Lively Case Discussion #510 8/11 - 8/12/2006

[SunFreak2]

I hate to pull Simian out, but......

June 23, 2005 at 2:56 pm
There is a gap in the stories bewteen father & son.

June 23, 2005 at 3:03 pm
The gap is in the timeline.  Phone records. Log-on times on PC's.

June 23, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Steve Croes is singing

June 24, 2005 at 12:31pm
The father has two important rights:
1) One cannot testify against or for one's family.
2) He has the right not to incriminate himself.

June 24, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning.  No wonder he was late for school.

June 24, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father.  It was too hard for her and she could not handle the pressure.  I am done.  I am leaving now....

June 25, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate. The boy is mutilating his own tongue.  He doesn't want to let the old man down.

June 25, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home.  Joran stayed behind.  Somebody had to come get him.

June 25, 2005 at 7:50 pm
Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say.  They did not know why.  They were asked to protect the boy.  The father was not there, but he knew what to do.

The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

June 25, 2005 8:57 pm
The Babylonians might release the Hindus.

The boy knows his father knows the way.  He's been inside the palace for many years.  It has worked before.  This time too much is at stake.  This time there was someone there to hear the tree fall.

The music man is singing.  The Simian can't understand the words.

A bloody tongue is a bloody tongue.  Swollen & thick.  This boy is lost.


My comments:
Joran refuses to answer questions b/c of his father's arrest, as seen in his statement of June 24, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17th, released June 26th.  I hope we get his statements, too.  I wonder what all he said.  I wonder too if he witnessed it?

In retrospect, Simian seems to know the inside scoop on what is happening in Aruba before or right when it happens.  

This is interesting too:
Simian says:
June 24, 2005 at 3:05 pm
Dutch the west coast is busy..however, that road between the bushes is very hidden. Have taken girls there myself, but in cars.  If you are on foot it would be so easy to hide in the mangroves.  The fisherman's huts.  There are no streetlights there.

How come the "Black Team" was not aware is beyond me.  They are all over in that area.  At least they used to be.


Above photo: Search of the area around the Fisherman's Huts.

[Lala'sMom]

Gotta go to work, be back tonight.  Keep it under control monkeys.  

P.S. to  Nonesy...I made that payment today.

[Tylergal]

tylergal-

Do you get the feeling that I do, that maybe even Deepak has more morality <however tiny> than the VDS's do? unbelievable...

Absolutely.  I wish that we could get Deepak out of Aruba and in a witness protection program so he could talk.  It seems to me that Deepak & Joran were not really good friends, and Joran used Deepak that night because he could not get his PIMP friends.  Undoubtedly Deepak & Satish were going to be set up if Micky & Abraham failed to be prosecuted.  

Ono, you are right.  John Howard has been a great ally and Italy was until that socialist was elected.

[sharon]

Mrs Red, I have heard that about Fidel's brother and it concerns me he's hidden away since annoucing he is in charge. Yesterday I was also struck by the renewed importance of alliances for the US, such as what we have with Britain. It will be impossible to navigate this current discord safely without secure alliances, so that raises new fears in me.
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REALLY concerning living here in Miami.

Raul is 75 and in worse health than Fidel -- so I hear from the local Cuban population. So I'm not sure I'm buying into too much that they are reporting.

I have also heard that there is a 'structuring' going on that will put a cabinet of advisors together for Raul. So I wonder what is really happening.

Many Cubans here in Miami are calling for their remaining family in Cuba to revolt and overthrow.

Many Cubans here in Miami say that if the government is overthrown and a democratic government is put in place -- that they will leave the US and return to Cuba. What a mess.

Where's my mountain top? I think it's time for me to contemplate my navel and chant

sorry....back to Natalee.

[nonesuche]

yes he has Ono

Eurotrash for sure, maybe even Suriname has more morality of some kind than Aruba - sure smacks to think so. It is the most impoverished country in that region some say. At least in Suriname the K brothers got into trouble with the LE, amazing huh?

[the big hammer]

Their Lives Will Be Destroyed

...if they aren't already.

Will jossy be putting these statements on Dairio front page, one statement at a time, for the next 3 weeks?  Or will he break each statement into installments and serialize the content -- making this educational reading for the next 6 months?

What about the next round of msm reporting?  What will be said now?  How do Tacopina and Cohen spin this mess and evil depravity away?  What can they possibly say to make any of this better?

How does Anita hold a job around children at ISA, after these exposures?

How does paulus get a job, after it's clear his son and he are deviants?  Searching the internet re: "drugs & alcohol" on May 30, 2005?

How does Nadira get a job?  Her sons are predators.

And all the rest...

How do they wipe the stain away, when it is printed in the infiniteness of the web?  It will stay here forever, readable, accessible by everyone, everywhere.

Their lives are destroyed.  Utterly.

[Ono]

Mrs Red, I have heard that about Fidel's brother and it concerns me he's hidden away since annoucing he is in charge. Yesterday I was also struck by the renewed importance of alliances for the US, such as what we have with Britain. It will be impossible to navigate this current discord safely without secure alliances, so that raises new fears in me.

blah-

Was it Joran surfing for those answers or was it Paulus?

It says Paulus I guess.  This is incredible!!!!

Why are these assholes still walking around free???

Paulus.  I think you just said what Deepak said, "Your own father, unbelievable."

Yes...that has to be what he meant. It makes perfect sense.

[nonesuche]

sharon-

a snapshot of our world in this moment in time is far from pretty, can I go to the mountain-top with you?

[Tylergal]

The gun is interesting.  Now I am wondering if a gun was used.  Was it Deepak's gun?  Or is Deepak huffing and puffing to say he is not scared of Paulus & Joran because he has a gun.  Or is he reminding Joran that he got rid of the gun that Paulus used.

[nonesuche]

Hammer-

I would tend to share all of your sentiments, but I am haunted by the report that Joran was treated as a hero and congratulated upon the news that his father had won his suit for compensation last week.

So perhaps in Aruba lives aren't ruined but folk heros are made by those who slap the face of the dirty americans?

I feel for Jossy. Aruba reminds me of France during DeGaulle's regime, whatever hurts the dirty americans is AOK.

[sharon]

tylergal-

Do you get the feeling that I do, that maybe even Deepak has more morality <however tiny> than the VDS's do? unbelievable...

I'm not tylergal -- but, yes.

But apparently not enough for him to come forward with the truth as he knows it.

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[SunFreak2]

I've got to go on some errands.  Y'all keep up the great work!!  

[sharon]

sharon-

a snapshot of our world in this moment in time is far from pretty, can I go to the mountain-top with you?

 

Of course. As long as we don't talk about work

[Nut44x4]

tylergal-

Do you get the feeling that I do, that maybe even Deepak has more morality <however tiny> than the VDS's do? unbelievable...

Perhaps a little more, yes. I just wish he would crack' and tell ALL he knows. He could be a rich man, although he would have to leave Aruba. The ball is in his court. Deepak....do the right thing.

[SunFreak2]

I forgot to post this:

This was found on Andre' Santos Tickle page:
Lou-ann:
YO PIDGEON!!!! Hahahaha!!!! Whooo I haven't seen you in ages!! You're always dissing me for those hot American tourists at the Holiday Inn!! Hahaha! Well can can I say about you? You are truly unique for one! But you are sooo very annoying and so FRESH!! But deep inside there's thise itty bitty part of you that's nice too! Hahaha, nah you're a great person, always willing to have fun! I love that about you! Well we should go out drinking again, noh! We'll keep in touch! Luv yah and just admit it already that you luv me too!! Muahaha! Take care hun!

[Tylergal]

Hammer-

I would tend to share all of your sentiments, but I am haunted by the report that Joran was treated as a hero and congratulated upon the news that his father had won his suit for compensation last week.

So perhaps in Aruba lives aren't ruined but folk heros are made by those who slap the face of the dirty americans?

I feel for Jossy. Aruba reminds me of France during DeGaulle's regime, whatever hurts the dirty americans is AOK.

Are we not reminded of Neville Chamberlain?

[Ono]

yes he has Ono

Eurotrash for sure, maybe even Suriname has more morality of some kind than Aruba - sure smacks to think so. It is the most impoverished country in that region some say. At least in Suriname the K brothers got into trouble with the LE, amazing huh?

It's too weird for last night while reading I also beagn to see Deepak in a better light and then had to shake myself into reality, as we don't really know about him/Satish yet.  I wonder if he has regretted getting mixed up with these junior mobsters? He was decidedly the new hired chauffeur.

[nonesuche]

sharon-

a snapshot of our world in this moment in time is far from pretty, can I go to the mountain-top with you?

 

Of course. As long as we don't talk about work

cookies then?    

[Tylergal]

Is Friday navel gazing day?  

[sharon]

Another reason I want to carefully re-read the statements this weekend..

Joe Tapioca told us that the statements clearly show many avenues pointing away from Joran.

He must have said that thinking we would never see the statements.

Because so far....I haven't seen any avenues pointing anywhere except the original suspects.

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