Natalee Case Discussion #709 12/30 - 1/3/08

[robots]

The main difference in Lorenzo and Koen and Freddie is the fact that we have one police interview as a witness only, no detention as wrongly claimed, for Lorenzo and the rest is pure speculation and rumor.  Yet we have a whole thread dedicated just to trashing him.  Why? 

With Koen and Freddie, we have oodles of photos of them out pimping in the bars with Joran.  Where are the ones of Lorenzo doing that? Joran discusses them extensively in his book especially Freddie yet does not so much as mention Lorenzo yet we have Lorenzo trashed from here to hell and back based on nothing.

Freddie and Koen gave multiple statements and yet we don't go after them the same way we do Lorenzo.  Nor anybody else for that matter.  I am trying to maintain a bit of faith in Hans Mos and he says no one is involved other than the primary suspects.  Jossy confirmed that he could make no connection to Lorenzo in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (not the drug arrest as was claimed Jossy meant) or that he is actually related in any way to Joran.  I believe if it were true, he could.

I have never claimed I was there and know what happened.  I wasn't and I don't but I think it is just as wrong to go after Lorenzo based on zilch as it is for the Rejects to go after the MB kids.  At least we know they were there for a fact.  We have no proof he even knew Joran.

I don't know.  Maybe Lorenzo did kill Natalee at a Rave Party in the tunnels under his house that go all the way well over five miles to the sea beside the armed guard posts after killing his father and making snuff and underage porn with Paul Brough and before selling Natalee into slavery with Colombian drug cartels and Arabs with yachts and using his alleged cigarette boat to dispose of her body and is the illegitimate son of Paulus van der Sloot.  He might also be from Mars.

Guess I just don't have enough imagination.  But before I accuse somebody of things like that, I just like to have an inkling, one shred of actual proof that he even knew these people.

I have yet to see it. 


But I am very weary of being attacked for not being in agreement with the majority here and also having it claimed that every single time someone mentions Lorenzo, I defend him.  That is a LIE.  Go back through the thread and see how many days he was discussed and I said absolutely nothing.  I don't until it starts getting too deep, the BS, that is.

Why am I attacked every time I say I don't find any proof of his involvement?  Instead of attacking me personally, show me the PROOF and I will gladly reconsider his involvement.



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[wreck]

Okay -- I have  just caught up.
It seems to me that we are all just a little linged un-hinged tonight. Maybe, just maybe the Persistence crew is about to give us a miracle.

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killer on a bike

[Shell]

Anna, I am glad you spoke up and I respect that you did so. Lorenzo is mentioned so often, any information is appreciated. I never understood the Lorenzo interest. Things should be more clear cut, but nothing in this case is clear, except for the fact that Natalee left in the company of the 3 punks and has not been seen since.

[robots]

killer on the loose

[Tamikosmom]

Tamikosmom's speculations ... speculations that include all formal suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case as well as Freddy and Lorenzo ... speculations that are liable to change at a moment's notice. 

Other than Dave Holloway's implication in regards to Joran being picked up by the school bus on the highway near Lorenzo's home ... my backup for Lorenzo's role in the Natalee Holloway case is very limited .. it is all based on "rumors" posted on the internet in the days following Natalee's disappearance.

There was a "rumored" 6:30 AM call from the VDS' cell to Steve Croes on the morning Natalee went missing. Apparently the origins of this call was traced to the Santa Lucia area which is the area where Lorenzo lives and ..... then there was a "rumored" search of Lorenzo's home and car and ...... during that search some of Natalee's clothing were found in Lorenzo's basement. It is "rumored" that Lorenzo is Joran's half brother and …..in the intitial stages of the investigation Lorenzo was questioned and released ….. a connection is implied.  Also ... Dave Holloway claims that Joran was driven to a location on the highway near Lorenzo's home to be picked up by the school bus on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Janet

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OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."


1.  Freddy is waiting at the VDS' residence ... with his camera ... when Satish, Deepak and Joran arrive with a drugged Natalee after leaving Carlos 'N Charles'.


2.  Guido arrives in his own vehicle at the same time.


3.  In an attempt to escape a gang rape Natalee sustains a head injury.


4.  As the sexual assault ensues Natalee appears to pass out.


5.  The decision is made to take Natalee to the beach where she can sleep it off and ... make her own way to the HI in time to catch her flight back home.


6.  Guido leaves the scene.


7.  Joran, Deepak and Freddy ... enroute to the beach ... drop Satish off at home.


8.  Deepak drops off Joran, Freddy and a "passed out" Natalee at the beach.


9.  Deepak parks his vehicle a short distance away at the tennis club and returns to the beach on foot.


9.  In the meantime ... Freddy and Joran realize that Natalee is deceased.
 

10.  Leaving a deceased Natalee on the beach ... Joran, Deepak and Freddy run across the street to Deepak parked vehicle.  In the heat of the moment Joran ends up in the driver's seat.


11.  A panicked discussion ensues.  When it is considered that Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's  ... the injury and the DNA evidence on Natalee's person could be very incriminating.


12.  Paulus is contacted.
 

13.  The gardener enters the picture.  He observes Joran, Deepak and Freddy in the parked vehicle.


14.  Paulus arrives and ... accesses the situation.


15.  Assistance in moving a deceased Natalee is required.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt and Steve Croes are contacted.


16.  Deepak and Freddy leave the scene.


17.  A short time later Joran is sent home walking ... enroute he contacts Deepak on his cell.


18.  Paulus with draws from ATM.  Steve Croes and Geoffrey van Cromoirt require to paid for services rendered.


19.  Natalee is placed in a white pickup which GVC has access to through his employment with the Beach Patrol.


20.  Natalee is taken to Lorenzo's home and temporarily placed in the basement.


21.  On June 1, 2005 ... Natalee's remains are observed by Junior being taken from a white pickup and placed in the landfill ... covered by a child's plastic pool and ... then covered with garbarge.


22.   Junior conveys his observation to his brother who ... relays the account to the Aruban authorities.


23.  A short time laer ... the Aruban authorities remove Natalee's remains from the landfill and ... she is buried or ... taken out to sea or ... both.


24.  On July 27, 2005 ... Junior approaches Natalee's family and conveys the "exact" same account of his observation at the landfill ... the "exact" same account which his brother related to Aruban authorities two months earlier.


25.  A search of the dump is organized by TES and Dave Holloway.


26.  A child's plastic pool is located in the location in the landfill that Junior had specified where Natalee had been place.   

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Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
February 23, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11541055/

HOLLOWAY:  Yes, it is hard to hear, and you know, it just tells me how these guys were.  You know, he probably—they probably did go to his apartment.  That's what I believe because his apartment is separated from the house.  You're not going to take a girl to the beach.  And I think something—if you'll recall, in some of the earlier statements that mentioned something bad happened.  And I think something bad happened with all three of them involved.  That's why we haven't had a break in the case.  They're all sticking together.  And they probably got her as close to the Holiday Inn as they could without anyone seeing them.  And the closest place was the beach north of the Marriott.  And then they went directly across the street, as confirmed by the gardener, and that's where they started making up their story, I believe.  And then after that, you know, we're not sure what happened.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11541055/

[robots]

i just threw up in a my mouth a little bit 

[Anna]

Robots,

They have been picking on me about Lorenzo like they did us on the shoes.  Next they will be trying to make me eat a bug!

So I guess that is two subjects now that I am not allowed to post about.

Oh, make that three.  Not allowed to say Joran was at school on Monday, either!  Susie Gitman just confirmed it but nevermind.

The list of things I am not allowed to post about is growing and soon there won't be anything left, I guess.

I think that's the idea, however.  Agree or shut up.

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[Magnolia]

killer on the loose

There is Poppin' Fresh....haven't seem him in so long.

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garbage carrying garbage

[San]

i just threw up in a my mouth a little bit 

 

[klaasend]

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it is funny aint it 

You really should do something with the other pages to that website. 

YES i will

you think its ok to link to this site?

this site has a lot more info... YES _____   NO _______


 

Yeah I guess it's OK..when in doubt ask Red 

[Helen Back]

i just threw up in a my mouth a little bit 

 

[robots]

Robots,

They have been picking on me about Lorenzo like they did us on the shoes.  Next they will be trying to make me eat a bug!

So I guess that is two subjects now that I am not allowed to post about.

Oh, make that three.  Not allowed to say Joran was at school on Monday, either!  Susie Gitman just confirmed it but nevermind.

The list of things I am not allowed to post about is growing and soon there won't be anything left, I guess.

I think that's the idea, however.  Agree or shut up.

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Anna
i think they love you and i think they like you and i think you feel the same way towards them
 and i think everyone is frustrated
i know i am and yet all of us here are on the same team and even great teams
get into little fights.... i will eat all the bugs for you and i will eat them all for everyone else
cause girls shouldnt eat bugs...

you are good , very good and everyone else here is very good

you know when i talk to you...when im typing i always call you Annabelle
i dont know why but i just do

send me over some grasshoppers before kermit gets here...he likes em too 

[Dayhiker]

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[Shell]

i just threw up in a my mouth a little bit 

LOLLLL

[Anna]

i just threw up in a my mouth a little bit 

I did, too, but for a very different reason, I am sure.

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[robots]

a real athlete
a real delicious sporter

he can drink 5 yards in under 2 minutes

he can rape 5 girls in 4 days

he can steal hundreds of dollars from his parents ina few short hours

he can kill 3 dogs in under 30 minutes

SUPER KILLER

 

[Dayhiker]

garbage carrying garbage

That's the latest Aruban Tourister designer luggage. They also have it in a 13 gallon overnighter and a 4 gallon Dopp kit.