Natalee Case Discussion #705 12/18 - 12/20/07

[terryd270]

It sounds like there might be a power struggle going over on that out house island.. I assume everyone knows what happen but one side thats in power don't want to exposed the crime and hope it goes away and those that want it exposed for whatever reason.. I believe they all have hidden agenda's over there but do hope that Beth and Dave get some answers.  Its always been about the time shares and money on that island and those that control those don't want it exposed but hopefully with the drop of their income and the timeshares that they can't give away they had enough and will allowed the evidence to come out because of the above.. Even if they do charged these guys or whatever I will never want anyone I know to go to that outhouse that poses as an island.. They knew what happen the first day it happen and I do believe it has happen many times before, only this time it didn't go as plan with the reaction from us.. 

td

[SunnyinTX]

These people are freaks...that is soooo NOT NATALEE. Are they blind as well as dumb???????

I agree...not a short in hell...they are drinking that kool-aid again!!

[SunnyinTX]

The Van Der Sloot's are contemplating a civil suit..I guess when you are backed by your own Govt you can say or do just about anything. The FBI and American Govt need to speak up..This just can't get anymore distrubing.

Let them file...then they have to come to the USA.....  I'd love to see some good ole' boys do some whoop ass on them.....Alabama Style!!!

[Observer]

Well at least they found a blonde under 40 this time not wacked out on coke. Probably 20 lbs heavier than NH and definetly not her.

[Nut44x4]

Klaas can you grab the gas station video at RU....fast...before it goes poof! Seems it was just uploaded to you tube yesterday...I am watching it now.

Already did and I'm uploading to photobucket right now 

Thanks...I do not know how to post vids.
This retraction of the closed case comes shortly after John Gibson's show on Fox...he was bashing Aruba...wish we could find that transcript or video so you all could see it.

[klaasend]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:22 pm 
 
Case is seponed (acc. to Dutch media)

Because of the unclear reports; case closed/not closed, hereby what the Dutch media have reported and an explanation.

The Natalee Holloway case is seponed acc. to the Dutch media.

Nos - 6 uur geleden
De Arubaanse justitie seponeert de zaak tegen de drie verdachten van de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway wegens gebrek aan bewijs.

Elsevier - 6 uur geleden
Het Openbaar Ministerie op Aruba heeft de zaak tegen de verdachten in de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway geseponeerd

NOS Headlines - 6 uur geleden
De zaak tegen de verdachten van de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway komt niet meer voor de rechter. Justitie heeft de zaak geseponeerd

DePers.nl - 6 uur geleden
De Arubaanse justitie seponeert de zaak tegen de drie verdachten van de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse Natalee Holloway wegens gebrek aan bewijs.

Hans Mos last week: Na nieuw onderzoek zette het Openbaar Ministerie de drie onlangs toch weer vast ... We gaan ons nu beraden of we de zaak doorzetten of seponeren", zegt Mos.

To sepone a case (een zaak seponeren) means: to shelve an affair, to file and dispose of a case definitely, although unsolved.

When a case is seponed normally the suspects cannot be prosecuted for the crime they were suspected of anymore, but since acc to the same media who report the case being seponed, the OM insists that if any new evidence will surface the three suspects still can be prosecuted so it seems there are conditions in the sepot or the sepot being informal (see later on).

The family of Natalee can petition to the HOF against the sepot, and if the HOF will rule in their favor the OM will then be forced to prosecute.
But looking at what Dave Holloway said acc. to AD, it seems they will not petition the sepot, since he prefers a sepot above acquittal (vrijspraak).

If there has been an act of prosectution then the sepot is formal, if not the sepot is informal.

If for example the arrests and interrogations of the suspects are considered acts of prosecution, then the sepot is formal, if the arrests and interrogations are considered acts of investigation (they were never charged) then the sepot is informal, and the OM in principle can turn back the sepot, unless the suspects when informed about the sepot have been given the trust that they will not be prosecuted (so that would depend both upon if acts of prosecution have taken place, and how the suspects were informed, maybe Dugo has a better on this).

Here you can read more about a sepot sepot (scroll to halfway for English)

http://dissertaties.ub.unimaas.nl/abstract/10258.pdf

Hopefully the Press Conference of the OM will explain more clear tomorrow. 

[AZSunny]

Good evening everyone.  This has certainly been a setback.  I thought they were going to wait until the end of the year to close this case if they received no further evidence.  The timing stinks! I for one am baffled... In any event, I had the opportunity to speak with John.  He certainly was upset at the news but he said to me, we have a job to do and that's exactly what we're going to do! He told me that they worked all night last night and will for long hours tonight, but that I could report to you the equipment is going in tomorrow morning if everything stays on track! (so far, so good). The details of that Kyle can provide to you.  I am sure he will be updating his blog for everyone as soon as he has time.  In any event, I pray that God guides them to Natalee so that they can bring her home.  Please continue your prayers as there is strength in numbers! 

On a minor note, while I was on the telephone with John he got a call from Fox News.  It appears they will be having a telephone interview with him tonight on "On The Record with Greta Van Sustern.  It is on at 10:00 pm my time.  Perhaps we can get an update then.  This is subject to change with the programming but I thought you may be interested.  No doubt the show will be discussing in detail the closing of the case.

Have a nice evening.  Please continue your prayers!

Well, at least they are going to cover the search!!! I know it is Greta, but at least the word is getting out that we haven't given up in finding Natalee!

[dennisintn]

These people are freaks...that is soooo NOT NATALEE. Are they blind as well as dumb???????

I agree...not a short in hell...they are drinking that kool-aid again!!

will somebody please post a link to this video? 
dennisintn

[MuffyBee]

How stupid can the government of Aruba get?
The case is closed and is headlines all over the world.
Then it is not closed all in the same day.

Sounds like the old there's been a confession thing
all over again.

I am trying to figure out if the prosecutors office actually said the case was closed earlier today, or the defendants were released as suspects.  It sure as hell sounded like the case was closed.   

I don't know.  But when I Google New "Natalee Holloway", there is a list of news agencies carrying stories about the case being closed.   

[terryd270]

Well I wish everyone a Happy Holiday and a Merry Christmas..

[Anna]

I feel so totally jerked around by these creeps!  The investigation is closed.  The investigation is far from over.  If someone you know was doing this to you in person, what would your reaction be?

Well, they are doing it once removed.  I am beginning to suspect it of deliberate and they are truly toying with our emotions and those of this family in a very cruel and callous manner more or less for their own enjoyment the way some sickos pull wings off butterflies and such.

No wonder these PIMP thugs don't know right from wrong.  Look at the examples set for they by not only their parents and elders but their highest officials.  Guess Joran learned the drugging at his father's knee from their doing it to Alex Matthews.

This is all so wrong.  They are truly dysfunctional and I suspect half those in charge may be cocaine addicts to the extent they don't know what they are doing.

[Dayhiker]

Someone posted the gas station video at RU.  It was just uploaded to youtube 12/17/07.  I copied it and uploaded to photobucket in case it disappears from Youtube. Odd it shows up now.  Definately not Natalee IMO:

A blonde girl walks into a convenience store. So what? If you believe that is Natalee you have to believe that is Paulus in the casino because that guy looks a lot more like Paulus than that girl looks like Natalee.

[igsigs]

Informal sepot - got it.  Aruba blows.

[MuffyBee]

dennis ~  here is the link.  I just clicked on the picture Klaas posted, which she had saved to her photobucket.

http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/?action=view&current=YouTube-NataleeHollowayisALIVE.flv

[Dayhiker]

Well I wish everyone a Happy Holiday and a Merry Christmas..

Back atca Terry!

[SunnyinTX]

It sounds like there might be a power struggle going over on that out house island.. I assume everyone knows what happen but one side thats in power don't want to exposed the crime and hope it goes away and those that want it exposed for whatever reason.. I believe they all have hidden agenda's over there but do hope that Beth and Dave get some answers.  Its always been about the time shares and money on that island and those that control those don't want it exposed but hopefully with the drop of their income and the timeshares that they can't give away they had enough and will allowed the evidence to come out because of the above.. Even if they do charged these guys or whatever I will never want anyone I know to go to that outhouse that poses as an island.. They knew what happen the first day it happen and I do believe it has happen many times before, only this time it didn't go as plan with the reaction from us.. 

td

hi Terry...good to see you...I agree with your power struggle point.....so far the power IN aruba is winning.....and Natalee's family suffers

[Blue Moon]

Someone posted the gas station video at RU.  It was just uploaded to youtube 12/17/07.  I copied it and uploaded to photobucket in case it disappears from Youtube. Odd it shows up now.  Definately not Natalee IMO:

Klaas, it was obvious to me that the video was taken after the fact. Notice how the girl always kept her head down and the cap covered her face and she never looked up?  Obvious it was not Natalee to me.  Appears staged to me.

[MuffyBee]

Well I wish everyone a Happy Holiday and a Merry Christmas..

terry ~  it was great to see you here again.  We've been through thick and thin with this case, haven't we?  Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to you too.  I hope we see you back here before then, though 

[Dayhiker]

Well I wish everyone a Happy Holiday and a Merry Christmas..

Back atca Terry!

LOL, meant atcha!

[AZSunny]

The media liaison for the public prosecutor in Aruba dismissed an earlier report that the investigation was over. A press conference scheduled for Thursday will reveal new evidence against three young men last seen with the Alabama teen.The investigation is in a new phase with detectives reviewing new evidence, the media liaison told FOX News.
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But, I thought they could not reveal any evidence, or discuss it if they wanted to use it later in trial?  yep, we don't understand their system.  Could it be because their f--kin system continues to change???