Natalee Case Discussion #787 12/24/08 - 12/31/08

[klaasend]

On Dana Pretzer

RED - people don't really realize the star power that Dana has had on his show in 2008.  Dana lets them talk and doesn't cut them off. 


Dugga and Red will work on improving things for 2009

[Magnolia]

The Freebirds or Kermit sent the last set of photos we saw to
Beth in March.
That is when PI saw them and he posted here about the denim
fabric and Kyle got into a tizzy about how he had seen them.
Kyle had not given the images to the family.  He asked PI
to contact him privately.  We need Janet to post some of
her old stuff.

[klaasend]

GREAT SHOW DANA, RED AND ROBIN SAX!

[MuffyBee]

Great show Dana!   

[truthseeker2]

Great show reviewing 2008 on Dana tonight.   

[Keepthefaith]

The Freebirds or Kermit sent the last set of photos we saw to
Beth in March.
That is when PI saw them and he posted here about the denim
fabric and Kyle got into a tizzy about how he had seen them.
Kyle had not given the images to the family.  He asked PI
to contact him privately.  We need Janet to post some of
her old stuff.

I trust in what Kermit is saying but am trying to understand why ldstlou is so staunchly defending Kyle when for all intense purposes he has mislead so many?

[klaasend]

The Freebirds or Kermit sent the last set of photos we saw to
Beth in March.
That is when PI saw them and he posted here about the denim
fabric and Kyle got into a tizzy about how he had seen them.
Kyle had not given the images to the family.  He asked PI
to contact him privately.  We need Janet to post some of
her old stuff.

See and that's why I wonder about what the family knew and when.  If you were to ask Beth and Jug if they saw the photos they would probably say yes but the real question is WHEN and who sent them the photos?

[Kermit]

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Kyle said: “The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information.”
Kyle said: "- ”IF a key detective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.”

February 2008 – Kyle tried to “strike a deal” with networks for the ROV footage.
March 1, 2008 – The Persistence announced it's return to Louisiana due to lack of money.
March 3, 2008 -  John Silvetti and Caps had a meeting in Aruba.
EMAIL From: Caps Lock
To: XXXXX; Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 8:05:29 PM
Subject: FW: The meeting will be schedule at 2:00 pm - my house

March 08, 2008, 11:10:26 PM
Caps posted at SM: “I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there”



September 2008 – Freebirds contacted the FBI with the evidence.

10 MONTHS AFTER RETURNING TO THE UNITED STATES
Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:38 PM
Kyle emailed me: “I have recently been in contact with the FBI (within the last two weeks).”

Unless Kyle is a sociopath, which I do not believe, then he did not contact the FBI with the evidence of photos he has in his possession and was aware of during the RV Persistence dives. He did not intend to hand over that evidence until he was forced to do so AFTER The Freebirds contacted the FBI. He specifically stated he did not give any statements to the FBI after his leaving the RV Persistence. He did, however state he had tried to “strike a deal” with the networks executives to sell the ROV footage.

#364 on: Today at 10:54:08 AM   ldstlou
just called again. Absolutely not true. Beth doesn't know about the theory of the photos or evidence that was collected and not turned over and Jug does not understand why Kermit is even stating this theory or information. Beth did not give Kermit to post photos on her behalf either.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.360

THE TRUTH IS
Not only do I have the emails from Beth, but also from another family member that confirms Beth's permission for me to expose the Aruba Cover-up.And who called her to try and stop it [/color]

 
Because everything Caps was doing was distracting, and leading away from the cage and always involved the pond which is a  distraction from the cage, I find it interesting to go back over the accumulation of events as they transpired for a refresher.

Keeping in mind that there are several  people at SM who want to believe the pond witness and what CAPS and Kyle have been telling them through John Silvetti.

Keep in mind, Kyle revealed to us that it was John Silvetti  who turned his attention away from the cage and refused to listen to anything Kyle had to say about the cage/trap. Although, it was John Silvetti who allowed the Aruban only divers to collect the evidence which was against what the plan had been.

The initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap
 
#740 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:38 PM
After the visual inspection on 30-Dec, the initial plan discussed by the project leads and Aruban police was for us (the team on board the Persistence) to be directly involved in the recovery of the trap.  There were talks about getting the proper equipment on board the Persistence such as a suction-recovery system to sift small items from the sand.  The talks continued after Jan-7th when the samples were collected
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366321#msg366321
 
Tim stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan
 
#705 on: November 20, 2008, 07:22:14 PM
Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551291#msg551291
 

The talks about recovering the trap ceased around the 10-14th of Jan
 
#662 on: November 20, 2008, 05:21:05 PM
I got off the boat for 4 nights from the 10-14th of Jan for some much needed R&R.  I was in close communication with the boat and continued to post updates.  I didn't need to broadcast my presence on the island at the time.  I observed the vessel at or very near the location on the 11th and 12th for 42 and 45 minutes respectively.  I questioned the possibility of unknown diving ops taking place.  The talks about recovering the trap ceased around that time as well


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551145#msg551145
 
Now let's follow along with the CAPS information that a group at SM has contact with him and believes in his version of the events and his witness[color]

CAPS  CLAIMS THIS POND CONTAINS A TENNIS SHOE AND HUMAN REMAINS SPECIAL NOTE - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY, CAPS WITNESS HAS MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI OF THE PERSISTENCE BY NOW .
 February 27, 2008
This time they have some special areas that they are checking. It started this morning and continue in the morning.

February 28, 2008:
Yes,
At 9:00 will go over there to amke sure they do not mis a spot....[color-red]The sneaker is there....where is the sneaker is the remains.



Remember Hotshot (Kathy Drenga) just recently told the monkeys that it was HER who directed Caps (and the witness) to Silvetti.
 
Could this REALLY be the first sign to prove the suspicions that Silvetti gave something from that trap to be put in the pond?  Shoe?  Skull? - speculation.


 Hotshot
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #285 on: Today at 12:48:24 AM »

You all seem to jump to conclusions that everything was handed over to the incompetent ALE....... Did you ever stop to think that maybe there was a reason they took off so fast? Do you really think they are that stupid to not cover their butts? Hellooooo, Tim has been through it already, many times. Loose lips do sink ships. Maybe we are not supposed to be discussing those things here for everyone like Aruba to read.[/color]

CAPS STARTS OUT SAYING IT WAS MONTANA POND

January 22, 2008:

Well it says clearley the montana pond.

After this Joran at this time desided to despose of the body in Montana body of water.



January 27, 2008:

but the real body was dumped in a body of water in noord that has not been search

The MUI was a diversion for something else.



The day the search was in noord and the body of water that was search by the police was not to retrieve a body, bud to retrieve something else

The drop has happend but is not the body natalee drop.



February 1, 2008:

In my report I choose the White one but my road is not paved

The Montana Park Apartment is where all started..The Sex etc....

so look for the owners



CAPS BEGINS PLANTING THE SEED OF NEEDING A WITNESS

JaLALA:

The Must Be 2 witness for a conviction... but then they will play the "Not reliable Witness" for one of the witness.

The father can not testified against the son. The mother will Lie. July the reporter got his papers, etc

If no Second Withness, and Not A body, He will Walk

BETWEEN FEB 1 AND FEB 5, CAPS TALKS ABOUT NEEDING A WITNESS. ALSO ABOUT HOW THEY NEVER PUT HER IN THE OCEAN. ALSO ASKING KLAAS RELENTLESSLY IF SHE'S HEARD BACK FROM DAVE YET - ABOUT HIS EMAIL TO DAVE IN DECEMBER



NOW INTRODUCES THE WHITEHOUSE - WHICH IS NEAR MOKO POND

February 5, 2008



They mus have gone to this planned rave party at the Whitehouse. where she was raped and died.

THEN A WITNESS APPEARS TO CAPS. THE ANSWER TO HIS CONSTANT REMINDER TO MONKEYS THAT WE NEED ONE. NOTE THE WITNESS FIRST CLAIMS A TIME OF 3:44 AM

February 8, 2008
I know,

a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All in muddy from the wate down....

Have new google earth.



CAPS FINALLY HEARS BACK FROM DAVE - AND AT THIS POINT, HE IS STILL DISCUSSING BOTH MOKO AND MONTANA - NO MENTION AT THIS POINT OF MONSERAT POND



February 16, 2008



Klaasend:

Did got Email from the man, He know nows and Understand.



ON THIS SAME DATE - CAPS NOW CLAIMS THIS WITNESS WAS MOVING AROUND, ENOUGH TO KNOW SECURITY WAS PATROLLING AND CAMERAS ROLLING



The witness state that the Bird was constantly moving in circle around the area that night..

and the bird normaly will wake you up and one will tent to go look up in the sky of what is going on. and wonder.

some take pictures. If picture was taken, the Man in the bird with his power beam will see you taken pictures. and can zoom in to see who you are.

CAPS TELLS US HIS UNCLE IS AN ATTORNEY

Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.

The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.


I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.

On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.

It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also be a sub prosecuter.



NOW THE TIME THE WITNESS CLAIMS HAS CHANGED. WHY WAS THIS DONE? DID THEY REALIZE THE FIRST TIME STATED DIDN'T WORK WITH THE KNOWN TIMELINE?

February 23, 2008



CAPS say: 4:05 AM Joran passing in front of a witness house dirty and missing the Right shoe



NOW ENTER THE PERSISTENCE SEARCH OF THE POND. BUT WAIT, IT'S NEITHER OF THE PONDS CAPS HAS PREVIOUSLY CLAIMED - THEY SEARCH THE MONSERRAT POND

CAPS ALSO CLAIMS THIS POND CONTAINS A TENNIS SHOE AND HUMAN REMAINS

SPECIAL NOTE - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY, CAPS WITNESS HAS MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI OF THE PERSISTENCE BY NOW


February 27, 2008



This time they have some special areas that they are checking. It started this morning and continue in the morning.

February 28, 2008:



Yes,

At 9:00 will go over there to amke sure they do not mis a spot....The sneaker is there....where is the sneaker is the remains.



http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=858&Itemid=1

Grupo di barco Mericano “Persistance” ta busca den dam na Montserat
Thursday, 28 February 2008

ORANJESTAD - Grupo di e barco Mericano “Persistance” ayera a dicidi di drenta dam na Montserat pa asina wak si nan por haya algo. Nan a pone un sonar ultra sofistica cu a base di un software ta lagabo wak tur cos cu tin tanto den e awa cu den e lodo den un forma tridimencional. Aunke cu e dam ta sumamente seco toch a logra haci un trabou amplio pa asina wak si por encontra algo di Nathalie Holloway. Despues di analisa tur e graphiconan cu nan a logra compila den e dam lo bai wak si ta yega na algo of no.





Quote from: oceanexploration on February 28, 2008, 03:34:45 PM


This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb). They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range. In this case we used between 50-100ft range. By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.



DESTINY ASKING THE MONKEYS IF SHE SHOULD SEND FISH TRAP PHOTOS POSTED BY ROBIN H TO ARUBAN COPS - CAPS TELLING HER NO WAY, SEVERAL TIMES - EVEN WARNS DESTINY TO BE FEARFUL FOR HERSELF IF SHE DOES



February 28, 2008:

You are right LALA, they have a room full of intell person sitting and listeting and watching..I know this for a fact.

I say do not make a move.

Want to play it safe...tell them that your computer got a Virus...had to be reformatted. everything is lost.

We live in a digital world where loosing a bit is not much but for safegaurd one self..

The new MOSvirus.irc just eat your hard disk and you are foregiven.

Lay low for a couple of days and back on track

CAPS



Do not sent anything...

I know that for a fact that if they know who you are they will fabricate any thing to put you away....I know that for a fact...so be carfull....

BTW, they have all information them self....They are the one that is playing in the band.

now they have lost a band string and they want to compare....

Shango would say DO NOT TSURT....bad move....you will not win if you show your playing cards.



CAPS REVEALS HE HAS A BROTHER WORKING WITH EITHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OR THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE



Klaasend:

watch the news of tomorrow on what the comments are today from Hans MOS...He is pisst on the search in Monserat. My bother was telling me that MOS want to know all the detail and how they came about to that area.

...Hmmmmm..

I was not there to listen to the news today...but MOS is upset....



CAPS VISITS THE POND HIMSELF

February 28, 2008:





Well I did not know till I check where the pipes are leading to.

I will have picture of the pipes tomorrow.

to get in the pipes, one must put on a coverall becuase you will get dirty and it is very dark and a long walk. to the other end.

I need big light to check these pipes.

when the pond fills up, all the debry stay in the pond only the water will move to the other end in another waterbasin. I never know about this but my dad has clearyfy it. The rain water will move to another water basin. anything large and havy will stay in the pipe since the water flow is not strong. The flow only start when the pond fills-up.

Will check it but it has a horrable stenge.

I will take some picture to compare.

THE DAY CAPS VISITS THE POND, CAPS NOW STATES THERE COULD BE HUMAN REMAINS IN MONSERAT POND, AND ALSO HUMAN REMAINS IN MOKO POND - WHICH TIES IN WITH HIS EARLIER ASSERTIONS OF THE WHITEHOUSE APARTMENTS.

KEEP REMEMBERING THAT THIS WITNESS OF CAPS HAS BY NOW MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI

February 29, 2008

The problem with Moko pool is that if they dump the body in there, this acctiion leave Joran walking home. and not to the McDonnald.

Now lets assume that what is said that the head was not part of the body no more, and that both places has been used.

The Moko Pool which is right at the doorstep of the Whitehouse Apartment and there they could have dumb a peace of the body then drive Joran to the Monserat Pool and split leaving Joran alone.

Driving to the Monserat they will dump an other peace of the body.
Split and leave Joran behind.
The Monserat pool will leave him walking to McDonald.

This will give both Simian and Shango Validity for their writtings.

BRB..
CAPS
 
 CAPS ACCUSING KERMIT OF LYING
Posted this at SM:
 
Kermit: why are you stir the monkey cage by lying....I never siad the Moko nor Montanja but the Monserat pond.


CAPS ADMITS TO DIVING AT THE CAGE/TRAP

”I went to dive a week a go to the same location, and the Cage is still there. If the cage was evidance in a murder case, why is it still in the water.”

MARCH 1 CAPS SAYS CAGE IS A POST OFFICE
(remember March 1 is when it was announced that the RV Persistence was returning home AND March 3 is when John Silvetti met with CAPS).
  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2662.msg358441#msg358441


MARCH 3, 2008 – John Silvetti meets with CapsLockWizard

From an email sent from CapsLockWizard:
“Yes, We did have the meeting today. It was a long meeting and we are all set to start the process of a permit to drain. Witness will gave statement to Lawyer (Helen), Lawyer will motion to drain the pond to OM. If Motion denied, will go to media and expose more dirt. John knows everything now and he will stay behind to help and protect. John state the cage was empty. it was full of these broken plastic bags that shows on the cam like skull, but he said to me it is the water doing tricks when picture was taken. He thinks also it is a postoffice. When I told him the story about the cage, he also understand now some things that he could not have question about. Like why is the Panter allways parked over the spot while there is notting anymore in he cage. The meeting end at 5:00 pm and was very good. About the Pipes. They will be checked. Also John thinks that the signs are there but need to drain the pond. Also Withness is 99% it was some one that came from the pond area that he saw, because it looks like a dutch man and was cover in mud from the chest down.”


 WHO CONTACTED CAPS?
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
« Reply #407 on: January 27, 2008, 12:17:04 PM
Caps are you from aruba?  A friend of mine that I talk to there, also talks like you do is only why I ask......  TIA
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333009#msg333009


AND SHE CONTACTED KYLE:
Hi there, and good to see you here at the SM site.  It was me who sent that cryptic message to your blog, [color]sorry about all that.  Its just one of the things that we dealt with here early on in the case.  It looked to be someone in the know.  You can take it down if you wish, I just thought it might be of some help.  But once again, I praise the work you guys are doing, and wish I could be there myself to help with the search.  My prayers are with all of you for a great outcome.  Hey, remember, there really are pirates out there!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2429.msg315194#msg315194

how would she possibly know this unless she has been in contact with Kyle
 
March 07, 2008, 12:54:54 PM
There are no doors on the back of the huts.  I can vouch for that.  All doors on the front.   http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/hutcollage.jpg   Kyle has taken some of the same pictures I took while over there.[color]  The new wood door, is the hut that was broken into.
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John did go back to work with CAPS 2 times that I know of, to Aruba, about the Monstart pond.  He was with CAPS the whole time
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555976#msg555976

853 on: December 08, 2008, 03:05:43 PM   hotshot
I have spoken to Mr Silvetti twice.  And that was only to see if he wanted help with the pond and the search.  I would have gone to help.  do i know him personally, no.  The only information i know is from kyle or dave, and no i was not in the private forum.  You guys brought over a quote stating that kyle says john said.... tim was not needed anymore, he is a liability.  Correct?
Just answering
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4216.msg571886#msg571886


AND SHE CONTACTED JOHN SILVITTI
HotShot: SM  Reply #687 on: December 04, 2008, 06:42:20 PM »
 “[color=red}I personally have met with Tim, and Schafer way back in Jan of 2006 back when they were trying to get things going with the Persistence, and getting the OK to go to Aruban waters.  It was several of us that met with them.













WHO IS DEFENDING KYLE AND CAPS?/b]

Now, if we remember Kathy Drenga (Hotshot)  - she is the one that went to Aruba with BestBuddy & uploaded the Aru-bay videos to her website and the photos of the Lions Den. THEN she is the one that felt Natalee was buried in the cometary. THEN she thought she was in the BAG that Blonde found and that photo was seen in National Enquirer. THEN Kathy Drenga (Hotshot) started talking with Kyle and also CAPS.

as I'm reading back through ALL her posts, I'm see a picture. She is FEEDING CAPS information.That is why we see CAPS post she is in the MOKO (Kathy posted about the MOKO too), then he changes it to Montajan then the cemetery etc etc.

She sets it up for CAPS to go meet John Silvetti after contacting Kyle and from there CAPS story changes like the wind just like hers.

#902 on: July 11, 2006, 05:39:05 PM Hotshot:
I just feel those ponds that "WONT" be searched is a place that needs to be.  They know they cant drain them, too much water, and they know they cant dive them, too murky.  They are not dumb, but like to play dumb.  Don't forget they got a hit with the dogs at one, but couldn't do anything about it
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=63.msg13147#msg13147

REMEMBER THIS:
CAPS  CLAIMS THIS POND CONTAINS A TENNIS SHOE AND HUMAN REMAINS SPECIAL NOTE - ACCORDING TO DAVE HOLLOWAY, CAPS WITNESS HAS MET WITH JOHN SILVETTI OF THE PERSISTENCE BY NOW

Hotshot:
Don't know, but that mud would eat his shoes for sure.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=164.msg31737#msg31737


Hotshot: “You guys are going to look really silly in the end for downing the people like silvetti, and Kyle, and CAPS.”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565899#msg565899


Idstlou

213 on: September 22, 2008, 10:04:02 AM   ldstlou
Lalas!!! Our friend just called you back and you didn't answer!!! lol
Can you call him back now. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.200
 
lalasmom
 #231 on: September 22, 2008, 11:25:48 AM   lalasmom
Sorry!!  So sorry!! LOL  Will do...give me a minute...I was talking to my kid.  Sorry!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.220
 
 
#410 on: September 23, 2008, 08:56:12 AM   ldstlou
Lalas!! your phone is ringing!!   

trying to caaaaall you!!! lol 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg467158#msg467158
 
413 on: September 23, 2008, 09:03:27 AM  lalassmom
No it's not!  LOL  Try again.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg467158#msg467158
 
 
#344 on: September 22, 2008, 09:20:45 PM   lalasmom
So Tim Miller and John Silvetti are the ones that made arrangements for Caps witness to come to the USA and take the polygraph.  Mos was a bit upset.  Why am I not surprised?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.340

lalas here/attachment/don't delete
Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:16 AM
Capslockwizard info.
[Note: This was the email to Dave Holloway]


Yapperz
 #476 on: Today at 10:18:37 PM  yapperz
Tamikosmom posted:
<snip>
Yap ... do you have information to the contrary.

Janet

______


Janet, actually I do. I would rather not go in to it here. You are welcome to get my email address from Klaas.
 

[BUCKSHOT]

Ldstlou seems to be defending/protecting an agenda to me. However, does not seem to be alone. It is very obvious to me. Whose agenda are they defending/protecting, if any, and why?  I can not understand. Help me.

Kyle (OE) has posted here freely in the past. He has gone to great lengths to explain as well as volunteer information. He is more than capable to refute anything that he feels is being incorrectly portrayed about him or his involvement. Why would he not do the same now? Kinda makes you wonder...

Kermit has posted here and backed up her posts with facts. Furthermore, she has answered any relevant questions, concerning her posts. I anxiously await each installment given to us by her. For those who disagree with her and the information she provides, give us facts (not fiction or speculation) that disprove her. Quite simple...

The truth seems easy to defend. Bullshit seems harder to defend. Just my humble opinion..

Please do not attack me. Like everyone, I am entitled to my opinion. My skin is thick so save your breath...

[Keepthefaith]

The Freebirds or Kermit sent the last set of photos we saw to
Beth in March.
That is when PI saw them and he posted here about the denim
fabric and Kyle got into a tizzy about how he had seen them.
Kyle had not given the images to the family.  He asked PI
to contact him privately.  We need Janet to post some of
her old stuff.

See and that's why I wonder about what the family knew and when.  If you were to ask Beth and Jug if they saw the photos they would probably say yes but the real question is WHEN and who sent them the photos?

When was Kyle banned from Freebirds Wingnut?If you can answer!TIA

[Kermit]

The Freebirds or Kermit sent the last set of photos we saw to
Beth in March.
That is when PI saw them and he posted here about the denim
fabric and Kyle got into a tizzy about how he had seen them.
Kyle had not given the images to the family.  He asked PI
to contact him privately.  We need Janet to post some of
her old stuff.

See and that's why I wonder about what the family knew and when.  If you were to ask Beth and Jug if they saw the photos they would probably say yes but the real question is WHEN and who sent them the photos?

I tried to contact Beth about the photos. She was out of town and I asked her sister-in-law to contact her. I know John emailed her too. No one could get ahold of her at that time. Weeks later I was able to send her the photos with the statements and evidence.  I got permission from here to  exposed the Aruba cover-up.
Had nothing to do with Kyle as some infer. I only want Aruba to give Natalee back to her family NOW!
I could care less what Kyle or John Silvetti do to live with themselves. Or anyone that protects criminal evidence.

[Red]

GREAT SHOW DANA, RED AND ROBIN SAX!

So many things are going thru your head when doing an interview like that and so little time to expand on your thoughts.

However, I would be remiss if I did not give a huge shout out and thank you to Klaas.  Thank you for all you do. 

A special thanks to all the SM mods of 2008 ... you rock.

[BUCKSHOT]

When was the last time Kyle was on the Freebird's site??Wingnut?If you can answer..I don't think he's typing anything anymore for a good reason!

It has been awhile since he was banned.  I'm sorry, don't remember exactly when.

So he was Banned!Thanx.Did he mislead those at the Freebird's as well as us here at the Monkey Cage?

We received legal advice to break contact with him.  And yes - he did mislead us. 

Thank you!It's good to know that.I'm sure when Kermit comes back it will become even clearer as to why ldstlou is so staunchly defending Kyle?Am i correct in saying that Kyle(OE) did not turn pertinent information over to the Holloway family,and or the FBI in a timely manner as Kermit has said?If True,which i believe it to be.Why defend that?Guess i'll here what Kermit has to say....

I would think it very easy for lsdstlou to verify with Jug whether Kyle contacted them or not.  I am guessing that lsdstlou has an inside track to Jug?  

Wingnut, Jen - Welcome aboard.

Me personally...I question this connection...

Think about it...If lsdstlou presents information to the Holloway family, information that seriously raises eyebrows to anyone...Why so cavalier in reporting back that the family dismisses it as bullshit. All that this family has endured and they simply dismiss this as bullshit without asking questions, without proving or disproving...I simply find it hard to believe.

Either:
(1) The "jug" referred to as getting the information is a jug of rotten apple cider
(2) The trap situation is part of a major "behind the scenes" endeavor on the part of the family and must be kept quiet/denied knowledge about until the right time, and only the right time.

[San]

GREAT SHOW DANA, RED AND ROBIN SAX!

So many things are going thru your head when doing an interview like that and so little time to expand on your thoughts.

However, I would be remiss if I did not give a huge shout out and thank you to Klaas.  Thank you for all you do. 

A special thanks to all the SM mods of 2008 ... you rock.

Klaas is the best.  And no I'm not getting a puppy 

[San]

Ldstlou seems to be defending/protecting an agenda to me. However, does not seem to be alone. It is very obvious to me. Whose agenda are they defending/protecting, if any, and why?  I can not understand. Help me.

Kyle (OE) has posted here freely in the past. He has gone to great lengths to explain as well as volunteer information. He is more than capable to refute anything that he feels is being incorrectly portrayed about him or his involvement. Why would he not do the same now? Kinda makes you wonder...

Kermit has posted here and backed up her posts with facts. Furthermore, she has answered any relevant questions, concerning her posts. I anxiously await each installment given to us by her. For those who disagree with her and the information she provides, give us facts (not fiction or speculation) that disprove her. Quite simple...

The truth seems easy to defend. Bullshit seems harder to defend. Just my humble opinion..

Please do not attack me. Like everyone, I am entitled to my opinion. My skin is thick so save your breath...

No attacks from me because I agree.

[MuffyBee]

GREAT SHOW DANA, RED AND ROBIN SAX!

So many things are going thru your head when doing an interview like that and so little time to expand on your thoughts.

However, I would be remiss if I did not give a huge shout out and thank you to Klaas.  Thank you for all you do. 

A special thanks to all the SM mods of 2008 ... you rock.

Klaas is the best.  And no I'm not getting a puppy 

I agree.  Klaas is the very best  

[MumInOhio]

Kermit..

A lot of what you have posted is a bunch of cut and posted posts from Shango...It is totally incorrect and out of context.

And those that aren't familiar with Shango may buy it...

Shame on you!!!!!!!!!

Thank You for replying to my question from your last visit I see you were not in direct email contact with Caps...

God himself only knows what the heck you are trying to imply with Lalas and Lisa as I didn't bother to read it.

[2NJSons_Mom]

GREAT SHOW DANA, RED AND ROBIN SAX!

So many things are going thru your head when doing an interview like that and so little time to expand on your thoughts.

However, I would be remiss if I did not give a huge shout out and thank you to Klaas.  Thank you for all you do. 

A special thanks to all the SM mods of 2008 ... you rock.

Klaas is the best.  And no I'm not getting a puppy 

Yes, KLAAS is the BEST

[Keepthefaith]

Kermit..

A lot of what you have posted is a bunch of cut and posted posts from Shango...It is totally incorrect and out of context.

And those that aren't familiar with Shango may buy it...

Shame on you!!!!!!!!!

Thank You for replying to my question from your last visit I see you were not in direct email contact with Caps...

God himself only knows what the heck you are trying to imply with Lalas and Lisa as I didn't bother to read it.

So you don't believe Kermit Mum?

[BUCKSHOT]

After reading Kermit's most recent post, I have a few questions..
(1) Is latest pond witness (the one who claimed to have seen Joran walking with one shoe, out of breath, and muddy while a red jeep picked him up) fabricated (by Caps) and not to be believed?
(2) If so, why would this person then take lie detector tests and supposedly pass them?