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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08 (Read 260042 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #60 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:12:03 AM »
For a long time we have been going back and forth about whether Natalee's remains are in the fish cage or the cemetery. Perhaps, if what Caps has just told us, both locations could be correct. Tim saw the skull in the cage and we saw the picture. Caps tells us that he has information that Natalee is in the cemetery. Unfortunately, both locations could be correct.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #61 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:15:28 AM »
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
You know. it takes a long time to dismember an animal.(Pig, Cow, Deer)
It takes really sharp knives and saws and special knowledge.
It is hard to believe that those nit wits could do such a thing.
And where could they have done such a messy job?
Maybe the bloody matress at the Sloots or the Sloot bathtub?
There would have been blood everywhere.
Wasn’t it after the mattress was found that van der Straten said he thought that Natalee was no longer alive?
Recall something about a mattress on Joran’s apartment floor…didn’t he have a bed? or did they get rid of it?
I think that the bloody mattress was found that first weekend after Natalee
disappeared. It was immediately classified as insignificant. That was the
first red flag to me.
I think one of the Kalpoes talked about having to sit on the floor in Joran's
apartment.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #62 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:18:04 AM »
Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 07:31:57 AM
I feel sick after Caps's revelations, although I have suspected for a long time that dismemberment could have been likely. Urine van der Sloot is an animal and the heinous truth about Natalee's disappearance has to be revealed.
I am lurking. BUT I always come to Natalee first EVERY day. I have kept up to date on all the goings on of this vile human being.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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November 15, 2008, 11:24:35 AM »
Goodmorning Monkeys,
Anybody knows where this Masonic cemetery is located? TIA
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #64 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:27:48 AM »
Quote from: bastibro on November 15, 2008, 11:24:35 AM
Goodmorning Monkeys,
Anybody knows where this Masonic cemetery is located? TIA
I do not know how to spell it, it is in Oranstead.....sp???
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #65 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:33:18 AM »
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
You know. it takes a long time to dismember an animal.(Pig, Cow, Deer)
It takes really sharp knives and saws and special knowledge.
It is hard to believe that those nit wits could do such a thing.
And where could they have done such a messy job?
Maybe the bloody matress at the Sloots or the Sloot bathtub?
There would have been blood everywhere.
Wasn’t it after the mattress was found that van der Straten said he thought that Natalee was no longer alive?
Recall something about a mattress on Joran’s apartment floor…didn’t he have a bed? or did they get rid of it?
I think that the bloody mattress was found that first weekend after Natalee
disappeared. It was immediately classified as insignificant. That was the
first red flag to me.
I think one of the Kalpoes talked about having to sit on the floor in Joran's
apartment.
Was it ALE who determined that the blood on the mattress was from a dog? Did the FBI ever make a comment? Did we ever know the size of the mattress? Would the mattress have fit the bed in Urine's apartment or possibly the bed in the Matty Apts.?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #66 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:38:31 AM »
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 10:36:47 AM
I need confirmation that Echo tech actually drained the pond. Anyone?
Interesting, EcoTech, a waste management company, is owned by Meta Corp. ATCO Aruba is associated with EcoTech.
METACORP
MetaCorp is an Aruba-based holding company since 1920, which has been active on Aruba in almost all fields of expertise, owning two Renaissance hotels, two Casinos, two Shopping Centers, a Convention Center, a Marina, a Theatre, a Cinema and a Private Island.
As a holding it boasts an array of other different companies that are related to or owned by MetaCorp.
Some other companies:
Balashi Beer (the only beer brewed on Aruba)
Coca-Cola factory
ICS - Intermodal Container Services (Representative
of Mearsk Line and P&O)
ECOTECH (Waste management)
ATCO (Container hauling, heavy equipment and concrete)
MetaCorp is now extending its companies (ICS and ATCO) in Curaçao with another Renaissance Resort & Casino, with two Shopping Malls (including the Rif Fort Festival Plaza and Shops), a Parking Garage, a Private Beach and Cinema. This is the most beautiful upcoming project. It's the jewel before entering the natural harbor and the first sight arriving from the cruise ships on the Mega Pier. MetaCorp has turned its eyes to the future and broadened its horizons on Curaçao, with prospects for upcoming projects in the Dutch Antilles.
Please also visit the websites of our subsidiary companies:
Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino
Renaissance Mall & Marketplace
Intermodal Container Services
Ecotech Aruba & ATCO Aruba
Balashi
Coca-Cola Aruba
http://www.renaissancecuracao.com/01b.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #67 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:38:33 AM »
Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
You know. it takes a long time to dismember an animal.(Pig, Cow, Deer)
It takes really sharp knives and saws and special knowledge.
It is hard to believe that those nit wits could do such a thing.
And where could they have done such a messy job?
Maybe the bloody matress at the Sloots or the Sloot bathtub?
There would have been blood everywhere.
Wasn’t it after the mattress was found that van der Straten said he thought that Natalee was no longer alive?
Recall something about a mattress on Joran’s apartment floor…didn’t he have a bed? or did they get rid of it?
I think that the bloody mattress was found that first weekend after Natalee
disappeared. It was immediately classified as insignificant. That was the
first red flag to me.
I think one of the Kalpoes talked about having to sit on the floor in Joran's
apartment.
Was it ALE who determined that the blood on the mattress was from a dog? Did the FBI ever make a comment? Did we ever know the size of the mattress? Would the mattress have fit the bed in Urine's apartment or possibly the bed in the Matty Apts.?
I wish
Kermit
would hop on in for a minute and help us out. Does Caps' recent post mean that his theory is not at odds with findings of the Persistence, and whatever Kermit knows?
TIA, Kermit.
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bastibro
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #68 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:38:52 AM »
These are up-to date maps, i think Mc D is still at the same location(near Wendy`s fastfood)
below gives an indication of distance
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #69 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:47:11 AM »
Quote from: bastibro on November 15, 2008, 11:24:35 AM
Goodmorning Monkeys,
Anybody knows where this Masonic cemetery is located? TIA
You have probably seen this before but look at El Sol NACIENTE @113
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #70 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:50:28 AM »
Quote from: Helen Back on November 15, 2008, 11:38:33 AM
Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
You know. it takes a long time to dismember an animal.(Pig, Cow, Deer)
It takes really sharp knives and saws and special knowledge.
It is hard to believe that those nit wits could do such a thing.
And where could they have done such a messy job?
Maybe the bloody matress at the Sloots or the Sloot bathtub?
There would have been blood everywhere.
Wasn’t it after the mattress was found that van der Straten said he thought that Natalee was no longer alive?
Recall something about a mattress on Joran’s apartment floor…didn’t he have a bed? or did they get rid of it?
I think that the bloody mattress was found that first weekend after Natalee
disappeared. It was immediately classified as insignificant. That was the
first red flag to me.
I think one of the Kalpoes talked about having to sit on the floor in Joran's
apartment.
Was it ALE who determined that the blood on the mattress was from a dog? Did the FBI ever make a comment? Did we ever know the size of the mattress? Would the mattress have fit the bed in Urine's apartment or possibly the bed in the Matty Apts.?
I wish
Kermit
would hop on in for a minute and help us out. Does Caps' recent post mean that his theory is not at odds with findings of the Persistence, and whatever Kermit knows?
TIA, Kermit.
We have been looking at an either/or scenario which would exclude the information from one source or the other. Perhaps the answer is both. Kermit has been indicating for a long time that we should focus on the fish trap, but that photograph looks like it could be a skull without the rest of the skeleton.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #71 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:57:20 AM »
Quote from: Pita on November 15, 2008, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 10:36:47 AM
I need confirmation that Echo tech actually drained the pond. Anyone?
Interesting, EcoTech, a waste management company, is owned by Meta Corp. ATCO Aruba is associated with EcoTech.
METACORP
MetaCorp is an Aruba-based holding company since 1920, which has been active on Aruba in almost all fields of expertise, owning two Renaissance hotels, two Casinos, two Shopping Centers, a Convention Center, a Marina, a Theatre, a Cinema and a Private Island.
As a holding it boasts an array of other different companies that are related to or owned by MetaCorp.
Some other companies:
Balashi Beer (the only beer brewed on Aruba)
Coca-Cola factory
ICS - Intermodal Container Services (Representative
of Mearsk Line and P&O)
ECOTECH (Waste management)
ATCO (Container hauling, heavy equipment and concrete)
MetaCorp is now extending its companies (ICS and ATCO) in Curaçao with another Renaissance Resort & Casino, with two Shopping Malls (including the Rif Fort Festival Plaza and Shops), a Parking Garage, a Private Beach and Cinema. This is the most beautiful upcoming project. It's the jewel before entering the natural harbor and the first sight arriving from the cruise ships on the Mega Pier. MetaCorp has turned its eyes to the future and broadened its horizons on Curaçao, with prospects for upcoming projects in the Dutch Antilles.
Please also visit the websites of our subsidiary companies:
Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino
Renaissance Mall & Marketplace
Intermodal Container Services
Ecotech Aruba & ATCO Aruba
Balashi
Coca-Cola Aruba
http://www.renaissancecuracao.com/01b.html
Interesting isn't it Pita....The other Marriott! Down near where Melody saw Joran that night before midnight.
Did you see that they also ship trash in container ships to Venezuela and Columbia?
Caps should be able to fill us in on the pond draining.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #72 on:
November 15, 2008, 11:58:42 AM »
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on November 15, 2008, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 07:31:57 AM
I feel sick after Caps's revelations, although I have suspected for a long time that dismemberment could have been likely. Urine van der Sloot is an animal and the heinous truth about Natalee's disappearance has to be revealed.
I am lurking. BUT I always come to Natalee first EVERY day. I have kept up to date on all the goings on of this vile human being.
I come here first everyday also.These are the most disgusting animals I have ever witnessed
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: always 1 on November 15, 2008, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: bastibro on November 15, 2008, 11:24:35 AM
Goodmorning Monkeys,
Anybody knows where this Masonic cemetery is located? TIA
You have probably seen this before but look at El Sol NACIENTE @113
Hi A-1, We have seen pictures of the Masonic cemetery and we know that it is somewhere in Oranjestadt, but I don't know if we have an exact street address for the location.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 11:12:03 AM
For a long time we have been going back and forth about whether Natalee's remains are in the fish cage or the cemetery. Perhaps, if what Caps has just told us, both locations could be correct. Tim saw the skull in the cage and we saw the picture. Caps tells us that he has information that Natalee is in the cemetery. Unfortunately, both locations could be correct.
If she had been put in the cage ... and say the cage was anchored in the ocean, much like a "crab pot" ... and pulled up later ... would there really be the need for "disection" as stated in another post? I mean ... couldn't he have left her until there was nothing but bones then "laid them to rest" (in his own sick, twisted way) ... in perhaps the cemetary? There would be no decomp to deal with that way ..
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #75 on:
November 15, 2008, 12:05:08 PM »
Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
You know. it takes a long time to dismember an animal.(Pig, Cow, Deer)
It takes really sharp knives and saws and special knowledge.
It is hard to believe that those nit wits could do such a thing.
And where could they have done such a messy job?
Maybe the bloody matress at the Sloots or the Sloot bathtub?
There would have been blood everywhere.
Wasn’t it after the mattress was found that van der Straten said he thought that Natalee was no longer alive?
Recall something about a mattress on Joran’s apartment floor…didn’t he have a bed? or did they get rid of it?
I think that the bloody mattress was found that first weekend after Natalee
disappeared. It was immediately classified as insignificant. That was the
first red flag to me.
I think one of the Kalpoes talked about having to sit on the floor in Joran's
apartment.
Was it ALE who determined that the blood on the mattress was from a dog? Did the FBI ever make a comment? Did we ever know the size of the mattress? Would the mattress have fit the bed in Urine's apartment or possibly the bed in the Matty Apts.?
It was ALE who made that determination, because a dead dog was found nearby.
No comment from the FBI that I ever heard. I don't know that they were consulted.
From the pictures I saw of the mattress it like a double size.
From pictures of Joran's apartment, he had a double size mattress.
I have no idea what size beds the Matty Apts had.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Reply #76 on:
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Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: always 1 on November 15, 2008, 11:47:11 AM
Quote from: bastibro on November 15, 2008, 11:24:35 AM
Goodmorning Monkeys,
Anybody knows where this Masonic cemetery is located? TIA
You have probably seen this before but look at El Sol NACIENTE @113
Hi A-1, We have seen pictures of the Masonic cemetery and we know that it is somewhere in Oranjestadt, but I don't know if we have an exact street address for the location.
I think that the Masonic Cemetery is a part of the large cemetery in Oranjestadt.
Just a special section of the main cemetery. Back left corner if I remember.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 10:51:52 AM
Thanks Sharon
...Interesting!
Any thoughts on if Caps' theory is true that they would a Crypt? TIA
There has always been something about 'no body, no case' that gave me the shivers and it sorta rules out the crypt in my mind.
And I am one of the folks that definitely sees 'things' in the white plastic bag
Although I can't really say that it is anything other than 'eerie'.
And the comment about the 'rocks' being the scene of 'preparation' has always been a possibility in my mind.
But then again -- it all fits so nicely, I'm pretty sure that it is exactly what someone wanted us to believe. So that makes it hard to believe.
Truth? Or the misinformation campaign?
So -- the body switch in the coffin has just as much merit.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Does anyone have the original crude translation from Paps of the witness statement that first appeared in Diario? I could be incorrect, but I recall the original witness statement saying something about the color of red on Urine's shirt, but when we received a finished English translation of the article, the sentence said that Urine was wearing a red shirt. We had discussions about a red shirt, because the witness statements indicated that he was wearing a blue and white shirt. I think the original statement might have said something like sangria (sp) on the shirt. I don't speak Spanish or Paps, so I accepted it as a red shirt when the final translation came out.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: invision on November 15, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 11:12:03 AM
For a long time we have been going back and forth about whether Natalee's remains are in the fish cage or the cemetery. Perhaps, if what Caps has just told us, both locations could be correct. Tim saw the skull in the cage and we saw the picture. Caps tells us that he has information that Natalee is in the cemetery. Unfortunately, both locations could be correct.
If she had been put in the cage ... and say the cage was anchored in the ocean, much like a "crab pot" ... and pulled up later ... would there really be the need for "disection" as stated in another post? I mean ... couldn't he have left her until there was nothing but bones then "laid them to rest" (in his own sick, twisted way) ... in perhaps the cemetary? There would be no decomp to deal with that way ..
Good thought Invision. I think we're looking at a possiblity that she was dismembered before the skull was placed in the trap and that parts of her remains were possibly put in other places, including the cemetery.
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===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
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=> Natalee Holloway
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