Lively Case Discussion #489 7/8 - 7/9/2006

[ala_gunslinger]

what is the name of the series of films that show people getting killed? i never watched them but it's stuff like people being hit by trains, people committing suicide, falling of buildings or cliffs and stuff like that. those films made millions. ALL of my friends knew about them and had seen them. "Faces of Death" maybe?? anyway, i know they are not snuff films but imo it aint a very far leap there. so the market IS there. it is just underground. no doubt in my mind. I mean look at those "Saw" movies and "Hostle" they are nothing but sex tourture and death HELLO!!!!!

"When Wild Animals Attack!"

Sounds like a good title for this one if one so exists...

Good morning ya'll to all the Central and Eastern time zones, Good evening to everyone to the east.  

For those of you not on US time - whatever..

[Angiex911dsptchr]

hi DK~!

  I dont know what to think about the DEEPAK letters..  alot stood out ot me bfore when they were first posted long ago..   THIS part is really weird IMO..


 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject:    

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for what it is worth, here are emails that deepak sent to his friend prior
to being arrested: They were sent a week after she disappeared, so obviously
plenty of time to be coached by the dad to leave a (false) 'paper trail.'


dated 6/5/2005


How are you i hope you and your family is fine.(NAME DELETED) is better i
tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it
will be a shock for you right now.
The missing girl natalee hollaway,I spoke to her , sunday she left with me ,
my brother and a friend from carlos n' charlies , it was my car like the
news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the
the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news .
Let see where to start i don't even know where to begin these last days
where so crazy for me i'm very tired haven't slept good in days : The story
starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local
casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he
decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table
and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing
blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and
introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win
some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said
ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he
said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more
money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy
you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ). so they took a drink
and started talking etc. about school, the vacation etc.etc.afterwards my
friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in
carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school
tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll
be there.So that was in the casino i was not present , i was at work so my
friend called me and said hey i met some girls in the casino and her friends
and they want us to meet them in carlos tonight do you have to work tomorrow
morning i said no , so he said pick me up later then i said ok. so i got off
my shift at 10 pm and went home took a bath had to fix something and then me
and my younger brother went to pick up my friend was around 12.10 am so i
came to his home and was talked for like 15 min and then left to go to
carlos (we all went out without or parents knew) so we arrived like 12.30 am
in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and
bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage
and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first
time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance
with her my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she
came up to my friend and asked why he won't dance with her , i only heared
that part because i was talking to someone else so i don't know what he
responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to
someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend. well
they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe
they' re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car
and nobody was there so i started playing music and was waiting on my
brother and my friend.i waited for like 10 min and then i saw my brother
stepping in the car and my friend who was with natalee. so i was surprised
but anyways i started the engine and my brother was besides me and my friend
and natalee were in the backseet so i started cruising in the area and asked
my friend whats going on so natalee responded to me ''hey its no prob let us
just drive around and have fun its my last night , she said you can drop me
off later at holiday inn anyways right'' i said sure why not so as i was
drove out of the carlos road and got on the mainroad there were natalees
friends and she , pushed het head out of the window and screamed something i
can't recall.so i was driving very slow to make a left to get in the next
road and then one of natalees friend screamed for her to get out of the car
, and she refused so then i stopped my car and i said natalee if your
friends want you to go with them its better you go listen to them and go
with them , she said no i will stay with you guys i will get a lift from you
anways later, so she said bye to her friends and i drove away, so then we
were just talking etc, in the car and then she said she wanted to see sharks
,it was by the lighthouse she saw them before that can we go , my friend
said ok ,deepak lets go. so on my my to the lighthouse there was music
playing and noone talking for a while when i looked in the backmirror my
friend and natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her
blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will ) so my brother siad just
leave them for a while untill we get to the lighthouse, when i arrived at
the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention
to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a
min only trafficlights) so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that
natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if
its holiday inn for sure she is staying so my friend woke her up and
confirmed with natalee she was staying at the holiday inn, so i drove to the
lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the
car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out
of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she
stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that
i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no. she
he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking
towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes
approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee
again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was
around 2.15 am .monday i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called
my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me
there , i said ok so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and
chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go
to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my
friends dad called him and said the police is at his home with some family
members its about the girl you guys went out with yesterday , so my friend
said wait there i be there, so we rushed at my friends home and there was
the police and nataless family and it was a nightmare sinds then. the police
asked us if we knew this girl showed us a picture we said yes thats her ,
they said she was missing and eyewitness say she was the last seen with you
guys . so they asked a few more questions and we said we don't understand we
left her at holiday inn lobby drive way how could she dissapear and then
natalees stepfather jumped and said ''yes thats because after she went with
you assholes she lost'' and then my friends father jumped and said thats
enough you can't talk to the kids like that this is not the us your out of
you juristiction this is not the way i want you people out of my yard i know
the law (my friends father is e judge) so afterwards another family member
of natalee suggested to the police if we can id the security gard we said
ok. we went there there was no suck security working there as we discribed.
so then we were just standing in the lobby there were questions etc. asked
by other members , and then me and my friend walked to the car natalees mom
was sitting and we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything
with you daughter, she was crying and said i don't believe you 2 , i promise
you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we
were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible.i went home 7 pm
tuesday, i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a
statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother
and my friend they were questionded and had to sign their statement also ,
the checked my car and i was clear to go , wednesday i was called again to
show them how i drove the route that day ( i could refuse was my right i
still decided to go , as did my brother and friend ) the drove us one by one
and then we were free to go again.thursday morning my friend called me (he
goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he
is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here
at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED
ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to
leave and they did .so thats my part of the story yesterday and today it was
quiet no treathen phoncalls what we got before and i won't mention the
crazythings the newspapers etc. writes about us its to much to mention. at
home my mom is losing it she is cryimg constantly , my dad bloodpressure got
high also his hands are red , my friends home is a disaster also ,his mom is
crying constantly also his dad is pretty cool he calmes us down and talks to
us also not to worry , my brother is preety cool but on his face you see he
is worried , my friend is pretty worried also. i'm pretty worried also , we
have 2 lawyers one for my friend and one for me in case we get arrested and
charched with something his dad can't defend hin he is a judge and he is too
emotional attached .my friend has his graduation this thursday he has to go
to the states in july he has a full scholarship. i had to go to vacation
also end of this month.many politicians find we should be locked up
rightnow.We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen
with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc,
we were arrested and , my car is by the police we confessed to murder and
rape, she went in a restaurant to buy food but none of those were true.So
(name deleted) that was my part of the story what i said here is the same in
my statement,people are saying they are bad guys lock them up , the family
is going thru a lot righnow , but what they don't know how the other
families feel and how they also have a reputation and carreers etc. because
when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had
something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.they don't
understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we
have a problem we were the last seen with her . I lost a lot of friends who
think we had to do something with this, many of my friends supported us also
brought food etc. for us at home and know we are innocent, we are innocent
also we promise i would NEVER hurt anyone in anyway, i would do every
everything to help find her thats what we told eveyone also , i would take a
bullet to save her and bring her back to her family if i had to so would my
friend also.i would never never hurt anyone i'm a very happy and social
person who likes to make friends with people and not hurting them


So (NAME DELETED) i will say goodbye now hope you believe me and i pray to
god that they find natalee soon and find her well so that this nightmare
ends for all of us and they we prove we had nothing to do with this, i hope
you pray for all of us say hi to everyone there hope to hear from you soon
and may god bless.........

bye bye

Deepak.



Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:26:12 +0000

Thank you for your wonderfull email you send me I really appreciate it.
Things are going better with me now , as you you know there has been 2
arrests i don't know if it comes because the information we gave or just
another tip.They were 2 security guards for a hotel nearby the holiday inn
where natalee was staying , but we don't have any further information . I
would be willing to try making an Id by the police for the 2 suspects i only
saw one of them in the news.My parents are doing better now , my friends
parents are doing well as well. Although we are almost of the hook we still
don't walk much on the streets a lot of fingers are being pointed etc. But
the press Is like trying to locate us or something i don't know this morning
my friend got a letter for nbc if we were willing to give an intervieuw for
a very good price we did not respond to them yet , we don't know if we will
give interview as yet. The local press however we won't give any interview
they sad a lot of bad things about us they should be ashamed of
theirselves.But for now its just from home to work for me , and in the
afternoons i go by my friends house we order pizza etc. and watch the news
whats going.
Anyways i have to go now , if i have any ipdates i will let you know asap.
the press is all over it so i don't think you will be missing any part of it
.
As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the
police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted
to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to
us as they did before.

Take care , Say hi to the others and I will mail you again


bye bye

Deepak.



Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:33:21 +0000

How is everything there. Well they did not say anything yet about the bloody
T -shirt. (she asked about the bloody mattress report)

[Tylergal]

Just for the record.

LOUISE

I never doubted you.  The person who wrote me last summer from Aruba said he was just about sure it was a snuff film that had taken place.  I used to feel sure this was a man because he gave me details so gross that I did not think a woman could think of those things or know those things.  He told me long before it was mentioned in public about a bloody (Baby Huey) shoe in a snuff video.  I never thought a woman could say all those things that he told me and I am just giving the highlights, not the gruesome details of what he told me, and like I said I believed it was a man but after reading at some of dark side sites, I am not at all sure that it was not a woman.

[crazybabyborg]

Dear Angie,

I also needed someone to explain to me what a snuff film is. I could not believe that such a thing existed. I met a man online who told me he was booted out of a bulletin board because he posted a pic of what appeared to be a snuff film.

Louise and Angie: This link is about the movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134273/

[Tylergal]

Do we know what entity acts as the server for Aruba? Honest, I know for a fact that here, anyway, with a subpoena, the server will cough up the exact transmission for any IP address, complete with time, date and duration. Would the internet server have been involved in transmission of a video? I would think that ALL records would have been captured for Joran's and Deepak's IP address for several days surrounding Nat's disappearance.

Wasn't there mention that Paulus had instructed them to e-mail each other, so that a record COULD be established?

If something of interest existed in a memory card of a cell phone, what do you want to bet that the cell phone "swims with the fishes" at this point?

Also, an accurate record would definately exist as to when Deepak's phone ran out of minutes and when he purchased more minutes.

Somone from Aruba told me the "Deepak" letter was authored by Paulus and/or Anita.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Dear Angie,

I also needed someone to explain to me what a snuff film is. I could not believe that such a thing existed. I met a man online who told me he was booted out of a bulletin board because he posted a pic of what appeared to be a snuff film.

 WOW~!    When I hear snuff. I think of .. well.. snuff..
never associated that term with movies..  Blew my mind  bigtime to learn what it meant.  I need a mom hug..  (HUGS) to you MOM Louise.
(BT mom. dont get jealous.. LOL)  

[spooky112483]

what is the name of the series of films that show people getting killed? i never watched them but it's stuff like people being hit by trains, people committing suicide, falling of buildings or cliffs and stuff like that. those films made millions. ALL of my friends knew about them and had seen them. "Faces of Death" maybe?? anyway, i know they are not snuff films but imo it aint a very far leap there. so the market IS there. it is just underground. no doubt in my mind. I mean look at those "Saw" movies and "Hostle" they are nothing but sex tourture and death HELLO!!!!!

"When Wild Animals Attack!"

Sounds like a good title for this one if one so exists...

Good morning ya'll to all the Central and Eastern time zones, Good evening to everyone to the east.  

For those of you not on US time - whatever..[/quote]

HAHA Sounds like something I'd say!
Love the episode of Family Guy when the son gets married someplace in Africa and Louis says "Well it may count here but not back in the US where God pays attention"  

[crazybabyborg]

Do we know what entity acts as the server for Aruba? Honest, I know for a fact that here, anyway, with a subpoena, the server will cough up the exact transmission for any IP address, complete with time, date and duration. Would the internet server have been involved in transmission of a video? I would think that ALL records would have been captured for Joran's and Deepak's IP address for several days surrounding Nat's disappearance.

Wasn't there mention that Paulus had instructed them to e-mail each other, so that a record COULD be established?

If something of interest existed in a memory card of a cell phone, what do you want to bet that the cell phone "swims with the fishes" at this point?

Also, an accurate record would definately exist as to when Deepak's phone ran out of minutes and when he purchased more minutes.

Somone from Aruba told me the "Deepak" letter was authored by Paulus and/or Anita.

Tyler, you are on a common sense extroidinaire, roll tonight. That, too, makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[thirdstrike]

Oh no, we're back on those urban legends called "snuff films" again??    

[ala_gunslinger]

what is the name of the series of films that show people getting killed? i never watched them but it's stuff like people being hit by trains, people committing suicide, falling of buildings or cliffs and stuff like that. those films made millions. ALL of my friends knew about them and had seen them. "Faces of Death" maybe?? anyway, i know they are not snuff films but imo it aint a very far leap there. so the market IS there. it is just underground. no doubt in my mind. I mean look at those "Saw" movies and "Hostle" they are nothing but sex tourture and death HELLO!!!!!

"When Wild Animals Attack!"

Sounds like a good title for this one if one so exists...

Good morning ya'll to all the Central and Eastern time zones, Good evening to everyone to the east.  

For those of you not on US time - whatever..[/quote]

HAHA Sounds like something I'd say!
Love the episode of Family Guy when the son gets married someplace in Africa and Louis says "Well it may count here but not back in the US where God pays attention"  

How many days until kickoff???  Roll Tide Roll!!!

[thirdstrike]

...oh, and Anna...if you're still in here...I wasn't being sarcastic earlier.  I really DO have love 4 U...

[ala_gunslinger]

Oh no, we're back on those urban legends called "snuff films" again??    

Well, at least it's not Shango and Simian!  

How are you this time slice Triple X?

[spooky112483]

Do we know what entity acts as the server for Aruba? Honest, I know for a fact that here, anyway, with a subpoena, the server will cough up the exact transmission for any IP address, complete with time, date and duration. Would the internet server have been involved in transmission of a video? I would think that ALL records would have been captured for Joran's and Deepak's IP address for several days surrounding Nat's disappearance.

Wasn't there mention that Paulus had instructed them to e-mail each other, so that a record COULD be established?

If something of interest existed in a memory card of a cell phone, what do you want to bet that the cell phone "swims with the fishes" at this point?

Also, an accurate record would definately exist as to when Deepak's phone ran out of minutes and when he purchased more minutes.

Somone from Aruba told me the "Deepak" letter was authored by Paulus and/or Anita.

beth said paulus showed them how to use a hardrive as an alibi

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Dear Angie,

I also needed someone to explain to me what a snuff film is. I could not believe that such a thing existed. I met a man online who told me he was booted out of a bulletin board because he posted a pic of what appeared to be a snuff film.

Louise and Angie: This link is about the movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134273/

  Thanks CBB.. I got the creeps reading the part about dancing with the devil..  DANG!

[ala_gunslinger]

btw, has everyone read the comments on the latest masterpiece by Red?

Interesting....

[Anna]

.
Even if Deepak were to be out of minutes, he could still receive calls.

Or transmissions.

.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Oh no, we're back on those urban legends called "snuff films" again??    

  Good evening TS...

[spooky112483]

How many days until kickoff???  Roll Tide Roll!!!

not sure but SEC Media Days are in a few weeks I believe and Ken Darby and Ramzee Robinson will be our reps there

[crazybabyborg]

Dear Angie,

I also needed someone to explain to me what a snuff film is. I could not believe that such a thing existed. I met a man online who told me he was booted out of a bulletin board because he posted a pic of what appeared to be a snuff film.

 WOW~!    When I hear snuff. I think of .. well.. snuff..
never associated that term with movies..  Blew my mind  bigtime to learn what it meant.  I need a mom hug..  (HUGS) to you MOM Louise.
(BT mom. dont get jealous.. LOL)  

I'm not really promoting the movie................it is very well done and recieved a tremendously positive rating from critics, but it was the sort of thing that was chilling to see so well done, if that makes sense. Here's the summary as put out by the studio. It gives the feel for the movie, and was supposed to have been extrememly well researched and realistic in terms of the "underworld" that values and distributes that sort of thing.

Tom Welles, private eye, is hired by a wealthy widow, whose well-known husband passed away recently. She has found a reel of S8-film in a safe. On the film is a cruel slaughtering of a young girl, who obviously does not pretend or act: A snuff-movie. Welles takes up investigation, which leads him to the girl's mother and from there to Hollywood, into the office of a porn flick producer. Welles' rising obsession to solve the case also carries him away from his wife and new-born daughter. But when finally names are at hand, Welles suddenly finds himself on ice much thinner than he planned.

[spooky112483]

Oh no, we're back on those urban legends called "snuff films" again??    

Hey Thirdsy!! Read back a few pages. I disagree that they are legends of any kind. I also dont think these boys where making snuff films but that it all happened to them by accident and Freddy knew what he had in his hands.