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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 - 2/24/08 (Read 280917 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
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February 23, 2008, 12:57:10 PM »
Quote from: Destiny on February 23, 2008, 12:22:59 PM
G'day Monkeys!
I've been thinking this morning...it's great to see this *dead horse* up and running again. Joran kicked it one too many times...the last time being his taped confession for all the world to see.
Seems that last kick, infused that dead horse with new life...I have chosen to name that dead horse...Natalee's Hope....
Natalee's Hope has been brought back to life...in a way that we have all hoped and prayed for...Natalee's Hope is now strong, vibrant, running for all the world to cheer on to win the race.
Natalee's Hope has jumped the fence that kept him running in only circles...circles and the same old ruts that the *powers that be* wanted him to run...run in circles, until he was tired, worn out, and eventually dead...*the powers that be* were convinced that Natalee's Hope was dead, done with...forgotton.
Not So! Natalee's Hope has raised from the dead...jumped the fence and running wild and free..with all the eyes and ears of the world to witness....We, everyone who has, and still is, keeping the faith of Justice for Natalee, yes, we combined, and with new numbers being added every day...add Strength to Natalee's Hope....
WE...US...are Natalee's Hope...keep running Dear Friends...
I love this analogy. My prayers are that Natalee's Hope takes the "Triple Crown"!
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Quote from: Blonde on February 23, 2008, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: Blonde on February 23, 2008, 12:36:31 PM
Might be from the BHS site?
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=ATM+timeline+in+the+Natalee+Holloway+case&fr=ybr_sbc&u=rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php%3Ft-67.html&w=atm+timeline+timelines+natalee+holloway+case&d=P5Pn9nDuQObt&icp=1&.intl=us
Nope it was not from there I saw it. I have never been to that site. But it is a very early timeline.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
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February 23, 2008, 01:04:13 PM »
Quote from: Ree on February 23, 2008, 12:57:10 PM
Quote from: Destiny on February 23, 2008, 12:22:59 PM
G'day Monkeys!
I've been thinking this morning...it's great to see this *dead horse* up and running again. Joran kicked it one too many times...the last time being his taped confession for all the world to see.
Seems that last kick, infused that dead horse with new life...I have chosen to name that dead horse...Natalee's Hope....
Natalee's Hope has been brought back to life...in a way that we have all hoped and prayed for...Natalee's Hope is now strong, vibrant, running for all the world to cheer on to win the race.
Natalee's Hope has jumped the fence that kept him running in only circles...circles and the same old ruts that the *powers that be* wanted him to run...run in circles, until he was tired, worn out, and eventually dead...*the powers that be* were convinced that Natalee's Hope was dead, done with...forgotton.
Not So! Natalee's Hope has raised from the dead...jumped the fence and running wild and free..with all the eyes and ears of the world to witness....We, everyone who has, and still is, keeping the faith of Justice for Natalee, yes, we combined, and with new numbers being added every day...add Strength to Natalee's Hope....
WE...US...are Natalee's Hope...keep running Dear Friends...
I love this analogy. My prayers are that Natalee's Hope takes the "Triple Crown"!
Thank You Ree...this is my Prayer too.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
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February 23, 2008, 01:04:24 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 12:32:54 PM
Quote from: Blonde on February 23, 2008, 10:46:02 AM
I have NO link saved of where I got this I'm not sure if it's right
Monday, May 30
12:15 am?.......Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive Carlos’nCharlies’
........................MB kids surprised to see Joran because he’d said @ casino Sunday nites slow & no one goes out
12:45 am.........Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’
........................Natalee & other MBHS kids believe Joran van der Sloot is a Dutch tourist visiting Aruba
........................Some locals later tell MBHS kids Joran van der Sloot is a local drug dealer
1:00 am...........Carlos’nCharlie’s closes, everyone starts leaving
1:30 am...........Joran walks next to Natalee outside Carlos’nCharlie’s, but two are not touching
........................MB kids say Natalee does not appear to be drunk & is walking OK
........................Natalee tells MB friends she’s going back to Holiday Inn with another group of MB kids
........................Natalee points to MB kids she’s going with, Kalpoe brothers & Deepak’s car nowhere in sight
........................MB kids see Natalee & Joran in Deepak’s car but think it’s a taxi (taxis not marked in Aruba)
........................Natalee & Joran leave Carlos’nCharlies’ in Deepak Kalpoe’s car with his brother Satish
........................MB kids go back to hotel pool and beach. Marriott beach visible. Moon at 59% illumination
1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak then drives away from Oranjestad to California Lighthouse
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says the brothers drop off Natalee & Joran (@ Marriott?)
2:00 am...........Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail that he & Satish went home and got on the computer
2:00 am...........Person sees Kalpoe brothers in Deepak’s car driving toward Montanja where van der Sloots live
2-3:00 am........Kalpoe’s neighbor sees brothers at home washing Deepak’s car
2:30 am...........Geraldo says Joran van der Sloot calls Deepak Kalpoe and asks for a ride
2:40 am...........Satish Kalpoe’s lawyer David **** says cellphone records show Joran called Deepak
........................Lawyer says Deepak told him Joran said he was walking home & left Natalee on beach
........................Mickey says Deepak told him Joran said he would go online in hour and tell him what happened
3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?
3:00 am?.........Someone who sounds like Natalee leaves garbled message on cellphone voicemail of MB guy
....................... MB guy’s cell (his, not rented) is only MB cell which can make/receive calls locally in Aruba
........................Message on his voicemail is along the lines of “I don't know these people”
3:00 am...........?Natalee also leaves message on Twittys answering machine in MB calling from a cellphone?
........................Beth Twitty in Arkansas @ time. Where were Jug Twitty & Natalee’s 16 y.o. brother Matthew?
........................Cellphone may have belonged to or was rented by Joran or Paulus van der Sloot
........................Beth Twitty tells Fox H&C she believes Natalee was @ van der Sloots when she made the call
3:00 am...........Deepak tells Mickey Johns that Joran text messaged they “need to talk” as per People Mag
3:15 am..........Geraldo says Deepak gets text message saying “Nevermind. Got another ride.”
3:20 am..........Satish’s lawyer says Deepak said he got text message from Joran saying he was home
3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM?
4:00 am..........Geraldo says Paulus picks up Joran (from where??) and drives him home
5:00 am..........50-100 MB kids @ beach, Holiday Inn pool & lobby start to go back to their rooms for sleep
6:30 am..........?Records show call from one of 3 amigo’s cellphones in Santa Lucia area of Aruba ?
.......................?Call is to another of the 3 amigos?
6:40 am..........Julia @ “Aruba Today” says Joran on school bus & “aced” his exam, but no exams scheduled
.......................Headmaster @ International School of Aruba says Joran was late this day & Paulus drove him
???? am..........Joran in school bragging about sex with Natalee -- also saying she drowned??
8:00 am..........Chaperones go to all the MB kids’ hotel rooms, make sure all awake.
.......................Chaperones take headcount and notice Natalee is missing.
Blonde
I have seen this timeline also, but don't recall where from. It interestingly contains the mention of the stop at the other bar by the perps, and the ATM stops, but
sadly not confirmed info on it though I recall it too .......often I think this early info true...out before it got cleaned up, sadly no way to prove it.
1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’
3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?
3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM? [/b]
I think the timeline above may be the one Writenow did at the end of June o5,
I always thought that was important because information was new in the mind.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
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Quote from: MumInOhio on February 23, 2008, 12:41:04 PM
Hi BB...
...******* posted a few days back that it was a slip from David Kock on MSM that they stopped at another bar.
I will see if I can track it down, so much stuff has disappeared though.
Mum
that could be right. I just thought some of the Mountain Brook kids made mention of having witnessed the car stopping. Not certain, should definitely have to read all the statements.
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What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?
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Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 01:10:01 PM
What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?
Interesting Question!
Yes...my *gut* reaction while watching that segment last night was...IF that was Marcos in the video with Tim...and his real voice...my first reaction based on voice and body language was that he was telling somewhat of the truth...I also had the strong impression that Marcos, has partly of Dutch descent...young...just right for the *pimps* age group...and the only way he would have this info he was telling Tim about...is if he is closely involved in the drug trade of Aruba. JMOO
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February 23, 2008, 01:26:04 PM »
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: Blonde on February 23, 2008, 12:40:55 PM
Quote from: Blonde on February 23, 2008, 12:36:31 PM
Might be from the BHS site?
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=ATM+timeline+in+the+Natalee+Holloway+case&fr=ybr_sbc&u=rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php%3Ft-67.html&w=atm+timeline+timelines+natalee+holloway+case&d=P5Pn9nDuQObt&icp=1&.intl=us
Nope it was not from there I saw it. I have never been to that site. But it is a very early timeline.
I'm sorry I didn't recognize the site you posted but BHS, yes Bushy Haired Stranger it might have been.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 23, 2008, 12:38:07 PM
Janet
I didn't mean it in your direction at all. It is very hard to figure it all out. My main point was Bachus's lack of any additional help concerning this matter. In political circles it is rare that you find any of our Senators or Representatives continuing the fight for any length of time. Seems if you act on it once that is enough as far as most politicians are concerned. Take for example, Condi Rice' involvement. She had the power to make a lot more happen in this case...but she didn't due to such things as the Embassy personnel involved such as Jean Akers and the connections to drug laundering and various other strategic matters that fall in the category of Top Secret.
Politicians are basically useless when you need them to actually stand up and be counted...it is a shame too.
Thank you Lala'sMom.
I can relate. Politicians do not differ north of your borders. Both of our great democracies require the leadership that America was privy to under President Ronald Regan. Sadly ... our administrations have adopted appeasement policies when dealing with regimes that choose to undermine our founding principles and values. I contend that these appeasement policies are nothing but a betrayal to the citizens that each of our administrations have been elected to uphold ... to protect.
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Before We Move on, Let's Remember Ronald Reagan's First Victory Against Terrorism
By Daniel Pipes
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On November 4, 1979, a mob indirectly under Khomeini's direction seized the U.S. embassy in Tehran, an action that encouraged Islamist confidence and unleashed Muslim fury against Americans worldwide. That fury then took violent form when Khomeini inaccurately declared that the capture of the Great Mosque of Mecca on November 20 was a U.S.-led assault on the sanctities of Islam. (In fact, it was carried out by a group of bin Laden-like fanatics.)
A wave of anti-American mob attacks then followed in North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. The worst of the violence was in Libya and Pakistan; in the latter country, four deaths resulted – among the first fatalities of militant Islam's war on America.
In reaction, Jimmy Carter hemmed like Bill Clinton and hawed like John Kerry. He got bogged down in diplomatic details and lost sight of principles and goals. For example, he responded in part to the embassy takeover by hoping "to convince and to persuade the Iranian leaders that the real danger to their nation lies in the north, in the Soviet Union."
He responded to diplomatic efforts like a technician: "It's up to the Iranians" to make the next move, he said in late 1980. "I think it would certainly be to their advantage and to ours to resolve this issue without any further delay. I think our answers are adequate. I believe the Iranian proposal was a basis for a resolution of the differences."
In contrast, as president-elect, Ronald Reagan took a bold stance. He called the Iranian captors "criminals and kidnappers" and he called the political leaders "kidnappers." If they understood from his insults, he added, "that they shouldn't be waiting for me [to take office], I'd be very happy."
Reagan and his aides adopted a threatening tone. "We'll just have to do something to bring [the hostages] home," he warned. Edwin Meese III, his transition chief, spoke more explicitly: "the Iranians should be prepared that this country will take whatever action is appropriate" and they "ought to think over very carefully the fact that it would certainly be to their advantage to get the hostages back now."
Reagan's tough words and tough reputation won the United States a rare bloodless victory over militant Islam. Even a senior Carter administration official, though preferring to emphasize his boss's mistakes over Reagan's strengths, grudgingly acknowledged that "we probably would not be getting the hostages out now if Carter had been reelected."
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
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Quote from: Destiny on February 23, 2008, 01:21:22 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 01:10:01 PM
What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?
Interesting Question!
Yes...my *gut* reaction while watching that segment last night was...IF that was Marcos in the video with Tim...and his real voice...my first reaction based on voice and body language was that he was telling somewhat of the truth...I also had the strong impression that Marcos, has partly of Dutch descent...young...just right for the *pimps* age group...and the only way he would have this info he was telling Tim about...is if he is closely involved in the drug trade of Aruba. JMOO
Just the idea of a drug boat running from Aruba(logical) to Nicaragua seemed plausible....and the thought that joran likely called PVDS and then he could have arranged through ......dare I say LVR? the transport of Natalee's body seemed possible.
Link to report on illicit drug transport;
http://tinyurl.com/yuqpnu
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
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February 23, 2008, 01:33:31 PM »
MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON
It would appear that the Monkeys have braved the harsh winter snow storms in New England (
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/02/as_intense_snow.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2
) and have made it to the Boston Travel Show.
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A blinding storm has shrouded Massachusetts in a white blanket of snow, slowing traffic to a crawl and causing spinouts across the state.
What began this morning as a dusting has roiled into a near blizzard that is expected to dump up to 8 inches of snow. Despite the intensity of the squalls, however, few major accidents or traffic jams have been reported.
Traffic is “definitely lighter today being a school vacation week,” said Lieutenant Eric Anderson of the State Police. “I think people also realized the storm was coming. The state and businesses let people go home early. I think that really helped.”
We have our first report from them from Boston. Stay tune for more comments, pics and videos from our brave weather Monkeys keeping Natalee's memory alive in Boston and helping to provide Justice for Natalee.
Listen here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/BostonTravelShow022308.mp3
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Quote from: Red on February 23, 2008, 01:33:31 PM
MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON
It would appear that the Monkeys have braved the harsh winter snow storms in New England (
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/02/as_intense_snow.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2
) and have made it to the Boston Travel Show.
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A blinding storm has shrouded Massachusetts in a white blanket of snow, slowing traffic to a crawl and causing spinouts across the state.
What began this morning as a dusting has roiled into a near blizzard that is expected to dump up to 8 inches of snow. Despite the intensity of the squalls, however, few major accidents or traffic jams have been reported.
Traffic is “definitely lighter today being a school vacation week,” said Lieutenant Eric Anderson of the State Police. “I think people also realized the storm was coming. The state and businesses let people go home early. I think that really helped.”
We have our first report from them from Boston. Stay tune for more comments, pics and videos from our brave weather Monkeys keeping Natalee's memory alive in Boston and helping to provide Justice for Natalee.
Listen here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/BostonTravelShow022308.mp3
It's kind of a two edged sword! It's good that FEWER people will attend the Travel show -- but bad that FEWER people will get to see our Monkeys!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
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Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 01:10:01 PM
What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?
Well, if he is then the Persistence is wasting a ton of money and why didn't those Colombians just drop her in the deep, deep ocean? Why keep her stowed away to bury in another country? Then again, that would certainly make "no body,no crime" a certainty, wouldn't it? What I can't understand is knowing Tim Miller could easily identify you why even risk it? More confusion.
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I have no idea why this is in tody's news. Just more of what we have been hearing for the past 2 weeks...or however long it has been. Thought I would bring it over anyway.
Translated from:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article507049.ece/Joran_pas_van_moord_verdacht_na_extra_autorit
Joran just of assassination suspected after extra drive
The Public Prosecution Service (OM) on Aruba found ` consent filmed by
peter R. freezes of Joran of of the ditch initially insufficient to
suspect him of assassination. Freeze after showing the pictures to
Public Prosecution Service an extra drive has made to diddle more
details of of the ditch. Afterwards there was much reason for the
suspicion of assassination according to Public Prosecution Service.
This writes Menno of solicitted.
This puts the arubaanse chief public prosecutor Hans mos. Of of the
ditch said during that extra ride that he did not know certainly if
Natalee Holloway were dead then its body in sea were dumped. Public
Prosecution Service by freezes of the extra ride was in advance
informed.
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February 23, 2008, 01:40:21 PM »
Quote from: Red on February 23, 2008, 01:33:31 PM
MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON
It would appear that the Monkeys have braved the harsh winter snow storms in New England (
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/02/as_intense_snow.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2
) and have made it to the Boston Travel Show.
Quote
A blinding storm has shrouded Massachusetts in a white blanket of snow, slowing traffic to a crawl and causing spinouts across the state.
What began this morning as a dusting has roiled into a near blizzard that is expected to dump up to 8 inches of snow. Despite the intensity of the squalls, however, few major accidents or traffic jams have been reported.
Traffic is “definitely lighter today being a school vacation week,” said Lieutenant Eric Anderson of the State Police. “I think people also realized the storm was coming. The state and businesses let people go home early. I think that really helped.”
We have our first report from them from Boston. Stay tune for more comments, pics and videos from our brave weather Monkeys keeping Natalee's memory alive in Boston and helping to provide Justice for Natalee.
Listen here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/BostonTravelShow022308.mp3
Interesting, Kathy said Rob Smith is at the show!!
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Dateline makes Dutch News
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/88151
Parents search for Natalee Holloway continue
The father and mother of Natalee Holloway continue the search to their
for the. Them hope that a search with sonarboot their at last to the
body of their for the will lead.
That said Dave Holloway to father, in the prominent research programme
Dateline, of the American sender NBC.
The American Natalee disappeared at the end of a holiday on Aruba, by
the end of May 2005, after an evening step. Rather the research ship
zocht ' Persistence ' also already, in vain, to the body of the little
girl.
' ' if she is there, then they will find its. If they do not find her,
we have best done to our extrême '', said visible geëmotioneerde
Dave Holloway, which describes the search as very painfully, and ' '
the wondrous '' find that he has not yet died ' ' to a heart attack
''.
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Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 01:32:42 PM
Quote from: Destiny on February 23, 2008, 01:21:22 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 01:10:01 PM
What did everyone think about that guy from Nicaragua and his wanting to talk to Tim? Did anyone but me think he sounded somewhat credible?
Interesting Question!
Yes...my *gut* reaction while watching that segment last night was...IF that was Marcos in the video with Tim...and his real voice...my first reaction based on voice and body language was that he was telling somewhat of the truth...I also had the strong impression that Marcos, has partly of Dutch descent...young...just right for the *pimps* age group...and the only way he would have this info he was telling Tim about...is if he is closely involved in the drug trade of Aruba. JMOO
Just the idea of a drug boat running from Aruba(logical) to Nicaragua seemed plausible....and the thought that joran likely called PVDS and then he could have arranged through ......dare I say LVR? the transport of Natalee's body seemed possible.
Link to report on illicit drug transport;
http://tinyurl.com/yuqpnu
bb ... I agree.
My theory implies that Natalee was taken out to sea in the first week of June by Lorenzo but ... when his involvement with the drug trade is considered ... maybe ... just maybe ... Lorenzo solicited assistant in disposing of Natalee's remains.
My theory in a nutshell includes all seven formal suspects as well as Freddy and Lorenzo. For brevity ... I omitted back up quotes/reasoning.
Janet
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OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."
1. Freddy is waiting at the VDS' residence ... with his camera ... when Satish, Deepak and Joran arrive with a drugged Natalee after leaving Carlos 'N Charles'.
2. Guido arrives in a separate vehicle at approximately the same time.
3. A sexual assault ensues.
4. In an attempt to escape a gang rape Natalee sustains a head injury administred by Guido.
5. The decision is made to take Natalee to the beach where she can sleep it off and ... make her own way to the HI in time to catch her flight back home.
6. Freddy remains at the VDS' residence.
7. Joran, Deepak and Guildo ... enroute to the beach ... drop Satish off at home.
8. Deepak drops off Joran, Guido and a "passed out" Natalee at the beach while he parks his vehicle a short distance away at the tennis club.
9. However ... Guido and Joran realize that Natalee is deceased (appears deceased).
10. Leaving a what appears to be a deceased Natalee hidden in the mangrove bushes ... Joran and Guido run across the street to where Deepak is waiting.
11. A panicked discussion ensues. When it is considered that Joran, Deepak and Satish were observed leaving Carlos 'n Charlie's ... the injury and the DNA evidence on Natalee's person could be very incriminating.
12. Paulus is contacted.
13. The gardener enters the picture. He observes Joran, Deepak and Guildo in the parked vehicle.
14. Paulus arrives and ... accesses the situation.
15. Assistance in moving a deceased Natalee is required. GVC and Steve Croes are contacted.
16. Deepak and Guido leave the scene.
17. Joran is sent home walking to create an alibi.
18. Natalee is placed in a white beach parol pickup and driven to Lorenzo's home and ... place in his basement..
19. On June 1, 2005 ... Junior observes Natalee being taken from a white pickup and placed in the landfill.
20. Junior's observeration dictates that Natalee is later moved and placed in a shallow grave on the east side.
21. A short period of time later ... Natalee is taken out to sea in Lorenzo's boat.
Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
June 18, 2006
MANSUR: I do know what our reporters have been able to find, Lorenzo is a half brother of Joran. He has a boat. He lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned, but people mention his name quite often in regard to this case.
http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=06&post_day=18
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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Quote from: Pita on February 23, 2008, 01:40:21 PM
Quote from: Red on February 23, 2008, 01:33:31 PM
MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON ... MONKEYS HAVE ARRIVED IN BOSTON
It would appear that the Monkeys have braved the harsh winter snow storms in New England (
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/02/as_intense_snow.html?p1=Well_MostPop_Emailed2
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A blinding storm has shrouded Massachusetts in a white blanket of snow, slowing traffic to a crawl and causing spinouts across the state.
What began this morning as a dusting has roiled into a near blizzard that is expected to dump up to 8 inches of snow. Despite the intensity of the squalls, however, few major accidents or traffic jams have been reported.
Traffic is “definitely lighter today being a school vacation week,” said Lieutenant Eric Anderson of the State Police. “I think people also realized the storm was coming. The state and businesses let people go home early. I think that really helped.”
We have our first report from them from Boston. Stay tune for more comments, pics and videos from our brave weather Monkeys keeping Natalee's memory alive in Boston and helping to provide Justice for Natalee.
Listen here:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/BostonTravelShow022308.mp3
Interesting, Kathy said Rob Smith is at the show!!
Now that sounds like a KODAK moment to me...Rob Smith with a Justice for Natalee, boycott Aruba banner behind him....
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Oh Gawd! Had to ruin it with Pukopino spinning at the end
But they are still looking for donations for the search! We need to get the word out!
What the hell is Taco Joe using on his hair?
Greasy..........
I don't know, but his face is too big for the top of his head...
That is because he only needs a hugh mouth and no brains needed for his work/life!!!!
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Glenda wrote: "aruba's job was not to babysit Beth's daughter. Beth sent her daughter to swim with the sharks, she is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee." = there is no homicide in aruba, only SUICIDE. Don't go to aruba if you value your life.
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Quote from: JusticeforNatalee on February 19, 2008, 03:07:18 PM
By the way, our efforts to stand up for Natalee's justice are shaping up well, especially for Boston. Should have a good, strong group if all make it. (Still could use more people the New York event. Small group but need more)
These double protests have resulted in a lot of expenses, so if anyone is inclined to help with a donation, please contact Vicki:
JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
Right now there is a need for more funds for shipping those gorgeous (and attention-getting) banners and signs around and then, ultimately, back to Jamie.
Also, we want to make sure we have enough flyer copies, so funds are needed for that.
So, any help you can provide for these current needs would be greatly appreciated.
I hate to bring it up and don't want to detract from the Persistence, but the reality is that we need some help.
Thank you so much! Let's all continue the good fight for Natalee's justice!
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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