Caylee Marie Anthony #153 12/09/09 - 12/16/09

[cookie]

Hi Monkeys and Guests, I don't post that often but I am sure in the rafters a lot. It's probably about time to climb on down.  I keep thinking about this chloroform. I think Casey had been experimenting with it for some time possibly beginning with Amy. 

The night that Casey stayed over at Amy's house and in the morning Amy's pants were changed
and her money was missing. I believe it was like 400.00 and Casey convinced her she
was sleep walking and changed her pants and hid her money to keep it in a safe place. 
After all it was money for her trip to Puerto Rica.

Well what if Casey chloroformed her? She could have had a little bottle of it in her purse
and when Amy went to sleep she put some on a rag and held it close to her nose, she surely
would not wake up while Casey changed her pants and stole her money.  What bizarre behavior.
I would put nothing beyond what Casey would do or steal or say for that matter.

So this brings me to the discovery time before last with the bottle with the syringe in it. I know it was said there were minute amounts of chloroform in there but it was there for quite awhile.
Would not chloroform loose it's strength over that amount of time exposed to the elements?

I really don't know but I just get this chloroform business out of my head. I am looking forward to the trial and hopefully the truth will come out.  One thing I am sure of there will be justice for little Caylee.

Hi Carol! I would not put anything past Casey, nothing!

[Northern Rose]

OMG Does she have a husband?  Poor thing.  The husband I mean.

 

She might not have a hubby but she does have a daughter..I read this article on her quite long but interesting.
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/who-is-andrea-lyon-will-she-save-casey-anthony/

She has a hubby.  I found a picture of him some time ago. Let me dig and see if I saved it.

[Brandi]

Hi Monkeys and Guests, I don't post that often but I am sure in the rafters a lot. It's probably about time to climb on down.  I keep thinking about this chloroform. I think Casey had been experimenting with it for some time possibly beginning with Amy. 

The night that Casey stayed over at Amy's house and in the morning Amy's pants were changed
and her money was missing. I believe it was like 400.00 and Casey convinced her she
was sleep walking and changed her pants and hid her money to keep it in a safe place. 
After all it was money for her trip to Puerto Rica.

Well what if Casey chloroformed her? She could have had a little bottle of it in her purse
and when Amy went to sleep she put some on a rag and held it close to her nose, she surely
would not wake up while Casey changed her pants and stole her money.  What bizarre behavior.
I would put nothing beyond what Casey would do or steal or say for that matter.

So this brings me to the discovery time before last with the bottle with the syringe in it. I know it was said there were minute amounts of chloroform in there but it was there for quite awhile.
Would not chloroform loose it's strength over that amount of time exposed to the elements?

I really don't know but I just get this chloroform business out of my head. I am looking forward to the trial and hopefully the truth will come out.  One thing I am sure of there will be justice for little Caylee.

Hi CarolF. I agree, it is very possible that Casey used chloroform on Amy the night she stole that cash from her. I put very little past Casey.

I also very anxious for the trials. Both the check fraud trial and the murder trial. And I share your optimism that justice will be served for little Caylee. By the State of Florida.

You should post more often!

[Northern Rose]

Arnold Glass & Andrea Lyon - June 7th, 2009 at 12:48pm - Email
Mary Helen was one classy lady. She sold my wife and I our first house in Ann Arbor and was our first friend in the city upon our moving from Chicago to the area. We are shocked and sadden about her passing and the family is in our prayers. May God bless you and keep you in his care.
http://niefuneralhomes.com/?siteid=32&action=1&value=12&menuitem=134&obituaries_action=5&obituaryid=24958&obituaries_page=2

Arnold Glass, EDU & Andrea Lyon
alumni.depaul.edu/_download/AR0607.pdf

Andrea Lyon: Fighting for lives, believing in redemption. NUMBER8. VOLUME 30 .... for her husband, Arnold Glass. With each visit to Lyon's home
www.andrealyon.com/linked/adlchicagolawyer.pdf

[loca]

loca..I agree with you about Lyons...hard to imagine her being seductive...ewww...I just threw up in my mouth a little bit thinking about it...

Perhaps the formidable MIZZ Lyons is at the top of the bell curve as far as improving her look. The raw materials she was given to work with are challenging, dare I say...problematic?     If she put on more makeup it would look cartoony. If she got a really sleek hairdo she might look bottom heavy. Finding stylish clothes in plus extra tall must be hard (except never in a million years will I forget the lace up the back suit that LKB had on that time   ) as far as seductive.....hmmm  my first guess would be that's a no brainer, black leather, fringe, whip, spiked
collar. All just my little ol opinion! 
I'm going to go easy on her, my aunt was a large, tall woman who had a heart of gold but was also shorted in the pretty department, she was a nun, the old school kind. Long brown habit, white collar and extremely sensible shoes but all of my life I tried to envision her in a nice dress and high heels but the mental picture always came back very similar to Lyons!
I'm going to keep Lyons firmly in my head as the Amazon Woman, defender of a babykiller. Wouldn't matter if she was a goddess , her arrogance would always make her seem ugly.
  wonder what Santa will bring Casey?   

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lol    Cookie!  She looks to much like a prison mattress! Maybe she is into the whips and chains/ handcuffs ! I don't get it she has enuff money for a maneover or cosmetic surgery! She must look intimidating to the males! Wonder if Baez is afraid of her! Lol

[CarolF]

I also think that if Cindy and George were to go and visit with Casey she would blow her top at them for the Memorial, cremation, cruises, plastic surgery and a whole host of other things. That would definitely be an interesting watch.

Yesterday AL was so full of herself.  She is blowing in the wind there is no defence for Casey that could or would stand up. IMHO

[bikerbev]

I also think that if Cindy and George were to go and visit with Casey she would blow her top at them for the Memorial, cremation, cruises, plastic surgery and a whole host of other things. That would definitely be an interesting watch.

Yesterday AL was so full of herself.  She is blowing in the wind there is no defence for Casey that could or would stand up. IMHO

Okay, who had plastic surgery?

[Green Eyes]

I also think that if Cindy and George were to go and visit with Casey she would blow her top at them for the Memorial, cremation, cruises, plastic surgery and a whole host of other things. That would definitely be an interesting watch.

Yesterday AL was so full of herself.  She is blowing in the wind there is no defence for Casey that could or would stand up. IMHO

Okay, who had plastic surgery?

It looks like Cindy did.

[cecilita]

HI mONKEYS..
Watchin the court viedeo of friday 11....I noticed that when Casey heard how caylee may died with the duct tape...she move her head like she is saying  "no" it didnt happen like that....but her reaction was very specific at the moment she heard how caylee could be killed with the tape.....

[cecilita]

I also think that if Cindy and George were to go and visit with Casey she would blow her top at them for the Memorial, cremation, cruises, plastic surgery and a whole host of other things. That would definitely be an interesting watch.

Yesterday AL was so full of herself.  She is blowing in the wind there is no defence for Casey that could or would stand up. IMHO

Okay, who had plastic surgery?

It looks like Cindy did.

that is the reason that she tried to cover her face with the elevator door....

[Puzzler]

About the duct tape....interesting:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/?cat=3


Will Duct Tape be Casey’s Sticking Point? – Loose Ends

[Rowanvamp0]

OMG Does she have a husband?  Poor thing.  The husband I mean.

 

She might not have a hubby but she does have a daughter..I read this article on her quite long but interesting.
http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/who-is-andrea-lyon-will-she-save-casey-anthony/

Here's a Lyons Quote from that page “Killing is wrong,” says Lyon. “Morally wrong. ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ you know?   Then my opinion/question would be how could she consciously defend Casey..I know what your all saying presumption of innocence..sorry just had to put this out there after all that has been said in the motion hearings on Friday.

[bikerbev]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21931324/index.html
Right at the very beginning of this, after the prosecution says that the duct tape was around Caylee's mouth, you can very clearly hear a female voice say 'no it wasn't'.  Can't make out if it's Lyon's or KC.

[bikerbev]

Also in that video I just posted at 1:37 while the prosecution is discussing if Caylee knew what was happening to her, you can see Cindy, then George run out of the court room.

[bikerbev]

Also in that video I just posted at 1:37 while the prosecution is discussing if Caylee knew what was happening to her, you can see Cindy, then George run out of the court room.

Sorry for quoting myself, but that lady in blue, that escorted Cindy out of the courtroom at the end of the hearing...well, you can see her leave the room right behind George and than someone else left.

[CarolF]

HI mONKEYS..
Watchin the court viedeo of friday 11....I noticed that when Casey heard how caylee may died with the duct tape...she move her head like she is saying  "no" it didnt happen like that....but her reaction was very specific at the moment she heard how caylee could be killed with the tape.....

I caught that too and didn't bozo stop her at that point? They are gonna have a hard time keeping her under control at trial.  I tried to make out what they were saying but I just couldn't quite get it. Thought it was interesting they had not hit the button and maybe they were taken back by Casey's reaction.

[Cappuccino]

If the defense is able to get the death penalty off the table, will that mean that Lyons will no longer be on the case? Not that I think JS will rule that way, but just wondering...

That would be my assumption....but who knows for sure.

that is my belief! and what would baez do without her! he isnt to  smart and doesnt dispaly much tact/professionalism. he has alot to learn and is to eager to make a name for himself. I dont   see anything in him that would want me to have him represent me
hell no!!

She would not be required to stay on nor is she needed since Bozo can represent his client with the DP off the table (not gonna happen) BUT Lyons is enjoying the limelight too much in this case & is using it as a platform to further her cause against the DP.  If it is her choice she will remain, actually  it is ultimately up to Casey who represents her.    Even on the remote chance that the defense prevailed, she will remain on a soap box throughout the case to push her views that the DP should be abolished - her twisted empathy with no regard for what the monsters she attempts to save have heinously done is disturbing to say the least.   It is extremely doubtful that Judge Strickland will grant their motion to remove the DP from consideration by a jury of her peers or it would have been done already -- Lyons failed miserably making her argument compelling and/or based on law vs opinion, not impressed in the least.   The fact is the case meets having the required 2 or more factors to consider the DP in the penalty phase if convicted (which she will be).

Another thing that is rather glaring is that Todd "Macadoodle" & Baden have been absent not only from the courtroom but on the defense's campaign to try this case in the media.   I've been extremely busy & may have missed something but this has not gone unnoticed.
  Have a nice weekend everyone!

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/79150417.html
 Posted on Sun, Dec. 13, 2009

Caylee Anthony's death dramatized
ORLANDO, Fla. - A Florida mother charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter sobbed in court Friday as a prosecutor speculated that the toddler was methodically drugged and suffocated with tape.

Casey Anthony cried as prosecutor Jeff Ashton suggested that Caylee Anthony's killer restrained her arms, dosed her with something that knocked her unconscious, and put duct tape over her mouth and nose. The cause of Caylee's death remains unknown, but duct tape was found on the body.

Ashton offered the scenario when explaining why he believes the case would qualify for the death penalty. Anthony has pleaded not guilty, and her trial is expected to start next year.

[Nut44x4]

Hi Monkeys and Guests, I don't post that often but I am sure in the rafters a lot. It's probably about time to climb on down.  I keep thinking about this chloroform. I think Casey had been experimenting with it for some time possibly beginning with Amy. 

The night that Casey stayed over at Amy's house and in the morning Amy's pants were changed
and her money was missing. I believe it was like 400.00 and Casey convinced her she
was sleep walking and changed her pants and hid her money to keep it in a safe place. 
After all it was money for her trip to Puerto Rica.

Well what if Casey chloroformed her? She could have had a little bottle of it in her purse
and when Amy went to sleep she put some on a rag and held it close to her nose, she surely
would not wake up while Casey changed her pants and stole her money.  What bizarre behavior.
I would put nothing beyond what Casey would do or steal or say for that matter.

So this brings me to the discovery time before last with the bottle with the syringe in it. I know it was said there were minute amounts of chloroform in there but it was there for quite awhile.
Would not chloroform loose it's strength over that amount of time exposed to the elements?

I really don't know but I just get this chloroform business out of my head. I am looking forward to the trial and hopefully the truth will come out.  One thing I am sure of there will be justice for little Caylee.

Interesting thoughts re: Amy ..something to ponder.

RE: what I bolded above.... Snipped from Nancy Grace

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/06/ng.01.html

Joining me right now is special guest Dr. Jake Deutsch. He is a doctor in New York joining us tonight. Doctor, thank you so much for being with us. Doctor, if the body were left there, abandoned there back in, say, July, how could chloroform still be in the syringes all those months later? Doesn`t it evaporate? Or was there just so much chloroform, the fluid was still there?

DR. JAKE DEUTSCH, EMERGENCY MEDICINE: You know, chloroform would normally evaporate, but if you`re talking in a closed syringe inside other containers, absolutely, it would still be there. So it sounds like there was a pretty substantial amount, and that definitely is not something that just was there from decomposition. This is something that was intentionally left there and certainly looks to be used for the wrong purposes.

GRACE: Dr. Deutsch, you just brought up a crucial point, in my mind, for both sides, the prosecution and defense, because the defense is going to argue that traces of chloroform found in tot mom`s car trunk were the result of...

DEUTSCH: Decomposition.

GRACE: ... some -- right, some other type of decomposition, some other chemical reaction, cleaning solution. That`s what they`re going to argue at trial.

DEUTSCH: Right.

GRACE: But there is no such argument for the chloroform found inside formerly sterile syringes...

DEUTSCH: Right.

GRACE: ... and inside a Gatorade bottle.

DEUTSCH: Right, that are clearly drawn up with the intention of injecting it. So this was something that was synthesized and -- you know, potentially, and then drawn up with the purpose of administering it and administering it for illegal purposes. Chloroform`s not routinely found in syringes and it`s certainly nothing that we`re using routinely in the medical community. So this reeks of...

GRACE: Well, hold on. Hold on, Doctor. Not to interrupt, but you said not commonly used in the medical community. Isn`t it true that back in the `70s, chloroform was banned for consumer use?

DEUTSCH: Right. I mean, because of the side effects and how dangerous it is, so when I say...

GRACE: What side effects? What side effects?

DEUTSCH: The lethal side effects, the toxicity that was found to be associated with it and the volatile state of it. So using it as an anesthetic is just very unreliable, so it was replaced with more modern and more reliable medications.

GRACE: Doctor Deutsch, while I`ve still got you, how would testosterone or ethanol end up in there? Is that somehow...

DEUTSCH: This is a big mystery to me. I mean, testosterone is a hormone that`s naturally found in the body, but it`s also used by people who are abusing steroids for body building purposes or people that are maybe having gender reassignment. So I mean, they maybe should be looking for somebody who is using steroids or has that type of predilection...

GRACE: Wow.

DEUTSCH: I`m also wondering, is there any blood on this syringe? Are they testing it for DNA? There would certainly be evidence there if it was used to inject into this (INAUDIBLE)

[tupelohoney]

http://www.wesh.com/video/21931324/index.html
Right at the very beginning of this, after the prosecution says that the duct tape was around Caylee's mouth, you can very clearly hear a female voice say 'no it wasn't'.  Can't make out if it's Lyon's or KC.

I thought I heard Casey say, "Make him stop" and Lyon says, "I can"t."  I could very well be wrong, I had to turn my volume way up and it happens so quickly. And I think Casey says it again as her folks are running out of the courtroom.