 2011 11:43 PM CDT

By Molly Grantham - bio l email

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) --  Kyle Fleischmann is arguably the most high-profile unsolved, mysterious missing person's case in Charlotte in the past decade.  The 24-year old walked out of Buckhead Saloon in Uptown Charlotte alone and drunk on November 9th, 2007, and was never seen again.

At least that's what we all thought.

But Kyle's father says at least two other people saw him afterwards.  He is sharing these new clues exclusively with WBTV.
 ::snipping2::

He also says all media exposure is important, so he and his wife sat down recently with Lifetime Television producers.  Lifetime told him they are going to feature Kyle's case in a series about ten high-profile missing person stories across the country.  Beth Holloway -- Natalie Holloway's mother -- conducted the interview.

 ::snipping2::



Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm

Beth Holloway:

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

May 30, 2010


http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

+++++++

Lifetime Orders 'Natalee Holloway' Movie Sequel, Reality Series WIth Holloway's Mom
Wednesday February 23, 2011 @ 6:41pm PST


<snipped>

Vanished with Beth Holloway will feature families who've been victimized by unspeakable crimes who, left with little hope, turn to Beth Holloway, herself on a quest to uncover the mystery surrounding her daughter Natalee's disappearance. Each of the 10 episodes will profile real-life mysteries, giving detailed accounts of the events as described by those closest to the victims interviewed by Beth who will offer her insight into each case.  Jupiter Entertainment is producing, with Stephen Land (City Confidential) executive producing.

<snipped>

http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/lifetime-orders-natalee-holloway-movie-sequel-reality-series-with-holloways-mom/


Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


<snipped>

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.

<snipped>

 :smt060




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Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2011, 03:54:31 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/peru-police-van-der-885870.html (http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/peru-police-van-der-885870.html)

Peru police: Van der Sloot lying about laptop

By FRANK BAJAK

The Associated Press
1:31 p.m. Friday, March 25, 2011

LIMA, Peru — A study of Joran van der Sloot's laptop shows he is lying when he says he killed a young Peruvian woman in a fit of rage because she discovered his connection to Natalee Holloway's disappearance while using it, a senior Peruvian police official said Friday.

Stephany Flores did not view any such information on the laptop after accompanying Van der Sloot to the Lima hotel room where she was killed on May 30, the technology chief of Peru's police, Col. Oscar Gonzales, told The Associated Press.

"She didn't view anything about Holloway. It's a lie that she tried to ask him about (the case)," Gonzales said.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, said Gonzales was wrong, but said he had not yet seen the police study of the laptop, which Gonzales said was sent to the trial judge.

Several Peruvian news media reported on the study Thursday without citing sources.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2011, 03:56:41 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D (http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D)

“Van der Sloot went on gambling after murder”

By Michael Blass
Created 25 March 2011 17:15

Joran van der Sloot may have spent the night playing online poker after murdering Stephany Flores, according to Peruvian forensic investigators who have carried out a detailed examination of his laptop.

The detectives also found that Flores did not search for information on Natalee Holloway immediately before the murder, as Van der Sloot claims. The laptop was used to search for details of the Holloway case, but much earlier in the day, Dutch website Crimesite reports. Van der Sloot says he killed Flores in a fury when he saw she was reading about his alleged involvement in Holloway’s disappearance.

Between 04.24 and 08.23 Van der Sloot’s laptop was in use, with a number of pauses, and two poker websites were visited. This could suggest Van der Sloot went on playing poker after murdering Flores. Another possibility is that the murder took place after the poker games were finished. This would mean the killing did not take place during a row shortly after the two returned to the hotel at 05.30, as he claimed in his initial statement to the police.
 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Kermit on March 25, 2011, 04:35:26 PM
Ariean and Flora de Bie's daughters:

Josien de Bie

http://en-pi.facebook.com/people/Josien-de-Bie/554104570?sk=wall

Worked at Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition and Behavior (PhD student)
Studied Gedrag en Neurobiologie (Neurobiology and Behavior ) at University of Groningen
Lives in Nijmegen, Netherlands
From Kampen, Netherlands

http://www.ru.nl/donders/

http://neurofederatie.nl/member_details.php?id=2029
Member details
Drs. Josien DE BIE 
Medical Biophysics
Donders Institute for Brain, Cognition and Behavior
6525 EZ Nijmegen
Netherlands


http://cbn.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/root/2007/PhysiolBehavVidal/2007PhysiolBehavVidal.pdf

http://josienie.wordpress.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Great find.  Quite interesting research.  I wonder if there are emails, on Joran's laptop.

I turned over all the email addy's I had for Joran. Can't say how tempting it was to have them hacked
right after we learned of Stephany's death. But Justice will prevail.



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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2011, 05:46:08 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D (http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D)

“Van der Sloot went on gambling after murder”

By Michael Blass
Created 25 March 2011 17:15

Joran van der Sloot may have spent the night playing online poker after murdering Stephany Flores, according to Peruvian forensic investigators who have carried out a detailed examination of his laptop.

The detectives also found that Flores did not search for information on Natalee Holloway immediately before the murder, as Van der Sloot claims. The laptop was used to search for details of the Holloway case, but much earlier in the day, Dutch website Crimesite reports. Van der Sloot says he killed Flores in a fury when he saw she was reading about his alleged involvement in Holloway’s disappearance.

Between 04.24 and 08.23 Van der Sloot’s laptop was in use, with a number of pauses, and two poker websites were visited. This could suggest Van der Sloot went on playing poker after murdering Flores. Another possibility is that the murder took place after the poker games were finished. This would mean the killing did not take place during a row shortly after the two returned to the hotel at 05.30, as he claimed in his initial statement to the police. ::snipping2::

What you say Joran?  What you say Max Altez?

I cannot comprehend Joran's Peruvian attorney claiming a defence that can be so easily challenged by the prosecutor.  Something does not make sense.

Janet


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2011, 06:01:56 PM
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/peru-police-van-der-885870.html (http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/peru-police-van-der-885870.html)

Peru police: Van der Sloot lying about laptop

By FRANK BAJAK

The Associated Press
1:31 p.m. Friday, March 25, 2011

LIMA, Peru — A study of Joran van der Sloot's laptop shows he is lying when he says he killed a young Peruvian woman in a fit of rage because she discovered his connection to Natalee Holloway's disappearance while using it, a senior Peruvian police official said Friday.

Stephany Flores did not view any such information on the laptop after accompanying Van der Sloot to the Lima hotel room where she was killed on May 30, the technology chief of Peru's police, Col. Oscar Gonzales, told The Associated Press.

"She didn't view anything about Holloway. It's a lie that she tried to ask him about (the case)," Gonzales said.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, said Gonzales was wrong, but said he had not yet seen the police study of the laptop, which Gonzales said was sent to the trial judge.

Several Peruvian news media reported on the study Thursday without citing sources.
 ::snipping2::

Maximo Altez?  What an idiot!

If Joran is not held accountable for the murder of Stephany Flores to the full extent of Peruvian law ... it can only be assumed that Joran is once again being protected by "higher ups".

Janet

++++

Beth Holloway

On the Record w/ Greta  - November 14, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN: They are saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ... it has to be.

Transcript Credit: Heli


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 25, 2011, 06:26:24 PM
ARUBA=TRASH

Urine brands Aruba as trash every time there are headlines


Peru police: Van der Sloot lying about laptop



http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-world/20110325/LT.Peru.Van.der.Sloot/


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 25, 2011, 06:29:25 PM
Headlines around the world Aruba. The headlines will go on until you get rid of all the nefarious miscreants that exist on that Island. In other words, BLOW the whole island up... ::MonkeyNoNo::


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Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 06:55:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/29317-laptop-di-joran-vd-sloot-ta-revela-cu-a-planifica-asesinato-di-stephany-flores.html

Papiamentu translation:

laptop of joran v/d sloot is revela cu owing to planifica asesinato of stephany flores

friday, 25 march 2011 09:50

popup video

evidencia new achieve by of investigadornan peruvian is revela various movecion haci on the laptop of joran v/d sloot cu is desbarata the defence cu joran will owing to kill stephany flores in one instant emocional. click play for see the reportahe amplio.

comentarionan (2) mustra/kita comentarionan come across...

scirbi for albert1, march 25, 2011
then van der straaten not tey for jude!! -1 come across...

scirbi for marylee, march 25, 2011
jij hangt jongen! er hangt je 35 jaar boven het hoofd! come across

Google (Dutch) translation:

Comentarionan (2)
Mustra / Kita comentarionan
...
Scirbi pa Albert1, March 25, 2011
Anto van der Straaten no Tey jude Dad!

-1


...
Scirbi pa Marylee, March 25, 2011
You're on boy! There's your 35 years above them!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 07:06:25 PM
http://www.24ora.com/internacional-mainmenu-6/29317-laptop-di-joran-vd-sloot-ta-revela-cu-a-planifica-asesinato-di-stephany-flores.html#comments

Google translation:
 ::snipping2::


Scirbi pa Kia, March 25, 2011
I'm not a judge and I'm not a saint.
But if you're still so fast, KARMA overtaken you.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 07:23:05 PM
Another attempted suicide...

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6707&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

Papiamentu translation:

3 hora happen | fecha: 25/03/2011 | horario: 15:31

at paw-paw man depressed owing to intenta suicida his self but they owing to succeed rescate at time

diabierna afternoon owing to enter informe of cu at paw-paw a will owing to try suicida his self, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol they owing to achieve the person less end for of where ela intenta the suicidio but was show not mucho good. 

::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 07:31:46 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6702&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

Papiamentu translation:

19 hora happen | fecha: 25/03/2011 | horario: 00:25

landsrecherche owing to detene employee publico of censo, relaciona cu falsificacion of paspoort

much person owing to believe cu not can falsifica passport dutch, but apparently this can. not only esey, have one employee publico, of surname d. that is work at censo, contra payment is percura for several foreigner achieve passport dutch. denuncia owing to being haci by of several person, y hour cu owing to believe cu they denuncia do not achieve oido, landsrecherche owing to come is haci his investigacion, till cu owing to conduci end at some detencion. 

::snipping2::


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Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 08:31:59 PM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/25-03-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

"Laptop proves premeditation Joran”

ORANGE CITY / LIMA -  New evidence found Joran on the laptop van der Sloot, would give evidence that the Stephany Flores murder with malice counsel was committed, and not as his lawyer suggests "In a fit of violent emotion '.

This assumes at least the Peruvian newspaper El Comercio. The newspaper writes that after thorough investigation by the Peruvian authorities, for more looked at the email traffic, internet history and files, is showed that Joran Justice has lied. He would After the murder of Flores Internet include looking have information about countries that no extradition grant to Peru. Moreover, he sought for bus routes went over the border to Chile. This shows, according to the newspaper of a cold and calculating action and not someone who has emotional overcome.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
Steve Croes FB.  Looks like he's in Miami at the moment:

Steve Croes
im in miami bitchhhh
Yesterday at 11:46am


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=592926814&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=592926814&sk=wall)

Posted on his FB in February:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/5559427635_868e8d0cda_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 25, 2011, 08:59:56 PM
Steve Croes FB.  Looks like he's in Miami at the moment:

Steve Croes
im in miami bitchhhh
Yesterday at 11:46am


http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=592926814&sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=592926814&sk=wall)

Posted on his FB in February:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/5559427635_868e8d0cda_o.jpg)


Connect the Dots

Transcript: Stunning Development in Holloway Case
Tuesday, April 18, 2006


BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: .... And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect ( and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html



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Post by: texasmom on March 25, 2011, 10:49:53 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/03/25/peru.van.der.sloot/

Source: Van der Sloot lied about laptop use in killing

From Mayra Cuevas, In Session

March 26, 2011 -- Updated 0222 GMT (1022 HKT)

(CNN) -- The laptop belonging to Joran Van der Sloot was turned off the night he is suspected of having killed a young Peruvian woman in Lima, suggesting he lied to investigators when he said he attacked her after she read an e-mail on his computer connecting him to missing American teenager, Natalee Holloway, a source said Friday.

Van der Sloot has been charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the case of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. Authorities found Flores' body in a Lima hotel room registered to him last year.

Surveillance video from the hotel shows Van der Sloot and Flores entering the hotel room together around 5 a.m. on Sunday, May 30. He is seen leaving by himself some three hours later.

Police have said that Van der Sloot admitted he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connecting him to the Holloway case.

But, according to an analysis of that computer, it was turned off between Saturday, May 29 around 3 p.m. and Sunday, May 30 around noon, a source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told In Session.

A police official, meanwhile, said the computer was active, but that nothing done or received during the time period in question would suggest Flores saw information linking Van der Sloot to Holloway. The official, connected to the case, was not authorized to speak publicly about it.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, said the laptop analysis does not change his defense. His client attacked Flores after she found something on his computer that tied him to Holloway, he said.

"The police can't determine the exact time when Stephany was killed. She was in the room for three days ... Joran didn't mean to kill this woman," said Altez.

Flores' body was discovered on June 2.

Van de Sloot is perhaps best-known as the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway in Aruba. He was arrested twice in connection with the case, but was not charged.

Investigators found some files related to the Holloway case on Van der Sloot's computer, but many of them were deleted, the source said.

After killing Flores, police say, Van der Sloot took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested June 3. He was returned the next day to Peru and is being held at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima.

Van der Sloot used his laptop to search travel to Chile and border checkpoints, the source said.

He could face a minimum of 15 years in prison if found guilty of first-degree murder. If convicted on the lesser charge of manslaughter, he could face up to five years in prison.

Altez recently supplied In Session with a copy of a motion he filed last year in support of the manslaughter charge.

"My client ... admits having murdered the victim, but not with ferocity, for profit or pleasure, nor any of the other element(s) that make up this murder, but only by violent emotion that overtook him at the time he was attacked by the victim," the motion read.

 ::snipping2::


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Post by: Magnolia on March 25, 2011, 11:54:03 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/03/25/peru.van.der.sloot/

Source: Van der Sloot lied about laptop use in killing

From Mayra Cuevas, In Session

March 26, 2011 -- Updated 0222 GMT (1022 HKT)

(CNN) -- The laptop belonging to Joran Van der Sloot was turned off the night he is suspected of having killed a young Peruvian woman in Lima, suggesting he lied to investigators when he said he attacked her after she read an e-mail on his computer connecting him to missing American teenager, Natalee Holloway, a source said Friday.

Van der Sloot has been charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the case of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. Authorities found Flores' body in a Lima hotel room registered to him last year.

Surveillance video from the hotel shows Van der Sloot and Flores entering the hotel room together around 5 a.m. on Sunday, May 30. He is seen leaving by himself some three hours later.

Police have said that Van der Sloot admitted he attacked Flores on May 30 after she read an e-mail on his computer connecting him to the Holloway case.

But, according to an analysis of that computer, it was turned off between Saturday, May 29 around 3 p.m. and Sunday, May 30 around noon, a source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told In Session.

A police official, meanwhile, said the computer was active, but that nothing done or received during the time period in question would suggest Flores saw information linking Van der Sloot to Holloway. The official, connected to the case, was not authorized to speak publicly about it.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, said the laptop analysis does not change his defense. His client attacked Flores after she found something on his computer that tied him to Holloway, he said.

"The police can't determine the exact time when Stephany was killed. She was in the room for three days ... Joran didn't mean to kill this woman," said Altez.

Flores' body was discovered on June 2.

Van de Sloot is perhaps best-known as the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway in Aruba. He was arrested twice in connection with the case, but was not charged.

Investigators found some files related to the Holloway case on Van der Sloot's computer, but many of them were deleted, the source said.

After killing Flores, police say, Van der Sloot took money and bank cards from her wallet and fled to Chile, where he was arrested June 3. He was returned the next day to Peru and is being held at the Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima.

Van der Sloot used his laptop to search travel to Chile and border checkpoints, the source said.

He could face a minimum of 15 years in prison if found guilty of first-degree murder. If convicted on the lesser charge of manslaughter, he could face up to five years in prison.

Altez recently supplied In Session with a copy of a motion he filed last year in support of the manslaughter charge.

"My client ... admits having murdered the victim, but not with ferocity, for profit or pleasure, nor any of the other element(s) that make up this murder, but only by violent emotion that overtook him at the time he was attacked by the victim," the motion read.

 ::snipping2::



But, we know that the FBI can retrieve the deleted files from the slack space on
the computer.


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Post by: grace-land on March 25, 2011, 11:59:38 PM
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/25/peru-police-laptop-analysis-shows-joran-van-der-sloot-is-lying/

Peru Police: Laptop Analysis Shows van der Sloot Is LyingMar 25, 2011 – 3:34 PM .

Peruvian authorities say a study of Joran van der Sloot's laptop shows the Dutch native was lying if, as reported, he said he killed a Peruvian woman because she used the computer to look up information on Natalee Holloway.

Oscar Gonzales, head of the High Technology Crime Division, told The Associated Press that slain Peruvian business student Stephany Flores did not use van der Sloot's laptop to research the Holloway case.

 ::snipping2::

Altez told the AP today that Gonzales was wrong, but the attorney admitted that he has yet to see the police report on the laptop.

"We deny the colonel's claim," Altez told the AP. "We will be presenting our own expert analysis regarding the laptop." He did not specify what it might show.

 ::snipping2::

A spokesman for the FBI's Birmingham, Ala., field office told AOL News that he could neither "confirm nor deny" that it is investigating the contents of the laptop.


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Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2011, 12:09:05 AM
http://www.diario.aw/2011/03/evidencianan-nobo-ta-revela-cu-joran-a-planifica-asesinato-di-stephany-flores/


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 12:17:20 AM
@10PM WestCoast time there is a show on Luringancho prison in Peru on the National Geographic channel..One of the toughest prisons in the world. It warms my heart just a bit. ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 12:30:48 AM
@10PM WestCoast time there is a show on Luringancho prison in Peru on the National Geographic channel..One of the toughest prisons in the world. It warms my heart just a bit. ::MonkeyCool::


"There's about 10,000 prisoners for 3,000 spaces. This and another prison where he's gonna go afterwards, Lurigancho, has dormitories of about 600 prisoners in each. The showers run once a week for 15 minutes. There's only 12 showers. They're in rooms of about 25-by-15 (feet) with about 35 prisoners. About seven or eight sleep on the floor. There's a hole for a toilet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/15/earlyshow/main6583838.shtml


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 12:33:47 AM
@10PM WestCoast time there is a show on Luringancho prison in Peru on the National Geographic channel..One of the toughest prisons in the world. It warms my heart just a bit. ::MonkeyCool::


"There's about 10,000 prisoners for 3,000 spaces. This and another prison where he's gonna go afterwards, Lurigancho, has dormitories of about 600 prisoners in each. The showers run once a week for 15 minutes. There's only 12 showers. They're in rooms of about 25-by-15 (feet) with about 35 prisoners. About seven or eight sleep on the floor. There's a hole for a toilet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/15/earlyshow/main6583838.shtml

"He's gonna probably have to stay in what's called 'the tourist section,' or 'the tourist dorm.' But even prisoners outside can get in there. They shine shoes, they cook for the foreign prisoners. But in this prison, you can get anything -- you can get women, drug, weapons, you can get money. For $50, someone will cut your throat. If the family of this young lady wanted to pay a prisoner there 50 or 100 bucks, they'd be standing in line to cut his throat."
In turn, could van der Sloot's family pay prisoners to protect him?
"No," Griffith said bluntly. "I mean, if they want to get you in this prison, they'll get you. In fact, the day that I was there, I got back to the gate a little bit late and the guard wanted to keep me in overnight. So for a couple of cigarettes, he let me out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/15/earlyshow/main6583838.shtml



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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 12:36:58 AM
As soon as the media starts to fade away, so will Urine. I think they are currently letting this little P.O.S just swing in the wind. The Flores family will handle their business in due time. If it was my daughter I'd give the guards a lifetime supply of their choice of cigarettes to do it myself. Just sayin... ::MonkeyCool::


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Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2011, 01:26:10 AM
(From Josien de Bie's Blog)

http://josienie.wordpress.com/2005/09/20/phil-rant/

Phil rant

Posted on September 20, 2005 by josienie| Leave a comment

I heard from several friends that Dr Phil had said something about visiting Aruba. Advising against it or something..I wasn’t sure.

So just now I remembered that while surfing, and decided to check it out.

And it’s true..Jezus Christ I expected a little more from a man who so clearly has his head so much further out of his ass than most Americans.

Yes I do enjoy watching Dr Phil; he brings some sense to the chaos that is the collective American mind. Explaining why it’s not really a good idea to get married when you just met and are still actually dating your cousin, why it..jee golly..has effects on your kid when you reward bad behavior and that credit card companies aren’t really giving you free money just for being such a swell person.

All well and good, although I wouldn’t want to be in his family. He seems to me to be a very controlling man, who likes things his way and does not appreciate anyone having an opposite opinion. I mean anyone who’s ever looked into the maniacal eyes of his son Jay, must at least suspect that Dr Dad isn’t always the easygoing, okey-dokey guy he is on screen.

But my biggest problem is with some of those not-so-wholesome redneck values he chooses to flaunt. He has been offering tips on his website ‘how to explain your kids about how the war on Irak is okay’ and now he’s actually telling the American public that changing their vacationing destiny will bring Natlee Holloway back!
 

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/575
 

Point one: Aruban officials are doing what they can, believe me. They have a serious grudge against any Dutchman, especially those in high places. I’m sorry, they’re just not that efficient. Impoverishing them by boycotting tourism isn’t going to help anything.

Point two: Hello? Excuse me? Er..lets have a look at America..where practically every day a girl goes missing, and no one even bothers to go look for her, especially if she’s black. Hell, the police will probably give you a hand if she’s giving you any trouble.. And then there’s Aruba. The crime rate in respect to murders and disappearing is so bloody extremely low that some girl, probably most girls, decided it was safe to get drugged of her ass and get in the car with some guys she never met. Try that in New York or Arkansas, same result, but much less fuss, because Hey, ..on Aruba it is actually unusual for bad stuff to happen to you.

It just blows my mind. ‘Hit them in their pocketbooks’ he says. Yay! Money solves everything, we’ve tried throwing money at it and that didn’t work, so impoverishing people should do the trick! And then there’s a bunch of baloney where Natlees mom says she’d seen Joran’s statement that he had sex with Natlee and Phil expresses his amazement that Joran was set free.. Yeah..you know what?..In other parts of the world,..having sex is actually not a crime!..figure that. Amazing huh?

Then again, maybe having sex should be a crime in America, reproduction anyway…

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Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2011, 01:33:13 AM
(From Josien de Bie's Blog)

http://josienie.wordpress.com/page/53/

OMG! The natural bridge collapsed!!

Posted on September 3, 2005 by josienie| 1 Comment

It’s true!
 
http://www.amigoe.com/
 
The end of an era..unbelievable!!
 
For hundreds of years the Natural bridge had been a symbol of Aruba, and a popular tourist attraction. Whenever you walked on it you had the feeling…you know..this thing could go down any minute..and then you’d think..nah, that’s impossible, the natural bridge is rock solid and will surely not collapse from under your feet, it’s just not that kind of bridge..
 
And now it finally happend..not unlogically of course, if the lower side can be carved out by the sea, why not the rest of it?
 
Still, it is shocking, and even I find myself saddend by the loss of our trusty bridge…
 
On a more sarcastic note, my uncle already suggested that that’s were Natlee Holloway will turn up next, right under the natural bridge. And then we can all sit back and watch a bunch of crazy Texans rummaging through the ex-bridge..hey, we might even get them to glue it back together!
I mean, if they pumped the bubali plas empty, who knows what they’ll do.

 
Anyways, This is a sad day for Aruban history, short as it may be.
There have been suggestions of reconstructions or even buiding a regular bridge where the NB used to be..how crazy is that? I think we should get the old NB a statue to remember it by..yeah..Donations are welcome!

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Annemarie | September 12, 2005 at 11:37 am | Reply
Hmmm….Zeggen dat Natalee Holloway onder de gebroken natural bridge ligt is nooit grappig.

(Google translation:  Hmmm .... To say that Natalee Holloway under the natural bridge is broken is never fun.)


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Post by: billb's daughter on March 26, 2011, 02:32:01 AM
As soon as the media starts to fade away, so will Urine. I think they are currently letting this little P.O.S just swing in the wind. The Flores family will handle their business in due time. If it was my daughter I'd give the guards a lifetime supply of their choice of cigarettes to do it myself. Just sayin... ::MonkeyCool::
Keepthefaith....
Always been a fan of your posts...
but gotta say....urine is never started with a capital u.....urine.......That's just who urine is......


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Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2011, 02:55:15 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 03:28:42 AM
As soon as the media starts to fade away, so will Urine. I think they are currently letting this little P.O.S just swing in the wind. The Flores family will handle their business in due time. If it was my daughter I'd give the guards a lifetime supply of their choice of cigarettes to do it myself. Just sayin... ::MonkeyCool::
Keepthefaith....
Always been a fan of your posts...
but gotta say....urine is never started with a capital u.....urine.......That's just who urine is......

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 03:39:48 AM
I'd be curious to know if Paulus ever set up offshore accounts for American companies. After reading about how corporations manipulate the system in order to not pay taxes I find it very plausible that you'd find many companies profits hiding in Aruba, therefor, increasing the likelyhood that Paulus did business with American companies. It'd be even more interesting to know if any of those where with any law firms or hotel companies. ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=2&hp


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Post by: Kermit on March 26, 2011, 04:51:52 AM
I'd be curious to know if Paulus ever set up offshore accounts for American companies. After reading about how corporations manipulate the system in order to not pay taxes I find it very plausible that you'd find many companies profits hiding in Aruba, therefor, increasing the likelyhood that Paulus did business with American companies. It'd be even more interesting to know if any of those where with any law firms or hotel companies. ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=2&hp

From Chapter 1 of Joran's book page 10:

3. non-dutch vacation years were spent mostly in North America (Arizona, Utah, Colorado, camper vanning, disney world, camper vanning through Canada, favorite town Vancouver)


What are the odds?

Utah Jazz major monetary contributor:

Frank L van der Sloot




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Post by: Sharon/Tx on March 26, 2011, 05:55:38 AM
"The police can't determine the exact time when Stephany was killed. She was in the room for three days ... Joran didn't mean to kill this woman," said Altez.
Edit:  add link.  MB http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/03/25/peru.van.der.sloot/

:::::::::::::::::rolling up pant legs:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Oh, and he didn't mean to beat up his brother, kill his dog, or hurt Natalee either............... Where's the shovel?  It's getting deep!   ::MonkeyShovel::

What goes around comes around, Joran.  I hope every day is worse than the day before for urine.  Take care Monkeys!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 10:37:07 AM
The truth?  Was the computer active or not during those crucial hours?

Janet

++++

Source: Van der Sloot lied about laptop use in killing
March 26, 2011 -- Updated 0335 GMT (1135 HKT)


(CNN) -- The laptop belonging to Joran Van der Sloot was turned off the night he is suspected of having killed a young Peruvian woman in Lima, suggesting he lied to investigators when he said he attacked her after she read an e-mail on his computer connecting him to missing American teenager, Natalee Holloway, a source said Friday.

<snipped>

A police official, meanwhile, said the computer was active, but that nothing done or received during the time period in question would suggest Flores saw information linking Van der Sloot to Holloway. The official, connected to the case, was not authorized to speak publicly about it.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/americas/03/25/peru.van.der.sloot/



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Post by: Red on March 26, 2011, 01:15:18 PM
Murder of Stephany Flores in Peru: Joran Van der Sloot Lying Again … Laptop Study Shows that Searches on Natalee Holloway Much Earlier in the Day

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/03/26/murder-of-stephany-flores-in-peru-joran-van-der-sloot-lying-again-laptop-study-shows-that-searches-on-natalee-holloway-much-earlier-in-the-day/

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LIAR … LIAR!!! THIS COMES AS A SURPRISE TO NO ONE …

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and acts like a duck, guess what … it just might be a pathological, lying, murderous sociopath.

What a shock, dateline Peru … Joran van der Sloot is lying again when it comes to the murder of a girl. Like we have not seen this act play out all too numerous times in the past. Now Van der Sloot, the Dutch Sporter is lying to save his bacon in Peru in the death of Stephany Flores. Van der Sloot has claims that he murdered Flores in a fit of passion and rage after discovering that she had violated his privacy and has looking up information on his laptop in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba.


Joran Van der Sloot lying again ... say it isn't so. Can we just lock him away and throw away the key!


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 01:18:12 PM



November 19, 2008:

BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html



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Post by: Blonde on March 26, 2011, 01:53:20 PM
New Evidence JVDS Planned The Murder Of Stephany Flores
Van der Sloot had planned the murder of Stephanie Flores

After reviewing the laptop of Dutch experts broke up version of his defense stating that he had killed the girl by violent emotion Thursday March 24, 2011 - 01:10 pm


New evidence in the case of Van der Sloot would point to the Dutch citizen would have planned the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010.

After a thorough investigation of the laptop hard drive of Joran van der Sloot by computer experts, where they checked their emails sent and received, web pages viewed, financial transactions and even deleted files from 29 May and 4 June 2010, determined that the Dutch had lied to justice.

 ::snipping2::
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/732371/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-habria-planificado-asesinato-stephany-flores


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 02:44:09 PM
I'd be curious to know if Paulus ever set up offshore accounts for American companies. After reading about how corporations manipulate the system in order to not pay taxes I find it very plausible that you'd find many companies profits hiding in Aruba, therefor, increasing the likelyhood that Paulus did business with American companies. It'd be even more interesting to know if any of those where with any law firms or hotel companies. ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=2&hp

From Chapter 1 of Joran's book page 10:

3. non-dutch vacation years were spent mostly in North America (Arizona, Utah, Colorado, camper vanning, disney world, camper vanning through Canada, favorite town Vancouver)


What are the odds?

Utah Jazz major monetary contributor:

Frank L van der Sloot




Interesting stuff Kermit. What are the possibilities that PVDS did business with de.fense c. ontractors from our country?



Of the total offshore subsidiaries, about 200 were located in tax haven financial or privacy jurisdictions such as Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland, or Luxembourg. Publicly traded defense contractors increased their combined use of foreign subsidiaries by 26 percent from 2003 through 2008. Of these new subsidiaries, most were located in the United Kingdom and Canada, while the largest rate of growth was in the British Virgin Islands and Aruba. See table 1 for more information on the top 25 defense contractor subsidiaries.


http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10327.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 02:48:25 PM
I'd be curious to know if Paulus ever set up offshore accounts for American companies. After reading about how corporations manipulate the system in order to not pay taxes I find it very plausible that you'd find many companies profits hiding in Aruba, therefor, increasing the likelyhood that Paulus did business with American companies. It'd be even more interesting to know if any of those where with any law firms or hotel companies. ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=2&hp

From Chapter 1 of Joran's book page 10:

3. non-dutch vacation years were spent mostly in North America (Arizona, Utah, Colorado, camper vanning, disney world, camper vanning through Canada, favorite town Vancouver)


What are the odds?

Utah Jazz major monetary contributor:

Frank L van der Sloot




Interesting stuff Kermit. What are the possibilities that PVDS did business with de.fense c. ontractors from our country?



Of the total offshore subsidiaries, about 200 were located in tax haven financial or privacy jurisdictions such as Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland, or Luxembourg. Publicly traded defense contractors increased their combined use of foreign subsidiaries by 26 percent from 2003 through 2008. Of these new subsidiaries, most were located in the United Kingdom and Canada, while the largest rate of growth was in the British Virgin Islands and Aruba. See table 1 for more information on the top 25 defense contractor subsidiaries.


http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10327.pdf


In one case, a defense contractor explained that it created a subsidiary in the Netherlands to hire local nationals in order to win a contract with the Dutch government.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
New Evidence JVDS Planned The Murder Of Stephany Flores
Van der Sloot had planned the murder of Stephanie Flores

After reviewing the laptop of Dutch experts broke up version of his defense stating that he had killed the girl by violent emotion Thursday March 24, 2011 - 01:10 pm


New evidence in the case of Van der Sloot would point to the Dutch citizen would have planned the murder of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores on May 30, 2010.

After a thorough investigation of the laptop hard drive of Joran van der Sloot by computer experts, where they checked their emails sent and received, web pages viewed, financial transactions and even deleted files from 29 May and 4 June 2010, determined that the Dutch had lied to justice.

 ::snipping2::
http://elcomercio.pe/lima/732371/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-habria-planificado-asesinato-stephany-flores


I have a hinky feeling that there will be negotiations happening behind the scenes between the Peruvian Judicial and Aruban/Dutch "powers that be".

For now Joran has holds the Ace in the card game.

If Joran is forced to served 30 years in a Peruvian lockup ... Aruba and Holland realize that he is not going to keep his mouth shut.  Joran will expose those who have knowledge and/or participated in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those who have knowledge and participated in the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

The implications are far reaching.  Aruba/Holland's dirty little secrets encompassing respective underground economies will be exposed if Joran feels betrayed.  In a "rage" ... he take "passionate" action and reveal all.  In other words the Aruban/Dutch house of cards will collapse.

Janet

+++++


No Grounds to Release

NANCY GRACE
Aired September 13, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html


The Hague?

On the Record w/ Greta  - November 14, 2005

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: They are saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ... it has to be.

<snipped>

Transcript Credit: Heli
Refugees Unleased


 


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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 03:03:25 PM
No Justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm Done.

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 182 - September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened.  "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1.  And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days.  But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there."  The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 185 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 03:20:56 PM
After watching the episode on the worlds toughest prisons which showcased Lurigancho prison in Peru, I don't think the urinator is having as great of a time as some may think. Living like a king in castrocastro is like being the king of a colony of rats. After watching the program last night I don't think urine yields much power unless if he is paying people off, either with the continuous flow of money, and or sex. Horrible visual I know, but he isn't sitting as easily as some pretend. Catch my drift Aruba...Unless if his family chooses to go broke trying to keep the urinator alive, his demise will come soon enough. I'm sure the Flores family are a very intelligent and smart bunch of people.



“The two most powerful warriors are patience and time.”


Tolstoy


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Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 04:39:05 PM
LIFESONG



::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyDance::


That Monkey on the bottom is one strong sucker!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 26, 2011, 04:51:21 PM

Tamikosmom (Janet) says:

"I have a hinky feeling that there will be negotiations happening behind the scenes between the Peruvian Judicial and Aruban/Dutch "powers that be".

For now Joran has holds the Ace in the card game.

If Joran is forced to served 30 years in a Peruvian lockup ... Aruba and Holland realize that he is not going to keep his mouth shut.  Joran will expose those who have knowledge and/or participated in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those who have knowledge and participated in the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

The implications are far reaching.  Aruba/Holland's dirty little secrets encompassing respective underground economies will be exposed if Joran feels betrayed.  In a "rage" ... he take "passionate" action and reveal all.  In other words the Aruban/Dutch house of cards will collapse.

Janet"

Janet, what do you think the outcome will be?

To the Monkey Family=== we have been together, soon for 6 years, and we will be together for the Justice for Natalee no matter how it comes out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 26, 2011, 05:00:39 PM
IMHO Kermit, the claws of Paulus run very deep. He knew the dirt on everyone, IMO, since I think he was very dirty in his dealings, once the coverup but at the same time the Tourism Council has to take responsibility for the cause and affect from the actions they have done to "protect" tourism, which backfired in their face!

Sure glad to read everything you and other Monkeys post here, making me a better person. Some things I wouldn't have asked to learn but are important now in the scheme of life. Hope that came out the way I wished! Love, IBE

going to blinkoncrime.com Red's sister site and will be back in a minute


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Post by: Lifesong on March 26, 2011, 05:33:43 PM

Hi Monkeys!

This laptop news is like a sigh of relief to me.  We all knew she wasn't nosing around on his laptop.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

What's the latest on the dr. phil trial?  Don't we have some dates coming up?


KTF!    ::MonkeyBike::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 05:46:53 PM
Hi IBE

If negotiations with the Peruvian Justice System fail ... negotiations that will permit Joran van der Sloot to return to Netherlands/Aruba to serve his his sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores ... I believe that the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" will put out a hit on Joran while he is in the Peruvian lockup.

Joran is a liability.  He has too much knowledge and ... is unreliable.  The truth could spew out of his month in his next "confession" and ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards built on the premise that justice would not prevail for Natalee Holloway will come tumbling down and ... all the Corruption in Paradise participants and underground economies would be exposed.

Think about it.  There had to be reasons that underage Joran was afforded VIP privileges in the casinos and clubs of Aruba.  There had to be reasons that underage Joran was afforded the freedom to gamble, drink and pick up tourist girls in the casinos and clubs of Aruba.

IMO

Janet

+++++

Posted on Sun, Aug. 15, 2010
Kevin Riordan: Aruba suspect a poker 'punk' to Glouco man


<snipped>

Biebel's 2005 confrontation with the "Dutch playboy" was captured by security cameras at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa.
 
<snipped>

"You could sense he was a coddled punk, and to tell you the truth, the casino coddled him as well. I had played with him for four or five hours the night before, and he was constantly getting away with stuff."

<snipped>

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20100815_Kevin_Riordan__Mullica_Hill_man_knew_Aruba_murder_suspect_as_poker-playing__punk_.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 26, 2011, 06:05:24 PM
Hi IBE

If negotiations with the Peruvian Justice System fail ... negotiations that will permit Joran van der Sloot to return to Netherlands/Aruba to serve his his sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores ... I believe that the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" will put out a hit on Joran while he is in the Peruvian lockup.

Joran is a liability.  He has too much knowledge and ... is unreliable.  The truth could spew out of his month in his next "confession" and ... the Aruban/Dutch house of cards built on the premise that justice would not prevail for Natalee Holloway will come tumbling down and ... all the Corruption in Paradise participants and underground economies would be exposed.

Think about it.  There had to be reasons that underage Joran was afforded VIP privileges in the casinos and clubs of Aruba.  There had to be reasons that underage Joran was afforded the freedom to gamble, drink and pick up tourist girls in the casinos and clubs of Aruba.

IMO

Janet

+++++

Posted on Sun, Aug. 15, 2010
Kevin Riordan: Aruba suspect a poker 'punk' to Glouco man


<snipped>

Biebel's 2005 confrontation with the "Dutch playboy" was captured by security cameras at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa.
 
<snipped>

"You could sense he was a coddled punk, and to tell you the truth, the casino coddled him as well. I had played with him for four or five hours the night before, and he was constantly getting away with stuff."

<snipped>

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20100815_Kevin_Riordan__Mullica_Hill_man_knew_Aruba_murder_suspect_as_poker-playing__punk_.html


Yes, Thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 26, 2011, 06:14:07 PM
Peru has nothing to do with Aruba or the Dutch. There are no "powers that be" that have any sway in Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 26, 2011, 06:21:17 PM
https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp (https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp)

03/23/2011 Opposition Document (TO PLAINTIFF'S EX PARTE APPLICATION )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

03/23/2011 Ex-Parte Application (FOR ORDER SHORTENING TIME ON AND ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIFFS' MOTION TO CONTINUE DEFT. MSJ )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner  DENIED - SEE MINUTE ORDER BELOW


Minute Order filed by the court:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5562502848_79a74bc5e6_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 26, 2011, 06:22:37 PM

Hi Monkeys!

This laptop news is like a sigh of relief to me.  We all knew she wasn't nosing around on his laptop.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

What's the latest on the dr. phil trial?  Don't we have some dates coming up?


KTF!    ::MonkeyBike::

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Hi Lifesong!

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment


06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 06:31:54 PM
Peru has nothing to do with Aruba or the Dutch. There are no "powers that be" that have any sway in Peru.

I have a Canadian source who I have been in contact with since the arrest of Joran van der Sloot.  This young man lives on the outskirts of Lima.  He has learned that bribes talk in the Peruvian Justice System from the bribing of a police officer to avoid a traffic citation right up to the bribing a judge to sway the outcome in a criminal trial.

I could be wrong in my speculations.  Time will tell.

Janet

++++++


Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'


November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 26, 2011, 06:40:46 PM

Hi Monkeys!

This laptop news is like a sigh of relief to me.  We all knew she wasn't nosing around on his laptop.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

What's the latest on the dr. phil trial?  Don't we have some dates coming up?


KTF!    ::MonkeyBike::

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 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 26, 2011, 06:54:27 PM
Peru has nothing to do with Aruba or the Dutch. There are no "powers that be" that have any sway in Peru.

I have a Canadian source who I have been in contact with since the arrest of Joran van der Sloot.  This young man lives on the outskirts of Lima.  He has learned that bribes talk in the Peruvian Justice System from the bribing of a police officer to avoid a traffic citation right up to the bribing a judge to sway the outcome in a criminal trial.

I could be wrong in my speculations.  Time will tell.

Janet

++++++


Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'


November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


I think the Flores family has both, more money and sway than anyone in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 07:17:31 PM
Peru has nothing to do with Aruba or the Dutch. There are no "powers that be" that have any sway in Peru.

I have a Canadian source who I have been in contact with since the arrest of Joran van der Sloot.  This young man lives on the outskirts of Lima.  He has learned that bribes talk in the Peruvian Justice System from the bribing of a police officer to avoid a traffic citation right up to the bribing a judge to sway the outcome in a criminal trial.

I could be wrong in my speculations.  Time will tell.

Janet

++++++


Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'


November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


I think the Flores family has both, more money and sway than anyone in Aruba.

You could be right.

I hope this feeling that I cannot shake is wrong ... this feeling that tells me that following a ruling by a Peruvian judge in the Stephany Flores case ... Joran is going to be returned to Holland/Aruba where he will be confined to a prison or mental facility.

I want so badly for Joran to rot in a Peruvian lockup for the next 30 years.  The implication is that life for Joran would be H--- ... justice will have prevailed for Stephany and ... in a roundabout way for Natalee and ... other Natalees and Stephanys will not be at risk.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
Everybody watch out there is a Bee flying around..... ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 26, 2011, 07:22:44 PM
From Peru to the USA..The urinator ain't goin nowhere.. ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 26, 2011, 10:49:19 PM
Was looking up a friend from years ago in Lima and found this link:
Edit to add link.  MB http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D
Radio Netherlands Worldwide

“Van der Sloot went on gambling after murder”
Published on 25 March 2011 - 6:15pm

The comment section is quite interesting: about Joran's computer files and the time of them


Oh, gads, how do I post a link? Help??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 26, 2011, 10:50:35 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D (http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/%E2%80%9Cvan-der-sloot-went-gambling-after-murder%E2%80%9D)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 26, 2011, 10:52:48 PM
Thanks, guys, I just remember my html but now see there is a link in the icon section...maybe should hava a Senior Moment icon? ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 26, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
"remembered" not "remember" oh hecky durn anyway. Time for a time out and some food!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 26, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
IBE ... you were my of ray of sunshine today.  Thank you.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Tamikosmom's Expectations - 2011

1.  The outcome of the Kalpoes defamation lawsuit.
2.  The outcome of the Stephany Flores case.
3.  The Lifetime movie sequel Justice for Natalee Holloway.
4.  Ten episode Lifetime reality series of Vanished with Beth Holloway.
5.  The Persistence Betrayal revealed.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on March 26, 2011, 11:32:16 PM
http://www.livinginperu.com/news/14500

Peru, Van der Sloot: Hard drive evidence suggests murder was premeditated
Quote
However, after technical studies, it was determined that the pages related to Holloway’s death had been viewed on Saturday, May 29, between 1:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m.,


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 01:26:54 AM
I'm waiting BillB...... ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 27, 2011, 01:29:18 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 01:30:12 AM
Man shoots his wife in the neck, and if I understand correctly her father was assaulted with a baseball bat.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.diario.aw/2011/03/conocido-blau-a-tira-su-casa-den-garganta/

Papiamentu translation:

conocido “blau” owing to throw (shoot) his casa in throat

publication: saturday, 26 march 2011.

categoria: general

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/blauw1-150x150.jpg)
juan i. quant.

(http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/blauw2-150x150.jpg)
chaldira i. quant.

 —breaking news—

oranjestad (aan): saturday nightfall, bisiñanan owing to see family quant just hour cu they owing to arrive for of one day of placer at de palm island. they owing to enter inside, but was bisto cu algo do not good. one some after the conocido “blau”, owing to worde see is leave for of the cas y owing to ranca careda bay of eynan. past owing to return after y in one discusion pisa owing to saca one arm of candela, y dispara minimo once on his casa, y this owing to perfora his throat.

daily paper owing to come achieve know of fuentenan, cu the quarrel owing to start of nightfall end at de palm island. here the conocido “blau”, that is he juan j. quant of 34 year, naci at aruba was march cu his zwembroek color black on the island, y apparently owing to achieve one discusion cu his wife, esta chaldira i. quant-vis of 31 year of edad.

the discusion not owing to end eynan, y owing to desemboca till at they cas, esta at pavilla 51-d.

one rato first cu blau owing to return cas, can owing to see the lady together cu his child diminutive in pickup color blauw. had indicacion cu the lady owing to fada of the situation y wanted bandona the hogar. but some minuut after, the discusion owing to empeora y dado instant one arm owing to worde saca, y three tiro (shots) owing to worde listen. this owing to socede algo first cu 8:00 p.m.

the father of chaldira that was eynan, also owing to bay interveni. the if not owing to achieve disparo, but if owing to worde maltrata door of blau cu one bate of baseball.

esnan cu owing to hear tiro, owing to core notifica police. unidadnan of police owing to mobiliza cu urgencia for her adres, while cu centro of alarma owing to place two unidad of ambulance mobiliza for her area.

several police on brommer also owing to arrive! they all owing to actua rapido for so detene he blau, that is one trahador of the plant of water y electricidad.

paramediconan owing to work at once for stabiliza the patient, but this was dificil because; cu the was lose blood y is bayendo in shock. here owing to dicidi cu have to bay at once for cirugia for so close the vein. cu sumo urgencia, y bao escolta of brommernan of police, owing to open all rotonde of paradera, tanki leendert, tanki flip, y sasaki for so unidadnan of ambulance can arrive rapido. the another ambulance owing to transporta the father, that owing to stay maltrata cu the bate of baseball.

at hospital at once the lady chaldira owing to worde happen for sitting-room of operacion, where till still ciruhanonan is trahando for stop the blood cu is bashando profusamente.

on the fotonan here, saca at 2010, can see tanto “blau” because; his wife chaldira in carnaval. 

::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 27, 2011, 01:30:40 AM
I'm waiting BillB...... ::HelloKitty::
urinator..I like it.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 01:34:43 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 01:36:13 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.

OK Bill. Give me a minute and I'll do it for you.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 01:38:27 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.

OK Bill. Give me a minute and I'll do it for you.  ::MonkeyTongue::

A short clip here, but I will try to find the entire episode link if they have it up.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Videos/06015_00


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 01:38:58 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29392-dokter-a-saca-dos-bala-caba-di-chaldira-vis-y-e-tin-sangramento-interno.html

Papiamentu translation:

doctor owing to saca two ball end of chaldira vis y the have sangramento inner

sunday, 27 march 2011 00:17

ultimo update in the tiramento of chaldira vis casa cu juan junior quandt employee of web, conoci because; blauw, is will siguiente: for of instant cu ambulance owing to leave cu ne for hospital had dokternan sperando on his arrival. owing to work at once cu ne y owing to hib'e in sitting-room of operacion. the profesionalnan medico of servicio of emergencia y dokternan at hospital owing to work duro for as at life. in sitting-room of operacion till cu mey night owing to succeed saca assure two ball end for of curpa of chaldira vis. all cos is show cu the have more tiro in his curpa. blauw owing to tir'e for kill. so self have some contra tiempo cu is cause cierto complicacion for salud of the victima. the victima have sangramento inner owing to consecuencia of the tironan cu past owing to achieve.  ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.

OK Bill. Give me a minute and I'll do it for you.  ::MonkeyTongue::

A short clip here, but I will try to find the entire episode link if they have it up.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Videos/06015_00

100 guards for 10'000 inmates at Luringancho. The prisoners run the prison. No joke.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 27, 2011, 01:50:41 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.

OK Bill. Give me a minute and I'll do it for you.  ::MonkeyTongue::

A short clip here, but I will try to find the entire episode link if they have it up.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Videos/06015_00

100 guards for 10'000 inmates at Luringancho. The prisoners run the prison. No joke.
Point being...still in prison...one of the worst in the world...Peruvian prison....Stephany's Dad will ensure urine will never leave alive......
until then...let the king of toast experience all the the prison system offers....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 01:55:28 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.

OK Bill. Give me a minute and I'll do it for you.  ::MonkeyTongue::

A short clip here, but I will try to find the entire episode link if they have it up.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Videos/06015_00

100 guards for 10'000 inmates at Luringancho. The prisoners run the prison. No joke.
Point being...still in prison...one of the worst in the world...Peruvian prison....Stephany's Dad will ensure urine will never leave alive......
until then...let the king of toast experience all the the prison system offers....

Exactly my point. If the urinator is having to pay to keep himself alive at this juncture, those keeping him alive will use him till the money runs dry, or when a bigger pay day comes in and do what needs to be done. Unless the Dutch govt. is funneling him enough money it won't be long after the trial and the lights fade away. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 27, 2011, 02:01:28 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.

OK Bill. Give me a minute and I'll do it for you.  ::MonkeyTongue::

A short clip here, but I will try to find the entire episode link if they have it up.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Videos/06015_00

100 guards for 10'000 inmates at Luringancho. The prisoners run the prison. No joke.
Point being...still in prison...one of the worst in the world...Peruvian prison....Stephany's Dad will ensure urine will never leave alive......
until then...let the king of toast experience all the the prison system offers....

Exactly my point. If the urinator is having to pay to keep himself alive at this juncture, those keeping him alive will use him till the money runs dry, or when a bigger pay day comes in and do what needs to be done. Unless the Dutch govt. is funneling him enough money it won't be long after the trial and the lights fade away. ::MonkeyCool::
End of urine days......I am right there with you Keepthefaith....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 27, 2011, 02:05:06 AM
billb, Keepthefaith, texasmom, Sleuth, ladydi and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Good night Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 02:12:00 AM
billb, Keepthefaith, texasmom, Sleuth, ladydi and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.
Good night Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::

Goodnight Billb... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 27, 2011, 02:14:15 AM
From Peru to the USA..The urinator ain't goin nowhere.. ::monkeywine2::
I agree -- urine is a "dead man waking".


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 02:24:50 AM
From Peru to the USA..The urinator ain't goin nowhere.. ::monkeywine2::
I agree -- urine is a "dead man waking".

If you get a chance Wreck watch that episode on the National Geographic channel about Lurigancho. They really break it down how the prisoners break their communities down into pavilions based on what neighborhoods, or districts they came from on the outside. Each pavilion has security guards to make sure their pavilions are protected. Water doesn't run half the time and some outcasts have to rummage through garbage for food. It's not a pleasant scene. The urinator is only being protected currently by the govt of Peru as it would look bad to do him in so quick, money that is being funneled in for the time being might also be helping, but as an outsider how much money are you willing to pay to keep him alive? If I was in prison and extorting the urinator the price would continue to jump... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 02:37:40 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 27, 2011, 10:52:08 AM
The only thing urine is king of is toast.......urine is toast...
long live the king of toast in a hell called Peru prison.......
Everyday he lives in hell...is payback to Natalee and Stephany.....

You should pull up the episode of luringancho prison on the National Geographic website. Search the toughest prisons in the world. I don't think there is a soul in the world that would want to live as the king of castro castro.

OK Bill. Give me a minute and I'll do it for you.  ::MonkeyTongue::

A short clip here, but I will try to find the entire episode link if they have it up.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/inside/3144/Photos#tab-Videos/06015_00

100 guards for 10'000 inmates at Luringancho. The prisoners run the prison. No joke.

Ricardo Flores is aware of the reality.  There are prisoners and ... then there are prisoners.  Joran appears to fall into the latter category.

Janet

++++++



Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'


November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 27, 2011, 12:43:55 PM
Janet. When you get a chance please watch the episode about Lurigancho prison on National Geographic. It gives you a detailed look at how that prison is ran by the prisoners and I'll tell you NO foreigner is king of the prison. Even those who are at the top of the food chain live a deplorable existence and no, that isn't enough retribution for me me, but his will come. I understand what Mr. Flores is saying. At the current time it is in all the urinator hater's best interest to just relax and let some time pass and let the trial down in Peru fade a little bit. There are way too many greedy criminals that will want a piece of the urinator's action. Which means either extorting him, pimping him, or finally ending his existence. There is way to much action on the urinator's demise for him too last long. I understand at the moment froma political and diplomatic standpoint it doesn't make sense for Peru too throw him to the wolves just yet. It will happen in time.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on March 27, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
Hi Lifesong!

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment


06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

Thanks, Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 27, 2011, 01:34:23 PM
From Peru to the USA..The urinator ain't goin nowhere.. ::monkeywine2::
I agree -- urine is a "dead man waking".

If you get a chance Wreck watch that episode on the National Geographic channel about Lurigancho. They really break it down how the prisoners break their communities down into pavilions based on what neighborhoods, or districts they came from on the outside. Each pavilion has security guards to make sure their pavilions are protected. Water doesn't run half the time and some outcasts have to rummage through garbage for food. It's not a pleasant scene. The urinator is only being protected currently by the govt of Peru as it would look bad to do him in so quick, money that is being funneled in for the time being might also be helping, but as an outsider how much money are you willing to pay to keep him alive? If I was in prison and extorting the urinator the price would continue to jump... ::MonkeyHaHa::
I've seen it. It was on several months ago (right after "urine's" arrest!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
(http://www.bucuticam.com/arubacam.jpg)

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 27, 2011, 02:19:14 PM
From Peru to the USA..The urinator ain't goin nowhere.. ::monkeywine2::
I agree -- urine is a "dead man waking".
Yep...and at some point he won't be waking anymore..


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 04:10:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbIuOHU90A

Real Reason Joran Did It! (Both murders - same reason)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vRSH84cmw4

Joran Van Der Sloot Confessed
 ::snipping2::
Aruba should have done their JOB.
Stephany would be alive........
Because of Joran van der Sloot at least two women are dead.
Aruba is ruined because they covered up a murder.
 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbIuOHU90A

Real Reason Joran Did It! (Both murders - same reason)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vRSH84cmw4

Joran Van Der Sloot Confessed
 ::snipping2::
Aruba should have done their JOB.
Stephany would be alive........
Because of Joran van der Sloot at least two women are dead.
Aruba is ruined because they covered up a murder.
 ::snipping2::




Yep  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 05:33:15 PM
http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/29402-problemanan-di-qhot-zoneq-afectando-nos-turismo.html

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.maart.mart27.pelea_chino_latino.front.JPG)

problemanan of "hot zone" afectando we turism

sunday, 27 march 2011 15:26

today marduga owing to cuminsa one action of are fast chino latin, situa just fast hotelnan high rise. at dado instant the are of polisnan motorisa owing to arrive at the sitio y the are of bringadonan owing to leave at careda. police owing to follow at least one of they, cu owing to enter in radisson resort y owing to stay deteni in door of the hotel turistico. this self is the type of situacionnan cu ahata in pasado owing to arrive of alerta gobierno of dje. is feel cu neither gobierno but neither cuerpo policial is haciendo sufficient for evita cu action, prostitucion y bendemento of drugs in form publico is bay afecta we turism directamente.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 27, 2011, 06:36:05 PM
We all knew that it was way too much of a coincidence that Joran killed again on the 5th anniversary of him killing Natalee. Even though I knew, it still hits me hard to see it in tangible evidence.

Aruba is guilty of Stephany's death right along with him.

How do they sleep at night?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's hard to sleep with your feet in your mouth.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 09:08:14 PM
This another suicide attempt?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6737&offId=0


AMBULANS A HIBA UN DETENIDO CU A PURBA HORCA SU CURPA NA WARDA DI PLAYA PA HOSPITAL, TA TRATA E SOSPECHOSO CU A TIRA SU MESUN CASA NA PAVILLA E DIA ANTERIOR

Ultimo ora Blauw a trata di comete suicidio den cel na warda di polis na Oranjestad door di horca su curpa. Polis a bin haye na tempo y a solicita ambulance pa asina transporte cu urgencia pa hospital.

MAS INFORMACION Y VIDEO


Thru translator:

ambulance owing to take away one detenido cu owing to try horca his curpa at keep of beach for hospital, is deal the sospechoso cu owing to throw his same casa at pavilla the day anterior ultimo hour blauw owing to deal of comete suicidio in cel at keep of police at oranjestad door of horca his curpa. police owing to come haye at time y owing to solicita ambulance for so transporte cu urgencia for hospital. more informacion y video

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6737/3_1301271303.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 09:11:33 PM
Not sure, this could be the same one TM posted above:

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6735&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

DAMA TURISTA A KITA CAY DILANTI FASTFOOD RESTAURANT NA PALM BEACH

Diadomingo mainta un dama turista a trompica y a dal abao net na e entrada di un fastfood restaurant na Palm Beach ela haya bastante sla na su cara.


Thru translator:

lady tourist owing to less cay fast fastfood restaurant at palm beach diadomingo morning one lady tourist owing to trompica y owing to strike abao just at the entrance of one fastfood restaurant at palm beach ela achieve enough sla at his cara.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6735/2_1301264401.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 09:30:00 PM
This another suicide attempt?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6737&offId=0


AMBULANS A HIBA UN DETENIDO CU A PURBA HORCA SU CURPA NA WARDA DI PLAYA PA HOSPITAL, TA TRATA E SOSPECHOSO CU A TIRA SU MESUN CASA NA PAVILLA E DIA ANTERIOR

Ultimo ora Blauw a trata di comete suicidio den cel na warda di polis na Oranjestad door di horca su curpa. Polis a bin haye na tempo y a solicita ambulance pa asina transporte cu urgencia pa hospital.

MAS INFORMACION Y VIDEO


Thru translator:

ambulance owing to take away one detenido cu owing to try horca his curpa at keep of beach for hospital, is deal the sospechoso cu owing to throw his same casa at pavilla the day anterior ultimo hour blauw owing to deal of comete suicidio in cel at keep of police at oranjestad door of horca his curpa. police owing to come haye at time y owing to solicita ambulance for so transporte cu urgencia for hospital. more informacion y video

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6737/3_1301271303.jpg)



That's the guy that shot his wife three times last night.  I posted about it late last night.  He works for W.E.B. also.  The last I read she was being taken to Colombia in critical condition. 

I'm not surprised at all that he tried to kill himself, I was expecting it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 09:32:56 PM
The couple have a young son, I'm guessing around 8-10 years old.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
This another suicide attempt?

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6737&offId=0


AMBULANS A HIBA UN DETENIDO CU A PURBA HORCA SU CURPA NA WARDA DI PLAYA PA HOSPITAL, TA TRATA E SOSPECHOSO CU A TIRA SU MESUN CASA NA PAVILLA E DIA ANTERIOR

Ultimo ora Blauw a trata di comete suicidio den cel na warda di polis na Oranjestad door di horca su curpa. Polis a bin haye na tempo y a solicita ambulance pa asina transporte cu urgencia pa hospital.

MAS INFORMACION Y VIDEO


Thru translator:

ambulance owing to take away one detenido cu owing to try horca his curpa at keep of beach for hospital, is deal the sospechoso cu owing to throw his same casa at pavilla the day anterior ultimo hour blauw owing to deal of comete suicidio in cel at keep of police at oranjestad door of horca his curpa. police owing to come haye at time y owing to solicita ambulance for so transporte cu urgencia for hospital. more informacion y video

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6737/3_1301271303.jpg)



That's the guy that shot his wife three times last night.  I posted about it late last night.  He works for W.E.B. also.  The last I read she was being taken to Colombia in critical condition. 

I'm not surprised at all that he tried to kill himself, I was expecting it.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Edit to add link:

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6734&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

3 hora pasa | Fecha: 27/03/2011 | Horario: 17:56
VICTIMA DI TIRAMENTO A SER MANDA URGENTEMENTE CU AIR AMBULANS PA COLOMBIA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 09:43:38 PM
Geez, Aruba sucks


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 09:54:35 PM
TM - what happened to these two?  Was this the car accident yesterday?

http://www.diario.aw/2011/03/conocido-blau-a-tira-su-casa-den-garganta/

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6730&offId=0&offDate=2011-3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 10:05:32 PM
TM - what happened to these two?  Was this the car accident yesterday?

http://www.diario.aw/2011/03/conocido-blau-a-tira-su-casa-den-garganta/

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6730&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

http://www.diario.aw/2011/03/conocido-blau-a-tira-su-casa-den-garganta/

This is the one I posted last night, young couple he is 34...she is 31.  Rocky relationship lots of fighting, police called to their home often.  Argument started yesterday at De Palm Island (I think it was a gathering of W.E.B. families) and continued after they got home.  He left, came back with a gun (revolver) and shot her three times (I've read once in the head, once in the neck, and another shot to the body..all of the articles have noted the shot to the neck.).  Her father tried to intervene at some time during the arguing and the guy (nicknamed Blau...Blauw) assaulted him with a baseball bat.

The guy seemed to be known as an abuser,  jmo from what I've read.

Just my opinion but from some of the pictures I've seen on myspace, I wonder if he was on steroids.

http://www.myspace.com/chaldira/photos



http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6730&offId=0&offDate=2011-3
This one was a car accident early this morning, it looked like they got the woman out.  I wasn't sure if she was the only one in the vehicle or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 10:11:58 PM
http://www.myspace.com/chaldira/photos/39007721#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A39007721%7D

"Blauw" is in the middle

(http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/148/ef9e977001a949e3a31c2aa7a42ca649/l.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 27, 2011, 10:21:00 PM
I see what you mean, very sad.  So she is critical and on her way to Columbia for treatment and he tried to kill himself last night.  Looking at his photo going into the ambulance, he's not buff like he used to be. 

I agree about the possible steroids. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 27, 2011, 10:38:02 PM
I see what you mean, very sad.  So she is critical and on her way to Columbia for treatment and he tried to kill himself last night.  Looking at his photo going into the ambulance, he's not buff like he used to be. 

I agree about the possible steroids. 



I read at boletinextra.com that their son is 10 years old.  Sad. ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/7008-blauw-tin-basta-dia-caba-ta-menasa-su-casa.html

There was also mention of an incident where Blauw posted a picture of a Docente (teacher) on the internet.  I remember a case like that a while back, but I'm not sure if it's the same one. 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29388-blauw-famoso-pa-problema-cu-muhernan.html

Papiamentu translation:

blauw famous for problem cu muhernan

saturday, 26 march 2011 21:41

he juan junio quant, conoci because; "blauw" sospecha of owing to comete the crimen tirando his casa, is enough famous in the seno female. mucho like assure the not was. at more cu ocasion the is being menciona in casonan agresion contra muher. some year happen past owing to come in news end hour cu one photograph cu past owing to saca of one docente owing to plama on internet. the docente here was his pareha the time ey. now his agresion owing to bay one pace more far. past owing to throw for his casa cu intencion for mat'e. now past owing to deteni y have to bay give cuenta.

::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 12:24:14 AM
This says he'd hung himself with his boxer shorts.  They were able to revive him, and he's still in the hospital.  They are saying that the shooting of his wife was premeditated.  He'd planned to kill her and then kill himself, the report says that he told their son that he wouldn't see his mother or father again.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/29433-cu-boxer-short-blauw-a-purba-horca-y-awor-ta-keda-interna-den-hospital.html

cu boxer short blauw owing to try horca y now is stay interna in hospital

sunday, 27 march 2011 23:55

the ultimo informacion on situation of blauw is cu past owing to stay interna at dr horacio oduber hospital after of owing to try kill his curpa at keep of police. was polisnan cu owing to work cune pendiente the arrive of ambulance. saturday night after cu blauw owing to comete his acto past owing to stay deteni. police was have informacion cu the wanted owing to kill curpa. the acto cometi was premedita because past owing to let know cu the will kill his casa y djey kill his curpa. till even the will owing to tell the child anteriormente cu the will not go see mother y father more. eynan end can owing to see cu the was have his plan good hinca in another. at keep of police mirando his intencion owing to place cu past owing to being hinca full sunu in cel. diadomingo past owing to achieve one boxer short for dress. night owing to reparti the colchon for her presonan sleep y after past owing to probecha for try horca curpa cu the boxer short cu owing to dune. at the baranan of iron of the cel past owing to mara the boxer short y try kill curpa. 

::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 03:04:09 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 28, 2011, 03:21:23 PM
This says he'd hung himself with his boxer shorts.  They were able to revive him, and he's still in the hospital.  They are saying that the shooting of his wife was premeditated.  He'd planned to kill her and then kill himself, the report says that he told their son that he wouldn't see his mother or father again.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/29433-cu-boxer-short-blauw-a-purba-horca-y-awor-ta-keda-interna-den-hospital.html

cu boxer short blauw owing to try horca y now is stay interna in hospital

sunday, 27 march 2011 23:55

the ultimo informacion on situation of blauw is cu past owing to stay interna at dr horacio oduber hospital after of owing to try kill his curpa at keep of police. was polisnan cu owing to work cune pendiente the arrive of ambulance. saturday night after cu blauw owing to comete his acto past owing to stay deteni. police was have informacion cu the wanted owing to kill curpa. the acto cometi was premedita because past owing to let know cu the will kill his casa y djey kill his curpa. till even the will owing to tell the child anteriormente cu the will not go see mother y father more. eynan end can owing to see cu the was have his plan good hinca in another. at keep of police mirando his intencion owing to place cu past owing to being hinca full sunu in cel. diadomingo past owing to achieve one boxer short for dress. night owing to reparti the colchon for her presonan sleep y after past owing to probecha for try horca curpa cu the boxer short cu owing to dune. at the baranan of iron of the cel past owing to mara the boxer short y try kill curpa. 

::snipping2::





There is something in the water down there. They are all crazy.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
We got the judges decision of the Plaintiff's request to delay the Summary Judgement Hearing already, it was filed on the 23rd and I posted it either Friday or Saturday when it became available.  It was DENIED.:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5562502848_79a74bc5e6_b.jpg)

Now the Defeandents argument has also been made available.  Here are the first 5 pages of the argument (beyond the first 5 are alot of exhibits).

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5107/5569274214_91604ea4d6_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5172/5568687437_64f2673ac7_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5016/5569274292_04be31c1f5_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5291/5568687503_0e8c128073_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5017/5568687529_52da4111af_b.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 28, 2011, 05:27:17 PM
Klaas,  thank you for the documents and the person who pays for them.

The message seems to be quite clear--"enough is enough" and the defendants are not going to settle!  Onward to the Summary Judgment on April 11, 2011!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 06:34:23 PM
Thank you Klaas,  and thank you generous monkey that paid for the documents! ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyDance::

Page 2
::snipping2::

Quote
Enough is enough!  Plaintiffs have obviously become convinced that they cannot defeat the summary judgement on the merits so their strategy is to delay the hearing as long as possible in, perhaps, the misguided hope that Defendants will settle (they won't).
 

::MonkeyCheer2::  Made my day!   ::monkeywine2:: 

I felt confident that this was the case, but it's always nice to see it in black and white!   ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 28, 2011, 06:38:19 PM
Thank you Klaas,  and thank you generous monkey that paid for the documents! ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyDance::

Page 2
::snipping2::

Quote
Enough is enough!  Plaintiffs have obviously become convinced that they cannot defeat the summary judgement on the merits so their strategy is to delay the hearing as long as possible in, perhaps, the misguided hope that Defendants will settle (they won't).
 

::MonkeyCheer2::  Made my day!   ::monkeywine2:: 

I felt confident that this was the case, but it's always nice to see it in black and white!   ::MonkeyCool::





 ::rhino:: ::rhino::  ITA  ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2011, 06:46:43 PM
Thank you Klaas,  and thank you generous monkey that paid for the documents! ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyDance::

Page 2
::snipping2::

Quote
Enough is enough!  Plaintiffs have obviously become convinced that they cannot defeat the summary judgement on the merits so their strategy is to delay the hearing as long as possible in, perhaps, the misguided hope that Defendants will settle (they won't).
 

::MonkeyCheer2::  Made my day!   ::monkeywine2:: 

I felt confident that this was the case, but it's always nice to see it in black and white!   ::MonkeyCool::





Yeah I loved that part too and meant to underline it!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/amc-dan-abrams-to-revisit-notorious-unsolved-murder-cases/

AMC, Dan Abrams, To Revisit Notorious Unsolved Murder Cases

by Mark Joyella | 4:56 pm, March 28th, 2011

AMC has tapped ABC legal analyst, author and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams (name sounds soooo familiar, just trying to put a face to it) to anchor an upcoming series of “documentary style” short profiles of some of the nation’s most notorious unsolved murder cases, according to a news release from the network today.

The series–tied to the premiere of a new AMC drama series, The Killing, which debuts April 3–features three to five minute vignettes on six unsolved cases, including Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway and the Zodiac Killer.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2011, 07:20:35 PM
Thank you Klaas,  and thank you generous monkey that paid for the documents! ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyDance::

Page 2
::snipping2::

Quote
Enough is enough!  Plaintiffs have obviously become convinced that they cannot defeat the summary judgement on the merits so their strategy is to delay the hearing as long as possible in, perhaps, the misguided hope that Defendants will settle (they won't).
 

::MonkeyCheer2::  Made my day!   ::monkeywine2:: 

I felt confident that this was the case, but it's always nice to see it in black and white!   ::MonkeyCool::





Yeah I loved that part too and meant to underline it!



Denied!!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Great News.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2011, 07:38:43 PM
If anyone thought maybe there might be a settlement, here's is proof they (Dr. Phil's team) have no intention to settle.  This is from page 2 paragraph 3 of the document I posted (Defendants Opposition to Delay Summary Judgement, filed 3/23/2011):

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/5569775776_813318d5ed_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 08:28:27 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/amc-dan-abrams-to-revisit-notorious-unsolved-murder-cases/

AMC, Dan Abrams, To Revisit Notorious Unsolved Murder Cases

by Mark Joyella | 4:56 pm, March 28th, 2011

AMC has tapped ABC legal analyst, author and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams (name sounds soooo familiar, just trying to put a face to it) to anchor an upcoming series of “documentary style” short profiles of some of the nation’s most notorious unsolved murder cases, according to a news release from the network today.

The series–tied to the premiere of a new AMC drama series, The Killing, which debuts April 3–features three to five minute vignettes on six unsolved cases, including Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway and the Zodiac Killer.

 ::snipping2::

I just saw a preview on AMC, and it looks like it will be a good show!  The preview was about the Rosie Larson case.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 28, 2011, 09:05:41 PM
Interesting that Kalpoes are just now naming their "expert" or at least the person they wanted to attend the Dr. Phil forensics deposition. 

You would think they would have been waving the NFI and expert's report, if one ever existed.  Guess they were banking on Dr. Phil settling.

Wonder if Sam Redman or Jan Brennan were the experts....

 ::MonkeyDevil:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2011, 09:10:49 PM
Interesting that Kalpoes are just now naming their "expert" or at least the person they wanted to attend the Dr. Phil forensics deposition.  

You would think they would have been waving the NFI and expert's report, if one ever existed.  Guess they were banking on Dr. Phil settling.

Wonder if Sam Redman or Jan Brennan were the experts....

 ::MonkeyDevil::  

 ::MonkeyDevil::
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5570000572_109cc3b450_o.jpg)

I still cannot believe that Jan Brennan continues to use that really bad photo to promote herself.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on March 28, 2011, 09:28:38 PM
Interesting that Kalpoes are just now naming their "expert" or at least the person they wanted to attend the Dr. Phil forensics deposition.  

You would think they would have been waving the NFI and expert's report, if one ever existed.  Guess they were banking on Dr. Phil settling.

Wonder if Sam Redman or Jan Brennan were the experts....

 ::MonkeyDevil::  

 ::MonkeyDevil::
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5570000572_109cc3b450_o.jpg)

I still cannot believe that Jan Brennan continues to use that really bad photo to promote herself.


Might be the best picture she has.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2011, 09:30:45 PM
Can't be the best can it?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 09:33:19 PM
Can't be the best can it?

It's probably the one that she thinks she looks like her BFF Anita the most in.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: windy city on March 28, 2011, 09:35:26 PM
Interesting that Kalpoes are just now naming their "expert" or at least the person they wanted to attend the Dr. Phil forensics deposition.  

You would think they would have been waving the NFI and expert's report, if one ever existed.  Guess they were banking on Dr. Phil settling.

Wonder if Sam Redman or Jan Brennan were the experts....

 ::MonkeyDevil::  

 ::MonkeyDevil::
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5570000572_109cc3b450_o.jpg)

I still cannot believe that Jan Brennan continues to use that really bad photo to promote herself.

I Just threw up in my mouth.

Hi Monkeys!  I read here all the time for updates on this tragic case.  Thanks for all the great info you wonderful people provide.  I really appreciate it.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 28, 2011, 09:52:01 PM
Windy - they closed down my photobucket.  I'll see if I can find your old avatar and fix you back up.  Good to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
I see what you mean, very sad.  So she is critical and on her way to Columbia for treatment and he tried to kill himself last night.  Looking at his photo going into the ambulance, he's not buff like he used to be.  

I agree about the possible steroids.  



I read at boletinextra.com that their son is 10 years old.  Sad. ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/7008-blauw-tin-basta-dia-caba-ta-menasa-su-casa.html

There was also mention of an incident where Blauw posted a picture of a Docente (teacher) on the internet.  I remember a case like that a while back, but I'm not sure if it's the same one.  

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29388-blauw-famoso-pa-problema-cu-muhernan.html

Papiamentu translation:

blauw famous for problem cu muhernan

saturday, 26 march 2011 21:41

he juan junio quant, conoci because; "blauw" sospecha of owing to comete the crimen tirando his casa, is enough famous in the seno female. mucho like assure the not was. at more cu ocasion the is being menciona in casonan agresion contra muher. some year happen past owing to come in news end hour cu one photograph cu past owing to saca of one docente owing to plama on internet. the docente here was his pareha the time ey. now his agresion owing to bay one pace more far. past owing to throw for his casa cu intencion for mat'e. now past owing to deteni y have to bay give cuenta.

::snipping2::



This is the story in today's Amigoe:

What translates to "Fish" is actually "Vis"
Edit to include link furnished by texasmom.  MB http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5341:man-schiet-echtgenote-drie-keer-in-gezicht&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200
Man shoots wife in face three times

Monday, 28 March 2011 6:20 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - In a house in Pavia on Saturday found a place where family drama Chaldira Fish  (31) by her husband Juan Junior Quant (34) in the presence of their child and her father was shot several times. The perpetrator was arrested after an attempted suicide in his cell. Both are now in critical condition. The Public Prosecutor has not indicted him because it is awaiting the status of the victim.

The prosecution wants to present only confirm that 's tried to kill his wife. According to spokesperson Angela Ann is the investigation continues. "A number of witnesses in the case has been heard and we have a good picture of what all has occurred. The accused is heard and has already contacted a lawyer. "To achieve a final indictment to come, should include confirmation of whether there was premeditation. It also remains to be seen how it makes the victim. Will she dies, you can Quant murder accused. Time being, at least attempted murder as an option on the table. OM also confirms that the firearm which the police seized illegal. "That is at least in the indictment."

About the motive for the shooting saying justice is nothing. Reportedly, the couple had already Quant Fish longer relationship. Quant and his wife Chaldira Fish (31) last Saturday, according to eyewitnesses have had a quarrel during a family day at the Palm Island Water and Power Company WEB, which operates Quant. As all fish would have been threatened by her husband. After Fish left the family day and their baby with Quant, but with her father. Later that evening the trio went to the house of Fish and Quant to clothes to pick. There, the mood is really high again and shot Quant repeatedly on the head of his wife. Chaldira Fish was shot in her jaw and neck. Subsequently, a plastic bag pulled over her head, presumably with a view to strangle her. She is in critical but stable condition yesterday and was transported to a hospital for further treatment in Colombia. The offender was taken to the police station in Oranjestad transported last night where he has undertaken an effort to move from his own to kill himself by hanging in a garment. However, officers found him in time and called an ambulance, which rushed to the hospital Quant transported. About his condition was his lawyer, Chris Lejuez, this morning nothing to tell. He sees him before today, after yesterday arrived from Curaçao. He does not think his client will be held accountable. "It's happened before that a client undertook a suicide attempt before I could speak. Not once were the next day she approachable. "
 ::snipping2::


I noticed the plastic bag over her head when she was being transported, I didn't know her husband did that too!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So she left the gathering at De Palm Island with her son and her father, but had gone back home to get clothes when she was shot and he also attempted to strangle her with the plastic bag!
 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 28, 2011, 10:06:43 PM
Thanks for posting the document Klaas.

This is good news!  Who is the Kalpoe's expert analyst?

I would have thought that the findings of the NFI investigation of the Kalpoe/Skeeter recording would have been the foundation of the defamation lawsuit.  It doesn't make sense that this huge lawsuit was file if their was no credible backup that proved that the Dr. Phil recording was deceptively manipulated.

Thanks again.

Good Night

Janet

+++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 10:20:35 PM
Some people in Aruba are angry that Juan Junior Quandt will probably only get 4-5 years for the crime.  Some think that he should be sent to Peru to room with Joran.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/29433-cu-boxer-short-blauw-a-purba-horca-y-awor-ta-keda-interna-den-hospital.html#comments

 ::snipping2::

Scirbi pa jullie, March 28, 2011   
Blauw Quandt is a coward! A coward for using a gun on his defenseless wife in front of his child, then trying to take his own life to escape the punishment of having to live with what he has done.
+60

scirbi for arubiana, march 28, 2011
i am wait for the stay good at life y hanja his katigo here on ground.....y cu chaldira recupera for his yui cu have to of dje god ilumine y dune much compel... +35 come across...

scirbi for weatherman, march 28, 2011
the cobarde not mag die....cuide owing to the pay his castigo...si do you have problem...aleha or divorcia come across...curpa big come across, braza thick but of one cobarde insigur..... +38 come across...

scirbi for rasmijn, march 28, 2011
one is so are you die, elo have cu pay and wanta his castigo. ple big cu arm, but cobarde mind bashi. +20 come across...

scirbi for olga tromp, march 28, 2011
can end we have one man!!!!!!!,e do not family of the cobarde cu owing to kill the muchamuher owing to the netherlands?e man akita one pschypatico same cu joran v/der sloot -1 come across...

scirbi for jorge11, march 28, 2011
the is fasil for is stop one near and judge. of cu ela make aberration and bad is berdad. but much is think y believe cu kill only is pica and one big, in view of god do not existi plca diminutive neither big pica is pica y ganja, make redo come across, talk on person, angry, hate, adulterio,envidia, drunkenness, sorcery all the another casnan there also is pica meskos cu kill, and god is tell everybody cu is praktica the cosnan here is go pay castigo eterno not at world as much person is believe. the tristo realidad is cu maldad is come door of the bad deseonan of person.e solution tawata is and will stay arepenti and come serka cristo. +12 come across...

scirbi for opsevador, march 28, 2011
god only know why the cosnan here is socode! god owing to lage at life for her pay pe at life pace at dead not have nothing more! y i am wait for the burdugo here hanja castigo for life largo pace the law stupid cu have at aruba is let of desea! y till now cu cow owing to hoga they're core as guy for make algo siendo cu husticia know of the burdugo here end! god give chaldira compel y struggle for his life y wait for cu the la learn his lesson for her aleha of the burdugo here cu not have curason y mind bashi! now gobierno make algo, life largo for one "burdugo so pace person the do not! danjado of life y place aruba completo in one panico +7 come across...

scirbi for jap, march 28, 2011
the wanted less life? well, who cares?........pa one criminal abusador cu owing to post photograph of juf of school without escrupulo, beat his mujer hour the wanted, y now attentive of crimen? kico more can wait for of one abusdor so? nothing! if the wanted kill curpa, lage eta serve for world have one element indesea less! +11 come across...

scirbi for cado, march 28, 2011
that is corda the caso of catholic of beach, at where his father juan quandt owing to throw herry croes near of catholic, jene cu ball and hour herry owing to cai abao in the cura of catholic near of the door of catholic, the father juan owing to jega place the pistol at cabez of herry and throw, but the balanan owing to end and so the not can owing to give herry the ball of gracia and the la cai in another cuminsa jora because the ball owing to end. that owing to sosode at anja 1979 according my or end 78????? one appel do not cai far of his tree +3 come across...

scirbi for abuser destroyer, march 28, 2011
the 'cos' not can is man, on the portret are you waak end cu the is one psicopata, are you waak the naturaleza diabolico in his cara. the cobarde here wanted take the 'caminda facil' for scapa his castigo, have to castrele for her become tame y have to lock'e in one cel cu one pair of 'machonan' pols during his estadia at kia. the part tisto is, cu door of we sistema hudicial stupid, assure the is hanja 5 anja only y if the is play loco, even less. one problem much big also is, cu much muhernan is follow acepta maltrato y hour have to give aangifte they're chicken out. have so much lectura y pelic*la tocante the exercise here but the low selfesteem of majority of the muhernan is stroba they of leave foi the patroonchi of abuse. they're forget cu they yiunan can follow same ehempel y is become abusador also. much but much tristo. +1 come across...

scirbi for mena, march 28, 2011
my not conose the person here and my not have enteris for conose tampoko. but people of aruba hour you is comenta remember cu all crimineel have his mother. and corda the mother ey also have one curason. not can talk his good but one bit respect for his mother is at his lugar. thanks +4 come across...

scirbi for mich, march 28, 2011
1 keks less +1 come across...

scirbi for aflretico, march 28, 2011
i am wait for with the murderer here curpa big cerebro diminutive ( if the have acaso ) pay his pena come across!!!!!! the problem is.... how many anja will they dune here at aruba come across??? 4 or 5 owing to will mucho come across!!!!..... mande peru... let the putrefy with joran come across!!!!!!!! +2 come across...

scirbi for mena, march 28, 2011
see con the self one pareha here owing to insulta polisnan during lighting parade and today look at con police owing to skapa they life ( till still ) pesey have to respeta police pace do you not know what day do you have to of the self shon police ey. +7 come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 11:00:02 PM
I see what you mean, very sad.  So she is critical and on her way to Columbia for treatment and he tried to kill himself last night.  Looking at his photo going into the ambulance, he's not buff like he used to be.  

I agree about the possible steroids.  



I read at boletinextra.com that their son is 10 years old.  Sad. ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.boletinextra.com/index.php/local-news/7008-blauw-tin-basta-dia-caba-ta-menasa-su-casa.html

There was also mention of an incident where Blauw posted a picture of a Docente (teacher) on the internet.  I remember a case like that a while back, but I'm not sure if it's the same one.  

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29388-blauw-famoso-pa-problema-cu-muhernan.html

Papiamentu translation:

blauw famous for problem cu muhernan

saturday, 26 march 2011 21:41

he juan junio quant, conoci because; "blauw" sospecha of owing to comete the crimen tirando his casa, is enough famous in the seno female. mucho like assure the not was. at more cu ocasion the is being menciona in casonan agresion contra muher. some year happen past owing to come in news end hour cu one photograph cu past owing to saca of one docente owing to plama on internet. the docente here was his pareha the time ey. now his agresion owing to bay one pace more far. past owing to throw for his casa cu intencion for mat'e. now past owing to deteni y have to bay give cuenta.

::snipping2::



This is the story in today's Amigoe:

What translates to "Fish" is actually "Vis"
Edit to add link provided by texasmom (in case this gets quoted)  MB
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5341:man-schiet-echtgenote-drie-keer-in-gezicht&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Man shoots wife in face three times

Monday, 28 March 2011 6:20 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - In a house in Pavia on Saturday found a place where family drama Chaldira Fish  (31) by her husband Juan Junior Quant (34) in the presence of their child and her father was shot several times. The perpetrator was arrested after an attempted suicide in his cell. Both are now in critical condition. The Public Prosecutor has not indicted him because it is awaiting the status of the victim.

The prosecution wants to present only confirm that 's tried to kill his wife. According to spokesperson Angela Ann is the investigation continues. "A number of witnesses in the case has been heard and we have a good picture of what all has occurred. The accused is heard and has already contacted a lawyer. "To achieve a final indictment to come, should include confirmation of whether there was premeditation. It also remains to be seen how it makes the victim. Will she dies, you can Quant murder accused. Time being, at least attempted murder as an option on the table. OM also confirms that the firearm which the police seized illegal. "That is at least in the indictment."

About the motive for the shooting saying justice is nothing. Reportedly, the couple had already Quant Fish longer relationship. Quant and his wife Chaldira Fish (31) last Saturday, according to eyewitnesses have had a quarrel during a family day at the Palm Island Water and Power Company WEB, which operates Quant. As all fish would have been threatened by her husband. After Fish left the family day and their baby with Quant, but with her father. Later that evening the trio went to the house of Fish and Quant to clothes to pick. There, the mood is really high again and shot Quant repeatedly on the head of his wife. Chaldira Fish was shot in her jaw and neck. Subsequently, a plastic bag pulled over her head, presumably with a view to strangle her. She is in critical but stable condition yesterday and was transported to a hospital for further treatment in Colombia. The offender was taken to the police station in Oranjestad transported last night where he has undertaken an effort to move from his own to kill himself by hanging in a garment. However, officers found him in time and called an ambulance, which rushed to the hospital Quant transported. About his condition was his lawyer, Chris Lejuez, this morning nothing to tell. He sees him before today, after yesterday arrived from Curaçao. He does not think his client will be held accountable. "It's happened before that a client undertook a suicide attempt before I could speak. Not once were the next day she approachable. "
 ::snipping2::


I noticed the plastic bag over her head when she was being transported, I didn't know her husband did that too!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So she left the gathering at De Palm Island with her son and her father, but had gone back home to get clothes when she was shot and he also attempted to strangle her with the plastic bag!
 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Sorry, forgot the link!   :oops:

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5341:man-schiet-echtgenote-drie-keer-in-gezicht&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 28, 2011, 11:17:35 PM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoecur/28-03-2011c.pdf

Google translation:

Ambassadors Inspired by Aruba

ORANGE CITY - The conference of Dutch Ambassadors from North, Central and South America
Last week was a success. Ambassadors were "encouraged in their role as Kingdom Ambassador" and promised to include support for Aruba promote as a tourist destination.

::snipping2::

The prime minister believes that develop relationships within the Kingdom hitherto been neglected, because too busy was the differences considers using incidents. Eman therefore took the initiative the ambassadors to invite each other to discuss about how the Caribbean
part of the Kingdom and Aruba in particular, can better represent. He sees unique opportunities and Opportunities for a multicultural Kingdom that extends over two continents. "That we have shared with flexibility and creativity meet act, "said Eman.
Twelve ambassadors accepted the invitation and had previous present during the week
conference. Similarly, Renee Forest Jones, Ambassador in Washington. She sketches a picture of a Kingdom that is small in size, but it as the third investor and the seventh trading partner of the United States really as a big country considered. Wood can be much Aruba to do, because it heads of a large embassy, where all Dutch departments represented. The Embassy will, in its contacts to help with experts and universities to establish specific expertise. 
Furthermore, in diplomatic contacts emphasis on regional presence of Aruba as a member of the Dutch Kingdom and the fact that Aruba is has been disassociated from the black and gray lists when it comes to financial transparency and combating transnational crime.
Several ambassadors will explore opportunities for improve air connections. Deputy Ambassador Frank (Frans) Rhine (van Rijn) from Brazil, for example, a trip of 22 hours must be made at Aruba to come.  The visit, however, it is so much that he more to come, but if it can be done via a faster route.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 28, 2011, 11:32:43 PM
Windy - they closed down my photobucket.  I'll see if I can find your old avatar and fix you back up.  Good to see you!


Aren't you proud of me?   I figured out how to fix my own.  It took me a while
though. ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2011, 12:07:01 AM
Windy - they closed down my photobucket.  I'll see if I can find your old avatar and fix you back up.  Good to see you!


Aren't you proud of me?   I figured out how to fix my own.  It took me a while
though. ::MonkeyJnBox::

WOW - I didn't realize, lol.  Yeah I am proud of you!   ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2011, 12:17:17 AM
Windy - they closed down my photobucket.  I'll see if I can find your old avatar and fix you back up.  Good to see you!


Aren't you proud of me?   I figured out how to fix my own.  It took me a while
though. ::MonkeyJnBox::
::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2011, 12:51:10 AM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

Bondia Aruba Front Page

 ::snipping2::


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/03262011_BondiaAruba_FP-1.jpg)

Page 3
 ::snipping2::


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/03262011_BondiaAruba_Pg3-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2011, 12:52:42 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 29, 2011, 02:50:25 AM
Mighty proud of you too, Klaas! ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on March 29, 2011, 03:06:27 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/amc-dan-abrams-to-revisit-notorious-unsolved-murder-cases/

AMC, Dan Abrams, To Revisit Notorious Unsolved Murder Cases

by Mark Joyella | 4:56 pm, March 28th, 2011

AMC has tapped ABC legal analyst, author and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams (name sounds soooo familiar, just trying to put a face to it) to anchor an upcoming series of “documentary style” short profiles of some of the nation’s most notorious unsolved murder cases, according to a news release from the network today.

The series–tied to the premiere of a new AMC drama series, The Killing, which debuts April 3–features three to five minute vignettes on six unsolved cases, including Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway and the Zodiac Killer.

 ::snipping2::

Dan Abrams is good.He used to have his own show. Very handsome, intelligent, and does his homework before the show to read, et al the cases before him. Has empathy too. Mom and I use to to look forward to his show every evening. Glad he's back! Knows many of the movers and shakers in DC not only with efforts done himself, but comes from a powerful family in the area. So handsome and has good  sense of humor. The kind of man you'd welcome in your own home.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on March 29, 2011, 04:42:40 AM
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7591/janbrennenonradio.jpg)



(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/745/janbrennan.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on March 29, 2011, 08:18:29 AM
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7591/janbrennenonradio.jpg)



(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/745/janbrennan.jpg)

KERMIT----ughhhhhhhh, my eyes! My eyes.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Frijole on March 29, 2011, 08:26:13 AM
I almost lost my morning coffee.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2011, 09:53:30 AM
The resemblance is uncanny  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5136/5571374040_ce19895007_m.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on March 29, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
LMFFAO Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 29, 2011, 11:39:56 AM
The resemblance is uncanny  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5136/5571374040_ce19895007_m.jpg)

See Klaas, that was her best picture. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2011, 11:40:15 AM
The resemblance is uncanny  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5136/5571374040_ce19895007_m.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

OMG so true!  Thanks, I needed that laugh!  


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on March 29, 2011, 12:58:18 PM

WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/737/janbreannancomparison.png)


 ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 29, 2011, 01:01:34 PM

WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/737/janbreannancomparison.png)


 ::monkeywine2::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  Yep. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2011, 01:24:55 PM
THE STATEMENST

Not My Words!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Pages 187/189:
After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says, Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from prosecutor Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant. And I trusted him, and signed every page.

“listen to this, Beth …” The words he reads echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair. “Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement.”

I had carefully given intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions. Now Paulus van der Sloot is described only as “the man with the glasses.”

Those are not my words.

Earlier we learned from the prosecutor that the statements from the two uniformed officers who were with us in the van der Sloot front yard that morning didn’t mention the sexual encounters described by Joran between Natalee and him. No mention of his sexual contact with her as she was falling asleep and walking up. No mention of his description of her underwear and genitalia. So the judge never heard about all that.

There‘s no way a police officer could stand there that morning, hear what Joran was saying, and fail to include these details in a statement. No way. In my opinion this information must have been deleted for the officers.


Eric Soemers?

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 182:
  The day after our talk with Ms. Flanegan, I had to go to the police staton to turn in the statement that I had given to Dennis Jacobs.  He had given me a copy to go over with my attorney, Vinda.  But, after looking at it, I realized that it was only a page and a half long and had little to do with what we had actually discussed the most, the conversation that I had with Paulus van der Sloot at the prison ...  I had spent a long time with Jacobs, and much of my interview was not in the statement.

When I went back to turn it in and discuss it with him, I was told that Jacobs was in with Jan van der Stratten.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers' name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.



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Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2011, 01:45:28 PM
We Never Stood a Chance

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2011, 03:03:34 PM
Thanks for posting the document Klaas.

This is good news!  Who is the Kalpoes' expert analyst?

I would have thought that the findings of the NFI investigation of the Kalpoe/Skeeters recording would have been the foundation of the defamation lawsuit.  It doesn't make sense that the financial backers of this huge lawsuit would take on Phil McGraw if there was no credible backup that the disputed segment of the recording was deceptively manipulated.  It should have been a given from the getgo that Phil McGraw would not settle.

<snipped>

+++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet. However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/



Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/


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Post by: windy city on March 29, 2011, 03:37:26 PM
Windy - they closed down my photobucket.  I'll see if I can find your old avatar and fix you back up.  Good to see you!

Thanks for fixing me up!


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Post by: windy city on March 29, 2011, 06:39:08 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/joran-van-der-sloot-%E2%80%98getting-preferential-treatment%E2%80%99

I don't know if I posted this link right but it's about a Dutch minister visiting Joranstein in jail.  Doesn't say much about Joranstein but talks about other Dutch inmates abroad. They are all drug related except the sporter.


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Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2011, 07:20:08 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5270/5572789466_a927fa5f34_z.jpg)

Click on the link below to listen at 9pm ET:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
Thanks Windy!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2011, 07:52:05 PM
Van der Sloot gets preferential treatment...Dutch minister
Story Published: 6:08 pm
Updated: 6:14 pm


A Dutch minister involved in supporting Dutch prisoners around the world says Peru is giving accused killer Joran van der Sloot favorable treatment.

Reverend Peter Middelkoop is head of the Epafras Foundation which supports Dutch detainees in foreign prisons throughout the world.

“He is a very well-known person, so the Peruvian authorities are doing everything to make sure nothing happens to him. He is securely guarded, so that other prisoners cannot harm him,” Rev. Middelkoop has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide.

<snipped>

Other than his international notoriety from the Holloway case, there's another huge difference between van der Sloot and more than 100 other Dutch citizens in Peruvian prisoners. All of the other Dutch nationals were arrested on drug charges.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-gets-preferential-treatment-Dutch/4S_j5E4TJ0G_71z_-2mI6g.cspx




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2011, 08:04:19 PM
Dutch triple-murder suspect arrested in Peru
29/03/2011


Dutchman Patrick Van Der Berg, suspected of murdering his wife and their six-month-old baby in Bolivia, has been arrested in the Peruvian capital Lima, Interpol said Tuesday.

Van Der Berg allegedly strangled his 29-year-old wife Lucy Luisa Molina Gonzalez, a Bolivian national, and their baby boy in 2008 before fleeing to Chile, where he is accused of a third murder, that of a female friend.

<snipped>

Van Der Berg will first be transferred to Ica, where another complaint has been lodged against him, before Peru is expected to begin procedures to extradite him to Bolivia as requested.

Two other Dutchmen who have confessed to murder are also in jail in Peru.

Joran van der Sloot, 23, was arrested in Chile and deported to Peru in June last year and subsequently confessed to the May 2010 murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores, 21, in a hotel room in Lima.

<snipped>

A third Dutchman, Jason Conquet, 32, admitted strangling his Peruvian girlfriend, 22-year-old Leslie Paredes, during an argument when she came to visit him in Lima's notoriously overcrowded Lurigancho prison.

Conquet buried Paredes under a homemade cement bench in his cell. Prison authorities only realized three months later because a foul odor emanated from the area.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/dutch-news/dutch-triple-murder-suspect-arrested-in-peru_139107.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 29, 2011, 10:02:22 PM
O/T other than it's Aruba but I had to take a double take.  Thought this guy who just got arrested resembled a skinny Deepak  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6760/3_1301421002.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6760&offId=0&offDate=2011-3


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Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2011, 10:12:10 PM
http://www.ultimatepasadena.com/stories/239080-event-at-pasadena-fairgrounds-to-benefit-texas-eqqusearch

Event at Pasadena Fairgrounds to benefit Texas EqquSearch

by DON MAINES,BY DON MAINES, CHRONICLE CORRESPONDENT,BY KIM MORGAN published March 29, 2011 3:03 pm

Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed will be the special guest at a banquet and charity auction to benefit a nonprofit mounted search-and-recovery organization.

The Texas EquuSearch Sports Extravaganza Banquet and Charity Auction begins at 7 p.m. Saturday, April 9, at Campbell Hall, Pasadena Fairgrounds, 7902 Fairmont Parkway.

EquuSearch is based in Dickinson.

 ::snipping2::
EquuSearch is supported solely by donations and doesn't charge to conduct water and air searches. It hopes to raise $300,000 from the event, McKinney said.

Presented by Sequent Energy Management of Houston, the fundraiser will include dinner catered by La Brisa Mexican Bar and Grill, live music by The Tony Hill Band and a silent auction, conducted by Bear Hebert. Items up for bid include trips to Aruba, Costa Rica and Rhode Island, jewelry and sports memorabilia. Additional auction items are needed.

KTRK-TV anchorman Dave Ward will be master of ceremonies.

More than 600 guests are expected to attend, and 95 percent of the tickets have been sold, McKinney said. Individual admissions are available and cost $75.
 ::snipping2::


http://www.ultimatepasadena.com/stories/235172-texas-equusearch-presents-sports-extravaganza-event

 ::snipping2::
Sponsorships are available at all levels starting at $500. Donations are needed for the silent auction. Call Texas EquuSearch’s Sherry McKinney at 281-309-9500 to donate an item or make a donation. There will be an opportunity to meet Ed Reed in the VIP Lounge when people become a Regional, National or World Cup Sponsor.
 ::snipping2::



http://texasequusearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Extravaganza3-15-11.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 29, 2011, 10:13:21 PM
O/T other than it's Aruba but I had to take a double take.  Thought this guy who just got arrested resembled a skinny Deepak  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6760/3_1301421002.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6760&offId=0&offDate=2011-3

I took a double take on that one earlier too!   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 29, 2011, 11:31:28 PM
Presented by Sequent Energy Management of Houston, the fundraiser will include dinner catered by La Brisa Mexican Bar and Grill, live music by The Tony Hill Band and a silent auction, conducted by Bear Hebert. Items up for bid include trips to Aruba, Costa Rica and Rhode Island, jewelry and sports memorabilia. Additional auction items are needed.



Keepthefaith

After knowing what Aruba did to Natalee Holloway, a murdered/raped/ disappeared young woman, Tim Miller and Texas eqqusearch have the gall to auction off trips to Aruba? Tim Miller has sunken to depths that I can't even comprehend. I guess after what we've witnessed this is extremely believable.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 29, 2011, 11:39:01 PM
Tim Miller
 
Event at Pasadena Fairgrounds to benefit Texas EqquSearch
March 29, 2011 3:03 pm


<snipped>

EquuSearch is supported solely by donations and doesn't charge to conduct water and air searches. It hopes to raise $300,000 from the event, McKinney said.

Presented by Sequent Energy Management of Houston, the fundraiser will include dinner catered by La Brisa Mexican Bar and Grill, live music by The Tony Hill Band and a silent auction, conducted by Bear Hebert. Items up for bid include trips to Aruba, Costa Rica and Rhode Island, jewelry and sports memorabilia. Additional auction items are needed

<snipped>

http://www.ultimatepasadena.com/stories/239080-event-at-pasadena-fairgrounds-to-benefit-texas-eqqusearch


WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

<snipped>

Tim Miller:  ... If Beth really wants to make a difference and help people?  You know we had more people disappear in the United States of America in the last twenty four hours.  Do you hear this?  Twenty four hours, than Aruba has in their entire history.  This was a very isolated incident. I will not boycott Aruba.  The last time we was in Aruba they was just friendly with us again.  My Gd you know what? Let’s start at home to try to make a change. ...

<snipped>

Transcript: texasmom
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8625.0

Audio
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 12:52:34 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 04:20:29 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5375:toestand-kia-ernstig-en-zorgwekkend&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

"State KIA serious and worrying"

Tuesday, 29 March 2011 5:00 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) is considering measures to improve the situation in Aruba correction Institute (KIA) to address. This morning there was high-level consultations including Chief Peter Blanken and Attorney-General Rob Pietersz about "how further '.

by our reporter
Alex Lacle

The reason for the consultation is the incident yesterday afternoon when two police officers injured. These agents were part of a police team comprising members of the SWAT team and police. They had conducted a search of the Public and fouilleeractie planned in the prison. This action could not be completed because inmates refused to cooperate and strong resistance. "It went wrong right," said Angela Ann, spokesman for the Prosecutor. She explains that such action the prisoners from their cells are removed and are put together. The jailers put separately. Next, the cells in these agents to search. Extent was not so. "The prisoners were very restless and at one point came to a confrontation." Police had to forcibly intervene with reciprocal blows struck. Finally got the agents to the prisoners back in their cell. Here are two officers were slightly injured. At the end of the afternoon was calm in the jail back, says Angela. Injured on the side of the detainees had not yet informed the spokesman.

It is the third time in a short time police conducted searches of the OM performs in prison. During previous actions were drugs, improvised weapons, cell phones and reportedly called a masterkey found. With such a key to inmates in the prison cells and doors open complex. The key finding of this morning could not be confirmed. Chief Peter Blanken said just before the start of consultations on this paper that they at least continue the search. "It is the responsibility of the prosecutor to any risk to prisoners and guards to exclude. The actions will continue until we find nothing. "
 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 04:28:48 PM
I'm not sure, I'm going to see if I can find out...but I think this might be the Merryweather residence.  The one with the zoo. 
 ::MonkeyEek::


http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6772&offId=0

12 minuut pasa | Fecha: 30/03/2011 | Horario: 16:07
MAS IMAGEN DURANTE E RAZZIA NA ALTOVISTA


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(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6772/4_1301515801.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6772/5_1301515801.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6772/10_1301515801.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 04:36:22 PM
I'm still thinking it may be the Merryweather's...tax fraud and maybe money laundering????

I'm really not surprised...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29582-dos-detencion-den-investigacion-fiscal-penal-grandi.html

Papiamentu translation:

two detencion in investigacion fiscal- penal big

wednesday, 30 march 2011 15:32 awemainta the unidad of investigacion fiot of belastingkantoor in cooperation cu rst y cuerpo political of aruba owing to as huiszoeking at several lugar at aruba, in cuadro of one investigacion fiscal- penal bao responsabilidad of ministerio publico. at the self instant did take lugar also actividadnan of investigacion at colombia, in cuadro of the investigacion at aruba y in cooperacion cu autoridadnan colombiano. one of the actividadnan here was one huiszoeking. opsporingsambtenaarnan of aruba was present at colombia. the accionnan did take lugar because; part of one investigacion of posible fraude cu tax y delitonan of labamento of coin lia at esey by of the comerciante aruban h.m. y his casa f.d.l.-m. kendenan is exploita several business at aruba. during the accion at aruba owing to as huiszoeking (search) at three cas, cuatro business y one office of accountant of the sospechosonan. at colombia owing to as huiszoeking at one hacienda. in the huizoekingnan owing to confisca particularmente documentonan cu have of haber cu finanzas y administracion of the negoshinan, as bukinan of administratie, cahanan of registro, computernan, etc. at two adres of the sospechosonan owing to achieve armanan of candela ilegal. also owing to confisca some obheto of valor, as one car y one boat. several person owing to wordo listen for police, among they, the sospechosonan. two sospechoso, h.m. y p.m., owing to wordo deteni. the investigacion is relaciona cu suspicion of one fraude of tax big. entradanan cu was wordo genera for her sospechosonan cu they negoshinan was as not or not completo give at tax. owing to consecuencia of this country aruba, so is the suspicion, owing to wordo enough perhudica in his entrance at tax. the ventaha financiero mara at esey was wordo wash. intencion of the accion of awemainta was for tax can achieve mihor vista on the as of work of the sospechosonan y for calcula cuanto the perdida was exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 04:39:44 PM
The Merryweathers...

Herbert Merryweather (Son of John Merryweather)
Francine de Lannoy
Philip Merryweather


Recently married and his wife just opened a new business...
Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather
Carolina Merryweather-Raven


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 04:50:20 PM
The Merryweathers...

Herbert Merryweather (Son of John Merryweather)
Francine de Lannoy-Merryweather
Philip Merryweather


Recently married and his wife just opened a new business...
Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather (edit to add)
Carolina Merryweather-Raven

made a correction above...

I know they own the Driftwood Restaurant and fishing charter business, and the Dress Code is Carolina Merryweather's new store.  We've all seen the zoo...and then there's the paso fino horses...

http://www.facebook.com/dresscodearuba

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Driftwood-Fishing-Charters/198909635334

http://www.driftwoodaruba.com/index_restaurant.php

http://www.ocaruba.com/2011/02/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 04:52:08 PM
The Merryweathers...

Herbert Merryweather (Son of John Merryweather)
Francine de Lannoy-Merryweather (edit to add)
Philip Merryweather


Recently married and his wife just opened a new business...
Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather
Carolina Merryweather-Raven

made a correction above...

I know they own the Driftwood Restaurant and fishing charter business, and the Dress Code is Carolina Merryweather's new store.  We've all seen the zoo...and then there's the paso fino horses...

http://www.facebook.com/dresscodearuba

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Driftwood-Fishing-Charters/198909635334

http://www.driftwoodaruba.com/index_restaurant.php

http://www.ocaruba.com/2011/02/

I messed up the edit in my prior post...I think it's fixed now... :oops:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 05:05:54 PM
http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4052:rst-y-team-special-recherche-a-tira-razia-na-alto-vista&catid=1:policial&Itemid=16

Papiamentu translation:

(http://www.einformante.com/images/stories/noticia/2011/march/mar29/polishurbi.jpg)

rst y team special recherche owing to throw razia at alto vista

rst y team special of recherche owing to throw one razia an aun cas at alto vista caminda cu did take enough cos in beslag. near of this owing to enter one restaurant much conoci for cuminda of lama. djies here rato more informacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 05:07:48 PM
I was pretty sure it was them already, but this is the picture link from my last post... ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.einformante.com/images/stories/noticia/2011/march/mar29/polishurbi.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 05:09:24 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29582-dos-detencion-den-investigacion-fiscal-penal-grandi.html
 ::snipping2::
Quote
at two adres of the sospechosonan owing to achieve armanan of candela ilegal.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 05:10:56 PM
Why do I think this will be one of those cases that we'll never hear another thing about?

I get the impression that they are a pretty powerful family on that rock.

jmo


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 05:12:19 PM
2NJ would have loved this too.   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 05:20:06 PM
Merryweather residence...Alto Vista 116.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/29574-polis-teniendo-razzianan-pisa.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.maart.mart30.razzia.DSC_0039.JPG)

police teniendo razzianan pisa

wednesday, 30 march 2011 12:01

by today 5or of marduga, one are big of recherchenan, under direccion of ministerio publico is drentando various cas at aruba. owing to visit various cas, owing to detene some person y owing to confisca several producto y material. one of the casnan cu owing to ricibi visit is of family merryweather at alto vista at north. here owing to bay cu the son, the conocido phillip merryweather cu is conoci for his actividadnan of beast cu children. family merryweather is maneha the driftwood restaurant for much year end. in the proceso polisnan owing to bay cu one boat, car y some box of evidencia for of the cas. the another adresnan do not conoci for we still. ministerio publico owing to tell cu for afternoon will give more informacion on the caso here


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 05:41:50 PM
Hi TM - I've been busy today.  Please help me by spelling out what you believe has happened at the Merryweather home.  You can decipher Pap so much better than me  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 05:50:33 PM
Hi TM - I've been busy today.  Please help me by spelling out what you believe has happened at the Merryweather home.  You can decipher Pap so much better than me  ::MonkeyCool::

From what I gather...

Cooperative investigations in Colombia and Aruba into the Merryweather family businesses and/or properties.

Tax fraud, and if I understand correctly money laundering...were the things that were being investigated.  They also found illegal weapons in the search of two of their homes.

Another home was also searched in Aruba that they have not said who it belongs to yet.  I'm wondering if it was Herbie's...he's recently married so I'm assuming they don't live at the "big house" with the rest of the family.

I'll be out for a while but I will read it all again later and see if I can decipher anything more.  There are obviously some Dutch terms in the articles also that would have to be translated separately.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 06:16:55 PM
Thanks TM!

So Merryweather is a crook too?  Yeah 2NJ would love this  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2011, 06:39:16 PM
The Speech

CNN LIVE TODAY
Missing in Aruba
Aired July 5, 2005 - 10:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.
I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html


The Fallout

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Exerpt

Page 157/158: No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.
… Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Some Arubans angry at Holloway’s mom
Calling brothers ‘criminals’ elicits resentment, statement from lawyer
updated 6:56 p.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A latent but growing resentment here became evident for the first time when more than 200 people, some wrapped in Aruban flags, said they were incensed by statements made by the mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8484217


The Apology

Missing teen's mom apologizes for comments
Statements 'fueled by despair'
Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 6:41 p.m. EDT (22:41 GMT)

 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance.

“The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.”

<snipped>

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 30, 2011, 06:40:56 PM
John Merryweather

'Scarborough Country' for July 6
updated 7/7/2005 11:11:45 AM ET


<snipped>

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Mr. Merryweather, thank you so much for being with us tonight.  Tell us, why were you involved in that protest?  What do you think that Natalee's mother did wrong? 

JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT:  Well, first—no, no, first of all, I'd like to answer why I was at the—not protest.  It was a gathering in support of our justice system.  It was not a protest.  It never started out as a protest either.  I would like that to be very, very clear. 

When I was there, I hadn't heard what the comments of Natalee's mother either of the day.  I was asked that after I was there.  I went there.  I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  What did she say that was wrong?  What did Natalee's mother say that was...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  No, what did Natalee's mother say that offended so many people in Aruba? 

MERRYWEATHER:  Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also.  You cannot—these two boys, I don't know them.  I don't know the parents.  I don't know anyone involved in this personally. 

But our justice system, as yours in the states, you are innocent until proven guilty.  This system of ours, whether you agree with it or not, whether you understand it or not, allows these people to be free at this moment, but they are not free of charges.  They have not been exonerated from this case. 

They have not been found innocent.  They are witnesses.  And they can be called upon at any time. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  OK, Mr. Merryweather, that is fair enough.  I mean, that is a fair enough point.  You're innocent until proven guilty. 

Can you understand, though...

MERRYWEATHER:  Yes. 

SCARBOROUGH:  ... why Natalee's mother and why a lot of Americans are upset by the fact that the three key suspects, the last people seen alive with Natalee, they were released for 11 days, allowed to get the stories straight, allowed to clean up the car, allowed to clean up their homes, and then these two Kalpoe boys that were released why, they lied to the police.  They changed tear stories two or three times.

MERRYWEATHER:  Yes. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And now they are walking the island.  Can you not understand why some Americans are scratching their heads, saying what in the heck is going on in Aruba? 

MERRYWEATHER:  You know, first of all, this is not the United States.  This—we are governed here also by Dutch law, Aruban law that is years and years older than the United States.  And the Dutch law has proven itself over the years. 

It is just the law of the land that we all have to abide by.  I sympathize very, very much with Natalee's parents and family.  We here in Aruba, I personally, my family, if we could go out and we could find the solution to this tonight, we would do it, because it is not only having an effect on them.  It's having an effect on the whole community. 

This is a small island and everybody is involved here and everybody is just as frustrated in another way maybe.  But we want also—we want to have closure.  And we would rather have closure that Natalee be found alive safe and well and go back to the states, but, in any event, closure, because this is disrupting the island totally. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  I'm sure it is, Mr. Merryweather.

One final question.  Maybe you can educate it, because you say Dutch law is older than American law. 

MERRYWEATHER:  That's right. 

SCARBOROUGH:  So, maybe you can educate us and help us understand why you would have the three key suspects, the three guys last seen with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared, walk the island free for 11 days. 

Explain how the maturity of Dutch law allows that to happen in a way that we Americans with our—gee, it's only 220 years old—and the American legal system doesn't understand it? 

MERRYWEATHER:  Well, I didn't mean that as an insult either or a gibe. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  No, no, no.  I am just trying to figure out, though, why do you let them walk for 11 days?

(CROSSTALK)

MERRYWEATHER:  That—only the people involved in the investigation and, in accordance with the , can tell you, they have to present evidence to the courts to be held to begin with. 

And each time, they have an extension.  And at a certain moment, if there is no more evidence, no more new evidence to hold them, they have to be let free until such time—when I say let free, they are not free of the case.  They are not free of the case. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Right. 

MERRYWEATHER:  They are still part of the case. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  They are still possible suspects, what you are saying, but they still may—they may be suspects, even though they are walking. 

(CROSSTALK)

MERRYWEATHER:  Yes. 

Look, even if—there is an appeal.  The—the—the—the Justice Department appeals them walking free.  This now comes in front of three judges.  And I understand it may be as soon as Friday. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, thank you so much, Mr. Merryweather.  We greatly appreciate it. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  If the three judges find there's justification, they walk or they may go back in.             

MERRYWEATHER:  If the three judges find justification, they will go right straight back to jail. 

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, thank you so much, Mr. Merryweather.  We know you live on a great island.  Everybody has called Aruba the happy island.  I have got friends that have visited there, say it is very safe.  It's a wonderful place.  That is why I'm so hurt and why a lot of Americans are hurt that we don't think we are getting the answers that we deserve.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 06:48:02 PM
Thanks TM!

So Merryweather is a crook too?  Yeah 2NJ would love this  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've always thought so...and I'm pretty sure she did too!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

If you take a good look at all that we know they have (and I'm sure there's more), in relation to the businesses they have and how the economy has been in Aruba....they have wayyyyyy too much to be justified imo.  I've always thought there MUST BE something else going on there.  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 09:15:40 PM
See the March 28, 2011 date that the Plaintiffs need to file theirOpposition to the Summary Judgement?  Well they filed a ton of stuff on the 28th that just became available.  Too much to post all of it and will take too much time.  There is a statement from Deepak and one from Satish I'll definitely post some time tonight.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5554443124_3022967fcf_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
See the March 28, 2011 date that the Plaintiffs need to file theirOpposition to the Summary Judgement?  Well they filed a ton of stuff on the 28th that just became available.  Too much to post all of it and will take too much time.  There is a statement from Deepak and one from Satish I'll definitely post some time tonight.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5176/5554443124_3022967fcf_b.jpg)

Thanks Klaas!    ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::

And thanks to the generous monkey that purchased the documents!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 10:06:40 PM
Satish's statement filed March 28, 2011:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5229/5575897294_b62d0cbdde_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5575309783_16a7d6ff3b_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5190/5575897334_6b93418414_b.jpg)






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 10:08:42 PM
Deepak statement filed March 28, 2011:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5300/5575309563_f1337969d1_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5575897100_e0c1c35f99_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5303/5575897134_aefd222004_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2011, 10:13:45 PM
Thanks TM!

So Merryweather is a crook too?  Yeah 2NJ would love this  ::MonkeyHaHa::


It sure does my heart good to read this!   

Here's to you 2NJ! ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 10:21:15 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 30, 2011, 10:27:02 PM
Thanks Klaas and Texasmom. The Merryweather's = Just another Aruban Crime Family.

Speaking of crime families, do you know what is going on with Evelyn Wever Croes? Three different articles on 24 Ora.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 10:30:26 PM
Thanks Klaas and Texasmom. The Merryweather's = Just another Aruban Crime Family.

Speaking of crime families, do you know what is going on with Evelyn Wever Croes? Three different articles on 24 Ora.

I think she is doing something about preventing Child Abuse:

http://www.facebook.com/evelynwevercroes?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/evelynwevercroes?sk=wall)

http://www.facebook.com/notes/evelyn-wever-croes/ni-gobierno-ni-parlamento-tin-abuso-sexual-di-menor-na-pecho/10150180268859363 (http://www.facebook.com/notes/evelyn-wever-croes/ni-gobierno-ni-parlamento-tin-abuso-sexual-di-menor-na-pecho/10150180268859363)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
I love how this law firm representing the two leprechauns is hanging their own clients out to dry. They fully understand that Dr. Phil's attorneys are going to have a whole lot of latitude when in comes to questioning the leprechauns and winning this case won't be hard to win once they take the stand. I'm getting so excited I might wet myself.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on March 30, 2011, 10:36:19 PM
Thanks Klaas and Texasmom. The Merryweather's = Just another Aruban Crime Family.

Speaking of crime families, do you know what is going on with Evelyn Wever Croes? Three different articles on 24 Ora.

I think she is doing something about preventing Child Abuse:

http://www.facebook.com/evelynwevercroes?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/evelynwevercroes?sk=wall)

http://www.facebook.com/notes/evelyn-wever-croes/ni-gobierno-ni-parlamento-tin-abuso-sexual-di-menor-na-pecho/10150180268859363 (http://www.facebook.com/notes/evelyn-wever-croes/ni-gobierno-ni-parlamento-tin-abuso-sexual-di-menor-na-pecho/10150180268859363)

Thanks Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 10:54:18 PM
James B. Reams - expert for the Plaintiffs.  What I'd like to know is what "copy" did the Plaintiffs attorneys give to this guy to review:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5266/5575897148_468ae6f651_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/5575897168_9060824f73_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5150/5575309649_aabc9aefb0_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 30, 2011, 11:15:25 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 30, 2011, 11:27:24 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!
Yes! Good point! I also agree that it appears to me that the Plaintiffs attorneys are hanging the Kalpoes out to dry. This suit was never "for" or "about" the Kalpoes anyways -- it was funded and meant to benefit Aruban tourism interests. The Kalpoes are too stupid to realize what is happening. I would love to see this case thrown out at Summary Judgement -- but llike KTF --- I would relish the opportunity to get the morons on the stand at trial!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 11:30:37 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!

There won't be any of Larry Garrison's stuff with the Plaintiffs filing.  It will be somewhere in the Defendents filings.  If I ever see it I'll be sure and post.

The Plaintiffs are trying to prove why this case shouldn't just get thrown out.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 30, 2011, 11:34:40 PM
 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDevil:: Joe Taco has sure been quiet about his old favorite client lately!!!!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2011, 11:36:42 PM
I think JoeT has moved on.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on March 30, 2011, 11:38:24 PM
I think JoeT has moved on.   ::MonkeyCool::
Does his website still brag about getting a client off in Aruba????  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 30, 2011, 11:47:38 PM
::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDevil:: Joe Taco has sure been quiet about his old favorite client lately!!!!  ::MonkeySlide::


::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2011, 11:54:12 PM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2011, 12:18:38 AM
::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDevil:: Joe Taco has sure been quiet about his old favorite client lately!!!!  ::MonkeySlide::


::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 31, 2011, 12:28:42 AM
I think JoeT has moved on.   ::MonkeyCool::

He sure has moved on.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-01-07/local/27086789_1_defense-lawyer-monserrate-public-lawyer

Disgraced ex-State Sen. Hiram Monserrate hasn't paid defense lawyer Joseph Tacopina: lawsuit
BY SCOTT SHIFREL
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Friday, January 07, 2011

Former State Sen. Hiram Monserrate is stiffing his high-powered defense lawyer, court papers say.

 ::snipping2::

He's seeking to be removed from the case or be appointed a public lawyer at one-sixth of his usual $750-an-hour rate.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 12:35:47 AM
I think JoeT has moved on.   ::MonkeyCool::
Does his website still brag about getting a client off in Aruba????  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep

http://www.tacopinalaw.com/?page=cases


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 12:38:34 AM
I think JoeT has moved on.   ::MonkeyCool::
Does his website still brag about getting a client off in Aruba????  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep

http://www.tacopinalaw.com/?page=cases

Interesting link to the Fox Interview:

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/uk_news/article152.html

About the author: Dayo Gould is a frequent visitor to Aruba, and is a volunteer ESL teacher in a Christian school.

Email: ed_asp@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on March 31, 2011, 01:36:47 AM
End of days for k2....fills my heart with Joy.....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on March 31, 2011, 02:48:16 AM
End of days for k2....fills my heart with Joy.....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner..... ::MonkeyAngel::

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

I DO



 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on March 31, 2011, 07:00:23 AM
I think JoeT has moved on.   ::MonkeyCool::
Does his website still brag about getting a client off in Aruba????  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Joe Tacopina is now representing a cop who raped a young woman in New York.  He and his partner escorted her home and then raped her.  They went back and forth in the apartment four separate times and they have them on video.  The cop who raped this young woman is sick in his head.  He had the nerve to tell her I'll be your boyfriend if you stop drinking.  Wasn't that nice of him  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on March 31, 2011, 07:37:53 AM
Good morning Monkeys!

Thanks for the documents Klaas.  I know it takes a great deal of time to go through them and make them available to us.
Thanks to our donor also, for their caring and their generosity.

Tick tock.......


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on March 31, 2011, 07:41:21 AM

texasmom -  ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You have my silent thanks every day!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2011, 11:19:49 AM
I think JoeT has moved on.   ::MonkeyCool::


Natalee Holloway's stepfather knew it was just a matter of time.  If only the Aruban justice system had prevailed ... a young lady named Stephany would be following her dreams.

Janet

++++++

Joe Tacopina

NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S STEPFATHER:  ... I`ll tell you what really made me sick today to be honest with you is to see his U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina, whoever, who has been kind of hiding for the last week because he didn`t know what was going to happen all of a sudden come on and he`s all over the TV now. And he is just saying, you know, with a smirk on his face, which just it makes me sick ... I told you so, nothing was going to happen. When he knows Joran is a time bomb just waiting to blow up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2011, 12:22:44 PM
James B. Reams - expert for the Plaintiffs.  What I'd like to know is what "copy" did the Plaintiffs attorneys give to this guy to review:


Thanks for posting the documents Klaas.

It would make sense that the attorneys of both the Defendants and Plaintiffs would use a verified copy that was downloaded directly from the recording on Jamie Skeeters' hard drive as a foundation to prove their respective cases.

IMO

Janet

++++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


<snipped>

SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005


<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: ... We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on March 31, 2011, 12:57:36 PM
Good morning Monkeys!

Thanks for the documents Klaas.  I know it takes a great deal of time to go through them and make them available to us.
Thanks to our donor also, for their caring and their generosity.

Tick tock.......


(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2011, 02:07:45 PM

texasmom -  ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You have my silent thanks every day!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2011, 02:20:07 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29572-razzia-na-cas-di-famia-merryweather-na-alto-vista.html

::snipping2::

comments:
 

::snipping2::

Scirbi pa Palacio di Desfalco, March 31, 2011   
What is the weather like in Aruba? Oh. it's a merry weather, almost all of those luxury palaces of locals are build on money laundering, drug dealing, fraud, tax evasion, but YES WE CAN because we're Arubans. Brinkman, Wilders, y un sin fin di ministernan y parlamentarionan hulandes tin razon: 'Aruba een boeven staatje' google translation ("Aruba crooks a small state. ").
Bin bij mensen, bay waak tambe den e so called casnan di pueblo: BMW, Harley, waverunner, hummer, di un minimumloon y/of onderstand? SIAD mester scan full e Isla caya pa caya y check for di unda nan a haya tur e riqueza. Pa colmo nan ta hende cu ta core rond cu pechi, bandera, etc di Aruba pasobra nan ta proud di ta Arubiano, HIPOCRITANAN!
 ::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 03:51:25 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29572-razzia-na-cas-di-famia-merryweather-na-alto-vista.html (http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29572-razzia-na-cas-di-famia-merryweather-na-alto-vista.html)

Scirbi pa STANISLUV, March 31, 2011
i hope when they are through with merryweather then can continue with thje likes of the
owner of moomba beach and mambo jambo. i'm not a criminal expert, but even stevie wonder can see that most of these places were launched with drug money.
don't take my word for it, gobierno, just do you so-called job. you still have the comb in your hand. you don't understand the comb-gesture, then head to the scan suggestion in the comment above by 'palacio di desfalco'.

stop sitting on your !#@&))es and get to work


pt3

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 04:37:45 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/29572-razzia-na-cas-di-famia-merryweather-na-alto-vista.html

::snipping2::

comments:
 

::snipping2::

Scirbi pa Palacio di Desfalco, March 31, 2011   
What is the weather like in Aruba? Oh. it's a merry weather, almost all of those luxury palaces of locals are build on money laundering, drug dealing, fraud, tax evasion, but YES WE CAN because we're Arubans. Brinkman, Wilders, y un sin fin di ministernan y parlamentarionan hulandes tin razon: 'Aruba een boeven staatje' google translation ("Aruba crooks a small state. ").
Bin bij mensen, bay waak tambe den e so called casnan di pueblo: BMW, Harley, waverunner, hummer, di un minimumloon y/of onderstand? SIAD mester scan full e Isla caya pa caya y check for di unda nan a haya tur e riqueza. Pa colmo nan ta hende cu ta core rond cu pechi, bandera, etc di Aruba pasobra nan ta proud di ta Arubiano, HIPOCRITANAN!
 ::snipping2::



Philip Merryweather:

http://www.geni.com/people/philip/6000000000121145688

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5577366875_96a531c1d4.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5070/5577952746_ff6dfe3f20_o.jpg)


Philip MerryWeather's facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500772237&sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 04:41:09 PM
So it appears the house in Alta Vista belongs to Philip MerryWeather's mom and dad:

Merryweather Francine M
Alto Vista 116 Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 05:44:11 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!

Magnolia - I didn't think the Garrison emails would be in this stuff but they are.  I just need to make sure it's not a problem posting them.  I will ask Red.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2011, 08:29:02 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!

Magnolia - I didn't think the Garrison emails would be in this stuff but they are.  I just need to make sure it's not a problem posting them.  I will ask Red.


Thanks, Klaas!
Just summarize.  That will be fine.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 31, 2011, 08:48:30 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!

Magnolia - I didn't think the Garrison emails would be in this stuff but they are.  I just need to make sure it's not a problem posting them.  I will ask Red.


Thanks, Klaas!
Just summarize.  That will be fine.

BBM^^^ ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2011, 09:22:14 PM
FROM KALPOE LAWSUIT - page 104. Kermit2
 ::MonkeyCool::


(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/363/kermit2kalpoecasepage10.png)


Now, DPM & attorneys PLEASE READ UP - THE MORONS QUOTED OL KERMIT AND I'M FLATTERED,
BUT LETS SHOW SOME LOVE HERE AND BONE UP ON WHO IS BEHIND THE LAWSUIT CUZ I'M PRETTY
DARN SURE THE LEPRECHAUNS JUST AIN'T THAT SMART.

START YOUR ENGINES & read!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6082.msg995424#msg995424

The SKEETER'S tape provided by the ARUBANS is different than any other tape.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.msg1316178#msg1316178


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2011, 09:24:07 PM
 ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey:: ::ElfMonkey::

RIBBIT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 31, 2011, 09:49:51 PM
RIBBIT!!

Ribbit ribbit and ... ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit shoe fly shoe pie ribbit ribbit but ... ribbit ribbit Brandi ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit ribbit pond ribbit Veggie ribbit ... ribbit border guards ribbit and .... ribbit shoot ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit large aquarium ribbit.

 ::FlyingFrog::

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2011, 10:01:26 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!

Magnolia - I didn't think the Garrison emails would be in this stuff but they are.  I just need to make sure it's not a problem posting them.  I will ask Red.


Thanks, Klaas!
Just summarize.  That will be fine.

BBM^^^ ::MonkeyHaHa::


Sometimes the things I post don't come out the way I intend.
I meant no disrespect to Klaas.  She usually understands me...thank goodness!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on March 31, 2011, 10:27:47 PM
I'll have to go thru the rest of the docs and see what I can post.  There are hundreds of pages so I may not get to them all until the weekend.  I'll do my best.


I'm curious about the Larry Garrison emails.  No rush though. ::MonkeyCool::
I remember in Larry Garrison's depo, he said that Deepak admitted that all
three had sex with Natalee.
Remember Deepak wanted to be paid $1 million to appear on Greta.  She refused
and that is why he didn't appear on any talk shows or give any interviews.
His intention was to sell his story for big bucks.

Thanks for all!

Magnolia - I didn't think the Garrison emails would be in this stuff but they are.  I just need to make sure it's not a problem posting them.  I will ask Red.


Thanks, Klaas!
Just summarize.  That will be fine.

BBM^^^ ::MonkeyHaHa::


Sometimes the things I post don't come out the way I intend.
I meant no disrespect to Klaas.  She usually understands me...thank goodness!

Magnolia, I just thought you were teasing her; it sounded sweet and funny.  All's good.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 11:17:13 PM
Larry Garrison emails to Deepak.  Plus one response by Deepak to Larry Garrison.  Email addys and phone numbers redacted   ::MonkeyCool::

5 emails from Garrison to Deepak:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5053/5578239704_9df7f35e5a_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5251/5578239714_7c73330dfb_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5266/5577653775_cc96250f37_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5225/5577653781_ed4496d79c_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5230/5577653793_1b591428e3_b.jpg)

One response from Deepak to Garrison:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5061/5578239682_d80b72f3f6_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2011, 11:32:28 PM
Thank you so much Klaas and anon monkey. ::MonkeyKiss::

That Deepak is a cocky so and so, isn't he?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on March 31, 2011, 11:40:05 PM
Thank you Klaas for capturing and posting the document, and for all you do. 

Thank you secret monkey for funding the document purchase.

Thank you TM for your daily news feed and for ending/starting the day with the photographic reminder of why we are here.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 11:42:45 PM
Garrison looked a bit opportunist to me  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Sleuth - good to see you!

Yesterday I saved close to 1000 pages of documents.  I'm trying to go through and figure out what would be worth posting and watermarking.  Plus these documents have not been redacted for SS numbers or phone numbers or any of that personal info so I have to watch out for that too.  I'll probably post more tomorrow and over the weekend as I have more time to post.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on March 31, 2011, 11:43:40 PM
Thank you so much Klaas and anon monkey. ::MonkeyKiss::

That Deepak is a cocky so and so, isn't he?

You're welcome Magnolia.  I scanned through a 400+ page document quickly to see if I saw the Garrison emails and sure enough!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 01, 2011, 12:25:14 AM
Thank you so much Klaas and anon monkey. ::MonkeyKiss::

That Deepak is a cocky so and so, isn't he?

You're welcome Magnolia.  I scanned through a 400+ page document quickly to see if I saw the Garrison emails and sure enough!  ::MonkeyCool::


400 pages!  WOW
I have never cared much for Larry Garrison, but I prefer him to Deepak.
I hardly believe that those are the only emails between the two of them.
It is curious that they would only choose those to exhibit.
I think they are trying to discredit Larry Garrison's deposition.  Not gonna work.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 01, 2011, 12:30:43 AM
Deepak is tempted by the offer to make money.  He feels uncomfortable with keying information using the computer; he would be interested in discussing the project in person.  Garrison is interested in getting at the truth; Deepak doesn't have the answer to the puzzle.  It's about him--with a mention of Natalee and family.  So, no deal.  Is that it?

Thank you, Klaas, for your willingness to spend so much of your time on these documents for us.  Hope that Pete gives you a few extra kisses this weekend.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 12:37:13 AM
Thank you so much Klaas and anon monkey. ::MonkeyKiss::

That Deepak is a cocky so and so, isn't he?

You're welcome Magnolia.  I scanned through a 400+ page document quickly to see if I saw the Garrison emails and sure enough!  ::MonkeyCool::


400 pages!  WOW
I have never cared much for Larry Garrison, but I prefer him to Deepak.
I hardly believe that those are the only emails between the two of them.
It is curious that they would only choose those to exhibit.
I think they are trying to discredit Larry Garrison's deposition.  Not gonna work.

What most of the exhibits are trying to show is that poor Deepak and Satish were totally innocent of everything and Joran is the only bad guy.  I probably downloaded over 1000 pages of PDF's from the court.  There are statements (the same ones we have from the case) of Deepak and Satish and a few others.  From what I've read so far nothing different really (even though retranslated) than what we already have had here.  There is so much though I have to take my time and see if there's a real gem in there that is begging to be posted, LOL.

There is alot of unredacted personal information that I don't feel right posting.   The whole idea is for them to try and prove that Deepak and Satish were poor innocent bystanders, upstanding wonderful young men who were defamed by the Dr. Phil show.  

IMO, they were dirtbags before the show and you can't defame a dirtbag.

Edited to add:
  I downloaded about 9 pdf's from the court website.  One is over 300 pages and another over 400 then the rest varying sizes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 12:38:28 AM
Deepak is tempted by the offer to make money.  He feels uncomfortable with keying information using the computer; he would be interested in discussing the project in person.  Garrison is interested in getting at the truth; Deepak doesn't have the answer to the puzzle.  It's about him--with a mention of Natalee and family.  So, no deal.  Is that it?

Thank you, Klaas, for your willingness to spend so much of your time on these documents for us.  Hope that Pete gives you a few extra kisses this weekend.

Yeah, Deepak would do a book if it was about him (like anyone cares)  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 01:26:47 AM
Deepak Kalpoe - A Book or Movie Deal

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


<snipped>

RITA COSBY, HOST:  You know, there's a lot of clips that came in, Beth, but I want to get your reaction to this because a lot of people are frustrated to hear this, Deepak talking basically about maybe making some money off this, maybe a movie, maybe a book deal.  Take a listen, Beth, if you could.  I want to get your reaction.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

KALPOE:  (INAUDIBLE)  They say write a book.  Explain everything in the book.  Give it to a publisher.  You'll have a pretty good sum of money.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

COSBY:  I don't know if you heard that, Beth, but, Give it to a publisher.  I can make a pretty good sum of money.  How disgusted are you to hear that?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  Oh, you know, Rita, not only hearing that, but I actually saw it come across someone's Blackberry, a reporter, where Deepak was saying that he wanted $250,000 in a book or a movie deal.  You know, and I had to see it, like I said, come across a reporter's Blackberry.  Deepak's been reaching out to various reporters in the United States since early on.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 12:33:27 PM

What most of the exhibits are trying to show is that poor Deepak and Satish were totally innocent of everything and Joran is the only bad guy.  I probably downloaded over 1000 pages of PDF's from the court.  There are statements (the same ones we have from the case) of Deepak and Satish and a few others.  From what I've read so far nothing different really (even though retranslated) than what we already have had here.  There is so much though I have to take my time and see if there's a real gem in there that is begging to be posted, LOL.

There is alot of unredacted personal information that I don't feel right posting.   The whole idea is for them to try and prove that Deepak and Satish were poor innocent bystanders, upstanding wonderful young men who were defamed by the Dr. Phil show. 

IMO, they were dirtbags before the show and you can't defame a dirtbag.

Edited to add:
  I downloaded about 9 pdf's from the court website.  One is over 300 pages and another over 400 then the rest varying sizes.

Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are going to use Joran's own words/lies in the Range Rover confession to their advantage in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw?

Janet

+++++

Joran: Just Dropped Me Off

The Road Ranger Transcript:

JORAN:  Ok they (Deepak and Satish) have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.

PATRICK:  So you never told these two (Deepak and Satish) anything?
 
JORAN:  Never, never, never.

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem


William Cremer: Exonerates My Boys

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

<snipped>

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Hans Mos: Received An Alibi

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 12:55:41 PM
Deeply Involved

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Patriot on April 01, 2011, 01:45:14 PM
Dr. Phil Tried To Scoop Oprah

 Dr. Phil recently tried to scoop the lady that discovered him, Oprah! Legal documents that were filed in a lawsuit against Dr. Phil for allegedly defaming two men in the Natalee Holloway case (the girl who disappeared in Aruba) have been discovered, and that is there the story comes from.

Oprah had scheduled to do an exclusive interview with Natalee's mom, Beth on September 20th of 2005. Dr. Phil had been working on getting the same interview, and then he found out Oprah was doing the same. Emails between Dr. Phil and his staff have been revealed, and one of his producers found out about Oprah was trying to get the interview. In her email, she had the following to say to Dr. Phil…

"But we can OUT SCOOP Oprah & do the show w/ her first no matter what we find tomorrow we still have an interesting show - plus only YOU can really help."

Dr. Phil replied…

 ::snipping2:: <SNIPPING>

http://www.411mania.com/movies/news/180589/%5BGossip%5D-Dr.-Phil-Tried-To-Scoop-Oprah.htm


Edited by San = Thanks for the link.  We try not to post the entire article.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 03:54:44 PM

What most of the exhibits are trying to show is that poor Deepak and Satish were totally innocent of everything and Joran is the only bad guy.  I probably downloaded over 1000 pages of PDF's from the court.  There are statements (the same ones we have from the case) of Deepak and Satish and a few others.  From what I've read so far nothing different really (even though retranslated) than what we already have had here.  There is so much though I have to take my time and see if there's a real gem in there that is begging to be posted, LOL.

There is alot of unredacted personal information that I don't feel right posting.   The whole idea is for them to try and prove that Deepak and Satish were poor innocent bystanders, upstanding wonderful young men who were defamed by the Dr. Phil show. 

IMO, they were dirtbags before the show and you can't defame a dirtbag.

Edited to add:
  I downloaded about 9 pdf's from the court website.  One is over 300 pages and another over 400 then the rest varying sizes.

Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are going to use Joran's own words/lies in the Range Rover confession to their advantage in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw?

Janet

+++++

Joran: Just Dropped Me Off

The Road Ranger Transcript:

JORAN:  Ok they (Deepak and Satish) have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.

PATRICK:  So you never told these two (Deepak and Satish) anything?
 
JORAN:  Never, never, never.

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem


William Cremer: Exonerates My Boys

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

<snipped>

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Hans Mos: Received An Alibi

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


Food for Thought

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »


I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 04:22:36 PM
Dr. Phil Tried To Scoop Oprah

 Dr. Phil recently tried to scoop the lady that discovered him, Oprah! Legal documents that were filed in a lawsuit against Dr. Phil for allegedly defaming two men in the Natalee Holloway case (the girl who disappeared in Aruba) have been discovered, and that is there the story comes from.

Oprah had scheduled to do an exclusive interview with Natalee's mom, Beth on September 20th of 2005. Dr. Phil had been working on getting the same interview, and then he found out Oprah was doing the same. Emails between Dr. Phil and his staff have been revealed, and one of his producers found out about Oprah was trying to get the interview. In her email, she had the following to say to Dr. Phil…

"But we can OUT SCOOP Oprah & do the show w/ her first no matter what we find tomorrow we still have an interesting show - plus only YOU can really help."

Dr. Phil replied…

 ::snipping2:: <SNIPPING>

http://www.411mania.com/movies/news/180589/%5BGossip%5D-Dr.-Phil-Tried-To-Scoop-Oprah.htm


Edited by San = Thanks for the link.  We try not to post the entire article.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Beth Holloway dragged into Dr. Phil lawsuit
Published: 3/16 7:25 am
Updated: 3/16 7:41 am


Birmingham, Al  (CBS42)  Beth Holloway will have to do a deposition in a lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil according to documents cited by the website TMZ.

<snipped>

The lawsuit claims Beth Holloway was privy to information "surrounding the motives and production of the show." 

Lawyers for Dr. Phil and CBS say they only fought the deposition because it would slow down action on their motion to dismiss the lawsuit.  According to TMZ, the judge in the case is proceeding with both the deposition and consideration of the motion to dismiss

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-dragged-into-Dr-Phil-lawsuit/jmg9Nn_al0yExRHHa--mrg.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 05:11:07 PM
Dr. Phil Tried to Blindside Oprah
Originally posted Apr 1st 2011 9:38 AM PDT
by TMZ Staff

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/01/dr-phil-oprah-winfrey-competiton-stealing-guests-natalee-holloway-beth-producer-email-aruba-staff/print


Emails

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0401_phil_oprah_TMZ.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2011, 05:31:07 PM
So, Dr. Phil and Oprah both wanted an interview with Beth.  Phil would have had a reaction to the Deepak interview.  Oprah would have had a Beth interview.  That doesn't change the Deepak tape in any way.

The only way I can see this having a bearing on the lawsuit is if Deepak had an interview set up with Oprah (for money) and Oprah canceled. Then it would just show that Deepak wanted to make money.  It wouldn't change what he said on tape.

 :smt102 :smt102 :smt101


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 05:51:20 PM
So, Dr. Phil and Oprah both wanted an interview with Beth.  Phil would have had a reaction to the Deepak interview.  Oprah would have had a Beth interview.  That doesn't change the Deepak tape in any way.

The only way I can see this having a bearing on the lawsuit is if Deepak had an interview set up with Oprah (for money) and Oprah canceled. Then it would just show that Deepak wanted to make money.  It wouldn't change what he said on tape.

 :smt102 :smt102 :smt101

Has no bearing other than the prosecution trying to make the Dr. Phil team look bad.  Oprah and Dr. Phil must be OK as Dr. Phil show is on her new network OWN.   I think this much ado about nothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 06:00:22 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6799&offId=0

HUES COMISARIO A PROLONGA DETENCION DI TATA Y YIU H.C. MERRYWEATER Y P.C. MERRYWEATHER

Despues di a ser deteni recientemente durante un razzia na algun cas y negoshi, diabierna mainta tanto e tata H.C. Merryweather como tambe su yiu P.C. Merryweather a presenta dilanti hues comisario pa wak si ta prolonga nan detencion relaciona cu posesion di armanan di candela. Despues di a revisa tur e documentonan di e investigacion Hues comisario a bay di acuerdo cu e peticion di fiscal pa prolonga detencion di ambos sospechoso.

Thru translator:

judge comisario owing to prolonga detencion of father y child h.c. merryweater y therefore.c. merryweather

after of owing to being deteni recientemente during one razzia at some cas y business, diabierna morning tanto the father h.c. merryweather because; also his child therefore.c. merryweather owing to present fast judge comisario for look at if is prolonga they detencion relaciona cu posesion of armanan of candela. after of owing to revisa all the documentonan of the investigacion judge comisario owing to bay of acuerdo cu the peticion of fiscal for prolonga detencion of both sospechoso.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6799/2_1301688302.jpg)


So it's Philip Conrad Merryweather and Herbert Merryweather.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 06:02:04 PM
FROM KALPOE LAWSUIT - page 104. Kermit2
 ::MonkeyCool::


(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/363/kermit2kalpoecasepage10.png)


Now, DPM & attorneys PLEASE READ UP - THE MORONS QUOTED OL KERMIT AND I'M FLATTERED,
BUT LETS SHOW SOME LOVE HERE AND BONE UP ON WHO IS BEHIND THE LAWSUIT CUZ I'M PRETTY
DARN SURE THE LEPRECHAUNS JUST AIN'T THAT SMART.

START YOUR ENGINES & read!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6082.msg995424#msg995424

The SKEETER'S tape provided by the ARUBANS is different than any other tape.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.msg1316178#msg1316178

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 01, 2011, 06:48:16 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, Its The Muppet Show!


Its time to play the music
Its time to light the lights
Its time to meet the muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

Its time put on makeup
Its time to dress up right
Its time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight


Why do we always come here?
I guess we'll never know
Its like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show


But now its getting started
Why don't you get things started?
Its time to get things started
On the most sensantional
Inspirational
Celebrational
Muppet-ational
This is what we call The Muppet Show!




::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/04/01/lifetime-books-holloway-sequel-reality-series-for-monday-may-9-245011/9205/ (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/04/01/lifetime-books-holloway-sequel-reality-series-for-monday-may-9-245011/9205/)

[04/01/11 - 02:02 PM]
Lifetime Books "Holloway" Sequel, Reality Series for Monday, May 9
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)

LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- Lifetime has slated "Justice for Natalee Holloway," a sequel to LMN's 2009 docudrama "Natalee Holloway," for Monday, May 9 at 9:00/8:00c, the network revealed today.

Tracy Pollan, Amy Gumenick, Stephen Amell and Grant Show star in the project, which picks up four years after the Alabama teenager (Gumenick) mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Pollan likewise reprises her role as Natalee's mother Beth with Show as stepfather Jug Twitty and Amell (taking over for Jacques Strydom) as suspected killer Joran van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 01, 2011, 07:09:00 PM
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/04/01/lifetime-books-holloway-sequel-reality-series-for-monday-may-9-245011/9205/ (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/04/01/lifetime-books-holloway-sequel-reality-series-for-monday-may-9-245011/9205/)

[04/01/11 - 02:02 PM]
Lifetime Books "Holloway" Sequel, Reality Series for Monday, May 9
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)

LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- Lifetime has slated "Justice for Natalee Holloway," a sequel to LMN's 2009 docudrama "Natalee Holloway," for Monday, May 9 at 9:00/8:00c, the network revealed today.

Tracy Pollan, Amy Gumenick, Stephen Amell and Grant Show star in the project, which picks up four years after the Alabama teenager (Gumenick) mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Pollan likewise reprises her role as Natalee's mother Beth with Show as stepfather Jug Twitty and Amell (taking over for Jacques Strydom) as suspected killer Joran van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::

I love it! Arubass doesn't get. They picked the wrong mother to **** with! Keep going for the next forty years Beth.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 07:20:16 PM
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/04/01/lifetime-books-holloway-sequel-reality-series-for-monday-may-9-245011/9205/ (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/04/01/lifetime-books-holloway-sequel-reality-series-for-monday-may-9-245011/9205/)

[04/01/11 - 02:02 PM]
Lifetime Books "Holloway" Sequel, Reality Series for Monday, May 9
By The Futon Critic Staff (TFC)

LOS ANGELES (thefutoncritic.com) -- Lifetime has slated "Justice for Natalee Holloway," a sequel to LMN's 2009 docudrama "Natalee Holloway," for Monday, May 9 at 9:00/8:00c, the network revealed today.

Tracy Pollan, Amy Gumenick, Stephen Amell and Grant Show star in the project, which picks up four years after the Alabama teenager (Gumenick) mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Pollan likewise reprises her role as Natalee's mother Beth with Show as stepfather Jug Twitty and Amell (taking over for Jacques Strydom) as suspected killer Joran van der Sloot.

 ::snipping2::

 ::MonkeyDance::


Joran van der Sloot:

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'


October, 2010

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'


November, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5256/5580963202_22d246dfe3_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 08:44:49 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5256/5580963202_22d246dfe3_b.jpg)

Klaas

Could you please baby step me through what this issue is all about and ... how it pertains to the defamation case.

I don't understand.  I really must be getting old.

Thanks

Janet

++++++

Dr. Phil Tried to Blindside Oprah
Originally posted Apr 1st 2011 9:38 AM PDT
by TMZ Staff

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/01/dr-phil-oprah-winfrey-competiton-stealing-guests-natalee-holloway-beth-producer-email-aruba-staff/print


Emails

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0401_phil_oprah_TMZ.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 01, 2011, 08:45:13 PM
Thank you, Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 08:51:56 PM
Klaas

Who did the NFI provide the findings of their investigation to?  Is there a copy of this report online ... amongst the posted defamation lawsuit documents ...

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
Klaas

Who did the NFI provide the findings of their investigation to?  Is there a copy of this report online ... amongst the posted defamation lawsuit documents ...

Thanks

Janet

All I've seen is what you see above.  Very generic from the NFI and IMO that is all they said.  That was the report.  All it really said was that the Dr. Phil show had to cut the tape to make it fit the show. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
From what I can tell, the Plaintiff's are attempting to portray Dr. Phil and actually everyone in the USA as exploiting the Kalpoes and the case.  They are trying to make the Kalpoes look like they are victims of the big bad Dr. Phil and CBS.  They are trying to make Dr. Phil look as bad as possible. 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 09:13:23 PM
Thanks Klaas

I do not think Joran's distancing of the Kalpoes in the Range Rover "confession" is going to help.

However ... if a comparison of the FBI copy of the Deepak/Skeeters interview with the Phil McGraw recording reveals that there was no manipulation and ... Deepak really did admit wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway ... the implications are far reaching.  Not only do the Kalpoes lose the defamation lawsuit ... the court of public opinion will demand that Deepak, Satish and Joran are held accountable in an Aruba court of law.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 09:22:16 PM
Thanks Klaas

I do not think Joran's distancing of the Kalpoes in the Range Rover "confession" is going to help.

However ... if a comparison of the FBI copy of the Deepak/Skeeters interview with the Phil McGraw recording reveals that there was no manipulation and ... Deepak really did admit wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway ... the implications are far reaching.  Not only do the Kalpoes lose the defamation lawsuit ... the court of public opinion will demand that Deepak, Satish and Joran are held accountable in an Aruba court of law.

Janet



Don't hold your breath expecting ANYTHING to happen in an Aruban court of law.  Aruba has washed their hands of this, they won't do anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
Thanks Klaas

I do not think Joran's distancing of the Kalpoes in the Range Rover "confession" is going to help.

However ... if a comparison of the FBI copy of the Deepak/Skeeters interview with the Phil McGraw recording reveals that there was no manipulation and ... Deepak really did admit wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway ... the implications are far reaching.  Not only do the Kalpoes lose the defamation lawsuit ... the court of public opinion will demand that Deepak, Satish and Joran are held accountable in an Aruba court of law.

Janet



Don't hold your breath expecting ANYTHING to happen in an Aruban court of law.  Aruba has washed their hands of this, they won't do anything.

You are probably right.  I just thought the outcome of this high profile defamation case may be the catalyst that would motivate the FBI put meaningful pressure on Holland/Aruba to afford an American citizen the justice that is her right under Dutch law.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2011, 10:10:34 PM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/01-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz in Aruba

ORANGE CITY - Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz is the courthouse where the pro forma session today in the Foxy Lady case took place. Left, right Prosecutor Lars Stempher inside. Moszkowicz represents four to five months since Alex Mathew, owner of strip club
Foxy Lady in San Nicolas. On December 17, 2010 there was also a pro forma hearing held in this case. Then Mathew represented by attorney John Zara. After the previous hearing was told on April 1, 2011 dealing with the case would occur, but this was again a pro forma session.
::snipping2::
Mathew is accused of trafficking, exploitation, threats, assault, rape, abuse and several other serious crimes.
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6799&offId=0

HUES COMISARIO A PROLONGA DETENCION DI TATA Y YIU H.C. MERRYWEATER Y P.C. MERRYWEATHER

Despues di a ser deteni recientemente durante un razzia na algun cas y negoshi, diabierna mainta tanto e tata H.C. Merryweather como tambe su yiu P.C. Merryweather a presenta dilanti hues comisario pa wak si ta prolonga nan detencion relaciona cu posesion di armanan di candela. Despues di a revisa tur e documentonan di e investigacion Hues comisario a bay di acuerdo cu e peticion di fiscal pa prolonga detencion di ambos sospechoso.

Thru translator:

judge comisario owing to prolonga detencion of father y child h.c. merryweater y therefore.c. merryweather

after of owing to being deteni recientemente during one razzia at some cas y business, diabierna morning tanto the father h.c. merryweather because; also his child therefore.c. merryweather owing to present fast judge comisario for look at if is prolonga they detencion relaciona cu posesion of armanan of candela. after of owing to revisa all the documentonan of the investigacion judge comisario owing to bay of acuerdo cu the peticion of fiscal for prolonga detencion of both sospechoso.

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6799/2_1301688302.jpg)


So it's Philip Conrad Merryweather and Herbert Merryweather.
::MonkeyCool::

http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/31-03-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Two arrests in major fraud case

One of the houses of the family Merry Weather at Alto Vista search was carried out where yesterday

ORANGE CITY - The financial fiscal intelligence and investigation team (FIOT) yesterday morning in collaboration with institutions including the Criminal Investigation Team and the Colombian police searches were carried out in homes and businesses of the family Merryweather. Two members of the family were arrested on suspicion of money laundering, tax fraud and illegal possession of firearms. As part of the investigation found yesterday So in Colombia 'investigations' took place, such a search.  These actions were conducted in cooperation with Colombian authorities and in the presence of Aruban cops.
During the campaign in Aruba searches are done three homes, four business locations and at a audit firm's suspects. In Colombia on a farm search done. In raids is especially looking for evidence in the form of administrative documents, cash registers and digital media to investigate the financial position and accounts companies. Illegal firearms in two properties were found. In besides weapons raids Administration and other things like a car and a boat seized.  Also, several people heard by the police. Two suspects, Herbert Merryweather and Philip Merryweather, were arrested. Herbert operates together with his wife several companies in Aruba. These include a restaurant, a laundry and a water sports company.  

::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 10:38:27 PM
Yep, the mom is Francine:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5070/5577952746_ff6dfe3f20_o.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 10:48:31 PM
Magnolia, I think you're right.  Aruba Girl and Clevfan must have been one and the same:


Reply #957 on: October 11, 2006, 07:43:39 PM   KLAASEND

I've never doubted that Joran killed his dog and blamed it on someone else.  Arubagirl posted this about it:

Quote from Arubagirl:
He has a son, named Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather. Herbert is married and has a son, but I don't know his name. The mother of this son came to talk to my mom day before yesterday and it turns out that her son is a classmate of Joran's.

So, got it, grandson Merryweather is Joran's classmate. Turns out that that grandson and mom had a major clash with Joran some time before, because Joran accused grandson of killing Joran's dog and throwing it in Moko Dam (place where TX ES also searched), however, the mother threatened to go the cops to make a complaint against Joran, and the Joran confessed to killing his own dog.

I'm not kidding. Not even a little bit.

I have no reason to doubt Arubagirl or her mother.  Also, Nativelingo had also heard the same "rumor" about the dog.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=407.msg58226#msg58226
 
Pre-5/30/05: According to unconfirmed message board report, Joran accuses a classmate with last name Merryweather of killing his dog and throwing it in Moko Dam. When the classmate's mother threatens to file a complaint against Joran with the Aruban polis, Joran confesses to killing his dog himself.  Later the classmate's mother describes the alleged incident to the mother of message board poster “Arubagirl” (July 2005 message board post by Arubagirl)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=118.msg23257#msg23257
 
On July 12, 2005 identity “clevfan” of “Major Wager.com” reported:

Anyway, remember John Merryweather, evil incarnate and my mom’s cousin? He has a son, named Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather. Herbert is married and has a son, but I don’t know his name.
The mother of this son came to talk to my mom day before yesterday and it turns out that her son is a classmate of Joran’s.

So, got it, grandson Merryweather is Joran’s classmate. Turns out that that grandson and mom had a major clash with Joran some time before, because Joran accused grandson of killing Joran’s dog and throwing it in Moko Dam (place where TX ES also searched), however, the mother threatened to go the cops to make a complaint against Joran, and the Joran confessed to killing his own dog.****
Comment by Maggie | July 7, 2006, 10:00 pm
http://tinyurl.com/zwma7
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1183.msg175409#msg175409
 


http://www.myspace.com/hmerryweather



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2011, 11:24:44 PM
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500772237&sk=info

Guess they may have to reschedule that date...

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/04012011_PhilipMerryweatherFB.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2011, 11:34:34 PM
http://www.myspace.com/pmerryweather

Philip Conrad's Details
Status:   Single
Here for:   Friends
Orientation:   Straight
Hometown:   Aruba
Body type:   Athletic
Zodiac Sign:   Leo
Smoke / Drink:   No / Yes
Children:   Someday
Education:   Some college
Income:   $250,000 and Higher


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 11:36:05 PM
Philip

http://www.myspace.com/pmerryweather

(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/27/c59276fbac713643edff1e890e63f2ce/m.jpg)

They have a boat:
(http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/96/3263e6739a5746657ff6cfd91994cc47/l.jpg)

(http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/127/c27741663a962be9683f0053c5574814/l.jpg)

Expensive cars:

(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/358580bc02953afd68b39aff519b73c3/l.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 01, 2011, 11:49:34 PM
Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz is investigating whether he can take Joran van der Sloot to court in a civil case.
6 March 2008


HILVERSUM - Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz is investigating whether he can take Joran van der Sloot to court in a civil case.

On the television programme Pauw en Witteman on Wednesday he said there was a n "85 to 90 percent chance" that he can file for damages on behalf of Beth Twitty, the mother of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Moszkowicz says Van der Sloot caused the mother damage by not telling Aruban officials information contained in the confessions he made about the disappearance on hidden camera footage taken by crime reporter Peter R. de.

<snipped>

The famous lawyer said he though it remarkable that Van der Sloot had not been taken into custody. "The examining judge that held him earlier without a confession now says a confession isn't enough to hold him," Moszkowicz said.

He says Van der Sloot's statements can be deemed a confession "without a doubt."

http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/local_news/Moszkowicz-investigates-damages-claim-against-Van-der-Sloot-.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 01, 2011, 11:56:49 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/10/01/john-merryweather-at-no-moment-did-i-defend-joran-vd-sloot-or-the-kalpoe-brothers/

John Merryweather: At no moment did I defend Joran van der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers
 (Edit Post)

From Diario:

ORANJESTAD(AAN) — Related to a press release yesterday “Merryweather wants to challenge Natalee’s mom?”, Mr. John Merryweather reacted yesterday by indicating that the contents of much of that article was based on the misinterpretation of his thoughts and that he will contest it.

He starts by explaining that in the first place, it goes without saying that he prays for the Twitty and Holloway families. “At this time, we also pray for Aruba because it is due to the Twitty family, who has asked for a boycott of tourism to Aruba, against citizens who have nothing to do with what happened to Natalee, sadly she was last seen on her trip to Aruba.

For the rest of the translated story go to Aruba Getagrip.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/09/john-merryweather-at-no-moment-did-i.html (http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/09/john-merryweather-at-no-moment-did-i.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 12:08:18 AM
The Speech

CNN LIVE TODAY
Missing in Aruba
Aired July 5, 2005 - 10:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: It is now that I ask the world to help me. Two suspects were released yesterday who were involved in a violent crime against my daughter. These criminals are not only allowed to walk freely among the tourists and citizens of Aruba, but there are no limits where they may choose to travel.
I am asking all mothers and fathers and all nations to hear my plea. I implore you, do not allow these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers, to enter your country until this case is solved. Do not allow these criminals to walk among your citizens. Help me by not allowing these two to get away with this crime.

It is my greatest fear today that the Kalpoe brothers will leave Aruba. I am asking the Aruban officials to notify the United States State Department in the event these suspects try to leave this island. I am asking all nations not to offer them a safe haven. I am asking this in the name of my beautiful, intelligent and outstanding daughter who I haven’t seen for 36 days and for whom I will continue to search until I find her.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/05/lt.03.html


The Fallout

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway


Exerpt

Page 157/158: No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.
… Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Some Arubans angry at Holloway’s mom
Calling brothers ‘criminals’ elicits resentment, statement from lawyer
updated 6:56 p.m. PT, Wed., July. 6, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - A latent but growing resentment here became evident for the first time when more than 200 people, some wrapped in Aruban flags, said they were incensed by statements made by the mother of missing American teen Natalee Holloway.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8484217


The Apology

Missing teen's mom apologizes for comments
Statements 'fueled by despair'
Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 6:41 p.m. EDT (22:41 GMT)

 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance.

“The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.”

<snipped>

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/missing.aruba/index.html


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 12:08:50 AM
John Merryweather

'Scarborough Country' for July 6
updated 7/7/2005 11:11:45 AM ET


<snipped>

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: Mr. Merryweather, thank you so much for being with us tonight.  Tell us, why were you involved in that protest?  What do you think that Natalee's mother did wrong? 

JOHN MERRYWEATHER, FORMER ARUBA DIPLOMAT:  Well, first—no, no, first of all, I'd like to answer why I was at the—not protest.  It was a gathering in support of our justice system.  It was not a protest.  It never started out as a protest either.  I would like that to be very, very clear. 

When I was there, I hadn't heard what the comments of Natalee's mother either of the day.  I was asked that after I was there.  I went there.  I was not part of the organization, but I went there in support of our justice system. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  What did she say that was wrong?  What did Natalee's mother say that was...

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  No, what did Natalee's mother say that offended so many people in Aruba? 

MERRYWEATHER:  Well, you know, it—it—it offended me, also.  You cannot—these two boys, I don't know them.  I don't know the parents.  I don't know anyone involved in this personally. 

But our justice system, as yours in the states, you are innocent until proven guilty.  This system of ours, whether you agree with it or not, whether you understand it or not, allows these people to be free at this moment, but they are not free of charges.  They have not been exonerated from this case. 

They have not been found innocent.  They are witnesses.  And they can be called upon at any time. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  OK, Mr. Merryweather, that is fair enough.  I mean, that is a fair enough point.  You're innocent until proven guilty. 

Can you understand, though...

MERRYWEATHER:  Yes. 

SCARBOROUGH:  ... why Natalee's mother and why a lot of Americans are upset by the fact that the three key suspects, the last people seen alive with Natalee, they were released for 11 days, allowed to get the stories straight, allowed to clean up the car, allowed to clean up their homes, and then these two Kalpoe boys that were released why, they lied to the police.  They changed tear stories two or three times.

MERRYWEATHER:  Yes. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And now they are walking the island.  Can you not understand why some Americans are scratching their heads, saying what in the heck is going on in Aruba? 

MERRYWEATHER:  You know, first of all, this is not the United States.  This—we are governed here also by Dutch law, Aruban law that is years and years older than the United States.  And the Dutch law has proven itself over the years. 

It is just the law of the land that we all have to abide by.  I sympathize very, very much with Natalee's parents and family.  We here in Aruba, I personally, my family, if we could go out and we could find the solution to this tonight, we would do it, because it is not only having an effect on them.  It's having an effect on the whole community. 

This is a small island and everybody is involved here and everybody is just as frustrated in another way maybe.  But we want also—we want to have closure.  And we would rather have closure that Natalee be found alive safe and well and go back to the states, but, in any event, closure, because this is disrupting the island totally. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  I'm sure it is, Mr. Merryweather.

One final question.  Maybe you can educate it, because you say Dutch law is older than American law. 

MERRYWEATHER:  That's right. 

SCARBOROUGH:  So, maybe you can educate us and help us understand why you would have the three key suspects, the three guys last seen with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared, walk the island free for 11 days. 

Explain how the maturity of Dutch law allows that to happen in a way that we Americans with our—gee, it's only 220 years old—and the American legal system doesn't understand it? 

MERRYWEATHER:  Well, I didn't mean that as an insult either or a gibe. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  No, no, no.  I am just trying to figure out, though, why do you let them walk for 11 days?

(CROSSTALK)

MERRYWEATHER:  That—only the people involved in the investigation and, in accordance with the , can tell you, they have to present evidence to the courts to be held to begin with. 

And each time, they have an extension.  And at a certain moment, if there is no more evidence, no more new evidence to hold them, they have to be let free until such time—when I say let free, they are not free of the case.  They are not free of the case. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Right. 

MERRYWEATHER:  They are still part of the case. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  They are still possible suspects, what you are saying, but they still may—they may be suspects, even though they are walking. 

(CROSSTALK)

MERRYWEATHER:  Yes. 

Look, even if—there is an appeal.  The—the—the—the Justice Department appeals them walking free.  This now comes in front of three judges.  And I understand it may be as soon as Friday. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, thank you so much, Mr. Merryweather.  We greatly appreciate it. 

(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH:  If the three judges find there's justification, they walk or they may go back in.             

MERRYWEATHER:  If the three judges find justification, they will go right straight back to jail. 

SCARBOROUGH:  All right, thank you so much, Mr. Merryweather.  We know you live on a great island.  Everybody has called Aruba the happy island.  I have got friends that have visited there, say it is very safe.  It's a wonderful place.  That is why I'm so hurt and why a lot of Americans are hurt that we don't think we are getting the answers that we deserve.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8498049/

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 12:12:50 AM
Francine and Herbert Merryweather

(from Herbie and Carolina's wedding in June of last year)

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/Herbert_FrancineMerryweather.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/HerbertMerryweather.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 02, 2011, 12:13:13 AM
I believe it was probably that old man John Merryweather who got the boys
started in the money laundering business.
He is a wicked old man.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 12:21:44 AM
I believe it was probably that old man John Merryweather who got the boys
started in the money laundering business.
He is a wicked old man.

Wouldn't surprise me...and I bet he was a wicked young man too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 02, 2011, 12:40:40 AM
I believe it was probably that old man John Merryweather who got the boys
started in the money laundering business.
He is a wicked old man.

Wouldn't surprise me...and I bet he was a wicked young man too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



No doubt about it!  IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 02, 2011, 12:43:05 AM
Francine and Herbert Merryweather

(from Herbie and Carolina's wedding in June of last year)

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/Herbert_FrancineMerryweather.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/HerbertMerryweather.jpg)

Francine does look quite lovely in the wedding pictures.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 01:22:03 AM
Francine and Herbert Merryweather

(from Herbie and Carolina's wedding in June of last year)

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/Herbert_FrancineMerryweather.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/HerbertMerryweather.jpg)

Francine does look quite lovely in the wedding pictures.

Yes she does, I thought it was interesting that I never saw John Merryweather in any of the wedding pictures...and I looked at hundreds of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 01:28:23 AM
http://www.xtal.info/merryweather/data/mer2688.html

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba


Auther A pictorial résumé of natural, historical and cultural monuments
of Aruba / by John W. Merryweather. - Aruba : De Wit Stores, 1972. - 56
p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Merryweather's in Aruba 2004
MERRYWEATHER DEBORAH LYNN HUBADASTRAAT 26
MERRYWEATHER ELIZABETH MARIE BYRONSTRAAT 9
MERRYWEATHER EVELINE CLOTHILDE ADRIAAN LACLE BLVD. 6
MERRYWEATHER HERBERT SYDNEY ALTO VISTA 116
MERRYWEATHER JOHN WILLIAM BUBALI 113-C
MERRYWEATHER-DE LANNOY FRANCINE MARIE JEANETTE ALTO VISTA 116
During WWII, John Merryweather was sent to an expensive boarding school
in Jamaica. In 1986 John Merryweather was nominated as a minister to
represent Aruba in Holland. He was responsible for the students of Aruba
living in Holland, and he was the contact person for all the economic
affairs. for 3 1/2 years John Merryweather was director of the national
Fund Sports for handicapped people. John Merryweather received twice the
"Order van Oranje" (A recognition by Queen Beatrix for being an
outstanding citizen.)
John Merryweather was married to Oncha Arends and got 4 daughters and one
son (Herbert My dad) and got divorced shortly after there last one was
born.
After the divorce John Merryweather (My grand father). got married with a
john girl named Stella and got 1 son called Mickeljohn. in Aruba there is
only 5 real Merryweather,s and all have a lot of things in common. there
is Sidney Merryweather which is my cousin son of one of the daughters of
John in his 1st marage. Herbert (my dad) and Herbert (my brother) and I
(Philip).
Source=Philip Conrad Merryweather


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on April 02, 2011, 01:34:25 AM
Klaas,

OT Found you. So glad. Donna's father sent me this link:
http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2011/04/donna-jou-case-lessor-of-two-evils.html

Why does it have scaredmonkeysradio.com listed? and where can I find the Donna Jou's thread? Help TIA Love, IBE


I put the post in the Donna Jou thread = San
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1337.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 01:38:14 AM
http://www.xtal.info/merryweather/data/mer2688.html

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba


Auther A pictorial résumé of natural, historical and cultural monuments
of Aruba / by John W. Merryweather. - Aruba : De Wit Stores, 1972. - 56
p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Merryweather's in Aruba 2004
MERRYWEATHER DEBORAH LYNN HUBADASTRAAT 26
MERRYWEATHER ELIZABETH MARIE BYRONSTRAAT 9
MERRYWEATHER EVELINE CLOTHILDE ADRIAAN LACLE BLVD. 6
MERRYWEATHER HERBERT SYDNEY ALTO VISTA 116
MERRYWEATHER JOHN WILLIAM BUBALI 113-C
MERRYWEATHER-DE LANNOY FRANCINE MARIE JEANETTE ALTO VISTA 116
During WWII, John Merryweather was sent to an expensive boarding school
in Jamaica. In 1986 John Merryweather was nominated as a minister to
represent Aruba in Holland. He was responsible for the students of Aruba
living in Holland, and he was the contact person for all the economic
affairs.
for 3 1/2 years John Merryweather was director of the national
Fund Sports for handicapped people. John Merryweather received twice the
"Order van Oranje" (A recognition by Queen Beatrix for being an
outstanding citizen.)
John Merryweather was married to Oncha Arends and got 4 daughters and one
son (Herbert My dad) and got divorced shortly after there last one was
born.
After the divorce John Merryweather (My grand father). got married with a
john girl named Stella and got 1 son called Mickeljohn. in Aruba there is
only 5 real Merryweather,s and all have a lot of things in common. there
is Sidney Merryweather which is my cousin son of one of the daughters of
John in his 1st marage. Herbert (my dad) and Herbert (my brother) and I
(Philip).
Source=Philip Conrad Merryweather


http://beeldbank.nationaalarchief.nl/nl/afbeeldingen/indeling/detail/start/66652/trefwoord/Serie_Collectie/Fotocollectie%20Anefo

(http://neon.pictura-hosting.nl/naa/naa_mrx_bld/thumbs/500x500/naa/2163/324456.jpg)

Description Prime Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba, John Merry Weather at Schiphol
Date January 23, 1986


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 02, 2011, 01:47:12 AM
http://www.xtal.info/merryweather/data/mer2688.html

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba


Auther A pictorial résumé of natural, historical and cultural monuments
of Aruba / by John W. Merryweather. - Aruba : De Wit Stores, 1972. - 56
p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Merryweather's in Aruba 2004
MERRYWEATHER DEBORAH LYNN HUBADASTRAAT 26
MERRYWEATHER ELIZABETH MARIE BYRONSTRAAT 9
MERRYWEATHER EVELINE CLOTHILDE ADRIAAN LACLE BLVD. 6
MERRYWEATHER HERBERT SYDNEY ALTO VISTA 116
MERRYWEATHER JOHN WILLIAM BUBALI 113-C
MERRYWEATHER-DE LANNOY FRANCINE MARIE JEANETTE ALTO VISTA 116
During WWII, John Merryweather was sent to an expensive boarding school
in Jamaica. In 1986 John Merryweather was nominated as a minister to
represent Aruba in Holland. He was responsible for the students of Aruba
living in Holland, and he was the contact person for all the economic
affairs. for 3 1/2 years John Merryweather was director of the national
Fund Sports for handicapped people. John Merryweather received twice the
"Order van Oranje" (A recognition by Queen Beatrix for being an
outstanding citizen.)
John Merryweather was married to Oncha Arends and got 4 daughters and one
son (Herbert My dad) and got divorced shortly after there last one was
born.
After the divorce John Merryweather (My grand father). got married with a
john girl named Stella and got 1 son called Mickeljohn. in Aruba there is
only 5 real Merryweather,s and all have a lot of things in common. there
is Sidney Merryweather which is my cousin son of one of the daughters of
John in his 1st marage. Herbert (my dad) and Herbert (my brother) and I
(Philip).
Source=Philip Conrad Merryweather



Did San write this resume? 

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 01:49:57 AM
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on April 02, 2011, 01:53:51 AM
Re: picture of expensive car

Doesn't looks as if it was taken in Aruba. Looks GA or VA to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 02, 2011, 01:58:37 AM
Francine and Herbert Merryweather

(from Herbie and Carolina's wedding in June of last year)

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/Herbert_FrancineMerryweather.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/HerbertMerryweather.jpg)

Francine does look quite lovely in the wedding pictures.

Yes she does, I thought it was interesting that I never saw John Merryweather in any of the wedding pictures...and I looked at hundreds of them.

Have you seen him anywhere else?  Maybe he has had a stroke or something and they
put hin in a home.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 02:04:25 AM
Francine and Herbert Merryweather

(from Herbie and Carolina's wedding in June of last year)

www.facebook.com

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/Herbert_FrancineMerryweather.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/HerbertMerryweather.jpg)

Francine does look quite lovely in the wedding pictures.

Yes she does, I thought it was interesting that I never saw John Merryweather in any of the wedding pictures...and I looked at hundreds of them.

Have you seen him anywhere else?  Maybe he has had a stroke or something and they
put hin in a home.

He's been in the news lately sitting beside Jan van der Straten, even admitting he had an addiction himself in the past...now he's the president of the new National Drug Council in Aruba!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.msg1317261#msg1317261


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 02:14:44 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 02:15:36 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 02, 2011, 08:50:05 AM
http://www.xtal.info/merryweather/data/mer2688.html

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba


Auther A pictorial résumé of natural, historical and cultural monuments
of Aruba / by John W. Merryweather. - Aruba : De Wit Stores, 1972. - 56
p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Merryweather's in Aruba 2004
MERRYWEATHER DEBORAH LYNN HUBADASTRAAT 26
MERRYWEATHER ELIZABETH MARIE BYRONSTRAAT 9
MERRYWEATHER EVELINE CLOTHILDE ADRIAAN LACLE BLVD. 6
MERRYWEATHER HERBERT SYDNEY ALTO VISTA 116
MERRYWEATHER JOHN WILLIAM BUBALI 113-C
MERRYWEATHER-DE LANNOY FRANCINE MARIE JEANETTE ALTO VISTA 116
During WWII, John Merryweather was sent to an expensive boarding school
in Jamaica. In 1986 John Merryweather was nominated as a minister to
represent Aruba in Holland. He was responsible for the students of Aruba
living in Holland, and he was the contact person for all the economic
affairs. for 3 1/2 years John Merryweather was director of the national
Fund Sports for handicapped people. John Merryweather received twice the
"Order van Oranje" (A recognition by Queen Beatrix for being an
outstanding citizen.)
John Merryweather was married to Oncha Arends and got 4 daughters and one
son (Herbert My dad) and got divorced shortly after there last one was
born.
After the divorce John Merryweather (My grand father). got married with a
john girl named Stella and got 1 son called Mickeljohn. in Aruba there is
only 5 real Merryweather,s and all have a lot of things in common. there
is Sidney Merryweather which is my cousin son of one of the daughters of
John in his 1st marage. Herbert (my dad) and Herbert (my brother) and I
(Philip).
Source=Philip Conrad Merryweather



Did San write this resume? 

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba   ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 02, 2011, 09:07:43 AM



Did San write this resume? 

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba   ::MonkeyDevil::
[/quote]


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 02, 2011, 09:36:06 AM



Did San write this resume?  

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather  
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba   ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
[/quote]


 :smt044 :smt044
(Laughing as I wipe coffee off lappy screen)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Anna on April 02, 2011, 09:40:37 AM

texasmom -  ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You have my silent thanks every day!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyKiss::




And mine as well. . . I don't always log in but I do try to read and keep up with what is going on there and it is always plenty and none of it good!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Anna on April 02, 2011, 09:51:08 AM
Deepak is tempted by the offer to make money.  He feels uncomfortable with keying information using the computer; he would be interested in discussing the project in person.  Garrison is interested in getting at the truth; Deepak doesn't have the answer to the puzzle.  It's about him--with a mention of Natalee and family.  So, no deal.  Is that it?

Thank you, Klaas, for your willingness to spend so much of your time on these documents for us.  Hope that Pete gives you a few extra kisses this weekend.

Yeah, Deepak would do a book if it was about him (like anyone cares)  ::MonkeyCool::


Thank you, Klaas, as always for all the work you did on this and for all you have done throughout the years in this regard.

Deepak is just as big of a sociopath as Joran to think anybody would be even remotely interested in his loser little life if not for his connection to this most infamous crime.  They seem to have difficulty even being in touch with realiuty on that flyspeck of nowhere they call home.  Totally delusional to think himself of any interest whatsoever other than his brush with infamy.  Hated, yes.  Interesting, not in the least.

I have always referred to them as garden-variety punks and stand by this even more as their totally unremarkable lives unfold over the years.  Like most CRIMINALS (they and their mother hate that word-hahaha) they are completely devoid of anything other than their crimes and sick, sick practices with regard to matters of the opposite sex.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Anna on April 02, 2011, 10:03:58 AM
Who is John Merryweather kidding?  He was instrumental in leading the protests against Beth, feeble and obviously orchestrated (and likely paid for--this is Aruba after all) that they were.

So good to see that whole family get theirs!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:06:54 AM

texasmom -  ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

You have my silent thanks every day!  Thank you!   ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyKiss::




And mine as well. . . I don't always log in but I do try to read and keep up with what is going on there and it is always plenty and none of it good!

::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::

I feel confident we don't ever see a lot of what goes on there.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:10:55 AM
Deepak is tempted by the offer to make money.  He feels uncomfortable with keying information using the computer; he would be interested in discussing the project in person.  Garrison is interested in getting at the truth; Deepak doesn't have the answer to the puzzle.  It's about him--with a mention of Natalee and family.  So, no deal.  Is that it?

Thank you, Klaas, for your willingness to spend so much of your time on these documents for us.  Hope that Pete gives you a few extra kisses this weekend.

Yeah, Deepak would do a book if it was about him (like anyone cares)  ::MonkeyCool::


Thank you, Klaas, as always for all the work you did on this and for all you have done throughout the years in this regard.

Deepak is just as big of a sociopath as Joran to think anybody would be even remotely interested in his loser little life if not for his connection to this most infamous crime.  They seem to have difficulty even being in touch with realiuty on that flyspeck of nowhere they call home.  Totally delusional to think himself of any interest whatsoever other than his brush with infamy.  Hated, yes.  Interesting, not in the least.

I have always referred to them as garden-variety punks and stand by this even more as their totally unremarkable lives unfold over the years.  Like most CRIMINALS (they and their mother hate that word-hahaha) they are completely devoid of anything other than their crimes and sick, sick practices with regard to matters of the opposite sex.

So true, all of it.   ::MonkeyCool::

And my thanks to Klaas as well, I don't say it enough!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 10:19:16 AM
Hi Anna - good to see you!

The more time goes by the more obvious how high up the crooks are in Aruba.  The entire island is run by crooks and so commonplace the non-crooks don't think it's wrong.  All that matters is $$ and protecting their precious tourist, drug and money laundering dollars.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:22:38 AM
Who is John Merryweather kidding?  He was instrumental in leading the protests against Beth, feeble and obviously orchestrated (and likely paid for--this is Aruba after all) that they were.

So good to see that whole family get theirs!

Absolutely!  I'll be watching to see what actually comes of it all.  Surely this has gone on for many many years so I've been wondering "why" now????  IIRC there was a recent investigation into at least one person in the "tax office" that I saw in the news...I don't think I posted about it at the time because the investigations into those embezzling and/or committing fraud are almost too many to keep up with these days.  But now I'm wondering if that investigation (or maybe others) has anything to do with the recent events with the Merryweather's? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:24:34 AM
Hi Anna - good to see you!

The more time goes by the more obvious how high up the crooks are in Aruba.  The entire island is run by crooks and so commonplace the non-crooks don't think it's wrong.  All that matters is $$ and protecting their precious tourist, drug and money laundering dollars.

That sums it up so well imo.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 11:03:11 AM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/29692-detencion-di-tata-y-yiu-merryweather-prolonga-y-nan-ta-sera-pa-pocision-ilegal-di-arma-solamente.html

Papiamentu translation:

detencion of father y child surname m. prolonga y they're close for pocision ilegal of arm only

friday, 01 april 2011 12:54

the accion the week on family m. was more bien on fraude of tax. in the razzia at various lugar at aruba y also colombia owing to achieve arm. at the cas at alto vista owing to achieve armanan cual according the son is cosnan cu the is colecta. armanan old-fashioned cu seems not they not know self if this is funciona. so advocate chris lejuez owing to splica also. of another near the father m. they owing to achieve one pistol cu the was have in cas. the not have permission pe. is one amigo of dje cu owing to go merca y cu today owing to fayece end owing to lage behind pe. past owing to dune for her defende his self the time yonder because in door of they cas his senjora owing to become victima of atraco at alto vista. berdad owing to confisca very much documento relaciona cu the investigacion but the father cu child is deteni for pocision of arm without permission. they owing to present close fiscal diabierna morning y owing to prolonga they detencion cu 8 day more. huez comisario also owing to miranan because wanted owing to see cu the detencion owing to march the caminda legal y corecto. for thing is the father, in the caso here will wordo send kia. the have problem cu his back y will wordo send kia because eynan have one mihor espacio for her can sosega. contrario at custumber the two sospechosonan owing to being treci at ministerio publico self.

 ::snipping2::


Looks like there was some special consideration for Herbert Merryweather's back problems...  ::MonkeyRoll::

Thought this comment was interesting too...

 ::snipping2::

scirbi for marylee, april 01, 2011
then is chris lejuez is they advocate? neither mucho day happen also the jui of chris they owing to hanja his b oto hoof claw of drugs, y con owing to stop cu the caso ey? if m ino is hera the boat (jate) jama and love aruba. +3 come across...
 ::snipping2::

I'd posted about that here...wonder if anything will ever come of it????

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.msg1312038#msg1312038



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Anna on April 02, 2011, 11:06:23 AM
There was an interview very early on of a woman who said that Natalee should never have gotten into that car with those boys, blah, blah blah--totally grey haried women.  I seem to remember her as a Gladys Merryweather or some such name and allegedly the wife of John.

Anyone else recall this?  It was such a glaring case of blaming the victim is why it stood out in my mind.

Yeah, for certain, tourists should never have anything to do with anybody in Aruba as it can cost you your life.  Death seems a pretty harsh sentence to me for sharing a taxi back to a hotel.  Despicable old hag and I may be wrong totally about the name after all this time and even the connection but that's how I remember it.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 11:42:12 AM
Klaas

Do the documents actually state that Beth Holloway had knowledge of what the Kalpoes' attorneys perceived as the manipulation of the Phil McGraw recording?

I believe the definition of that allegation would be "defamation of character".

Janet

++++++

Beth Holloway dragged into Dr. Phil lawsuit
Published: 3/16 7:25 am
Updated: 3/16 7:41 am


Birmingham, Al  (CBS42)  Beth Holloway will have to do a deposition in a lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil according to documents cited by the website TMZ.

<snipped>

The lawsuit claims Beth Holloway was privy to information "surrounding the motives and production of the show."  

Lawyers for Dr. Phil and CBS say they only fought the deposition because it would slow down action on their motion to dismiss the lawsuit.  According to TMZ, the judge in the case is proceeding with both the deposition and consideration of the motion to dismiss

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-dragged-into-Dr-Phil-lawsuit/jmg9Nn_al0yExRHHa--mrg.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 12:24:49 PM
There was an interview very early on of a woman who said that Natalee should never have gotten into that car with those boys, blah, blah blah--totally grey haried women.  I seem to remember her as a Gladys Merryweather or some such name and allegedly the wife of John.

Anyone else recall this?  It was such a glaring case of blaming the victim is why it stood out in my mind.

Yeah, for certain, tourists should never have anything to do with anybody in Aruba as it can cost you your life.  Death seems a pretty harsh sentence to me for sharing a taxi back to a hotel.  Despicable old hag and I may be wrong totally about the name after all this time and even the connection but that's how I remember it.



It's not ringing a bell with me Anna, but maybe it will with others.  When I think of the Merryweather's, other than John's infuriating interviews on MSN I remember his daughter Lienchi (Evelyn/Eveline) leading the protest against the chollers when Michael Saladin was in jail.

I do know that one of John Merryweathers wives was Oncha Arends, and his current wife is Stella Merryweather.

I remember Lienchi Merryweather (John's daughter)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 12:30:02 PM
There was an interview very early on of a woman who said that Natalee should never have gotten into that car with those boys, blah, blah blah--totally grey haried women.  I seem to remember her as a Gladys Merryweather or some such name and allegedly the wife of John.

Anyone else recall this?  It was such a glaring case of blaming the victim is why it stood out in my mind.

Yeah, for certain, tourists should never have anything to do with anybody in Aruba as it can cost you your life.  Death seems a pretty harsh sentence to me for sharing a taxi back to a hotel.  Despicable old hag and I may be wrong totally about the name after all this time and even the connection but that's how I remember it.



It's not ringing a bell with me Anna, but maybe it will with others.  When I think of the Merryweather's, other than John's infuriating interviews on MSN I remember his daughter Lienchi (Evelyn/Eveline) leading the protest against the chollers when Michael Saladin was in jail.

I do know that one of John Merryweathers wives was Oncha Arends, and his current wife is Stella Merryweather.

( :oops: oops...started a thought and then changed it to the above but didn't erase it...lol)

edit   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 12:31:52 PM
Klaas

Was the editor of the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording required to give a deposition testimony?  Has he/she been identified?

I must be missing something.  It makes sense to me that the editor's deposition  testimony taken under oath as well as a professional comparison of Phil McGraw's recording with Skeeters' hard drive recording would be the catalyst which would answer the questions ... "Was the recording edited?" ... "Was the recording manipulated?"

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 12:54:41 PM
http://www.xtal.info/merryweather/data/mer2688.html

Notes for John William Merryweather:

    Name: John William Merryweather 
    Born: May 30, 1932 pos, Aruba


Auther A pictorial résumé of natural, historical and cultural monuments
of Aruba / by John W. Merryweather. - Aruba : De Wit Stores, 1972. - 56
p. : ill. ; 25 cm.
Merryweather's in Aruba 2004
MERRYWEATHER DEBORAH LYNN HUBADASTRAAT 26
MERRYWEATHER ELIZABETH MARIE BYRONSTRAAT 9
MERRYWEATHER EVELINE CLOTHILDE ADRIAAN LACLE BLVD. 6
MERRYWEATHER HERBERT SYDNEY ALTO VISTA 116
MERRYWEATHER JOHN WILLIAM BUBALI 113-C
MERRYWEATHER-DE LANNOY FRANCINE MARIE JEANETTE ALTO VISTA 116
During WWII, John Merryweather was sent to an expensive boarding school
in Jamaica. In 1986 John Merryweather was nominated as a minister to
represent Aruba in Holland. He was responsible for the students of Aruba
living in Holland, and he was the contact person for all the economic
affairs. for 3 1/2 years John Merryweather was director of the national
Fund Sports for handicapped people. John Merryweather received twice the
"Order van Oranje" (A recognition by Queen Beatrix for being an
outstanding citizen.)
John Merryweather was married to Oncha Arends and got 4 daughters and one
son (Herbert My dad) and got divorced shortly after there last one was
born.
After the divorce John Merryweather (My grand father). got married with a
john girl named Stella and got 1 son called Mickeljohn. in Aruba there is
only 5 real Merryweather,s and all have a lot of things in common. there
is Sidney Merryweather which is my cousin son of one of the daughters of
John in his 1st marage. Herbert (my dad) and Herbert (my brother) and I
(Philip).
Source=Philip Conrad Merryweather


Arends!!

Natalee Holloway Connections
-Dilma Arends Geerman
-Sarah E. Arends-Mansur
-Max Arends
-Judith Arends

++++

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 6
updated 4/7/2006 12:15:41 PM ET


RITA COSBY, HOST:  What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig?  Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection?  And the fact—it was interesting.  When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER:  Well, you know, it’s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig.  So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 01:26:32 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::

This was just filed on the 30th and made available today.  You have to wonder what was on the WRONG flash drive, LOL (backseatbangers?):
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/5582132637_3a1484e388_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5253/5582717856_b752da0e3f_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 03:00:15 PM
 
 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260





(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7985/comparisonofcageatmerry.png)
COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 02, 2011, 03:01:55 PM
::MonkeyDevil::

This was just filed on the 30th and made available today.  You have to wonder what was on the WRONG flash drive, LOL (backseatbangers?):
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/5582132637_3a1484e388_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5253/5582717856_b752da0e3f_b.jpg)



UH...OH!!! Now the Kalpoes will claim their counsel is incompetent!!  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 02, 2011, 03:03:21 PM

 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260





(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7985/comparisonofcageatmerry.png)
COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???




Now we're getting somewhere!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
Philip and his family not only had access to a number of different cages and traps, I'd bet they are the cause of the huge BOA problem and the sighting of lions. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 03:20:59 PM

 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260





(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7985/comparisonofcageatmerry.png)
COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???




Now we're getting somewhere!!!  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 03:23:40 PM

MERRYWEATHER, John…. Aruban. 73 years old. Has lived on Aruba “a long time.” Admitted he is good friends with “the police commissioner” (DOMPIG), and he knows several high-ranking, more senior persons within the police department.



Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:06 pm   Post subject:
Oh okay. I did tell Red and Tom that they could post this here, as in on the message boards, but not on the site itself, because my mom would kill me if she saw this on a website, and she's reading SM now.

Anyway, remember John Merryweather, evil incarnate and my mom's cousin? He has a son, named Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather. Herbert is married and has a son, but I don't know his name.
The mother of this son came to talk to my mom day before yesterday and it turns out that her son is a classmate of Joran's.

So, got it, grandson Merryweather is Joran's classmate. Turns out that that grandson and mom had a major clash with Joran some time before, because Joran accused grandson of killing Joran's dog and throwing it in Moko Dam (place where TX ES also searched), however, the mother threatened to go the cops to make a complaint against Joran, and the Joran confessed to killing his own dog.
_________________





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 03:26:21 PM

 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260





(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7985/comparisonofcageatmerry.png)
COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???



 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 03:29:59 PM
RIBBIT!!

Ribbit ribbit and ... ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit shoe fly shoe pie ribbit ribbit but ... ribbit ribbit Brandi ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit ribbit pond ribbit Veggie ribbit ... ribbit border guards ribbit and .... ribbit shoot ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit large aquarium ribbit.

 ::FlyingFrog::

Janet



RIBBIT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 03:33:37 PM
Kermit

Do you have the approximate measurements of the cages?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 03:39:05 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/profile.jpg)

This picture always brings the Merryweather's to mind for me.  Until I know who everyone is in it and eliminate them...I'll always wonder.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/profile-1.jpg)

This one in particular favors the young Herbie IMO.

Again...JMO.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
FLASHBACK: THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL

December, 2007

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kermit


January, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
Herby Merryweather is captain of a boat named "Dorothy".
http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_dorothy_.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 03:52:46 PM
RIBBIT!!

Ribbit ribbit and ... ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit shoe fly shoe pie ribbit ribbit but ... ribbit ribbit Brandi ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit ribbit pond ribbit Veggie ribbit ... ribbit border guards ribbit and .... ribbit shoot ribbit.  Ribbit ribbit large aquarium ribbit.

 ::FlyingFrog::

Janet

I saw that......made me laugh the other day. ::MonkeyDevil::



RIBBIT


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 03:53:53 PM
Kermit

Do you have the approximate measurements of the cages?

Thanks

Janet

I don't know what the cages sizes are out at that zoo in the Merryweather compound. But Kyle posted the cage size here and in that post above.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/profile.jpg)

This picture always brings the Merryweather's to mind for me.  Until I know who everyone is in it and eliminate them...I'll always wonder.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/profile-1.jpg)

This one in particular favors the young Herbie IMO.

Again...JMO.



looks to be wearing a visitor badge so that ain't no crew member.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 04:00:23 PM
The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders. The Task Force continues to support the Holloway/Twitty families and will continue to offer support in their search for Natalee Holloway.

Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:
Myrna Jansen, chairperson Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk Department of Foreign Affairs 
Frits Israel Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members
Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

Contributing participants
Helen Bautista Fitzgerald and Co.
Kelly Marshal Fitzgerald and Co.
Florence Quinn Quinn and Co.

What we do

The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba. The Task Force believes that it is very important to keep the community at large well informed of the latest developments.
http://www.aruba.com/holloway/taskforce.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 04:06:24 PM
Kermit

Do you have the approximate measurements of the cages?

Thanks

Janet

I don't know what the cages sizes are out at that zoo in the Merryweather compound. But Kyle posted the cage size here and in that post above.


My FIL was commercial fisherman.  Hubby took a boo at the trap images which DIL just emailed me.  His opinion is that the trap that may have held Natalee's remains was a fish trap; not an animal cage.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 04:07:49 PM
The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders. The Task Force continues to support the Holloway/Twitty families and will continue to offer support in their search for Natalee Holloway.

Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:
Myrna Jansen, chairperson Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk Department of Foreign Affairs 
Frits Israel Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members
Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

Contributing participants
Helen Bautista Fitzgerald and Co.
Kelly Marshal Fitzgerald and Co.
Florence Quinn Quinn and Co.

What we do

The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba. The Task Force believes that it is very important to keep the community at large well informed of the latest developments.
http://www.aruba.com/holloway/taskforce.htm

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 04:11:20 PM
The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders. The Task Force continues to support the Holloway/Twitty families and will continue to offer support in their search for Natalee Holloway.

Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:
Myrna Jansen, chairperson Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk Department of Foreign Affairs 
Frits Israel Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members
Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

Contributing participants
Helen Bautista Fitzgerald and Co.
Kelly Marshal Fitzgerald and Co.
Florence Quinn Quinn and Co.

What we do

The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba. The Task Force believes that it is very important to keep the community at large well informed of the latest developments.
http://www.aruba.com/holloway/taskforce.htm


Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Exerpt

Page 157/158
: No one is breathing. Or Moving. Reporters and camera people are crying. The media hve been here more than a month, and they’ve seen firsthand what we’ve experienced. They are moved by this plea. But some of the Arubans are not. Calling their local sons “criminals” offends them. Having just heard the prosecuting attorney tell us at least one of the Kalpoes could be involved in whatever happened to my daughter. I felt the term seemed appropriate. But it led to an abrupt change in the tide of support.

<snipped>

Not long after the “criminals speech,” some Arubans back off their prayer vigils for Natalee. A few protest in the streets against the barage of negative media. We’ve worn out our welcome at the Holiday Inn. And they let us know they’ve had it. The Aruban Tourism Authority (ATA), the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA), the Aruba Trade and Industry Association and a scattering of island officials establish the Strategic Communications Task Force to combat the negative media. And to combat us.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 04:23:29 PM

<snipped>

January, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit

It would appear the Arubans assumed complete control of not only the content of the trap but the trap itself.  Could it be that Aruba did not want the Americans on board the Persistence asking the hard questions in regards to the orgins of the trap?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 05:34:53 PM

The Trap

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »


I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260


jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
« Reply #1854 on: December 08, 2009, 07:07:04 PM »


Kyle Kingman posts

<snipped>
 
March 18, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
 
This trap was not lowered by crane, or whatever because it wasn't situated in a position that demonstrated "lowering", unless one end was really weighted down? I would think the ropes etc, to the crane would level it?

Lowering by a windlass or winch would not explain the impact depression from one corner of the trap.  If it were leveled, one would assume it would fall level.  This is further supported because the 4-point rigging was still on the trap.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6268.msg1030568#msg1030568



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 02, 2011, 05:40:53 PM

 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260





(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7985/comparisonofcageatmerry.png)
COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???




This is very interesting Kermie! Thanks!  ::FlyingFrog::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 06:26:01 PM
Herby Merryweather is captain of a boat named "Dorothy".
http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_dorothy_.html



Kermit

Could it be that unknown to the suspect who made the June 10th  confession ... Natalee Holloway's remains had been moved from the lighthouse/Arashi Beach area ... placed within a fish trap which was transported by boat a short distance out to sea ... transported to a location that ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words aligned with the Arashi Beach and ... then thrown overboard?

-  Is there a Merryweather connection to the cage?
-  Is there a Merryweather connection to the boat?
-  Is there a Merryweather connection to the Arashi Beach area?

+++++++

The June 10th Confession

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


Higher Powers

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem


PATRICK: Where the f--- is she Joran?
JORAN: I don’t know precisely.
PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?
JORAN: Yea—
PATRICK: Higher power?
JORAN: Higher power—powers


Persistence Find - Arashi Beach

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman
:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 06:57:22 PM

<snipped>

January, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit

It would appear the Arubans assumed complete control of not only the content of the trap but the trap itself.  Could it be that Aruba did not want the Americans on board the Persistence asking the hard questions in regards to the orgins of the trap?

Janet

(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7161/whywhoisbehindkalpoelaw.png)

Any questions as to WHO IS BEHIND THE LAWSUIT are now answered.


 ::Baseball::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 06:59:01 PM

 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260





(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7985/comparisonofcageatmerry.png)
COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???




This is very interesting Kermie! Thanks!  ::FlyingFrog::

No credit to me. ALL CREDIT to my cohort FBI guy. FBI= Fuzzy Bear Investigator ::monkeywine2::.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 07:21:44 PM

(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7161/whywhoisbehindkalpoelaw.png)

Any questions as to WHO IS BEHIND THE LAWSUIT are now answered.


 ::Baseball::


Kermit

No questions in regards to the Aruban financial backers who are behind the defamation lawsuit filed against Phil McGraw.  Attorney Charles Babcock has no doubt.

However ... I do question in regards to what foundation did the Aruban financial backers derive from which convinced them that they had even a remote chance of winning.  It was a given that there was no way Phil McGraw would settle if he had not "manipulated" the recording that his viewing audience was privy to.  The truth contained within Skeeters' hard drive was on his side.

Janet

+++++


Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


McGraw and two Surinamese brothers in the Natalee Holloway case may be up in the air at the moment. However, the TV star's attorney is in a take-no-prisoners mood responding to recent media articles that suggest his side is losing.

"The problem with these f---ing things [is] they get a life of their own," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told AOL News.

<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 07:27:35 PM
PHILIP'S ANIMAL GARDEN, Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Xyc8gZXz8


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 07:55:54 PM
PHILIP'S ANIMAL GARDEN, Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Xyc8gZXz8

That was just uploaded a couple weeks ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 02, 2011, 08:27:29 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 08:32:59 PM
If I understand that correctly, Liliana Mathew has been allowed to go to her mother's in the U. S.

http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/fb.jpg
 ::snipping2::

(enlarged)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Aruba%20Misc/04022011_Diario_LilianaMathewtoAmerica.jpg)

http://www.diario.aw/2011/04/famoso-abogado-hulandes-awe-lo-defende-matthew-den-corte/

 ::snipping2::

One Response to 'Famoso abogado Hulandes awe lo defende Matthew den Corte'

April 1, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Frequent flyer
wow … now where would this guy get the money to pay Uncle Bram to come all the way to Aruba to represent him?

http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/01-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz in Aruba

ORANGE CITY - Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz is the courthouse where the pro forma session today in the Foxy Lady case took place. Left, right Prosecutor Lars Stempher inside. Moszkowicz represents four to five months since Alex Mathew, owner of strip club
Foxy Lady in San Nicolas. On December 17, 2010 there was also a pro forma hearing held in this case. Then Mathew represented by attorney John Zara. After the previous hearing was told on April 1, 2011 dealing with the case would occur, but this was again a pro forma session.
::snipping2::
Mathew is accused of trafficking, exploitation, threats, assault, rape, abuse and several other serious crimes.
::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 02, 2011, 08:41:01 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102


http://www.flickr.com/photos/71621081@N00/59425084


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 02, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102
Also a good catch!!!  ::MonkeyCool:: Ithink Kermit is on to something!!!!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 08:48:19 PM
Part of Deepak's depostion:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5583153797_6827903998_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5583741796_298d75f94e_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5181/5583153871_21e309b9f1_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 08:51:11 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102


http://www.flickr.com/photos/71621081@N00/59425084

There is a Dorothy Fishing Charter in Aruba but not registered to Merryweather:

http://www.worldwidefishing.com/aruba/b3161/index.html?page_type=salt&state_page=aruba&company=Dorothy+Fishing+Charters+Aruba (http://www.worldwidefishing.com/aruba/b3161/index.html?page_type=salt&state_page=aruba&company=Dorothy+Fishing+Charters+Aruba)

DOROTHY FISHING/ROBERTO B. TROMP
 
Business address    DRIEMASTERSTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form    SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company    DOROTHY FISHING/ROBERTO B. TROMP
Date of commencement    1 JANUARY 1996
     
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS
TROMP, ROBERTO BENANCIO;
   
Born in    ARUBA on 1 APRIL 1949
Nationality    DUTCH
Position    OWNER
Effective    2 FEBRUARY 1996
Authority    FULL
 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 08:52:43 PM
http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/dorothy_charters.html

Aruba Fishing

Dorothy Charters

Dorothy is a 34 ft. fishing boat manned by Captain Herby Merryweather. For a great fishing trip that is sure to reel in a big smile if not a big fish, contact one of the telephone numbers below.

Half day: US $320 Included soda.
Full day: US $600 Included: soda and food.

Sorry - had forgotten he was just the Captain  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 08:56:48 PM
http://www.arubapearl.com/Activities-Water-Beaches-Snorkeling-Aruba.shtml

"Driftwood" (Deluxe)
Capt. Herby Merryweather
Length: 35 ft.
Tel (297) 587-7473 / (297) 583-2515


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 08:58:22 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

HERBERT MERRYWEATHER
 
Business address    ALTO VISTA 116, NOORD
Legal form    SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company    HERBERT MERRYWEATHER
Date of commencement    4 FEBRUARY 2005
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS
MERRYWEATHER, HERBERT SYDNEY;
   
Born in    CANADA, MONTREAL on 6 DECEMBER 1954
Nationality    DUTCH
Position    OWNER
Effective    4 FEBRUARY 2005
Authority    FULL


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 09:01:30 PM
Hmmmmm very interesting.  A horse connection  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269

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Reymidas De Monte Verde. He was owned by Herby Merryweather and he was here for a year or more, I'm not sure. My friend has a filly by him, very fast, but very lazy and VERY short. There are two more Reymidas offspring here. One that came from Curacao is looking very promissing. And contrary to my friend's mare is TALL and has brio. I'll post some pics later of them


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 09:03:46 PM
http://www.suscaballos.net/foros/index.php?topic=13003.0;wap2

Thru translator, Spanish to English:


** MAXIMUM ASDESILLA CHAMPION AND DEFEAT IN STAINED GLASS ROSE **

(1 / 1)

4 Times:
Many congratulations to my friend Herby Merryweather of Aruba and the kennel owner Alto Vista for this very good win.

The horse returned Alto Vista Maximo handling of her shawl Adolfo Montoya who put him back in his spot and beat the very good horse also Vitral La Rosa on two occasions, the cetagoria and the championship. Not only that, also defeated Independiente which is one of Colombia's current promises.

The horse for me was the best presentation in his career and if I say so is to give a good fight among the best. Already confirmed for the Classic in R.D. so a lot of quality but to give this competition.

Once again congratulations!

Rey Rodriguez


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 09:05:12 PM
http://www.elbuenpixel.com/forwards/tera_news/page/3



(http://www.elbuenpixel.com/forwards/tera_news/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Maximo-y-Herby.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/deporte-mainmenu-7/21965-ta-anticipa-un-mainbout-entre-maximo-y-melao-of-ritmico-y-escandalo-durante-interpaso-2010.html (http://www.24ora.com/deporte-mainmenu-7/21965-ta-anticipa-un-mainbout-entre-maximo-y-melao-of-ritmico-y-escandalo-durante-interpaso-2010.html)

 ::snipping2::

E guera grandi di fin di siman tin su enfoke riba e competencia di paso fino, caminda den macho cabaynan di taya mundial ta bin topa otro riba suela Arubiano. Den macho tin un mainbout silencioso formando entre cabaynan cu ya tin un trayectoria grandi di campeonato nan tras. E ciruhano Dr. Alvaro Arana di Cali a tuma e riesgo di bin competi cu su cabay “Melao de Caña”, sabiendo cu e lo enfrenta, cu tambe riba e mesun vuelo, e cabay di hopi campeonato “Maximo de Alto Vista” de Herby Merryweather.

“Melao” ta yiu di e famoso Dulce Sueño den Berenjena, cu ta un di e miho padrotenan di Colombia y ta bin cu un record di a gana varios gran campeonato. “Maximo”, siendo yiu di Capuchino, e padrot di mas renombra di tur tempo no ta baha cabes den rasa y sigur no cu un mama manera Carioca. E cabay a bira entre otro Gran Campeon di e feria di Medellin na 2007 y Gran Campeon Reservado di e Feria Metropolitano. Aña pasa el a bira prome den e Clasico del Paso Fino de las Americas celebra na Republica Dominicana.

Si esey no ta suficiente tin dos otro contendor serio cu tambe ta aspirando un posicion den e mainbout. “Ritmico” di Alex Mansur ta wardando trankil na Aruba pa enfrenta loke ta biniendo. Aki nos por menciona e cabay “Escandalo” procedente di Medellin cu despues di un bon actuacion na Merca y biaha pa Colombia y awor ta yegando Aruba for di Colombia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 09:18:06 PM
Just one more reason Joran tried his best to get to KIA in Aruba????   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Really?  Facebooking from KIA?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Guess if they can get away with that...online Poker wouldn't be a problem at all, maybe talking to mommy dearest and Aline all the time...making his special requests for items to be brought in at the next "visit" etc...hell they probably even get furloughs for Sunday dinner!

  ::pullinghairout::

Maybe it's not really him posting, maybe Liliana?  But still!   ::MonkeyMad::

I don't know if he's guilty of what he's being accused of or not, but regardless he shouldn't be allowed to be on social pages while he's in jail.  JMO

Interesting though...he has one very familiar sympathizer.... ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.facebook.com/foxyladyaruba?sk=wall

Edwardo Mathew
Today was a very good day!
22 hours ago ·

http://www.facebook.com/notes/edwardo-mathew/lies-spread-re-the-razzia-at-the-kia-on-monday-march-28th/199982680034783



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 09:25:29 PM
Hmmmmm very interesting.  A horse connection  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269

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Reymidas De Monte Verde. He was owned by Herby Merryweather and he was here for a year or more, I'm not sure. My friend has a filly by him, very fast, but very lazy and VERY short. There are two more Reymidas offspring here. One that came from Curacao is looking very promissing. And contrary to my friend's mare is TALL and has brio. I'll post some pics later of them

I think they have a "farm" in Colombia where the horses are raised.  I have a picture somewhere I'll see if I can find it, can't really tell much about the place from it but iirc the caption said it was taken there.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 09:28:23 PM
http://www.facebook.com/notes/edwardo-mathew/prisoners-severly-beaten-at-kia-hidden-from-their-attorney/191073507592367



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 09:33:28 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102


http://www.flickr.com/photos/71621081@N00/59425084

Thanks Buckeye!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 09:38:04 PM
Part of Deepak's depostion:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5583153797_6827903998_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5583741796_298d75f94e_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5181/5583153871_21e309b9f1_b.jpg)

Can you say....BOMBSHELL?!!!!

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyGavel::

NFE! OMG!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I bet even poor little Satish would have know those initials...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 09:46:44 PM
Thanks Klaas

Deepak's testimony convinces me beyond a doubt that this multi million dollar defamation lawsuit is financially backed by Aruban interests ... Aruban interests who are taking advantage of what is perceived as wrongdoing by Phil McGraw against the Kalpoes.  In other words ... the Kalpoes are pawns ... the Kalpoes are a means to an end and ... the Kalpoes are out of the loop.

It makes sense ... that this huge lawsuit was not filed based on media, talk show and internet ramblings.  There has to be what Aruban financial backers consider a credible foundation.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 09:49:01 PM
I think the actual posts started on this page about the time Liliana was released from KIA (iirc), so I bet it's her and not actually him.

JMO

http://www.facebook.com/foxyladyaruba?sk=wall

 ::snipping2::


Jomar Dist Eduardo, honestly i could care less what you did or didn't do,... what i want to know is,... if you are locked up,.. what the hell and how in the name of God can you post on FB, read your mail and all of that,...
If you are innocent or not,... do you think it is fair for people who have not commited a "crime" to pay for a prisoner to have a good life in prison??

i work very hard for my money (which still isn't enough) and am i suppose to be happy or sad for the prisoners??

i don't think so,...

like i said before,... i don't know or care if you are innocent or not, but it is not fair for me that i have to pay taxes for ANY prisoner to be able to go online while being locked up,...

maybe you may be innocent due to a technicality, but somewhere and somehow you must have some guilt, otherwise you where not even supposed to be in this position...

like they say,... innocent till proven guilty, but it is also guilty till proven innocent...

i wish you the best of luck if you are innocent, but if you are guilty, then you should accept it and man up to your guilt..
February 21 at 11:33am · Like


Edwardo Mathew So Jomar, what do you think you’re the only one that has to pay taxes??? Cuz taxes are beign paid from this end as well and a hell of a lot of taxes too. In fact I can assure you a lot more then you… As for being innocent due to a technicality, and not being in this position unless guilty of something; do your homework on Aruba’s justice system or shall I say lack there of and then get back to me on that!
February 21 at 9:13pm · Like

Jomar Dist Edwardo,... don't get me wrong,... i don't know if you are guilty or not,.. like i said,.. i wish you the best of luck, but i still wonder how is it posible that you are online,... especially at this hour,.. how do you do it??? don't you think, and be honest,.. do you think you should be allowed to have internet while in jail?? we are not talking about you now, we are talking about the fact that a prisoner has all that luxury??

please be honest!!!

as a matter of fact,.. i was in Foxy lady once,.. it wasn't that bad,... but that's besides my point now,...

again... i wish you luck,.. really,..

but answer my question...

as to lack or not of the justice system... well you are right,.. it sucks,.. and that's why you see people who have been caught with tons of drugs and what do they get?? a few months... or what do you say of the child molestor, let's not get in to that... i agree,.. they need to do something about it,.. but then again,... it could have been worst for you... atleast you are online... which is
still amazing to me...
February 21 at 10:55pm · Like
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 09:52:25 PM
Yeah, I think it's her.  Even the way that Kath is talking to her.  IMO, Kath is making a mistake about Matthews.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 02, 2011, 10:04:47 PM
Part of Deepak's depostion:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5583153797_6827903998_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5583741796_298d75f94e_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5181/5583153871_21e309b9f1_b.jpg)

Can you say....BOMBSHELL?!!!!

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyGavel::

NFE! OMG!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I bet even poor little Satish would have know those initials...  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::
Geeesh!! How do you bring a suit on when you don't have any evidence of "manipulation" other than "hearsay" from media reports of a Dutch entity that you can't even get the name correct????????????????????????????????  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 10:12:50 PM
TM - what day were Philip and Herby detained?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:16:23 PM
Hmmmmm very interesting.  A horse connection  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269

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Reymidas De Monte Verde. He was owned by Herby Merryweather and he was here for a year or more, I'm not sure. My friend has a filly by him, very fast, but very lazy and VERY short. There are two more Reymidas offspring here. One that came from Curacao is looking very promissing. And contrary to my friend's mare is TALL and has brio. I'll post some pics later of them

I think they have a "farm" in Colombia where the horses are raised.  I have a picture somewhere I'll see if I can find it, can't really tell much about the place from it but iirc the caption said it was taken there.

This is another one that's still on his myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/hmerryweather/photos/264703#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A264703%7D

(http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/135/31f4631d385945ab9aa578894d356dc2/l.jpg)

I don't see this one there anymore, but it was in Nov 2009... ::MonkeyWink::





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
TM - what day were Philip and Herby detained?

Wednesday I think...I'll check.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:30:12 PM
TM - what day were Philip and Herby detained?

Wednesday I think...I'll check.

Yes, it was Wednesday the 30th.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6772&offId=40&offDate=2011-4

3 dia pasa | Fecha: 30/03/2011 | Horario: 11:07

MAS IMAGEN DURANTE E RAZZIA NA ALTOVISTA


Diaranzon mainta e unidad di investigacion FIOT di Belastingkantoor den cooperation cu RST y Cuerpo Political di Aruba a tene huiszoeking na varios lugar na Aruba, den cuadro di un investigacion fiscal-penal bao responsabilidad di Ministerio Publico.
 ::snipping2::
Varios persona a wordo scucha pa polis, entre nan, e sospechosonan. Dos sospechoso, H.M. y P.M., a wordo deteni.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.narin.com/papiamentu/vocab.html
Wednesday = dia rason


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 10:32:21 PM
TM - what day were Philip and Herby detained?

Wednesday I think...I'll check.

Wednesday was March 30th.  Looks like on the 29th he was looking forward to something.  "Good news just keeps on popping".

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5263/5583439689_185c119fd4_o.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500772237&sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:34:01 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I saw yours when I previewed.  

Were you reading on Philip's wall about good news...   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Philip Conrad Merryweather
good news just keeps on popping ...
March 29 at 12:51pm
Edit to add link.  MB http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500772237&sk=wall


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:36:32 PM
 :2redface: oops, forgot my link!

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500772237&sk=wall


It would be interesting to know what was going on!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 10:40:08 PM
Yeah, I think it's her.  Even the way that Kath is talking to her.  IMO, Kath is making a mistake about Matthews.

IMO, too.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150136229648606&set=a.53085808605.61914.638138605 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150136229648606&set=a.53085808605.61914.638138605)

Adriaan Posner Love comes naturaly, when the money is in da house! First u make the money! Then u get the power, and woman will follow!!
March 27 at 8:26pm · Like · 1 person

Just checking a few of Philip Merryweather's friends


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 10:50:48 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::  I saw yours when I previewed. 

Were you reading on Philip's wall about good news...   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Philip Conrad Merryweather
good news just keeps on popping ...
March 29 at 12:51pm

Yeah, now reading Adriaan Posner


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 02, 2011, 10:51:38 PM
Keepthefaith, klaasend, Kermit, Magnolia, San and 17 Guests   ::HelloKitty::


You monkeys must be on to something.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 11:05:20 PM
:2redface: oops, forgot my link!

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500772237&sk=wall


It would be interesting to know what was going on!   ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Philip had been given the "heads up" about the next day...  JMO, but I was very surprised there was no mention of drugs. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:07:01 PM
Thanks Klaas

Deepak's testimony convinces me beyond a doubt that this multi million dollar defamation lawsuit is financially backed by Aruban interests ... Aruban interests who are taking advantage of what is perceived as wrongdoing by Phil McGraw against the Kalpoes.  In other words ... the Kalpoes are pawns ... the Kalpoes are a means to an end and ... the Kalpoes are out of the loop.

It makes sense ... that this huge lawsuit was not filed based on media, talk show and internet ramblings.  There has to be what Aruban financial backers consider a credible foundation.

Janet


Not necessarily that the Arubans financing the lawsuit consider this a credible foundation to sue -
Keep in mind that their goal is to place doubt in the public's mind about the Natalee case so they can hold onto their TOURISM and IMAGE. BUT keep in mind that Deepak & Satish claim injury due to the Dr. Phil recordings and that even the Aruba GOVT was upset at them because of Dr. Phil.

BUT we need to remember that deepak & satish - were diabolical in their own cause as they purposely and intentionally LIED.

We might think about pulling up the photos of Deepak & Satish having a good time out on the town - for Dr. Phils' people. I know that Kalpoes attorney's are reading here.  ::MonkeyTongue::


(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7659/deepakatcnccw1.jpg)
Suspect returns
Aug. 22: Scarborough Country obtains explosive and exclusive new video as one of the three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway returns to the place she was last seen alive.


In Deepak's depo he states:
When asked what Deepak meant when he said in the Skeeters taped interview:
"You'd be surprised how simple it was that night", DEEPAK TESTIFIED: "You
would be surprised how simple it was that night how uneventful that night
was, how short it was, just I dropped off two people and I went home."



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 11:08:27 PM
Which Posner is Adriaan related to?  I wonder?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:15:44 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102

I am just going out on a limb and say we think that Daury is Paulus. Because Joran always called his
dad/father PAPA and Paulus always referred to himself as PAPA to Joran. (see phone taps).
BUT on the day that Paulus died. Joran posted rip DADDY. "
We speculate that Joran said daddy as the reference daury.
Normally, patterns of behavior suggest that Joran would have called his father PAPA on the day he died because that is what is familiar to him, the fact he didn't was, we speculate, because a little bit of truth comes out with each opening of his mouth.
It's a matter of piecing it together like a road map.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 02, 2011, 11:18:58 PM
What are the odds that the Kalpoe attorneys have offshore accounts either in ARubass, or in the Netherlands?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Yeah, I think it's her.  Even the way that Kath is talking to her.  IMO, Kath is making a mistake about Matthews.

she is a wandering bard.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 02, 2011, 11:19:50 PM
Keepthefaith, San, Kermit, SuzieQ, GoldieTX, Kat_Gram, klaasend, Lady Devon, texasmom, Frijole and 15 Guests   ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:22:48 PM
Keepthefaith, klaasend, Kermit, Magnolia, San and 17 Guests   ::HelloKitty::


You monkeys must be on to something.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::Baseball:: ::Baseball::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 02, 2011, 11:24:21 PM
Keepthefaith, klaasend, Kermit, Magnolia, San and 17 Guests   ::HelloKitty::


You monkeys must be on to something.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::Baseball:: ::Baseball::


Swing batter, batter, swing..I love that icon.. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 02, 2011, 11:25:19 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102

I am just going out on a limb and say we think that Daury is Paulus. Because Joran always called his
dad/father PAPA and Paulus always referred to himself as PAPA to Joran. (see phone taps).
BUT on the day that Paulus died. Joran posted rip DADDY. "
We speculate that Joran said daddy as the reference daury.
Normally, patterns of behavior suggest that Joran would have called his father PAPA on the day he died because that is what is familiar to him, the fact he didn't was, we speculate, because a little bit of truth comes out with each opening of his mouth.
It's a matter of piecing it together like a road map.



Now Joran is singing PAPA can you hear me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 11:26:12 PM
San, LOLOL  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:32:34 PM

The Great Pretender! VACATIONS FOR CHEAP IN LUXURY CONDO'S ALL OVER THE WORLD CONTACT ME adriaanposner@yahoo.com

http://nl.hi5.com/friend/p334621254--Posner+Adriaan--htm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:34:18 PM
Keepthefaith, klaasend, Kermit, Magnolia, San and 17 Guests   ::HelloKitty::


You monkeys must be on to something.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::Baseball:: ::Baseball::


Swing batter, batter, swing..I love that icon.. ::MonkeyDance::


me too
 ::PopcornFrog:: ::FlyingFrog::
OH MY GOSH I just saw frogs limited are included in the smiles. YEE HAW




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2011, 11:36:08 PM
Interesting history of the Posner family in Aruba and Curacao:


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabatourism.com%2Fpdf%2Fwj_posner.pdf&rct=j&q=%22posner%22%20aruba&ei=kumXTZeOPNTogAfjzZzOCA&usg=AFQjCNE1mszyPhvbqcFg93uhQKdR8KJeqw&cad=rja (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabatourism.com%2Fpdf%2Fwj_posner.pdf&rct=j&q=%22posner%22%20aruba&ei=kumXTZeOPNTogAfjzZzOCA&usg=AFQjCNE1mszyPhvbqcFg93uhQKdR8KJeqw&cad=rja)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 11:42:04 PM
Thanks Klaas

Deepak's testimony convinces me beyond a doubt that this multi million dollar defamation lawsuit is financially backed by Aruban interests ... Aruban interests who are taking advantage of what is perceived as wrongdoing by Phil McGraw against the Kalpoes.  In other words ... the Kalpoes are pawns ... the Kalpoes are a means to an end and ... the Kalpoes are out of the loop.

It makes sense ... that this huge lawsuit was not filed based on media, talk show and internet ramblings.  There has to be what Aruban financial backers consider a credible foundation.

Janet


Not necessarily that the Arubans financing the lawsuit consider this a credible foundation to sue -

Keep in mind that their goal is to place doubt in the public's mind about the Natalee case so they can hold onto their TOURISM and IMAGE.

<snipped by Tamikosmom>



Kermit

It is not going to benefit Aruba in any way if the contents of Skeeter's hard drive affirms to the world that there was no manipulation of Phil McGraw's recording ... affirms to the world that Deepak, Satish and Joran had sex with Natalee Holloway.

I want to know why Aruban interests are forcing open the door to reveal the truth encompassing the contents of Skeeters' hard drive.

Are Aruban interests convinced that the NFI findings reveal the truth to what is behind that door to Skeeters' hard drive?

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:47:42 PM
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7325/satishticklewebsite.jpg)

SATISH




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2011, 11:48:18 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102

I am just going out on a limb and say we think that Daury is Paulus. Because Joran always called his
dad/father PAPA and Paulus always referred to himself as PAPA to Joran. (see phone taps).
BUT on the day that Paulus died. Joran posted rip DADDY. "
We speculate that Joran said daddy as the reference daury.
Normally, patterns of behavior suggest that Joran would have called his father PAPA on the day he died because that is what is familiar to him, the fact he didn't was, we speculate, because a little bit of truth comes out with each opening of his mouth.
It's a matter of piecing it together like a road map.



Now Joran is singing PAPA can you hear me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:53:03 PM
Thanks Klaas

Deepak's testimony convinces me beyond a doubt that this multi million dollar defamation lawsuit is financially backed by Aruban interests ... Aruban interests who are taking advantage of what is perceived as wrongdoing by Phil McGraw against the Kalpoes.  In other words ... the Kalpoes are pawns ... the Kalpoes are a means to an end and ... the Kalpoes are out of the loop.

It makes sense ... that this huge lawsuit was not filed based on media, talk show and internet ramblings.  There has to be what Aruban financial backers consider a credible foundation.

Janet


Not necessarily that the Arubans financing the lawsuit consider this a credible foundation to sue -

Keep in mind that their goal is to place doubt in the public's mind about the Natalee case so they can hold onto their TOURISM and IMAGE.

<snipped by Tamikosmom>



Kermit

It is not going to benefit Aruba in any way if the contents of Skeeter's hard drive affirms to the world that there was no manipulation of Phil McGraw's recording ... affirms to the world that Deepak, Satish and Joran had sex with Natalee Holloway.

I want to know why Aruban interests are forcing open the door to reveal the truth encompassing the contents of Skeeters' hard drive.

Are Aruban interests convinced that the NFI findings reveal the truth to what is behind that door to Skeeters' hard drive?

Janet





ROGER SCRUX CLAIMED THAT HE RECEIVED THE SKEETERS TAPE DIRECTLY FROM ARUBA LAW ENFORCEMENT - THEY GAVE EVIDENCE TO A BLOGGER!

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118
January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 02, 2011, 11:53:56 PM
The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 :smt102

I am just going out on a limb and say we think that Daury is Paulus. Because Joran always called his
dad/father PAPA and Paulus always referred to himself as PAPA to Joran. (see phone taps).
BUT on the day that Paulus died. Joran posted rip DADDY. "
We speculate that Joran said daddy as the reference daury.
Normally, patterns of behavior suggest that Joran would have called his father PAPA on the day he died because that is what is familiar to him, the fact he didn't was, we speculate, because a little bit of truth comes out with each opening of his mouth.
It's a matter of piecing it together like a road map.



Now Joran is singing PAPA can you hear me.


ANSWER: NOT ANY MORE
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 11:56:18 PM

<snipped by Tamikosmom>

In Deepak's depo he states:
When asked what Deepak meant when he said in the Skeeters taped interview:
"You'd be surprised how simple it was that night", DEEPAK TESTIFIED: "You
would be surprised how simple it was that night how uneventful that night
was, how short it was, just I dropped off two people and I went home."




Disposed - Patrick vander Eem

JORAN:  Ok they (Deepak and Satish) have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.

PATRICK:  So you never told these two (Deepak and Satish) anything?
 
JORAN:  Never, never, never.


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »


I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 02, 2011, 11:58:16 PM
Bottom Line

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 12:38:56 AM
Which Posner is Adriaan related to?  I wonder?

This one is deceased, buried in Aruba...maybe the father?

http://www.geni.com/people/Adriaan-Posner/6000000003264484572

Adriaan Posner

Place of Burial:   Aruba

Death:    1985 (46)
Aruba

Immediate Family:

Son of Levie Posner and Imorgen Posner
Husband of Cime Posner
Brother of Lena Seute, Grietje Croes, Daisy Augusta Posner, Israelita Hanah Pellicer, Jacob Posner, Hartog Posner, Hannah Rebecca Posner, Israel (Oiky) Posner, Louis Posner, Maurits Posner and Abraham Posner « less

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33299

THE VIDEO HUT & KIDS CLUB
 
Business address   SABANA BLANCO 70-E, LOKAAL 1, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   THE VIDEO HUT & KIDS CLUB
Date of commencement   1 OCTOBER 2004
    
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 23 SEPTEMBER 2004
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

POSNER, ADRIAAN;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 11 SEPTEMBER 1969
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   PROXY
Effective   26 AUGUST 2004
Authority   FULL
 
WAUBEN, ROSSINI DIMITRI;
Born in   ARUBA on 24 MARCH 1959
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   26 AUGUST 2004
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

HET VERHUREN EN VERKOEN VAN FILMMATERIEALEN EN ELECTRONICA (VIDEO-ZAAK) EN AANVERWANTEN EN HET ONTWERPEN EN VERKOPEN VAN TEXTIEL (T-SHIRTS EN PETTEN ENZ.), TEVENS OOK HET VERKOPEN VAN IJSWAREN, SNOEP EN POPCORN ETC.


There was another registry listing for the same business, but the chamber dues haven't been paid so the information is not available.

http://nl.hi5.com/friend/p334621254--Adriaan_Posner--html

May be nothing...but this one sent a chill down my spine....   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 01:44:53 AM
http://www.facebook.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 03, 2011, 02:06:23 AM
Stop the boycott against Aruba with lawsuits in the U.S.
DIARIO Aruba
11/23/2005

..... Contrary to what Minister Wever insinuated, Rainbow Warriors International is working in the general interest of Aruba and the rest of the world. This is what Milton Ponson declared last Tuesday night to DIARIO.

... According to Ponson, their organization supports a conversation with Mr. Jaap Baujon, member of the Strategic Communication Task Force and offers their services free of charge to help disarm the boycott called against Aruba.... We are in agreement with Mr. Bob DiLella, political consultant of the MEP party, who declared in an article published on November 21, 2005 in Amigoe, that we have to become more aggressive.

To take away Beth Twitty’s strength, her defamation campaign has to be attacked as much as the media who support it as with elected officials, for example governor Bob Riley of Alabama.

Litigation is underway now, where a lawsuit has been initiated, given that among others, Dr. Phil indicated that he is NOT interested in giving the opportunity for ‘rebuttal’, and he isn’t either interested in ‘fair and accurate news coverage’

... Enough with pretty letters to Minister Bot, protests at the Plaza Betico Croes and Open Letters in the press. It is time to act!!! Ponson proposes lawsuits against the media who do not want to provide us with rebuttals and/or fair and accurate news coverage.[/i]

Translated by getagrip

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1936.240


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 02:31:12 AM
Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 03:55:09 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 04:42:17 AM
This caught my eye...but I'm too tired to look at it now.  Maybe someone else knows if this is true or not????

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/29692-detencion-di-tata-y-yiu-merryweather-prolonga-y-nan-ta-sera-pa-pocision-ilegal-di-arma-solamente.html

Papiamentu translation:

scirbi for ooo, april 02, 2011
according my can owing to compronde of person they cu know the labadornan of coin proffessionalnan cu is wash coin at scala parent via offshore company self is stay pound can ejemple joep y bas van in nieuwenhuizen of tierra del sol cu is wordo protegi door of bas his father-in-law procurador general robert pietersz come across, dicon belastingdienst do not haci nothing cu they? or ministerio publico/ tax dienst is amigo also of tierra del sol?

http://opinie.volkskrant.nl/artikel/show/id/7120/Mecenas_wordt_niet_meer_gedeballoteerd
Google translation:

 ::snipping2::

Aban said on 12/11/2010 2:11 p.m.
Willem Alexander and Maxima were also on their honeymoon in Aruba and that in a house in Tierra del Sol, which was already known as a cheat Joep van den Nieuwenhuyzen owner was! Joep van den Nieuwenhuyzen walked every day as a slavish dog behind the couple! His recurring cry after this visit was "they make me nothing because I have friends in the highest echelons" is starting to be very understandable! To our surprise here at Aruba was there when suddenly everything possible to Joep van den Nieuwenhuyzen, lease expense of millions were canceled for unknown reasons, suddenly lawsuits were won by the swindler, agitated people who were threatened, etc.etc. Now his son, Bas van den Nieuwenhuyzen, through a trick Director of Tierra del Sol on Aruba, and again there are again signs of massive fraud, the apple does not fall far from the tree! These cheat feels covered by higher powers .... his father, the Attorney General here in Aruba Mr.RFPietersz! Is there no end ?????


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: sharon on April 03, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders. The Task Force continues to support the Holloway/Twitty families and will continue to offer support in their search for Natalee Holloway.

Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:
Myrna Jansen, chairperson Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk Department of Foreign Affairs  
Frits Israel Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members
Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

Contributing participants
Helen Bautista Fitzgerald and Co.
Kelly Marshal Fitzgerald and Co.
Florence Quinn Quinn and Co.

What we do

The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba. The Task Force believes that it is very important to keep the community at large well informed of the latest developments.
http://www.aruba.com/holloway/taskforce.htm


This is from the infamous Vanity Fair article -- I have the whole article saved from January 2006 -- just don't have the link :oops:  please delete if necessary .
Sharon - I believe this is the link to the article.  MB  http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601



Nightmare in Paradise
By BRYAN BURROUGH
 ::snipping2::

The Twittys were outraged. Beth tearfully denounced the judge's decision as a travesty, terming the Kalpoe brothers "criminals." She called on the nations of the world to reject any efforts they might make to flee the country. All over television, the cable hosts piled on, endlessly castigating the Aruban justice system. For many Arubans, this was the last straw. The next afternoon a former government minister named John Merryweather helped organize a demonstration in front of the courthouse to protest the media's depiction of Aruba.One of the Kalpoes' attorneys, meanwhile, attacked Beth's statements as "prejudicial, inflammatory, libelous, and totally outrageous." Caught off guard, Beth went back before the cameras at the end of the week and apologized "to the Aruban people and to the Aruban authorities if I or my family have offended you in any way."

But the damage was done. "That woman needs help," an angry John Merryweather told me as we sat on his terrace. "This is just a concerted attack on Aruba. A terrorist attack. Why blame the whole island, a whole country, for something that is out of our control? She attacks our justice system? What about yours? JonBenét. Was that ever solved? Michael Jackson—he gets off. O.J. That's American justice, and the woman is criticizing us?"

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 09:55:54 AM
Which Posner is Adriaan related to?  I wonder?

This one is deceased, buried in Aruba...maybe the father?

http://www.geni.com/people/Adriaan-Posner/6000000003264484572

Adriaan Posner

Place of Burial:   Aruba

Death:    1985 (46)
Aruba

Immediate Family:

Son of Levie Posner and Imorgen Posner
Husband of Cime Posner
Brother of Lena Seute, Grietje Croes, Daisy Augusta Posner, Israelita Hanah Pellicer, Jacob Posner, Hartog Posner, Hannah Rebecca Posner, Israel (Oiky) Posner, Louis Posner, Maurits Posner and Abraham Posner « less

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33299

THE VIDEO HUT & KIDS CLUB
 
Business address   SABANA BLANCO 70-E, LOKAAL 1, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form   SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company   THE VIDEO HUT & KIDS CLUB
Date of commencement   1 OCTOBER 2004
    
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 23 SEPTEMBER 2004
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

POSNER, ADRIAAN;
Born in   NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 11 SEPTEMBER 1969
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   PROXY
Effective   26 AUGUST 2004
Authority   FULL
 
WAUBEN, ROSSINI DIMITRI;
Born in   ARUBA on 24 MARCH 1959
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   OWNER
Effective   26 AUGUST 2004
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

HET VERHUREN EN VERKOEN VAN FILMMATERIEALEN EN ELECTRONICA (VIDEO-ZAAK) EN AANVERWANTEN EN HET ONTWERPEN EN VERKOPEN VAN TEXTIEL (T-SHIRTS EN PETTEN ENZ.), TEVENS OOK HET VERKOPEN VAN IJSWAREN, SNOEP EN POPCORN ETC.


There was another registry listing for the same business, but the chamber dues haven't been paid so the information is not available.

http://nl.hi5.com/friend/p334621254--Adriaan_Posner--html

May be nothing...but this one sent a chill down my spine....   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyEek::


I still wonder if Michael Posner is related to the Aruba Posners.  Looking at that photo of Adriaan he resembles Michael.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
Adriaan Posner  don't know who it is, LOL  WAIT could this be Michael Posner himself in Aruba?

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5029/5585308048_58c11e55c7_o.jpg)

Michael Posner

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/5584725263_679372c640_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 10:55:42 AM
I'm still on my first cup, so I probably should wait to post...but here goes.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas, I do think they are related...I thought that a lot last night looking through pics.

But I don't think that picture I posted (that you did the comparison with) is Adriaan.

Adriaan has tattoos all over, and I don't see any in that pic.

Here's one to show you what I mean...I looked at a lot of pictures last night in his and others FB albums and I'm pretty sure this is Adriaan.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 11:09:01 AM
FYI...Adriaan corresponds on his pages some with a MP (not saying he's THE MP) but here's the link to his FB.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=680496329&sk=info







Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:10:12 AM
FYI...Adriaan corresponds on his pages some with a MP (not saying he's THE MP) but here's the link to his FB.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=680496329&sk=info







Yeah I saw that yesterday.  I wondered why Adriaan looked so much older in that photo, LOL. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 11:14:31 AM
Adriaan Posner  don't know who it is, LOL  WAIT could this be Michael Posner himself in Aruba?

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5029/5585308048_58c11e55c7_o.jpg)

Michael Posner

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/5584725263_679372c640_o.jpg)

I don't think the guy in the top picture is ever really identified (I'm still trying to find it again this morning...I should probably just stop and drink some coffee...lol)

Any idea how old THE Michael Posner is? 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 11:15:19 AM
I just saw your change to that post after I posted my response...I'm wondering the same!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:30:49 AM
BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
 
Business address    J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 370, NOORD
Legal form    LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company    BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of incorporation    10 APRIL 2001
Last amendment in the articles    18 JANUARY 2002
     
Authorized capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Issued capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Paid up capital    ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Fiscal year    01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
POSNER, WALTER BRETT;
   
Born in    U.S.A., CHICAGO, ILLINOIS on 21 MAY 1960
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective    10 APRIL 2001
Authority    FULL
 
POSNER, MICHAEL WILLIAM;
   
Born in    U.S.A., CHICAGO on 1 JANUARY 1943
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective    13 MARCH 2007
Authority    FULL
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
IMO, the unidentified guy in the picture could be 68 years old.  ::MonkeyJnBox::
 :smt117 ?????

JMO

::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
Thanks for posting the registry info Klaas, I know I have it too...but I think it's on my old computer!

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:55:09 AM
Thanks for posting the registry info Klaas, I know I have it too...but I think it's on my old computer!

 ::MonkeyKiss::


I just went to the Chamber website and copied it.  I have a screen cap someplace too.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 03, 2011, 11:56:37 AM
Looks like Posner, to me.

There had been media reports of him being 64 yrs., in 2005 ??? and having no kids and being married to Robin Abergel. 

Probably has a collection of birth certificates.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 12:00:33 PM
Thanks for posting the registry info Klaas, I know I have it too...but I think it's on my old computer!

 ::MonkeyKiss::


I just went to the Chamber website and copied it.  I have a screen cap someplace too.  ::MonkeyCool::

I could have done that, but I had wayyyyyy too many windows open already!    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 12:27:03 PM
Looks like Posner, to me.

There had been media reports of him being 64 yrs., in 2005 ??? and having no kids and being married to Robin Abergel. 

Probably has a collection of birth certificates.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Buckeye! 

Yes...I'm sure he does.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 01:05:59 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390550213605&set=a.53085808605.61914.638138605&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390550213605&set=a.53085808605.61914.638138605&theater)

One thing I know for sure it's not Robert De Niro

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5022/5585855092_6da0101193_b.jpg)

Michael Posner in 1988 I believe

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/5584725263_679372c640_o.jpg)


From Adriaan's facebook  - what he calls the PALM BEACH RETREAT

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5585320545_5e532c4878_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 03, 2011, 01:40:12 PM
Adriaan Posner  don't know who it is, LOL  WAIT could this be Michael Posner himself in Aruba?

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5029/5585308048_58c11e55c7_o.jpg)

Michael Posner

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/5584725263_679372c640_o.jpg)

I don't think the guy in the top picture is ever really identified (I'm still trying to find it again this morning...I should probably just stop and drink some coffee...lol)

Any idea how old THE Michael Posner is? 

That guy looks like Posner to me.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on April 03, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
Can anyone tell who that is reflected in the sunglasses?  In the picture tags of the pool photo he does list Michael Posner.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 03, 2011, 05:05:43 PM
Can anyone tell who that is reflected in the sunglasses?  In the picture tags of the pool photo he does list Michael Posner.

I can't tell who that is in the reflection.  My eyes are good but not that good.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 05:18:09 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390550213605&set=a.53085808605.61914.638138605&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=390550213605&set=a.53085808605.61914.638138605&theater)

One thing I know for sure it's not Robert De Niro

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5022/5585855092_6da0101193_b.jpg)

Michael Posner in 1988 I believe

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/5584725263_679372c640_o.jpg)


From Adriaan's facebook  - what he calls the PALM BEACH RETREAT

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5585320545_5e532c4878_b.jpg)

I had some help with this, and I think this may be who it is?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000815677796&sk=info
Ray Ruiz

He is the father of Taylor Ruiz, and Rocky Ruiz who were tagged in the photo.

http://www.facebook.com/truizlinux1388?sk=info
Taylor Ruiz

Family

Ray Ruiz
Father

Ryan Ruiz
Brother

Rocky Ruiz
Brother


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 05:33:13 PM
There are other links through Adriaan's photos, and the only common denominator I come up with (so far) between Adriaan and the Ruiz's is Medina, Ohio.

Ray Ruiz is also a FB friend of Hooter's Aruba.    ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.facebook.com/hooters.aruba?sk=friends


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 05:40:55 PM
Actually, there are quite a few familiar (Aruba) names on Ray's friend list.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 03, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
Yeah TM that looks like Ray Ruiz.  Unless Michael Posner changed his name  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 05:50:12 PM
Actually, there are quite a few familiar (Aruba) names on Ray's friend list.

I barely got through the A's and I'm thinking dirty old man...so I'm done with that!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

JMO 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 05:51:06 PM
Yeah TM that looks like Ray Ruiz.  Unless Michael Posner changed his name  ::MonkeyDevil::

Could be an alias...ya never know!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 03, 2011, 06:01:19 PM
Shucks...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 06:05:17 PM
WE'RE ON OUR OWN

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 55:
  Last night's meeting with the DEA agent would be the last time we would see him. I was told he was just on the island "on vacation," but considering his line of work, I have to wonder about that. Even wonder if the name he gave us was really his. None of that matters. I'm just thankful he was here when he was to help us get the ball rolling by directing us to go to Carlos 'n Charlie's, and helping us with the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard. But now we're alone, politically and law enforcement-wise. Even though we've met Homeland Security and DEA representatives, there‘s nothing they can do for us. There's no U.S. consular office here. No State Department representative. No FBI agent. We're on our own.


MAYDAY360

Beth Holloway Announces Mayday360
Travel and Safety Assistance for Americans Traveling Abroad
September 29, 2010


Holloway, whose daughter Natalee went missing in Aruba five years ago, has firsthand experience dealing with an international emergency.  "Your initial instinct is how to physically get to that destination," Holloway said. "You reach for the phone to dial 911, but that can't help you. What you need to do is reach local law enforcement, but you don't know who and how?  Mayday360 is the fast, practical answer." 

"In the critical few days after Natalee went missing, I needed immediate access to people with influence and experience to ensure that everything that could be done was happening quickly," said Holloway. "Tragically, I didn't have the help I needed.  That's why I co-founded Mayday 360."

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beth-holloway-announces-mayday360-104001238.htm

++++++l

MAYDAY360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

 :smt060


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 06:07:53 PM
I must be in the minority but I don't think it looks like Ray Ruiz.  I think it looks like Michael Posner.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 06:12:32 PM
Shucks...

I know!  Dangit!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 03, 2011, 06:24:45 PM
I must be in the minority but I don't think it looks like Ray Ruiz.  I think it looks like Michael Posner.

OK then I will agree so I can feel better  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 06:35:29 PM
Maybe Ray Ruiz really is Michael Posner?  LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 06:40:03 PM
I must be in the minority but I don't think it looks like Ray Ruiz.  I think it looks like Michael Posner.

I don't know for sure who it is, he definitely looks like both of them IMO.  

It still makes me mad that Adriaan who has two beautiful daughters of his own, would joke about the missing daughter of another family.  But then again there's also a picture of him below the Camp Alegre sign and the caption is "Campo 4 life".  

http://www.campocuracao.com/images/big_entrance_leaf.jpg

I guess it's just a different mentality...  JMO   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 06:41:28 PM
I must be in the minority but I don't think it looks like Ray Ruiz.  I think it looks like Michael Posner.

OK then I will agree so I can feel better  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Would one of you prove who he really is so I can feel better?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 06:42:54 PM

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 06:43:25 PM
I just needed to do that!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 03, 2011, 07:22:32 PM
I just needed to do that!   ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 07:36:02 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5699:nog-weinig-aanknopingspunten-in-moordzaak-poentje&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Still few leads in murder Poentje

Saturday, April 2, 2011 6:43 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - More than three months after the murder of journalist Poentje Castro are still very few clues. At least, that prosecutor, Jaap Zondervan, who leads the investigation. When asked if the Public Prosecutor (OM) is considering a reward to praise in order to achieve faster results, Zondervan says: "I can not and if the PG or minister. Finally, the money from the country. In any case, I have no budget for rewards as well, the budgets are small. "
by our staff
Sharina Henriquez

Poentje on December 23 last year found dead in his garden. The only thing with certainty to the public prosecutor will make is that the journalist who was shot last night and that a long moving person 'has fired the shots. Even with any vehicle this person was, according to Zondervan unclear. "We have very few leads and are still looking for more. Because then we can focus research and know which direction we should seek. "Around the clock by the investigative team not worked, but the number of detectives on the case is, is not changed, says prosecutor . "Clearly there is no reason to work around the clock as the beginning. Then we had a community study done in a very large area. It is important for everyone to be heard as quickly as possible, before everyone goes to talk to each other and influenced each other through touch. Now we are not so hard behind the information, and is now also working on other things. But the team is still at full strength. "

Reward
Zondervan emphasizes that all information is still being investigated and it is "very difficult, and difficult patient 'work. He stressed again that whoever has information, it can still log on and anonymously via the tiplijn of the police. "It is greatly appreciated. That the PPS itself no more information go public, because there is currently nothing more to tell you what the matter further. Zondervan emphasizes that current business is always determined what information whenever possible. "Some information we may not bring out as the example, information that only the perpetrator is known."
 ::snipping2::

Family
Why Justice instance no joint press conference with the family is, as in the case of missing Vicenzo Tromp including a reward was offered, to say Zondervan concludes: "I can not answer this. I have no personal contact with the family. There was in the beginning close contact with the family, but through the police. They then worked well. "The public will get no visits or telephones the family to ask how the investigation is. "But it is pointless to call me or continually at the window waving. For there is nothing to report. "Moreover, it does not matter for the police investigation, he says, if the family that way the alarm would constantly draw. "We will do our research and would love to solve it yourself."


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 07:40:24 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5700:texas-na-82-jaar-dicht&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/02-04-2011/658594.jpg)

Texas after 82 years close

Saturday, April 2, 2011 6:43 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Furniture Texas Furniture Store has opened its doors finally closed after 82 years. Thursday, March 31 was the last day that the case was open to the public. The staff was on that day the owner told that the bankruptcy has been filed. The intention was to actually sell the property at Cumana but according to owner Dadu Croes not succeed. The deteriorating economic situation and the decline in sales made it difficult for the case to keep their heads above water.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 07:44:04 PM
Thanks Klaas

I do not think Joran's distancing of the Kalpoes in the Range Rover "confession" is going to help.

However ... if a comparison of the FBI copy of the Deepak/Skeeters interview with the Phil McGraw recording reveals that there was no manipulation and ... Deepak really did admit wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway ... the implications are far reaching.  Not only do the Kalpoes lose the defamation lawsuit ... the court of public opinion will demand that Aruba holds Deepak, Satish and Joran accountable..

Janet



Don't hold your breath expecting ANYTHING to happen in an Aruban court of law.  Aruba has washed their hands of this, they won't do anything.

Something Unexpected

OPRAH WINFREY SHOW - January 27, 2008

 
BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 07:47:28 PM
The Courage to Tell the Truth

nonesuche
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 -
« Reply #1350 on: May 30, 2009, 10:37:53 AM »


<snipped>

Most important is that Natalee still does not have justice. That is hardest for her parents to endure, far moreso than any of us.

Most of her classmates on that trip have graduated in the last two weeks from college, I first heard of Natalee's disappearance while at orientation with my son for UA for he was in the same class. Natalee has been denied yet one more meaningful milestone in her young life, that college experience. We will never know what good works Natalee might have cast out into the world if she had become a physician or if she had chosen another path.

Imagine all the "points of light" that were snuffed out by stealing a young woman who truly cared about our world and those who live in it.

I don't have much faith if any, in Holland to change this outcome. I do however always hope and pray that someone in Aruba will have the courage to tell the truth eventually. Had the Kalpoe's not chased the 'gold' in their suit against Dr Phil, I do believe they might have turned on Joran but as long as that suit is out there, there is little chance they will rattle that cage.

I won't hold my breath for the corruption investigation to yield bonafide change, but I will hope that shaking some things up on evil island makes someone uncomfortable enough to swing to the other side toward truth. Natalee's case has been the catalyst for this, four long years coming but I do think it was the catalyst as was the boycott her parents had the courage to fight for.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.msg825430;topicseen#msg825430



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on April 03, 2011, 08:00:36 PM
I must be in the minority but I don't think it looks like Ray Ruiz.  I think it looks like Michael Posner.
OK then I will agree so I can feel better  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Would one of you prove who he really is so I can feel better?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::
I think Ray Ruiz due to what looks to be some sort of small birthmark on his left cheek.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 08:07:27 PM
I must be in the minority but I don't think it looks like Ray Ruiz.  I think it looks like Michael Posner.
OK then I will agree so I can feel better  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Would one of you prove who he really is so I can feel better?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::
I think Ray Ruiz due to what looks to be some sort of small birthmark on his left cheek.

OK you guys are all right.  It is definitely Ray Ruiz  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5586646789_b431a8e733_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 03, 2011, 08:35:20 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5699:nog-weinig-aanknopingspunten-in-moordzaak-poentje&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Still few leads in murder Poentje

Saturday, April 2, 2011 6:43 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - More than three months after the murder of journalist Poentje Castro are still very few clues. At least, that prosecutor, Jaap Zondervan, who leads the investigation. When asked if the Public Prosecutor (OM) is considering a reward to praise in order to achieve faster results, Zondervan says: "I can not and if the PG or minister. Finally, the money from the country. In any case, I have no budget for rewards as well, the budgets are small. "
by our staff
Sharina Henriquez

Poentje on December 23 last year found dead in his garden. The only thing with certainty to the public prosecutor will make is that the journalist who was shot last night and that a long moving person 'has fired the shots. Even with any vehicle this person was, according to Zondervan unclear. "We have very few leads and are still looking for more. Because then we can focus research and know which direction we should seek. "Around the clock by the investigative team not worked, but the number of detectives on the case is, is not changed, says prosecutor . "Clearly there is no reason to work around the clock as the beginning. Then we had a community study done in a very large area. It is important for everyone to be heard as quickly as possible, before everyone goes to talk to each other and influenced each other through touch. Now we are not so hard behind the information, and is now also working on other things. But the team is still at full strength. "

Reward
Zondervan emphasizes that all information is still being investigated and it is "very difficult, and difficult patient 'work. He stressed again that whoever has information, it can still log on and anonymously via the tiplijn of the police. "It is greatly appreciated. That the PPS itself no more information go public, because there is currently nothing more to tell you what the matter further. Zondervan emphasizes that current business is always determined what information whenever possible. "Some information we may not bring out as the example, information that only the perpetrator is known."
 ::snipping2::

Family
Why Justice instance no joint press conference with the family is, as in the case of missing Vicenzo Tromp including a reward was offered, to say Zondervan concludes: "I can not answer this. I have no personal contact with the family. There was in the beginning close contact with the family, but through the police. They then worked well. "The public will get no visits or telephones the family to ask how the investigation is. "But it is pointless to call me or continually at the window waving. For there is nothing to report. "Moreover, it does not matter for the police investigation, he says, if the family that way the alarm would constantly draw. "We will do our research and would love to solve it yourself."

How well we know that line from another case.  ::MonkeyCool::   ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 09:04:37 PM
Face to Face with Joran

Beth Holloway:

Exerpt:


'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.'

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'
 
'Tell me what happen.  Let me take her home.'

November, 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 09:07:52 PM
O/T

If anyone else was interested in watching the series premiere of "The Killing" that will cover Natalee's case and others in the near future...it's just started on AMC.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 09:08:39 PM
I must be in the minority but I don't think it looks like Ray Ruiz.  I think it looks like Michael Posner.
OK then I will agree so I can feel better  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Would one of you prove who he really is so I can feel better?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::
I think Ray Ruiz due to what looks to be some sort of small birthmark on his left cheek.

OK you guys are all right.  It is definitely Ray Ruiz  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/5586646789_b431a8e733_b.jpg)

Thanks for doing the side by side Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 03, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/9176/iwouldntdoemtc.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 03, 2011, 10:45:14 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

I wouldn't do em either.
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 10:59:46 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

I wouldn't do em either.
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


OMG that's the truth!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:08:15 PM
Here's a little more of what Kermit posted.  Page 305 of 446  ::MonkeyDevil::  I've redacted the witnesses name:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5301/5587752896_980535352b_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 03, 2011, 11:13:58 PM
(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/9176/iwouldntdoemtc.png)


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 11:14:26 PM
Here's a little more of what Kermit posted.  Page 305 of 446  ::MonkeyDevil::  I've redacted the witnesses name:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5301/5587752896_980535352b_b.jpg)

Klaas

Who is the witness?  Is she/he the person who edited the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2011, 11:14:46 PM
O/T

If anyone else was interested in watching the series premiere of "The Killing" that will cover Natalee's case and others in the near future...it's just started on AMC.

I've been confused about this whole thing, so I'm sorry if I confused anyone else!    
I think Dan Abram's coverage about Natalee's case must have been shown sometime before tonight's premiere.  I looked for it last week when it was first advertised but never could find it on my programming guide.  So I guess I missed it.  I think maybe what they were describing were short little blurbs about each case, Natalee, Jon Benet, etc. that were shown between the regular programming?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

http://tvovermind.zap2it.com/cable/amc/the-killing/amc-taps-dan-abrams-killing-warm-vignettes/52842




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:16:41 PM
Janet - I think it's a member of the Dr. Phil show staff. 

O/T Janet did you  see there is a couple from Canada missing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9720.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 11:25:00 PM

Klaas

Who is the witness?  Is she/he the person who edited the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording?

Thanks

Janet

<snipped>

Q.  Okay.  So -- you believe, you believe, at the time you were doing the editing, that the Kalpoe brothers had raped Natalee, Right?

<snipped>


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:27:12 PM

Klaas

Who is the witness?  Is she/he the person who edited the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording?

Thanks

Janet

<snipped>

Q.  Okay.  So -- you believe, you believe, at the time you were doing the editing, that the Kalpoe brothers had raped Natalee, Right?

<snipped>

Yes, one of the Dr. Phil show staff.  They were trying to get her to say that she believed Natalee was raped by all of them prior to the show.  She didn't say that but she did say she assumed Natalee would not have had sex with them because they were ugly.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 11:29:50 PM
Janet - I think it's a member of the Dr. Phil show staff. 

O/T Janet did you  see there is a couple from Canada missing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9720.0

Yes.  They are from the interior of British Columbia ... about a 3-4 hour drive.  Is there a thread on this couple.

Janet

+++++

Penticton couple last seen in Oregon
CBC News Posted: Apr 3, 2011 12:17 PM PT
Updated: Apr 3, 2011 3:23 PM PT


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/04/03/bc-chretiens-missing-oregon.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 11:33:54 PM

Klaas

Who is the witness?  Is she/he the person who edited the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording?

Thanks

Janet

<snipped>

Q.  Okay.  So -- you believe, you believe, at the time you were doing the editing, that the Kalpoe brothers had raped Natalee, Right?

<snipped>

Yes, one of the Dr. Phil show staff.  They were trying to get her to say that she believed Natalee was raped by all of them prior to the show.  She didn't say that but she did say she assumed Natalee would not have had sex with them because they were ugly.

Ugly or not ... it makes sense that Natalee would not have been a willing participant in group sex within two hours of walking out Carlos and Charlies with Joran, Deepak and Satish.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:39:43 PM
Janet - I think it's a member of the Dr. Phil show staff. 

O/T Janet did you  see there is a couple from Canada missing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9720.0

Yes.  They are from the interior of British Columbia ... about a 3-4 hour drive.  Is there a thread on this couple.

Janet

+++++

Penticton couple last seen in Oregon
CBC News Posted: Apr 3, 2011 12:17 PM PT
Updated: Apr 3, 2011 3:23 PM PT


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/04/03/bc-chretiens-missing-oregon.html




Yes I gave you the link above


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2011, 11:40:14 PM

Klaas

Who is the witness?  Is she/he the person who edited the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording?

Thanks

Janet

<snipped>

Q.  Okay.  So -- you believe, you believe, at the time you were doing the editing, that the Kalpoe brothers had raped Natalee, Right?

<snipped>

Yes, one of the Dr. Phil show staff.  They were trying to get her to say that she believed Natalee was raped by all of them prior to the show.  She didn't say that but she did say she assumed Natalee would not have had sex with them because they were ugly.

Ugly or not ... it makes sense that Natalee would not have been a willing participant in group sex within two hours of walking out Carlos and Charlies with Joran, Deepak and Satish.

Janet

Janet - I agree


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 03, 2011, 11:41:34 PM
Janet - I think it's a member of the Dr. Phil show staff. 

O/T Janet did you  see there is a couple from Canada missing?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9720.0

Yes.  They are from the interior of British Columbia ... about a 3-4 hour drive.  Is there a thread on this couple.

Janet

+++++

Penticton couple last seen in Oregon
CBC News Posted: Apr 3, 2011 12:17 PM PT
Updated: Apr 3, 2011 3:23 PM PT


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/04/03/bc-chretiens-missing-oregon.html




Yes I gave you the link above

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2011, 12:28:27 AM
This may have been posted...

http://www.larepublica.pe/24-03-2011/ricardo-flores-delincuentes-no-tendran-beneficios-penitenciarios?tipo_electorales2011=electorales

Google translation:

Thu, 24/03/2011 - 21:26

Ricardo Flores Offenders Prison will not benefit

The Congress candidate for National Solidarity , Ricardo Flores , proposed eliminating all forms of profit prison for repeat offenders and require that sentences imposed by the judicial branch are met in full. By Luis Santolalla Garden

"We have seen the absurdity of prison privileges, so we made ​​the decision to participate in this electoral contest , to contribute something to the country, "he said to the República.pe .

From their point of view, many of the laws do more to defend those who commit crimes n the victims, and though people consider that first-time offenders can reintegrate not think the same of repeat offenders.

" The police take them to the prosecutor , and then come they spend all day stealing. This has led to insecurity, can not leave the house, women should hide the wallet, even there are areas that can be entered. These are the consequences of such laws "he said.
 ::snipping2::

There's also a youtube but it's in Spanish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gs-2feE3yo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2011, 02:12:53 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 10:55:49 AM
Kyle Kingman was proactive in regards to his professional analysis of the ROV footage of the December 30, 2007 observation dive ... the observation dive when Aruban divers declared the contents of the trap were not relevant to the Natalee Holloway case.  At that period in time ... the ship's sonar/ROV operator/analysis took the initiative of sending six screenshots to the FBI.  Kyle also made an attempt to secure an FBI presence for the upcoming recovery dive.

+++++


Absolutely Disturbed

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net. If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Observation Dive

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM


<snipped>

Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047#msg360047


Recovery Dive

Kyle Kingsman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 12:31:40 PM
The Strategic Communications Task Force

Who We Are

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders. The Task Force continues to support the Holloway/Twitty families and will continue to offer support in their search for Natalee Holloway.

Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:
Myrna Jansen, chairperson Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk Department of Foreign Affairs  
Frits Israel Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members
Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

Contributing participants
Helen Bautista Fitzgerald and Co.
Kelly Marshal Fitzgerald and Co.
Florence Quinn Quinn and Co.

What we do

The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic wellbeing of Aruba. The Task Force believes that it is very important to keep the community at large well informed of the latest developments.
http://www.aruba.com/holloway/taskforce.htm


This is from the infamous Vanity Fair article -- I have the whole article saved from January 2006 -- just don't have the link :oops:  please delete if necessary .
Sharon - I believe this is the link to the article.  MB  http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601



Nightmare in Paradise
By BRYAN BURROUGH
 ::snipping2::

The Twittys were outraged. Beth tearfully denounced the judge's decision as a travesty, terming the Kalpoe brothers "criminals." She called on the nations of the world to reject any efforts they might make to flee the country. All over television, the cable hosts piled on, endlessly castigating the Aruban justice system. For many Arubans, this was the last straw. The next afternoon a former government minister named John Merryweather helped organize a demonstration in front of the courthouse to protest the media's depiction of Aruba.One of the Kalpoes' attorneys, meanwhile, attacked Beth's statements as "prejudicial, inflammatory, libelous, and totally outrageous." Caught off guard, Beth went back before the cameras at the end of the week and apologized "to the Aruban people and to the Aruban authorities if I or my family have offended you in any way."

But the damage was done. "That woman needs help," an angry John Merryweather told me as we sat on his terrace. "This is just a concerted attack on Aruba. A terrorist attack. Why blame the whole island, a whole country, for something that is out of our control? She attacks our justice system? What about yours? JonBenét. Was that ever solved? Michael Jackson—he gets off. O.J. That's American justice, and the woman is criticizing us?"

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Sharon.  I also have that article saved but forgot that John Merryweather was quoted.  I usually pull it up when Julie Renfro is the topic of discussion.

I am not convinced that Merryweather was a participant in any of the happenings encompassing the disappearing of Natalee Holloway but ... he definitely was part of the Aruban agenda that implied that justice must not prevail.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 12:44:52 PM

ROGER SCRUX CLAIMED THAT HE RECEIVED THE SKEETERS TAPE DIRECTLY FROM ARUBA LAW ENFORCEMENT - THEY GAVE EVIDENCE TO A BLOGGER!

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118
January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.






TRANSCRIPT - JAMIE SKEETERS/DEEPAK KALPOE INTERVIEW

The NFI/ALE Recording?

<snipped>

Jamie Skeeters: Nobody told her that you can't f*** her. You know? I mean...
and I'm sure she had sex with all of you. And...
Whoop! (high pitched shriek)

Deepak Kalpoe: No. She didn't. (Shakes his head left to right five times)
 
Jamie Skeeters: Ok, well. I mean... good.  If she did (next syllable unintelligible)

(the sound after "did" cannot be discerned, obscurred by Deepak's "You'd")
 
Deepak Kalpoe: You'd be surprised how simple it was that night.
 
Jamie Skeeters: Really?

<snipped>

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg1script.htm


The Phil McGraw Recording

'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
ated 12/2/2005 9:00:37 AM ET


<snipped>

SKEETERS:  If it was an accident, I can help all of you and if you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug—I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 01:51:34 PM

<snipped by Tamikosmom>

In Deepak's depo he states:
When asked what Deepak meant when he said in the Skeeters taped interview:
"You'd be surprised how simple it was that night", DEEPAK TESTIFIED: "You
would be surprised how simple it was that night how uneventful that night
was, how short it was, just I dropped off two people and I went home."



Hopefully ... the American judge will not concur with Han Mo's acceptance of Joran's words/lies in the Range Rover confession and ... afford the Kalpoes the benefit of the doubt.  Attorney William Cremer is going to milk it for all its worth.

Janet

+++++

THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE KALPOES

Joran van der Sloot

Disposed - Patrick vander Eem

JORAN:  Ok they (Deepak and Satish) have just dropped me off. They don't know anything further.

PATRICK:  So you never told these two (Deepak and Satish) anything?
 
JORAN:  Never, never, never.


Hans Mos

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


William Cremer

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

<snipped>

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 01:54:42 PM
Face to Face with Deepak

Mother confronts Aruba suspect
Holloway's mother questions Kalpoe about disappearance of missing teen
August 9, 2005

 
JOE SCARBOROUGH, ‘SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY’ HOST:  Does he understand that you’re not going away, that you’re going to keep going back on TV time and time again until you get justice for your daughter? 

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: The one question that he did ask me, and this was probably 10 minutes before I was leaving.  He told me that the media has not seen this side of you.  I told him, I’d been saving it for you, Deepak. 

SCARBOROUGH: What side is that? 

HOLLOWAY: I think it’s just the side that, I will stop at nothing to get answers.  There is nothing that I won’t do.  There’s nowhere that I won’t go.  I’m going to ask every question.  I don’t care how painful it is.  I will do it, because I’m not going to have any regrets. ....

SARBOROUGH:  After being in the presence of Deepak for an hour earlier today, are you convinced that he is involved in the disappearance of Natalee? 

HOLLOWAY: Oh, absolutely.  Anybody that was in there and saw him would agree 100 percent.  There wouldn’t be one person that didn’t believe that he had involvement if they would have been in there and witnessed and been in his presence.  There’s no one that wouldn’t believe that he has involvement.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/8885950/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 04, 2011, 02:21:52 PM

ROGER SCRUX CLAIMED THAT HE RECEIVED THE SKEETERS TAPE DIRECTLY FROM ARUBA LAW ENFORCEMENT - THEY GAVE EVIDENCE TO A BLOGGER!

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118
January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.






TRANSCRIPT - JAMIE SKEETERS/DEEPAK KALPOE INTERVIEW

The NFI/ALE Recording?

<snipped>

Jamie Skeeters: Nobody told her that you can't f*** her. You know? I mean...
and I'm sure she had sex with all of you. And...
Whoop! (high pitched shriek)

Deepak Kalpoe: No. She didn't. (Shakes his head left to right five times)
 
Jamie Skeeters: Ok, well. I mean... good.  If she did (next syllable unintelligible)

(the sound after "did" cannot be discerned, obscurred by Deepak's "You'd")
 
Deepak Kalpoe: You'd be surprised how simple it was that night.
 
Jamie Skeeters: Really?

<snipped>

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg1script.htm


The Phil McGraw Recording

'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
ated 12/2/2005 9:00:37 AM ET


<snipped>

SKEETERS:  If it was an accident, I can help all of you and if you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug—I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


according to Deepak's deposition, he said: "KALPOE:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night."

When asked what Deepak meant when he said in the Skeeters taped interview:
"You'd be surprised how simple it was that night",
 DEEPAK TESTIFIED: "You would be surprised how simple it was that night how uneventful that night
was, how short it was, just I dropped off two people and I went home."




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Kermit

I don't believe Joran's words in the Range Rover confession ... I don't believe Deepak's explanation in his deposition.  As Beth Holloway claims Deepak and Satish have been "deeply" involved from day one.  My hope is that the Judge does not buy it.  Hans Mos fell for hit hook, line and sinker.

Nevertheless ... an official investigation of Skeeters' hard drive will reveal to the world  the truth regarding the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording.  The answer to whether or not McGraw's editor/s manipulated or edited the recording will be exposed.

The courts have already determined that Jamie Skeeters was not a participant in any wrongdoing.

Janet

+++++


Day One

NANCY GRACE
Kalpoe Brothers Rearrested
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 04, 2011, 03:23:13 PM

ROGER SCRUX CLAIMED THAT HE RECEIVED THE SKEETERS TAPE DIRECTLY FROM ARUBA LAW ENFORCEMENT - THEY GAVE EVIDENCE TO A BLOGGER!

http://www.scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=118
January 30, 2006

I only know what I have been told. I received the recording directly from the Aruban Police Department. I was told that it is exactly what was provided to the NFI (Netherlands Forensic Institute) and verified as having not been manipulated in any way.

<snipped>

Some people have speculated that I probably got this from a defense attorney or maybe one of the Aruban public relations groups. I did not get a copy from any of those sources. I simply would not have hosted the recording if it had come from anyone other than the proper authority. Receiving this directly from the Aruban Police provided me assurance and confidence that it was exactly what they maintained it to be.






TRANSCRIPT - JAMIE SKEETERS/DEEPAK KALPOE INTERVIEW

The NFI/ALE Recording?

<snipped>

Jamie Skeeters: Nobody told her that you can't f*** her. You know? I mean...
and I'm sure she had sex with all of you. And...
Whoop! (high pitched shriek)

Deepak Kalpoe: No. She didn't. (Shakes his head left to right five times)
 
Jamie Skeeters: Ok, well. I mean... good.  If she did (next syllable unintelligible)

(the sound after "did" cannot be discerned, obscurred by Deepak's "You'd")
 
Deepak Kalpoe: You'd be surprised how simple it was that night.
 
Jamie Skeeters: Really?

<snipped>

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg1script.htm


The Phil McGraw Recording

'The Abrams Report' for Dec. 1st
ated 12/2/2005 9:00:37 AM ET


<snipped>

SKEETERS:  If it was an accident, I can help all of you and if you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug—I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10294603/


according to Deepak's deposition, he said: "KALPOE:  She did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night."

When asked what Deepak meant when he said in the Skeeters taped interview:
"You'd be surprised how simple it was that night",
 DEEPAK TESTIFIED: "You would be surprised how simple it was that night how uneventful that night
was, how short it was, just I dropped off two people and I went home."




He had to go home to wash his car in the middle of the night.  Yeah, sure, Deepak.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 04:03:16 PM
THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE

In the early morning of May 30, 2005, the Kalpoes were observed by neighbours cleaning Deepak’s vehicle.

If Deepak Kalpoe's only participation in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 was dropping Joran van der Sloot and a live Natalee Holloway off at the beach ... what motivated him and his brother to clean the inside of his vehicle a short time later?

Why did Deepak or Satish fail to declare the early morning cleaning of the vehicle in their witness or suspect statements.

+++++++++

NEW YORK LAWSUIT
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.


40. In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan.

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp8.html


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Feb. 16
updated 1:14 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 17, 2006


JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 04:05:57 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 04, 2011, 04:09:36 PM
OT: If you're anywhere near Northeast Tn............. check the weather! This one is BAD!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 04:25:45 PM
In Deepak's June 20th suspect statement ... he acknowleges that he cleaned his vehicle on Sunday, May 29th.

The implication of Deepak's words in this statement is huge.  It appears that LE was questioning Deepak prior to Beth and Jug's arrival on the Island.  Could it be that on May 30th the cover up was in full swing?  On May 30th were the i's being dotted and the t's crossed in anticipation of the fallout encompassing a tourist who missed her flight home to Alabama that morning.

Janet

+++++

Deepak Kalpoe -Suspect Statement - June 10, 2005

<snipped>

To your question since when I have my car, I can state the following. I bought the car about two years ago.

To your question whether it was a new of used car, I can state the following. I was a used car.

To your question as to how often I wash my car, I can state the following. Usually the car wash does my car and I do it every two weeks.

To your question whether I washed my car in the past two weeks, I can state the following. I have not washed my car in the past two weeks.

To your question where I park my car at home, I can state the following, at home I park my car with the backside of the car under a tree.

To your question as to how it is possible that my car looks so clean, I can state the following. My car according to me is not clean because if you look at the outside you can see there is mud on the bottom of the car.

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

To your question as to why I had vacuumed my car the previous day, I can state the following. I thought my car was dirty on the inside there was a lot of sand.

To your question as to how dirty my car was on the inside, I can state the following. There was a lot of sand inside of the car.

To your question as to when I had been to the beach for the last time, I can state the following. I had been to a party on the beach about two or three weeks ago.

To your question as to where the sand came from the day in question that I vacuumed the car, I can state the following. The sand came from Joran, because he had almost fallen into the water and after that he had sat down in my car with sand on his shorts and on his legs.

To your question as to why I vacuumed the car on that Sunday in question, I can state the following. I thought it was dirty.

To your question as to why, after having driven in the car all that time, I chose that particular Sunday to vacuum my car, I can state the following. It is my car, and I can vacuum it when I want. I clean my car when I want to clean it.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=215.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
OT: If you're anywhere near Northeast Tn............. check the weather! This one is BAD!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I have CNN on.  Nothing.  Whats up CBB?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 04:37:11 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

April 4, 2011

Weather Service reports at least two tornadoes in Nashville area

UPDATED: 2:30 p.m.

The National Weather Service has received reports of at least two tornadoes and one funnel cloud in the Nashville area.

Callers reported a tornado one mile west of the CoolSprings Mall about 2:10 p.m.

A second caller reported another tornado near Dickson, according to Brittney Whitehead with the National Weather Service.

She said a funnel cloud was also spotted five miles southeast of Nashville near Percy Priest Lake.

<snipped>

MORE:
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110404/NEWS01/110404003/-1/WEDDINGS/Weather-Service-reports-least-two-tornadoes-Nashville-area-


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 04, 2011, 05:13:59 PM
Tornado hits Kentucky factory; other storms strike the SouthBy the CNN Wire Staff
April 4, 2011 -- Updated 2059 GMT (0459 HKT)


(CNN) -- A tornado zeroed in Monday afternoon on a manufacturing plant in southwestern Kentucky, tossing pieces of the roof, collapsing part of the aluminum structure and injuring seven people, officials said.

Elsewhere in the South, thunderstorms caused damage, injuries and power failures.

Severe thunderstorm warnings extended from Atlanta to Charleston, West Virginia, and eastern Ohio.

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/04/04/severe.weather/index.html?hpt=P1



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2011, 07:00:18 PM
Hope everyone in the storm area is safe


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 04, 2011, 08:29:55 PM
Hope everyone in the storm area is safe

We are under a tornado watch.  The wind is blowing.  It is thundering and lightening
and there is a 100 lb dog in my lap because he is afraid.
All is well. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: San on April 04, 2011, 09:05:11 PM
Hope everyone in the storm area is safe

We are under a tornado watch.  The wind is blowing.  It is thundering and lightening
and there is a 100 lb dog in my lap because he is afraid.
All is well. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Glad everything is OK Magnolia.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2011, 12:06:54 AM
Reminder - the defendants in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case must file their reasons my today, April 4, why they believe the judge should order a Summary Judgement.  So, in the next few days those documents should become available.  I'll keep an eye out for them.    ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2011, 12:09:54 AM
Reminder - the defendants in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case must file their reasons my today, April 4, why they believe the judge should order a Summary Judgement.  So, in the next few days those documents should become available.  I'll keep an eye out for them.    ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2011, 02:29:32 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 05, 2011, 10:20:23 AM
Reminder - the defendants in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case must file their reasons my today, April 4, why they believe the judge should order a Summary Judgement.  So, in the next few days those documents should become available.  I'll keep an eye out for them.    ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas.

Has a date been determined by the court when the Summary Judgement will be forthcoming?

Janet

+++++++


Attorney Charles Babcock

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

"The plaintiffs had filed an ex parte motion ... and said we want to take the deposition of Beth Holloway," (Dr. Phil's Attorney Charles) Babcock said. "She wasn't one of the eight people they [had] listed as necessary for their summary judgment, so we filed an emergency paper with the court and we said we are not opposed to her deposition being taken, but we do not want this to be another excuse to continue the summary judgment hearing for the third time because we think this case will be dismissed."

Babcock added, "We specifically said in our response [that] we are not opposed to having the deposition of Natalee's mom. In fact, she is one of our best witnesses, so why would we try to block that testimony?"

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/
 

Beth Holloway dragged into Dr. Phil lawsuit
Published: 3/16 7:25 am
Updated: 3/16 7:41 am


Birmingham, Al  (CBS42)  Beth Holloway will have to do a deposition in a lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil according to documents cited by the website TMZ.

<snipped>

The lawsuit claims Beth Holloway was privy to information "surrounding the motives and production of the show."   

Lawyers for Dr. Phil and CBS say they only fought the deposition because it would slow down action on their motion to dismiss the lawsuit.  According to TMZ, the judge in the case is proceeding with both the deposition and consideration of the motion to dismiss.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-dragged-into-Dr-Phil-lawsuit/jmg9Nn_al0yExRHHa--mrg.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2011, 10:28:53 AM
Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 05, 2011, 10:50:47 AM
Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Only six more sleeps!

Thanks Klaas

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 05, 2011, 11:20:39 AM
Dr. Phil Tried to Blindside Oprah
Originally posted Apr 1st 2011 9:38 AM PDT
by TMZ Staff

http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/01/dr-phil-oprah-winfrey-competiton-stealing-guests-natalee-holloway-beth-producer-email-aruba-staff/print


Emails

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0401_phil_oprah_TMZ.pdf


The emails appears to be about the landfill witness ... not Skeeters' recorded interview with Deepak.  I could be wrong.

Nevertheless ... there is no indication that Beth was a participant in any wrongdoing.

Janet

++++

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2731/?id=2731&showID=575


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 05, 2011, 12:12:53 PM
Beth Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST: So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Dave Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 05, 2011, 12:39:56 PM

According to Deepak Kalpoe:

Transcript: Deepak Kalpoe's Deposition

Q.  Now you learn that FBI was involved.  How did you learn that?

A.  I read or heard in the press that Jamie Skeeters was unwilling to provide the hard drives and they had to seize it with a warrant

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9456.400


According to Jamie Skeeters:

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


COSBY: All of the tapes or just part of the tapes?

SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Oct. 12th
updated 8:04 p.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 12, 2005


SKEETERS: Well, see, that‘s the big issue here, Rita. I handed these tapes over to a very reliable company—it‘s called the FBI—a week or two ago. I‘m from the old school. I don‘t bring these things out in the public. You keep the integrity and the credibility of the evidence, and I can‘t think of anybody more credible than the FBI.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


Tale of the Tape Thursday
December 01, 2005


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said  — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2011, 05:44:11 PM
FYI - I just got an email from Kathy Drenga and it appears her computer has been infected with a virus and it's sending out emails with a link.  Do not open the link, it is a virus.  I'm sure that Kath is not doing this intentional, her computer has been infected. 

This is just a warning to watch out for any unusual emails you may get from her.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 05, 2011, 05:57:21 PM
FYI - I just got an email from Kathy Drenga and it appears her computer has been infected with a virus and it's sending out emails with a link.  Do not open the link, it is a virus.  I'm sure that Kath is not doing this intentional, her computer has been infected. 

This is just a warning to watch out for any unusual emails you may get from her.

Kathy Drenga? Hotshot?

Janet

+++++

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.  There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help.  I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM »


CAPS knows Silvetti from me  Silvetti did do the pond and then they wouldnt let him back in after all the maps were made of the pond.  About Jossy, i know nothing about that.  I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #791 1/6/09 -
« Reply #498 on: January 08, 2009, 09:15:29 AM »


Beth is a very good woman, don't get me wrong, but what is OK with her doesn't mean the rest of the family is OK with it.  The movie coming out is one of those things.  Dave soesn't want the lifetime movie.  He says enough is enough, "Thats my little girl".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4351.msg617348;topicseen#msg617348


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2011, 05:59:55 PM
Yes


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 05, 2011, 06:04:52 PM
ANOMINO AKA CAPSLOCKWIZARD

It appears that Kathy/HotShot's friend Anomino/CaplockWizard is one with Gerold Dompig contention in regards to Natalee Holloway's disappearance possibly having everything to do with an insurance fraud orchestrated by her family.

++++++++++

ANOMINO

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating


#22 Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something

A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?

Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,

or is it this question

IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


GEROLD DOMPIG

DIARIO Aruba
10/26/2005

 
This because a case such as Natalee’s has different scenarios. One scenario is that a person killed Natalee, or for whatever reason she is no longer living.

Another scenario is that she is alive, but everything in the case is a ‘set up’, to profit in one way or another.

One possibility for example is that they said she is deceased, and they can collect the life insurance money, while in reality she is not deceased, but another way is that with collecting funds from people with good intentions that send money for the fund and the family enriches themselves.

If the mother gives information about how much money there is and how much money she is spending, he has no problem with this. However, if the mother has everything secret, this becomes part of the investigation because it puts the case in a different light.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 10/27/2005 10:52:00 AM


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_23_archive.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2011, 06:08:40 PM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/04-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Custody extended Merryweathers

ORANGE CITY - The detention of suspects and Philip Herbert Merry Weather is the end of last
week by the bankruptcy judge extended by eight days. The fact that the two were still locked, has according to their lawyer to deal with the discovery of illegal weapons were found during searches of homes and business premises of the suspects. According to attorney Chris
Lejuez, the duo represents the weapons found in the house at Alto Vista, part of an ancient
collection of weapons from Philip. These weapons, according to the lawyer disagrees more work. In the house Herbert, however, seems a functional gun found, which the owner has no license had. Lejuez reports that this weapon belonged to Meanwhile a friend deceased. This friend the weapon was only years luv left so that Herbert himself and his family would be protected. At that time his namely home for women the door the victim of a robbery and
badly beaten. The lawyer claims that the raids had nothing to do found with weapons and
that the defendants already free feet if there had been No weapons were found.
The treatment for magistrate end last week took place in the office of the prosecution and not as usual in the Courthouse. Family and friends of the pair stood before the gates the office waiting the suspects a heart below the belt stabbing. In associated with back pain Herbert brought to KIA to get his provisional custody to sit. The prison because better facilities than the police cell where suspects normally up to ten days remain in custody sit. 
::snipping2::


Illegal possession of firearms

The Public Prosecution (OM) acts tough on illegal possession of firearms.  The directive for possession without a permit is one year imprisonment.  The provision of arms licenses is since early this year stricter conditions. Anyone possesses a firearm must now have an individual clearance. All permissions are granted before January 1, 2011, including the collective licensing of rifle, lapsed and no longer valid.   
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
Money launderers like to have weapons around just in case ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2011, 07:19:34 PM
The same possession of unlicensed firearms laws were in place before the son of ex minister Ramon Lee was arrested for a 38 special found in his home last year.  The way the law read the person would remain in custody until their trial, and iirc there was a minimum one year sentence written into that law.  Well....the law was not followed in that case so I don't look for it to be applied in this one either. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Remember, Herbert Merryweather is also the son of former minister John Merryweather.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1068386#msg1068386

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1068847#msg1068847
 ::snipping2::
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_67657.php

Son of former minister arrested

January 19, 2010, 12:17 (GMT -04:00)
 ::snipping2::
Quote
The suspect is an unconditional prison sentence of one years over the head. The Public Prosecutor (OM) late last year held a fundraising event, where citizens without risk of prosecution could surrender illegal firearms. The action lasted from September 2 to December 5, 2009 and delivered a nine firearms. The action was "a line drawn". The prosecution announced that after this period would be more stringent action against illegal firearms. Violators may, if the OM is not just rely on one big prison, but will also remain in custody until their case comes to court. This can sometimes take up to three months.


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/15446-polis-a-detene-awe-yiu-di-ex-minister-ramon-lee-cu-revolver-38-special.html

police owing to detene today child of ex minister ramon lee cu revolver 38 special

monday, 18 january 2010 16:44

the son of ex minister ramon lee is deteni. esey owing to sosode after cu owing to haye cu one arm of candela enough powerful. past owing to admiti also of have the arm some month end. all cos owing to cuminsa hour cu thief will owing to enter at home in area of north where the is bibando cu his casa or girlfriend. police owing to being calling for come atende the caso. clck read more for more detayes.. during investigacion the senjora was show police more or less where the ladronnan owing to happen. during the investigacion behold police owing to come come across cu one arm powerful. here is deal of one revolver caliber 38 special. at once owing to busca right of the donjo of the arm. the senjora owing to tell cu the arm do not of dje. owing to resulta cu was deal arm of he t.f. lee that is trahando also at one agencia of car at aruba.
::snipping2::
the same person here some anja happen owing to become victima hour cu child of one advocate owing to tire behind one nightclub at palm beach.

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/23710-tai-foo-courtney-lee-condena-pa-posecion-di-arma.html

tai foo courtney lee condena for posecion of arm

tuesday, 02 november 2010 10:07

child of ex minister ramon lee, esta tai foo courtney lee owing to hear yesterday of corte superor cu the is wordo castiga at 3 month of jail condicional cu one time of proof of 2 year y also afl. 2500 at multa. the sentencia of corte superior owing to come after cu ministerio owing to apela the first sentencia, relaciona cu posecion ilegal of one arm of candela.

Comments:

scirbi for trompfjb, november 02, 2010
afl 2500 is one multa??? sad for hear cu yui of ramon lee owing to find only 3 month of jail voorwaardelijk. this is klasse justitie in optima form. everybody cu arm of candela have to go kia for at least 1 year. as all another aruban cu comete the crimen here, because one criminal the is. what clase of jurisprudentie this is for casonan cu is go come. consider for hour police garabo cu arm of candela for do you father or mamma is member of parliament or minister. sad. +4 come across...

scirbi for straightpoint, november 02, 2010
hour are you make bad, the is come bek pabo. then in the caso here in form multiple. life sweet owing to end.
1. sit castigo of 3 month.
2. one multa of 2500,00.
but this do not all cos. the person here ta:
1. live in one cas of lotto for sport.
2. do not pay huur.
3. do not pay water.
4. do not pay coriente.
5. is core in car of lotto for sport.
for colmo ela bay sconde the car of lotto for they not place sticker of lotto on the car. the person here his future relacion of job cu lotto for sport assure,no is brilliante more. +2 come across...

 ::snipping2::

And look who posted on Philip Merryweather's FB page the day before his arrest... ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Merryweather/03292011_PhilipMerryweatherFBwall_TaiFooBenoitLee-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2011, 09:49:15 PM
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/peter-r.-de-vries-is-terug/

Google translation:

Monday, April 4, 2011, 11:22 hours

News

Peter R. Ferris is back!

Sunday at 21:30 pm on SBS 6

After five months to prepare fully, Peter R. Ferris back this Sunday! With an exciting search for escaped criminals as many as nine, including three wanted assassins. They committed their atrocities in Suriname and fled to the Netherlands where they have built new lives undisturbed. Until now ...

Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, Sunday, April 10th at 21:30 at SBS 6

Last Updated: Monday, April 4, 2011, 11:26 hours


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2011, 10:15:22 PM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2011, 04:42:37 PM
Philip Herbert Merryweather?  Attorney Chris Lejuez?
______

Flashback

Zvezdana Vukojevic?


Was Zvezdana Veukojevic the biographer who forewarned Daury Rodriguez that he would become a person of interest in the Natalee Holloway case from a media perspective because Joran had falsely implicated him in the Range Rover "confession".

Janet

++++++

Daury Rodriguez

Mystery Man in Holloway Case Comes Forward
Man Named As Accomplice By Van der Sloot Denies Involvement in Aruba Disappearance
Feb. 4, 2008


Daury Rodriguez said he was contacted on Saturday by a frantic biographer of Van der Sloot's who, he said, warned him that his name was about to surface in the press as being the alleged accomplice who took Holloway's body out to sea in a boat and dumped it.

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true.

Rodriguez retained an Aruban lawyer when he realized he was implicated in the case, and said he asked the biographer to put him in touch with Van der Sloot, but she refused. ....
 
Rodriguez's attorney Chris Lejuez said his client was born in Colombia, but moved to Aruba as a child when his mother married an Aruban man. Lejuez said Rodriguez moved to Rotterdam to attend trade school in 2004, and stayed on through June or July of 2007, working there. Rodriguez returned to Aruba in January and December of 2005 for vacation, but was not on the island for months before or after Holloway's disappearance.  He told ABC News he never owned a boat. "I never had one, and I don't have one,'' he said.

Entire Article:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=2
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4239135&page=3


Exposed - Patrick Vander Eem

PATRICK: What is his name?

JORAN: Daury

PATRICK: Daury what? Is he Dutch?

JORAN: Yes.  Half Dutch. Half Aruban.  Dutch Mother.


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case


Peter Devries:

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2011, 04:55:22 PM
Author Zvezdana Vukojevic Tried To Enter Liquor For JVDS

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT EVENT

Dutch journalist would have tried to enter liquor Castro Castro for Van der Sloot
 
Zvezdana Vukojević, author of "The case of Natalee Holloway",  wanted to enter the prison a bottle of vodka for the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores , said "American News"
 
Sunday December 26, 2010 - 11:09 a.m

A Dutch journalist would have tried to enter liquor Miguel Castro Castro to gifts by parties to the confessed murderer of Stephany Flores, Joran Van der Sloot , who is detained in the prison since June.

As reported by "American News", the woman is Zvezdana Vukojević, author of "The case of Natalee Holloway, the young American who disappeared in Aruba in mysterious circumstances after being last seen with the Dutch.

The news said he could not pass Vukojević controls Castro Castro prison because within its portfolio had a bottle of vodka, it would be a gift for Van der Sloot, who had an interview.

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/689760/noticia-periodista-holandesa-habria-intentado-ingresar-licor-castro-castro-van-der-sloot

Google Translation...

Source - RU


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
OK, some of the documents filed by the Defendants are available.  Most is just legal jargon objecting to the plaintiff's objection to the Summary Judgement.  I'll post information of interest as I run across it.  This one part right here goes to the heart of the defamation (or lack of) case IMO:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5105/5595919371_b666a07f1f_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 06:14:40 PM
More from the Dr. Phil team, objections to the objection to the Summary Judgement

Deepak and Satish think they can change their story as much as Joran and we won't remember  ::MonkeyCool:: :



(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5596525990_1ed0f09683_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 06:23:52 PM
More from the Dr. Phil team, objections to the objection to the Summary Judgement:

 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5023/5595963989_efa846af1c_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5101/5596555594_8482708ab3_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 06:42:44 PM
Remember what I've always said, you can't defame a dirtbag  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5183/5596003185_c06c51fa1c_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 06, 2011, 06:43:20 PM
Thanks Klaas and anonymous donor.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 06:46:10 PM
YW Can.  I'm trying to post what I can but a lot of it is not worth posting.  There were 4 documents available this afternoon and I got all 4.  I'll continue to post excerpts of them as time allows.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 06, 2011, 06:56:10 PM
YW Can.  I'm trying to post what I can but a lot of it is not worth posting.  There were 4 documents available this afternoon and I got all 4.  I'll continue to post excerpts of them as time allows.


I think I really like Babcock and the rest of the Dr. Phil lawyers! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks, Klaas and anon monkey. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 06:56:34 PM
Dr. Phil team opposition to opposition to Summary Judgement - INTRODUCTION:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5025/5596606086_2b3fbfdf83_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5308/5596611090_2c276c4624_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2011, 07:08:58 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I am really anticipating April 11th.  Only more sleeps!!!

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 06, 2011, 07:12:59 PM
Thank you Klaas for procuring and processing the documents and for posting them here.  And thank you anonymous donor!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 06, 2011, 07:18:15 PM
Didn't the judge in the Skeeter's case already declare that the Kalpoes were
public figures before he dismissed that case?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2011, 07:45:43 PM
Didn't the judge in the Skeeter's case already declare that the Kalpoes were
public figures before he dismissed that case?


According to the Court

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES

Page 14:
  To the extent that the Dr. Phil Show Defendants can be shown to have been negligent or reckless in the way they edited the show and thus potentially liable, there is no competent showing the Defendant Skeeter was so involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/kalpoedrphil050609awm.pdf


According to the Defence Attorneys

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys[/i



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 06, 2011, 09:24:50 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I am really anticipating April 11th.  Only more sleeps!!!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet, Monday is April 11.  We should hear about the judge's decision by this Friday.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 06, 2011, 09:41:47 PM
Dr. Phil team opposition to opposition to Summary Judgement - INTRODUCTION:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5025/5596606086_2b3fbfdf83_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5308/5596611090_2c276c4624_b.jpg)

Thank you Klaas and anonymous monkey!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Plaintiffs sued the police?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2011, 09:44:49 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I am really anticipating April 11th.  Only five more sleeps!!!

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet, Monday is April 11.  We should hear about the judge's decision by this Friday.

There is something I am not getting.  Story of my life.

Janet

+++++

Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 10:11:12 PM
Janet - you are right.  The hearing is Monday the 11th so we won't know what the decision is until sometime after unless it hits the NEWS.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2011, 10:14:41 PM
Thanks Klaas

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2011, 10:17:05 PM
But IF the judge rules in favor of the defendants on Monday, I imagine it will be all over the news.  Actually, whatever the decision will probably make the news.  So we may know as soon as Monday what the decision is.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 06, 2011, 11:07:22 PM
But IF the judge rules in favor of the defendants on Monday, I imagine it will be all over the news.  Actually, whatever the decision will probably make the news.  So we may know as soon as Monday what the decision is.

If the defamation lawsuit is thrown out ... is disclosure of all financial backers a legal possibility.  There is no way Phil McGraw can be reinbursed from the Kalpoes for the huge costs incurred defending this lawsuit.

Janet

+++++

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye.

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

The Chicago law firm representing the Kalpoe brothers did not immediately return calls for comment.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 12:24:48 AM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6570&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

doctor owing to comete error y one lady young is lose his life

tuesday, 05 april 2011

oranjestad-

 ::snipping2::

one lady young of barely 42 year, owing to come fayece in dr horacio oduber hospitaal, not owing to consecuencia of one ailment or accidente, but by of damage barbaro cometi for his ginecologo.informacionnan extra oficial ricibi is show cu the lady young here j.l. of 42 year, owing to bay his specialista for curateer but during of the proceso here, past owing to become more bad, achieve one infeccion earnest y fayece owing to consecuencia of this. result of autopsia owing to confirma cu the lady young here owing to lose his life for motibo cu the doctor envolvi, during of the proceso of curateer, the specialista owing to bore his intestines y his baarmoeder, without cu past owing to notice this, thing owing to place cu the madam owing to come achieve one infeccion pisa cu diadomingo owing to come cost’e his life. is arise the question now of kico is bay happen in one caso so y if autoridadnan is bay actua for investiga his is existi one posibilidad for persecucion penal contra of the doctor concerni. dead of the lady young here owing to cause one impacto serious, not only in the lady his seno familiar, but in all comunidad already cu genuinely not was necesario for her lady here lose his life, if not was have negligencia medico. kico is bay happen now y that is bay give ordo for let investiga the caso here for of the form here also, the famianan busca the husticia cu they're believe they have derecho upstairs. have to existi one posibilidad for ministerio publico also atende the type of casonan here, y not stay stop one near, permiti the abusonan medico here follow they curso, without brinda the victimanan, the derecho of complain one doctor in momentonan so.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 12:48:37 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 12:50:39 AM
Please light a candle and say a prayer for Natalee and her family. 
 
::MonkeyAngel::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 07, 2011, 03:20:12 AM
Who says the Monkey's don't have connections..


TICK TOCK

Government Shutdown Possible Even If Deal Is Reached


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/


::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 07, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
YW Can.  I'm trying to post what I can but a lot of it is not worth posting.  There were 4 documents available this afternoon and I got all 4.  I'll continue to post excerpts of them as time allows.

That's great Klaas.   ::MonkeyAngel::

...and you're right about dirt bags too!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 07, 2011, 09:55:41 AM
Please light a candle and say a prayer for Natalee and her family. 
 
::MonkeyAngel::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thanks texasmom.   ::MonkeyAngel::

2NJ would be pleased to see you looking after this, as she did so faithfully for so long.  Thank you.

God bless Natalee, Stefany, 2NJ and their families.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 07, 2011, 09:59:35 AM
YW Can.  I'm trying to post what I can but a lot of it is not worth posting.  There were 4 documents available this afternoon and I got all 4.  I'll continue to post excerpts of them as time allows.


I think I really like Babcock and the rest of the Dr. Phil lawyers! ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thanks, Klaas and anon monkey. ::MonkeyKiss::

I like Babcock and the rest of Dr. Phil's lawyers too Magnolia!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 11:22:35 AM

Attorney Charles Babcock

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

"The plaintiffs had filed an ex parte motion ... and said we want to take the deposition of Beth Holloway," (Dr. Phil's Attorney Charles) Babcock said. "She wasn't one of the eight people they [had] listed as necessary for their summary judgment, so we filed an emergency paper with the court and we said we are not opposed to her deposition being taken, but we do not want this to be another excuse to continue the summary judgment hearing for the third time because we think this case will be dismissed."

Babcock added, "We specifically said in our response [that] we are not opposed to having the deposition of Natalee's mom. In fact, she is one of our best witnesses, so why would we try to block that testimony?"

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/
 

Beth Holloway dragged into Dr. Phil lawsuit
Published: 3/16 7:25 am
Updated: 3/16 7:41 am


Birmingham, Al  (CBS42)  Beth Holloway will have to do a deposition in a lawsuit against talk show host Dr. Phil according to documents cited by the website TMZ.

<snipped>

The lawsuit claims Beth Holloway was privy to information "surrounding the motives and production of the show."   

Lawyers for Dr. Phil and CBS say they only fought the deposition because it would slow down action on their motion to dismiss the lawsuit.  According to TMZ, the judge in the case is proceeding with both the deposition and consideration of the motion to dismiss.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-Holloway-dragged-into-Dr-Phil-lawsuit/jmg9Nn_al0yExRHHa--mrg.cspx


I hope the Summary Judgement that is scheduled to happen on Monday is not delayed once again.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 11:24:18 AM
Beth Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST: So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Dave Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 01:20:48 PM
The Second Tragedy

Beth Holloway
Oprah Radio  |  January 01, 2008


Gayle King:

<snipped>

Beth says her faith has helped her through the ups and downs of the case, but she doesn't believe Natalee is alive. "What I always knew and believed was that Natalee had a strong relationship with God, and I truly felt that God cared for her through whatever ordeal she went through," Beth says.

Beth says she continues to hope that someone knows what happened to her daughter and will come forward. In the meantime, Beth says she is trying to prevent this type of tragedy from happening to others. She created the International Safe Travels Foundation, an organization dedicated to educating travelers so they can plan, travel and return home safely. "I feel as if our tragedy was losing Natalee, and I truly feel the second tragedy would be if we failed to learn from it and share, and that is what I am committed to do," she says.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahradio/Beth-Holloway

Audio:
http://www.oprah.com/oprahradio/Beth-Holloway_1

++++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

 :smt060



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
More from the Dr. Phil team, objections to the objection to the Summary Judgement

Deepak and Satish think they can change their story as much as Joran and we won't remember  ::MonkeyCool:: :



(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5596525990_1ed0f09683_b.jpg)



Monkeys have the Aruban strategy figured out but ... does the judge.

Four more sleeps!

Janet

++++



Hans Mos

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


William Cremer

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

<snipped>

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html




klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »


I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 05:49:32 PM
More from the Dr. Phil team, objections to the objection to the Summary Judgement

Deepak and Satish think they can change their story as much as Joran and we won't remember  ::MonkeyCool:: :



(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5596525990_1ed0f09683_b.jpg)



I knew it!

Following the revelation of the Range Rover "confession" in February, 2008 that distanced the Kalpoes from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30th ... my immediate suspicion was that Joran van der Sloot had been made aware of the "secret" recording by the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" ... the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" who Patrick vander Eem and Peter Devries admittedly  had been in consultation with in regards to the operation.

I theorized that the new Aruban/Dutch strategy implied that Joran who was minor on May 30, 2005 would be the sacrificial lamp in the the Natalee Holloway case and ... all other participants in the happenings encompassing that fateful morning would be distanced ... all participants in the persuing cover up that prevented justice from prevailing would be distanced and ... all connections to Aruba's underground economy would be distanced.  Above all ... Natalee's family would be appeased believing the truth had been revealed.

I also theorized that the distancing of Deepak and Satish by Joran in the Range Rover "confession" would be used as a source of evidence by the Plaintiff's attorneys in the defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw.

In February, 2009 ... my DIL compiled a document entitled "The Involvement of the Kalpoes" and emailed it to Phil McGraw's attorney.

Janet

+++++


The Persistence Undertaking

private eye
Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


... But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 06:02:11 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5917:joran-mag-straf-mogelijk-in-nederland-uitzitten&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Joran may serve sentence possible in the Netherlands

Thursday, April 7, 2011 3:43 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - Joran van der Sloot may, if he is convicted, his punishment may serve partly in the Netherlands. To this end, the Cabinet recently approved a bill in the Netherlands.

Peru and the Netherlands have already called a WOTS treaty. This stands for Law Enforcement of Criminal Judgments. This act is penalized for Dutch prisoners abroad back to their homeland to the remaining sentence in the Netherlands to serve. Under the treaty must first be a prisoner a "substantial part" of his sentence in Peru prison. The treaty was already long in the planning, but initially encountered problems in Peru. The Cabinet has recently agreed to a bill and the proposal is for advice to the Council of State.

Should he be convicted, then certainly Joran ears to the possibility of his sentence in the Netherlands again, says his lawyer Máximo Altez in the Dutch media. Above in order to qualify, Joran in Peru have been convicted and are exhausted or redundant. "But first it would have to come to a conviction and there is as yet no", his lawyer said in the media.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 06:14:10 PM
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/politiek/2011/04/joran_mogelijk_in_nederlandse.html

Google translation:

APRIL 6 2011-23:51

JORAN POSSIBLE DUTCH CELL

Joran van der Sloot, if he is convicted in Peru for murder, possibly a part of his sentence in the Netherlands serve. A prisoner must normally first have a "substantial part" of his sentence in Peru prison.

Peru and the Netherlands have recently WOTS a treaty, which stands for Law Enforcement of Criminal Judgments shipment. Based on this law, a portion of their prison sentences in their homeland serve.

Van der Sloot has certainly be interested to serve his sentence in the Netherlands to sit, reports Reuters news agency. But first he must "inevitably" be damned. This means that all appeals have been exhausted.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on April 07, 2011, 06:17:41 PM
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/politiek/2011/04/joran_mogelijk_in_nederlandse.html

Google translation:

APRIL 6 2011-23:51

JORAN POSSIBLE DUTCH CELL

Joran van der Sloot, if he is convicted in Peru for murder, possibly a part of his sentence in the Netherlands serve. A prisoner must normally first have a "substantial part" of his sentence in Peru prison.

Peru and the Netherlands have recently WOTS a treaty, which stands for Law Enforcement of Criminal Judgments shipment. Based on this law, a portion of their prison sentences in their homeland serve.

Van der Sloot has certainly be interested to serve his sentence in the Netherlands to sit, reports Reuters news agency. But first he must "inevitably" be damned. This means that all appeals have been exhausted.
 ::snipping2::


Well, this isn't good.  He needs to stay in Peru (and die in Peru), if not in Peru he needs to be right here in the United States.  Hopefully he will never see the light of day from his rathole he is in right now.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 07, 2011, 06:39:20 PM
Joran will never live through a "substantial portion" of his sentence in Peru.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 06:44:06 PM

I have a hinky feeling that there will be negotiations happening behind the scenes between the Peruvian Judicial and Aruban/Dutch "powers that be".

For now Joran has holds the Ace in the card game.

If Joran is forced to served 30 years in a Peruvian lockup ... Aruba and Holland realize that he is not going to keep his mouth shut.  Joran will expose those who have knowledge and/or participated in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 as well as those who have knowledge and participated in the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

The implications are far reaching.  Aruba/Holland's dirty little secrets encompassing respective underground economies will be exposed if Joran feels betrayed.  In a "rage" ... he may take "passionate" action and reveal all.  In other words the Aruban/Dutch house of cards will collapse.

Janet

+++++


No Grounds to Release

NANCY GRACE
Aired September 13, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html


The Hague?

On the Record w/ Greta  - November 14, 2005

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: They are saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ... it has to be.

<snipped>

Transcript Credit: Heli
Refugees Unleased


 

BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 06:50:11 PM
San
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 -
« Reply #1553 on: June 26, 2010, 12:47:13 AM »


 just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

People like:

Van der Straaten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Karin Jannsen
Rick Smid
Bob Witt
Ben King
Michael Posner
Julia Renfro

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8145.msg1170391;topicseen#msg1170391


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 06:50:52 PM
Joran will never live through a "substantial portion" of his sentence in Peru.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 07, 2011, 06:56:07 PM
Joran will never live through a "substantial portion" of his sentence in Peru.

I am so sick of Joran pulling rabbits out of his hat! ::MonkeyMad::
Most turn out to be only a mirage, but I am still sick of him.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
It would be interesting to know the names of Dutch prisoners in Peruvian lockups without financial means ... without influencial connections ... who have been afforded the opportunity to serve a portion of their sentences in the Netherlands.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 07, 2011, 07:21:52 PM
It would be interesting to know the names of Dutch prisoners in Peruvian lockups without financial means ... without influencial connections ... who have been afforded the opportunity to serve a portion of their sentences in the Netherlands.

Janet


It is my understanding that the WOTs agreement had been in the Peru legislature for awhile.  It was just recently approved.  I don't think any Dutch have had the opportunity to use it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 07, 2011, 07:38:26 PM
It would be interesting to know the names of Dutch prisoners in Peruvian lockups without financial means ... without influencial connections ... who have been afforded the opportunity to serve a portion of their sentences in the Netherlands.

Janet


It is my understanding that the WOTs agreement had been in the Peru legislature for awhile.  It was just recently approved.  I don't think any Dutch have had the opportunity to use it.


I wonder if it makes a difference if the Dutch prisoner being held has been charged and found guilty of murder versus a Dutch prisoner that's been charged and found guilty of drug trafficking?  Not that I condone drug trafficking, but that's a lot less serious than a murder charge.  Why would/should a murderer be allowed to finish a sentence in the Netherlands when not only have they murdered a Peruvian citizen, but also murdered them in Peru?  Why not start with prisoners that have been charged and found guilty of something like drug trafficking?  Let them serve the majority of their sentence in Peru, and then let them finish it in the Netherlands, starting with perhaps those that have been charged with the least crime and/or been incarcerated longest and have exhibited good behavior, maybe? JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
Anticipated Natalee Holloway Related Highlights of 2011.

1.  The Defamation Lawsuit Outcome.
2.  The Beth Holloway "Vanished" Series.
3.  The Natalee Holloway Lifetime Sequel.
4.  The Persistence Betrayal Exposed.
5.  The Twists and Turns in the Stephany Flores Case.
6.  The Unexpected in the Natalee Holloway Case.

Oprah Winfrey Show - January 27, 2008

BETH HOLLOWAY: We've never really relied on an investigative approach to find an answer to Natalee. I think what we've relied on more heavily is that at any given moment something unexpected could happen and we really feel anyone could talk at any moment.

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 07, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
It would be interesting to know the names of Dutch prisoners in Peruvian lockups without financial means ... without influencial connections ... who have been afforded the opportunity to serve a portion of their sentences in the Netherlands.

Janet


It is my understanding that the WOTs agreement had been in the Peru legislature for awhile.  It was just recently approved.  I don't think any Dutch have had the opportunity to use it.


I wonder if it makes a difference if the Dutch prisoner being held has been charged and found guilty of murder versus a Dutch prisoner that's been charged and found guilty of drug trafficking?  Not that I condone drug trafficking, but that's a lot less serious than a murder charge.  Why would/should a murderer be allowed to finish a sentence in the Netherlands when not only have they murdered a Peruvian citizen, but also murdered them in Peru?  Why not start with prisoners that have been charged and found guilty of something like drug trafficking?  Let them serve the majority of their sentence in Peru, and then let them finish it in the Netherlands, starting with perhaps those that have been charged with the least crime and/or been incarcerated longest and have exhibited good behavior, maybe? JMHO



I don't know much about the final agreement.  There was a BIG to-do with Thailand because there was disagreement about the agreement.  A Wots agreement can either be stated as a "continued enforcement" or a "transfer".  The Dutch like the transfer idea because then the case can be heard by a Dutch judge (on Dutch standards) and most prisoners are released.  Thailand wanted continued enforcement.  I have no idea the specifics of Peru.  ::MonkeyConfused::  The place that Anita listed for Peru prisoners was the agency backing the treaty.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 07:53:59 PM
It would be interesting to know the names of Dutch prisoners in Peruvian lockups without financial means ... without influencial connections ... who have been afforded the opportunity to serve a portion of their sentences in the Netherlands.

Janet


It is my understanding that the WOTs agreement had been in the Peru legislature for awhile.  It was just recently approved.  I don't think any Dutch have had the opportunity to use it.


I wonder if it makes a difference if the Dutch prisoner being held has been charged and found guilty of murder versus a Dutch prisoner that's been charged and found guilty of drug trafficking?  Not that I condone drug trafficking, but that's a lot less serious than a murder charge.  Why would/should a murderer be allowed to finish a sentence in the Netherlands when not only have they murdered a Peruvian citizen, but also murdered them in Peru?  Why not start with prisoners that have been charged and found guilty of something like drug trafficking?  Let them serve the majority of their sentence in Peru, and then let them finish it in the Netherlands, starting with perhaps those that have been charged with the least crime and/or been incarcerated longest and have exhibited good behavior, maybe? JMHO


In a corrupt justice system those with financial means and influential connections are afforded the privileges.

++++++


Ricardo Flores:

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

November 10, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 08:17:16 PM
Van der Sloot's Prison Transfer Possibilities
Story Published: 6/09/2010 6:49 pm
Updated: 6/09/2010 10:44 pm


(Birmingham, AL) WIAT-

Some countries allow foreign prisoners to serve out prison sentences in their home countries. We explored whether that could be the case for Joran van der Sloot if he were to be convicted.
 
Peru has allowed foreign prisoner transfers in the past, but it is not as simple when the prisoner is Dutch.

"It is not possible during a trial…never. First of all, such a transfer can only take place after a Dutch citizen or any other nationality of citizen has been tried and convicted and all appeals have been exhausted. But such a transfer is only possible on the basis of a treaty and the Dutch and the Peruvian authorities have been negotiating such a treaty for the last two years. The treaty has not been concluded yet. At the moment it is with Peru, so there is not even such a treaty, so a transfer of any Dutch citizen at the moment is not possible," said  Floris van Hovell, a spokesman for the Royal Netherlands Embassy in Washington DC.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloots-Prison-Transfer-Possibilities/O5kU1zDXgUWAlkI9waaoEQ.cspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 08:51:29 PM
http://doldrieschteblogger.wordpress.com/

Google translation:


 ::snipping2::
What I think is just a travesty, that the draft laws in Peru of murder suspect Joran van der Sloot, if he is convicted, possibly a part of his sentence in the Netherlands can serve. Joran van der Sloot has certainly ears, his lawyer said Máximo Altez. It should not be much crazier, I thought, when this article came to me under my eyes. Quick look at the date, since January 1 was the April Fools joke, but no, it's not a cheap box.

That this scheme was used for naive tourists and truck drivers who get caught with a few grams of drugs, and for this absurd sentences get high, I can quite agree with this. But for a scum like Joran van der Sloot should be no leniency. Indeed, in my opinion he would never again be allowed the opportunity to make contact with ladies.

To be eligible for this, the Dutchman in Peru was "irrevocable" condemned, let a spokesman for the Ministry of Security and Justice know. This is only the case if, after a ruling exhausted all appeals or redundant.

"But first it would have to come to a conviction and there is as yet no", says his lawyer.

Van der Sloot is suspected of killing the 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores late May last year. The Peruvian justice to him for thirty years behind bars, but his lawyer claims that this should be a maximum of five years. The process has not yet started.

Convention

Peru and the Netherlands have now called a WOTS treaty, law enforcement gear criminal sentences. One convicted while normally have to ask the authorities of the country where he is condemned to be transferred to his homeland. A prisoner must normally first have a "substantial part" of his sentence in Peru prison.

Already in 2008 the Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced that a treaty with Peru was coming, but then encountered further problems in the South American country. The Cabinet has now agreed to the bill and this is now advice to the Council of State.

In Peru, 117 Dutch are down, most of them for a drug offense, according to the latest figures from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Conditions in many South American prisons, according to the ministry often very difficult, dangerous and unhealthy.

That there is such a treaty, there can you say something. Someone who wants to earn quick money by smuggling drugs abroad and then get caught, would in my view are a punishment from quiet to sit. But someone like Joran van der Sloot, at least one young lady has been murdered, and a second appearance against him so that you might think he has helped her lived and died in changing, from me there until its end rot in a cell.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: windy city on April 07, 2011, 08:59:17 PM
Hi Monkeys!

I'm reading the articles about Joranstein serving out his sentance in Holland.  If I'm not mistaken  his lawyer Maximo is the one stating this as an option. The treaty between Peru and Holland was introduced well before the sporter killed a Peruvian daughter.  I think this was just a good opportunity for a big mouthed lawyer to spout about news that might benefit Dutch prisoners(drug mules).

Joranstein aint goin nowhere but hell, imo.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
It would be interesting to know the names of Dutch prisoners in Peruvian lockups without financial means ... without influencial connections ... who have been afforded the opportunity to serve a portion of their sentences in the Netherlands.

Janet


It is my understanding that the WOTs agreement had been in the Peru legislature for awhile.  It was just recently approved.  I don't think any Dutch have had the opportunity to use it.


I wonder if it makes a difference if the Dutch prisoner being held has been charged and found guilty of murder versus a Dutch prisoner that's been charged and found guilty of drug trafficking?  Not that I condone drug trafficking, but that's a lot less serious than a murder charge.  Why would/should a murderer be allowed to finish a sentence in the Netherlands when not only have they murdered a Peruvian citizen, but also murdered them in Peru?  Why not start with prisoners that have been charged and found guilty of something like drug trafficking?  Let them serve the majority of their sentence in Peru, and then let them finish it in the Netherlands, starting with perhaps those that have been charged with the least crime and/or been incarcerated longest and have exhibited good behavior, maybe? JMHO



I don't know much about the final agreement.  There was a BIG to-do with Thailand because there was disagreement about the agreement.  A Wots agreement can either be stated as a "continued enforcement" or a "transfer".  The Dutch like the transfer idea because then the case can be heard by a Dutch judge (on Dutch standards) and most prisoners are released.  Thailand wanted continued enforcement.  I have no idea the specifics of Peru.  ::MonkeyConfused::  The place that Anita listed for Peru prisoners was the agency backing the treaty.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The part I made bold above is what their goal is I'm sure.  But hopefully since Joran has charges pending in the U. S. just maybe that will throw a wrench in their plan IF it ever comes to that.  I can't see the "crime of passion" defense working so I think Joran is going to have a long sentence to serve in Peru.  And once he's sentenced hopefully they won't be quite as concerned with keeping him "safe" like they are now...before the trial.  Hopefully he'll be a dead man walking whether he realizes it or not.  If he should live to get transferred anywhere, it should be to the U. S. to face the charges here, not to the Netherlands to be released!

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 10:34:24 PM
If Joran is transferred to the Netherlands/Aruba by Peru to serve a portion of his sentence in regards to the Stephany Flores case ... upon his release can he be extradited to the States to face the extortion charges?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2011, 10:50:12 PM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 07, 2011, 11:29:18 PM
I Never Ask Him Why

LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway


Pages 100: He entrusted me with her care for eighteen years.  Now I must trust Him to care for her.  So I never ask Him why.  Why Natalee?  Why me?  I don't ask.  To do that undermines faith.  Instead, I form an "acceptance trust" with Him there on the windy hillside.  God never questioned me when she was in my care.  I must not question Him.  I realize that He is as proud of her as I am.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 07, 2011, 11:31:49 PM
Where as I fully EXPECT that the judge will throw the case out on Monday ............................... I also have been disappointed so many times that I am numb. I am taking the attitude that IF the judge sends the case to trial, it's a GREAT thing! We will FINALLY get these nimrods on the stand --- and that is only a great thing in this case!
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 07, 2011, 11:34:27 PM
alas...................... no edit button. Sorry!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2011, 11:46:33 PM
I tried to fix  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 08, 2011, 12:09:00 AM
I tried to fix  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyCool:: Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 12:19:23 PM
It was brought to my attention this morning that it was a December, 2005 exibit that Phil McGraw submitted to the court in October, 2010.  The defamation lawsuit of December, 2006 had yet to be filed.  I wish that a more current comparative backup from another laboratory ... preferably the FBI laboratory ... had also been afforded for the court's consideration.  Hey ... maybe it has.  I am getting anxious.  It is only three more sleeps until the court's decision regarding the Summary Judgement.

Janet

++++++

Forensic Investigation - Phil McGraw Recording   

klaasend
Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #856 2/14/11 -
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2011, 04:22:25 AM


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215.0



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 01:25:27 PM
Here's a little more of what Kermit posted.  Page 305 of 446  ::MonkeyDevil::  I've redacted the witnesses name:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5301/5587752896_980535352b_b.jpg)

Klaas

Who is this witness?  Is she/he the person who edited the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording?

Thanks

Janet

Klaas

Could this witness be Julia Ross?

Is there a posted transcript/document of the entire deposition?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 01:36:57 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 08, 2011, 01:51:35 PM
If Joran is transferred to the Netherlands/Aruba by Peru to serve a portion of his sentence in regards to the Stephany Flores case ... upon his release can he be extradited to the States to face the extortion charges?

Janet

Here's some information about extradition between the US and Netherlands/Aruba:

"Extradition Treaty for Aruba
The United States–Netherlands extradition treaty of 1980 extends to the Government of Aruba, and provides for the extradition of nationals."
http://www.expatintelligence.com/extradition-treaty-aruba.shtml

The extradition would be subject to the Articles of the Treaty.  In the Schedule of Offenses, #10, #12, and #16, might be the applicable offenses to Joran.

10.Fraud, including obtaining property, money or valuable securities by false pretenses, deceit, falsehood, or other fraudulent means.
12.Extortion.
16.An offense against the laws relating to international transfers of funds.

http://www.expatintelligence.com/extradition-treaty-netherlands.shtml






Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
If Joran is transferred to the Netherlands/Aruba by Peru to serve a portion of his sentence in regards to the Stephany Flores case ... upon his release can he be extradited to the States to face the extortion charges?

Janet

Here's some information about extradition between the US and Netherlands/Aruba:

"Extradition Treaty for Aruba
The United States–Netherlands extradition treaty of 1980 extends to the Government of Aruba, and provides for the extradition of nationals."
http://www.expatintelligence.com/extradition-treaty-aruba.shtml

The extradition would be subject to the Articles of the Treaty.  In the Schedule of Offenses, #10, #12, and #16, might be the applicable offenses to Joran.

10.Fraud, including obtaining property, money or valuable securities by false pretenses, deceit, falsehood, or other fraudulent means.
12.Extortion.
16.An offense against the laws relating to international transfers of funds.

http://www.expatintelligence.com/extradition-treaty-netherlands.shtml



Thanks Grace

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 08, 2011, 02:29:34 PM
If Joran is transferred to the Netherlands/Aruba by Peru to serve a portion of his sentence in regards to the Stephany Flores case ... upon his release can he be extradited to the States to face the extortion charges?

Janet

Here's some information about extradition between the US and Netherlands/Aruba:

"Extradition Treaty for Aruba
The United States–Netherlands extradition treaty of 1980 extends to the Government of Aruba, and provides for the extradition of nationals."
http://www.expatintelligence.com/extradition-treaty-aruba.shtml

The extradition would be subject to the Articles of the Treaty.  In the Schedule of Offenses, #10, #12, and #16, might be the applicable offenses to Joran.

10.Fraud, including obtaining property, money or valuable securities by false pretenses, deceit, falsehood, or other fraudulent means.
12.Extortion.
16.An offense against the laws relating to international transfers of funds.

http://www.expatintelligence.com/extradition-treaty-netherlands.shtml



Thanks Grace

Janet

You're welcome, Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2011, 04:03:23 PM
Here's a little more of what Kermit posted.  Page 305 of 446  ::MonkeyDevil::  I've redacted the witnesses name:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5301/5587752896_980535352b_b.jpg)

Klaas

Who is this witness?  Is she/he the person who edited the disputed segment of the Phil McGraw recording?

Thanks

Janet

Klaas

Could this witness be Julia Ross?

Is there a posted transcript/document of the entire deposition?

Thanks

Janet


You know, I didn't want to say the name, I redacted it but that is a good guess  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 05:22:49 PM
Thanks Klaas.

I am just attempting to connect some dots.

The deposition transcript is contradictory.  It implies that the witness was the individual who did the editing of the Phil McGraw recording.  On the other hand ... the transcript also implies that the witness has no knowledge of those who were involved in the editing process.  Has this info not been revealed in an exhibit.

BEK TEK Laboratories?  Three months following the September 15, 2005 show ... BEK TEK Laboratories was afforded by Julie Ross for analysis a copy of the Dr. Phil recording as well as the CD-R of the interview copied from Skeeters' hard drive.

Janet

++++++++

Forensic Investigation - Jamie Skeeters' Hard Drive

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9215


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
There are two reasons that I have had my feet planted firmly on both sides of the fence in regards to the issue encompassing the maniulation or editing of the Phil McGraw recording.

In a nutshell ....

1.  I cannot comprehend why the financial backers of the multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit would venture on this journey without confirmation that the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated.  Logic would dictate that the backers were aware that the truth could easily be exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

 2.  I cannot comprehend why Phil McGraw would manipulate the recorded Deepak interview for underlying motives knowing that this recording would be regarded as Natalee Holloway case evidence and therefore would be scrutinized by Aruba/Holland ... scrutinized by the FBI.  Logic would dictates that McGraw was aware that the truth could be easily exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2011, 07:47:46 PM
Looks like the Merryweather's have both been released!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The public ministry has appealed the release and it will be heard by the three judge panel.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30001-tata-y-yui-merryweather-liber-diabierna-atardi.html

Papiamentu translation:

father y yui merryweather pound diabierna nightfall

friday, 08 april 2011 19:14

mr chris lejuez is advocate of the family merryweather cu owing to stay deteni some day happen after of one investigacion at they propiedadnan. the investigacion have of haber cu fraude of tax but in the accion owing to achieve more cu one arm of candela cu they not have permission pe. pesey owing to detene the father y the child merryweather. after cu fiscal owing to prolonga they detencion, diabierna huez comisario owing to let both in freedom. this owing to cay in very bad ground close ministerio publico cu owing to apela at once. although they owing to achieve freedom, if hof draai the decision of huez comisario nifica cu ministerio publico will let detene both at once bek.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 08, 2011, 07:56:21 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/29969-tata-y-yui-di-famia-merryweather-laga-den-libertad.html

Papiamentu translation:

father y yui of family merryweather let in freedom

friday, 08 april 2011 12:24

diabierna father y yui of family merryweather have to owing to present fast huez comisario for see if they detencion will wordo prolonga once more same cu was the caso week happen diabierna. today diabierna huez comisario is dicidi of not prolonga the detencion of family merryweather.

 ::snipping2::

comments:
 ::snipping2::


scirbi for happy people paradise, april 08, 2011
offfffffff courseeeee +5 come across...
 ::snipping2::

scirbi for bisaberdad, april 08, 2011
in my opinion, this is ley of clase!. let if is buchi or juanito they owing to hanja cu arm, is till after of one anja will do you look at they leave of kia. ley for one ley for all. not come contami storia cu is arm of museum or collecciona, arm is stay arm!!! +4 come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 08, 2011, 09:48:26 PM
There are two reasons that I have had my feet planted firmly on both sides of the fence in regards to the issue encompassing the maniulation or editing of the Phil McGraw recording.

In a nutshell ....

1.  I cannot comprehend why the financial backers of the multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit would venture on this journey without confirmation that the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated.  Logic would dictate that the backers were aware that the truth could easily be exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

 2.  I cannot comprehend why Phil McGraw would manipulate the recorded Deepak interview for underlying motives knowing that this recording would be regarded as Natalee Holloway case evidence and therefore would be scrutinized by Aruba/Holland ... scrutinized by the FBI.  Logic would dictates that McGraw was aware that the truth could be easily exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Janet



They're fools.

For #1--They thought that Dr. Phil would settle quickly and be done with it.
For #2--Editting of recordings for radio and tv is common practice to fit the program schedule.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 10:10:47 PM
There are two reasons that I have had my feet planted firmly on both sides of the fence in regards to the issue encompassing the maniulation or editing of the Phil McGraw recording.

In a nutshell ....

1.  I cannot comprehend why the financial backers of the multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit would venture on this journey without confirmation that the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated.  Logic would dictate that the backers were aware that the truth could easily be exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

 2.  I cannot comprehend why Phil McGraw would manipulate the recorded Deepak interview for underlying motives knowing that this recording would be regarded as Natalee Holloway case evidence and therefore would be scrutinized by Aruba/Holland ... scrutinized by the FBI.  Logic would dictates that McGraw was aware that the truth could be easily exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Janet



They're fools.

For #1--They thought that Dr. Phil would settle quickly and be done with it.
For #2--Editting of recordings for radio and tv is common practice to fit the program schedule.

JMO

Grace ... your response is appreciated.

1.  Why would Phil McGraw settle when the truth could be revealed by accessing Jamie Skeeters hard drive?  A settlement would be an appearance that there had been wrongdoing.

2.  If the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated it goes beyond entertainment.  I would consider a cruel hoax perpetrated against the parents of Natalee Holloway who were convinced in September,2005 that credible evidence had been obtained which could be the catalyst that would pave the road to justice for their precious daughter.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 08, 2011, 10:40:58 PM
Beth Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.” And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited. It was edited for television. You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours. And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her. And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

RITA COSBY, HOST: So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, not that I could see, Rita. But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Dave Holloway

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Nov. 30th
updated 9:10 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec. 1, 2005


<snipped>

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER: I listened to all of it this afternoon.

RITA COSBY, HOST:  Was anything doctored, anything manipulated? What I mean is, anything taken out of context?

HOLLOWAY: No, I don‘t believe so. I think what Dr. Phil‘s show did
was edited the tape. From what I can understand, you know, this tape has -
the air-conditioner came on about the time Deepak walked in the room, so you‘ve got a lot of snow in there. But essentially, from what I understand, he said—there was kind of a stutter after Jamie asked the question, and that stuttering part I believe was taken out of the tape. And then he said, No, we did. You‘d be surprised how easy it was that night.

COSBY: Do you believe, based on everything you‘ve heard...

HOLLOWAY: I think what the Aruban...

COSBY: Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, yes. Absolutely. You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive. I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense. If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 08, 2011, 11:17:29 PM
There are two reasons that I have had my feet planted firmly on both sides of the fence in regards to the issue encompassing the maniulation or editing of the Phil McGraw recording.

In a nutshell ....

1.  I cannot comprehend why the financial backers of the multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit would venture on this journey without confirmation that the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated.  Logic would dictate that the backers were aware that the truth could easily be exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

 2.  I cannot comprehend why Phil McGraw would manipulate the recorded Deepak interview for underlying motives knowing that this recording would be regarded as Natalee Holloway case evidence and therefore would be scrutinized by Aruba/Holland ... scrutinized by the FBI.  Logic would dictates that McGraw was aware that the truth could be easily exposed ... the truth that lay hidden within Jamie Skeeters' hard drive.

Janet



They're fools.

For #1--They thought that Dr. Phil would settle quickly and be done with it.
For #2--Editting of recordings for radio and tv is common practice to fit the program schedule.

JMO

Grace ... your response is appreciated.

1.  Why would Phil McGraw settle when the truth could be revealed by accessing Jamie Skeeters hard drive?  A settlement would be an appearance that there had been wrongdoing.

2.  If the Phil McGraw recording was manipulated it goes beyond entertainment.  I would consider a cruel hoax perpetrated against the parents of Natalee Holloway who were convinced in September,2005 that credible evidence had been obtained which could be the catalyst that would pave the road to justice for their precious daughter.

IMO

Janet

Janet, hon.

#1  Dr. Phil did not settle and won't settle, because truth is on his side.
#2  The recording was not "manipulated."  That's the term that the Plaintiff is using to spin the case that there was wrong doing.  The recording was editted--a common practice for programs.

JMO

Let's wait for the Summary Judgment decision...and if we have to, let the trial begin!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2011, 12:16:19 AM

Janet, hon.

#1  Dr. Phil did not settle and won't settle, because truth is on his side.
#2  The recording was not "manipulated."  That's the term that the Plaintiff is using to spin the case that there was wrong doing.  The recording was editted--a common practice for programs.

JMO

Let's wait for the Summary Judgment decision...and if we have to, let the trial begin!

Grace

If Phil McGraw has the truth on his side ... on Monday the court will dismiss the defamation lawsuit and ... the world will know for sure ... no doubt ... that Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... that still leaves my questions unanswered.  If the truth has been on Phil McGraw's side  ... why was this multi-million dollar lawsuit filed?  How was it suppose to benefit the financial backers?  How was suppose to benefit Aruba?  Why would the financial backers think for one minute that Phil McGraw would settle?

I am off.  Good Night Grace.

Janet
9:15 PM PT

++++++++


December, 2006

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg


<snipped>
 
The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 09, 2011, 12:37:23 AM

Janet, hon.

#1  Dr. Phil did not settle and won't settle, because truth is on his side.
#2  The recording was not "manipulated."  That's the term that the Plaintiff is using to spin the case that there was wrong doing.  The recording was editted--a common practice for programs.

JMO

Let's wait for the Summary Judgment decision...and if we have to, let the trial begin!

Grace

If Phil McGraw has the truth on his side ... on Monday the court will dismiss the defamation lawsuit and ... the world will know for sure ... no doubt ... that Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... that still leaves my questions unanswered.  If the truth has been on Phil McGraw's side  ... why was this multi-million dollar lawsuit filed?  How was it suppose to benefit the financial backers?  How was suppose to benefit Aruba?  Why would the financial backers think for one minute that Phil McGraw would settle?

I am off.  Good Night Grace.

Janet
9:15 PM PT

++++++++


December, 2006

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg


<snipped>
 
The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

My guess is that the "backers" of the Kalpoes are not spending their OWN money -- they are spending Aruba's tourism dollars. 5 years ago -- they thought it was worth the effort. Now they have so much invested, they can't walk away. You watch, when this all over and Dr. Phil prevails (either Monday or at trial) -- Aruba will be castigating both the Kalpoes AND Joran!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 09, 2011, 12:48:54 AM
One more thing............................... the judge will NOT be basing the decision Monday of the veracity of the actual Skeeters tape. That will only be determined at an actual trial (if it comes to that). The summary judgement decision is based only on the "merits" of the Kalpoes having a just cause to bring a suit. i.e. -- whether or not they are even eligible to be considered "defamed". Primarily whether or not they are "public figures".

We've tried to explain that the judge has not even listened to the actual recording yet. That is not his/her concern right now -- in fact, the judge CAN'T listen to the tape yet. The judge in these past 5 years has only dealt with "proceedural" matters so far.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 09, 2011, 12:54:04 AM
You also have to understand the amount of offshore money those banks have in them has got to be nice as well. You couple the banks on Arubass, the corrupted tourism miscreants, and then couple that with the attorneys that are blood sucking vampire squid, and there is the making for a frivolous lawsuit. They happen everyday in America because frivolous lawsuits are an industry just by themselves. The Leprechaun squad was banking that Dr. Phil would settle as a majority of the time that is what occurs. It seems that the attorney's, if you'd  call them that, rolled the dice and crapped out!  ::monkeywine2:: Tell em not to go to Vegas cause Allen and the crew are waiting. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 09, 2011, 12:57:46 AM
Keepthefaith, pinetucky, wreck and 5 Guests

 ::HelloKitty::

Any thoughts pinetucky? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 09, 2011, 12:58:41 AM
Keepthefaith, pinetucky, wreck and 5 Guests

 ::HelloKitty::

Any thoughts pinetucky? ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Already gone... ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2011, 01:19:30 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 09, 2011, 02:05:22 AM

Janet, hon.

#1  Dr. Phil did not settle and won't settle, because truth is on his side.
#2  The recording was not "manipulated."  That's the term that the Plaintiff is using to spin the case that there was wrong doing.  The recording was editted--a common practice for programs.

JMO

Let's wait for the Summary Judgment decision...and if we have to, let the trial begin!

Grace

If Phil McGraw has the truth on his side ... on Monday the court will dismiss the defamation lawsuit and ... the world will know for sure ... no doubt ... that Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... that still leaves my questions unanswered.  If the truth has been on Phil McGraw's side  ... why was this multi-million dollar lawsuit filed?  How was it suppose to benefit the financial backers?  How was suppose to benefit Aruba?  Why would the financial backers think for one minute that Phil McGraw would settle?

I am off.  Good Night Grace.

Janet
9:15 PM PT

++++++++


December, 2006

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg


<snipped>
 
The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

My guess is that the "backers" of the Kalpoes are not spending their OWN money -- they are spending Aruba's tourism dollars. 5 years ago -- they thought it was worth the effort. Now they have so much invested, they can't walk away. You watch, when this all over and Dr. Phil prevails (either Monday or at trial) -- Aruba will be castigating both the Kalpoes AND Joran!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Castrating the Kalpoes?   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 09, 2011, 09:26:57 AM

Janet, hon.

#1  Dr. Phil did not settle and won't settle, because truth is on his side.
#2  The recording was not "manipulated."  That's the term that the Plaintiff is using to spin the case that there was wrong doing.  The recording was editted--a common practice for programs.

JMO

Let's wait for the Summary Judgment decision...and if we have to, let the trial begin!

Grace

If Phil McGraw has the truth on his side ... on Monday the court will dismiss the defamation lawsuit and ... the world will know for sure ... no doubt ... that Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... that still leaves my questions unanswered.  If the truth has been on Phil McGraw's side  ... why was this multi-million dollar lawsuit filed?  How was it suppose to benefit the financial backers?  How was suppose to benefit Aruba?  Why would the financial backers think for one minute that Phil McGraw would settle?

I am off.  Good Night Grace.

Janet
9:15 PM PT

++++++++


December, 2006

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg


<snipped>
 
The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

My guess is that the "backers" of the Kalpoes are not spending their OWN money -- they are spending Aruba's tourism dollars. 5 years ago -- they thought it was worth the effort. Now they have so much invested, they can't walk away. You watch, when this all over and Dr. Phil prevails (either Monday or at trial) -- Aruba will be castigating both the Kalpoes AND Joran!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Castrating the Kalpoes?   ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyDance::
Yeah!! I misspelled "castrating".......Thanks!!  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2011, 10:02:24 AM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6861&offId=0

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6861/2_1302354002.jpg)

the illness was turistanan conoco amaya, if we take care gobierno wanted dom of tourism, the Have to act is now cu cu leynan enter force until it is at once close chollernan.

Can not is so cu miyones of coin is drowning at bay we promocion of tourism, then the hour cu aruba they're Being turistanan eat illness is chollernan Besides ass is car break They steal They pertenencianan y form is ugly view. gobierno y what is or is parlamentarionan keep impone for guardianship of the ley cual place is all Cholla, or hendenan march dirt ugly ass is on view is caya y molestia turistanan in areanan turistico. act now eats ass eats across leynan


Guess they are having some problems with their chollers
  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 09, 2011, 10:29:46 AM

Janet, hon.

#1  Dr. Phil did not settle and won't settle, because truth is on his side.
#2  The recording was not "manipulated."  That's the term that the Plaintiff is using to spin the case that there was wrong doing.  The recording was editted--a common practice for programs.

JMO

Let's wait for the Summary Judgment decision...and if we have to, let the trial begin!

Grace

If Phil McGraw has the truth on his side ... on Monday the court will dismiss the defamation lawsuit and ... the world will know for sure ... no doubt ... that Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... that still leaves my questions unanswered.  If the truth has been on Phil McGraw's side  ... why was this multi-million dollar lawsuit filed?  How was it suppose to benefit the financial backers?  How was suppose to benefit Aruba?  Why would the financial backers think for one minute that Phil McGraw would settle?

I am off.  Good Night Grace.

Janet
9:15 PM PT

++++++++


December, 2006

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg


<snipped>
 
The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

My guess is that the "backers" of the Kalpoes are not spending their OWN money -- they are spending Aruba's tourism dollars. 5 years ago -- they thought it was worth the effort. Now they have so much invested, they can't walk away. You watch, when this all over and Dr. Phil prevails (either Monday or at trial) -- Aruba will be castigating both the Kalpoes AND Joran!!!!
 ::MonkeyCool::

 ::rhino::

However ... I believe the fate of Joran, Deepak and Satish is a given no matter what the outcome of the defamation lawsuit.  Aruba/Holland realizes that these guys can be bought and ...

Janet

+++++

When Sombody Talks

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


<snipped>

ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: ... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2011, 11:05:20 AM
This is just a few of the over 300 comments to one of the articles about Joran possible being transferred to the Netherlands to serve part of his sentence should he be convicted in Peru.  Interesting reading...imo.

http://www.nujij.nl/joran-mogelijk-in-nederlandse-cel.11893087.lynkx

Google translation:

Joran possible Dutch cell
www.nu.nl

In Peru of murder suspect Joran van der Sloot can be convicted if he is possibly part of his sentence in the Netherlands serve.

 ::snipping2::

208  2 days ago by doedamaarnie
Quote
Joran deserves his own private hell, two families are forever lost a daughter and then I have not even talked about the mess and the women in other countries.
From me he can rot in a cell in Peru, and I hope for 30 years or longer!

210  2 days ago by Vatorro
Quote
Joran talk first .... Parents rest, and then we think about it!

212  2 days ago by noujaa
Quote
Who is the initiator of this kind of nonsense to make arrangements for convicted criminals to the Netherlands. Would he still be "friends" in the Netherlands have?

217  2 days ago by Melina
Quote
Ehhh, the Cabinet has yet emerged from a popularly elected government?
Therefore a reflection of society?
How is it that in this thread over 90% indicates that monstrosity in Peru must remain, but the Cabinet decided otherwise?

220  2 days ago by great light lamb
Quote
Lol when he is transferred to the Netherlands he is so free again. By a pacifist prison warden, proefverlofje, or arrangement that nobody understands, but seems to be normal. Or simply by spending cuts, because we pay attention to the Dutch cents. Which girl is then to turn?

221 2 days ago by Melina
Quote
CALL TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE

PLEASE DO NOT accept this idiotic proposal!

223  2 days ago by tree
Quote
There is no good reason to get this beast here. NO

224  2 days ago by 420spacecake
Quote
...

WOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!

The Dutch government does TENS of Dutch nationals in overseas prisons (or what we should continue) under the worst conditions dying because they have smuggled some drugs ....

But the driver DOUBLE KILLER ...
With his own room in Peru ....

That can quickly warm to a cell with Dutch TV and heating ...

Can I have a bucket please!



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2011, 12:58:42 PM
Looks like the Merryweather's have both been released!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The public ministry has appealed the release and it will be heard by the three judge panel.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30001-tata-y-yui-merryweather-liber-diabierna-atardi.html

Papiamentu translation:

father y yui merryweather pound diabierna nightfall

friday, 08 april 2011 19:14

mr chris lejuez is advocate of the family merryweather cu owing to stay deteni some day happen after of one investigacion at they propiedadnan. the investigacion have of haber cu fraude of tax but in the accion owing to achieve more cu one arm of candela cu they not have permission pe. pesey owing to detene the father y the child merryweather. after cu fiscal owing to prolonga they detencion, diabierna huez comisario owing to let both in freedom. this owing to cay in very bad ground close ministerio publico cu owing to apela at once. although they owing to achieve freedom, if hof draai the decision of huez comisario nifica cu ministerio publico will let detene both at once bek.
 ::snipping2::


http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-9-april/202113899821597

 ::snipping2::


Merry Weather's at large
Merry Weather father and son were yesterday ordered by the magistrate released. The Public Prosecutor (OM) is here "completely disagree" and "of course went on appeal" against this decision. Presumably, the appeal next week or next week, as late as the spokesperson for the Public to know this newspaper.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2011, 01:04:30 PM
http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-9-april/202113899821597

Google translation:

No release Mathew partly due to collusion threat

Bram Moszkowicz lawyer's request for his client Alex Mathew release during the pre-trial over a week ago, was dismissed by the court. Mainly because of the collusion threat (which the defendant's release from prison to any other parties can talk, red) and shocked the legal order.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 09, 2011, 09:30:09 PM
Looks like the Merryweather's have both been released!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The public ministry has appealed the release and it will be heard by the three judge panel.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30001-tata-y-yui-merryweather-liber-diabierna-atardi.html

Papiamentu translation:

father y yui merryweather pound diabierna nightfall

friday, 08 april 2011 19:14

mr chris lejuez is advocate of the family merryweather cu owing to stay deteni some day happen after of one investigacion at they propiedadnan. the investigacion have of haber cu fraude of tax but in the accion owing to achieve more cu one arm of candela cu they not have permission pe. pesey owing to detene the father y the child merryweather. after cu fiscal owing to prolonga they detencion, diabierna huez comisario owing to let both in freedom. this owing to cay in very bad ground close ministerio publico cu owing to apela at once. although they owing to achieve freedom, if hof draai the decision of huez comisario nifica cu ministerio publico will let detene both at once bek.
 ::snipping2::


http://www.facebook.com/notes/amigoe-aruba/nieuwsselectie-amigoe-editie-9-april/202113899821597

 ::snipping2::


Merry Weather's at large
Merry Weather father and son were yesterday ordered by the magistrate released. The Public Prosecutor (OM) is here "completely disagree" and "of course went on appeal" against this decision. Presumably, the appeal next week or next week, as late as the spokesperson for the Public to know this newspaper.

More about this from today's Amigoe

http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/09-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Merryweathers at large
 ::snipping2::
The motif of the bankruptcy judge to remand not to renew was according to the public as follows: "It is assumed that the unconditional punishment the pair will be imposed will not be longer than the punishment they have already been have spent on remand. The pair "since 30 down in March for illegal possession of weapons.

The OM is totally not happy, calling it a "very evil signal to society. " "Moreover, the officer found that The investigation into the illegal weapons was ongoing, "says spokesman Angela Ann. The weapons found during inspections at homes and business premises of the two, associated with a large international study of tax evasion and money laundering.

For illegal possession OM requires the usual a penalty of one year unconditional.

Moreover, the policy of Prosecutor suspects illegal possession down to hold until their case occurs.

This strict policy is to justice illegal firearm gun ownership as much be reduced. Angela said the father was arrested for possession of a firearm and son for possession of three firearms. Contrary to what the lawyer of the suspects previously suggested, says that Angela these three arms of son Merry Weather not a 'collector's items "are.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2011, 10:27:24 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30036-instructor-mericano-ta-yama-miembronan-nobo-di-unididad-motorisa-di-aruba-bonbini-na-e-elite.html

Instructor Mericano ta yama miembronan nobo di Unididad Motorisa di Aruba bonbini na e “elite”

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr09.dowers_polis.dowers_polis003.JPG)
 ::snipping2::

Mericano “Ride Like A Pro NJ” a bisanan cu orguyo. Su expresion “Boso a sobrevivi e siman aki” sigur ta indica con duro e agentenan mester a traha pa completa e curso di un siman.   Ela indica cu e agentenan cu a ricibi nan certificado a completa un training hopi intensivo, segun normanan estricto estableci na Merca cu tur “motor officer” mester cumpli cun’e. E normanan aki ta “permiti pa solamente e elite bira motor officer,” ela enfatisa.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.ridelikeapronj.com/testimonials.html

 ::snipping2::

"Hi Bill and Allan, On behalf of Sarah, Robert and myself I would like to express our gratitude for the tremendous training session we received from you while you were at Big Twin Harley Davidson of Aruba. It was an honor to have "Real PRO's" here in Aruba teach us some new and professional tricks to ride. I hope that we will meet again soon."
Best regards,
René Zaandam
Santa Cruz Aruba

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2011, 01:40:50 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hjjjk556-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 10, 2011, 03:26:44 AM
Please light a candle and say a prayer for Natalee and her family. 
 
::MonkeyAngel::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2011, 11:07:56 AM
Please light a candle and say a prayer for Natalee and her family. 
 
::MonkeyAngel::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on April 10, 2011, 12:33:04 PM
Joran will never live through a "substantial portion" of his sentence in Peru.

I am so sick of Joran pulling rabbits out of his hat! ::MonkeyMad::
Most turn out to be only a mirage, but I am still sick of him.

I second that Mags.  I am ready for this scumbag to be gone FOREVER. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2011, 09:50:43 PM
Looks like DJ Whiteboy (Rayen Geerman) teamed up with DJ Diablo again!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.msg1300562#msg1300562


http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=313

Dj Diablo @ Confession 2april'11

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/dj_diablo__confession_2april11_313/djdiabloconfession_20110404_1301837006.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/dj_diablo__confession_2april11_313/djdiabloconfession_20110404_1958533302.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2011, 10:05:24 PM
http://www.vibesconnect.com/Whiteboy79

rayen's Profile
vibesconnect.com/Whiteboy79        Viewed 1190 times
Gender :   Male
Age :   30
About me :   So if you tink you can handle this white boy gome an try me baby an e friend to chat to.I a cool guy like to smile so if you need sombody like that chek me out baby an i will travel to meet sombody nice an can give me what i need T.L.C. BYE........
Current Location :   Aruba
From :   San Nicolas, Aruba
Nickname :   Whiteboy79
First name :   rayen
Last name :   geerman
Zip / Postal code :   n?a
Country :   Aruba
Birthday :   Monday, July 28 1980
 ::snipping2::
Education :   No answer
 ::snipping2::
Employment status :   No answer
 ::snipping2::
Languages :   English.
 ::snipping2::
Clubs Organizations/High School or College :   no
Drinking :   Socially
Smoking :   Often
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 10, 2011, 10:23:22 PM
Looks like DJ Whiteboy (Rayen Geerman) teamed up with DJ Diablo again!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyRoll::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9031.msg1300562#msg1300562


http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=viewcategory&catid=313

Dj Diablo @ Confession 2april'11

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/dj_diablo__confession_2april11_313/djdiabloconfession_20110404_1301837006.jpg)

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/dj_diablo__confession_2april11_313/djdiabloconfession_20110404_1958533302.jpg)


Looks Like DJ Diablo...aka Steve Croes...has inherited one of Joran's old shirts.  ::MonkeyTongue::
But I think he has a nervous barber.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2011, 11:37:44 PM
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 11, 2011, 12:51:28 AM

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Emoticons/Image46.gif)  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Emoticons/Image46.gif)  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Emoticons/Image46.gif)  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Emoticons/Image46.gif)  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Emoticons/Image46.gif)  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Monkey%20Emoticons/Image46.gif)

 ::pullinghairout::

How did I do?



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2011, 02:47:18 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2011, 02:50:39 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 11:13:24 AM
Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

Todays the day!

It is my sincere hope that today's court ruling implies that the Kalopes lose the defamation lawsuit and ... their financial backers also lose big time in regards to all the associated costs.

Janet

+++++

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 11:32:39 AM
I'm going to be gone a lot today.  When I get home this afternoon I'll check the court website but I don't expect anything there today. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 11:36:38 AM
I'm going to be gone a lot today.  When I get home this afternoon I'll check the court website but I don't expect anything there today. 

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 02:25:37 PM
THIS ROLLER COASTER RIDE

It's Devastating!

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006


If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null[/b]


Dismissed!

Press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Source: NBC 13 Staff


<snipped>

By notifying the three suspects that they will not be charged with the crimes that were under investigation by the judge of instruction or for which they have been kept in custody or, two years ago, in pre-trial detention, these crimes now have been dismissed.

<snipped>

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007_12_16_archive.html


He Told Her Face to Face

Aruba ends probe into Holloway disappearance
12/18/2007


<snipped>

Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was "terribly disappointed" that the case was closed and has been on an emotional roller coaster in recent weeks, said Sunny Tillman of Birmingham, Ala., a spokeswoman for her.

"She was very hopeful the last couple weeks, and she went down there and met with the prosecutor," Tillman said. "He told her face to face that he had new and incriminating evidence and that made her hopeful."

"So now, in light of this today, it's just so perplexing," she said.

<snipped>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22312287/ns/world_news-americas


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 02:27:23 PM
Klaas/Mods

Please delete post 669.  I messed up with the highlighting.  I apologize.

Janet

Done.  MB


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
Klaas

What was the outcome of Kay Skeeters' motion for her attorneys fees to be paid by the Kalpoes?

Thanks

Janet

++++

klaasen
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2009, 04:40:09 PM »


Today could be an interresting day in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case: 

Future Hearings
08/13/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - ATTORNEY FEES

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 04:10:19 PM
Klaas

What was the outcome of Kay Skeeters' motion for her attorneys fees to be paid by the Kalpoes?

Thanks

Janet

++++

klaasen
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2009, 04:40:09 PM »


Today could be an interresting day in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case: 

Future Hearings
08/13/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - ATTORNEY FEES

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.0


Found it!

Klaas ... the documents you posted related to Kay Skeeters agreement to drop her request for attorney fees went "poof".  Is it possible to retrieve and post them again?

Thank you.

I cannot comprehend why Kay Skeeters would make this agreement.  The legal fees were $127,000.

Janet

+++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
« Reply #362 on: September 12, 2009, 05:45:15 PM »


The Kalpoes agree to drop claims against the Skeeters Estate and Kay Skeeters agrees to drop the request for attorney fees?

(posted documents missing)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.msg940947;topicseen#msg940947


Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case
Posted May 9, 2009 by Scared Monkeys


<snipped>

The Kalpoe’s lose a motion against the Estate of Jamie Skeeters. A motion to strike has been granted by the courts in the matter of the Estate of Jamie Skeeters v. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in the defamation lawsuit.

There is no competent evidence offered as to Defendant Skeeter’s liability for the emotional distress or fraud claims either. As such, the motion is properly granted in favor of Defendant Skeeter given Plaintiffs’ failure to offer sufficient competent evidence on essential elements of all causes of action in the FAC to show a possibility of success on the merits of their claims as against Defendant Skeeters. (pg14)

<snipped

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 06:38:22 PM
Lifetime Original Movie "Justice for Natalee Holloway" to Premiere May 9, Followed by Sneak Peek of True-Life Series "Vanished with Beth Holloway"
By Bill Gorman– April 11, 2011


Vanished with Beth Holloway to Begin Airing in its Regularly Scheduled Time Period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 PM ET/PT.

LOS ANGELES (April 11, 2011) – Lifetime Television’s Original Movie, Justice for Natalee Holloway, a follow-up to the Lifetime Movie Network original Natalee Holloway, will premiere on Monday, May 9, at 9 pm ET/PT.

Immediately following Justice for Natalee Holloway at 11 pm ET/PT, Lifetime will debut a sneak peek of the true-life series, Vanished with Beth Holloway. The one-hour docu-reality program explores first-hand real-life mysteries of families who have been victimized by unsolved abductions, disappearances and unspeakable crimes, with Holloway offering a uniquely empathetic point of view to the loved ones that have been left behind. Lifetime has ordered 10 episodes of Vanished with Beth Holloway, which will begin airing in its regularly scheduled time period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 pm ET/PT.

ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

As a follow up to the original movie Natalee Holloway, the Lifetime Original Movie Justice for Natalee Holloway closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who in 2005 mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot (Stephen Amell, The Vampire Diaries), one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee’s fate, yet denying any responsibility for what happened to her. Tracy Pollan (Natalee Holloway, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) reprises her role as Beth Holloway.

Growing more arrogant about his professed innocence and finding himself increasingly in debt as his life and gambling habits spiral out of control, van der Sloot does the unthinkable by demanding $250,000 from Beth to reveal the exact location of Natalee’s remains. Intent on bringing her daughter’s alleged murderer to justice, Beth once again partners with the FBI and other authorities to find and arrest him. But before they can, the saga takes another twisted turn when van der Sloot allegedly murders a young Peruvian woman on the 5th anniversary of Natalee’s tragic disappearance.

<snipped>

ABOUT VANISHED WITH BETH HOLLOWAY

Lifetime’s gripping true-life series Vanished with Beth Holloway examines some of America’s most disturbing unsolved cases as told to Holloway by the families who’ve been victimized by mysterious abductions or disappearances of loved ones and unspeakable crimes. Now left with little hope, they turn to Holloway, who continues to live a mother’s worst nightmare as she carries on her tireless quest to uncover the mystery surrounding her daughter Natalee’s tragic 2005 disappearance. A passionate advocate for these families, Beth offers her unique insight into each case, dedicating her intensely personal point-of-view and empathy to family and loved ones seeking answers. Each episode will profile real-life mysteries, giving detailed accounts of the events described by those closest to the victims as Beth goes on location to conduct key interviews, introduce important facts and give the audience a clear understanding of pivotal moments in each harrowing case.

<snipped>

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/11/lifetime-original-movie-justice-for-natalee-holloway-to-premiere-may-9-followed-by-sneak-peek-of-true-life-series-vanished-with-beth-holloway/88963


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 11, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
Lifetime Original Movie "Justice for Natalee Holloway" to Premiere May 9, Followed by Sneak Peek of True-Life Series "Vanished with Beth Holloway"
By Bill Gorman– April 11, 2011


Vanished with Beth Holloway to Begin Airing in its Regularly Scheduled Time Period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 PM ET/PT.

LOS ANGELES (April 11, 2011) – Lifetime Television’s Original Movie, Justice for Natalee Holloway, a follow-up to the Lifetime Movie Network original Natalee Holloway, will premiere on Monday, May 9, at 9 pm ET/PT.

Immediately following Justice for Natalee Holloway at 11 pm ET/PT, Lifetime will debut a sneak peek of the true-life series, Vanished with Beth Holloway. The one-hour docu-reality program explores first-hand real-life mysteries of families who have been victimized by unsolved abductions, disappearances and unspeakable crimes, with Holloway offering a uniquely empathetic point of view to the loved ones that have been left behind. Lifetime has ordered 10 episodes of Vanished with Beth Holloway, which will begin airing in its regularly scheduled time period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 pm ET/PT.

ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

As a follow up to the original movie Natalee Holloway, the Lifetime Original Movie Justice for Natalee Holloway closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who in 2005 mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot (Stephen Amell, The Vampire Diaries), one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee’s fate, yet denying any responsibility for what happened to her. Tracy Pollan (Natalee Holloway, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) reprises her role as Beth Holloway.

Growing more arrogant about his professed innocence and finding himself increasingly in debt as his life and gambling habits spiral out of control, van der Sloot does the unthinkable by demanding $250,000 from Beth to reveal the exact location of Natalee’s remains. Intent on bringing her daughter’s alleged murderer to justice, Beth once again partners with the FBI and other authorities to find and arrest him. But before they can, the saga takes another twisted turn when van der Sloot allegedly murders a young Peruvian woman on the 5th anniversary of Natalee’s tragic disappearance.

<snipped>

ABOUT VANISHED WITH BETH HOLLOWAY

Lifetime’s gripping true-life series Vanished with Beth Holloway examines some of America’s most disturbing unsolved cases as told to Holloway by the families who’ve been victimized by mysterious abductions or disappearances of loved ones and unspeakable crimes. Now left with little hope, they turn to Holloway, who continues to live a mother’s worst nightmare as she carries on her tireless quest to uncover the mystery surrounding her daughter Natalee’s tragic 2005 disappearance. A passionate advocate for these families, Beth offers her unique insight into each case, dedicating her intensely personal point-of-view and empathy to family and loved ones seeking answers. Each episode will profile real-life mysteries, giving detailed accounts of the events described by those closest to the victims as Beth goes on location to conduct key interviews, introduce important facts and give the audience a clear understanding of pivotal moments in each harrowing case.

<snipped>

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/11/lifetime-original-movie-justice-for-natalee-holloway-to-premiere-may-9-followed-by-sneak-peek-of-true-life-series-vanished-with-beth-holloway/88963

Thanks for the update, Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 08:51:46 PM
Update:  Nothing about the hearing today yet on the LA Superior Court website. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2011, 08:53:42 PM
Update:  Nothing about the hearing today yet on the LA Superior Court website. 

Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 08:56:38 PM
Update:  Nothing about the hearing today yet on the LA Superior Court website. 

Thanks Klaas

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 08:58:53 PM
Klaas

Re: Post 672

Do you still have the documents relating to Kay Skeeters' motion regarding reimbursement of legal costs defending the defamation lawsuit.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 09:10:34 PM
Klaas

Re: Post 672

Do you still have the documents relating to Kay Skeeters' motion regarding reimbursement of legal costs defending the defamation lawsuit.

Thanks

Janet

Sure, someplace.  I'll look and repost.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Klaas

Re: Post 672

Do you still have the documents relating to Kay Skeeters' motion regarding reimbursement of legal costs defending the defamation lawsuit.

Thanks

Janet

Sure, someplace.  I'll look and repost.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 09:27:40 PM
Janet - I have this from 2009.  In the back of my mind I think I remember something about they didn't have to pay the fees after all but this gives you a tiny idea what they could be in for with the Dr. Phil team:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5301/5611329037_dcb144f197_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5023/5611329151_fedb292ec6_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5611911954_4331f0ee73_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5221/5611329103_7fab80404a_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 09:41:16 PM
Klaas

What was the outcome of Kay Skeeters' motion for her attorneys fees to be paid by the Kalpoes?

Thanks

Janet

++++

klaasen
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2009, 04:40:09 PM »


Today could be an interresting day in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case: 

Future Hearings
08/13/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - ATTORNEY FEES

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5807.0


Found it!

Klaas ... the documents you posted related to Kay Skeeters agreement to drop her request for attorney fees went "poof".  Is it possible to retrieve and post them again?

Thank you.

I cannot comprehend why Kay Skeeters would make this agreement.  The legal fees were $127,000.

Janet

+++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #824 9/06/09 -
« Reply #362 on: September 12, 2009, 05:45:15 PM »


The Kalpoes agree to drop claims against the Skeeters Estate and Kay Skeeters agrees to drop the request for attorney fees?

(posted documents missing)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.msg940947;topicseen#msg940947


Natalee Holloway: Estate of Jamie Skeeters Wins Motion to Strike Against Kalpoes in Dr. Phil Defamation Case
Posted May 9, 2009 by Scared Monkeys


<snipped>

The Kalpoe’s lose a motion against the Estate of Jamie Skeeters. A motion to strike has been granted by the courts in the matter of the Estate of Jamie Skeeters v. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe in the defamation lawsuit.

There is no competent evidence offered as to Defendant Skeeter’s liability for the emotional distress or fraud claims either. As such, the motion is properly granted in favor of Defendant Skeeter given Plaintiffs’ failure to offer sufficient competent evidence on essential elements of all causes of action in the FAC to show a possibility of success on the merits of their claims as against Defendant Skeeters. (pg14)

<snipped

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/05/09/natalee-holloway-estate-of-jamie-skeeters-wins-motion-to-strike-against-kalpoes-in-dr-phil-defamation-case/


Thanks Klaas

It was the documents that you posted on September 12, 2009 in regards to the August 13 2009, hearing pertaining to the motion regarding attorney fees that I wanted to read.  I want to understand why Kay Skeeters agreed to drop the motion and let the Kalpoes off the hook.

Why would Kay agree to absorbed her legal costs when the judge had ruled that the Kalpoes attorney had not proved their case against her husbnd?

Janet.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2011, 09:53:35 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 10:00:37 PM
This is one of the first pages of a 28 page document filed regarding Kay Skeeter's attorney fees.  Seems like they were trying to say Kay shouldn't get anything because the Dr. Phil team is paying the legal fees:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5229/5612005630_cb9448bd7e_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on April 11, 2011, 10:11:22 PM

I still want a trial.   

 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 10:15:10 PM
Lifesong - good to see you!  We don't know what the decision was today yet.  I'm sure that no matter WHAT the decision, it will be in the media so maybe tomorrow we'll know something one way or the other. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 10:18:36 PM
Thanks Klaas

That makes sense.

If the defamation lawsuit was thrown out today or ... if the Kalpoes lose in a court of law ... unless the financial backers are disclosed ... will reimbursement happen for the huge costs incurred to defend this lawsuit?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 10:25:07 PM
Yes


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 11, 2011, 10:32:16 PM
Yes

Who will the defence go after?  Is there a disclosure process that will expose those who are financially backing this lawsuit?

Janet

++++

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 11, 2011, 11:01:43 PM
Yes

Who will the defence go after?  Is there a disclosure process that will expose those who are financially backing this lawsuit?

Janet

++++

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/



Not sure but I imagine they would have to show who has been funding the suit then Dr. Phil would go after them (AHTA/ATA)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 11, 2011, 11:20:40 PM
The way I remember the decision on the legal fees in the Skeeters case was
that the Kalpoes had to promise that they would never bother Kaye Skeeters
again or file any lawsuit against her and she would waive the legal fees.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 12:24:37 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 12, 2011, 05:17:19 AM
Please light a candle and say a prayer for Natalee and her family. 
 
::MonkeyAngel::


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 12, 2011, 05:28:06 AM

Janet, hon.

#1  Dr. Phil did not settle and won't settle, because truth is on his side.
#2  The recording was not "manipulated."  That's the term that the Plaintiff is using to spin the case that there was wrong doing.  The recording was editted--a common practice for programs.

JMO

Let's wait for the Summary Judgment decision...and if we have to, let the trial begin!

Grace

If Phil McGraw has the truth on his side ... on Monday the court will dismiss the defamation lawsuit and ... the world will know for sure ... no doubt ... that Joran, Deepak and Satish had sex with Natalee Holloway.

However ... that still leaves my questions unanswered.  If the truth has been on Phil McGraw's side  ... why was this multi-million dollar lawsuit filed?  How was it suppose to benefit the financial backers?  How was suppose to benefit Aruba?  Why would the financial backers think for one minute that Phil McGraw would settle?

I am off.  Good Night Grace.

Janet
9:15 PM PT

++++++++


December, 2006

Ex-Holloway Suspects Sue Dr. Phi
Fri., Dec. 15, 2006 12:04 PM PST
by Josh Grossberg


<snipped>
 
The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court, accuses McGraw, along with private investigator Jamie Skeeters and the CBS Television Group, of committing libel and slander, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy by editing and airing an interview between Skeeters and Deepak Kalpoe to suggest the brothers somehow committed a crime.

The show's producer, Paramount Studios, slammed the lawsuit. "We stand by the integrity of the Dr. Phil show, our editing process and the accuracy of the program that we aired. We will vigorously defend against these baseless claims."

<snipped>

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b53983_Ex-Holloway_Suspects_Sue_Dr_Phil.html

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

My guess is that the "backers" of the Kalpoes are not spending their OWN money -- they are spending Aruba's tourism dollars. 5 years ago -- they thought it was worth the effort. Now they have so much invested, they can't walk away. You watch, when this all over and Dr. Phil prevails (either Monday or at trial) -- Aruba will be castigating both the Kalpoes AND Joran!!!!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, please.  Two tickets for the public castigation, in the orchestra section, if still available, thank you.  Is there an extra fee for the 'fire ants' encore?

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 12, 2011, 05:50:23 AM
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/politiek/2011/04/joran_mogelijk_in_nederlandse.html

Google translation:

APRIL 6 2011-23:51

JORAN POSSIBLE DUTCH CELL

Joran van der Sloot, if he is convicted in Peru for murder, possibly a part of his sentence in the Netherlands serve. A prisoner must normally first have a "substantial part" of his sentence in Peru prison.

Peru and the Netherlands have recently WOTS a treaty, which stands for Law Enforcement of Criminal Judgments shipment. Based on this law, a portion of their prison sentences in their homeland serve.

Van der Sloot has certainly be interested to serve his sentence in the Netherlands to sit, reports Reuters news agency. But first he must "inevitably" be damned. This means that all appeals have been exhausted.
 ::snipping2::


Well, this isn't good.  He needs to stay in Peru (and die in Peru), if not in Peru he needs to be right here in the United States.  Hopefully he will never see the light of day from his rathole he is in right now.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The people of the Netherlands should not have to lock up their female citizens to keep them safe.  You never know what anniversary it will be when the belly of 'the beast' demands to be fed. 

I hope the Netherlands consult their citizens first.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 12, 2011, 08:59:59 AM
  Proceedings Held  (Proceeding dates listed in descending order)



04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Continued by Court

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 :smt102 :smt102 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2011, 09:28:33 AM
 Proceedings Held  (Proceeding dates listed in descending order)



04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Continued by Court

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 :smt102 :smt102 ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm going to be gone for a few hours but it APPEARS the judge will take it to trial on June 13th, which IMO is a good thing:

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

Edited to add:  Until we see the actual decision or motion we won't really know for sure and it's not available yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2011, 10:06:05 AM
  Proceedings Held  (Proceeding dates listed in descending order)



04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Continued by Court

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 :smt102 :smt102 ::MonkeyConfused::

Could it be that the court still has not yet ruled on the Motion for Summary Judgement?  Could it be that the hearing will continue at another date?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2011, 10:23:08 AM
  Proceedings Held  (Proceeding dates listed in descending order)



04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Continued by Court

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 :smt102 :smt102 ::MonkeyConfused::

Could it be that the court still has not yet ruled on the Motion for Summary Judgement?  Could it be that the hearing will continue at another date?

Janet

Yes, could be


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 12, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
Thanks so much Klaas!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Big thank you to our generous donor!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 12, 2011, 03:49:49 PM
Thanks so much Klaas!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Big thank you to our generous donor!   ::MonkeyAngel::

     ::rhino::

 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 06:02:01 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6143:nieuwe-holloway-film-begin-mei&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

New Holloway movie in early May

Tuesday, 12 April 2011 3:11 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - TV channel Lifetime Movie Network (channel 10) broadcast on May 9 the premiere of the sequel film "Justice for Natalee Holloway off. The first part, where everything surrounding the disappearance of Natalee touched on, was such a success that the audience for sender decided to make a sequel.

Immediately after this film is the first part of the new reality series "Vanished with Beth Holloway. This series highlights Beth Holloway, the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba in 2005, some of America's most notorious unsolved cases.

The television is known for her "true screen adaptations. Beth told U.S. media that they are satisfied with their relationship with the television channel. "I myself always available," says Beth. "I have every opportunity to bring the case to keep Natalee in the spotlight. If you are looking for someone you love, you take every opportunity you offered. It's just so important. "
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 06:07:35 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Beth-and-Natalee-Holloway-return-to-LIFETIME/0rpZz07YrEOJV4OqnnLVSg.cspx

Beth and Natalee Holloway return to LIFETIME.

(http://www.cbs42.com/media/lib/124/5/c/8/5c8dc035-f434-4e82-b2ce-e630a7c4fe08/Story.jpg)

Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Almost six years after Natalee Holloway disappeared on a school trip to Aruba there are still many more questions than answers.  But as that grim anniversary approaches, Natalee's case is taking center stage on the Lifetime Network.

"Justice for Natalee Holloway" will premiere on the network May 9...followed by a sneak peek at a new series, "Vanished with Beth Holloway."  The movie is a sequel that picks up Natalee's story years after her disappearance and includes the bizarre timing of prime suspect Joran van der Sloot's involvement in a murder case in Peru.

Van der Sloot, who was never charged by Aruban authorities, has spent the past eleven months in prison in Peru.  He's charged with the murder of a 21 year old Peruvian student he met at a poker tournament.  The body of Stephany Flores was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance in Aruba.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 06:17:02 PM
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6906&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

Papiamentu translation:

24 hora happen | fecha: 11/04/2011 | horario: 17:46

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6906/2_1302558602.jpg)

guardacosta owing to intercepta boat susana cu drugs in awanan territorial of aruba, owing to succeed detene 2 person of surname b.

guardacosta owing to intercepta drugs close of aruba. guardacosta of kingdom dutch in caribe together in cooperacion cu the seccion of crimen organisa of police y also douane-recherche owing to intercepta the boat susana in water territorial of aruba cu drugs abordo. provided that conneccion cu the hayazgo here owing to have 2 person owing to stay deteni. the drugs confisca y the 2 sospechosonan deteni of surname b. owing to being happen at the departamento of crimen organisa of police.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
Moved to Thursday April 14, 2011:   ::MonkeyGavel::

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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 12, 2011, 09:01:12 PM
Thanks, Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 12, 2011, 09:31:05 PM
Moved to Thursday April 14, 2011:   ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/5614434043_c2c0f88dbb_b.jpg)



 ::MonkeyCool::   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 12, 2011, 09:36:04 PM
I want those little leprechauns to have to be cross examined by Dr. Phil's attorney's. Will this potentially throw the case out? Not that that is a bad thing, but I just want the ability to ask those twin leprechauns where they've gotten the money to finance the lawsuit, because we all know they got no money.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2011, 09:41:23 PM
Thanks Klaas

1.  04/14/11 - Motion for Summary Judgement
2.  05/09/11 - "Justice for Natalee Holloway" Lifetime Movie
3.  05/11/11 - "Vanished" Lifetime Series with Beth Holloway
4.  06/13/11 - Trial (?)

+++++

Lifetime Original Movie "Justice for Natalee Holloway" to Premiere May 9, Followed by Sneak Peek of True-Life Series "Vanished with Beth Holloway"
By Bill Gorman– April 11, 2011


Vanished with Beth Holloway to Begin Airing in its Regularly Scheduled Time Period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 PM ET/PT.

LOS ANGELES (April 11, 2011) – Lifetime Television’s Original Movie, Justice for Natalee Holloway, a follow-up to the Lifetime Movie Network original Natalee Holloway, will premiere on Monday, May 9, at 9 pm ET/PT.

Immediately following Justice for Natalee Holloway at 11 pm ET/PT, Lifetime will debut a sneak peek of the true-life series, Vanished with Beth Holloway. The one-hour docu-reality program explores first-hand real-life mysteries of families who have been victimized by unsolved abductions, disappearances and unspeakable crimes, with Holloway offering a uniquely empathetic point of view to the loved ones that have been left behind. Lifetime has ordered 10 episodes of Vanished with Beth Holloway, which will begin airing in its regularly scheduled time period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 pm ET/PT.

ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

As a follow up to the original movie Natalee Holloway, the Lifetime Original Movie Justice for Natalee Holloway closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who in 2005 mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot (Stephen Amell, The Vampire Diaries), one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee’s fate, yet denying any responsibility for what happened to her. Tracy Pollan (Natalee Holloway, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) reprises her role as Beth Holloway.

Growing more arrogant about his professed innocence and finding himself increasingly in debt as his life and gambling habits spiral out of control, van der Sloot does the unthinkable by demanding $250,000 from Beth to reveal the exact location of Natalee’s remains. Intent on bringing her daughter’s alleged murderer to justice, Beth once again partners with the FBI and other authorities to find and arrest him. But before they can, the saga takes another twisted turn when van der Sloot allegedly murders a young Peruvian woman on the 5th anniversary of Natalee’s tragic disappearance.

<snipped>

ABOUT VANISHED WITH BETH HOLLOWAY

Lifetime’s gripping true-life series Vanished with Beth Holloway examines some of America’s most disturbing unsolved cases as told to Holloway by the families who’ve been victimized by mysterious abductions or disappearances of loved ones and unspeakable crimes. Now left with little hope, they turn to Holloway, who continues to live a mother’s worst nightmare as she carries on her tireless quest to uncover the mystery surrounding her daughter Natalee’s tragic 2005 disappearance. A passionate advocate for these families, Beth offers her unique insight into each case, dedicating her intensely personal point-of-view and empathy to family and loved ones seeking answers. Each episode will profile real-life mysteries, giving detailed accounts of the events described by those closest to the victims as Beth goes on location to conduct key interviews, introduce important facts and give the audience a clear understanding of pivotal moments in each harrowing case.

<snipped>

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/11/lifetime-original-movie-justice-for-natalee-holloway-to-premiere-may-9-followed-by-sneak-peek-of-true-life-series-vanished-with-beth-holloway/88963



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 12, 2011, 10:02:47 PM
Moved to Thursday April 14, 2011:   ::MonkeyGavel::

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Klaas,

I understand that there is a continuance of the Motion for Summary Judgment; however, in the document above, what was "DENIED"?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2011, 10:04:34 PM
I want those little leprechauns to have to be cross examined by Dr. Phil's attorney's. Will this potentially throw the case out? Not that that is a bad thing, but I just want the ability to ask those twin leprechauns where they've gotten the money to finance the lawsuit, because we all know they got no money.

If the Dr. Phil team wins the Summary Judgement, set now for April 14th then it's over, the Kalpoe's lose and will likely have to pay hundreds of thousands in attorney fees.  If the judge rules NO to the Summary Judgement on April 14th, then the trial should go ahead as planned on June 13, 2011.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2011, 10:06:42 PM
Grace-land - the DENIED is referencing the short lived suit filed by Beth against the Kalpoes that was tied in with the Dr. Phil case sortof.  It was thrown out:

Twitty/Holloway
Case Number:  BC363407 (now denied)

Kalpoe
Case Number:  BC363201 (ongoing)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 12, 2011, 10:09:07 PM
Grace-land - the DENIED is referencing the short lived suit filed by Beth against the Kalpoes that was tied in with the Dr. Phil case sortof.  It was thrown out:

Twitty/Holloway
Case Number:  BC363407 (now denied)

Kalpoe
Case Number:  BC363201 (ongoing)
 

Thanks, Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 12, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
I want those little leprechauns to have to be cross examined by Dr. Phil's attorney's. Will this potentially throw the case out? Not that that is a bad thing, but I just want the ability to ask those twin leprechauns where they've gotten the money to finance the lawsuit, because we all know they got no money.

If the Dr. Phil team wins the Summary Judgement, set now for April 14th then it's over, the Kalpoe's lose and will likely have to pay hundreds of thousands in attorney fees.  If the judge rules NO to the Summary Judgement on April 14th, then the trial should go ahead as planned on June 13, 2011.

Thanks, Klaas. Although I'd like to see the Leprechauns deposed on the stand just to watch them squirm. I also would like to see Dr. Phil go after the attorney's fees and have a few shows about the whole case, who funded it, and why he believe's they funded it.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 12, 2011, 10:17:15 PM
Keepthefaith, klaasend, AZSunny, grace-land, Magnolia, texasmom, wreck and 12 Guests

 ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 10:25:09 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/Melody%20Granadillo/MG_1_11262010.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/Melody%20Granadillo/MG_2_04082011.jpg)


Melody????  

If it is, she needs to climb out of Anita's ass long enough to get a good dose of reality.  

Maybe she should spend a little time educating herself on just how far Anita has gone over the past almost six years to blame Natalee and her family for her disappearance.  How many lies she's told and promoted through others.  

Joran was a seventeen year old spoiled brat that was accustomed to getting and doing anything he wanted (with no limits, and no consequences) when he targeted Natalee Holloway.  He should have never been in the casino, with or without his father.  He should have never been in Carlos n Charlie's.  But he was.  He was not only in those establishments underage, but was well known to frequent them and target tourist girls on their final night in Aruba.  

Joran is the product of his enabling parents.  He learned to lie from the master...his mother.

Even after Joran has more than likely murdered two beautiful young girls with their whole lives ahead of them...Anita STILL has the audacity to blame the victims.

(June 2010)

http://www.hulu.com/watch/158333/abc-nightline-anita-van-der-sloot-exclusive
 ::snipping2::

Anita van der Sloot:

"What I saw of him with his friends going out, were good looking guys and American girls would come to them...and it's still the same.  I mean...these girls are coming here also to party and to have a good time."
 ::snipping2::

That statement should be given to every American tourist that boards a plane to Aruba.

Natalee wasn't the first victim of Joran and his friends and what they considered a "good time".  There's a reason they chose their targets and waited until their final night on the island to strike.  That "good time" courtesy of Joran and his pimp friends wasn't the good time any of those girls were looking for.

Natalee didn't survive it.

Anita knows it and the Aruban police knew it too in 2005.  I'd be willing to bet that even Melody knows it!

Melody has been a parent a few years now, and thinks she knows so much.  I hope she's learning her parenting skills from somewhere other than at Anita's knee.  Anita is grieving for her husband and heartbroken for her "troubled" son????  Maybe one of these days Melody's heart will really be shattered enough to look into the eyes of Natalee's parents, of Stephany's parents to see what real grief looks like.  

Maybe she should take a few minutes to look into her own daughter's eyes and think about Natalee.  Think about Beth and Dave...Natalee's brother...grandparents...all those that love her... NOT KNOWING for SIX LONG YEARS...where she is???...and what they did to her that prevented them from ever being willing to return her remains to her family????...  Then she needs to think about Stephany...violently beaten and then strangled to MAKE SURE she was dead...left in a room with orders to not disturb for days while the killer fled...think about her parents...look into their eyes and see their grief.

Would she feel the same about Anita if Natalee or Stephany had been her sister, her daughter, anyone she loved????

Anita hasn't lost her son, she's still doing all she can for him.  She hasn't missed a beat.

Anita believes in karma too...  Well she should, her oldest son delivered a mega dose of it to her on the fifth anniversary of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Her mentality begged for it for five long years while Natalee's family suffered and she covered for him and conspired against them.

But what was Anita's first inclinations about it?  Set up.

I hope Melody will remember that.

And now Kailey may be Joran's?  Really?  Or is Melody looking for five more minutes of fame?  What an awful way to get it if that's it!  Poor Kailey!  Even the suggestion of such, if that truly was Melody posting...as a mother...I find it unthinkable. 

She asks "so what?"

Maybe she'll figure that out when Kailey's a teenager, and has lived/is living with the notoriety of "maybe" being the daughter of the monster, the murderer.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


JMHO


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 10:31:11 PM
Moved to Thursday April 14, 2011:   ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/5614434043_c2c0f88dbb_b.jpg)



Thanks Klaas!  And thanks anonymous monkey that pays for the documents!   ::MonkeyKiss::
 ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 12, 2011, 10:54:15 PM

Klaas,

I understand that there is a continuance of the Motion for Summary Judgment; however, in the document above, what was "DENIED"?

Wrongful Death Lawsuit Filed - December, 2006

Natalee's Parents Sue Kalpoe Brothers
December 15, 2006


Two brothers from Aruba, twice arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, filed a lawsuit this week in Los Angeles against talk show host Dr. Phil, opening themselves up to the jurisdiction of the California courts. Natalee's parents, Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway, immediately filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the Kalpoes in the same court.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe filed a defamation suit against Dr. Phil, CBS, Paramount, and others over an interview they claimed "was manipulated and later broadcast by the 'Dr. Phil' show as being accurate and which portrays Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe 'as engaging in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway and constitutes defamation per se.'"

When the Kalpoes filed their lawsuit Wednesday, it opened them up to civil jurisdiction of the California courts under a "related case" lawsuit, according to the attorney for Natalee's parents. A day after the Kalpoes filed, the Alabama teen's parents filed against the Kalpoes.

The family's lawsuit claims the Kalpoes caused the death of Natalee Holloway by "intentionally, negligently, wantonly ... unlawfully conducting themselves" to bring about her fatal injuries.

"All we want is justice for our daughter. There is no doubt in my mind that Deepak and Satish played a role in my daughter's death and should be held accountable," Beth Twitty said in a news release. "It is unconscionable that they have not been punished so far."

<snipped>

http://crime.about.com/b/2006/12/15/natalees-parents-sue-kalpoe-brothers.htm


Wrongful Death Lawsuit Dismissed - June, 2007

Judge Tosses Wrongful Death Lawsuit in Holloway Case
Saturday, June 02, 2007


LOS ANGELES —  A judge dismissed a wrongful-death lawsuit Friday against two Aruba brothers filed by the parents of a teenager who vanished during a vacation there.

The parents of Natalee Holloway cannot sue in Los Angeles because the case has no California connection and the courts lack jurisdiction over the brothers, Superior Court Judge Charles C. Lee said in granting a motion to toss out the lawsuit.

Elizabeth Ann Twitty of Alabama and Dave E. Holloway of Mississippi will decide whether to appeal, said their attorney, John Q. Kelly.

"There are all kinds of promising issues," Kelly said after the ruling.

A similar lawsuit filed in a New York court against another Aruba man, Joran van der Sloot, was thrown out by a judge last summer.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277272,00.html


Jurisdiction!!

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2011, 10:55:30 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/Melody%20Granadillo/MG_1_11262010.jpg)


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/Melody%20Granadillo/MG_2_04082011.jpg)


Melody????  

If it is, she needs to climb out of Anita's ass long enough to get a good dose of reality.  

Maybe she should spend a little time educating herself on just how far Anita has gone over the past almost six years to blame Natalee and her family for her disappearance.  How many lies she's told and promoted through others.  

Joran was a seventeen year old spoiled brat that was accustomed to getting and doing anything he wanted (with no limits, and no consequences) when he targeted Natalee Holloway.  He should have never been in the casino, with or without his father.  He should have never been in Carlos n Charlie's.  But he was.  He was not only in those establishments underage, but was well known to frequent them and target tourist girls on their final night in Aruba.  

Joran is the product of his enabling parents.  He learned to lie from the master...his mother.

Even after Joran has more than likely murdered two beautiful young girls with their whole lives ahead of them...Anita STILL has the audacity to blame the victims.

(June 2010)

http://www.hulu.com/watch/158333/abc-nightline-anita-van-der-sloot-exclusive
 ::snipping2::

Anita van der Sloot:

"What I saw of him with his friends going out, were good looking guys and American girls would come to them...and it's still the same.  I mean...these girls are coming here also to party and to have a good time."
 ::snipping2::

That statement should be given to every American tourist that boards a plane to Aruba.

Natalee wasn't the first victim of Joran and his friends and what they considered a "good time".  There's a reason they chose their targets and waited until their final night on the island to strike.  That "good time" courtesy of Joran and his pimp friends wasn't the good time any of those girls were looking for.

Natalee didn't survive it.

Anita knows it and the Aruban police knew it too in 2005.  I'd be willing to bet that even Melody knows it!

Melody has been a parent a few years now, and thinks she knows so much.  I hope she's learning her parenting skills from somewhere other than at Anita's knee.  Anita is grieving for her husband and heartbroken for her "troubled" son????  Maybe one of these days Melody's heart will really be shattered enough to look into the eyes of Natalee's parents, of Stephany's parents to see what real grief looks like.  

Maybe she should take a few minutes to look into her own daughter's eyes and think about Natalee.  Think about Beth and Dave...Natalee's brother...grandparents...all those that love her... NOT KNOWING for SIX LONG YEARS...where she is???...and what they did to her that prevented them from ever being willing to return her remains to her family????...  Then she needs to think about Stephany...violently beaten and then strangled to MAKE SURE she was dead...left in a room with orders to not disturb for days while the killer fled...think about her parents...look into their eyes and see their grief.

Would she feel the same about Anita if Natalee or Stephany had been her sister, her daughter, anyone she loved????

Anita hasn't lost her son, she's still doing all she can for him.  She hasn't missed a beat.

Anita believes in karma too...  Well she should, her oldest son delivered a mega dose of it to her on the fifth anniversary of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  Her mentality begged for it for five long years while Natalee's family suffered and she covered for him and conspired against them.

But what was Anita's first inclinations about it?  Set up.

I hope Melody will remember that.

And now Kailey may be Joran's?  Really?  Or is Melody looking for five more minutes of fame?  What an awful way to get it if that's it!  Poor Kailey!  Even the suggestion of such, if that truly was Melody posting...as a mother...I find it unthinkable. 

She asks "so what?"

Maybe she'll figure that out when Kailey's a teenager, and has lived/is living with the notoriety of "maybe" being the daughter of the monster, the murderer.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


JMHO


TM you are 100% right about everything including Melody


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 11:07:25 PM
Klaas,

When you have time...

I tried to respond to the MG comments on the front page.  I didn't see the "your comment is awaiting moderation" message.  Would you check and see if it's there or if I should submit again?

TIA! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 12, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
Klaas,

When you have time...

I tried to respond to the MG comments on the front page.  I didn't see the "your comment is awaiting moderation" message.  Would you check and see if it's there or if I should submit again?

TIA! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/



Found it in the spam folder, moved it to moderation and approved it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 12, 2011, 11:22:33 PM
Klaas,

When you have time...

I tried to respond to the MG comments on the front page.  I didn't see the "your comment is awaiting moderation" message.  Would you check and see if it's there or if I should submit again?

TIA! 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/18/joran-van-der-sloot-ex-girlfriends-nickname-should-be-lucky/



Found it in the spam folder, moved it to moderation and approved it  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you!   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 01:41:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_kjjkik_1.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 13, 2011, 06:50:40 AM
Seems that Joran has stabbed a few people...but it's not his fault...he was provoked... ::MonkeyRoll::



Dutch to English translation

UPDATE Joran van der Sloot in the past five months at least three people stabbed. That writes the weekly magazine Panorama, a source from the vicinity of Joran van der Sloot said.
Joran was under the influence of drugs very aggressively in the Castro Castro prison in Lima. Van der Sloot would repeatedly bribing guards and succeed himself of weapons and drugs provided. "He's been countless times thrown into solitary confinement, but he always hostile, 'says the source.

According to Panorama is a victim of Joran a cellmate. This man was stabbed in his stomach, after which the severely wounded man urgently required surgery.

According NU.nl Joran's lawyer denies the allegations, but the blame lies in part at the prison. "They cause such behavior by exposing it to pressure and stressful situations. He can not handle it, "said Maximo Altez.

Crime Reporter Peter R. Ferris is not surprised about the news. "Joran is running in the jail. What's new?? Run by Joran on Aruba beach ... Joran run by Peru hotel room, "writes the crime fighter on Twitter.

Van der Sloot is suspected in May last year the 21-year-old Flores in a hotel room in the Peruvian capital Lima to have killed.
04/13/1911 12:13

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/578407/2011/04/13/Joran-stak-al-3-mensen-neer-in-Castro-Castro.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2011, 10:06:29 AM
'Joran van der Sloot involved in prison stabbings'
Wednesday 13 April
2011

<snipped>.

The magazine says Van der Sloot, who is charged with murdering a young Peruvian woman, has stabbed three different people, one of whom required emergency treatment.

Panorama says Van der Sloot, 23, is a heavy drug user in prison. 'He has been put into solitary confinement several times but comes out even more angry,' one source told the magazine.

<snipped>

Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altez does not deny his client has been involved in the stabbing incidents, Panorama says

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/04/joran_van_der_sloot_involved_i.php


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: caesu on April 13, 2011, 12:02:04 PM
i don't think JVDS will last another year.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 13, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376529/Is-Natalee-Holloway-buried-ina-tomb-New-evidence-mystery-death-teenage-beauty.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Is Natalee Holloway buried in a  tomb? New lead in mystery of missing teenage beauty

The body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is hidden in an Aruban tomb, it was claimed today.

According to reports, a Peruvian prison informant told police the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, 23-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, had confessed the terrible truth to him while he was holed up in the country's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail.
Van der Sloot, who is awaiting trial for the brutal murder of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores, also allegedly used a laptop to email a friend the gruesome details of Natalee's 2005 murder.

 ::snipping2::

Talking to the publication, an investigative 'insider' said: 'Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused  to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him.
'He lost control and beat and strangled her , and came to his senses only when he discovered that she was almost dead.
'At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries.'

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 13, 2011, 02:13:14 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376529/Is-Natalee-Holloway-buried-ina-tomb-New-evidence-mystery-death-teenage-beauty.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Is Natalee Holloway buried in a  tomb? New lead in mystery of missing teenage beauty

The body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is hidden in an Aruban tomb, it was claimed today.

According to reports, a Peruvian prison informant told police the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, 23-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, had confessed the terrible truth to him while he was holed up in the country's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail.
Van der Sloot, who is awaiting trial for the brutal murder of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores, also allegedly used a laptop to email a friend the gruesome details of Natalee's 2005 murder.

 ::snipping2::

Talking to the publication, an investigative 'insider' said: 'Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused  to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him.
'He lost control and beat and strangled her , and came to his senses only when he discovered that she was almost dead.
'At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries.'

 ::snipping2::
I've always thought she was buried in a shallow grave on the island and then moved days later. I still believe the trap was the final place though.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 02:29:53 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376529/Is-Natalee-Holloway-buried-ina-tomb-New-evidence-mystery-death-teenage-beauty.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Is Natalee Holloway buried in a  tomb? New lead in mystery of missing teenage beauty

The body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is hidden in an Aruban tomb, it was claimed today.

According to reports, a Peruvian prison informant told police the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, 23-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, had confessed the terrible truth to him while he was holed up in the country's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail.
Van der Sloot, who is awaiting trial for the brutal murder of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores, also allegedly used a laptop to email a friend the gruesome details of Natalee's 2005 murder.

 ::snipping2::

Talking to the publication, an investigative 'insider' said: 'Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused  to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him.
'He lost control and beat and strangled her , and came to his senses only when he discovered that she was almost dead.
'At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries.'

 ::snipping2::
I've always thought she was buried in a shallow grave on the island and then moved days later. I still believe the trap was the final place though.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/
 ::snipping2::


TIM MILLER
We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phoneswere possibly being used in that area. Joran stated that something went wrong and they buried Nataleein the sand which we feel the spot we found is possibly it. The duct tape and hair was found 3/4 of a mile from where the possible gravesite was. With the information of her being buried, possible cellphone usage, discovery of possible gravesite, and duct tape with hair lead me to believe that Natalee was dumped in the sea in that area. We are anxiously awaiting the results of the hair samples which has been sent to the FBI lab and also the lab in the Netherlands.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
Joran van der Sloot three inmates stabbed

 ::snipping2::

According to those sources discussed, Van der Sloot "went crazy" when his mother cut off contact after a telephone conversation very emotional. However, it seems to have enough money to buy favors from the guards and access to weapons and drugs.

 Maximum Highness the Van der Sloot's lawyer, does not deny the events of knives, but explains in the magazine that the guards and other inmates of the Castro Castro prison caused his client and are responsible for Van der Sloot display that character in situciones stressful to not know how to cope. "

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-apu%C3%B1al%C3%B3-a-tres-reclusos


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2011, 02:50:38 PM
Higher Powers[/b]

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

PATRICK: Where the f--- is she Joran?

JORAN: I don’t know precisely.

PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?

JORAN: Yea—

PATRICK: Higher power?

JORAN: Higher power—powers


Paulus and Co.

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #312 on: January 23, 2008, 12:43:21 AM »


While I think that was excellent logic, I think that possibly the only difference I believe is that the boys buried her by the fishermans hut, and Paulus and Co moved her without the boys knowledge because of Joran's confession and the fact the boys recorded conversation indicate they don't know where she is now. Also, if Lorenzo is involved, maybe Guido was there only the party was at Lorenzo's?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg331268;topicseen#msg331268


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
Joran does not protrude and goes to church

 Joran van der Sloot doorrrr does not run, or so says his lawyer Máximo Altez. He thus responds to stories of the magazine Panorama that Van der Sloot has three inmates in Peru would have stabbed.

 Altez says the story is absolutely not true. ''The Director of the Institute of Prisons, I have verified the information and it appears totally fabricated. There are bad intentions to do harm to Joran. But he actually wants to change his life and goes to church. "

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nieuwso.nl/lees-Joran-steekt-niet-en-gaat-naar-kerk-729533.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 13, 2011, 02:56:27 PM
'Stabbing by Van der Sloot verzonnnen'
 04/13/1911, 19:24
 LIMA - The story in the magazine Panorama that Joran van der Sloot inmates would have inserted, is clearly out of thin air. That his lawyer has said Máximo Altez.

 ::snipping2::

Altez wants the journalists to court days. (Reuters)

http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4324/Nieuws/article/detail/1874842/2011/04/13/Steken-door-Van-der-Sloot-is-verzonnnen.dhtml


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2011, 03:24:41 PM
I have always felt in a crypt of someone that had recently died would be the quickest and easiest place to put Natalee.  It would not be searched:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2805.0

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/fdggfdgd56.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2011, 03:29:32 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376529/Is-Natalee-Holloway-buried-ina-tomb-New-evidence-mystery-death-teenage-beauty.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Is Natalee Holloway buried in a  tomb? New lead in mystery of missing teenage beauty

The body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is hidden in an Aruban tomb, it was claimed today.

According to reports, a Peruvian prison informant told police the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, 23-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, had confessed the terrible truth to him while he was holed up in the country's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail.
Van der Sloot, who is awaiting trial for the brutal murder of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores, also allegedly used a laptop to email a friend the gruesome details of Natalee's 2005 murder.

 ::snipping2::

Talking to the publication, an investigative 'insider' said: 'Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused  to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him.
'He lost control and beat and strangled her , and came to his senses only when he discovered that she was almost dead.
'At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries.'

 ::snipping2::
I've always thought she was buried in a shallow grave on the island and then moved days later. I still believe the trap was the final place though.

Wreck

My theory implies that Natalee was removed from the shallow grave and placed in the landfill but ... when the "powers that be" learned there had been a witness ... Natalee was retrieved ... placed in the trap and taken out out to sea.

Janet

+++++

Boca Tortuga - Shallow Grave?

Scared Monkey’s Interview Transcript with Tim Miller - July 24th, 2005

<snipped>

RED:  There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran early in the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues

We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phoneswere possibly being used in that area. Joran stated that something went wrong and they buried Nataleein the sand which we feel the spot we found is possibly it. The duct tape and hair was found 3/4 of a mile from where the possible gravesite was. With the information of her being buried, possible cellphone usage, discovery of possible gravesite, and duct tape with hair lead me to believe that Nataleewas dumped in the sea in that area. We are anxiously awaiting the results of the hair samples which has been sent to the FBI lab and also the lab in the Netherlands.

<snipped>

Posted July 24, 2005 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/


An Early Landfill Search

Police Comb Aruba Landfill in Natalee Case
Saturday, July 30, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —  Police and volunteers used heavy equipment, shovels and trained dogs Saturday to pick through a landfill where a witness claimed he saw men dumping a female body two days after an Alabama teenager vanished.

<snipped>

The witness could not identify the men but said they were driving a light colored jeep, said Miller, who spoke to the man Friday.

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia (search) said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip in days following Holloway's disappearance, but found nothing. He said the witness recently approached Holloway's family, who asked for another search.

<snipped>

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164208,00.html


The Little Pool

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 3, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>
GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools?
 
MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they`re concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it.
 
GRACE: OK, I`m sorry. I didn`t hear that. Repeat, Jossy.
 
MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/03/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
SELF EDIT - POST 735

We found a site that we feel ... s/b TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel ...


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: yuknomenot on April 13, 2011, 05:17:35 PM
Joran van der Sloot three inmates stabbed

 ::snipping2::

According to those sources discussed, Van der Sloot "went crazy" when his mother cut off contact after a telephone conversation very emotional. However, it seems to have enough money to buy favors from the guards and access to weapons and drugs.

 Maximum Highness the Van der Sloot's lawyer, does not deny the events of knives, but explains in the magazine that the guards and other inmates of the Castro Castro prison caused his client and are responsible for Van der Sloot display that character in situciones stressful to not know how to cope. "

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/joran-van-der-sloot-apu%C3%B1al%C3%B3-a-tres-reclusos
BBM, Is anyone, ever, going to hold him accountable for his own actions  ::MonkeyMad::.  What is it about him that attracts enablers.   IMO, the blame lies solely with Anita and Paulus, if they had been proper parents Natalee and Stephany would still be alive.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 13, 2011, 07:37:54 PM
Joran does not protrude and goes to church

 Joran van der Sloot doorrrr does not run, or so says his lawyer Máximo Altez. He thus responds to stories of the magazine Panorama that Van der Sloot has three inmates in Peru would have stabbed.

 Altez says the story is absolutely not true. ''The Director of the Institute of Prisons, I have verified the information and it appears totally fabricated. There are bad intentions to do harm to Joran. But he actually wants to change his life and goes to church. "

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nieuwso.nl/lees-Joran-steekt-niet-en-gaat-naar-kerk-729533.html


Only on Bingo nights.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 07:57:23 PM
Joran does not protrude and goes to church

 Joran van der Sloot doorrrr does not run, or so says his lawyer Máximo Altez. He thus responds to stories of the magazine Panorama that Van der Sloot has three inmates in Peru would have stabbed.

 Altez says the story is absolutely not true. ''The Director of the Institute of Prisons, I have verified the information and it appears totally fabricated. There are bad intentions to do harm to Joran. But he actually wants to change his life and goes to church. "

 ::snipping2::

http://www.nieuwso.nl/lees-Joran-steekt-niet-en-gaat-naar-kerk-729533.html

Only on Bingo nights.... ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blue Moon on April 13, 2011, 08:13:45 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376529/Is-Natalee-Holloway-buried-ina-tomb-New-evidence-mystery-death-teenage-beauty.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Is Natalee Holloway buried in a  tomb? New lead in mystery of missing teenage beauty

The body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is hidden in an Aruban tomb, it was claimed today.

According to reports, a Peruvian prison informant told police the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, 23-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, had confessed the terrible truth to him while he was holed up in the country's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail.
Van der Sloot, who is awaiting trial for the brutal murder of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores, also allegedly used a laptop to email a friend the gruesome details of Natalee's 2005 murder.

 ::snipping2::

Talking to the publication, an investigative 'insider' said: 'Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused  to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him.
'He lost control and beat and strangled her , and came to his senses only when he discovered that she was almost dead.
'At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries.'

 ::snipping2::
I've always thought she was buried in a shallow grave on the island and then moved days later. I still believe the trap was the final place though.

I agree Wreck.  I think they found the early shallow gravesite and she was removed from it by Daddy dearest.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 08:22:55 PM
snipped from today's Amigoe

http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/13-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Joran runs through

ORANGE CITY / LIMA -  Joran van der Sloot would in recent months least three people have been stabbed in the Castro Castro prison in Peru. It says at least a source at the Dutch weekly magazine Panorama.
 ::snipping2::
The reason for the aggressive behavior of the Dutch would a phone call from his mother late last year. They would after an emotional telephone contact with Joran have broken and have caused him a lonely Christmas. Yet it seems Joran whenever sufficient funds to have security guards to buy weapons and to and drugs.
 ::snipping2::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: IBE on April 13, 2011, 08:50:32 PM
Looking for Klaas

O/T Heard there is a rally in downtown LA at the Corrections place?? or somewhere on Friday for Donna Jou when John Steven Burgess is release. Can't find any info. Help please. TIA Thank you and God Bless, IBE

PS Would like the info to be posted on her thread.

Riding for Justice
::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 09:10:10 PM
Great article!  I really wanted to post it ALL!   ::MonkeyWaa::

http://tribstar.com/news/x1240518309/A-mother-whose-daughter-s-life-had-a-tragic-end-urges-women-to-stay-safe

News From Terre Haute, Indiana

April 13, 2011

A mother whose daughter’s life had a tragic end urges women to stay safe

Arthur Foulkes
The Tribune-Star

TERRE HAUTE — Speaking with a soft southern accent, Beth Holloway Twitty told more than 300 people at St. Mary-of-the-Woods College on Tuesday night about the tragic disappearance of her daughter and her emotional struggle to come to terms with her loss.

Twitty’s daughter, Natalee Holloway, 18, made global headlines in 2005 when she disappeared shortly before she was supposed to return home from a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island of Aruba.

 “There was really no way to describe how I felt,” Twitty told the audience in Cecilian Auditorium at SMWC.

 ::snipping2::

“I love her. I still miss her,” Twitty said at the conclusion of her 40-minute talk. Natalee “never saw this coming. She let her guard down for a moment and in that moment, she disappeared.”

Arthur Foulkes can be reached at (812) 231-4232 or arthur.foulkes@tribstar.com.

The story was also on the front page!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://links.tribstar.com/leaderboard/frontpage.pdf



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 09:18:24 PM
 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/mother-continues-search-for-daughter

Mother continues search for daughter

Updated: Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 11:53 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 9:56 PM EDT

News Staff

Terre Haute, Ind. (WTHI) - She's a mother on a mission who claims she'll never stop searching for her daughter.

That's Beth Holloway.

She is the mother of Natalee Holloway, a girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba back in 2005.

Beth spoke Tuesday at Saint Mary of the Woods College, and she had a strong message.

She claims that, six years later, she refuses to give up the search for her daughter.
 ::snipping2::

VIDEO AT THE LINK


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2011, 09:25:23 PM
Looking for Klaas

O/T Heard there is a rally in downtown LA at the Corrections place?? or somewhere on Friday for Donna Jou when John Steven Burgess is release. Can't find any info. Help please. TIA Thank you and God Bless, IBE

PS Would like the info to be posted on her thread.

Riding for Justice
::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

I'll look for you IBE.  I think I heard something about that too.

O/T

http://www.kusi.com/story/14425910/lenderman-pkg

This week, Jou's mother is in Sacramento as part of National Crime Victims' Rights Week. Friday, she will join Reza and other family members and supporters outside the Los Angeles courthouse, where the L.A. District Attorney is headquartered, to protest Burgess' release.

http://donnajou.com/burgesletter.html

Doesn't say what time on Friday.  Maybe you could get in touch with the family and find out? 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2011, 09:31:30 PM
::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/mother-continues-search-for-daughter

Mother continues search for daughter

Updated: Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 11:53 PM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 12 Apr 2011, 9:56 PM EDT

News Staff

Terre Haute, Ind. (WTHI) - She's a mother on a mission who claims she'll never stop searching for her daughter.

That's Beth Holloway.

She is the mother of Natalee Holloway, a girl from Alabama who went missing in Aruba back in 2005.

Beth spoke Tuesday at Saint Mary of the Woods College, and she had a strong message.

She claims that, six years later, she refuses to give up the search for her daughter.
 ::snipping2::

VIDEO AT THE LINK


Thanks TM


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on April 13, 2011, 09:46:55 PM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Report-van-der-Sloot-involved-in-prison-stabbings/Z5oPxd682USNEAU0VpYP0g.cspx
Report: van der Sloot involved in prison stabbings
Print Story
Published: 3:35 pm

(WIAT)- According to a Peruvian magazine, Joran van der Sloot has stabbed three people while in prison in Peru awaiting trial for the murder of Stephany Flores. The magazine, called Panorama, goes on to state that one of the three stabbing victims required emergency care and that these incidents have caused prison officials to put van der Sloot in solitary confinement. The magazine also claims that van der Sloot is a heavy drug user.

This report comes after a recent accusation made by a Dutch minister that van der Sloot was receiving preferential treatment while in prison.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 10:38:02 PM
http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/report-joran-van-der-sloot-stabbed-3-fellow-inmates-anger-management-issues-there-joran

 ::snipping2::

The Dutch native's lawyer, Maximo Altez, has not publicly addressed the latest allegations. Panorama reported that he has not denied his client was involved.

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 11:04:55 PM
http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/30228-herby-merryweather-dios-ta-grandi.html

Papiamentu translation:

herby merryweather: god is big!

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_thumbs/b.175.125.16777215.0...images.stories.news.2011.april.apr13.corte.front.jpg)

wednesday, 13 april 2011 13:29

 ::snipping2::
today corte superior (cu three huez) owing to atende the caso in cual abogadonan mr. vito carlo y mr. chris lejuez owing to defende the sospechosonan. herby merryweather owing to tell huez cu the not had none bad intencion cu the arm. is for her defende his self y his negoshinan y debi at bad experiencia in pasado. past owing to tell cu god is big y is wait for of leave pound of the acusacionnan here. the son owing to splica cu the is cuida beast y cu the not can is close because the bestianan is depende of dje for medicamento y cuminda. fiscal of another near is insisti cu have one maneha riguroso on portacion illegal of arm of candela y cu have castigo of jail for esunnan cu abort at accomplish cu leynan vigente. corte superior owing to listen the caso here cu very atencion y diaranzon now will dicta one sentencia. the posibilidad tey cu both can wordo deteni of new.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 13, 2011, 11:22:54 PM
I think this may be the magazine that the story came from.  The cover of the magazine is all that's really there...no article.

http://www.panorama.nl/magazine



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: nonesuche on April 13, 2011, 11:31:29 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376529/Is-Natalee-Holloway-buried-ina-tomb-New-evidence-mystery-death-teenage-beauty.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Is Natalee Holloway buried in a  tomb? New lead in mystery of missing teenage beauty

The body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is hidden in an Aruban tomb, it was claimed today.

According to reports, a Peruvian prison informant told police the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, 23-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, had confessed the terrible truth to him while he was holed up in the country's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail.
Van der Sloot, who is awaiting trial for the brutal murder of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores, also allegedly used a laptop to email a friend the gruesome details of Natalee's 2005 murder.

 ::snipping2::

Talking to the publication, an investigative 'insider' said: 'Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused  to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him.
'He lost control and beat and strangled her , and came to his senses only when he discovered that she was almost dead.
'At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries.'

 ::snipping2::
I've always thought she was buried in a shallow grave on the island and then moved days later. I still believe the trap was the final place though.

I agree Wreck.  I think they found the early shallow gravesite and she was removed from it by Daddy dearest.

Hi everyone -

I'm sure Klaas remembers the exact name of the graveyard/church so closeby to the Sloot's residence. Dutchlady felt sure that the tombs there were a possible hiding place for Natalee's body and that no search would occur because it's considered hallowed ground.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 13, 2011, 11:54:39 PM

Triumph Over Devastation

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 219/220:
In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  It gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.  I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them to do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It is not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing  not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.

+++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2011, 12:09:06 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376529/Is-Natalee-Holloway-buried-ina-tomb-New-evidence-mystery-death-teenage-beauty.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Is Natalee Holloway buried in a  tomb? New lead in mystery of missing teenage beauty

The body of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway is hidden in an Aruban tomb, it was claimed today.

According to reports, a Peruvian prison informant told police the chief suspect in Natalee's disappearance, 23-year-old Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, had confessed the terrible truth to him while he was holed up in the country's notorious Miguel Castro Castro jail.
Van der Sloot, who is awaiting trial for the brutal murder of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores, also allegedly used a laptop to email a friend the gruesome details of Natalee's 2005 murder.

 ::snipping2::

Talking to the publication, an investigative 'insider' said: 'Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused  to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him.
'He lost control and beat and strangled her , and came to his senses only when he discovered that she was almost dead.
'At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries.'

 ::snipping2::
I've always thought she was buried in a shallow grave on the island and then moved days later. I still believe the trap was the final place though.

I agree Wreck.  I think they found the early shallow gravesite and she was removed from it by Daddy dearest.

Hi everyone -

I'm sure Klaas remembers the exact name of the graveyard/church so closeby to the Sloot's residence. Dutchlady felt sure that the tombs there were a possible hiding place for Natalee's body and that no search would occur because it's considered hallowed ground.

Pretty sure it was St. Anna church.  I have some google earth images I'll try and find.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2011, 12:12:28 AM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5268/5617803053_f9556216b0_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5618387892_f58595ae14_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5262/5617803069_42a5211a06_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 14, 2011, 12:33:39 AM
I used to think I had it all figured out and they had put Natalee in Jalista Wever's
crypt and put Jalista in the trap in the ocean, but when I saw Kyle's overview of
Natalee on the remains in the cage, I decided that all of my assumptions were wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 14, 2011, 12:56:17 AM
I used to think I had it all figured out and they had put Natalee in Jalista Wever's
crypt and put Jalista in the trap in the ocean, but when I saw Kyle's overview of
Natalee on the remains in the cage, I decided that all of my assumptions were wrong.
I couldn't rule that scenario out --- BUT, I DO think SOMEONE was in that trap ----- too much hinkiness about the whole Persistence episode! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2011, 01:16:00 AM
Looks like "Babalu" got beat up! 

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6587&Itemid=1

(http://www.bondia.com/images/stories/2011/APRIL%202011/13/13FRONT.JPG)

Papiamentu translation:

fair or inhusto?

wednesday, 13 april 2011 oranjestad – the potret here cu is refleha the dolor of one being human, but also the cry of one comunidad cu do not tolera more tanto insiguridad on we island. the conocido of police here, esta “babalu” owing to achieve one sota serious, y past owing to being let throw on caminda after cu they owing to atrape is steal in as ban cafe. 

::snipping2::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2011, 01:19:21 AM
I used to think I had it all figured out and they had put Natalee in Jalista Wever's
crypt and put Jalista in the trap in the ocean, but when I saw Kyle's overview of
Natalee on the remains in the cage, I decided that all of my assumptions were wrong.
I couldn't rule that scenario out --- BUT, I DO think SOMEONE was in that trap ----- too much hinkiness about the whole Persistence episode! 

Absolutely.  And I don't think it was a man with clothes so similar to Natalee's.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2011, 01:24:09 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2011, 01:25:22 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2011, 01:27:39 AM
Posted the pictures because I've got to call it a night...but please don't let that stop the conversation!

Good night everyone!   ::MonkeyCool::

Justice for Natalee and Stephany!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: nonesuche on April 14, 2011, 01:34:33 AM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5268/5617803053_f9556216b0_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5618387892_f58595ae14_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5262/5617803069_42a5211a06_o.jpg)


Thank you Klaas, as always you have all of the information at your fingertips.  ::MonkeyKiss::

I think that it's likely Natalee might have been moved on more than one occasion in this saga, I wasn't able to follow the activities and the secrets of the Persistence for I was traveling non-stop with work during that period of time. I just always felt that the proximity of St. Anna's along with those like Freddy having grown up in that church and served even as acolytes.........just seemed a very viable location to hide a body. Again, they knew that those crypts would never be searched. Food for thought......again it was dutchlady who developed that theory too.

I think it's a shame that Joran is stabbing others in prison and they aren't returning the favor to him. I sure wouldn't let that melon head stab me without a fight.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 14, 2011, 01:36:22 AM
I used to think I had it all figured out and they had put Natalee in Jalista Wever's
crypt and put Jalista in the trap in the ocean, but when I saw Kyle's overview of
Natalee on the remains in the cage, I decided that all of my assumptions were wrong.
I couldn't rule that scenario out --- BUT, I DO think SOMEONE was in that trap ----- too much hinkiness about the whole Persistence episode! 

Absolutely.  And I don't think it was a man with clothes so similar to Natalee's.  jmo

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


And clothes so like what Natalee was wearing would not be appropriate burial
attire for Jalista Wever.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Port Valerie on April 14, 2011, 01:37:45 AM
Just dropping by to see if this latest news story is being discussed. It is, so I'm happy. The only aspect that surprises me is that Joran is going into battle with men. I thought he would limit his violence to those who are weaker. I guess prison changes a monster.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: billb's daughter on April 14, 2011, 01:48:59 AM
Now that we know the brutality urine unleashed on Stephanie...
we know what he did to Natalee.....Stephany's murder just emphasizes what urine did.....
aruba knew he was a monster....and did nothing....
Agree she was buried in a shallow grave and then moved to the landfill where Red and Dave and tm tried to find her...but paulass and aruba govt/police/coverup crew kept moving Natalee and I believe she was in the cage......
I'm afraid Natalee's remains will never be found and brought home to rest...
I know....
paulass is dead!
urine is in Castro Castro and I hope.....
urine is walking dead and will never leave prison...
Dr Phil wins against k2 and they have to pay all fees.......and that means those that backed k2 are exposed and ultimately pay Dr Phil.....
cover up crew can swallow in the pit of aruba and tourism is dead.......
persistence crew that participated in the loss of Natalee's remains take that to their graves...... 
Peace and Happiness to Beth and Dave and families........ ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on April 14, 2011, 02:05:19 AM
I can see J trying to be a gang leader.  I keep thinking that one day, he'll meet up with a bigger, meaner bully than he is.  I would've suspected prison would hold such a person.  Maybe one day.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 14, 2011, 02:26:02 AM
I think this is how it all works down in Aruba

....
so it looks like they always try to get the funds into a private sector account,
which means it's not watched over anywhere near as closely..........


 REMEMBER HOW THE PROSECUTOR ZWINKEL WAS ACCUSED OF TAKING MONEY
Instead of funneling it through the Government books, it would be placed directly into a Marketing Fund. This would generate $6,3 million US, with which the private sector, namely the AHATA Accommodations Partners, will add an additional 1% increase to the AHATA fee - representing a 33% increase from 2% to 3%.

Smith declared that 80% of this amount would be placed in the Central Bank Superfund which will total another $5.25 million US. AHATA restaurants will contribute a 1% fee, totaling approximately 500K US and the Activities, Attractions & Transfers businesses will join with a 1%, amounting to 450K US; Car Rentals, the Airport and all other players will increase the amount in its totality to a whopping $12,6 million US, which can be directed towards pure advertising.


LOOKY LOOKY WHO IS BEHIND ALL THIS
While AHATA will still support existing infrastructure and payroll, the ATA will do its share to support infrastructure payroll and promotion, and in that way the island will enjoy DOUBLE the advertising budget, and eliminate cash flow issues in the process, taking advertising dollars out of the political process without the need to change ATA’s structure
 



READ THIS ARTICLE:


Parliament, the AHATA Chairman Ewald Biemans, Members of the AHATA Board of Directors, the Aruba Tourism Authority Director Myrna Jansen and her staff and many other valued members of AHATA and coalition partners from ATIA, ATSA as well as the Chamber of Commerce, and friends of the Aruba tourism industry to the Spring general assembly which unfolded at the Renaissance Convention Center.

Smith reported that over the past months he has been gathering input and preparing to address the assembly’s main theme which is as promised at November’s General Assembly, the creation of a public / private Marketing Fund, a plan which has been in the pipeline, in one form or the other, for at least 10 years.

In assuming his new role at AHATA, he explained, he went through his predecessors’ files, economic studies and strategic visions. He read growth projections and studies that warned of future challenges that Aruba as a destination and the industry would face as it grew. Some of the materials read by Smith dated back to 1983, and they are borderline prophetic and accurate, predictions the challenges the island is facing today.

At the same time, Smith explains it was disheartening that despite the accuracy of the projections, the depth and precision of the plans, and the sheer amount of work accomplished, that none of the proposals were ever brought to completion.

As a destination, he concluded, Aruba has essentially been having the same conversation for 25 years.

Concerned with the future of tourism on the island, Smith quoted the results of a study, shared with him by developer Eduardo’s De Veer who quoted interesting findings by Meta Corp in conjunction with Central Bureau of Statistics Aruba. The study showed that Gross National Product growth was tied more to revpar than to occupied rooms. The study illustrated that in years of supply growth without demand growth, discounting shrank revpar and despite an increase in rooms occupied Gross National Product stayed neutral to down. The moral of the study is that demand grows revpar and revpar grows Gross National Product. Naturally, advertising is what grows demand, Smith stated.

Based on the fact that 85% of those employed in Aruba are in or tied to tourism - a number that is the 3rd highest in the world, and based on the fact that 75 cents of every dollar starts or flows through the local tourism Industry - a number that is the 6th highest in the world, tourism, the source of our daily bread, obviously needs to be protected.

Aruba, Smith stated, has always been a model for private and public cooperation and in his view it is time to formalize the relationship between the tow in the form of a Super Marketing Fund

The groundwork for the fund proposed is in place, he stated, through the work of a 2006 task force comprised of Jorge Pesquera, Jaap Beaujon and Bill Carson. Instead of the never-implemented privatizing ATA Smith proposed to the General Assembly to privatize the island’s advertising funding, following the Curacao model in this case, and just like Curacao dedicate portions of the room tax to co-branded destination advertising by the private sector.

Smith reported that he is planning to request legislation that would provide for 2 points, or in other words 1/3 of the room tax collected would be placed directly in the Central Bank by the hotels.[/b]



REMEMBER HOW THE PROSECUTOR ZWINKEL WAS ACCUSED OF TAKING MONEY
Instead of funneling it through the Government books, it would be placed directly into a Marketing Fund. This would generate $6,3 million US, with which the private sector, namely the AHATA Accommodations Partners, will add an additional 1% increase to the AHATA fee - representing a 33% increase from 2% to 3%.

Smith declared that 80% of this amount would be placed in the Central Bank Superfund which will total another $5.25 million US. AHATA restaurants will contribute a 1% fee, totaling approximately 500K US and the Activities, Attractions & Transfers businesses will join with a 1%, amounting to 450K US; Car Rentals, the Airport and all other players will increase the amount in its totality to a whopping $12,6 million US, which can be directed towards pure advertising.



LOOKY LOOKY WHO IS BEHIND ALL THIS
While AHATA will still support existing infrastructure and payroll, the ATA will do its share to support infrastructure payroll and promotion, and in that way the island will enjoy DOUBLE the advertising budget, and eliminate cash flow issues in the process, taking advertising dollars out of the political process without the need to change ATA’s structure.

According to Smith’s plan, a Governance Structure would be set up with a 50 / 50 seats at the table made up of the Director of ATA + 3 members appointed by the Minister of Tourism, and the CEO of AHATA + 3 members appointed by The Board of Director of AHATA.


BACK TO THE FOLLOW THE MONEY = BANKS
Any deadlocks could be settled by a board of mediation made up of the Head of the Central Bank and two independent other members; one selected by each side and approved by the other in advance.

As a matter of fact, Smith revealed that high level meetings between the Government and AHATA have already taken place with general acceptance of a need for a revised structure of funding, achieved.

A Draft State Ordinance has already been drawn up and merely needs to be amended with recent changes. On his part, an AHATA Board of Directors resolution was passed in August 07’ to change the AHATA fee from 2% to 3% on 1/1/09, conditionally based on Government acceptance and participation.

Moreover, an Extra Ordinary General Manager meeting was held in September 07’ where the AHATA Board of Director resolution received the same conditional approval. All along, a review by the Director of ATA and initial talks of integration structure, have been held.

In describing the next step Smith promised further development meetings with ATA and the finalization of Operational Structure & Governance as well as formal presentation to the Council of Ministers, which will be hopefully followed by the Parliament approval and the January 1st 2009 implementation.

Another issue on Smith’ mind was the labor situation on the island. According to Smith the convergence of growth, the aging population & the new LTU immigration policy, jointly combine for a Perfect Storm on the Horizon. With 575 + open positions at the hotels only, 900 + construction positions open, 867 + tourism related positions open and 24 + projects either ongoing or in the pipeline within the next 12 months, a projected 5000 tourism related openings are a reality in the work market, in the next 3 years.

Smith voiced his concern that because of the LTU immigration law, 7000 permitted associates who will be concluding three years of employment on the island in 2009, will be forced to leave creating a shortfall of 13,000in tourism related labor force here.

Smith warned against the adverse effect of the labor shortage as corporate standards are compromised due to lack of staff and the increased OT leads to a drop in productivity while the already high percentage of “AO,” absenteeism increases further due to excessive burden on existing staff. Smith also predicts inflation from employment competition, and warns against associates adjusting their lifestyles based on overtime and secondary income. He laments associate being recruited out of tourism by the construction industry and regrets the fact that less qualified people are being hired for jobs above their skill set, what he nicknames ‘warm body syndrome.” Smith went on to caution against staff loosing passion for the industry, and the decline of customer satisfaction and even worse, customer defection, to other destination, compounded by an increase of social Issues with Turn Key Kids, being neglected by busy parents.



Author:
Rona Coster
Time:
Thursday, April 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
http://tinyurl.com/4y2tm8



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 14, 2011, 02:27:10 AM
April 14th - the day the Titanic sunk]/b]


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 14, 2011, 06:44:11 AM
The saga continues..........  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Joran has "raged" on the wrong crowd this time. He hasn't paid the price yet, but he's way, way overdue and the day of reckoning is assured.

I have to believe and I do believe that something in this winding road will lead to Natalee so that Beth can bring what remains there are, home. Against all logic, I believe that.

Joran is utterly evil. Aruba remains a spawning ground for evil to thrive.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: KittyMom on April 14, 2011, 08:52:45 AM
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/14444453/van-der-sloot-accused-of-violent-crimes-in-peruvian-jail

Van der Sloot accused of violent crimes in Peruvian jail

Quote
The magazine also alleges that van der Sloot is now addicted to drugs and has been put in solitary confinement.

If only this 'solitary confinement' consisted of a dark, cold cave.  You know,...a sort of tomb.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 14, 2011, 09:30:06 AM
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/14444453/van-der-sloot-accused-of-violent-crimes-in-peruvian-jail

Van der Sloot accused of violent crimes in Peruvian jail

Quote
The magazine also alleges that van der Sloot is now addicted to drugs and has been put in solitary confinement.

If only this 'solitary confinement' consisted of a dark, cold cave.  You know,...a sort of tomb.
Solitary confinement is not a punishment for Joran ---- it's a life saver.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 14, 2011, 09:31:28 AM
The saga continues..........  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Joran has "raged" on the wrong crowd this time. He hasn't paid the price yet, but he's way, way overdue and the day of reckoning is assured.

I have to believe and I do believe that something in this winding road will lead to Natalee so that Beth can bring what remains there are, home. Against all logic, I believe that.

Joran is utterly evil. Aruba remains a spawning ground for evil to thrive.

I do not condone violence, and even feel bad for those inmates that faced his wrath,  but his misery is Sweet Justice and may only be what we ever see.  I don't believe he'll ever see the outside of those walls, especially with new charges I assume.  If he is using and addicted that much more to drugs, and probably either really good (location and type) stuff, or bad stuff, plus add solitary confinement,  it's worsening his psychosis.  He's going to continue to deteriorate unless he's killed by other inmates/guards first.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on April 14, 2011, 09:37:23 AM
CBB,  I didn't mention that I do agree with you about Beth, but I believe she has accepted it in her heart through God and able to help other you women.  God always has a reason for everything, thought may not understand.  Maybe by Beth doing her lectures, imagine how many other young girls have been saved?!  If that is so, then Natalee is looking down, proud and in peace, knowing how special her mother is.

Joran is literally rotting in jail.  That is SOME justice, if nothing else.  The world is just a little safer.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2011, 10:43:57 AM
Moved to Thursday April 14, 2011:   ::MonkeyGavel::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/5614434043_c2c0f88dbb_b.jpg)



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2011, 10:52:08 AM
CBB,  I didn't mention that I do agree with you about Beth, but I believe she has accepted it in her heart through God and able to help other you women.  God always has a reason for everything, thought may not understand.  Maybe by Beth doing her lectures, imagine how many other young girls have been saved?!  If that is so, then Natalee is looking down, proud and in peace, knowing how special her mother is.

Joran is literally rotting in jail.  That is SOME justice, if nothing else.  The world is just a little safer.

My Pledge

Page 200:
  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.  I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

++++

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway

Publisher: Thomas Nelson Publishers-Business (Mar 15 2006)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1595550631
ISBN-13: 978-1595550637


LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH

By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 14, 2011, 11:13:02 AM
Hiya, Tink!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I know. There is finally some justice, even now with Joran being in jail. He doesn't like it and according to one article, seems that he misses Santa Claus at Christmas.   :roll:

Beth has more dignity and determination than any woman I think I've ever known of. I admire her more than I can express. You're right; she has things in proper perspective and I don't believe she is "haunted" anymore, but I do believe she will maintain her determination as long as she lives. She told Joran as much when she visited him in jail. I was really struck by that visit. Because she could sit across from him without scratching his eyes out, I knew she had reached a balance of inner peace. Joran was the one that had the "about face" when he was face to face with her. For all of his hatred of Beth, he showed himself to be a coward when confronted by her. She had no need. She treated him with the dignity that she deals with all things Natalee, and quietly reminded him that she would be there again if he were to be jailed 40 years from now. She wasn't going away as long as she lived.

It isn't really because Beth won't rest if she is never able to bring Natalee home. For me, it's more a "cosmic justice" in the face of what Joran, Paulus, K2 and Aruba did to thwart her. So much was done that was evil, dishonest, in secret, and by man's devices to keep Beth's purely driven objective to be met. I just don't think that's meant to stand. I don't think it will stand. This thread is and always will be my "best loved" at the SM family because you guys, whether you'd put it that way or not, are part of not letting it stand.

Have you ever seen one broken hearted Mother come up against so much? Everytime it looks like this has ended and that things will just fade as they are left, something happens. I believe it's a path toward an end, and I believe Beth has not gone unnoticed by this world or in the heavens. JMHO.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 14, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Joran Van Der Sloot's Attorney: 'I'm Suing Over Stabbing Story'

The attorney for accused killer Joran van der Sloot -- implicated in both the murder of Stephany Ramirez Flores and the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway -- exclusively tells RadarOnline.com that he's planning to sue a Dutch magazine that published a story that the jailed Dutchman stabbed three fellow inmates in Lima, Peru.

 ::snipping2::

"Whoever is releasing these reports is trying to paint Joran as 'a monster' because of things that happened in the past but it is not true."

 ::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/04/joran-van-der-sloots-attorney-im-suing-over-stabbing-story


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 14, 2011, 03:19:58 PM

Van der Sloot ‘hid Natalee body in coffin’


One of the most celebrated crimes in America could be a step closer to being solved after reports that the prime suspect in the disappearance of teenager Natalee Holloway had admitted killing her and hiding her body in a coffin - alongside the corpse of another man - on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/77746,people,news,murder-suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-hid-natalee-holloway-body-in-coffin-in-aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2011, 03:25:17 PM
Does the following imply that the judge deemed that the "defamation" lawsuit has merit and was not dismissed?

I'm so confused.

Janet

++++++


resigned Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:59 pm

future hearing -

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

Source: RU


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 14, 2011, 03:25:30 PM
INPE denies that Joran Van der Sloot has stabbed two inmates

 The murderer's lawyer said Stephany Flores sue the Dutch half the information published

 Information published by the Dutch magazine "Panorama" about that Joran van der Sloot had stabbed two inmates in a fight inside of the Miguel Castro Castro was denied today by the INPE.

 ::snipping2::

http://elcomercio.pe/lima/742855/noticia-inpe-desmiente-que-joran-van-der-sloot-haya-apunalado-dos-presos


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 14, 2011, 03:30:26 PM
"The story published in Panorama does not hold true if you Sloot"

 LIMA (ANP) - The story published in the Dutch magazine Panorama on the involvement of a Dutch citizen, Joran van der Sloot, in a fight where he finished stabbing two inmates is totally fallacious.

 This was stated by his lawyer Max Altez. "He contrasted the information with the Director of Prisons and everything is a fabrication, " said the lawyer, adding that "behind the information they hide bad intentions in order to harm Joran. On the contrary, my client wants to change his life and even go to church. "

 ::snipping2::

http://www.rnw.nl/espanol/bulletin/la-historia-publicada-en-panorama-no-se-ajusta-a-la-verdad-en-caso-de-vd-sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2011, 03:35:02 PM
Does the following imply that the judge deemed that the "defamation" lawsuit has merit and was not dismissed?

I'm so confused.

Janet

++++++


resigned Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:59 pm

future hearing -

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

Source: RU


What is a "Motion to Compel"?  The hearing was not scheduled.

Janet

+++++

Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2011, 05:32:29 PM
MOTION TO COMPEL

What motion to compel means?
In: Civil Process, Civil Cases

 
A Motion to Compel is filed by a party seeking information from another party or non-party to a pending lawsuit. The motion essentially asks a judge to require the other party to provide information or documents to the party who filed the motion.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_motion_to_compel_means
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_motion_to_compel_means#ixzz1JXF08cnA


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 14, 2011, 06:02:53 PM
Hiya, Tink!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I know. There is finally some justice, even now with Joran being in jail. He doesn't like it and according to one article, seems that he misses Santa Claus at Christmas.   :roll:

Beth has more dignity and determination than any woman I think I've ever known of. I admire her more than I can express. You're right; she has things in proper perspective and I don't believe she is "haunted" anymore, but I do believe she will maintain her determination as long as she lives. She told Joran as much when she visited him in jail. I was really struck by that visit. Because she could sit across from him without scratching his eyes out, I knew she had reached a balance of inner peace. Joran was the one that had the "about face" when he was face to face with her. For all of his hatred of Beth, he showed himself to be a coward when confronted by her. She had no need. She treated him with the dignity that she deals with all things Natalee, and quietly reminded him that she would be there again if he were to be jailed 40 years from now. She wasn't going away as long as she lived.

It isn't really because Beth won't rest if she is never able to bring Natalee home. For me, it's more a "cosmic justice" in the face of what Joran, Paulus, K2 and Aruba did to thwart her. So much was done that was evil, dishonest, in secret, and by man's devices to keep Beth's purely driven objective to be met. I just don't think that's meant to stand. I don't think it will stand. This thread is and always will be my "best loved" at the SM family because you guys, whether you'd put it that way or not, are part of not letting it stand.

Have you ever seen one broken hearted Mother come up against so much? Everytime it looks like this has ended and that things will just fade as they are left, something happens. I believe it's a path toward an end, and I believe Beth has not gone unnoticed by this world or in the heavens. JMHO.

I needed to read this several times because it is so beautiful and it is so true.  Thanks, CBB, for the reminder of Beth and Natalee in a world that is too full of Joran.

Love you!

 ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 14, 2011, 06:34:28 PM
Hiya, Tink!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I know. There is finally some justice, even now with Joran being in jail. He doesn't like it and according to one article, seems that he misses Santa Claus at Christmas.   :roll:

Beth has more dignity and determination than any woman I think I've ever known of. I admire her more than I can express. You're right; she has things in proper perspective and I don't believe she is "haunted" anymore, but I do believe she will maintain her determination as long as she lives. She told Joran as much when she visited him in jail. I was really struck by that visit. Because she could sit across from him without scratching his eyes out, I knew she had reached a balance of inner peace. Joran was the one that had the "about face" when he was face to face with her. For all of his hatred of Beth, he showed himself to be a coward when confronted by her. She had no need. She treated him with the dignity that she deals with all things Natalee, and quietly reminded him that she would be there again if he were to be jailed 40 years from now. She wasn't going away as long as she lived.

It isn't really because Beth won't rest if she is never able to bring Natalee home. For me, it's more a "cosmic justice" in the face of what Joran, Paulus, K2 and Aruba did to thwart her. So much was done that was evil, dishonest, in secret, and by man's devices to keep Beth's purely driven objective to be met. I just don't think that's meant to stand. I don't think it will stand. This thread is and always will be my "best loved" at the SM family because you guys, whether you'd put it that way or not, are part of not letting it stand.

Have you ever seen one broken hearted Mother come up against so much? Everytime it looks like this has ended and that things will just fade as they are left, something happens. I believe it's a path toward an end, and I believe Beth has not gone unnoticed by this world or in the heavens. JMHO.

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189
:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2011, 06:35:05 PM
Going thru an old photobucket  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranRun2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 14, 2011, 06:37:15 PM
Going thru an old photobucket  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranRun2.gif)

 ::MonkeyCool::  Do you have Part 2?   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2011, 06:37:44 PM
More oldies but goodies

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaChainGang.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 14, 2011, 06:40:07 PM
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJo1-E7GxyxAU8fOZ1CFxv3Qq2rWhtNZ9aBKokAGR2ierbgusH)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2011, 06:48:31 PM
oops, wrong one...SORRY

Sorry about the false alarm.  I plugged in the wrong case number.  Nothing new to report in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil, no decision posted yet on todays Summary Judgement hearing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 14, 2011, 06:51:14 PM
oops, wrong one...SORRY


????? I thought we already knew that. What about the Kalpoe vs dr. Phil case?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 14, 2011, 06:51:49 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2011, 06:52:46 PM
Wreck - I couldn't believe my eyes, didn't realize I plugged in the wrong case number.  DUH me. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 14, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
Wreck - I couldn't believe my eyes, didn't realize I plugged in the wrong case number.  DUH me. 
Well....... I enjoyed the enthusiasm!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 14, 2011, 10:28:05 PM
so ... any word through the grapevine on what transpired today??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 14, 2011, 10:46:54 PM
I love the old PhotoBucket trips back down memory lane.
The little police car with Dompig driving, the Pink Thingie, the penguins with Beth and Joran's faces on them and Beth slaps the Joran faced penguin into the water.
A good laff is sometimes needed. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 14, 2011, 11:20:46 PM
I love the old PhotoBucket trips back down memory lane.
The little police car with Dompig driving, the Pink Thingie, the penguins with Beth and Joran's faces on them and Beth slaps the Joran faced penguin into the water.
A good laff is sometimes needed. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 12:37:49 AM
so ... any word through the grapevine on what transpired today??

Nope, not that I've seen.  I suppose it's entirely possible that the judge just hasn't made his decision yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 12:39:35 AM
I still wonder what church this was at.  Was it St. Anne's?

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/locomanfreddy-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 12:40:11 AM
Just for you Kat_Gram  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/spiderweb3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 12:41:39 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/squadcardanajoran.gif)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/bus4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 12:42:28 AM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/rubenchicken-1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 15, 2011, 01:09:39 AM
I still wonder what church this was at.  Was it St. Anne's?

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/locomanfreddy-1.jpg)
I don't really know, but if I recall correctly (and I probably don't  ::MonkeyDevil::) -- it seems like St. Anne's sat "isolated" sort of. There appears to be a building very close next door you can see through the window.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2011, 01:32:14 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 15, 2011, 09:16:54 AM
I still wonder what church this was at.  Was it St. Anne's?

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/locomanfreddy-1.jpg)
I don't really know, but if I recall correctly (and I probably don't  ::MonkeyDevil::) -- it seems like St. Anne's sat "isolated" sort of. There appears to be a building very close next door you can see through the window.
Always nice to be flashing gang signs in a church.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 15, 2011, 09:37:56 AM
I love the old PhotoBucket trips back down memory lane.
The little police car with Dompig driving, the Pink Thingie, the penguins with Beth and Joran's faces on them and Beth slaps the Joran faced penguin into the water.
A good laff is sometimes needed. 

Did someone mention pink thingie?   ::MonkeyTongue::  I knew I still had that. LOL

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/SeeDickJK2Run.gif)

Another one I found too,..

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/PVDScartoon1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 15, 2011, 10:51:23 AM


Light a candle for Natalee:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Say some prayers for Stephany and 2NJ too, please.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2011, 10:56:47 AM

resigned Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:59 pm

future hearing -

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

Source: RU


Klaas

Is the above related to yesterday's Summary Judgement hearing?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 15, 2011, 11:47:21 AM
I love the old PhotoBucket trips back down memory lane.
The little police car with Dompig driving,
 the penguins with Beth and Joran's faces on them and Beth slaps the Joran faced penguin into the water.
A good laff is sometimes needed. 

Did someone mention pink thingie?   
::MonkeyTongue::  I knew I still had that. LOL

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/SeeDickJK2Run.gif)

Another one I found too,..

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/PVDScartoon1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Thanks for the "pink thingie" pic, Angie!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 15, 2011, 12:44:19 PM
Accused Murderer Joran Van Der Sloot Laughs Off Report He Stabbed Fellow Inmates

Joran van der Sloot burst out laughing after he heard about stories claiming he stabbed three fellow inmates at the Castro Castro Prison in Peru, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

The 25-year-old Dutchman was told about the reported incident by his lawyer Maximo Altez Navarro during a visit to the prison Thursday.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/04/accused-murderer-joran-van-der-sloot-laughs-report-he-stabbed-fellow-inmates


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 15, 2011, 02:10:54 PM
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/squadcardanajoran.gif)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/bus4.gif)

Lmao Klaas...love these too. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2011, 02:56:11 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6341:start-meldpunt-en-campagne-mensenhandel&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Start hotline and trafficking campaign

Wednesday, 15 April 2011 5:26 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - "Open your eyes," the company information and awareness campaign launched by the government to better address trafficking. Moreover, the reporting number 592-3231 open 24 hours a day where people suspected trafficking cases to report. In the coming weeks, the government also hang up posters and distributing leaflets to inform people better. For many this is still unknown and the government knows at this time how big the problem in Aruba.

But that trafficking occurs here is reality, says Jeanette Richardson, national coordinator Trafficking and smuggling. With the ongoing case Foxy Lady Aruba has its second ever human trafficking case. A conviction for trafficking has never occurred since the 2006 act is punishable here, says Richardson. At this time will be mapped out what risk there, so for example the sex, escort services, the construction industry and supermarkets. But to truly know the extent of human trafficking, according to Richardson, this is more research. It is not easy because trafficking victims are often afraid and therefore do not report. The campaign, the government therefore calls on the community to report suspicious activities. Richardson gives the example maid almost never free, and looks bad. Whether the so-called 'animeermeisjes in San Nicolas or construction workers who spend long hours running. "We see them, but we see them really," the national coordinator.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2011, 03:01:42 PM
her body in a coffin - alongside the corpse of another man - on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

The Neck Tie guy?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 04:28:56 PM

resigned Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:59 pm

future hearing -

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

Source: RU


Klaas

Is the above related to yesterday's Summary Judgement hearing?

Janet

NO, that is pertaining to a Motion to Compel evidence that was filed and hearing set prior to the Summary Judgement hearing.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 04:30:59 PM
I just checked and there is still no decision posted regarding the SUMMARY JUDGEMENT which was heard yesterday.  I find it often takes them a few days to update and post documents.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2011, 05:01:16 PM

resigned Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:59 pm

future hearing -

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

Source: RU


Klaas

Is the above related to yesterday's Summary Judgement hearing?

Janet

NO, that is pertaining to a Motion to Compel evidence that was filed and hearing set prior to the Summary Judgement hearing.

Thanks Klaas.

Considering the May 11th Motion to Compel was not listed on the sheduled hearings that you posted ... I thought maybe it may have been an outcome of the April 14th Summary Judgement hearing.

Nevertheless ... I assumed that reporters would have been waiting outside the courtroom on April 14th competing for the "Breaking News".

Janet

+++++

Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on April 15, 2011, 05:23:07 PM
I love the old PhotoBucket trips back down memory lane.
The little police car with Dompig driving,
 the penguins with Beth and Joran's faces on them and Beth slaps the Joran faced penguin into the water.
A good laff is sometimes needed. 

Did someone mention pink thingie?   
::MonkeyTongue::  I knew I still had that. LOL

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/SeeDickJK2Run.gif)

Another one I found too,..

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Angiex911dsptchr/PVDScartoon1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Thanks for the "pink thingie" pic, Angie!   ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyCool:: I couldn't help but post it !  Some newer posters may have never seen it before.  :)  I don't remember who made it wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back when? Was it Klass?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 05:26:06 PM
You or HannieK posted the original one.  I think it was you.  Then I put the faces on it, lolol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2011, 05:28:11 PM

resigned Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:59 pm

future hearing -

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

Source: RU


Klaas

Is the above related to yesterday's Summary Judgement hearing?

Janet

NO, that is pertaining to a Motion to Compel evidence that was filed and hearing set prior to the Summary Judgement hearing.

Thanks Klaas.

Considering the May 11th Motion to Compel was not listed on the sheduled hearings that you posted ... I thought maybe it may have been an outcome of the April 14th Summary Judgement hearing.

Nevertheless ... I assumed that reporters would have been waiting outside the courtroom on April 14th competing for the "Breaking News".

Janet

+++++

Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

Janet
- it is likely the judge listened to everything in the hearing and said he would review it all and give his answer at a later date which I expect would be done quickly.  Thus the reporters waiting for info wouldn't have anything to report on yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on April 15, 2011, 05:48:21 PM
Pink Thingie, at work, me starts laffing like a loon.
Peeps look at me, I keep laffing.
Ah, the weekend. ! !
We need a pink thingie here at my work, have a great Friday Nite everyone. 
Thank you Angie !  I'm off for home.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2011, 05:50:23 PM
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2011, 06:12:17 PM
Thank Klaas.

I know that you and others want this lawsuit to go to trial but ... I am very uneasy.

Other than the Kay Skeeters' portion of the defamation lawsuit ... the court has ruled against every motion that Phil McGraw's attorneys have filed.

Over a four year period the lawsuit has not been thrown out despite the inability or refusal of the plaintiffs to comply with court requests/deadlines.  Why?

Kay Skeeters?  The court may have determined that there was insufficient evidence to implicate her husband in any wrongdoing encompassing the recording but ... in the end Kay/McGraw was left holding the bag in regards to $127,000 in legal costs.

At this point in time I would be satisfied if the court ruled on yesterday's Summary Judgement hearing:

"CASE DISMISSED"!  "HISTORY IMPLIES THAT DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE CANNOT BE DEFAMED"!

Janet

+++++


Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


<snipped>

A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2011, 06:23:47 PM
Giving the plaintiffs the benefit of the doubt ... it could be that the ongoing so-called Aruban investigation implied that Natalee Holloway case documents could not be released if requested by the defendants in the defamation lawsuit.  However ... considering the court was aware of the plaintiffs' position regarding this issue ... why was the lawsuit not dismissed by the court until compliance was possible?

Janet

+++++   

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html



STILL SUSPECTS in Holloway case

(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8063/16490008.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2011, 06:46:16 PM
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - ANOTHER CONFESSION

An Above the Ground Tomb?


Klaas
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10
« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2010, 06:38:39 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7363.msg1123137#msg1123137


Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?
April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT


<snipped>

Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb  and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.

<snipped>

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 15, 2011, 07:01:09 PM
CBB,  I didn't mention that I do agree with you about Beth, but I believe she has accepted it in her heart through God and able to help other you women.  God always has a reason for everything, thought may not understand.  Maybe by Beth doing her lectures, imagine how many other young girls have been saved?!  If that is so, then Natalee is looking down, proud and in peace, knowing how special her mother is.

Joran is literally rotting in jail.  That is SOME justice, if nothing else.  The world is just a little safer.

I agree!  Also ... whenever Beth has a speaking engagement ... those in attendance will be reminded that a corrupt Aruban investigation denied and continues to deny her missing daughter the justice she is entitled to under Dutch law.

Janet

++++++

Everytime She Speaks

NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET


JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FAMILY:  Well, I`ll tell you, Holly, one thing, you know, Beth -- and of course it`s heartbreaking for her too, I know. And -- but Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2011, 07:19:31 PM
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::



Well if he did this I think it would be easy to see all that died in Aruba in the weeks after Natalee  went missing and who was buried in an above the ground tomb


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2011, 07:43:57 PM
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::


Link no longer works.

Uhm up until now there hasn't been any more person detained.Maybe that was a news mixup.Today Mr Lejuez (not sure who he is representing)adressed a local radio with some other facts.Or potential facts may I say.
Supposedly Joran van der Sloot was crying in his cell where he is held. And he started talking to Jones(one of the security Guards who is also still held).He said that he thinks that the Kalpoe bro's might be up to something.HE added that it seemed as if they are trying to make it seem like he killed Ms Holloway.So he decided to "confess".He said that the Kalpoe brothers dropped him off FIRST.At the goobyes he exchanged email information with Ms Holloway and then he got out of the car.Came monday , they decided to tell the police that all 3 of them dropped Ms NAtalee , and invented the entire 2 security guard story.
My question: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ? Now you want to "confess" again? And without telling a reason WHY the 3 of you had decided to come up with a story?You're all guilty..this is guilty behavior.
But the biggest rumor is this; Joran did get out of the car with Ms Natalee(at the lighthouse/arashi beach)...Accidentaly she stumbled at the beach..She fell on rocks where she hit her head pretty hard.And since then passed out.THey dropped her off a far distance from the Holiday Inn.BUt as guilty as they felt came back a few minutes later to check on her.She was still in the same position as when she was dropped off.Then they discovered she still had no pulse and supposed she turned ice cold and purple.SO they all panicked , took her back in the car , and started to plan what to do.
That is how much i know of this 'rumor'.
This is sooo sickening.These guys SHOULD be pressured MUCH harder ..Make them soob so hard they can't even think straight ,so they confess to this.
I believe the rumor.This is a shame , as for I am born and raised on this lovely island. And it makes me sick ! This is unfair , no matter how drunk this girl was.It's utter and completely wrong.
May god rest Natalee's soul..
58. Posted by AuA82 | June 13, 2005 4:44 PM

A little truth...Natalee slapped him...he went crazy and his father is the one that returned with him??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2011, 07:45:58 PM
http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6341:start-meldpunt-en-campagne-mensenhandel&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Start hotline and trafficking campaign

Wednesday, 15 April 2011 5:26 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - "Open your eyes," the company information and awareness campaign launched by the government to better address trafficking. Moreover, the reporting number 592-3231 open 24 hours a day where people suspected trafficking cases to report. In the coming weeks, the government also hang up posters and distributing leaflets to inform people better. For many this is still unknown and the government knows at this time how big the problem in Aruba.

But that trafficking occurs here is reality, says Jeanette Richardson, national coordinator Trafficking and smuggling. With the ongoing case Foxy Lady Aruba has its second ever human trafficking case. A conviction for trafficking has never occurred since the 2006 act is punishable here, says Richardson. At this time will be mapped out what risk there, so for example the sex, escort services, the construction industry and supermarkets. But to truly know the extent of human trafficking, according to Richardson, this is more research. It is not easy because trafficking victims are often afraid and therefore do not report. The campaign, the government therefore calls on the community to report suspicious activities. Richardson gives the example maid almost never free, and looks bad. Whether the so-called 'animeermeisjes in San Nicolas or construction workers who spend long hours running. "We see them, but we see them really," the national coordinator.
 ::snipping2::

The same reason there are no murders, no child molestings and no problems, on the happy island.  No one is prosecuted much less convicted and the victims are revictimized or know better than to talk.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 12:21:32 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 11:43:47 AM
In the Range Rover "confession" of January, 2008 ... Joran tells Patrick Vander Eem that his father had no involvement in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.  However ... since his father's death ... two "confessions" (extortion/crypt) have now emerged where Joran does implicate Paulus and ... another "confession" (human trafficking) implies that Paulus had knowledge.

Janet

++++++

A Smidgen of Truth

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »


I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


The Story Changed

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 21
updated 3/22/2006 11:28:13 AM ET

 
<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it  about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.

<snipped>
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Face to Face with Paulus

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 151:
  Pulling a couple of prayer bracelets out of my pocket, I offer them to the van der Sloots.  First I tie one on Anita’s arm, then ask  Paulus if he would like one.  He lifts his clench-fisted arm, shaking as if he has Parkinson’s disease, and tries very hard to hold it up.  What a pathetic form of a man he is, I think – a very different person from the one who stood so brazenly in his front yard in the wee hours that first morning, facing down Aruban police and our men from home.  I take my time tying the bracelet, very, very slowly, and explain the meaning of the three cords of yarn.

“Paulus, this bracelet stands for a Bible verse.  It’s Ecclesiastes 4:12.  “Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.  A cord of three stands is not quickly broken.””  I finish the tying and gently pat the knot.  “There you go.”

And right then the bracelet looks different to me.  I see the three cords as the suspects, and the knot as the end holding them together as Paulus.  It’s not just clear – it’s crystal clear.   There are potentially four people who know what happened to Natalee.  We need the knot to come loose and the three to unravel.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Buckeye on April 16, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)
-------------

 04/14/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Submitted


04/12/2011 Notice of Lodging
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 :smt102 :smt102

I have no idea what this all means.  I'm hoping the Motion to Compel is making the Kalpoes reveal who is backing them so Dr. Phil can take them to the cleaners.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 02:05:36 PM
If Joran's latest alleged confession to a "Peruvian prison informant" is a reality ... the confession that implicates Paulus in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... I can only assume that a retraction will be forthcoming.

Janet

++++

CONFESSIONS - RETRACTIONS

Paulus' Involvement - The Extortion "Confession"

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.   

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


Paulus' Involvment - The Human Trafficking "Confession"

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry.  Joran said he lied to us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Paulus' Non-Involvement - The Range Rover "Confession"

Report: Van Der Sloot Says He Lied About Holloway
February 1, 2008


But in a new development, van der Sloot now says that he was lying when he privately told an acquaintance that he was involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"It is true I told someone. Everybody will see it Sunday," Van der Sloot said on the Dutch television show "Pauw & Witteman," according to The Associated Press.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," Van der Sloot said, adding that he never fully trusted the man to whom he'd confessed.

"It is so stupid, it is so stupid, it is really stupid," Van der Sloot said, his voice cracking, the AP reported.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4235362&page=1



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 02:20:01 PM
MOTION TO COMPEL

What motion to compel means?
In: Civil Process, Civil Cases

 
A Motion to Compel is filed by a party seeking information from another party or non-party to a pending lawsuit. The motion essentially asks a judge to require the other party to provide information or documents to the party who filed the motion.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_motion_to_compel_means
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_motion_to_compel_means#ixzz1JXF08cnA

Is disclosure of those financially backing plaintiffs a legal right in a civil lawsuit?

Anyways ... the Motion to Compel may be a non-issue if the court's ruling of Summary Judgment motion implies that the Defamation Lawsuit is dismissed.

Janet

++++


Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 03:00:11 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)
-------------

 04/14/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Submitted


04/12/2011 Notice of Lodging
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 :smt102 :smt102

I have no idea what this all means.  I'm hoping the Motion to Compel is making the Kalpoes reveal who is backing them so Dr. Phil can take them to the cleaners.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Not sure if this applies here, but I was wondering what the "Notice of Lodging" meant so I looked around a little...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_notice_of_lodging_order

What is notice of lodging order?
In: Civil Lawsuits, Court Procedure, Contract Law [Edit categories]


To answer your question simply, it's the filing of the final documents to the court in regards to your case. Like the saying goes "lodging a complaint" you are "lodging your documents" with the court. The opposing party than has a certain time to respond usually 10 days otherwise within about 4 weeks the order becomes official and signed by judge.
Note: There are comments associated with this question. See the discussion page to add to the conversation.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_notice_of_lodging_order#ixzz1JiKP9X8Z


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
The current National Enquirer dated 4/25/2011:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/5625332726_afb8c1fcea_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5625332622_6a0467a90d_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on April 16, 2011, 03:14:22 PM
Thanks for posting the article, Klaas. I read it in line at the grocery store a few days ago, but it's nice to be able to take my time!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 03:53:46 PM
Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 16, 2011, 03:58:09 PM
Thanks, Klaas.

The "...almost a diary of his crimes," statement in the article in the National Enquirer of 4-25-2011 reminded me of an article by profiler, John Douglas.

http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/articles/030213.php

Why Killers Take Trophies
Reliving the Crime Extends the Fantasy


 ::snipping2::

Follow press coverage closely

They'll follow the case very closely and keep newspaper clips of their crimes. This is helpful to the investigator -- something you want to look for when you initiate a search warrant.

Assassins are notorious for keeping news clips. Assassin-type personalities will also keep diaries. The disorganized type of criminal -- that's the asocial type, the loners, the weird -- will keep diaries because they have trouble communicating with others so they feel much more comfortable writing out their thoughts, plans, goals or fantasies. Sirhan Sirhan, who gunned down Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, and Arthur Bremer, the would-be assassin who shot and paralyzed Alabama's then-Gov. George Wallace, kept diaries describing the fantasies they wanted to act out.

It's like in the Wild West, where they used to cut notches in a gun. The whole thing seems like it's relived. It's fantasy, but it never ends. It doesn't even end when you incarcerate the killers.



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2011, 04:11:31 PM
It kind of make sense because of his temper and because he was so confident they wouldn't find her in the water JMO
Who died that week



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 04:18:18 PM
If Joran's latest alleged confession to a "Peruvian prison informant" is a reality ... the confession that implicates Paulus in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... I can only assume that a retraction will be forthcoming.

Janet

++++

CONFESSIONS - RETRACTIONS

Paulus' Involvement - The Extortion "Confession"

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


<snipped>

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.   

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


Paulus' Involvment - The Human Trafficking "Confession"

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry.  Joran said he lied to us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Paulus' Non-Involvement - The Range Rover "Confession"

Report: Van Der Sloot Says He Lied About Holloway
February 1, 2008


But in a new development, van der Sloot now says that he was lying when he privately told an acquaintance that he was involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"It is true I told someone. Everybody will see it Sunday," Van der Sloot said on the Dutch television show "Pauw & Witteman," according to The Associated Press.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," Van der Sloot said, adding that he never fully trusted the man to whom he'd confessed.

"It is so stupid, it is so stupid, it is really stupid," Van der Sloot said, his voice cracking, the AP reported.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4235362&page=1




THE INVOLVEMENT OF PAULUS - ACCORDING TO JORAN'S CHANGING STORIES

1.  January 2008

The Range Rover Recording

<snipped>

PATRICK: But your father and mother also know nothing?

JORAN: No.

<snipped>

JORAN: Yeah, but as my father said: if he ever thought that I knew anything, or knew more then he would be the first one to take me to the police.

<snipped>

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem


November 2008

Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record' with New Natalee Holloway Story
Tuesday, November 25, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST:  Joran contacted us, claiming he wanted to tell us the truth about what happened that night. He produced as evidence three telephone conversations saved on a digital chip. Joran claims the recordings are conversations between his father and him. If authentic, the recording suggest that Joran told his father what happened to Natalee.

<snipped> 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457144,00.html


Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: You heard Joran van der Sloot say on tape that he sold Natalee Holloway and that he told his father about it. Now, according to Joran, there is a recording of Joran and his father talking about it. Now, we have that recording. You will hear that recording shortly.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


November 2010

Deadly Connection?
NBC News
updated 6/11/2010 9:03:58 PM ET


But Kelly says he played along and van der Sloot told him he hid the body on the beach with the help of his father who, the following day, buried the body.

CHRIS HANSEN: He implicated his own father in the disposal of the body?

JOHN KELLY: Along with himself, yeah

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37650865/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/


April 2011

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?
April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT


<snipped>

Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb  and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.

<snipped>

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 04:25:16 PM
The current National Enquirer dated 4/25/2011:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/5625332726_afb8c1fcea_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5625332622_6a0467a90d_b.jpg)

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2011, 04:25:50 PM
It kind of make sense because of his temper and because he was so confident they wouldn't find her in the water JMO
Who died that week



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2805.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9456.msg1327271#msg1327271


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2011, 04:27:30 PM
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::



Well if he did this I think it would be easy to see all that died in Aruba in the weeks after Natalee  went missing and who was buried in an above the ground tomb


We have been looking at all that since day one.  I posted the link above in a prev post.  It is my understanding that everyone that is buried in Aruba is buried in an above ground tomb/crypt.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 05:31:26 PM
Is it possible that the unnamed "Peruvian prison informant" National Enquirer source be Caps or one of his/their adherences whose ongoing mission has been to distract from the Persistence find ... the Persistence find which may have been the remains of Natalee Holloway ... the Persistence find that was afforded unchallenged to the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban enemy who has embraced an agenda since May 30, 2005 to prevent justice from prevailing?

One of Caps' theories implied that Natalee was hidden on of Aruba's cemeteries inside a "Kelder".

Janet

++++

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating
Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


71. Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm

<snipped>

The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.

And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.

TEST LOGIG SENARIO 1:

In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two ways.

1. In the grounds. But this procedure has stop due to not enough cemetery.

2. In a Kelder. A Kelder is a place above ground with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar inside a Cemetery. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2011, 05:39:31 PM
JORAN IS LOOKING FOR A WAY OUTTA PERU BACK TO ARUBA/HOLLAND- GOOD LUCK ASESINO/MOORDENAAR!
 

(http://pokerroomreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Joran-Jaap.jpg)
Jaap interview Joran gave him a map and said that he buried Natalee
by the Bulabi (bird sancutary).

(http://guanabee.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bubali-bird-sanctuary.jpg)


(http://guanabee.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/enq-cover-265x364.jpg)


STEPH WATTS WITH TIM MILLER AND DAVE HOLLOWAY WENT TO ARUBA AND FILMED THEMSELVES GOING TO THE BULBAI

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/108/bubalipass.jpg)

June 4, 2010 Dutch authorities raided the home of Amesz and confiscated evidence at the request of the U.S. Justice Department, who were investigating Van der Sloot on charges of extortion and wire fraud, but they didn't manage to find the map.
Frustrated with the Aruban authorities' refusal to reopen the Holloway case regardless of the map, Amesz sent a copy to Holloway's father, Dave Holloway.


June 8, 2010
Investigators in Aruba are searching near a bird sanctuary.
http://www.newser.com/story/91778/van-der-sloot-confession-leads-to-new-search-in-aruba.html

He in turn shared it with a private mounted search and recovery team working for the family called Texas Equusearch. The director of that firm, Tim Miller, told the Enquirer, "We have the map." They are in the process of negotiating with the government of Aruba for cooperation in holding a search for Holloway's remains at a national park called the Bubali Bird Sanctuary where Joran claims the body is located


August 23- 25 2010 - KALPOE DEPOSITIONS


September 16, 2010 - Beth in Peru with Peter deVries, visits Joran at Castro Castro prison.


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/06/article-1327180-0BEF1990000005DC-933_468x279.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2011, 05:43:15 PM
(http://guanabee.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/bubali-bird-sanctuary.jpg)



SEND NATALEE HOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -
then send us those Leprechauns - Aruba.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2011, 05:57:04 PM
 Is this true In Aruba, house color is a family affair; even the ornate above-ground burial crypts are painted to match the deceased's home.
 ::snipping2::
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:d_jtACX4whsJ:ezinearticles.com/%3FAruba---One-Happy-Island%26id%3D3541078+is+everyone+that+is+buried+in+Aruba+is+buried+in+an+above+ground+tomb/crypt.&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2011, 06:04:13 PM
360 view of Alto Vista Church and it's surroundings.
http://www.360cities.net/image/alto-vista-chapel-aruba#422.90,22.65,70.0


(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4794/altovistaterrain.jpg)


(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1609/altovistaandhotels.jpg)

Kyle

I agree that it doesn't make sense at first blush that the object could be anything else other than a skull, given it's size, location, and character. The object looks less like a skull in the 2nd and 3rd dives. If it is indeed a rock as the divers report and the video supports, consider this as a possibility:

- The body was nearly completely scavenged and scattered radially away from the opening of the trap
- The tarp once covered the body when the trap was dropped
- Several rocks were placed with the body inside the tarp to aid in weighting it down. (a useless excersize - but I understand the possible thought process)
- Once the tarp was torn away from the body and the body scavenged, the rocks remain. I see the skull now as a round rock with a sponge on it. There is also a small rectangular brick-shaped rock to the right of the skull-rock. This rock is about on the chest area. There are other rocks in the trap which are common in size and character from what is found at or near the shoreline. Rocks are not put into fishtraps by fishermen.
- Based on this, I believe the body was weighted down with rocks when it was placed in the trap to prevent it from moving. These rocks scattered around the trap when it was dropped into the water, with the exception of two which were contained by the tarp prior to scavenging.
- The trap was violently dropped. It actually damaged itself when it hit the bottom. This explains the rocks scattered around the trap.



Kyle

I think rocks in the cage are very unusual and indicate amateurs in opposed to fishermen disposed of the cage. Although the rocks don't point to one specific spot, they do help paint a small part of the picture of that night.




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 08:31:22 PM
According to Kyle Kingman ... the Persistent crew did not locate the trap independently.  A detective who was involved in the Natalee Holloway case revealed the location.

While the detective and his brother were secretly guiding the Persistence to the trap ... distractor Caps was posting on SM FP sharing his theories.

During this period in time ... Kyle was sharing with the Freebirds the actual events encompassing the trap find and ... Kyle sent screen shots from the ROV dives to the FBI but ... he was not posting on his blog ... he was not informing those who were prayerfully and monetarily supporting the Persistence undertaking.  Kyle was undermining John Silvetti's credibility on the private forum but upholding him on his blog ... on the SM forum ...  Why?

Kyle did not comprehend that he could not travel the road of truth as well as the road of deception.  Ultimately a choice had to be made and unfortunately his choice implied a betrayal of Natalee  ... a betrayal of her family.
 
++++++

Shown the Way to the Trap

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.
 
Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude.

Kyle Kingman: He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed.

Kyle Kingman: The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. 
 
Kyle Kingman: Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.

Kyle Kingman:  If a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys


We Never Said a Word

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2008, 12:34:30 AM »


<snipped>

However, we never mislead anyone and here's why:  We never said a word about finding anything so that we purposefully wouldn't mislead anyone and that others wouldn't mislead more...and so on and so on. The only mention by us about finding anything other than shipwrecks was buried in one posting on our blog where we said samples were recovered and sent for analysis.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg357890;topicseen#msg357890


Distraction from the Persistence Search

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating
Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys


71. Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm

<snipped>

The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.

And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.

TEST LOGIG SENARIO 1:

In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two ways.

1. In the grounds. But this procedure has stop due to not enough cemetery.

2. In a Kelder. A Kelder is a place above ground with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar inside a Cemetery. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/


Absolutely Disturbed

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  If I didn't believe in what I witnessed and what I found, I wouldn't have shared it with anyone, especially on the net. If I wasn't absolutely disturbed at how things turned out because of the project leads and corrupt officials I would NEVER have taken any action on my own.

Kermit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 16, 2011, 08:45:31 PM
CAPS AND JOHN SILVETTI CONNECTION

Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #202 on: December 04, 2008, 03:07:37 AM »


... You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.  There must be more to do with your time then pick on the ones who actually go out of their way to help.  I do not see anyone here going out there to actually help as these people did ..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #258 on: November 22, 2008, 02:53:44 AM »


CAPS knows Silvetti from me  Silvetti did do the pond and then they wouldnt let him back in after all the maps were made of the pond.  About Jossy, i know nothing about that.  I was the one who told CAPS to go to the ship and wait for John.  And I do know who CAPS is. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.240



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 09:47:41 PM
http://texasequusearch.org/2011/04/cnn-special-on-tim-miller-and-texas-equusearch/



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 09:52:19 PM
  ::MonkeyAngel::

I just noticed this... ::justice2NJ:: 


::MonkeyHeart:: :cry:


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2011, 10:07:46 PM
CBB asked me about dedicating a thread in the forum to 2NJ.  We dedicated the football thread to Peaches because she spent alot of time there.  Because 2NJ spent most of her forum time in the NH thread and other MP threads it was really hard to dedicate just one to her.  So I decided to dedicate an emoticon to her.  I miss 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 10:10:36 PM
http://www.guidrynews.com/story.aspx?id=1000034162


Bay Area Houston
Texas EquuSearch
News Release
Friday, April 15, 2011

TEXAS EQUUSEARCH SPORTS EXTRAVAGANZA A SUCCESSFUL YET EMOTIONAL NIGHT
The Texas EquuSearch Sports Extravaganza held last Saturday, April 9, at Campbell Hall in Pasadena was a big success. Texas EquuSearch was able to raise around $220,000 through the live auction, silent auction and individual donations.
 ::snipping2::
Texas EquuSearch still needs pledges for a piece of sonar equipment as well as gas cards for searchers.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 10:15:23 PM
CBB asked me about dedicating a thread in the forum to 2NJ.  We dedicated the football thread to Peaches because she spent alot of time there.  Because 2NJ spent most of her forum time in the NH thread and other MP threads it was really hard to dedicate just one to her.  So I decided to dedicate an emoticon to her.  I miss 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Klaas, I miss her too.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2011, 10:29:39 PM
http://www.guidrynews.com/story.aspx?id=1000034162


Bay Area Houston
Texas EquuSearch
News Release
Friday, April 15, 2011

TEXAS EQUUSEARCH SPORTS EXTRAVAGANZA A SUCCESSFUL YET EMOTIONAL NIGHT
The Texas EquuSearch Sports Extravaganza held last Saturday, April 9, at Campbell Hall in Pasadena was a big success. Texas EquuSearch was able to raise around $220,000 through the live auction, silent auction and individual donations.
 ::snipping2::
Texas EquuSearch still needs pledges for a piece of sonar equipment as well as gas cards for searchers.
 ::snipping2::

I haven't watched it all yet, but found this video from the fundraiser.

EquuSearch 2011 Sports Extravaganza Event.m4v

http://youtu.be/HsFaqwRdSiM

Another video, with Ed Reed from the fundraiser.

Ed Reed for EquuSearch.m4v

http://youtu.be/5TA2hsa1fTE


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 16, 2011, 10:56:42 PM
CBB asked me about dedicating a thread in the forum to 2NJ.  We dedicated the football thread to Peaches because she spent alot of time there.  Because 2NJ spent most of her forum time in the NH thread and other MP threads it was really hard to dedicate just one to her.  So I decided to dedicate an emoticon to her.  I miss 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for creating the emoticon in honor of 2NJ.  I really miss 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
CBB asked me about dedicating a thread in the forum to 2NJ.  We dedicated the football thread to Peaches because she spent alot of time there.  Because 2NJ spent most of her forum time in the NH thread and other MP threads it was really hard to dedicate just one to her.  So I decided to dedicate an emoticon to her.  I miss 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Klaas, I miss her too.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Me too! ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: spooky112483 on April 17, 2011, 12:20:54 AM
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::



Well if he did this I think it would be easy to see all that died in Aruba in the weeks after Natalee  went missing and who was buried in an above the ground tomb


We have been looking at all that since day one.  I posted the link above in a prev post.  It is my understanding that everyone that is buried in Aruba is buried in an above ground tomb/crypt.

I cant believe it, it makes blood shot out of my eyes! We HAVE been talking about this since day one. My head is just spinning right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 01:36:22 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

 ::MonkeyJustice::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 17, 2011, 02:03:10 AM
CBB asked me about dedicating a thread in the forum to 2NJ.  We dedicated the football thread to Peaches because she spent alot of time there.  Because 2NJ spent most of her forum time in the NH thread and other MP threads it was really hard to dedicate just one to her.  So I decided to dedicate an emoticon to her.  I miss 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::rhino:: ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 17, 2011, 02:12:00 AM
CBB asked me about dedicating a thread in the forum to 2NJ.  We dedicated the football thread to Peaches because she spent alot of time there.  Because 2NJ spent most of her forum time in the NH thread and other MP threads it was really hard to dedicate just one to her.  So I decided to dedicate an emoticon to her.  I miss 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::
God bless 2NJ .................... we will always remember her with the "Monkey Angel"!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 17, 2011, 06:52:06 AM


Please light a candle for Natalee.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: sharon on April 17, 2011, 07:38:45 AM
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1363&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


NativeLingo
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:11 pm    Post subject:   

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Folks, they are saying on the radio that there were indeed "activities" in the cemetary in paradera yesterday. But apprently it has nothing to do with the Natalee case....let's see....


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: sharon on April 17, 2011, 07:46:42 AM
Same link as above -- but I'm not sure it is taking you to the correct spot. The posts are from the first few days of the SM forum -- NOT the SM front page



americaninaruba

Joined: 14 Jun 2005
Location: Aruba
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject:   

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What they found atthe cementary has NOTHIGN to do with the HOlloway case...it wsas a body that they had to remove form the cementray that died 3 years ago and it had something to do with a autopsy that had to be doen due to a insurance money collection thing


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: sharon on April 17, 2011, 08:01:08 AM
klaas and mods -- I'm pretty sure that the above comes from RBN #2 -- which is the only thread that I can't find in the archives :-We go from thread 1 to thread 3. (I have most of it saved)

Please delete my posts if necessary as I can no longer find the thread that the link goes to

Contains several references to the topic  of cemetary in Paradero.


<3   ::justice2NJ::   <3


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: sharon on April 17, 2011, 08:40:07 AM
Grande did this research way back when. Again -- I did not save link :-( , and can't remember if it came from SM forum or SM front page. So apologies to mods if this needs to be deleted. I saved articles and posts -- and 'sometimes' the link.


 ::justice2NJ::



1.   Grande Says:
April 26th, 2006 at 9:53 pm

SOURCE: MEMETOMORI FUNERAL HOME - ARUBA

EDMOND FERMIN WERLEMAN DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 35
KERWIN ANTHONY ORVILLE GOIJLA DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 17
GISELA SULAIKA LOEFSTOP DIED JUNE 15, 2005 - AGE 30
SAUL ARNOLD RAS DIED JUNE 28, 2005 - AGE 29
JASON EUGENE TIN SOENG WONG DIED JULY 10, 2005 - AGE 19
FRANCIS JAMIE NEMENCIO RASMIJN DIED JULY 20, 2005 - AGE 22
ALBERT RICHARD MARQUEZ BUSTAMANTE DIED AUGUST 25, 2005 - AGE 26
ANGELO SATURNINO GERLY DIED SEPTEMBER 14, 2005 - AGE 30
MOISES ALBERTO ROMERO GASIABURU (SP?) DIED OCTOBER 19, 2005 - AGE 34
LYSANDRA ZAHAYRA THIEL DIED NOVEMBER 1, 2005 - AGE 32
ARCADIO SABINO AMADO ROSINA DIED NOVEMBER, 19 2005 - AGE 21
JOSE FERNANDO SANCHEZ DIED NOVEMBER 26, 2005 - AGE 23
SHAILESKOEMAR BHAWEN DIED DECEMBER 25, 2005 - AGE 23
MICHALANGELO GIOVANNI CROES DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33
MICHELL ANDRE HAGE ALSO DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU SAY HMMM…….

I AM IN THE PROCESS OF SOURCING MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE DETAILS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS SUDDEN DEATHS.
I FIND IT QUITE DISTURBING MYSELF, CONSIDERING IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS LITTLE CRIME ON ARUBA. HOW DID THESE 15! INDIVIDUALS ALL UNDER THE AGE OF 35 ALL COME TO SUDDEN DEATHS SHORTLY THERE AFTER THE INITIAL SURGE OF ATTENTION TO NATALEE’S CASE? MORE IMPORTANTLY PERHAPS IS WHY?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 17, 2011, 09:10:28 AM
 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ::

Klaas, thank you for this wonderful tribute dedicated to 2NJ.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blonde on April 17, 2011, 10:07:19 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Where%20did%20they%20bury%20Natalee/FreddyinSt.jpg)
If you look out of the window you can see a building in the Church picture of Freddy

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Where%20did%20they%20bury%20Natalee/10aruba148.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Where%20did%20they%20bury%20Natalee/stannaruba.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Lifesong on April 17, 2011, 11:34:09 AM


 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 17, 2011, 11:50:33 AM
The current National Enquirer dated 4/25/2011:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/5625332726_afb8c1fcea_b.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5103/5625332622_6a0467a90d_b.jpg)

Could Joran's latest "confession" be the catalyst which will allow him to return to Aruban/Dutch soil?  Would the Natalee Holloway case take priority over the Stephany Flores case?  Is there a extradiction treaty between Holland/Aruba and Peru?

I contend that there are talks going on behind the scenes between the Aruban/Dutch "powers that be" who have knowledge of the ongoing cover up that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ... talks that imply that it is only a matter of time that a way will be paved for Joran's return home.

Janet

++++


No Grounds to Release

NANCY GRACE
Aired September 13, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html


The Hague?

On the Record w/ Greta  - November 14, 2005


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: They are saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ... it has to be.

<snipped>

Transcript: Heli - RU
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 17, 2011, 11:51:22 AM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 17, 2011, 11:58:40 AM
It is my hope that Stephany Flores' family will not be echoing the words of Natalee Holloway's mother.

Janet

++++


WE NEVER HAD A CHANCE

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 189:
    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 01:42:50 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Betico Croes grave vandalized last night...

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/30404-betico-croes-no-por-sosega-na-pas.html

betico croes not can sosega at peace

sunday, 17 april 2011 11:02

across from socialnan owing to destrui the kelder of betico croes saturday manece diadomingo. fielnan cu owing to visit the cemetery diadomingo morning owing to come across the situation y owing to raport'e at police at once. owing to break the marble fast the kelder cu the photograph y name of defunto betico croes, open the kelder y even owing to saca his box of dead afo. of the form here obviamente do not permiti the leader politico of sosega at peace. police have cemetery of santa cruz close for investigacion. come across

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr17.grafbetico.IMG00927-20110417-1031.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 17, 2011, 01:44:42 PM
Geez that's terrible


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 17, 2011, 01:48:54 PM
This is the link to the old RBN archives.  Not sure if everyone can see them?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=19.0


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 02:01:17 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30415-restonan-mortal-di-betico-croes-a-wordo-confisca.html

Papiamentu translation:

restonan deadly of betico croes owing to wordo confisca

sunday, 17 april 2011 12:49

after cu autoridadnan owing to present at cemetery of santa cruz for her acto regrettable contra the cemetery of betico croes fiscal owing to dicidi of take the restonan deadly in beslag. this is for can make one investigacion deep on the restonan deadly mirando cu have all indicacion cu the malechornan owing to come in contacto cu the restonan deadly. do not conoci what the attempt behind the acto here is y autoridadnan policial is tumando the caso here much at earnest.
 ::snipping2::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr17.cadaver.DSC_0106.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr17.cadaver.DSC_0137.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr17.cadaver.DSC_0057.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 02:05:03 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30415-restonan-mortal-di-betico-croes-a-wordo-confisca.html
 ::snipping2::

Comment:

scirbi for e_berdad, april 17, 2011
increibel cu awendia at aruba type of cosnan so is sosode!! the cos here is condenabel not only for we because; serhumano, but also for we god todo powerful. thing cu owing to happen cu the graaf of sr.betico is show in direcccion of voodisme! the is one ritual much powerful in the mund of voodoo y in the caso here for hanja the compel y liderasgo cu sr. betico croes twt have. the liquido cu is talk of dje do not nothing another for proteha esun cu is bay hanja the power for her bad not drente y stay proteha.... god self owing to tell, for do you believe in my existencia, do you have to believe in bad (diabel). cu sr. betico croes sosega at paz in arm of senjor we god. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 02:05:54 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30415-restonan-mortal-di-betico-croes-a-wordo-confisca.html

Papiamentu translation:

 ::snipping2::

Comment:

scirbi for e_berdad, april 17, 2011
increibel cu awendia at aruba type of cosnan so is sosode!! the cos here is condenabel not only for we because; serhumano, but also for we god todo powerful. thing cu owing to happen cu the graaf of sr.betico is show in direcccion of voodisme! the is one ritual much powerful in the mund of voodoo y in the caso here for hanja the compel y liderasgo cu sr. betico croes twt have. the liquido cu is talk of dje do not nothing another for proteha esun cu is bay hanja the power for her bad not drente y stay proteha.... god self owing to tell, for do you believe in my existencia, do you have to believe in bad (diabel). cu sr. betico croes sosega at paz in arm of senjor we god. come across

edit


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 02:53:54 PM
If I understand correctly there was a blue liquid poured on the casket, and the coat that Betico Croes was buried in was taken.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30410-rudy-croes-awe-ta-un-dia-hopi-doloroso.html

Papiamentu translation:

rudy croes: today is one day much painful

sunday, 17 april 2011 12:30

awemainta ex minister y brother of betico croes was one of the promenan for is at cemetery of santa cruz for see cu his own eye locual owing to sosode cu the box of dead at the kelder. at previous to instant can owing to notice cu owing to compel the box y was have one likido blauw/berde is pour for of the box. rudy croes is tell cu the acto here do not uno normal y the not can imagina cu the personanan cu owing to comete the acto here can is aruban. rudy croes owing to achieve informacion cu all cos is show cu the personanan cu owing to comete the acto owing to less the coat cu betico croes was have dress at instant of burial. this owing to wordo constata debi cu the coat was his only in the kelder. 

::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Blonde on April 17, 2011, 04:38:11 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30415-restonan-mortal-di-betico-croes-a-wordo-confisca.html

Papiamentu translation:

restonan deadly of betico croes owing to wordo confisca

sunday, 17 april 2011 12:49

after cu autoridadnan owing to present at cemetery of santa cruz for her acto regrettable contra the cemetery of betico croes fiscal owing to dicidi of take the restonan deadly in beslag. this is for can make one investigacion deep on the restonan deadly mirando cu have all indicacion cu the malechornan owing to come in contacto cu the restonan deadly. do not conoci what the attempt behind the acto here is y autoridadnan policial is tumando the caso here much at earnest.
 ::snipping2::

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr17.cadaver.DSC_0106.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr17.cadaver.DSC_0137.JPG)

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr17.cadaver.DSC_0057.JPG)


I wonder what they were looking for?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 05:11:08 PM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30421-diasabra-awor-lo-dera-betico-croes-atrobe-.html

Papiamentu translation:

saturday now will bury betico croes again

sunday, 17 april 2011 16:04

although the is sound very odd, but is intencion of family croes for as one acto of burial saturday now in cemetery of santa cruz. the week here mementomori funeral home will revisa the restonan deadly for can brind'e one burial digno saturday awo. one hour exact for her ceremonia here do not conoci still. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 17, 2011, 06:19:08 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2011, 10:32:17 PM
Maybe he's referring to a "box" inside the casket that had a special lock and wasn't opened, because the casket was definitely open!  24ora even published three photos that you could see the skull in, but they have been taken down now. (I wondered if they posted those photos to disprove reports that the skull had been taken...jmo)
 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30420-gf-qjuniorq-croes-diasabra-awor-ta-dera-betico-croes-atrobe.html

Papiamentu translation:

g.f. "junior" croes: saturday now is bury betico croes again

sunday, 17 april 2011 14:38

dim lights for family croes, the susedidonan of today was one sla duro, precisamente in the year cu is conmemora 25 year of fayecimiento of one of the maximo politiconan of we island. gilberto francois "junior" croes was present at hospital at instant cu police owing to open box of betico croes. junior croes owing to haci one declaracion in name of family of betico croes after of they exit for of hospital. past owing to splica cu the was present at instant cu owing to open the box of dead of his father. past owing to confirma cu the across from socialnan owing to try open the box but not owing to succeed, debi cu have one lock special at the box.

::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 17, 2011, 10:36:49 PM
I just checked and there is still no decision posted regarding the SUMMARY JUDGEMENT which was heard yesterday.  I find it often takes them a few days to update and post documents.

Hopefully the ruling will be documented tomorrow.

Janet

 ::justice2NJ::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 18, 2011, 12:41:22 AM
Maybe he's referring to a "box" inside the casket that had a special lock and wasn't opened, because the casket was definitely open!  24ora even published three photos that you could see the skull in, but they have been taken down now. (I wondered if they posted those photos to disprove reports that the skull had been taken...jmo)
 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30420-gf-qjuniorq-croes-diasabra-awor-ta-dera-betico-croes-atrobe.html

Papiamentu translation:

g.f. "junior" croes: saturday now is bury betico croes again

sunday, 17 april 2011 14:38

dim lights for family croes, the susedidonan of today was one sla duro, precisamente in the year cu is conmemora 25 year of fayecimiento of one of the maximo politiconan of we island. gilberto francois "junior" croes was present at hospital at instant cu police owing to open box of betico croes. junior croes owing to haci one declaracion in name of family of betico croes after of they exit for of hospital. past owing to splica cu the was present at instant cu owing to open the box of dead of his father. past owing to confirma cu the across from socialnan owing to try open the box but not owing to succeed, debi cu have one lock special at the box.

::snipping2::


Have you ever been to a funeral where the body laid in state at the front of the
church for an hour or so before the service?  Just before the family is seated and the
service begins, the undertaker closes the casket.  There are two locks.  The first one
locks the inner casket and makes it air tight.  You can hear a whoosh when the air escapes.  Then there is another lock for the outer coffin.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 01:11:09 AM
Maybe he's referring to a "box" inside the casket that had a special lock and wasn't opened, because the casket was definitely open!  24ora even published three photos that you could see the skull in, but they have been taken down now. (I wondered if they posted those photos to disprove reports that the skull had been taken...jmo)
 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30420-gf-qjuniorq-croes-diasabra-awor-ta-dera-betico-croes-atrobe.html

Papiamentu translation:

g.f. "junior" croes: saturday now is bury betico croes again

sunday, 17 april 2011 14:38

dim lights for family croes, the susedidonan of today was one sla duro, precisamente in the year cu is conmemora 25 year of fayecimiento of one of the maximo politiconan of we island. gilberto francois "junior" croes was present at hospital at instant cu police owing to open box of betico croes. junior croes owing to haci one declaracion in name of family of betico croes after of they exit for of hospital. past owing to splica cu the was present at instant cu owing to open the box of dead of his father. past owing to confirma cu the across from socialnan owing to try open the box but not owing to succeed, debi cu have one lock special at the box.

::snipping2::

Have you ever been to a funeral where the body laid in state at the front of the
church for an hour or so before the service?  Just before the family is seated and the
service begins, the undertaker closes the casket.  There are two locks.  The first one
locks the inner casket and makes it air tight.  You can hear a whoosh when the air escapes.  Then there is another lock for the outer coffin.

Thanks Magnolia!  I've never noticed that before.  If that's what they're talking about, I think they got into that part too, (unless the remains can be seen through it).  One of the articles I posted mentions a coat being taken.  I read in one of the comments that it was taken from the casket but was found in the kelder. 

IMO, In this picture it looks like there could be a dark piece of clothing of some kind in the kelder.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6977&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/6977/2_1303075502.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 01:13:13 AM
texasmom, 7227, 7227 and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'd never seen that happen before!  7227 is logged in twice?   


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 01:21:56 AM
http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/30420-gf-qjuniorq-croes-diasabra-awor-ta-dera-betico-croes-atrobe.html

snipped from the comments:

Papiamentu translation:

 ::snipping2::
scirbi for chubato, april 17, 2011
cu the declaracion here sr. junior croes owing to desbarata all the ponencianan throw in air today via top more cayente cu hell. center of all the tristesa cu the jiunan owing to happen inside today during day, they own uncle rudy croes, companja for sensacionalistanan edmond croes y harry croes owing to sit send all sort of insinuacion without base in air via top fm. this is condenabel. rudy, edmond, harry y juancho constantemente twt bark cu the box owing to wordo break at near, tapa owing to wordo less, defunto owing to wordo ranka throw up for of coat y cu probably have partinan vital of the curpa cu owing to wordo steal. till even harry twt insinua cu probably the cabez of betico will owing to wordo take away for make witch cune.mentiranan flagrante. esta one berguensa y miss of etica of the own brother of sr. betico croes y supuesto amigonan. of the as without etica here of top fm. they owing to demostra cu they not have niun clase of respet for betico +3 come across...

scirbi for where etica owing to stay, april 17, 2011
despite cu we is custumbra cu the barbaridadnan of edmond croes y his gang, today once more they owing to miss respet big at betico. is miss of etica, at instant cu edmond, y rudy own brother of betico twt send news false in air, saying cu the box owing to wordo open of punta for punta, cu the curpa of betico owing to wordo throw up for of box, consequentemente according rudy, they owing to ranka the curpa saca for of his coat y owing to make "algo" cu the curpa. ganjamento again. neither akinan the hendenan here can talk berdad. con a can is capaz for inventa noticianan sensacionalista on they own brother come across??? today betico his jiu junior owing to declara cla y raspa cu the box not owing to wordo open because the have one lock special at dje. bariendo so all thing rudy y edmond owing to plama via topfm today for of table. the hendenan here is self sick cu esun cu owing to saca the box for of the cemetery. rudy,edmond, harry y juancho owing to demostra of is hendenan cu not have niun clase of moral y is hendenan without respet.nan wanted play politica cu betico again come across! +4 come across...

scirbi for where etica owing to stay, april 17, 2011
rudy croes mentiroso today owing to plama news increiblemente without respet via top fm. edmond croes once more mentiroso, harry croes mentiroso y juancho werleman mentiroso. rudy owing to come cu the primicia cu the box owing to wordo open, the defunto ranka for of his coat, coat owing to wordo throw in kelder y the box destrui. why in all the d**or here have to owing to go over at noticianan cu owing to resulta cu neither is berdad come across......junior owing to declara enfaticamente cu the box not can owing to wordo open pace the have one lock special. cu this, all the noticianan of steal curpa, steal cabez, saca curpa foi coat owing to resulta of is mentiranan very ugly. esunnan cu owing to lose more respet diadomingo during day for betico is his own brother rudy, his famianan edmond, harry y the opportunist juancho. hendenan without moral cu owing to lastra all day cu the memory holy of betico. +3 come across...
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 01:55:16 AM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

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AND STEPHANY!

  ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2011, 09:33:15 AM
texasmom, 7227, 7227 and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'd never seen that happen before!  7227 is logged in twice?   

That's weird


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2011, 01:29:42 PM
texasmom, 7227, 7227 and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'd never seen that happen before!  7227 is logged in twice?   

That's weird

Klaas

My neigbour just dropped in for quick cuppa tea.  It is her belief it took two computer with entirely different IP# to cause the glich.

Janet

+++++

Computer #1

1.  Access SM site.
2.  Log In
3.  Access NH forum
4.  Nic appears in the rafters
5.  Do not exit forum.  Do not exit site.

1.  Access SM site again
2.  Log Off immediately
3.  Do not exit site


Computer #2

1.  Access SM site
2.  Log In
3.  Access NH Forum
4.  Nic will appear twice in the rafters (?)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 18, 2011, 03:03:43 PM
Janet
Here is the answer to your question, "Is there a extradiction treaty between Holland/Aruba and Peru?"  No. ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0603/Joran-van-der-Sloot-awaits-extradition-to-Peru

 ::snipping2::

A Dutch criminal law expert Geert-Jans Knoops told the Dutch Telegraaf on Thursday Van der Sloot would not get any special legal protection as a Dutch national in Peru. He also said that it's likely that Van der Sloot, if convicted, would have to serve any jail term in Peru because there is no prisoner exchange treaty between The Netherlands and Peru.





Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2011, 03:23:57 PM
Janet
Here is the answer to your question, "Is there a extradiction treaty between Holland/Aruba and Peru?"  No. ::MonkeyCool::


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0603/Joran-van-der-Sloot-awaits-extradition-to-Peru

 ::snipping2::

A Dutch criminal law expert Geert-Jans Knoops told the Dutch Telegraaf on Thursday Van der Sloot would not get any special legal protection as a Dutch national in Peru. He also said that it's likely that Van der Sloot, if convicted, would have to serve any jail term in Peru because there is no prisoner exchange treaty between The Netherlands and Peru.



Thanks Grace.  However ... I am still skeptical.

My fear is that talks is going on behind the scenes negotiating Joran returned to Dutch/Aruban soil.

1.  The Stephany Flores Case - To serve out sentence.
2.  The Natalee Holloway Case - "New" information.

Once on Dutch/Aruban soil ... without an extradition treaty ... Holland/Aruba has the ball in their court ... the ball that implies justice for either Stephany or Natalee will never be realized.

Once on Dutch/Aruban soil ... jurisdiction will dictate that acountability pertaining to the extortion of Beth Holloway will never be realized.

I hope I am wrong on all counts.

Janet

++++++


No Grounds to Release

NANCY GRACE
Aired September 13, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

NANCY GRACE, HOST: What was the grounds? Why did they release them?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: You know, Nancy, there was absolutely no -- no grounds for them to be released. And I spoke with the Dutch interrogators. And even as of September the 1st, things were really progressing well, and Joran and Deepak and Satish, they had -- these young men had divided, and they were not denying a crime anymore. They were merely implicating each other. And the list of inconsistencies was presented before Judge Smit. The reasonable doubt was there. I don`t have any idea why he fled the island and then faxed a reversal decision. It just is incredible.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/13/ng.01.html


The Hague?

On the Record w/ Greta  - November 14, 2005


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: They are saying that even the AG is controlled by The Hague, so they're keeping Karen Janssen on ...

TWITTY: Well Greta, somebody is lobbying for Joran in the Hague in order to protect him ... it has to be.

<snipped>

Transcript: Heli - RU
 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2011, 03:29:14 PM
Jurisdiction and Extradition!

NANCY GRACE
Judge Dismisses Holloway Suit
Aired August 11, 2006 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, the facts still remain that those are the last suspects known to be seen with Natalee alive. And everybody knows of their repeated lies that they told the authorities, even their father, Paulus Van Der Sloot. That`s why he was arrested. There was a reason that he was arrested in Natalee`s disappearance. It was not unwarranted whatsoever.

And you know -- and being dismissed in New York, it was on a procedure ruling.  Here again, jurisdiction.  We have faced that issue since May 30 of 2005.  Jurisdiction and extradition hve hit us in the face every time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/11/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2011, 04:14:58 PM
FYI - I just checked and there is still no decision on the Summary Judgement hearing which was held on April 14.   Could be the judge has not made his decision or could be the courts are backlogged.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 18, 2011, 04:17:42 PM
texasmom, 7227, 7227 and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'd never seen that happen before!  7227 is logged in twice?   

That's weird

Klaas

My neigbour just dropped in for quick cuppa tea.  It is her belief it took two computer with entirely different IP# to cause the glich.

Janet

+++++

Computer #1

1.  Access SM site.
2.  Log In
3.  Access NH forum
4.  Nic appears in the rafters
5.  Do not exit forum.  Do not exit site.

1.  Access SM site again
2.  Log Off immediately
3.  Do not exit site


Computer #2

1.  Access SM site
2.  Log In
3.  Access NH Forum
4.  Nic will appear twice in the rafters (?)

I don't think it's even possible or shouldn't be possible that way.  I did get an email from poster 7227 and all they did was have 2 browser windows open (on the same computer) one to read this thread and the other to read the RBN link I posted.  Just a fluke and will likely never see it again  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2011, 04:56:53 PM
FYI - I just checked and there is still no decision on the Summary Judgement hearing which was held on April 14.   Could be the judge has not made his decision or could be the courts are backlogged.

Thanks Klaas

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2011, 05:38:09 PM
texasmom, 7227, 7227 and 3 Guests are viewing this topic.

I'd never seen that happen before!  7227 is logged in twice?   

That's weird

Klaas

My neigbour just dropped in for quick cuppa tea.  It is her belief it took two computer with entirely different IP# to cause the glich.

Janet

+++++

Computer #1

1.  Access SM site.
2.  Log In
3.  Access NH forum
4.  Nic appears in the rafters
5.  Do not exit forum.  Do not exit site.

1.  Access SM site again
2.  Log Off immediately
3.  Do not exit site


Computer #2

1.  Access SM site
2.  Log In
3.  Access NH Forum
4.  Nic will appear twice in the rafters (?)

I don't think it's even possible or shouldn't be possible that way.  I did get an email from poster 7227 and all they did was have 2 browser windows open (on the same computer) one to read this thread and the other to read the RBN link I posted.  Just a fluke and will likely never see it again  ::MonkeyCool::

If 7227 did not access a second computer  ... my friend's theory goes down the drain.

Thanks Klaas.  Thanks for clarifying 7227.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 07:06:37 PM
Another day, more corruption accusations...   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6450:aangifte-tegen-ex-minister-wever-wegens-corruptie-parkietenbos&catid=151:artikel-headline-aruba&Itemid=200

Google translation:

Weaver filed a complaint against former minister for corruption Parkietenbos

Monday, 18 April 2011 5:01 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Minister for Infrastructure, Environment & Integration, Benny Sevinger (AVP), this morning at the Public Prosecutor (OM) reported to his predecessor Booshi Wever (MEP). Sevinger accused the former minister of corrupt acts in the project for the waste treatment plant at Parkietenbos. In response Weaver says: "I'm glad he did. So I can prove my innocence. "

Sevinger made the declaration just before the debate in the States, where the minister explain to parliament should be about the waste treatment plant that is flat for some time. The government sees no more bread in the project where Fluff waste to be processed and sees more in another project in which energy is extracted from the waste. The fixed States Commission public enterprises, which is chaired by MP PDR Andin Bikker, has for some time trying to gain more insight into the "dump project" as mentioned in the media. So fed up with the committee recently to table Bouldin & Lawson, the U.S. company whose technology of processing the waste is bought. The company also recently won the lawsuit against the government so that a claim of nearly 2 million florins to pay. Sevinger said them now make a claim against the company wish to submit.

On the declaration this morning could not say much OM as there are not "substantive" was looked at, said spokesman Angela Ann. "The return was received this morning and it's about Parkietenbos" is all she could lose at that time. Sevinger have already left this morning to the reporters that he accuses Weaver of corrupt acts. Thus, according to him for 4 million florins to spending no clear explanation, although the minister indicates that at the law firm Croes & Wever Tchong gone. Additionally Sevinger satisfied by the central government while the already 20 million florins to have issued, and the minister were also irregularities in the tendering of the project. Thus, Bouldin & Lawson have scored poorly on the requirements of the first stage of the tender, but ultimately the contract of the previous MEP government have received. These anomalies were also a time when all the political parties RED indicated that it also wanted an investigation, but this was no political support.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 07:47:49 PM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/18-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Reburial next Saturday
Body Betico Croes intact after grave desecration


Ruben Werleman, nephew of Betico Croes in grave breach of the political leader. In his hand he holds a tie in the coffin was found. A rosary was also found in the coffin

ORANGE CITY - The remains of Betico Croes (1938-1986) has remained intact after an attempt by strangers to open up his chest. The jacket was found in the tomb, does not him. It says the Public Prosecutor (OM). The prosecutor suspects that the liquid was found probable corrosion of the chest fluid is. Croes is next Saturday, presumably to four hours in the afternoon, reburied Justice was seized after the coffin revealed a This attempt was made open up, said spokeswoman Angela Ann OM.
 ::snipping2::
Continued on page 3
"Politics condemns desecration
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 07:51:22 PM
http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/18-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Politics condemns desecration
Continued from page 1
In the night from Saturday to Sunday was the coffin of Betico Croes by unknown from his tomb in St. Cruz met. Initially was said that the coffin was broken and that a fluid over the body was cast. Amigoe found on the cemetery yesterday, including Ruben Werleman with the grave of his uncle. In the basement was still a black tie with a rusty pin and a rosary in the box was.  According to former Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, brother of Betico, the chest around eight hours in the morning discovered by admin of the cemetery, Sixto Vrolijk. "The marble facade was cleanly removed, then the open grave, probably with a sledgehammer was broken. They have the end of the crate a workbench and put box forced open. "  In the studio of radio station Top FM gave Rudy later adds that the jacket that was found in the basement of Betico was. "They have the jacket of Betico pulled out of the box, a liquid poured over him, the jacket behind in the basement and thrown tried to box again in the basement back.  But because it is a whole heavy chest, this is clearly not succeeded. "In the radio studio was speculation about the circumstances of grave robbing. Both station owner Edmond Croes as MEP leader accused Nelson Oduber ruling party of AVP behind the desecration to sit. Rudy Croes monthly But relax, but spoke his suspicions of to Haitians who might a voodoo ritual Betico had been captured.   
::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 08:07:20 PM
http://www.24ora.com/politica-mainmenu-18/30511-minister-di-husticia-ta-anuncia-cuminsamento-di-campana-di-conscientisacion-encuanto-traficacion-di-hende.html

(http://www.24ora.com/cache/multithumb_images/1....images.stories.news.2011.april.apr18.dowers.dowers_mensenrechten003.JPG)

Papiamentu translation:

minister of husticia is anuncia cuminsamento of campaña of conscientisacion encuanto traficacion of person

monday, 18 april 2011 19:00

sra. corinne dettmeijer-vermeulen, rapporteur for traficacion of person for the netherlands, y sra. jeannette richardson- baars, coordinador nacional across from traficacion y contrabando of aruba y one comision of profesionalnan envolvi in the proceso of deteccion, investigacion y aid of victima of traficacion of person owing to reuni cu minister of husticia y enseñansa, mr. drs. arthur dowers at bestuurskantoor diabierna morning. in the conferencia of prensa after of the meeting, minister dowers owing to anuncia the cuminsamento of one campaña of conscientisacion cu is take away the titulo “habri do you eye!” y is give one list of indicadornan of traficacion of person. the list is for help tanto publico general because; the victima potencial for detecta the form of abuse here. minister dowers is boga for aid y proteccion of esnan cu is in one posicion vulnerabel y can is or maybe victima of traficacion of person y the abuse cu they're experencia. mundialmente the problematica of traficacion of person is existi, y also at aruba, but much trip the victima not know cu his situation of live or work do not normal or the have berguensa or fright for raporta cu the is believe cu the is one victima of traficacion of person. one another factor cu is make cu traficacion of person do not wordo raporta, is cu comunidad do not consiente of what exactly is wordo califica because; traficacion of person y niether not know where for bay or that for calling hour have question hour they detecta one or another irregularidad. sra. richardson-baars owing to enfatisa cu at aruba also have caso traficacion of person. ela splica cu recientemente had one caso diminutive y have uno big cu is still is in corte. the caso big owing to rekeri cooperacion of various autoridadnan in several country y owing to count ; cu among another asistencia tecnico of the netherlands. 

::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 09:00:14 PM
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-holloways-aunt,0,1903927.story

(http://*BLOCKED*/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2011-04/60984714-18105618-400225.jpg)

Natalee Holloway's Aunt Speaks About Holly Bobo Case

4:10 p.m. CDT, April 18, 2011
 
Fast Facts:
Natalie Holloway's aunt is reaching out to the family of missing student.
It's been nearly six days since missing nursing student Holly Bobo has been seen.
Holloway's aunt, Linda Allison from Jonesboro, Arkansas is speaking out about Bobo's case.
(Memphis, TN 4/18/11)

"Their world has been turned upside down," said Linda Allison.

She says the disappearance of her niece, Natalie Holloway in 2005 has changed the way she looks at missing person's cases.

"Her family has probably seen information about missing people all the time but never imagined it would happen to them," said Allison.

Allison has been watching the Holly Bobo case very closely. It was May of 2005 when her 18 year old niece, Natalie Holloway, went missing during a graduation trip on the Caribbean island of Aruba. The Alabama teen has not been seen or heard from since.

The suspect in Holloway's case, Joran van der Sloot, is now jailed in Peru in connection with a separate murder.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 18, 2011, 10:07:53 PM
Apparently there was a tourist that fell at the busstation in Oranjestad this morning. It looks like she was banged up pretty bad.

I would like to post these pictures for every tourist even thinking about going there to see, but I will not. If you want to see what they publish as news, here is the link.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6993&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

I feel so bad for this poor lady. I bet she didn't even know someone was taking pictures.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 18, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
Texasmon I don't know if you have this News site from Aruba, or even want another one.

http://wwww.boletinextra.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:18:32 PM
Full Moon @ Nikky Beach 16april'11

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=38320

kinda looks like Valentijn on the left, imo

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/full_moon__nikky_beach_16april11_321/bikinicontestfrogs_20110417_1093934641.jpg)

http://www.24ora.com/gallery.html?func=detail&id=38263

(http://www.24ora.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/full_moon__nikky_beach_16april11_321/bikinicontestfrogs_20110417_1888647495.jpg)



http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002139736733&sk=wall

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/195570_100002139736733_1430527_q.jpg)Charles Croes
MENS GROOMING TIP OF THE DAY: Dont grow a long pinky finger nail. People wonder all sorts of stuff as to what you do with it.
April 5 at 2:08pm

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Apparently there was a tourist that fell at the busstation in Oranjestad this morning. It looks like she was banged up pretty bad.

I would like to post these pictures for every tourist even thinking about going there to see, but I will not. If you want to see what they publish as news, here is the link.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6993&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

I feel so bad for this poor lady. I bet she didn't even know someone was taking pictures.

Thanks SuzieQ....poor lady.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:23:16 PM
Texasmon I don't know if you have this News site from Aruba, or even want another one.

http://wwww.boletinextra.com/

Thanks SuzieQ, yes I have it.  That's Edmond Croes website.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: SuzieQ on April 18, 2011, 10:30:09 PM
Texasmon I don't know if you have this News site from Aruba, or even want another one.

http://wwww.boletinextra.com/

Thanks SuzieQ, yes I have it.  That's Edmond Croes website.


Thanks, I thought it had a lot of news about the Croes.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:33:25 PM
http://www.facebook.com/

Steve Croes
ok so tin rumores ta kore na korsow ku ami dj diablo a fayece well atami aki still alive,there is a rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj diablo aruba has died well not true I'm still here doing my shit so f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out I'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it so stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry


Papiamentu translation:

steve croes ok only have rumores is drive at korsow with i dj devil owing to fayece well atami here still alive,there is owing to rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj devil aruba has died well grade true i'm still here doing my shit only f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out i'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it only stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:34:53 PM
I forgot to note that I edited the "f" word (a few times) in my last post.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2011, 10:45:07 PM
FYI - I just checked and there is still no decision on the Summary Judgement hearing which was held on April 14.   Could be the judge has not made his decision or could be the courts are backlogged.

Maybe tomorrow.

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

+++++

 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:45:48 PM
Texasmon I don't know if you have this News site from Aruba, or even want another one.

http://wwww.boletinextra.com/

Thanks SuzieQ, yes I have it.  That's Edmond Croes website.

He has a radio station too, lots more of the Croes side of things from what I read.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
Texasmon I don't know if you have this News site from Aruba, or even want another one.

http://wwww.boletinextra.com/

Thanks SuzieQ, yes I have it.  That's Edmond Croes website.


Thanks, I thought it had a lot of news about the Croes.

I meant to "quote" this post...long day!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
http://www.facebook.com/

Steve Croes
ok so tin rumores ta kore na korsow ku ami dj diablo a fayece well atami aki still alive,there is a rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj diablo aruba has died well not true I'm still here doing my shit so f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out I'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it so stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry


Papiamentu translation:

steve croes ok only have rumores is drive at korsow with i dj devil owing to fayece well atami here still alive,there is owing to rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj devil aruba has died well grade true i'm still here doing my shit only f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out i'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it only stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry

btw...I wouldn't be sad at all if it were true.  I'd probably have a Margarita (or a few) to celebrate.  just sayin'
 ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance::
 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Magnolia on April 18, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
http://www.facebook.com/

Steve Croes
ok so tin rumores ta kore na korsow ku ami dj diablo a fayece well atami aki still alive,there is a rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj diablo aruba has died well not true I'm still here doing my shit so f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out I'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it so stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry


Papiamentu translation:

steve croes ok only have rumores is drive at korsow with i dj devil owing to fayece well atami here still alive,there is owing to rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj devil aruba has died well grade true i'm still here doing my shit only f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out i'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it only stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry

btw...I wouldn't be sad at all if it were true.  I'd probably have a Margarita (or a few) to celebrate.  just sayin'
 ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance::
 ::MonkeyDevil::




I would join you. ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 11:06:49 PM
http://www.facebook.com/

Steve Croes
ok so tin rumores ta kore na korsow ku ami dj diablo a fayece well atami aki still alive,there is a rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj diablo aruba has died well not true I'm still here doing my shit so f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out I'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it so stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry


Papiamentu translation:

steve croes ok only have rumores is drive at korsow with i dj devil owing to fayece well atami here still alive,there is owing to rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj devil aruba has died well grade true i'm still here doing my shit only f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out i'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it only stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry

btw...I wouldn't be sad at all if it were true.  I'd probably have a Margarita (or a few) to celebrate.  just sayin'
 ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance::
 ::MonkeyDevil::




I would join you. ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita::

 ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 18, 2011, 11:38:46 PM
http://www.facebook.com/

Steve Croes
ok so tin rumores ta kore na korsow ku ami dj diablo a fayece well atami aki still alive,there is a rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj diablo aruba has died well not true I'm still here doing my shit so f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out I'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it so stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry


Papiamentu translation:

steve croes ok only have rumores is drive at korsow with i dj devil owing to fayece well atami here still alive,there is owing to rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj devil aruba has died well grade true i'm still here doing my shit only f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out i'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it only stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry

btw...I wouldn't be sad at all if it were true.  I'd probably have a Margarita (or a few) to celebrate.  just sayin'
 ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance::
 ::MonkeyDevil::




I would join you. ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita::

 ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyKiss:: 



 ::MonkeyJnBox::  ::piggy::   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 18, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
http://www.facebook.com/

Steve Croes
ok so tin rumores ta kore na korsow ku ami dj diablo a fayece well atami aki still alive,there is a rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj diablo aruba has died well not true I'm still here doing my shit so f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out I'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it so stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry


Papiamentu translation:

steve croes ok only have rumores is drive at korsow with i dj devil owing to fayece well atami here still alive,there is owing to rumour running on our sister island curacao that dj devil aruba has died well grade true i'm still here doing my shit only f*** those stupid people who wanna scare my family in curacao out i'm alive motha f***ers even if u don't like it only stop talking shit bitches
17 hours ago via BlackBerry

btw...I wouldn't be sad at all if it were true.  I'd probably have a Margarita (or a few) to celebrate.  just sayin'
 ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance::
 ::MonkeyDevil::




I would join you. ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::monkeymargarita::

 ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyKiss:: 


 ::MonkeyJnBox::  ::piggy::   ::MonkeyDevil::

You'd have to join us too!   ::bee:: ::monkeymargarita:: ::bananadance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2011, 12:06:33 AM
Well I can certainly see where that rumor got started  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5269/5633775380_f47a068da1_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 12:11:02 AM
Interesting article, hopefully I can find one that will be easier to understand once it's translated.

I think it boils down to the judge being frustrated to the point of releasing suspects because of discrepancies or "abberations" in the statements taken by police.


http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/30480-hues-indigna-cu-eror-grandi-di-polis-den-proces-verbaal.html



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 12:11:34 AM
Well I can certainly see where that rumor got started  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5269/5633775380_f47a068da1_o.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 12:13:15 AM
And he had his "Joran" shirt on too!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: grace-land on April 19, 2011, 12:27:23 AM
And he had his "Joran" shirt on too!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah...Joran is into new color shirts at his new "home."  His cell has enough of bars stripes.  ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 12:43:10 AM
Good night!   ::MonkeyCool::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

  ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on April 19, 2011, 07:22:51 AM


Visit 2NJ here to get the sites for Natalee's candles.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

God bless 2NJ, Natalee, and Stephany.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 19, 2011, 10:44:26 AM
And he had his "Joran" shirt on too!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

omg rotfflmaoooo


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 19, 2011, 11:18:13 AM
And he had his "Joran" shirt on too!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

omg rotfflmaoooo


I'll never be able to look at another blue plaid shirt without thinking of it as a "Joran Shirt" again... 



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 19, 2011, 02:59:44 PM
Well I can certainly see where that rumor got started  ::MonkeyDevil::

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5269/5633775380_f47a068da1_o.jpg)
Is that a name tag so he remembers who he is or a "If I am lost please call..." above the pocket??


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Northern Rose on April 19, 2011, 03:05:15 PM
Popular Dr. Phil faces three different demands

 ::snipping2::

Dr. Phil also claim two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. At one point, were suspects in the case of Natalee Holloway, a young woman who disappeared during a trip to Aruba.

A 2005 episode of talk show dealt with Natalee. That included scenes of the brothers, recorded with hidden cameras and allegedly edited to give the impression that they were guilty.

The disappearance or death of the girl now attribute it exclusively to a man named Joran Van der Sloot. The Kalpoe believe that Dr. Phil's maligned and require compensation.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.terra.com.mx/entretenimiento/articulo/1091764/Popular+Dr+Phil+enfrenta+tres+distintas+demandas.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2011, 04:07:01 PM
DON'T MISS THE DANA PRETZER SHOW AT 9PM ET TONIGHT!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5635235939_82298fac34_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2011, 05:47:44 PM
Still nothing filed on the decision in the Summary Judgement hearing


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2011, 06:11:37 PM
Popular Dr. Phil faces three different demands

 ::snipping2::

Dr. Phil also claim two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. At one point, were suspects in the case of Natalee Holloway, a young woman who disappeared during a trip to Aruba.

A 2005 episode of talk show dealt with Natalee. That included scenes of the brothers, recorded with hidden cameras and allegedly edited to give the impression that they were guilty.

The disappearance or death of the girl now attribute it exclusively to a man named Joran Van der Sloot. The Kalpoe believe that Dr. Phil's maligned and require compensation.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.terra.com.mx/entretenimiento/articulo/1091764/Popular+Dr+Phil+enfrenta+tres+distintas+demandas.htm

Thanks Northern Rose

While listening to the ABC Special of the Range Rover "confession" ... I KNEW immediately that the Kalpoes' attorneys in the defamation suit against Phil McGraw would embrace Joran's claim that Deepak and Satish did not participate in any wrongdoing against the person of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++

THE KALPOES' INVOLVEMENT

First Arrest

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


<snipped>

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Second Arrest - August, 2005

Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing
Saturday, August 27, 2005 Posted: 0319 GMT (1119 HKT)


(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

<snipped>

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Third Arrest

Aruba's Chief Prosecutor on New Evidence Against Holloway Suspects
Tuesday, November 27, 2007


<snipped>

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

HANS MOS, ARUBA'S CHIEF PROSECUTOR:  And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.

<snipped>
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2011, 06:19:38 PM
Still nothing filed on the decision in the Summary Judgement hearing

Thanks Klaas

With the passing of time and no decision from the court yet filed ... I am somewhat concerned that negotiations may be taking place behind the scenes.

Please reassure me for umpteenth time that I have nothing to be concerned about.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 19, 2011, 06:29:26 PM
Still nothing filed on the decision in the Summary Judgement hearing

Thanks Klaas.   ::bee::

But...but we wanna know NOW!   :gaah: We wanted to know like yesterday!  Wahhhhhhh hahahahahaha!!   ::pullinghairout::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
http://arubafilmfest.com/MediaProd.asp

Valentijn van der Sloot

Director

(http://arubafilmfest.com/Images/Valentijn.jpg)

An Aruba native, Valentijn van der Sloot studies Film and Video Production at Emerson College in Boston. Valentijn has produced several successful student and commercial projects and will direct the in-house media production team for all aspects related to the Aruba International Film Festival.

Tyron Dijkhoff
Editor


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2011, 09:11:42 PM
TUNE IN NOW!

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5635235939_82298fac34_o.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2011, 09:17:12 PM
More from the Dr. Phil team, objections to the objection to the Summary Judgement

Deepak and Satish think they can change their story as much as Joran and we won't remember  ::MonkeyCool:: :



(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5027/5596525990_1ed0f09683_b.jpg)





Hans Mos

Aruban Press Conference 01/06/09
Press Anouncement


Ladies and gentlemen!

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway …

• Amongst the witnesses were the two brothers who previously were suspects in this case but who, by the new statements of Joran, received an alibi from Joran, when he told the under cover that the two brothers are “jerks” who don’t know anything about what had happened … .

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673


William Cremer

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


A judge refused to dismiss a defamation suit Tuesday against CBS and television psychologist "Dr. Phil" McGraw brought by two brothers who were questioned in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

William Cremer, the lead attorney for Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, praised the decision by Superior Court Judge Edward A. Ferns.

"I'm going to take Dr. Phil down," he said outside the courtroom.

The ruling came a day after ABC's "20/20" aired a secretly recorded conversation involving Joran Van der Sloot ....

Cremer said the taped remarks by Van der Sloot, which were secretly recorded by a Dutch crime reporter, help his clients' defamation case.

"It pretty much exonerates my boys, doesn't it?" Cremer said.

<snipped>

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2011, 09:26:39 PM
Hi Sleuth! 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on April 19, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
Hi Sleuth! 
Hi Klaas, good to see you.  Can't wait to hear the results of the Summary Judgement.  I almost wish it would go to trial so that you could report live !


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
Hi Sleuth! 
Hi Klaas, good to see you.  Can't wait to hear the results of the Summary Judgement.  I almost wish it would go to trial so that you could report live !

I know, I'm torn too.  I'm thinking the judge just hasn't made his decision yet OR the courts are just way behind.  I think though if a decision had been made it would have hit the news.

Good to see you too!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Sleuth on April 19, 2011, 09:34:30 PM
Hi Sleuth! 
Hi Klaas, good to see you.  Can't wait to hear the results of the Summary Judgement.  I almost wish it would go to trial so that you could report live !

I know, I'm torn too.  I'm thinking the judge just hasn't made his decision yet OR the courts are just way behind.  I think though if a decision had been made it would have hit the news.

Good to see you too!
I think it just takes a while for the decision to be made.  It is a good thing in that it isn't a snap judgement.

The vandalization of the Betico Croes grave is sickening.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Hi Sleuth! 
Hi Klaas, good to see you.  Can't wait to hear the results of the Summary Judgement.  I almost wish it would go to trial so that you could report live !

I know, I'm torn too.  I'm thinking the judge just hasn't made his decision yet OR the courts are just way behind.  I think though if a decision had been made it would have hit the news.

Good to see you too!
I think it just takes a while for the decision to be made.  It is a good thing in that it isn't a snap judgement.

The vandalization of the Betico Croes grave is sickening.

I am shocked at the Betico Croes incident.  I can't believe anyone would be that disrespectful.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 19, 2011, 09:44:18 PM
Hi Sleuth! 
Hi Klaas, good to see you.  Can't wait to hear the results of the Summary Judgement.  I almost wish it would go to trial so that you could report live !

I know, I'm torn too.  I'm thinking the judge just hasn't made his decision yet OR the courts are just way behind.  I think though if a decision had been made it would have hit the news.

Good to see you too!
I think it just takes a while for the decision to be made.  It is a good thing in that it isn't a snap judgement.

The vandalization of the Betico Croes grave is sickening.

I am shocked at the Betico Croes incident.  I can't believe anyone would be that disrespectful.
It's aruba................................... I'm not shocked at all!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2011, 11:13:55 PM
Anita

If you had the insight that Natalee Holloway's uncle possesses ... your son would not be in a Peruvian lockup and ... a young lady named Stephany would be following her life dreams.  Do you get it now?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++

TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THE MURDER OF STEPHANY FLORES

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of the rest of Joran's life? .... 

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 19, 2011, 11:16:13 PM
Anita

If you had the insight that Natalee Holloway's uncle possesses ... your son would not be in a Peruvian lockup and ... a young lady named Stephany would be following her life dreams.  Do you get it now?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++

TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THE MURDER OF STEPHANY FLORES

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of the rest of Joran's life? .... 

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586

Thanks for that, Tamikosmom! His words are so true!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 11:18:46 PM
Familiar faces...seemingly able to actually solve some crimes in St. Martin?

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6514:reeks-gewelddadige-moordzaken-opgelost&catid=152:artikel-headline-antillen&Itemid=202

Google translation:

Series of brutal murder cases solved

Tuesday, 19 April 2011 5:27 p.m.

(http://amigoenieuws.com/images/stories/19-04-2011/668036.jpg)
Chief prosecutor Hans Mos shows a photograph of a earring an unknown woman. The earring was found In an SUV, which several violent homicides, including an assault, was used.

PHILIPSBURG - Three murders, two violent robberies and a sexual assault between February 26 and March 4 were registered have been resolved through cooperation between local police, the Office of the Attorney General, the police of Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao, the RST Gendarmes and the Royal Marechaussee of French St. Martin. Three men of Dominica, who made use of an illegal taxi were arrested.

The three unresolved murder cases, the death of the French chief cook of the mega yacht Cheetah Moon, Guillevin Ludovic (1937), on February 26 at Mullet Bay Beach was found, and the March 4 murder of F. Louis, who was found in Chopin Road, and E. Nova Valdez, who was found Alexis Arnell Road.

The suspects are three men, born in Dominica: SR (20), CAR (31) and BS (28). They were arrested Thursday, April 7 as two suspects in a violent robbery and assault cases. Two other persons were also arrested but released for lack of evidence.

The suspects occurred as the driver of an illegal taxi, which was drawn out to potential victims. If the victims do not voluntarily boarded the vehicle, they were sometimes forced to resign. They were in the vehicle and beaten to remote places, where they were robbed and murdered or assaulted.

After questioning by detectives, the men have admitted responsibility for the crimes. This is supported by statements of other suspects and found materials.
 ::snipping2::


http://www.thedominican.net/2011/04/dominicans-arrested-for-murders.html

Dominicans arrested in ‘Gypsy taxi’ killings, rapes, and robberies

Staff writer -TDN
Tuesday April 19, 2011
@ 7:15 a.m.

St Maarteen (TDN)-Three men from Dominica are in custody in St Maarten for a string of brutal murders, rapes and robberies that took place in that country earlier this year.

(http://www.thedominican.net/images/article_images/smpolice.jpg)
St Maarten police gives details of the crimes at a press conference.

In custody are Sherwin Roberts (20), Curtley Richards (31) and Julius Serrant (28) all natives of Dominica. They were arrested on Thursday, April 7, and were considered at the time to be the main suspects of two violent robberies and a rape. Two other people also were arrested, but were released later for lack of evidence.

The solved crimes include the death of Megayacht Cheetah Moon French chef Ludovic Guillevin (37), who was found on Mullet Bay Beach on February 26, and the March 4 killings of F. Louis, who was found on Chopin Road, and E. Nova Valdez, who was found on Alexis Arnell Road.

According to St Maarten police the suspects pretended to be operating a gypsy taxi service to pick up potential victims. At times, they forced the victims into the car, ill-treated them, and would then take them to a deserted place to be robbed and sometimes raped or killed.
 ::snipping2::


Interesting article imo...if the authorities in Aruba actually cared about resolving their ever increasing crime problems instead of downplaying the issue...they might consider some of the things mentioned in this article.

http://www.sxmislandtime.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14282%3Astudy-of-crime-needed-in-order-to-deal-with-it-in-a-sustainable-and-long-term-manner-&catid=45%3Aisland-opinions&Itemid=67&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sxmislandtime%2FIslandTimes+%28Island+Times+articles%29

Study of crime needed in order to deal with it in a sustainable and long-term manner      
Written by Roddy Heyliger      
Tuesday, 19 April 2011 18:15
www.sxmislandtime.com

PHILIPSBURG - All the investigating entities who worked diligently in resolving several serious crimes should be highly commended for their success in capturing those responsible.

The apprehension of three individuals who have confessed to the crimes goes a long way in restoring order and a sense of security in the community.

The senseless killings that took place in February and March left the community in shock.

As I have mentioned in the past, as a country we need to understand the root cause of crime on the island in order to develop the appropriate crime fighting strategies.

It will save us time and money especially when we look at the limited resources we have that have to be used wisely.

For example, the three individuals are from overseas. Do they have a legal status to reside on the island? Are they career criminals? Do they have a Police record back home? Did they commit crimes in other countries? How did they get here? Did they arrive illegally or did they overstay when they arrived on the island by plane? How long have they been residing on the island? What has contributed to them turning to crime?

(is anyone else thinking K2 about now????)

Crime and criminals have become trans-national. Persons travel to one island commit crimes and then move on to another island living as a fugitive from justice and possibly committing additional crimes.

The multi-cultural setting of our society demonstrates that law enforcement authorities have to have a close working relationship with other Caribbean islands.
 ::snipping2::
The United States has deported more than 2,000 criminals back to the Caribbean in the past six months, according to figures released by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The figures show that from the start of the 2011 fiscal year in October last year to the end of March this year, 88,497 criminal "aliens" or migrants were deported to their country of birth in the Latin/ America and the Caribbean region. A "criminal alien" is defined under U.S. immigration laws as a migrant who is convicted of a crime.
 ::snipping2::
So far this fiscal year, 50 migrants have been sent back to Aruba
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 19, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
For some reason -- Ithought hans Mos had gone back to the Netherlands.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 11:23:25 PM
For some reason -- Ithought hans Mos had gone back to the Netherlands.

IIRC the reports were that he WAS being sent back to the Netherlands...but then he ended up going to St. Martin.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 11:39:13 PM
It wasn't me...honest!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.thedominican.net/2011/04/dominicans-arrested-for-murders.html

Guest · 7 minutes ago
You can't trust Mos or De Witt as they are part of some of the most corrupt officials on earth. Look at what they did in the Holloway case!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 19, 2011, 11:41:35 PM
It wasn't me...honest!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.thedominican.net/2011/04/dominicans-arrested-for-murders.html

Guest · 7 minutes ago
You can't trust Mos or De Witt as they are part of some of the most corrupt officials on earth. Look at what they did in the Holloway case!

I think I'm gonna change my name to "Cheetah Moon"!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 11:46:59 PM
It wasn't me...honest!    ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.thedominican.net/2011/04/dominicans-arrested-for-murders.html

Guest · 7 minutes ago
You can't trust Mos or De Witt as they are part of some of the most corrupt officials on earth. Look at what they did in the Holloway case!

I think I'm gonna change my name to "Cheetah Moon"!  ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: wreck on April 19, 2011, 11:47:39 PM
I think the lack of a decision in the "Summary Judgment" motion is probably a good sign. If Dr. Phil's argument was weak -- the judge would most likely send it to trial immediately. IMO -- the judge wants to appear to be very thorough, before throwing the case out. But, hey -- I think I have been wrong once or twice before!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

(I still would LOVE a trial -- I just don't think it will happen!)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2011, 11:56:44 PM
I think the lack of a decision in the "Summary Judgment" motion is probably a good sign. If Dr. Phil's argument was weak -- the judge would most likely send it to trial immediately. IMO -- the judge wants to appear to be very thorough, before throwing the case out. But, hey -- I think I have been wrong once or twice before!!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

(I still would LOVE a trial -- I just don't think it will happen!)

I've been thinking along the same lines...   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 12:05:01 AM
Hi Sleuth! 
Hi Klaas, good to see you.  Can't wait to hear the results of the Summary Judgement.  I almost wish it would go to trial so that you could report live !

I've been looking forward to that too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 01:38:47 AM

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

  ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 01:40:01 AM


Visit 2NJ here to get the sites for Natalee's candles.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

God bless 2NJ, Natalee, and Stephany.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 01:40:25 AM

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

  ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 10:37:07 AM
 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on April 20, 2011, 10:42:45 AM
GOOD DAY AND GOD BLESS

2NJ KNOWS

JUSTICE IS COMING



 ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 02:48:29 PM
The Merryweather's will remain free until their case for illegal weapons found in their home goes to trial.

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/30623-tata-y-yiu-merryweather-ta-keda-liber.html

Papiamentu translation:

father y child merryweather is stay pound

wednesday, 20 april 2011 13:09

corte superior did take one decision end on the kortgeding cu ministerio publico owing to entama after cu huez comisario owing to let the father y child merryweather in freedom. they was close for pocision of arm ilegalmente in they cas. was in one razzia cu owing to achieve this in the cas. the razzia was relaciona cu fraude of tax. they not owing to stay deteni for esey but for her armanan achieve. by cu ministerio publico have one maneho strong contra armanan illegal owing to place cu they dificilmente can owing to acepta cu the two miembronan of family owing to wordo let pound. in corte during the kortgeding entama for ministerio publico contra the decision of huez comisario owing to stay demostra by of abogadonan cu the maneho is uno of ministerio publico y not according ley. finalmente diaranzon the decision owing to cay cu will let the father y child merryweather in freedom y is rechaza the demanda of ministerio publico. esey nifica cu kizas they have to come in corte tog for atende cu they caso.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 03:04:21 PM
Video in English at the link, interview with a tourist (who has been visiting the island for 9 years) regarding this crime and crime on the island in general.

IMO, The man they interviewed obviously doesn't follow the news in Aruba very closely at all...  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7008&offId=0&offDate=2011-4

Papiamentu translation:

4 hora happen | fecha: 20/04/2011 | horario: 10:34

this is one ad earnest for autoridadnan y gobierno, at aruba turistanan is sacando photograph of criminalidad cu is escalando

gobierno have to place atencion urgente at criminalidad at aruba already cu this day slow day is escalando y do not see none adelanto in the combate contra criminalidad but encambio is perhudicando the trabao policial principalmente esnan cu have cu deal cu the criminalnan more dangerous (debi cu the is algo much delicado we do not menciona detaye of this still, but this is haci one efecto cu now the criminalnan ey have free hands for haci deshaci). we is one island cu is depende of turism y if the turistanan follow take away the actonan criminal afo this maybe one danger big for we industry turistico. diaranzon morning one tourist cu owing to bay at bushiribana for saca photograph of locual cu for her all morning the exit of sun is one espectaculo, but ela come across police y bombero at the sitio y looking at one car full burn y is saca several photograph of this also. we owing to acerke y owing to talk cune y owing to give we the next interview. listen for you self what the tourist is think of the casonan so here. come across

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7008/2_1303310104.jpg)

(http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/7008/5_1303310104.jpg)

More pictures from the scene at the gold mine ruins here.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=7007&offId=0&offDate=2011-4


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 03:31:47 PM
Natalee Holloway Case Related Highlights

1.  04/14/11 - Motion for Summary Judgement Hearing
2.  00/00/11 - Morion for Summary Judgement Ruling
3.  05/09/11 - "Justice for Natalee Holloway" Lifetime Movie
4.  05/11/11 - "Vanished" Lifetime Series with Beth Holloway
5.  06/13/11 - Trial (?)

+++++

Lifetime Original Movie "Justice for Natalee Holloway" to Premiere May 9, Followed by Sneak Peek of True-Life Series "Vanished with Beth Holloway"
By Bill Gorman– April 11, 2011


Vanished with Beth Holloway to Begin Airing in its Regularly Scheduled Time Period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 PM ET/PT.

LOS ANGELES (April 11, 2011) – Lifetime Television’s Original Movie, Justice for Natalee Holloway, a follow-up to the Lifetime Movie Network original Natalee Holloway, will premiere on Monday, May 9, at 9 pm ET/PT.

Immediately following Justice for Natalee Holloway at 11 pm ET/PT, Lifetime will debut a sneak peek of the true-life series, Vanished with Beth Holloway. The one-hour docu-reality program explores first-hand real-life mysteries of families who have been victimized by unsolved abductions, disappearances and unspeakable crimes, with Holloway offering a uniquely empathetic point of view to the loved ones that have been left behind. Lifetime has ordered 10 episodes of Vanished with Beth Holloway, which will begin airing in its regularly scheduled time period on Wednesday, May 11, at 9 pm ET/PT.

ABOUT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

As a follow up to the original movie Natalee Holloway, the Lifetime Original Movie Justice for Natalee Holloway closes in on the ongoing mystery of what exactly happened to the Alabama teenager who in 2005 mysteriously disappeared during her senior class trip to Aruba. Four years after Natalee went missing, Joran van der Sloot (Stephen Amell, The Vampire Diaries), one of the last persons to see her alive, continues to torment her grieving mother Beth by providing false information about Natalee’s fate, yet denying any responsibility for what happened to her. Tracy Pollan (Natalee Holloway, Law & Order: Special Victims Unit) reprises her role as Beth Holloway.

Growing more arrogant about his professed innocence and finding himself increasingly in debt as his life and gambling habits spiral out of control, van der Sloot does the unthinkable by demanding $250,000 from Beth to reveal the exact location of Natalee’s remains. Intent on bringing her daughter’s alleged murderer to justice, Beth once again partners with the FBI and other authorities to find and arrest him. But before they can, the saga takes another twisted turn when van der Sloot allegedly murders a young Peruvian woman on the 5th anniversary of Natalee’s tragic disappearance.

<snipped>

ABOUT VANISHED WITH BETH HOLLOWAY

Lifetime’s gripping true-life series Vanished with Beth Holloway examines some of America’s most disturbing unsolved cases as told to Holloway by the families who’ve been victimized by mysterious abductions or disappearances of loved ones and unspeakable crimes. Now left with little hope, they turn to Holloway, who continues to live a mother’s worst nightmare as she carries on her tireless quest to uncover the mystery surrounding her daughter Natalee’s tragic 2005 disappearance. A passionate advocate for these families, Beth offers her unique insight into each case, dedicating her intensely personal point-of-view and empathy to family and loved ones seeking answers. Each episode will profile real-life mysteries, giving detailed accounts of the events described by those closest to the victims as Beth goes on location to conduct key interviews, introduce important facts and give the audience a clear understanding of pivotal moments in each harrowing case.

<snipped>

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/11/lifetime-original-movie-justice-for-natalee-holloway-to-premiere-may-9-followed-by-sneak-peek-of-true-life-series-vanished-with-beth-holloway/88963



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 03:38:56 PM
Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)
-------------

 04/14/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Submitted


04/12/2011 Notice of Lodging
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

<snipped by Tamikosmom>


BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 03:50:48 PM
Still nothing on the Summary Judgement


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: MuffyBee on April 20, 2011, 03:54:20 PM
Still nothing on the Summary Judgement

Thank you Klaas.  I guess no news is good news at this point. 


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 20, 2011, 03:58:58 PM
Still nothing on the Summary Judgement

Thanks Klaas

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tater on April 20, 2011, 04:50:32 PM
Hi Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Just dropped in after returning from the store and seeing the National Enquirer with Natalee's picture plastered on the front of it claiming she was buried in a grave with someone else.Of course I had to buy it ya know but it's pretty vague to say the least.Been trying to catch up here alittle but not seeing anything about it.In a nutshell,have we any hope?Hugs to all.:)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 05:03:53 PM
Hi Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Just dropped in after returning from the store and seeing the National Enquirer with Natalee's picture plastered on the front of it claiming she was buried in a grave with someone else.Of course I had to buy it ya know but it's pretty vague to say the least.Been trying to catch up here alittle but not seeing anything about it.In a nutshell,have we any hope?Hugs to all.:)

Hi Tater - I posted it a couple pages back.  Just like you I "had" to buy it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 05:30:29 PM
Hi Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Just dropped in after returning from the store and seeing the National Enquirer with Natalee's picture plastered on the front of it claiming she was buried in a grave with someone else.Of course I had to buy it ya know but it's pretty vague to say the least.Been trying to catch up here alittle but not seeing anything about it.In a nutshell,have we any hope?Hugs to all.:)

Hi Tater - I posted it a couple pages back.  Just like you I "had" to buy it  ::MonkeyCool::

DH brought it home for me last night too.  He was shocked to hear that I knew all about it already!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 05:37:02 PM
The Merryweather's will remain free until their case for illegal weapons found in their home goes to trial.

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/30623-tata-y-yiu-merryweather-ta-keda-liber.html

Papiamentu translation:

father y child merryweather is stay pound

wednesday, 20 april 2011 13:09

corte superior did take one decision end on the kortgeding cu ministerio publico owing to entama after cu huez comisario owing to let the father y child merryweather in freedom. they was close for pocision of arm ilegalmente in they cas. was in one razzia cu owing to achieve this in the cas. the razzia was relaciona cu fraude of tax. they not owing to stay deteni for esey but for her armanan achieve. by cu ministerio publico have one maneho strong contra armanan illegal owing to place cu they dificilmente can owing to acepta cu the two miembronan of family owing to wordo let pound. in corte during the kortgeding entama for ministerio publico contra the decision of huez comisario owing to stay demostra by of abogadonan cu the maneho is uno of ministerio publico y not according ley. finalmente diaranzon the decision owing to cay cu will let the father y child merryweather in freedom y is rechaza the demanda of ministerio publico. esey nifica cu kizas they have to come in corte tog for atende cu they caso.

http://www.24ora.com/corte-mainmenu-29/30623-tata-y-yiu-merryweather-ta-keda-liber.html

Comment:
Scirbi pa Curashi, April 20, 2011   
Sooo petje af pa e jeuz supuestamente integro cu ta midi cu dos midi.E siguiente persona nan cu wordu haya cu arma tambe lo keda den libertad???Y kiko di tur esnan cu si mester a keda encarcela pa e mesun motibo te dia cu nan caso a sali dilanti??? OjO e jueznan tambe tin nan misterio...increibel!!!

Papiamentu translation:

scirbi for curashi, april 20, 2011
sooo petje af for her jeuz supuestamente integro cu is measure cu two measure.e next person they cu wordu achieve cu arm also will stay in freedom???y what of all esnan cu if have to owing to stay encarcela for her same motibo till day cu they caso owing to leave fast??? ojo the jueznan also have they enigma...increibel!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 20, 2011, 07:04:38 PM
Still nothing on the Summary Judgement

Thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: Tater on April 20, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
Hi Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Just dropped in after returning from the store and seeing the National Enquirer with Natalee's picture plastered on the front of it claiming she was buried in a grave with someone else.Of course I had to buy it ya know but it's pretty vague to say the least.Been trying to catch up here alittle but not seeing anything about it.In a nutshell,have we any hope?Hugs to all.:)

Hi Tater - I posted it a couple pages back.  Just like you I "had" to buy it  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Klaas!!! I've got myself quite a collection now,lol..Hubby said."why in the world did you buy that"? Then he saw her picture and said,"Ohhhhhhh,what's it say"? I told him and he asked me if he needed to go get some tums for me..Haaaa!! I guess there is no truth anywhere to the story?


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: can on April 20, 2011, 07:05:49 PM
Hi Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Just dropped in after returning from the store and seeing the National Enquirer with Natalee's picture plastered on the front of it claiming she was buried in a grave with someone else.Of course I had to buy it ya know but it's pretty vague to say the least.Been trying to catch up here alittle but not seeing anything about it.In a nutshell,have we any hope?Hugs to all.:)

Hi Tater - I posted it a couple pages back.  Just like you I "had" to buy it  ::MonkeyCool::

DH brought it home for me last night too.  He was shocked to hear that I knew all about it already!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Aww texasmom, you ruined his surprise!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 07:43:07 PM
Hi Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Just dropped in after returning from the store and seeing the National Enquirer with Natalee's picture plastered on the front of it claiming she was buried in a grave with someone else.Of course I had to buy it ya know but it's pretty vague to say the least.Been trying to catch up here alittle but not seeing anything about it.In a nutshell,have we any hope?Hugs to all.:)

Hi Tater - I posted it a couple pages back.  Just like you I "had" to buy it  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Klaas!!! I've got myself quite a collection now,lol..Hubby said."why in the world did you buy that"? Then he saw her picture and said,"Ohhhhhhh,what's it say"? I told him and he asked me if he needed to go get some tums for me..Haaaa!! I guess there is no truth anywhere to the story?

We have no idea if there is truth to the story.  I suppose like everything else in this case MAYBE  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
Hi Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Just dropped in after returning from the store and seeing the National Enquirer with Natalee's picture plastered on the front of it claiming she was buried in a grave with someone else.Of course I had to buy it ya know but it's pretty vague to say the least.Been trying to catch up here alittle but not seeing anything about it.In a nutshell,have we any hope?Hugs to all.:)

Hi Tater - I posted it a couple pages back.  Just like you I "had" to buy it  ::MonkeyCool::

DH brought it home for me last night too.  He was shocked to hear that I knew all about it already!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  Aww texasmom, you ruined his surprise!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thanked him profusely for buying it, the last time he saw something in one of the tabloids at the grocery store he could only tell me that something was on the cover...not what it was about!  I figure he was just being safe this time...rather than deal with me wondering...but not knowing WTH it was!
 
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:10:21 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: texasmom on April 20, 2011, 08:11:16 PM

::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Stephany%20Flores/StephanyFlores_takentoosoon-1.jpg)

AND STEPHANY!

  ::justice2NJ::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 -
Post by: klaasend on April 20, 2011, 08:14:06 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/5435599482_8cf4eaf2dc_o.gif)

Please move to NCD #858

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9630.0