Will somebody give me some cliff notes or something!! I have only recently been able to get back to the cage. Been working like a crazy person for a year. I was in the Caylee thread and someone mentioned something about Nat. And what about the Persistance? TIA
THE DECEPTION OF THE PERSISTENCE UNDERTAKINGThe undertaking of the Persistence appears to have been a self-serving endeavor on the part of John Silvetti to locate Natalee Holloway's remains for the sole purpose of assisting to provide a FINALE TO THE ARUBAN COVERUP.
Kyle Kingman, was on board the Persistence in an official capacity for the entire search effort. Following the retrieval of the contents of the cage/trap ... this young man had concerns.
Along with ROV images of the cage/trap that had not been turned over to the ALE and ... his heartfelt concerns ... Kyle returned to the United States with the intention of turning the ROV images of the cage/trap over to the FBI and/or the family of Natalee Holloway as well as sharing his concerns. Unfortunately ... Kyle had a change of heart and began negotiating with major networks for the rights to the ROV images.
When Kyle's analysis of the ROV images is considered ... it appeared that Natalee Holloway's remains may have been inside the trap/cage. However ... considering the ALE retrieved the contents and ... the crew of the Persistence were not participants to the recovery process ... were not participants to the chain of command ... there is no conclusive proof.
The FBI as well as Beth Holloway have recently been in receipt of the ROV images. However ... NOBODY involved in the Persistence search effort were involved in this initiative.
If Natalee Holloway's remains were in that cage/trap ... it must be exposed. Justice for an eighteen year old American and ... closure for her family demands it.
'Scarborough Country' for July 14
updated 8:45 a.m. PT, Fri., July. 15, 2005JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPFATHER: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she's alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we'll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.
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KYLE KINGMAN POSTS - NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS' FORUMKyle: I have not given anything to the FBI since the pictures and statements from Dec 29th
Kyle: None of us gave any statements to the authorities after the 29th. It's possible John Silvetti did, because he was the only one conversing with them after Jan 7th.
Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.
Kyle: In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric
Kyle: The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.
Kyle: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th.
Kyle: John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis
Kyle: John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word
Kyle: John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability
Kyle: John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again.
Kyle: Schafer is sue crazy.
Kyle: I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He [John Silvetti] was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.
Kyle: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.
Kyle: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.
Kyle: I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal.
Kyle: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.
Kyle: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.
Kyle: John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.
Kyle: I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana
Kyle: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim. Everyone I show thinks the same thing without being prompted (including senior ABC execs).
Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further.
Klye: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.
Kyle: neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.
Kyle: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship.
Kyle: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.
Kyle: I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.
kyle: Richardson was onboard the Persistence several times and attended the meetings on the boat. You may see a glimpse of him on the Dateline video in the survey room along with Mos standing over my shoulder
KYLE KINGMAN'S POST - THE SCARED MONKEYS' FORUMoceanexploration: "We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care. Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing. Our hands are tied for the most part.
I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE."
BROTHER OF BETH HOLLOWAY'S POST - THE SCARED MONKEYS' FORUM
Private Eye: "If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort.
The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed."
THE ROV IMAGESRe: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #410 on: November 24, 2008, 04:01:55 PM »
Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the
photos posted above. These were not given to the FBI until recently.
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Kyle Kingman
Senior Geophysical Project Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Greater New York City AreaCurrent Senior Geophysical Operations Manager at Alpine Ocean Seismic Survey Inc.
Past Manager at Kingman Geophysical Solutions
Education Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick
Industry Oil & Energy
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