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« Reply #900 on: October 24, 2009, 12:45:43 AM »

Billb.Just because Kobe & the Lakers are in SD doesn't give you a pass tonight....
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« Reply #901 on: October 24, 2009, 12:50:33 AM »

"But then, a day before we would start, the ministry of Justice ruins our plans. On the 21st of November 2007 Joran is arrested and brought back to Aruba."


"Joran boasts that he was too clever for the police and that soon he will be back in the Netherlands. On the 9th of January he arrives at Schiphol airport and one day later he meets up with Patrick to see his new Range Rover, the car that has been prepared with three hidden cameras."

"On the 10th of January 2008 we start our undercover operation."


KTF.....................................

When was Dolf/Mos aware of the Persistence coming down?

Is it odd to anyone that Joran is in Aruba until the cage/trap is found,dove on on the 7th of Jan,then flies back to the Netherlands 2 days later??

Then Range Rover tapings start on Jan 10th correct?


I may be in the minority but that is very odd to me.....JMOO



Do we have any FACTS relating to when Mos/Dolph were aware of the Persistence coming down?If they were aware of the Persistence coming down much earlier,which i believe they more then likely were....The timing of the arrest is beyond suspect,then remains there until 2 days after the Jan 7th dive,then goes back to the Netherlands....Please tell me that is not bizarre??Do i need to go to Den Dolder.....
Let's not forget that in late October/early November(?) ('07) Mos invited Beth to Aruba for a "Big Meeting". When she showed up,  Mos turned the tables on her and read her the "riot act"!!
I was never been more furious and vowed right then and there to NEVER trust Mos again!!!! Still don't. 
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« Reply #902 on: October 24, 2009, 12:52:22 AM »

"But then, a day before we would start, the ministry of Justice ruins our plans. On the 21st of November 2007 Joran is arrested and brought back to Aruba."


"Joran boasts that he was too clever for the police and that soon he will be back in the Netherlands. On the 9th of January he arrives at Schiphol airport and one day later he meets up with Patrick to see his new Range Rover, the car that has been prepared with three hidden cameras."

"On the 10th of January 2008 we start our undercover operation."


KTF.....................................

When was Dolf/Mos aware of the Persistence coming down?

Is it odd to anyone that Joran is in Aruba until the cage/trap is found,dove on on the 7th of Jan,then flies back to the Netherlands 2 days later??

Then Range Rover tapings start on Jan 10th correct?


I may be in the minority but that is very odd to me.....JMOO



Do we have any FACTS relating to when Mos/Dolph were aware of the Persistence coming down?If they were aware of the Persistence coming down much earlier,which i believe they more then likely were....The timing of the arrest is beyond suspect,then remains there until 2 days after the Jan 7th dive,then goes back to the Netherlands....Please tell me that is not bizarre??Do i need to go to Den Dolder.....
Very good question. I'm in the minority too.....but I don't think it is to much of a stretch to think that there may have been some hinky-ness surrounding the RR confession.

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« Reply #903 on: October 24, 2009, 12:55:12 AM »

wreck...ktf...you two are too fast for me tonight...I have to go back to timelines before I post...takes time for this old guy
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« Reply #904 on: October 24, 2009, 12:56:09 AM »

Who needs a computer full of quotes when you have em right here!I put more credence in this then the Range Rover tapes which are full of a lot of Bullsh-IT.I find more truth in the police car transcripts then those in a heart beat............

This is a transcript from a translation done by an internet poster called Arubagirl.  It has been fomatted for easier reading.  This conversation was recorded without the knowlege of the participants as they all three sat in the back seat of a police car on June 24th.
 

Deepak:  How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit.  (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your father.  You know it. That he wasn't arrested.
Joran: How? How? (stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers.  And this is how you pay it back. (now with an angry voice) I should hit you both once [een klap moeten geven].
Deepak: Then try it. You can make it better in one time.
Joran:  About what? You can also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak:  I'm going home.
Joran:  Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak:  I guarantee you.
Joran: Don't you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish touched a girl with the car? 
[the word 'geraakt' is being used, translated here literally, but you can use the word 'hit' also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], you let me laugh boy, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [choller]?  I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend.
Deepak:  And, I also said that.
Joran:  That I have not read. I have also read that statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish:   I have already told that before.  I have also said that in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That is what the police tells me now.  Police says now to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We don't put you in trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two don't do.  The half of what you two have said isn't the fxxxing truth. It will come forward. Just like they check me, they check you two also.
Satish:  With us, with us, can they get evidence, but with you not. [ a bit unclear: It's: bij ons, bij ons. Kunnen zij bewijzen krijgen, maar bij jou nief] With lies, you don't get evidence,
Joran:  All that shit of "Karen," all of you two don't know of no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak:  You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran:  We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran:  I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see
Satish:  I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak:  I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran:  I have said nothing about burying.  The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right?   Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right.  And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran:  Who has said that?
Satish:  You said that.
Joran:  I have never said that friend.  I have never said that you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.
Joran:  We will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran:  The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak:  Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran:  What my father, it is your fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father
Satish:  We didn't declare anything.
Joran:  Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran:  You are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body], there is no case or I don't what.  All shit. That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is, if there is no body [lichaam = body], then there isn't a case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran:  That's not true.
Deepak:  I also said in my statement, that it wasn't meant like that.
Joran:  Didn't read it in your statement. They use that now against my father.
Deepak:  We suffered a lot because of you.
Joran:  That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It doesn't make a fxxxing difference to me. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers:  Me too.  Me too.
Joran:  And you Satish, they're telling me that you asshole, see ghosts in the [jail]cell. They told me that you saw the girl in your cell and that you were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two other boys were seeing ghosts.  You also believe the people who are here in jail. That has nothing to do with ghosts and that is just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you.  And also the two security guards, they have guaranteed me that they will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran:  Who has declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? because I don't want to put anyone in trouble who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You admitted that.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran:  You two paid him off, right.
Brothers:   ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran:  You said then via the telephone like, that I have the jackpot. You said now [?] through the phone , I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget that the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak:  Shut your trap [hou je bek]
Joran:  You forget that, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it". Good for you [meaning your own fault]. because of you he is also in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers)Man, what can you go do? [illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe] 
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no.
Brothers: Fxxx you, we don't talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak:  Shut your trap.  Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran:  If my father doesn't leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth before I hit it shut.
Deepak: Do it then, you're already in jail.
Joran:  Doesn't matter to me. They can even put me in the fxxxing solitary [cashot]. It doesn't matter to me.
Deepak:  They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Joran:  For what? for what?
Deepak:  That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who?  By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn't lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran:  I should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Won't be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge of instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran:  Then they are also allowed to hit me. Do you think that it makes a difference to me. One slap will be enough.
Satish:  You think, you think.
Joran:  What do you think, that you are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish:  Look, the police already went to my house and already investigated [searched] the house. Did they find a gun? What will she get?  ["Wat zal zij krijgen." The word 'zij' is for the word 'she' or for 'they', but they use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why is that shit not true?  Witnesses saw you.
Satish:  In the end we will see, who gets out and who stays.  You tell the truth, we shall see.
Joran:  I know that I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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« Reply #905 on: October 24, 2009, 12:56:55 AM »

Good Night Monkeys

 

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« Reply #906 on: October 24, 2009, 12:57:53 AM »

Good Night Monkeys

 

Janet
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GoodNight & God Bless Janet!
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« Reply #907 on: October 24, 2009, 01:01:12 AM »

"But then, a day before we would start, the ministry of Justice ruins our plans. On the 21st of November 2007 Joran is arrested and brought back to Aruba."


"Joran boasts that he was too clever for the police and that soon he will be back in the Netherlands. On the 9th of January he arrives at Schiphol airport and one day later he meets up with Patrick to see his new Range Rover, the car that has been prepared with three hidden cameras."

"On the 10th of January 2008 we start our undercover operation."


KTF.....................................

When was Dolf/Mos aware of the Persistence coming down?

Is it odd to anyone that Joran is in Aruba until the cage/trap is found,dove on on the 7th of Jan,then flies back to the Netherlands 2 days later??

Then Range Rover tapings start on Jan 10th correct?


I may be in the minority but that is very odd to me.....JMOO



Do we have any FACTS relating to when Mos/Dolph were aware of the Persistence coming down?If they were aware of the Persistence coming down much earlier,which i believe they more then likely were....The timing of the arrest is beyond suspect,then remains there until 2 days after the Jan 7th dive,then goes back to the Netherlands....Please tell me that is not bizarre??Do i need to go to Den Dolder.....
Very good question. I'm in the minority too.....but I don't think it is to much of a stretch to think that there may have been some hinky-ness surrounding the RR confession.



I do take Jen3560,Madrina's,As well as Magnolia's points VERY seriously.It is entirely possible that Patrick & Joran potentially duped Peter.....It's very tough on my brain...Don't send me to Den dolder yet Madrina....
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« Reply #908 on: October 24, 2009, 01:01:59 AM »

aruba did have a heads up in July 2007 that a water search plan was getting serious...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/15/texas-equusearch-going-back-to-aruba-in-3-4-weeks-with-superior-offshore-international-to-search-for-natalee-holloway/
I ttok this from Lifesongs Timeline - Thank you Lifesong!
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« Reply #909 on: October 24, 2009, 01:02:37 AM »

Keepthefaith, Mere, billb, Magnolia, wreck, texasmom


Oh no,the Trike Police..




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« Reply #910 on: October 24, 2009, 01:04:29 AM »

Okay, one last revelation for the night......... think about this hard:

IF
Mos/Aruba were in cahoots with Devries, -this was all conjured up to exonerate the Kalpoes, exonerate Paulus, mitigate Joran's culpability, on and on...... what happened ???????????????????????????????? I see no effort to follow through on this plan!!!! Why isn't Aruba trying to claim DeVries was 100% correct????? Why did Caps et al have to come up with the pond hoax???  If the plan all along was to stage the whole thing ......... why isn't Aruba trying to say "this IS what happened and just move along -- it's over"??????????????
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« Reply #911 on: October 24, 2009, 01:13:24 AM »

Okay, one last revelation for the night......... think about this hard:

IF
Mos/Aruba were in cahoots with Devries, -this was all conjured up to exonerate the Kalpoes, exonerate Paulus, mitigate Joran's culpability, on and on...... what happened ???????????????????????????????? I see no effort to follow through on this plan!!!! Why isn't Aruba trying to claim DeVries was 100% correct????? Why did Caps et al have to come up with the pond hoax???  If the plan all along was to stage the whole thing ......... why isn't Aruba trying to say "this IS what happened and just move along -- it's over"??????????????

Those are great qustions Wreck & food for thought.As i've said before.I don't trust Peter but,i'm not ready to throw him under the bus.Is it possible he was duped?Yes...The timing of Joran being arrested in Nov,in Aruba during the Persistence search until two days after the infamous Jan 7th dive,then leaves Aruba on Jan 9th.....Range Rover tapes start on Jan 10th!!!

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« Reply #912 on: October 24, 2009, 01:13:28 AM »

Hittin' the rack!! Goodnight all! I know we are all on the same team here --- I hope none of you take my comments as any thing but MY thoughts. I respect EVERYONE'S opinion here!!
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« Reply #913 on: October 24, 2009, 01:15:24 AM »

Hittin' the rack!! Goodnight all! I know we are all on the same team here --- I hope none of you take my comments as any thing but MY thoughts. I respect EVERYONE'S opinion here!!

Wreck.You are good people!If TM,and or Magnolia send me to Den Dolder,i know i can trust that you will visit and bring me chocolate bars for treats...
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« Reply #914 on: October 24, 2009, 01:16:18 AM »

I guess the biggest problem I have with the RR confessions is that Peter appears to use it as urine is the main culprit....exonerating k2 and letting it stand that urine is solely responsible...Peter's only remark to Greta when interview was that paulass smuggled a phone into urine when urine was in jail....
To me...the only takeaway is that urine mentioned Natalee shaking uncontrollably...same thing fat dennis and ale asked Beth and Dave first 48 hrs...That only shows urine was there (Duh) and ALE/OM covered up from the beginning (Duh).
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« Reply #915 on: October 24, 2009, 01:16:34 AM »

Hittin' the rack!! Goodnight all! I know we are all on the same team here --- I hope none of you take my comments as any thing but MY thoughts. I respect EVERYONE'S opinion here!!

Wreck.You are good people!If TM,and or Magnolia send me to Den Dolder,i know i can trust that you will visit and bring me chocolate bars for treats...


Mere will be patrolling the hallways to assure that KTF does not run over any other patients with his trike......
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« Reply #916 on: October 24, 2009, 01:20:32 AM »

I guess the biggest problem I have with the RR confessions is that Peter appears to use it as urine is the main culprit....exonerating k2 and letting it stand that urine is solely responsible...Peter's only remark to Greta when interview was that paulass smuggled a phone into urine when urine was in jail....
To me...the only takeaway is that urine mentioned Natalee shaking uncontrollably...same thing fat dennis and ale asked Beth and Dave first 48 hrs...That only shows urine was there (Duh) and ALE/OM covered up from the beginning (Duh).

I said it was my last post .....oh well!!  I don't think we are saying we think DeVries is CORRECT in his theory  (he just hasn't followed every detail like we have)  - we are saying that we think he is "sincere".
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« Reply #917 on: October 24, 2009, 01:21:46 AM »

I guess the biggest problem I have with the RR confessions is that Peter appears to use it as urine is the main culprit....exonerating k2 and letting it stand that urine is solely responsible...Peter's only remark to Greta when interview was that paulass smuggled a phone into urine when urine was in jail....
To me...the only takeaway is that urine mentioned Natalee shaking uncontrollably...same thing fat dennis and ale asked Beth and Dave first 48 hrs...That only shows urine was there (Duh) and ALE/OM covered up from the beginning (Duh).

I said it was my last post .....oh well!!  I don't think we are saying we think DeVries is CORRECT in his theory  (he just hasn't followed every detail like we have)  - we are saying that we think he is "sincere".

That very well may be true!
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« Reply #918 on: October 24, 2009, 01:28:02 AM »

Okay, one last revelation for the night......... think about this hard:

IF
Mos/Aruba were in cahoots with Devries, -this was all conjured up to exonerate the Kalpoes, exonerate Paulus, mitigate Joran's culpability, on and on...... what happened ???????????????????????????????? I see no effort to follow through on this plan!!!! Why isn't Aruba trying to claim DeVries was 100% correct????? Why did Caps et al have to come up with the pond hoax???  If the plan all along was to stage the whole thing ......... why isn't Aruba trying to say "this IS what happened and just move along -- it's over"??????????????
Good questions wreck...
My take...aruba/ale/mos are in the drivers seat...the more distractions, the better...they never planned on solving this case...the only efforts are to discredit/ignore any theories that lead to paulass, urine, k2...ale...om.
Thet closed the case....everyone is free to do whatever....no need to admit anything.....
Maybe the newly placed government will take up the cause; until then - nada.....mos has already moved on and the island powers that be don't seem motivated to solve Natalee's case regardless of the consequences to their tourist industry...
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« Reply #919 on: October 24, 2009, 01:49:59 AM »

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

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UNTIL JUSTICE IS SERVED


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