Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 - 12/6/08

[Elaine]

Thanks Dana and Red!  I hope Dana can get Jan vd Straten and Rudy Croes to come on the show! 

 

if he does you are going to laugh at Rudy Croes speaking.
it constantly sounds like he is snorting something up his nose.

Perhaps Ol Rudy is a cokehead like a lot of others on that lil Island. 

[AZLady]

Can we talk about those pic from 12/30/07 again?  This really has me scratching my head.  Who provided the pic with the time stamp of 15:40?  If that pic was taken with the same ROV that took the 15:39 thumbs down pic, how did they not see the 15:40 pic back on the Persistance?

That picture came from Kyle so it was from the ROV but not part of the Dateline special.

So within 60 seconds of a thumbs down that image was captured by the ROV and nobody on the Persistance at that time made any comments about it and Dateline did not show it?  I'm not sure what to make of that.

Exactly

LOL.  Actually I think I may know what to make of that, but the particulars are not present at this time so I guess I will hang on to it until another time.

The script for Dateline was written and the video is edited to fit the audio.  Whatever doesn't fit the "story" is edited out.

[caesu]

Thanks Dana and Red!  I hope Dana can get Jan vd Straten and Rudy Croes to come on the show! 

 

if he does you are going to laugh at Rudy Croes speaking.
it constantly sounds like he is snorting something up his nose.

Perhaps Ol Rudy is a cokehead like a lot of others on that lil Island. 

<a href="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RudySnort.swf" target="_blank">http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RudySnort.swf</a>

here you can listen to it. 

[truthseeker2]

Can we talk about those pic from 12/30/07 again?  This really has me scratching my head.  Who provided the pic with the time stamp of 15:40?  If that pic was taken with the same ROV that took the 15:39 thumbs down pic, how did they not see the 15:40 pic back on the Persistance?

That picture came from Kyle so it was from the ROV but not part of the Dateline special.

So within 60 seconds of a thumbs down that image was captured by the ROV and nobody on the Persistance at that time made any comments about it and Dateline did not show it?  I'm not sure what to make of that.

Exactly

LOL.  Actually I think I may know what to make of that, but the particulars are not present at this time so I guess I will hang on to it until another time.

The script for Dateline was written and the video is edited to fit the audio.  Whatever doesn't fit the "story" is edited out.

I know what you mean, but you have Tim Miller on board that day.  If I believe anyone in this whole search scenario it's him.  He would have seen that image if it was taken by that ROV and I do believe he would have said something by now.

[Helen Back]

caesu,


 

Eeeeeeewwwww!

 

[wreck]

Can we talk about those pic from 12/30/07 again?  This really has me scratching my head.  Who provided the pic with the time stamp of 15:40?  If that pic was taken with the same ROV that took the 15:39 thumbs down pic, how did they not see the 15:40 pic back on the Persistance?

That picture came from Kyle so it was from the ROV but not part of the Dateline special.

So within 60 seconds of a thumbs down that image was captured by the ROV and nobody on the Persistance at that time made any comments about it and Dateline did not show it?  I'm not sure what to make of that.

Exactly

LOL.  Actually I think I may know what to make of that, but the particulars are not present at this time so I guess I will hang on to it until another time.

The script for Dateline was written and the video is edited to fit the audio.  Whatever doesn't fit the "story" is edited out.

I know what you mean, but you have Tim Miller on board that day.  If I believe anyone in this whole search scenario it's him.  He would have seen that image if it was taken by that ROV and I do believe he would have said something by now.

Not if the FAMILY told him to keep it under wraps as well.

[Elaine]

Thanks Dana and Red!  I hope Dana can get Jan vd Straten and Rudy Croes to come on the show! 

 

if he does you are going to laugh at Rudy Croes speaking.
it constantly sounds like he is snorting something up his nose.

Perhaps Ol Rudy is a cokehead like a lot of others on that lil Island. 

<a href="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RudySnort.swf" target="_blank">http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RudySnort.swf</a>

here you can listen to it. 

LMAO... yes that does sound like that snort they do after that get that little coke drip, yes I have known a few coke  addicts. 

[truthseeker2]

Can we talk about those pic from 12/30/07 again?  This really has me scratching my head.  Who provided the pic with the time stamp of 15:40?  If that pic was taken with the same ROV that took the 15:39 thumbs down pic, how did they not see the 15:40 pic back on the Persistance?

That picture came from Kyle so it was from the ROV but not part of the Dateline special.

So within 60 seconds of a thumbs down that image was captured by the ROV and nobody on the Persistance at that time made any comments about it and Dateline did not show it?  I'm not sure what to make of that.

Exactly

LOL.  Actually I think I may know what to make of that, but the particulars are not present at this time so I guess I will hang on to it until another time.

The script for Dateline was written and the video is edited to fit the audio.  Whatever doesn't fit the "story" is edited out.

I know what you mean, but you have Tim Miller on board that day.  If I believe anyone in this whole search scenario it's him.  He would have seen that image if it was taken by that ROV and I do believe he would have said something by now.

Not if the FAMILY told him to keep it under wraps as well.

And Dateline was told to keep it under wraps?  A scoop like that?  Hmm.  Don't know about that.

[texasmom]

caesu,


 

Eeeeeeewwwww!

 

yep, that was gross!   

[klaasend]

<a href="http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RudySnort.swf" target="_blank">http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RudySnort.swf</a>

here you can listen to it. 

OMG, I actually forgot I put that one together, LOLOL 

[wreck]

Can we talk about those pic from 12/30/07 again?  This really has me scratching my head.  Who provided the pic with the time stamp of 15:40?  If that pic was taken with the same ROV that took the 15:39 thumbs down pic, how did they not see the 15:40 pic back on the Persistance?

That picture came from Kyle so it was from the ROV but not part of the Dateline special.

So within 60 seconds of a thumbs down that image was captured by the ROV and nobody on the Persistance at that time made any comments about it and Dateline did not show it?  I'm not sure what to make of that.

Exactly

LOL.  Actually I think I may know what to make of that, but the particulars are not present at this time so I guess I will hang on to it until another time.

The script for Dateline was written and the video is edited to fit the audio.  Whatever doesn't fit the "story" is edited out.

I know what you mean, but you have Tim Miller on board that day.  If I believe anyone in this whole search scenario it's him.  He would have seen that image if it was taken by that ROV and I do believe he would have said something by now.

Not if the FAMILY told him to keep it under wraps as well.

And Dateline was told to keep it under wraps?  A scoop like that?  Hmm.  Don't know about that.

Dateline was duped not told to be quiet (I think). If you want to go total "conspiracy"  theory --- perhaps just the few crew from "Dateline" were bribed.

[truthseeker2]

Wreck,
I don't want to go 'total conspiracy theory'.  I want to apply a little logic to this whole pictures from the fish trap show.  You have 60 seconds, mind you, 60 seconds after a 'thumbs down' until that image is captured with Tim Miller and Dateline sitting right there...and no one has said a word about it until these pics show up on a website?  And we are hearing that someone is trying to make deals on these pics with networks...when Dateline should already have that very moment captured on their video...but we never saw it?  Dateline would have LOVED to have such a scoop back then, but ... nothing.

Something isn't right.

[casa]

Be careful what you believe.Others who speak for the family are not so truthful

[truthseeker2]

Be careful what you believe.Others who speak for the family are not so truthful

Can you elaborate?  Am I going in the wrong direction here?

[billb's daughter]

Wreck,
I don't want to go 'total conspiracy theory'.  I want to apply a little logic to this whole pictures from the fish trap show.  You have 60 seconds, mind you, 60 seconds after a 'thumbs down' until that image is captured with Tim Miller and Dateline sitting right there...and no one has said a word about it until these pics show up on a website?  And we are hearing that someone is trying to make deals on these pics with networks...when Dateline should already have that very moment captured on their video...but we never saw it?  Dateline would have LOVED to have such a scoop back then, but ... nothing.

Something isn't right.

Not too hard to explain if:
On board Persistence, Dateline is filming the monitors that capture the ROV pictures in real time....Dateline crew is all about capturing the thumbs up/down sign from the diver...once done....Dateline camera stops recording....all in room react to thumbs down and no longer attentive to the ROV camera......Add to that, it would not have been uncommon for the ROV monitor operator to not focus on the continuing filming by ROV and/or even shutting down the monitor (whether intentional or not) and therefore the filming taking place 60 secs later is missed by all or most in the room....
 

[truthseeker2]

Wreck,
I don't want to go 'total conspiracy theory'.  I want to apply a little logic to this whole pictures from the fish trap show.  You have 60 seconds, mind you, 60 seconds after a 'thumbs down' until that image is captured with Tim Miller and Dateline sitting right there...and no one has said a word about it until these pics show up on a website?  And we are hearing that someone is trying to make deals on these pics with networks...when Dateline should already have that very moment captured on their video...but we never saw it?  Dateline would have LOVED to have such a scoop back then, but ... nothing.

Something isn't right.

Not too hard to explain if:
On board Persistence, Dateline is filming the monitors that capture the ROV pictures in real time....Dateline crew is all about capturing the thumbs up/down sign from the diver...once done....Dateline camera stops recording....all in room react to thumbs down and no longer attentive to the ROV camera......Add to that, it would not have been uncommon for the ROV monitor operator to not focus on the continuing filming by ROV and/or even shutting down the monitor (whether intentional or not) and therefore the filming taking place 60 secs later is missed by all or most in the room....
 

The ROV was not shut down.  It was manuevered into that position and the focus indicators show it 8 feet from the focus point in the 15:40 shot.  You can also see that everyone was still looking at the monitors as shown in the pic with the time stamp 15:43.  This was on the Dateline footage.  A mere four minutes after the thumbs down.

[billb's daughter]

Wreck,
I don't want to go 'total conspiracy theory'.  I want to apply a little logic to this whole pictures from the fish trap show.  You have 60 seconds, mind you, 60 seconds after a 'thumbs down' until that image is captured with Tim Miller and Dateline sitting right there...and no one has said a word about it until these pics show up on a website?  And we are hearing that someone is trying to make deals on these pics with networks...when Dateline should already have that very moment captured on their video...but we never saw it?  Dateline would have LOVED to have such a scoop back then, but ... nothing.

Something isn't right.

Not too hard to explain if:
On board Persistence, Dateline is filming the monitors that capture the ROV pictures in real time....Dateline crew is all about capturing the thumbs up/down sign from the diver...once done....Dateline camera stops recording....all in room react to thumbs down and no longer attentive to the ROV camera......Add to that, it would not have been uncommon for the ROV monitor operator to not focus on the continuing filming by ROV and/or even shutting down the monitor (whether intentional or not) and therefore the filming taking place 60 secs later is missed by all or most in the room....
 

The ROV was not shut down.  It was manuevered into that position and the focus indicators show it 8 feet from the focus point in the 15:40 shot.  You can also see that everyone was still looking at the monitors as shown in the pic with the time stamp 15:43.  This was on the Dateline footage.  A mere four minutes after the thumbs down.

Please bring the screen shots forward again as I'm not sure what you are referring too...
Thanks in advance

[truthseeker2]

DECEMBER 30

Blonde - the photograph of the three divers was taken at 3:38 on the 30th.  Do we have a time stamp on the other cage photographs for the same day?

Yes I did these screen shots myself





All here http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.20

The ROV is controlled from someone onboard the ship.  Is it my imagination or is the angle of the camera on the ROV being set so the lens does not pan on the left side of the cage where the reamins, shoe, and skirt are located?

On the ship it's a Slanted Screen this is NOT Tim Miller hand  but he was on the ship


VIDEO http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23302471#23302581

Oh My God, Blonde.  The timestamp next to Tim Millers hand shows 13 minutes later.  Tim was reported to be off the ship on June 7th when the cage contents were taken by ALE, but he was onbaord during this film sequence.  Please someone, say it isn't so.

NOT TIM'S HAND BUT TIM WAS STANDING NEXT TO THE GUY WHO POINTED

[casa]

Be careful what you believe.Others who speak for the family are not so truthful

Can you elaborate?  Am I going in the wrong direction here?

Unfortunately I cannot elaborate.  I wish I could.  All I can say is be careful who you believe.

[Magnolia]

Wreck,
I don't want to go 'total conspiracy theory'.  I want to apply a little logic to this whole pictures from the fish trap show.  You have 60 seconds, mind you, 60 seconds after a 'thumbs down' until that image is captured with Tim Miller and Dateline sitting right there...and no one has said a word about it until these pics show up on a website?  And we are hearing that someone is trying to make deals on these pics with networks...when Dateline should already have that very moment captured on their video...but we never saw it?  Dateline would have LOVED to have such a scoop back then, but ... nothing.

Something isn't right.

Not too hard to explain if:
On board Persistence, Dateline is filming the monitors that capture the ROV pictures in real time....Dateline crew is all about capturing the thumbs up/down sign from the diver...once done....Dateline camera stops recording....all in room react to thumbs down and no longer attentive to the ROV camera......Add to that, it would not have been uncommon for the ROV monitor operator to not focus on the continuing filming by ROV and/or even shutting down the monitor (whether intentional or not) and therefore the filming taking place 60 secs later is missed by all or most in the room....
 

The ROV was not shut down.  It was manuevered into that position and the focus indicators show it 8 feet from the focus point in the 15:40 shot.  You can also see that everyone was still looking at the monitors as shown in the pic with the time stamp 15:43.  This was on the Dateline footage.  A mere four minutes after the thumbs down.

Truthseeker, what do you think is the explanation?