Natalee Case Discussion #806 3/9/09 - 3/12/09

[2NJSons_Mom]

I waited for hours today, thinking this thread would have to be locked and a new one opened.  I think we were on page 45 for a couple of hours. 

Here we are on an OT roll, which I guess we could bring to Musings or the Lounge.  Yes, and Klaas may give me demerits for contributing.   

[texasmom]

Hendrik Croes responds to VNO-gate

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53838.php

letter he wrote to Amigoe:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53839.php

Thank you caesu!   

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53838.php

Google translation:


Hendrik Croes VNO responds to affair
March 12, 2009, 15:42 (GMT -04:00)

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'ORANGE CITY - "What idle talk, incredible, but the Dutch political thought onzindelijk appear to influence," responds former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes, lawyer and partner of the firm Croes, Wever and Tchong on allegations that the Attorney General (PG) to "the leash of Henry Croes' runs. 'Talking fudge' that he even about his previous relationship with PG as the Round Forest and Zwinkels did.

Croes, submitted a letter in this newspaper (see page 3) for the first time on the allegations in the leaked week notice of the Dutch Representation in Aruba (VNO). The letter cites Croes firm to State Secretary for Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA), VNO and the Second Chamber. He let us know through the years "all kinds of wild raspberry and gossip stories' about his person a hearing and that the allegations in the report was no exception. Croes also doubt whether the leaked report VNO or VNO from the office in Oranjestad comes and not an "other VNO.
He called the author of the report "a little frustrated isolated pathetic figure with his legs completely outside the Aruban community. "If so Sammy the Dutch Government to inform and advise, but it is questionable whether such a government to balanced decision-making can get"

As the then Secretary of State with its investigation, the letter to the Dutch Parliament and the debate this week has made calls Croes is indicative of the Dutch political thought: "It does hold, as evidenced by its report to the Lower House, implied this idle talk, for true! "


Aruban Investigation Board
State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten promised Tuesday to a House investigation into the integrity of the Board on Aruba. How they perform research, based on the reports and whether Aruban institutes hearing is not yet known, so let her know spokesman. Also on the period when the report should be ready, is still nothing to report. Bijleveld will have two weeks to Aruba for a short working visit. In interviews yesterday with them in the Netherlands Prime Minister Nelson Oduber had she not lost. Oduber was this morning by the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende received in the turret.

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_53839.php

Google translation:

The 'leaked' report VNO
March 12, 2009, 15:45 (GMT -04:00)

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Over the past 36 years I have in serving the interests of Aruba, Dutch Antilles and the Netherlands all wild raspberry, gossip stories (and also nice) on Hendrik Croes heard it as the Secretary of State Ms. A. Bijleveld says, 'leaked' VNO report - which now must be seriously questioned, or that the Aruban office VNO comes not from another VNO - is no exception to that idle gossip and stories. The rapporteur says the report, is a frustrated something pathetic isolated figure with his legs completely outside the Aruban Community. Such as Sammy the Dutch Government to inform and advise, but it is questionable whether such a government to balanced decision-making can get.
This report makes me immediately think back to the idle talk of the opposition party Aruban ASF about my alleged interest in the first Aruban PG-shelf (1984/85). Idle talk which had then reflected in the Cooperation Arrangement Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, where a special regime for blocking me on Aruba's acting PG was recorded. Now my age for membership who have passed, there should be only tasty to laugh. About the appointment of Mr. P. Forest and PG of Aruba (1990), the same will rattle even the wind and over to the leash of Henry Croes walk 'of the successor to Mr.P. Forest, Mr.. J. Zwinkels (1993), the latter knock stories now in the VNO debited report on our newly appointed PG, which idle talk, incredible but true, the Dutch political thought onzindelijk appears to affect.
I would, therefore, to this latest drivel do not belong to worry, were it not that I was so surprised by new items in the gossip about Hendrik Croes:

1) I would lead the opposition in Curacao;
2) I would be the idea of swastikas in anti-RTC events in Curaçao of December 14, 2008 have created and sent.
3) I would demand transparency Dutch fear in my extensive commercial activities in Bonaire, Curacao (and Aruba);
4) I was the Prime Minister of Aruba behind the scenes constantly soufleren;
5) I was appointed the new PG constantly conducting;
Ad.1: I have fairly good relations with almost all parties in Curaçao. They know me since 1973 and I have been a warm supporter of a strong autonomous Curaçao and fierce opponent of all that of my Curaçao Schenardi brothers want to make a beggar nation. Did not need to Aruba out any political role. Netherlands would now never learn to once properly decolonise?
Ad.2: On Sunday, December 14, 2008 I was home in Aruba. Monday December 15th I went to Curacao for the RTC and hurried me by taxi along two or three politiecordons to the World Trade Center, where the RTC would be held.
I was there around 9:30, but 'safety' before 11 hours if no one inside, so I do not.
Therefore took a taxi to the hotel and Avila met since the Aruban delegation and the Dutch Antilles and RTC members. After lunch at the Avila Hotel, Mr. reason. Hubert Maduro and I in a bus full of Dutch security Diender towards World Trade Center and then returned to the naval base Parera, a rare failure, for the entire Kingdom that we had to hide it because the drivers of the Kingdom were to have a stuffy protest of a small group of protestors, face up to, as you can expect real drivers.
It was me stale when the chairman of the RTC its reception for the same reason, that Naval Base wanted to keep. I asked and was given VIP escort to the airport where I have a constructive, frank and quite pleasant conversation had with the President of the Senate, Mw.Timmermans, - which I 'Aruba syndrome' and 'revanchisme of politics in Den Haag its discussed. The swastikas talk, (as there were no swastikas Amigoe) is a completely fictional story. A canard therefore a rabble!
Ad.3: Have no interest in Bonaire and Curacao. My lawyer now I practice more than 40 years in Aruba. Another canard.
Ad.4: I was at the cradle of the MEP in the fight against anti-democratic when dominant segment Aryan thinking in Aruba (of AVP and PPA) and wore my contribution - along with many others - the new status of Aruba, where the entire Kingdom is jealous.
I am proud I am to the MEP that Aruba has to offer the best in politics and I will continue to fight for my country, and the government of Aruba if my party asks me. For prompt, our Prime Minister too much experience and no time and I do not. Wil the VNO rabble sometimes that our party at the devil goes to confession?
Ad.5: Sorry for the VNO-rapporteur, our Mr. PG. R. Pietersz familiar with all the old raised above idle talk about Hendrik Croes. It is appalling that VNO as low to the ground believes that it should go. The worst thing is that our PG in response to such talk of low category to minus eight. The rabble should know that this is also a coward.
So far this part of the story. As Secretary Mrs A. Bijleveld has haunted this is indicative of the Dutch political thinking. It does hold, as evidenced by its report to the Second Court implied that where idle talk! The Dutch government is this the same way as the drug mafia, which has great influence in Aruba, the AVP AVP now read / COA associated press, been! This is a great merit of a discerning State.
First, the State Secretary to the leak investigation carried out. In the second instance in its letter to the House put the world on its head. In an unsuccessful attempt to Bok, who had shot VNO, hedging, was Secretary of State Blijleveld the Aruban Minister of Justice is the blame of all misery. So not the scribe of the VNO report. In short, the world on its head!
Then in the debate in the Lower House would have a report on the law in Aruba come. Well now! Ms Bijleveld know what the rule of law to Aruba? Would they are there again based on gossip and idle talk? Or was this the Lower House to lead? State Secretary Bijleveld would just be honest the Lower House have confessed that the VNO nooi box long a gossip machine was located and that the sewing box just somewhere in New Jersey should be cool, it was something of its credibility intact. It is no wonder that when the State itself such stupid stories fudge which means, addle-pated in the Second Chamber whole runaway.
Scatterbrain and would recreancy administration in the ever afraid of guys can win. Afin, let Ms Bijleveld again quiet farewell lecture of Prof. ermeritus professor. Mr. CAJM Kortmann the St. Radboud University in Nijmegen from 27-02-2009 to read.
It is seriously warned against the drift of the Netherlands law. And Prof. Kortmann has not even touched on the subject of investigation by the Commission Davids nor the Dutch government funds misappropriated Plant Hotel which they now have three quarters has returned but 25% of the darkened has picked up! Not because the Aruban people prefer a majority, where political Den Haag terribly jealous, it means that less democracy or less rule of law. This preference is totally democratic with all of the Netherlands inachtnemning copied game to come. Everything we do here at the administrative level, we have learned from master Den Haag. Not because we do, it is of lesser quality! Ms Bijleveld would guide them to focus on the state of law in the Netherlands.
In Aruba, we have to Hague stupid thing no message!

HENDRIK S. Croes
Aruba

[Tamikosmom]

The following Kyle Kingman quotes tells me that the Bill Kurtis production if aired would have shielded John Silvetti from implication in any wrongdoing and ... put the focus on the Aruban's only.  In other words ... like thieves in the night ... the Aruban took John Silvetti by surprised on January 7, 2008 and ... stole the contents from the trap ... contents that may have been Natalee Holloway's remains.

Janet

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JOHN SILVETTI - NO WRONGDOING

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Kyle Kingman: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08:  We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information


THE ARUBANS - THIEVES IN THE NIGHT

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.  (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th. (March 11, 2008)

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

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[Tamikosmom]

I realize that this introduction/header ran in error but ... when you consider the words within there is something very deceitful about the spin ... the spin that Tim Miller was in charge of the Persistence undertaking.

Considering John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer are not mentioned ... it is obvious that these two men were taking a back seat in this production for a reason.

Janet

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What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I realize that this introduction/header ran in error but ... when you consider the words within there is something very deceitful about the spin ... the spin that Tim Miller was in charge of the Persistence undertaking.

Considering John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer are not mentioned ... it is obvious that these two men were taking a back seat in this production for a reason.

Janet

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What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Was that Kyle's only mention of a documentary? 

[Tamikosmom]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Was that Kyle's only mention of a documentary? 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08: We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information

Could Kurtis Productions be the film crew that Kyle Kingman refers to?


Kyle Kingman[/b]: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Could the spin of the Kurtis Production documentary have been that Tim Miller would be the focus


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Would the Kurtis Production documentary implicate only the Arubans in the finale to the great coverup?

[2NJSons_Mom]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Was that Kyle's only mention of a documentary? 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08: We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information

Could Kurtis Productions be the film crew that Kyle Kingman refers to?


Kyle Kingman[/b]: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Could the spin of the Kurtis Production documentary have been that Tim Miller would be the focus


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Would the Kurtis Production documentary implicate only the Arubans in the finale to the great coverup?

Not sure where the 2nd quote falls in the sequence, but his mention of how to produce & spin the story has a negative ring to it for me.  When he said everyting Natalee was stripped from the boat, was that everything except the footage?  Who actually had possession of the footage? 

Thank you for responding & your file keeping skills.  (I never answered your question before....I looked but didn't find another job, but to be brief there were and are other things that created a hardship.)

[Tamikosmom]

<snipped>

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Could the spin of the Kurtis Production documentary have been that Tim Miller would be the focus

<snipped>

Not sure where the 2nd quote falls in the sequence, but his mention of how to produce & spin the story has a negative ring to it for me.  When he said everyting Natalee was stripped from the boat, was that everything except the footage?  Who actually had possession of the footage? 

Thank you for responding & your file keeping skills.

<snipped>

1.  The introduction to the Natalee Holloway program focuses on Tim Miller.


What Happened to Natalee Holloway?

Thursday 12 March 8:00AM HK/SIN/MAL 7:00AM Thai/WIB
Thursday 12 March 2:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 1:00PM Thai/WIB
Saturday 14 March 1:00PM HK/SIN/MAL 12:00PM Thai/WIB

In December of 2007, eight men from across the United States will set out on an extraordinary mission. On a specially equipped, multi-million dollar ship, they will travel to the deep waters off the island of Aruba. They are searching not for sunken treasure, but something far more valuable to them – a missing 18 year-old named Natalee Holloway.

The leader of the effort is Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch and the father of a 16 year- old girl who was kidnapped and murdered in 1984. Miller has now taken on the recovery of Natalee Holloway as a personal calling. Miller and Natalee Holloway’s father Dave Holloway, believe that Natalee was likely placed in a crab trap or a steel drum and dumped 3-5 miles offshore, which is where they will focus the search.

Miller has assembled a team of underwater engineering experts from Underwater Expeditions and will bring an arsenal of resources, including hi-tech sonar scanning equipment, underwater video and the help of the FBI and Dutch authorities. The team has but one goal: to bring Natalee home.

Kurtis Productions has been granted exclusive access to what will be the most extensive deep water search to date for Holloway’s body. In this documentary special, Bill Kurtis will join the search and document the recovery mission. He will also revisit Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and subsequent investigation to try and answer the questions on everyone’s mind – where is Natalee? And will her case ever be solved?

http://www.citvasia.com/detailssynopsis.aspx?libId=336&sId=168&sTime=1200


2.  Kyle Kingman kept a copy of the ROV images of the December 29th, 30th and January 7th ROV dives.

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."

Kyle Kingman:  No one else has access or copies of the photos or footage. All fingers point back to me when this leaks.

[2NJSons_Mom]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."

Kyle Kingman:  No one else has access or copies of the photos or footage. All fingers point back to me when this leaks.

Contradictory statements, imo.

[Tamikosmom]

(I never answered your question before....I looked but didn't find another job, but to be brief there were and are other things that created a hardship.

I am sorry 2NJSons_Mom.

To avoid being overwhelmed ... take it one day at a time.

Hugs

Janet

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ONE DAY AT A TIME

I'm only human; I'm just a woman
Help me believe in what I could be and all that I am
Show me the stairway
I have to climb
Lord for my sake
Teach me to take
One day at a time

One day at a time, my Jesus
That's all I'm asking from you
Give me the strength to do everything that I have to do
Yesterday's gone
And tomorrow may never be mine
Help me today
Show me the way
One day at a time. 

[Tamikosmom]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Oh, no one has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself."

Kyle Kingman:  No one else has access or copies of the photos or footage. All fingers point back to me when this leaks.

Contradictory statements, imo.

I agree.  However ... Kyle could mean that Tim Trahan and Louis Shaefer would know who the leak was.

Nevertheless ... Kyle implies in both quotes that he has the footage.

Janet

[Magnolia]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Was that Kyle's only mention of a documentary? 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08: We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information

Could Kurtis Productions be the film crew that Kyle Kingman refers to?


Kyle Kingman[/b]: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Could the spin of the Kurtis Production documentary have been that Tim Miller would be the focus


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Would the Kurtis Production documentary implicate only the Arubans in the finale to the great coverup?

I don't know the answer to the questions that you pose, Janet.
But I can see in Kyle's own words how things were going. 
In the first quote on 2/12/08 is where Kyle started to go to the dark side.  There were dreams of riches in selling
the footage to the networks.  He had enjoyed the wheeling and dealing with the networks.

In the second one he thinks he is being cut out of the loop by Louis Scheafer...sounds a little bitter.

In the 6/10/08 he is excited again.  He is back as part of the group selling the documentary.
He is going Hollywood using terms like produce and spin.

Do I sound like Dr. Hodges?   

[Tamikosmom]

"Retired" hubby will be home from work in an hour.  If he comes home to a messy house and no dinner ... he might suspect I have again been all day on the computer.

 

Gotta Go.

Janet
4:30 PM PT

[Tamikosmom]

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday.  I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Was that Kyle's only mention of a documentary? 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman - 02/12/08: We are all holding up well. I just flew back to New Jersey for a much needed break. I've been on the Persistence in Aruba since the 15th of December and will be back on board in about a week amid ROV dives. Things have only just begun to get interesting. We'll likely require a film crew on board for most of the remaining work, so once aired you'll have a lot more information

Could Kurtis Productions be the film crew that Kyle Kingman refers to?


Kyle Kingman[/b]: Louis is currently working with someone who I do not know to put together some documentary on the case, the way it was handled, and what happened during the search. I learned this from Tim T. yesterday. I do not know how far along this documentary is. I have not had any part in it. In fact, I heard this documentary has distanced most everyone from Louis. Louis was sold on the idea that it will make him a lot of money.

Could the spin of the Kurtis Production documentary have been that Tim Miller would be the focus


Kyle Kingman - 06/10/08: Well, it's all going to happen. The big card will soon be played. I just had a secret meeting with Tim Trahan and by proxy, Louis Shafer. Tomorrow, Tim Trahan will get in touch with Beth Holloway in regards to the trap footage and missing evidence. We're getting geared up to play the conspiracy cover-up card on Aruba and force the bogus investigation out into the open. We believe the trap footage may be the missing piece which will raise a BIG question in the minds of the public everywhere. We're in the process of figuring out how to produce and spin the story most accurately and most effectively. Also, and completely independant and unrelated, John will be in Aruba tomorrow and will report soon. This is a different issue. He knows nothing of what we're about to do with the footage.

Would the Kurtis Production documentary implicate only the Arubans in the finale to the great coverup?

I don't know the answer to the questions that you pose, Janet.
But I can see in Kyle's own words how things were going. 
In the first quote on 2/12/08 is where Kyle started to go to the dark side.  There were dreams of riches in selling
the footage to the networks.  He had enjoyed the wheeling and dealing with the networks.

In the second one he thinks he is being cut out of the loop by Louis Scheafer...sounds a little bitter.

In the 6/10/08 he is excited again.  He is back as part of the group selling the documentary.
He is going Hollywood using terms like produce and spin.

Do I sound like Dr. Hodges?   

... or CAPS!

 

Please do not hit me.

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

Janet,

Thank you for the prayer.  I saved it.  Might come in handy as I try to quit smoking, too.

Magnolia,

    Your thought prints are showing.

[Magnolia]

Janet,

Thank you for the prayer.  I saved it.  Might come in handy as I try to quit smoking, too.

Magnolia,

    Your thought prints are showing.

I was thought printing!

I might have more patience with Kyle if he weren't so pretentious!

Janet...if I could reach you.....

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

Thank you for the prayer.  I saved it.  Might come in handy as I try to quit smoking, too.

Magnolia,

    Your thought prints are showing.

Jen and Klaas have successfully quit the habit.  You will have to get pointers from them.  My 60 year old neighbour has managed to quit a lifetime addiction "cold turkey" for almost eight months now.  She still wears the patch so ... maybe it is not "cold turkey" but ... she feels and looks great. 

Janet

[hotping]

RED Reports Against Premier Nelson Oduber & Minister of Tourism and Transport Edison Briesen … Accountability, Forgery & Bribery?
 
Corruption in government in Aruba? Say it isn’t so. So says Rudy Lampe and Armand Hessels of RED. Supposedly Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, are being accused of violations of the accountability act, forgery and possible bribery. So the thought is brought to mind, how does a tourist who has a crime committed against them get a fair shot of justice then?

Party-leader Rudy Lampe of opposition party RED and his fellow party member Armand Hessels reported violation of the accountability act and forgery in the harbour project in Aruba against Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) and his fellow party member Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, with the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Monday afternoon.  According to RED, there is supposedly also bribery involved.


RED reports against Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen  (Amigoe: 4/22/2008)


Rudy Lampe and Armand Hessels (RED) on their way to the governor to hand in a copy of the reporting against Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen.

ORANJESTAD – Party-leader Rudy Lampe of opposition party RED and his fellow party member Armand Hessels reported violation of the accountability act and forgery in the harbour project in Aruba against Premier Nelson Oduber (MEP) and his fellow party member Minister of Tourism and transport, Edison Briesen, with the Public Prosecutor (OM) on Monday afternoon.  According to RED, there is supposedly also bribery involved.

RED is of the opinion that together with Glenbert Croes (OLA), Briesen clearly favours and is ‘an advocate’ of pulling in the Trusam-group from Spain, where according to RED, the minister has traveled suspiciously often to Spain in the past years.  RED says that Briesen had already arranged that the Bushiri-project went to Sol Melia (a subdivision of the Trusam-group), whereby it is suspected that Trusam already knew about it or was at least favoured.   

Red connects above with the fact that the project of Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines (RCCL) that now has interest in Caracasbaai in Curacao, like the Amigoe reported earlier, didn’t take place.  The negotiations with RCCL and harbour company Aruba Ports Authority (APA) had to be torpedoed and the notorious Nambar-letter from 2000, in which one million florins in bribery was offered, leaked out for that.  RCCL would have done the developments together with Namdar, but after the letter leaked out, this idea died an early death.  RED has documents that show that Briesen and Oduber did everything in their power to appoint Trusam, and didn’t put out a public tender.   

RED says having heard from reliable sources that lawyers’ firm Croes, Wever & Tchong, is representing this group in Aruba.  This firm is the office of former-minister Hendrik Croes (MEP), who is also national lawyer and that according to RED ‘exerts big influence on the policy and the decisions of this government’.  The Maritime & Transport Business Solutions BV that was brought in by Oduber in December of last year, is commissioned to negotiate the developments of the harbours of Oranjestad and Barcadera with the Spanish investors that were already appointed by Oduber.  Withy this, Oduber and Briesen are ‘willfully breaching the law and treaties’.   

They have violated a treaty that the Kingdom has concluded with the World Trade Organization (WTO).  Lampe and Hessels explained their reporting in a press conference.  They emphasized that the investments involved with the entire harbour project is going to be an estimate between 500 million and one milliard florins.  The project includes the move of the container harbour, the expansion of the facilities for cruise ships, the construction of a new Free Zone, and a real estate project that includes a hotel, condominiums, and a marina.

RED is afraid that with the huge amounts involved with the project, the democracy will be put under serious pressure, and especially the so-called finders-fees that are usual with these kinds of deals and amounts between the 5 and 10 percent, which will yield some tens of millions of florins for the persons directly involved.  According to RED, the amount of money that ends up in party-hands (read: MEP) via this project, will have such a predominant influence on the next elections and with that, definitely influence the result.

Lampe and Hessels write in the explanation of the accusation that the idea has always been and still is, to finance the move of the container harbour from the proceeds of one or more commercial concessions given to big project developers for the development of the harbour area and surrounding grounds in Oranjestad.

A possible concession to RCCL has been pending for a long time, but was for several reasons, not materialized, because the financial-economic outline would not be profitable enough and because of the well-known Namdar- scandal.   

Another investment group that for years has shown interest in the development of the harbour area in Oranjestad is the Trusam-group from Spain.  RED says in the accusations that in the current government, Minister Briesen is the ‘advocate’ of the Trusam-group.  “As minister, Briesen had already arranged that the Bushiri-project went to Sol Melia (a subdivision of the Trusam-group), whereby it is suspected that Trusam/Sol Media already knew this or was at least favoured.   A public tender was put out just for the formality.  The Bushiri-grounds form the western part of the harbour area.  Minister Briesen has traveled numerous times per year to Spain in the past years, without telling his ministry of the Aruba House in The Hague what the purpose of these trips the Spain was.  Every time he made a business trip to the Netherlands or elsewhere in Europe, be made sure to plan a trip to Spain.  We are not sure whether Trusam had paid for these trips or not.” 

Immediately after the transaction with RCCL was definitely blown off in December of 2007, Prime Minister Oduber had a meeting in the Netherlands with representatives of Maritime & Transport Business Solutions (MTBS), a subdivision of Royal Haskoning, a big consultant-, architect-, and engineer bureau.  That encounter was later confirmed in writing and the most important issue that is revealed is a request of Oduber to MTBS ‘to negotiate the development of the harbours in Oranjestad and Barcadera’ with the named investor, appointed by Oduber.

On behalf of the ministry of Tourism and Transport, Minister Briesen has signed a so-called Client/Consultant Services Agreement for the Project ‘Advisory Services Aruba Port Investments’ with MTBS on March 26, 2008.  RED says that the agreement represents at least 300.000 euro or 850.000 florins.  All the facts point out that Briesen and Oduber have willfully breached the law and public treaties, by entering an international service agreement without calling for tenders and have explicitly given orders not to put the investments in both harbour projects out for tender.

Copies of the accusation were handed to the Cabinet of the Governor and to the Representation of the Netherlands, because according to Lampe and Hessels, also the good name of the Kingdom is at stake, because of the signing of the WTO-treaty.  Lampe cannot understand that the current government has not learned from the bitter process of the Fondo Desaroyo Nobo San Nicolas.  Premier Oduber and Minister Briesen were not yet available for a comment this morning.

 
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/04/24/red-reports-against-premier-nelson-oduber-minister-of-tourism-and-transport-edison-briesen-accountability-forgery-bribery/

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

Thank you for the prayer.  I saved it.  Might come in handy as I try to quit smoking, too.

Magnolia,

    Your thought prints are showing.

I was thought printing!

I might have more patience with Kyle if he weren't so pretentious!

Janet...if I could reach you.....

... but you can't.

 

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

Janet,

Thank you for the prayer.  I saved it.  Might come in handy as I try to quit smoking, too.

Magnolia,

    Your thought prints are showing.

Jen and Klaas have successfully quit the habit.  You will have to get pointers from them.  My 60 year old neighbour has managed to quit a lifetime addiction "cold turkey" for almost eight months now.  She still wears the patch so ... maybe it is not "cold turkey" but ... she feels and looks great. 

Janet

I've been posting pretty much to myself in the Quit Smoking thread Klaas created in the Lounge.  You can read about it, there.