Natalee Case Discussion #678 8/16 - 8/26/2007

[klaasend]

Personally, I think Chavez would be more likely to grant permission to search than Aruba!  After all, HE has nothing to hide.

JMO

Anna - I agree.

[hummingbird7525]

OMG, lots more reading after I googled the Monroe Doctrine.  Bout the only thing I retained, and remembered as a child was Roosevelt adding the the Doctrine, "Speak softly and carry a big stick!" That sounds like a plan!!!!
I got to go, home stuff calls.  Night My Monkeys sleep tight.

[klaasend]

Nite HB

[wreck]

Thanks Wreck,
But I didn't like all those question marks.  I'm not sure what that is, I will have to "google".

LOL -- I'm not sure either (my history lessons were a long time ago).
Basically, the Monroe Doctrine sets the United States to be the "enforcer" in the entire "Americas" and the Carribean. (Don't mess with Texas... U.S.A.

[Anna]

Personally, I think Chavez would be more likely to grant permission to search than Aruba!  After all, HE has nothing to hide.

JMO

Anna - I agree.

Seriously!  Chavez loves to be seen as some fake humanitarian. 

And that's a good thing to use if needed.

[wreck]

Personally, I think Chavez would be more likely to grant permission to search than Aruba!  After all, HE has nothing to hide.

JMO

Anna - I agree.

If Chavez thinks anything will benefit the U.S. -- he will oppose it.

Seriously!  Chavez loves to be seen as some fake humanitarian. 

And that's a good thing to use if needed.

[wreck]

messed up reply:
"If Chavez thinks anything will benefit the U.S. -- he will oppose it."

(.... I still think the whole U.S.A. ''silence" here has to do with Chavez/Aruba/Sovergnity issuses anyways)

[wreck]

messed up reply:
"If Chavez thinks anything will benefit the U.S. -- he will oppose it."

(.... I still think the whole U.S.A. ''silence" here has to do with Chavez/Aruba/Sovereignty issues anyways)

... the F.B.I. knows, our State Department knows, the KLPD knows, and The Netherlands Govt. knows

[Anna]

Now keep in mind this is the World Court, etc. under the auspecies of the UN, and not Dutch law being applied.  But isn't it ironic they would be asked to host this when they won't even prosecute street crime in their own country!

Dutch to host special tribunal on Lebanon killings

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKN1721284420070817?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews


Makes me sick.  How dare they pretend this great love of justice when doing nothing for Natalee.   

[Kermit]

"While still on my October trip to Aruba, Art accompanied me to see Beth’s attorney, Helen Lejuez. She informed us that Jan van der Straten had been responsible for a previous cover-up on the island" (Holloway p. 185)

Do we know anything about what kind of coverup that was "supercop" Jan was responsible for, who were the principals involved, when?

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« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2005, 03:44:24 PM »
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Shango is saying the media really need to investigate and dig up stuff about why the polis chief is leaving. The light needs to shine in that direction and not for everyone to say: oh good! he is leaving, he was corrupt and leave it at that.
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[Observer]

"While still on my October trip to Aruba, Art accompanied me to see Beth’s attorney, Helen Lejuez. She informed us that Jan van der Straten had been responsible for a previous cover-up on the island" (Holloway p. 185)

Do we know anything about what kind of coverup that was "supercop" Jan was responsible for, who were the principals involved, when?

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Shango is saying the media really need to investigate and dig up stuff about why the polis chief is leaving. The light needs to shine in that direction and not for everyone to say: oh good! he is leaving, he was corrupt and leave it at that.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1840.40

Riight..How could he lead a proper Investigation against his best friends son? He absolutely killed the Investigation,said he was retiring to holland then took the Police Commissioner Position in Bonaire. This is the guy started the coverup,tried to frame two innocent people then helped destroy all the evidence. I would imagine the Van Der Sloots owe this guy big..

[wreck]

"While still on my October trip to Aruba, Art accompanied me to see Beth’s attorney, Helen Lejuez. She informed us that Jan van der Straten had been responsible for a previous cover-up on the island" (Holloway p. 185)

Do we know anything about what kind of cover-up that was "supercop" Jan was responsible for, who were the principals involved, when?

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Shango is saying the media really need to investigate and dig up stuff about why the polis chief is leaving. The light needs to shine in that direction and not for everyone to say: oh good! he is leaving, he was corrupt and leave it at that.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1840.40

With Dutch law so over-whelming favoring "suspects" and with previous "rulings" by Judges such as Witt and Smit -- I suspect the KLPD would have to spend more time and energy bringing down these corrupt officials than actually being able to prosecute the actual perps at this stage of the investigation. I fear J2K&P are going to skate -- but Jacobs, VDSt, etc. are the ones to go down. ( like double jeopardy)

[robots]

joran is a pig 

[IBE]

Robots I have found you, yippee!!

[msmarple]

There are two articles in today's Diario about Hurricane Dean. One is about the hurricane itself, the other is about preparation on the island.

The hurricane is projected about 450 km from Aruba, so it is not really on the path. However rough water, and a lot of rain and wind are expected.

From what I see on the "projection cone" the worst of the weather for Aruba would be this evening, around 5:00 p.m.

Jamaica is currently right smack on the path, could be a Level 4 or even 5 force.

The Yucatan peninsula (Cancun etc.) also is on the path, and projected at Level 5 at that point. Hurricanes are very rare there, but it does happen. (I was at Cancun one week before Gilbert hit in 1988. I think one of the 2005 hurricanes also went through the area.)

A reminder that one of the 2005 hurricanes on a similar path took an abrupt right turn and hit Florida.

[robots]

Robots I have found you, yippee!!

 

[JuJu]

Hurricane Dean Nightly Broadcast:  http://www.hurricanecity.com/live1.htm

[klaasend]

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[Nut44x4]

http://www.24ora.com/ BREAKING NEWS...........???

Nos a compronde cu awe mainta trempan na costa noord di Aruba weso a wordo haña. E wesonan aki a wordo haña net banda di e brug chiquito na costa. E wesonan lo mester tin basta aña eynan caba pero tawata bow tera. E lama bruto cu tin awor lo mester a coba pa asina e wesonan por a wordo mira. E prome informa ta bisa cu nan lo mester ta weso humano. Pronto mas informacion y imagen!


Translation vis PAP>>>>
we owing to compronde cu today morning trempan at costa north of aruba bone owing to wordo find. the wesonan here owing to wordo find just near of the bridge chiquito at costa. the wesonan will have to have enough year eynan end but tawata bow ground. the lama bruto cu have now will have to owing to coba for so the wesonan can owing to wordo see. the first informa is tell cu they will have to is bone human. soon more informacion y imagen!

mmmmmmmmm.......a BONE found???

[Tamikosmom]

So I guess it was OK for Paulus to quiz Freddie because he was not Joran's OFFICIAL attorney at the time:

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The Code of Conduct of the Dutch Bar Association is somewhat ambivalent on the matter of lawyers conducting pre-trial investigations and certainly there is a taboo on speaking to a witness pre trial; although not expressly forbidden, it is simply not done. . . .

According to the following translation of Joran's book ... Joran's mother Anita and his attorney, Antonio Carlo, did all the questioning of Freddy ... not Paulus.  Anna ... when the "The Code of Conduct of the Dutch Bar Association" is taken into consideration ... Antonio Carlo's was committing a violation of its provisions.

Joran's Book

Page 154, Freddy after his June 12 statement:

(Joran) That night Freddy, per request of my mother, visited, to tell
everything.
 
Freddy's parents are coming along, because they do not find it a good
idea that Freddy goes alone. Besides my father Paul and my mother Anita.
 
My lawyer Anthony Carlo is also present at our home per request of my mother.

My mother asks Freddy to tell everything again.
 
Freddy: I could see on Anita's face that she did not know Joran had
left the girl on the beach and that he has lost his shoes. I also told
that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran. Anita could not believe everything I was telling. (as in amazed).
 
Carlo asks several times why Freddy thinks that Joran left his shoes behind.  Freddy answers: Joran did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach and probably left them behind because of that. Freddy tells the beachstory again that I would have told him on Monday May 30.
 
Carlo in between asks questions all the time.

Freddy: I felt he asked me those things because he thought that me as a good friend of Joran could understand why he had done these things. I do not believe he asked those questions because he thought Joran would have told me, because he repeated every time: Why do you think that?
 
My father does not ask Freddy anything, but he does react on Freddy's answers to my mother. He says: why does Joran lie, and why did he not tell us that?
 
My mother had promised the conversation would last 10 minutes max, but after half an hour Freddy's father gets up.
 
My parents did not agree with Joran's parents having invited me, Freddy says.
 
After Carlo had called the head officer for permission to visit me, he
confronts me with what Freddy had said. I immediately admitted I had
lied and that Freddy was telling the truth.

Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Freddy ZEDAN came to our house out of his own accord or whether I had invited him, I can state the following. According to me Freddy phoned my wife after he had been questioned by the police. According to me he and his girlfriend came over to see my wife and he told what he had stated to the police. I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear everything Freddy was saying. Only at the end of the conversation I joined them. My wife and I were angry at Joran, because he did not tell the truth from the beginning. My wife planned to confront Joran with Freddy's statements. That night we were going to have a meeting with Mr. A. CARLO, this was a previously planned meeting. My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer. I am convinced that Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible.