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Has anyone been watching the site meter recently to see if the son of the ditch is reading here from Holland or from Aruba?

Whew, that was just in the nick of time!  I fear I will soon be in Lala's book!  I hear her pencil sharpener now.

Good idea.  I'll take a look see.

There has been someone reading from Aruba all day long and from the Netherlands there have been about 5 various locations.

Two thumbs up to AZ and San.

All I see is Jamaica and ? Unknown Country.  Hmm...

Good catch, San.  I don't see them there now.

They were there earlier.  I would say less than an hour ago.

How about Rotterdam Zuid Holland?   :wink:

Shout out to Rotterdam, Zuid-Holland and  71.75.240.#  Unknown Country.  How's the weather there today?  :lol:

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I saw China, Venezuela, Australia, Germany, Israel.  I think there was Antigua too.

I looked at Location and Who's On.  Where were you looking?

I am open to the possibility that Joran did go to school on monday and Paulus is playing dumb because...

1) It's the how he got to school, or the when that is a problem.

2) It muddies up his other non-answers to make them seem less important.

I am under the impression that he did go to school, also, but he went late and Paulus or someone else took him.  Paulus recognized that Joran's best alibi would to be seen at school on Monday.  Joran, however, was so exhausted from his nightly activities that he slept much of the day.  

The students also reported that he bragged to them about having sex with Natalee and her drowning and hitting her head.  This was when the Headmaster called Anita to tell her to shut him up.  Was this on Tuesday or later?

(Tues-) Paulus:

I cannot remember what I did when I got home. I think that Joran
went to bed and that I worked a little in the garden  
and then started preparing dinner. I informed Anita about what
had taken place. That night I went to bed early.

Someone saw him digging?

PVDS June 23:
To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children
get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and
Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus
once or twice during that period. But I do not remember exactly which
days he did not go with the bus. It could be that it was that Monday.
Most likely I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with
the bus. A clue to the fact that Joran did not go to school that Monday
could be that on Tuesday I insisted that he went to school that day.


His father says he did not go to school that day. Really?  Then where did we get the story about his classmates teasing him and such?  From Renfroe? Is it in writing from an interview or does anyone know?

You know, Paulus does not strike me as a gardener.  From the photos I've seen, the yard is overrun with weeds and the plants are not in good shape.  Paulus working in the garden is an odd enough visual picture as to make one go "hmmm...."

I wonder what he was burying in the flowers.

If the dirt is disturbed and freshly turned, Paulus was working in the garden.

I looked under World Map.  When it brings the map up it gave me red, green and white dots all over the country and the world.  When I put my curser near the dot it told me the location of where they were.  There is someone right now from:
State/Region:  Zuid-Holland
City:  Delft

If Paulus and Joran had DNA and blood on their clothing or shoes from Sunday/Monday's rape and murder, perhaps he felt it was safe to bury them in the garden.  He certainly knew that no one could legally enter his yard unless he allowed them to do so.  No problem.  I've long contended that criminals hide the most incriminating evidence in a place they feel is private and protected.  Remember, when you were a kid, you hid the contraband under your socks and underwear?  The most private place.  Paulus would not trust anyone else to dispose of the most personal evidence, and he would place it in a place he could protect--his own back yard.

Joran says he went to school and daddy says he didn't.

Joran June 14:
At approximately 08.00 am, I arrived at school on the bus. I had slept the entire time the bus took to get to school.

Paulus would trust Jan Van der Straaten.  Now how do we know evidence was buried?  He could have given it to someone to hold that we would never think of.

San, I checked the map too.  I saw Delft and another Holland location in the last 10 minutes or so.  Thanks.

I don't think Paulus would trust personal items with anyone else.  And, remember, he worked in the garden on Tuesday.  Very odd.

I'm off to find some dinner and watch Kimberly Guilfoyle at 6 pm.  Talk to you Monkeys later.

Haven't looked at the World Map in a long time, but last summer there were two ips from Boxtel that would read the discussion thread every night. Boxtel being the homebase for the Sweatyrunningman.

Does anyone remember where the story of Joran being picked up at Lorenzo's originated?  Tell it wasn't Renfroe. :roll:

My guess would be RWV but I could be wrong.  Maybe Tylergal will remember.

Dave/Art Wood, IIRC.

Can we really tell if any story from that dirty little island didn't originate from  Renfro and AVDS?

I've also heard from across the ocean that Paulus buried things in the cistern and capped it over, for whatever it's worth - quite some time ago I might add.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: sweatyrunningman

I'm not defending Paulus or Anita by any means, but there is no proof that the vd Sloots had any problems in the Netherlands other than Paulus delaying the road thru his property in Boxtel. Anything else is speculation, unless you have other information.

I agree that there had to be dysfunction within the vd Sloot family, afterall, what family doesn't have some form of dysfunction in it? I also agree that part of Joran's problem was the pemissivity & lack of parental supervision, maybe even directly related to Paulus being absent during his quest to become a judge.  But I also believe it was the socials mores in Aruba that contributed to Joran's sense of entitlement, disregard for the value of the opposite sex and the fact that Aruba is so lax in its laws.

Sociopathy usually can be related to the circumstances of environment, but psychopathy is inborn and not learned behavior.  

I believe that Joran is a true psychopath and is the one who killed Natalee.  I think Anita & Paulus failed their child in getting help for him, and have been covering up for him for a long time, including what happened to Natalee.

I do know that Miss Idaho told Greta that a a phone call was made from the sonofaditch phone or the dithc's phone to an area where steve croes stayed with his father approximately 6:40 a.m. that Monday and she said that the sonofaditch went to school and maxed his tests.  Some students stated on RWV that he went to school, was late, had scratches and a teacher took pictures of them where he had the scratches.  The teacher later went to Ethiopia.  Also other students said he had no tests and slept in the aisles all day where as Miss Idaho said he maxed his tests taht day. From school records, we found the only tests given that day were the APT's which Joran took one, the English exam, on which he scored a 5.  AzLady can tell you what a 2 on that test means --- failure.

Anna might recall but it seems to me that Maria of Aruba (whatever her name was, phony names they used) is the one who told that but I could be mistaken.

Maria was the one who at RWV told us that Natalee's body was limed so it would not smell.  Maria was all pro-Beth & Natalee until the powers that be got to her.  She is a shopkeeper and has real property that she rents, so I am sure the handwriting was coming down from somewhere when she made the switch from lightness to dark, maybe it was Scubajap who threatened to take her out without a SCUBA.

Sunfreak-

Paulus did a bit worse than just delaying the  construction of a highway away from the school children involving a piece of his family's property, quite a few children were killed trying to cross that roadway during the nearly five year the sweatyrunningman worked to jack up the price on his land due to the duress.

I won't excuse him for that.

Sunfreak, I do have some information that is not favorable to Paulus' tenure in Holland, but I will not share that on an open forum, because I do not know if it is true or not, so to query where Joran might have gotten these characteristics, is not divulging what I have been told that might/might not be true.  We have nothing to say that information is not true or is true, but a brother lives in Spain.  That is all I am going to say, but there is big money in Holland that is protecting the people of the Ditch.

Dana will be starting shortly.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com:8000/listen.pls

use this link to listen.,

Well... I am going to multitask and do both!  I had emailed Dana after the Columbia incident and asked if we could get a MM interview....

hey Tom, can we plan on you calling in sometime soon?

Tom
Are you still here?  I have a question for you.

Let me guess..why is the clock in the forum behind by 9 minutes,  LOLOL :lol:

Hey y'alll they didn't mention Dave...

I was on  a couple of weeks ago with Dana, but probably will call in again in the near future.

 I was wondering if I missed sumpin.. I didnt hear him mentioned either.

So I am listening to Dana .... and waiting with the TV on mute....

yes, I am ...

re the clock, I have reset it on the server, but it will not take effect until the next reboot. We have been very stable recently, crossing fingers and toes, so the server has not had to be rebooted, so the time has not changed.

Well dern TOM... you should call in more.... I know that you have things to say... :wink:  :D

This is why I keep saying that we are looking for help from Holland in vain. The sad part is that Beth is thinking they will help her, and I just don't see it as a realistic hope. It is almost like she is grasping for any straw she can latch onto at this point.

Sorry I missed your previous call Tom.....hopefully I'll catch the next one.

Mrs - I noticed no mention of Dave too, do you think he's in the "other stories" or this is just a misfire tonight?

Yes Dave will be on she just mentioned it.

ah the three amigos just flashed on FOX  so looks like some kind of blurb on their pursuit to be cleared?

It is my hope that DeVries... who we hear doesn't mind shaking up the system can help.... or that along with friends... or that they have made a few enemies in so called high places...

 K thye just said Dave will be on later., in regard to the 3 dips back in court on Nov 1st

You got it!! :wink:

Dave and Beth are way patient... more than a lot of people would have been....

Thank you, thank you for the answer.  I was getting paranoid about living in the twilight zone.  I have this thing for punctuality.  :roll:

tyler, it feels like it's been ages since I crossed paths with you!

Do you think that Holland presents a united front, or IS there a possibility of VDS enemies high up in the power structure? Do you have a reason to think that VDS has a problem with someone there?

OK... I have to say that I don't have any issue whatsoever with legal immigrants.... but I do have an issue with the whole illegal thing...

Carmen is interesting....


Sorry y'all I am multitasking.....

You have such a way with words.  :lol:

Can anyone tell me what they are saying about Tara G that is watching FOx?

LOL Lalas.. I was being polite... I could say far worse.. but wouldnt want you to get out the muffs and your pencils.. ROFL!!

OK... did I skeer everyone???   Even though i worked hard all day... I showered...

  Mrs Red.. no new news there either. :(

another sad case.....

Living in California and having worked in a hospital for almost 11 years I have a HUGE problem with illegal immigrants.

Try going to an emergency room.  They use ER's for their doctors offices.  They get medical service for free.  They are using our system and most of the money they do earn gets sent back to Mexico.  Hospitals are having to close their doors because they are loosing so much money.  I could go on and on.  

I say build a wall, as tall and long as you can.  If they want to live in America, let them apply for legal residency.

JACKPOT  :D

Hi, Sb, I have missed all of you.  I think we all know that the Lord musta loved the little man because he made so many of them, and I think that is what Beth is clinging to, the little man, because the little man can make a difference.  Ghandi proved that.  MLK proved that.  I think that is Beth's best hope and pressure is pressure and when it starts coming from the little man (there are so many of them), things happen.  I am very happy she has this opportunity and if she did not take advantage of it, she would always wonder if she had not, could she have made a difference.  I continue praying, as I know you do too.

Klaasend... very well said... I agree.

Tyler, I am hoping and praying right along with you....

It's been so long since they saw a wasp in the ER in our area, they put out a warrant for arresting them when they show up, as if they were from Mars or something.

Klaas,

I totally agree with you. I live near an area that has been completely overwhelmed by illegal immigrants. The school system and health care facilities are all struggling. Most of them don't pay any taxes, but they use all the services provided by taxpayer dollars. The children they have here are almost all using medicaid and WIC services as well. I don't think the children of illegal immigrants should automatically be citizens.

I'm in favor of that wall also.

I really just don't understand our government on this one, it's so obvious what 'the people' want done.

Apparently one of the more obvious failings of a 'representative' forum of government.

well what really irritates me is that somehow we are supposed think they deserve all of these benefits....

now granted I have seen quite a few hardworking illegals... but you know what?? working hard or not, they can do it legally!!!  BTW, I am pretty sure that Dana's guest is actually a legal immigrant.... I believe Carmen immigrated legally years ago...

Oranjestad, Aruba is now signed on :D

Ditch, or sonofaditch?

Oh, I see K2 with their soft luggage.

Then I hope Aruba hears that we still think that K2 and jvds...

ARE GUILTY....

and we will BOYCOTT until justice is done....

and no matter how hard they try to spin..... or make us BULL that she ran away..... we know better....


SO recap:
(1) THEY ARE GUILTY < IMO
(2) THE ISLAND WILL KEEP LOSING TOURISTS UNTIL THEY SOLVE THIS AND GIVE US ANSWERS!!!

Anybody listening to Fox?  It's on

i DID.... I wish Dave would say to ppl to come here and read the statements.... I would love for even more Americans to see how horrific....

I could solve this illegal problem.  Line them up, give them a gun, no matter if it is man or woman, send them to Iraq and if they maintain some degree of honorable service, they get their citizenship.  Draft should apply to all illegals, no holes barred, age 17 and up.  Tough about the kids.  We have American citizens where both parents serve.  Send the younguns to gramma.

actually here and BFN....

Look at all the ppl that saw when Beth said that in HOlland.....

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Dave is on with Dana right now

Wow, Dave just hung up from Line Up and is already on Dana!

DAVE IS ON DANA>>>>NOW>>>

Dutch taking over the investigation, been on the island, some left.  What they have done, who they have talked to, we are not going to know....??? cannot hear.  Dave has a very mild demeanor and soft voice.  He needs to get him a big stick! and beat some folks up.

ANYONE KNOW IF THE KOENBURGERS are in anyway connected to Jossy?  I know Jossy has family in Atlanta.  Just makes me go hmmmmm.

David Kock said that was to release them as suspects since there is NOTHING GOING ON in the investigation.  He said it was like a sword hanging over their heads.  

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It should stay there....

They need to have that sword put to their throats.   :x  :x

What's he saying, I can't hear it tonight?

Koch made it seem like it is the judges that are pushing this Nov. 1 court date, trying to make Janssen show her hand. Why would a judge do this on behalf of J2K? Is the judge also pushing for a status review for the SGs? Or any of the other suspects? Something is not right here.

Yes, what a terrible analogy.  I wanted to say well, let's DROP it as in onto their heads!

Down load WINAMP... it's free... and it's good....

SAN - are you doing a transcript of The Lineup?

maybe running a little scared.... I mean even the the darkside is worried about DeVries... supposedly he doesn't worry about who he shakes up....

Hi, Igs,
I have never seen a judicial system like this one.  It is TOTALLY FLAWED for how can one reasonably expect to ever obtain convictions with judges and ALE acting as a part of the defense team.

We even had members of the Prosecution (on vacation--sure!) present during the alleged search of just Joran's apartment.  

Do they not grasp the concept of conflict of interest and appearance of wrong doing?  

Or do they just not even care enough to put in even a good showing for us?  It is like a new slap in the face periodically from the judiciary and law enforcement.  What an insane system.  The Dutch law professors took it to task but we see that no one listened to them.

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ok  Anna we need you to call.......

Robots... call in!  LOL....

Right after you, None. . . . .

klaasend.... you call...

I said I wasn't defending Paulus.  I think Paulus is scum on the feet of cockroaches. I was making the point that Joran's tendencies as a psychopath are not learned.  Are psychopaths sociopaths?  Most are b/c they share many common traits. Generally sociopaths are products of their environment.  But being a psychopath does not make one necessarily a socoiopath, or vice versa.  The same goes for antisocial behavior disorder. While Paulus has traits of antisocial behavior disorder, he doesn't seem to have the criteria to label him a sociopath.  According to Dave, Paulus had tears in his eyes when Dave said to him that he could forgive if what happened to Natalee was an accident.  Then Paulus said he would do anything to protect his son.  A lot of fathers would do anything to protect their sons, especially if Paulus has done that many times before and knows what Joran is.  Then again, a lot of fathers would do the right thing for society and for their own son, and help get him off the street so he doesn't kill again and to get him the mental help he needs.

I'm not defending the Kalpoe's mom either, but when she said, "Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people I know that I lie sometimes." I tend to agree with her.  Lies=fibs=white lies.  Even our sex-addicted POTUS lied to the whole nation.

Like I said earlier, I'm not making excuses for anyone in Aruba who played a part in Natalee's disappearance or coverup of the same.  I just don't believe one can totally blame the actions of the child on the parents.
To make my point clearer, here in Atlanta we have a case where a teenager trying to commit suicide after being jilted by her female friend. She deliberately drove her car at a high rate of speed into an oncoming car.  She survived, but the woman of the other car was killed and her child injured.  Are her parents to blame for her actions?  I think her parents are partially to blame, in that they provided the car to the girl and failed to recognize or do anything about the girl's depressive/suicidal tendencies. But at the same time you can't blame the parents for the girl committing suicide anymore than you can blame a talk show host when a guest commits suicide. They may have contributed to the burden, but they didn't cause the person to take their own life.

Paulus & Anita didn't cause Joran to kill his dog and they didn't cause Joran to rape girls & murder Natalee, imo.

I'm really not feeling all that good today, would rather not call.  Think I caught whatever Red has...LOLOLOL  :lol:

GOSH I hope not... he's not even being a good sick person now.... but he is so incredibly ill.....

Maybe it's time to go to either the doctor or the ER?  He's been sick a few days now.

Sunfreak-

I wasn't challenging you with my post regarding the truth of Boxtel Freeway, I thought perhaps you didn't have the full story, that's all. I do think the parents of Joran avoided disciplining him and as a parent, I know what that entails and of a "sporter" physically larger than you are. It's not easy, it requires you be very hands-on and persistent and consistent. If we don't start holding some parents accountable I fear our society will have increasing problems.

I also think highly of you and your opinions, so hopefully we can agree to disagree on parts of this and agree on others?

I'd like to throw in my 2 cents on that. Paulus was dismissed as a judge-in-training.  If he was/is all that powerful in the NL, I don't believe that would have happened.  And surely he has enemies or at least people who dislike him after him stalling that road in Boxtel.

Hiya Monkeys

Whoever was visiting from Oranjestad was reading PVDS statement on the front page. Wonder who?????

He has until tomorrow.... then off to the doctor !!

I have lived in Maine too long... I just heard myself say yep....  :shock:

Probably PVDS, so he could remember what story he told that time. :wink:

Mrs. Red - what would be the proper southern term instead of YEP?   :lol:

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I think... uh.huh...

when I first moved here, and people would say yep.. I thought OMG that is SOOOO rude.... and now I am right there...

Anna, it certainly looks that way. You would think that with just the info that we do have on J2K, the statements...etc...that alone would be enough for them to remain suspects. Now we have a judge trying to accelerate the process for them? It appears that the judge is telling KJ that she must raise the evidentiary bar in order to keep them as suspects, but Arlene never told us about that.

yoohoo?  :lol: j/k

I don't know specifics about the past life and character of PVDS. I have always been unwilling to think of him as a profligate teen skirt chaser.

Sometimes kids reflect the OPPOSITE of what their parents are, in reaction against what they see as being their parents' excesses. The preacher's daughter hits college age and works the streets, while the drunkard's son becomes a minister.

I see Joran kind of like that.

To be honest, I see PVDS as having all the character and personality of a slug under a rock. I see him as a great big "zero", devoid of any feelings or concepts about his behavior. I see him as being basically, unconcerned and just living out his life day by day with no drive or push to do anything excpt mark time. He's just... there. As a person, and as a parent.

The teenage reaction to a person like that would be to put the petal to the metal about EVERYTHING... gambling, drinking, sex, killing dogs, what have you. NO restraints.

I give you Joran.

Will have? That boat has already sailed.

That's because their laws are like jello and will take on any shape they dream up.  With no jury system, to me this just looks like who is bribing the judge today routine.  One person should not be allowed to make these sorts of decisions alone.

Remember when Paulus and Anita held the top secret meeting with the judge right before Joran's release?  That kind of thing would be highly illegal in this country for it looks for all the world to me like they are just flatly being bribed to rule in favor of these suspects every time.

No one releases suspects with this much evidence against them until they are either cleared or the case solved.  No one except the FOP's (Friends of Paulus) in Aruba that is.

Well carnut, last time I checked no one gave me a pass on parenting or being accountable. So I elect you to go round up a passle of these lazy apathetic parents and set them straight, ok?

I'm worn out  :lol:

I totally agree. If we didn't have different views on different things, life would be boring.  I love a good debate as long as it is respectful.  And ours was! Also differences of opinions stimulate our thinking and we all know that 2 heads are better than one, unless the 2 heads are on the same person.

Hugs to you, None.  I hope I didn't offend you or anyone else with my strong opinions.

Sorry, I am too busy complaining about illegal aliens.

I hope this doesn't become a rant but it's something that really frustrates me so I'm going to toss it out here, make of it what you will.

Paulus was studying to be a judge, a keeper of laws and judgments in any given known society, namely Aruba and in our case the US. I expect a HIGHER standard from them, from a teacher too, such as his wife. So if a wannabe judge and special counsel to the Minister of Justice is afforded a pass on parenting, then what kind of statement is that regarding Aruba overall ????????

I personally feel Paulus played some poker of his own, he played his ACE, whatever that was it was enough to shut up an entire island.

rant over.

none, I have seen great big strapping teenage boys who would backtalk dad and defy & challenge him openly... quail and cower like little sissies when Mama brings it down. Funniest thing I have ever seen how some boys get like that.

Maybe the judge is on the payola!

that was my rambling point with Dana..... that the island knows what happened...

SB,
There is some truth to what you say and likely a great deal thence the following expression and pre-made icon.  In some of the photos of Paulus looking admiringly at Joran I wonder if we have the case of the parent living vicariously through his son.

Now don't anybody jump on me, I didn't make this.  It is just an expression and one that has been around a very long time.
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Hey, mrs Red, Francis McDorman is on in 'Somethings Gotta Give' and she is sooooo different from the Cop Lady in 'Fargo'.

have you been talking to son?  :wink:   :lol:

Yes, the culture of that dirty little island has become quite vivid.

yes they do, I was listening and appreciated you said it out loud !!

I really like her...she can do lots of different things...

thanks, it wasn't eloquent, but it was heartfelt....

SB,
I have that phenomenon and will tell you why.  I have three and they sort of like to best each other, scuffle around.  So if one is giving Mama any grief, the other two are just tickled to pummel him but good.  Salivating at the very thought of getting to legitimately do so, lol!

And they try to out do each other sometimes in being good to Mama as well.  Hope this carries over when they all have nice incomes, lol.  Their biggest scandal is to make Mama cry!!  

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Monkeys... I hate that I need to run out.. I have missed hearing y'alls thoughts the last couple of days...

but keep the faith... I do believe it moves mountains!

Nite y'all...

Didn't she win an award for her portrayal in Fargo?

Yep Best Actress in a Leading Role, 1997.

Justin's = you will have your poster this week... if you email me tomorrow I will give you a tracking number...

Related to none's post...

Aruba is a small place with limited population. They sort of have to take what they can get when it comes to authority figures, not much to choose from. None of their candidates or officials really stand out as being towering figures of justice and morality.

If PVDS can't make the grade there, he ain't much.

WHAT would cause him to be bounced from consideration? He's certainly not the first official in the world whose kid painted the town red on weekends.

I think the whole "failed judge" thing is bogus. He was needed for some other duties and being a judge would have conflicted. I have always wondered what secrets the man holds.

We might use the same word but when we get through with it, it has two syllables and so doesn't sound nearly as short.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

They were probably fighting with each other over who would get to take the next puddlejump from Curacao. Me Me !  Pick Me!  :arrow: $$$$$

Did Dave say anything about the case on Dana? Is he still on?

Conversely, I have seen I don't know how many teen girls who sass and backtalk Mom over every little thing, who just melt like candy on the dashboard whenever Dad wants them to do something.

I am convinced even very young kids (I mean like 2-3 years old) develop skills in "playing" the opposite gender by behavior toward parents, that later on transfers to their boy-girl dealings.

BOC on a fly By! Hi monks anything on next weeks meeting at B'ham?

Ah, a budding behavioral Psychologist.

BOC... loose lips sink ships.  :wink:

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Now carnut, you KNOW you agree with me though...

exactly! so what is in Paulus' little black book? I think the key to the whole mystery is there......

Yes, most definitely.

Email me!

To the evil ones at RU:

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BOC - regarding that meeting.  Some say it's secret and some say it's not.  In any case, it's not something we have discussed in this open forum.

I think we all have known from the start the 'who' the 'what' and the 'how', the only real mystery is the 'why' of the coverup.

If so, it sure has cost them a lot of those $$$$ so far.

I didn't say they were the sharpest knives in the drawer  :wink:  Look at Steve Cohen :wink:  :lol:

Tyler, If you are comfortable with emailing me that info, I would like to read it.

Nice to see our board jumping again like this! I have been on several nights where I post and then sit back and listen to the crickets.

From The Line Up with Megyn Kendall - 10/22/06

David Kock on the Phone:

MK – What the point of going into court on this November 1st hearing and trying to get their names cleared?

DK – You know that was the date that was set by the judge because it’s been some time now that we already solicited the judge to instruct the DA either to proceed with the case and set the date for the trial or to dismiss the case.  Because these people cannot be held in that situation not knowing what is happening we’re about 17 months later and there are really no new developments in the case.

MK – But what’s the point I mean if they get some sort of official declaration that they are no longer suspects in the case what does it do for them.  Does it change their rights? What’s happening down there in Aruba at all?

DK – Yes well they can finally close the book on this issue and go on and of course there will be other consequences if somebody is investigated while no case is (I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE JUST SAID).  This thing is hanging like a sword on top of their head and it’s not going away.

MK – It doesn’t look like any charges are pending anytime soon from what we’ve heard.  Let me ask you this we’ve reported on the show last night that the Dutch Authorities have taken over the investigation of this case.  Why would the judge clear Deepak and Satish Kalpoes and Joran Van der Sloot for that matter now when fresh authorities are taking another look at this?

DK – You know it was very funny because we submitted our request some time ago and then all of a sudden Dutch Police are being involved.  To us it’s more of a reaction from the Aruba DA maybe to tell or pretend towards the judge that there is still something going on because we were suppose to have a hearing already the end of July/August.  I think based on this new Dutch investigation the judge wanted to give them some leeway and I think that’s why the date was set November 1st  like November 1st you have to come up with something because we can’t keep going on like this.

MK – Humm interesting.  Well we are obviously keeping our eyes posted on this case that has had our country riveted on this like you said 17 months now.


On the Phone Dave Holloway:

MK – You know let me ask you the same question that I just finished up with David.  Do you believe that these suspects might officially be cleared on November 1st when the Dutch authorities are taking a fresh look at it and hopefully the investigation is in a way starting a new?

DH – He mentioned something about funny that things happen that’s very coincidental that they are setting dates to get dismissed just when the Dutch are coming in and investigate it quite coincidental.  A lot of things have been coincidental in this case by the way.

MK – At this point I got to image you have next to no or no faith in the Aruba courts.  What do you expect to happen Dave what do you think this money is on.

DH – Well I would hope that they would not allow for them to be freed.  But if I was banking on it, based on what’s happened in the past it’s a possibility that they will be released.

MK – Dave is anything happening as far as you know in the case.  As I just mentioned and as you know the United States has been riveted to Natalee’s disappearance for over a year and a half now.  There were nightly updates on the case for so long but now it’s has fallen by the way side a bit in terms of the public eye.  Are you still on this case day to day in terms of leads it in the investigation or not so much anymore?

DH – Oh it stays on your mind every day you are always constantly thinking what happened.  You know your daughter went to Aruba for a four day vacation and all of a sudden she disappears and no one seems to know what happened.  You know a lot of circumstantial evidence is surrounding these three suspects and you know it’s just sad that this court date comes up on November 1st and it will be a sad day if they are all dismissed.

MK – Dave I know you believe they had something to do with Natalee’s disappearance.  What do you think happened?

DH – You know there are a lot of different theories out there Megyn you know I just really don’t know because I don’t have all the investigative material that the police have.  There are a lot of theories that these three suspects are directly involved and you know of course there is some other theories out there and I would be remised to give that out.

MK – Well hopefully time will tell Dave.  Thank you so much.  We’re praying you get some answers.

You got Crickets? :oops:

San - THANK YOU!

Oops sorry klaas I just saw this.

If you weren't transcribing it I was going to "steal" Heli's.. :lol:   Yours is much better than hers though.

Edited to add - yours is far more verbatim and complete..ha ha ha  :lol:

Well, geese folks, it's obvious why the judge is asking the DA to fish or cut bait, it comes from the PVDS suit for damages and was asked for earlier this summer.

DA had to do something to clear JVDS so the entire VDS clan could get damages because that's how PVDS filed the suit, not just for himself.

So PAULUS was not in Holland with Anita.  WHY did someone make a point of making us think that he was?  Why was that important?

I don't believe a word David Koch says.  He is a paid mouthpiece for the suspects. He told us just this past spring that the boys would be charged and coming to trial this summer.  Oooh, I wonder if this was what he was talking about then.  More or less "poop or get off the pot".

Evening folks,
Finally caught up reading to much to comment about
But I did leave you a funny in the lounge on illigal immigration

So we wouldn't connect him & his dirty old men's club pals

That's what I was going to say.

Exactly.  There has to be a reason why we were lead to believe he was out of town with Anita while the MB kids were in Aruba.

I was hoping somebody would find record of Joran stating that he picked up Paulus at the airport, etc. as I am almost certain we hared that from a source of either Joran or Julia, one of the Sloot team.

Has to be to distance Paulus from such activities.  Wonder what went on the other nights Anita was away?

If all were lead to believe he wa in Holland then how could he possibly be on that rock? Always smoke & mirrors from that rock. IMO

Anna, it was very early on and it was posted by someone in Aruba in one of the blogs or forums.  It might have originated either here or at RWV.

Well, I know for sure it was discussed at RWV, but I still maintain it was one of the first explanations by JVDS in the Greta interview.

Yes, but he were told he was in town on that Sunday/Monday when she disappeared. We were told he went to the poker tourny with Joran.  Then we saw the casino shots.  Why was it important to cover Paulus's butt prior to the tournament?

ARUBA, the Scum of the Earth

had no idea this was going to affect their paradise from hell island in the manner it has. some think the country and tourism is just fine, HA
what a load of BS that is.

but because they didnt realize it was going to be as bad as it is

they just kept going down and down and down and down

too far down the road to turn back, but they are so stupid they will drag the whole country down with them

aruba is not only EVIL but stupid as well

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Ah, Klaas,
I keep forgetting about the "decoys" too!

I have wondered if Paulus is also in charge of visas in any way.  Like the 400 illegal ones issued by Rudy Croes for the "exotic Dancers" as that might well be something the NL would frown upon in conferring on him the title of judge with such a thing in his record.

Wonder how much they charged for those in addition to the legal amount?  At $1000 apiece, well, we can all do the math.  And once in the system, it is likely Holland that would or could end up paying the bills on lots of these just as with illegals in this country.  Has to annoy the NL since Aruba rufuses to give an accounting of their funds, even those given by the NL to them.

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I think there has been only one reason for all the lies from the suspects, witnesses, Aruban spokespeople, & the darkside bloggers. To confuse the story so no one person can be found guity beyond a shadow of a doubt.

paulus is nothing but walking -talking -STALKING  LOAD of BS


paulus is a SWEAT MACHINE

its called NERVOUS from GUILT

 8)

i think the reason they have all the cash is because they STEAL it

they steal it at the poker tables

they use hand signals with dealers and their CRONIES at the tables

when you cheat at a poker table it is called STEALING in my book

Me too.

Thank you for the transcript San, off to bed with me, everyone rest well!

Deepak did report a tourist complaining that Joran was cheating the night the Alabama Delegation arrived.  I have wondered about that and about Guido being involved in some sort of scheme.

Why doesn't the NL just dump Aruba as one of their protectorates or whatever they call the Netherlands Antilles?  It seems Aruba is just shaming them and draining money from them.  I doubt if Aruba ever gave them one dime of the profits from tourism. Or perhaps tt's a symbiotic relationship and the NL needs them to tranship their drugs in & out, and launder their dirty money too.

What bothers me the most about Aruba's judicial system is that it is based on the one in the NL's which is also the basis of the world court.  Look at what happened in the Milosevic trial where they dragged their feet so long, the defendent died in prison.  But yet, they are trying to expedite this case for the vd Sloots.

None and Car are right. It is literally a weary experience nearly every day in this household to set limits, and provide appropriate consequences when those limits are not adhered to by Justin. It would be easy to give in!  And God knows that there are times that I want to do so. I would be remiss as a parent should I take that route. I love my son too much to do that to him. He would suffer as an adult should I not do my job now. My youngest sister, the "baby" of our family, went through hell as a young adult from our father's permissiveness and our mother just being worn out by the time the fifth one hit adolesence. My sister found that the rest of the world expected far more of her than our parents did. She railed against those expectations for several years. Luckily, something must have been built into her foundation, as she finally saw the light and has been a responsible adult for a long while now.

Yes, but back in the beginning we were told he had just arrived back in Aruba around 4:40 or 5pm on May 29th.

LET me do a little TRANSLATING
 8)


To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday
May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not
go to school that day.


"um,,,,errr.. ahhh....errrr  if i say he did not go to school that day it will look very bad for FRANKENJORAN if i say he did not go to school SO i will say that i cant remember much of anything"
 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Just checked the Greta interview and he doesn't mention his dad, only lhis mom being in Holland.

YEP, dont try it in vegas

but in ARUBA when the whole casino is in on it against a bunch of Teenage tourists...

its like SHOOTING FISH in a BARREL

Well, now just because PVDS statement says he stayed in aruba dosen't necessarily make it so.

Ok, guess my memory fails me, sure thought I saw it there.

I ate a cricket yeaterday. Crunchy.

I think Paulus's sweating is why Aruba is flooding.  It's not rain, it's sweat.

"yesterday"
Chirp.

Nite San!

Geese it sure runs through my mind seeing JVDS explaining how he and pop got together before doing the casino run.

Sure thought JVDS said he met Dad at the airport without actually saying he drove to get him.

Maybe some other interview.

Isn't that what I wrote? That he was in Aruba for the tourny and the disappearance and asked why it was important to cover his butt prior to the tourny?

I do remember thinking that Paulus returned from the NL on the Sunday at 4 pm. That was a long time ago that I read  /  heard that. I did look thru the Shizaru timeline and it isn't there.
So, it is not just me / or you that was under that impression.
Someone will know where they saw it. that World Jounier person has quite a bit of stuff.

Red and/or Klaas,

Thank you for posting the video of Beth today w/ Dr. Schuler (sp?). What a sweet yet strong lady.

Could this have been when Paulus made his trip to Fl?

http://tinyurl.com/vvsgm

Author: Colleen (---.pitt.east.verizon.net)
Date:   07-03-05 22:29

Just got back from my first time in Aruba with my parents...it was amazing. We stayed at the Marriott which was fabulous. Although the media coverage for the Natalee Holloway story stayed there too along with Geraldo Rivera and Gretta Van Susteran. Natalee's mother was in our hotel a lot we actually saw her in the elevator and on the way to the airport we had an encounter with Paulus Van Der sloot. Whoever is going there in the upcoming weeks just keep your eyes open you will never know who you are going to see!

World Journer has it as a ?, as a rumor?

Sunfreak,
The World Court is NOT based on Dutch law at all.  That is merely the location of the physical proceedings of the court the way the United Nations is in our country but we do not control it.

The World Court operates under International Laws and Treaties and those are established as a part of the UN and other international organizations.

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Information on The World Court:

http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/igeneralinformation/icjgnnot.html

Fortunately, it does not reflect the laws of any one country but rather international laws designated by the UN and various Treaties, etcf. Even the judges are from different countries and not the NL.  Has nothing to do with Dutch law.

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http://rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-67.html
07-09-2005, 01:10 AM
I do not know the source of this timeline but here it is:

This is extremely long but someone did a very detailed timeline about Natalee's disappearance.

TIMELINE #5

Tuesday, May 24
.......................Natalee Holloway graduates *** laude (top 10%) #25 of 300 seniors from Mountain Brook HS
.......................Natalee & 5 MBHS friends put on matching silver wishbone necklaces as sign of their friendship

Wednesday, May 25
.......................Natalee’s cellphone is changed to international calling for trip to Aruba
.......................Phone set up to call US numbers from Aruba, but can’t call locally in Aruba when she’s there

Thursday, May 26
4:00 am?........Natalee, 123 MB kids from several schools & 7 chaperones meet for ride to airport
.......................Natalee takes NO credit card to Aruba, according to her mother Beth Twitty
???..................Natalee & MB group arrive in Aruba/check in at Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort.
.......................Hotel package all inclusive. Price includes room plus all meals and all drinks
.......................Natalee changes rooms once, ending up with 3 friends in room 7114 on ground floor
8:00 pm..........Soul Beach Festival casino party & after party @ Royal Cabana Casino
??? pm............Some MBHS students see Joran van der Sloot in Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino
.......................Joran gets into fight at casino with Natalee’s cousin Thomas Twitty, a football player

Friday, May 27
3:00 am.........Soul Beach after party ends
am-pm...........MBHS group go on all-day snorkling trip
???pm............MBHS Bryan Reynolds breaks up fight between Joran & MBHS kids @ Carlos’nCharlies’
7:00 pm.........Soul Beach Music Festival Night 1 at Entertainment Center
11:00 pm.......Soul Beach Festival Night 1 ends/After Party begins @ Havana Night Club

Saturday, May 28
4:00 am.........Soul Beach After Party ends
7:00 pm.........Soul Beach Music Festival Night 2 @ Havana Club Ampitheater
?? pm.............?Joran at Holiday Inn Casino gambling?
11:00 pm........Soul Beach Night 2 ends/after party begins @ Havana Night Club

Sunday, May 29
4:00 am.........Soul Beach after party ends
9:00 am.........Soul Beach daytime event @ Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
10:00 am.........Natalee, ex-9th-grade-boyfriend Sean McVea & friends go to beach & pool all day, per NBC
3:00 pm.........Soul Beach daytime event ends
4:00 pm?........Joran, MB kids & Natalee’s cousin Thomas Twitty in poker tournament at Holiday Inn Casino
5:00 pm.........Paulus van der Sloot returns to Aruba from Holland
7:00 pm.........Soul Beach Festival Night 3 @ Havana Club Ampitheater/some MBHS attend?
8:00 pm?.......Natalee, in hotel room shared with 3 MB girls, packs luggage for Monday return to B’ham
........................Leaves cellphone, camera, purse & most of her money in room. Takes drivers license with her
8:30 pm.........Natalee & friends have dinner in Holiday Inn restaurant
8:30 pm?.......Joran finishes poker tournament & continues to gamble at Holiday Inn Casino with father Paul
9:30 pm.........Natalee & friends go to Holiday Inn Casino where Natalee meets Joran for first time
9:30 pm.........Friends see Joran & Natalee talking in casino
??? pm.........email says Deepak gets call from Joran to pick him up at home after gets off work
10:00 pm.........email says Deepak off work at Cyberzone Internet Cafe
........................sign on Cyberzone cafe door says closed @ 10 pm on Sundays (open till 11 pm M-Sat)
........................Satish driving Deepak’s car picks up his brother at Cyberzone & they go home to change
11:00 pm.........Natalee, 39 MBHS students & 2 chaperones go to Carlos’nCharlie’s
11:00 pm.........Soul beach festival ends (NO After Party this night)
11:00 pm.........Paul later tells police he picked up Joran at McDonalds near Holiday Inn to give him ride home
11:45 pm?.......Deepak & Satish Kalpoe pick up Joran at his house(??) & go to Carlos’nCharlies’

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I am thinking that also.

Maybe it is to prevent anyone from trying to find Paulus in things like the Casino vids for the other six nights?

What we know by my timeline post above is that the false rumor that Paulus had just arrived back in Aruba had already spread by July 9, 2005.

I KNEW I needed to read PVDS statement. There is a lot of new stuff there.

I find it telling, and almost incontrovertible, that Joran WAS NOT IN SCHOOL ON MONDAY. I don't see how we can get anything else from that statement but that Joran MISSED that day. The headmaster was wrong about days and dates. Simple.

And THAT fact, says a great deal. There was a LOT of time to clean up any number of messes.

I also find the fact that Joran "won" $$$ and had his father deposit it VERY suspicious. 2 words: Money Laundering.

Joran came up with $$$ he couldn't account for, on Sunday night/Monday morning. Who says he won it? Is it a PAYOFF of some kind from someone outside?

Dad gave it "legitimacy" by depositing it himself.

Your thoughts?

Yellow Ribbon - I doubt that it's accurate at all.  It's a compilation of articles and internet rumors.  I was just trying to find when the rumor of Paulus was started.  I'd love to see who originally posted the rumor as well.

Sorry to pull you off topic. That error in the timeline was just one of those things that stood out to me.

There were rumors at one time that a few kids from Georgia might have gotten in on the tour. Maybe from some small school that wanted to do an Senior Aruba trip, and being at the same time, they were probably put on the same plane.

I recall someone posting on unRiehl back then that they had some apocryphal info about the MB group that came from a niece who was on the plane with them and associated with them down there. If I recall it started a FIRESTORM because it made it sound like the MB kids conducted a nonstop Saturnalia of wild debauchery for 4 days. Really made them look bad. That person got booted off the site eventually. I always thought the info that person put out was the beginning of unRiehl's Descent into Darkness on this case.

No problem!  :wink:

Back in the very beginning of the case there was alot of bad information.  This time line someone attempted to put together on July 9th, 2005..that's very early in the case.

Your right Anna. I defer to you on this issue.  However I would like to add that I knew the world court law itself was based on International Laws, but I thought the framework of how the Word Court works was based more on the Dutch system than our system.

I'm going to bed.  I'm not making myself clear tonight.  I don't want to confuse the issues or make anyone aggravated with me.

Goodnight everyone.  Pleasant dreams to all except those guilty of crimes against Natalee.

Heh, heh, just caught myself wondering if RWV still existed, too lazy to go check myself.

Anyone remember that there was a 'refugees' site from RWV back in the early days, some lady got on the wrong side of Dan and went and started her own forum. Is that forum still around or did it become part of one of the other sites we discuss?

It's sad how early that seems now. Back then July 9th was about 6 weeks into the case and almost a month after the networks mistakenly announced that Natalee had been found dead. Considering that Beth and her friends had fingered Joran, etc. within hours, 6 weeks seemed like an eternity.

This reporter on Fox's The Lineup can't pronounce Meridian, MS.

When July 1st came, it seemed like this case had already dragged on forever. If we had known...

I have saved the 1st page of the 1st thread in this Forum, from June 11th, 2005.  The #3 post on that page, someone said, "It's about time we had answers, this has dragged on too long". Wow. And we are here...

Yeah, but all them FOX gals are real Babes aren't they?

And with that I think I will bid all you goodnight. Good seeing everyone in here tonight... been a little empty lately.

I know that's how I felt on June 11th.

How many blondes does it take to pronounce Meridian?   How many more does it take to spell Mississippi?  :)

PVDS 5:00 pm Airport Pickup on 5/29/05

Are greta interviews available for posting?

Didn't jvds mention this?

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Ah, do old guys like me, 'really' care?

Greta interview with Joran is posted at Scrux.  I just read through it and couldn't find any reference to Paulus being in Holland.

Edited to add:  It's posted here as well:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=56

Sorry if I misunderstand but there is nothing uniquely Dutch and even the language used by the court would be English and French the languages of Business/Diplomacy instead of Dutch.  It operates fully under United nations protocol which is not much better than Aruban IMO, lol.

But the Dutch are only the Landlords of the building just as we are of the UN building.  And I suppose many Dutch are employed there as support personnel but they have no more say about anything than any other member nation.  It is not a part of their national court system and is totally independent.  While it does seem to drag its feet on everything, this is one we can't blame on the Dutch but rather the UN who basically runs the thing.

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It is 300.00 $$$$$$ that he won . ??/
Money laundering ? No one launders these palltry amounts.

Yep, nothing in there about airport pickup, I am mystified.

They can't just " dump" Aruba.
They have an agreement where Aruba will obtain its full independence from Holland in the future.

Good night, all. I've stayed up way too late! Pity my clients tomorrow, as I'm an air head on the best of days...

BTW, isn't Natalee lovely?

Maybe it was in one of the Paulus interviews. There was a great discussion about Paulus coming home from NL and the first thing he does is go to a casino with Joran, just b/c it was a " free tournamant " and he wants to check it out.

Yes, she is...

Goodnight!

Hi, All....
Have not been able to read much the past couple of weeks, and am having a real hard time catching up!  But I am here for Natalee's family, especially since her birthday has come and gone again.  I keep hoping for some good news, and am trying to remain positive.  I know I can count on the Monkeys to keep me posted.

Back to reading and catching up....

Well, I can't find it.  I'd rather take a beating than go in those RWV archives but I may suit up tomorrow and give it a shot.

But I could swear I recall Joran saying that to Greta about meeting his father at the airport.  Did she interview Joran at other times?  My eyes are crossing for tonight.  And it is cold here with first expected freeze tomorrow night.   :shock:

Goodnight all.

Nope, Greta only did one interview, right after the rush deal on the NY interview, was that the cuomo interview?

Think we all saw a couple more interviews but don't remember them all.

Almost wish we could do a google search on 'JVDS picks up dad' or 'Paulus arrives home from Holland'.

Already tried that  :lol:

Hi Lexie - nothing really new to report really.  A new statement and Beth was on Hour with Power.  You can catch up by ready the front page of SM.  Would be faster than trying to read all the way through the thread.

Have finally caught up...and what a GREAT interview.  I remember VERY early in the case, a poster on RWV talking about her feeling that Natalee was involved in a great battle between good and evil.  After hearing that interview, maybe she was not too far off.  One thing that is very apparent when you look at Beth Twitty is the light in her eyes.  The Bible talks about the early followers of Christ "having his face in their countenance."  Maybe that is what we are seeing in Beth.  After all these months of disappointments and frustration, it would be nice to see Beth and Dave finally get some answers.

Have been doing a lot of volunteer work at g'son's school.  Last week we had a scare... two schools  (grades K-4) went into lockdown because there was a person threatenting suicide within blocks of the two schools.  She had a gun, and was driving in the area between the two.  Police finally followed her home and took her in for help... Was scary for all the adults (and the parents who had heard rumors) but the kids were never in any real danger.  I did learn a lot about the schools' emergency plans.  

Got to get some sleep, its after 1 a.m. here.  

Thanks, Klaas, for keeping me posted.  I will try not to get so far behind on reading from now on.  :lol:

So the Beth and gang show up late Monday night and they have the confrontation at Sloot residence.  So at this time there is no doubt that Paulus knows his son was last seen with Natalee.  By Tuesday - pretty much whole island knows that Natalee was missing and i'm sure pretty much everyone knew Joran was last to see her.

And Paulus figures this would be a good time to get a little gardening done?  Pretty strange for sure.

I also agree with the person who said it doesnt appear to be a very well kept yard/garden from all of the picture we have seen.

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Translator:
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I took me hours to catch on the conversation!  I have to agree with Tylergal and Anna on many points.  I think Paul realized he was a failure in a country of inferior people.  He was seething inside.  He was a middle-aged, unhappily married man who looked with envy at his son Joran and allowed him to have a bachelor apt to watch the parade of oung "chicas" come and go.  He watched porn, drank and lived a life of quiet desperation.  Anita went  ( or was sent ) away for a week and Paul had one week-end to go wild.

Alana Jordan/Ed Kissel Interview on Bill O'Reilly:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159764,00.html

I have made some edits and additions to the Croes/Joran conversation portion of the TL, which I've posted below.  A few interesting things I noticed:

Paulus contrdicts Croes about whether Joran told Natalee he was the girl whose money he won back

Paulus contrdicts Croes about what sort of sexual activity Joran initially described with Natalee

Paulus corroborates Croes' claim to Greta that Joran told him he danced with Natalee. That now makes 4 people (Satish, Kissel, Croes, and Paulus) who say they either saw Joran dancing with Natalee or heard Joran say he danced with her, altho Joran now claims he refused to dance with her

From, the Natalee Timeline website:

Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT’s plane lands in ARUBA after a layover in Curacao after he was, supposedly, on a HOLLAND trip. Here is the published schedule for Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT’s flight:

Depart:............. 12:40 pm Amsterdam, Holland
Arrive:.............. 10:40 pm
Carrier/Flight:.... KLM flight # 0785 / 9H 2964
Equip:............... 747/AT4
Freq:................. Sunday
Stop/Connect:.... A57/Curacao 4:20 PM
Trip Time:......... 16:00 hours

Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT’s “judge-in-training” had already been revoked, and he was so notified a week or so before NATALEE disappeared

Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT was never a full judge.

Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT failed his first judgeship exam, and was notified of his failure by DUTCH judicial authorities, and possible island expulsion in the future

(His wife, apparently, either still thinks he is a judge-in-training because Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT never told her he was fired--and therefore Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT had also been lying to his wife--

Or,

She is also deliberately lying, and just wants everyone to think he still is a judge--because in almost every one of her post-May 30, 2005 interviews, she refers to him as a “judge” As late as at least June 29, 2005 Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT was also constantly referring to himself as a “judge“)

????Did Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT pick up Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT at the ARUBA airport sometime after the 4:40 PM scheduled arrival time????

????If Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT pick up Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, did the two of them go directly to the “Excelsior Casino” since Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT later claimed he saw some Mountain Brook high school graduates drinking in the “Excelsior Casino”????

????Since Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT claimed he knew the classmates he saw in the “Excelsior Casino” at 5:00 PM were from “Mountain Brook high school,” when, precisely, was the first time BEFORE 4:40 PM that Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT met/interacted with the classmates and lied to them that he was a foreign exchange student and tourist on vacation who was also staying at the “Holiday Inn”????

 

__:__ PM (?) = Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT plane taxi‘s from the airport landing strip to its airport terminal gate, then parks.

 

__:__ PM (?) = Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT exits his plane.

 

__:__ PM (?) = If Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT had non-carry-on baggage he goes to the baggage area and retrieves his baggage.

 

__:__ PM (?) = Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT leaves the airport terminal and walks outside the airport terminal to either be met by Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, or a friend, or, hail a taxi.

 

__:__ PM (?) = Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT is met by Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT or a friend at the airport, or, Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT takes a taxi to the “Excelsior” casino, or Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT takes a taxi to his home.

 

__:__ PM (?) = Former Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT and Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT each make their way via a vehicle to the “Excelsior“ casino, either together, or separately, and arrive there.

 

4:00 PM = Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (age 17) enters the “Excelsior” casino with or separately from Current Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT. They enter a “Texas Hold’em” poker tournament. NATALEE’s step-cousin, THOMAS TWITTY, enters the same tournament and plays at the same table as the Suspects SLOOT’s

4:30 PM = On 6-20 ANDRE MONTIVAL AOKI DOS SANTOS (a.k.a. “Dre”) stated to the ARUBAN Police:

<QUOTE>

On your question if I on Sunday, May 29 2005, met Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold'm poker Tournament". Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "black-Jack" and I continued play poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the black-jack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students who were on holiday in Aruba talking. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play black-jack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with black-jack because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group girls who were playing black-Jack with Joran walk by and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening hours because they would like to meet him there. Joran answered for them not to worry, he would go. On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys” and we all got into my fathers pick up and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pick-up of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in the hamlet Noord. I don’t know their address but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife at their home my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home. I studied first and afterwards slept because I had a "physics" examination to take on Monday, May 30, 2005, from 07.30 till 10.00. I do recall that Joran asked me if I wanted to accompany him to Carlos & Charlies but I answered him that I could not go because I had an examination the next day.


<END QUOTE>

Looks like there is a "war" between Holland and Aruba concerning the financial mess Aruba is in with mounting debts, etc.

See that focus was still on when we heard Joran picked up his father at the airport on 5/29/05:  I could also swear I recall Anita  on TV, perhaps from Holland or immediately upon her return saying 'we were at a family function in Holland'...can't find it though.  Found this interview, however:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Partial quote:

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

geeeeesh

thats a shame  :twisted:

Blah,
Thanks for bringing that over and posting.  So much detail!  I only wish he had given a source for that and am sure he does, too, now.  Was this just another "decoy" thrown at us?  Hard to believe with all that detail and yet now it appears Paulus was home all along???

I don't get it.  Why were we told this in the first place?  What purpose did it serve?  Maybe prevent anyone from looking at Paulus activities all week?  Had he in fact been lurking around the HI pretending to be a tourist just like his son?

Did we just wrongly assume he was along because Anita said "WE" were attending a family function in the NL?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

geeeesh anita, did you notice anything about the incessant TELLING of LIES, stealing, drinking by the barrel, sneaking out at night, killing dogs

huh ??

did ya ??

huh ???

how about that, any of that catch your EYE ??


what a load of BS  8)

Yep, Anita is alert all right.... :twisted:

yep, anita is on the ball

"anita" = "i need a"


 pair of glasses

 8)

all of it..yes w/ a straight face too..just like she taught joran

Hey FOM...I was thinking about you the other day... how are you??

i think anita should give up teaching


if she ddint see issues with her own son.....ummmmm...errrrrrrrr..

ahhhhhhhh...maybe she should get a new career


i can see her in the bra modeling business

 :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:


OMG..im busting over here :twisted:

SWEETIE!!!!!!

i was in a breakfast place the other day...thinking of you..and changing seats w/ my mom...LOLOLOL

Robots...

LMAO

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I"M GONNA LOSE MY COOKIES ON THAT THOUGHT! :shock:  :?

You didn't give her a happy meal did you??? :shock:

 8)

 :twisted:

no...lol...still did tellthe tale over breakfast.....she was like "WTF???"|
and she was glad i was only out sum shampoo and wine

and that it did not go any further u know?

It is so true FOM... so true... somethings are better left at McDonalds...

Satish Kalpoe was probably only a few months older than Joran.  Notice how Anita points out that her young sporter is a Kid and Satish is a man.  Joran was about two months shy of his 18th Birthday already drinking, gambling, drugging and smoking like a man.  What is the difference between Satish and Joran?  To me there is no difference they were both in high school and already criminals.

yes

on ignore u know?

 :lol:  :lol:

Yes, I saw that, but only highlighted the part about her getting back.....I believe they admitted that Joran was friends with both Kalpoes, and in doing so, admitted they let their 'kid' run about town with 'men', so that little detail doesn't mean that much, imo.  Notice how she went from one kid, two men to 'boys' in the next sentence...

Well I think she uses the term boy or "delicious sporter" to show her child is just that a child...

notice one stinky island refers to Natalee consistently as a young woman....

so a woman and children.....

semantics... and they suck!!

My question is why did Paulus make a trip to the bank twice that day.  Did he go in the morning to give orders on what should be done to his account and then go at the end of the day to make sure everything was OK and they did what he told them to do.

Or was a large amount of money that he either withdrew from his account or he made a deposit for a payment to him for something.

Did he want a large amount of cash to pay off someone and he said to the bank have it ready I will pick it up later.

NEW ARUBA TOURISM AD


WELCOME TO ARUBA
BEND OVER
KY COMPLIMENTS OF THE ALE
JUDICIAL SYSTEM
AND TOURISM ADVOCATES

FROM PAULUS 6/23/05 STATEMENT:

There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work. I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.

Notice how Paulus specifically mentions which bank he went to.  When I go to the bank and I usually tell someone I just say I have to stop at the bank.  Paulus makes it a point to specifically mention which bank.

I bet this isn't even the bank Paulus went to.

then throw in a little papiamento just to confuse it a bit more u know?

see u monkeys later

BBL...Keep the faith Monkeys...

Next statement also seems contradictory:

To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping
or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank.
At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the
money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in
the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately
500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he
had taken over my place in the tournament. [/b]

Paulus is stating he deposited $ Joran 'said' he won on 5/29/05, which was approx. 500 Aruban guilders....then he says Joran gave him 100 guilders...which is it 500 or 100?  

He can't remember if it was the only stop, but he mentions talking to Ruth Dijkhoff, which he had no problem remembering, and it's another detail like mentioning what bank that just doesn't fit the question...

Exactly.  It's like he is writing the script as he goes.

Not sure if it is this interview or another one but at some point Greta asked Anita if Joran ever does drugs, drinks. . . . and this was Anita's reply.  It specifically included DRINKING and Anita denied that her Delicious Sporter who gives her THICK KISSES does either.

I have gone back and checked this a dozen times to be sure the question included DRINKING because I could not believe even Anita the Bra would lie so brazenly.

She did.

 :evil:

Hi, FOM,

This is for you!

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/th650.gif)

LOL!

Another trick Greta used was the two part interveiw.  She would air it in two parts and now sometimes only one part is available in the transcripts.

If these were not taken from originals, I could swear she had Dan Rhieled the Sporter interview cause so many of us thought that was where Joran said he picked Paulus up at the airport.

We all got that idea somewhere, so let's just keep an eye out for it and hope we eventually get ot the bottom of that one.

I tend to think the first trip to the bank included running Sporter by the school or picking him up from there because he was still drunk and babbling about Natalee hitting her head.

You are both right, Paulus sure can't add!  He makes no mention of where the rest of the money came from and ALE conveniently never asks any kind of follow up especially from Paulus who was the boss of them to a certain degree through his pal Rudy Croes.

Why would over a dozen adults have taken off in search of one kid?  We don't do it that way around here even if it is something as simple as hand me the remote control to the TV.  If any steps are taken, they are taken by the underling and that would be the kid.  And it was a school night and Joran should have been in bed anyway and yet they all leave in search of him.  What did he and Deepak put in the car while Paulus had the Alabama Delegation away from the house?  Is that why they were leaning on the car, to protect the contents in the event any of them got the idea to search?

Why did they not call Satish to participate in the conversation as well?  After all, he was along, right?  Why did the cops not go retrieve him as well?

I guess the answer to all that would be Paulus wouldn't let us as KJ is so fond of saying.

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Front Page post:

All is not Well in Paradise, Now Aruba upset with The Netherlands: “The relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba is currently so bad …”

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/10/23/all-is-not-well-in-paradise-now-aruba-upset-with-the-netherlands-the-relationship-between-the-netherlands-and-aruba-is-currently-so-bad/


But according to Oduber, Aruba has lost confidence in the Netherlands, now that this country has made the island’s financial loans conditional.  It is so, that Aruba can no longer take out loans just like that.

So then it should come as no surprise to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber or any other Aruban officials why the United States tourism community has lost confidence in Aruba. Turn about is fair play Mr. Oduber.

It is blatantly obvious that Paulus' has selective memory. This is a very long statement and he in most parts claims " I cannot remember exactly ...It is possible but I cannot remember, I cannot remember but I think... I at least cannot
remember,  I cannot exactly remember ... I
cannot exactly remember anymore. (LMAO) His own words....THEN when he starts in re: Natalee's part of the interview, he seems to ramble on like he remembers everything.....every detail. This is very telling'...and in my opinion suggests malice. How on earth can anyone read this and not see malice, in some form>??

Good point, Anna, because last night I could only find one and believe it was part 2.  Will have to keep looking.

Also, it's exasperating to read the statements and see what is recalled and what is not.  Could be deemed as selective memory....but, I believe Joran made some comment about his father's memory or ability to stick to details....do you remember something like that?

ANITA the bra  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

joran did say that, you are correct

Florins VS Guilders VS Dollars


PVDS Statement:  "...At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the tournament..."

Dutch Currency = Guilder.  Subsumed as part of transfer to Euro based system.  Last avail exchange rate I can find is 1 Guilder = 0.57 US Dollars.

Aruban Local Currency = Florin (AWG).  Sometimes called a "guilder".  Current exchange rate is 1 Florin = 0.57 US Dollars.

Almost exactly the same "value" here.  500 "guilder" deposit is approximately $285 in US equivalent currency.

Now where does this money come from, per pvds?  He says that jvds gave him 500 guilders, joran's "winnings" from poker.  AND, that joran also gave Paulus 100 guilders because of the claimed seat switch at tournament.

1.  So, did pvds deposit this money into joran's account at bank?  Or his own, Or the family account?

2.  Based on 500 guilder deposit, less the 100 guilder already given to pvds by joran, do we assume therefore that poker winning totalled 400 guilders or approx $228?

3.  How do you think the casinos pay out winnings?  In hard currency, or local currency?  I would guess the hotel has a foreign exchange window, yes?

4.  Why drive to Noord (from his office, I suppose in Orangstead) to make a measly deposit like this?

5.  While we have never confirmed any WITHDRAWALS 5/29 - 5/30, here we have two attempts at DEPOSITS, and for a relatively small amount of money (hell, the sneakers jvds wears cost $100).  

I have never heard any commentary on WHAT KIND of currency Natalee was carrying when she went to C&C's on 5/29, and have always guessed and have heard others speculate that she likely had about $50 - $75 US dollars on her person.

So, if you're Paulus, what do you do with a dead girl's money?


Do you take her cash, go to a store, transfer the US currency into local coin, grab a bunch of guilders, put it all together, and make a deposit at the family bank?  Or do you burn it?  Or do you flush it down the toilet?  Well, I think you do what you are comfortable doing, and in Paulus' case, that's moving money around.

Long ago I indicated that the $100 (or possibly $50) Natalee was given by Beth prior to trip was likely traceable because she gave Natalee bank issued wrapped money (single US dollars for tips) that were NEW.  And new bills are issued in serial format.

I think Paulus is washing Natalee's money here, and that's WHY he HAD TO GET TO THE BANK on Monday May 30.

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Aruba is no longer called ARUBA

simply refer to it as TOILET  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Amanda PORTOCARRERO (maid) 7/28/2005 Statement:

born at Narino in Columbia on August 5,1976, of profession living maid (servant) and living Monserat xxxxxxxxx on Aruba. The woman A.Y.GRUESO PORTOCARRERO aforementioned explained:

- that she knows nothing of an illegal Colombian maid (servant) working at the VDS house.

- that nobody told her that a maid said that she saw, in the early morning hours of Monday, May 30, 2005 clothing of Joran Van Der Sloot’s with white sand on/under them. [/list]

MARGARITHA WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF (MAID) 08/11/05 Statement:

I have worked ( 8 ) years at family Van Der Sloot. I work as from Monday up to and including Friday for them. I do not work on Saturday and Sunday at family Van Der Sloot. I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot. With family VDS, I mean the parents of the detained man "Joran Van Der Sloot". (meaning the suspect "Joran Van Der Sloot"; observation JACOBS).

On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following:
 
I work on Monday from

08.00 till 12.00.
I work on Tuesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Wednesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Thursday from 13.30 till 15.30
and I work on Friday from 13.30 till 17.30 at family Van Der Sloot
As you can see I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot with exception of Thursday because then I work only two (2) hours. [/list]

This maids hours are different only on that Monday Morning.  Joran and Paulus were home.  Was she helping them clean the mess that Joran made.  Was there a different maid there helping?  I think this mail is one fat liar just like her employer.

I think that Amanda PORTOCARRERO is the missing maid.  They are trying to say she is the woman who heard another maid say she saw sand under Joran's clothes.  This is the actual missing maid.  JMO.

Oh......I also wanted to mention that as I surfed channels on TV over the weekend, that court TV and the Oxygen channel were promoting Aruba as a vacation destination. If this has been discussed here and I missed it.....sorry...I have to mention it. They are promoting Aruba.com in the commercials, big time. Makes me sick.

Hi All-

As for Anita just think back to the video of her heading to LaGuardia to protect the sporter post him being served by Bo Dietl, that raging mad momma scene proved to me that she was never a victim nor a martyr in this - she would go for the jugular of anyone who dared to touch her delicious boy. Do any of you ever wonder what indiscretions she may have held over Paulus' head to ensure he did break all the rules to protect delicious son? I have....she also is quite the elitist. Her posted profile at the International School was very telling also, few teachers would have the nerve to state they want to be a "spiritual leader" with no credentials as she did. They may be more esoteric and new age, but that's still a fair amount of ego display on her part.

As for oxygen and CTV running ads, I write my emails of protest consistently with no responses back, but I also SMILE to think of the cost of that TV air time to Aruba and the ATA. It ain't cheap and so I hope it's hurting their pocketbooks !

O/T I found this and wanted to post it for Terry........sort of looks like him to me  :lol:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/skydive.gif)

I was reading over old transcripts of Greta's interview with Joran and I came across this:

This is something that shouldn’t be done through the media this is something that you know I have always said and

I’ve said it to ABC too but they never put it in their piece that if Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway said Joran I want to come to Holland to talk to you I mean I would invite them into my house and answer any questions they would have I mean I would understand if they were mad at me I could understand if they hate me, they despise me I understanding that all.[/list]

Liar.

Just stopping by for a quickie post...(don't get any ideas Carnut).  

Bondia is the person that hammered home the idea that PVDS was gone the week before to Curacao.  I remember the conversation I had with her about it, although I think it was on PM's at the time.  So maybe in real life there is a transcript of Julia making the statement.  I also remember Marrianne Croes on television speaking of his being on Curacao. Or wait, was it Tito?  We need our archives.  :roll:

I had to change back to my original avatar for you!

It reminds me of the movie Rear Window ( with James Stewart & Grace Kelly ) where the man who murdered his wife in the apartment across the way, buried her body in the garden....under the shrubs.

Absolutely..and Paulus doesn't strike me as having a green thumb or a garden...and from what we've been able to see of the Sloot Compound, where on earth is a garden ??? It looks like it's pretty arid and dusty.

Paulus does have a habit of hiding in the bushes.  He was hiding when Beth and Greta arrived at his home.  He wasn't gardening he was keeping an eye out and hiding in those same bushes to see if anyone came looking for Joran that day.

 :lol:  :lol:

Lalas,
I think you may be right about Bon Dia saying Paulus was in the NL until Sunday.  She is for sure the source of the Sporter riding the bus and aceing his exam on Monday.  That last whopper is why Jug was upset with her when she was charging Beth after being on TV telling that whopper and Jug stopped her.  She had just been on TV lying about Joran doing that when the shoving incident allegedly took place.

But I still seem to remember Joran saying it as well.  Maybe it is all running together in my mind after all this time.

BTW, did we ever find out what JORAN.ANGRY! is so .ANGRY! about and is his MySpace still closed?  Anyone know?

.

Paul's description of his banking activities are deceptively ambiguous; did he deposit 100 guilders into his own bank account or 400 guilders into Joran's account or both?   First of all, did Joran actually win 500 guilders?
Secondly; why did a employed man leave his workplace to make a paltry bank deposit on a Monday morning?  If memory serves me - wasn't that the Monday after a long weekend in Aruba?  It seems to me that Rita Dirkjoff and the other cleaning woman were working at the VDS house that day and needed to be paid in cash, so it was more likely that Paul was withdrawing money.  Where I come from, a maid is a full time employee who caters to the lady of the house and is the equivalent of a butler who caters to the gentleman.  Neither a maid or a butler would do any kind of heavy cleaning or laundry.  It sounds a little pompous to refer to a cleaning lady as a maid but it fits with the VDS mindset of embellishing every thing related to themselves.
Paul has proven to be a liar but it is a good, well thought out lie that he was in the vicinity of his home in Noord, on that Monday morning, trying to make a bank transaction but could not, at the very same time his son Joran was absent from school and the Kalpoe brothers were available for ... whatever.   No paper trail to verify this, of course.   No asking Ruth Dirkjoff, who I assume works at the bank, if she could help out an important " judge" who had no time to wait for the riffraff to finish their business.
In another one of his statements, Paul said that he was at work all day and didn't think he went home for lunch, but now the story has changed.
Whatever was happening that morning that kept Joran from school and Paul from work centred around Montanja 19 and most likely Joran's apt.    
The truth is coming out  and it sounds as if Shango and Simian knew what they were talking about.
P.S.  In the PVDS statement - the part about Charles Croes looking into Joran's eyes and knowing ...(then the next page is missing)  I take that to mean a bad thing.  I doubt CC thought Joran was innocent .

I agree Leslie.  Paulus made it look like he was out of the house in the morning.  He never left his house.  They were all at the Van der Sloot residence.  The maid lied with her schedule this way she can verify and say Paulus was not home in the morning.  Every other day she arrived later.

Paulus knows something bad happened in his home and he has to protect the crime scene and make sure everything was clean.  He would never leave the house without Joran.  Paulus knew that Joran was in the house when Beth arrived.  Joran was hiding just like daddy does.  Joran was there with Deepak and Freddy.  JMO.

100 Guilders

pvds statement:  "...At the bank I deposited the money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately 500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he had taken over my place in the tournament..."

So joran pays his own father 100 guilders for his father's seat at the "free" poker tournament.  This is after joran has already blown his chances in tournament and is knocked out.  And of course, young joran has no job from which he would draw an honest day's pay.

BUT, pvds expects joran to "pay him back" for the seat which paulus is vacating because, as he later indicates, he has to go home to attend to the younger brothers, so joran can continue to play and gamble.

HHhhmmm.

The value exchange is not working for me here.

Why would joran have to pay his father back, when it's Paulus' schedule which is causing his departure?  And why would an unemployed son have to pay his father back for something as innocuous as this -- it certainly is not a "loan" or anything like it.

100 guilders = $57 US dollars.

$57 bucks joran "gave to" Paulus.  

How much money do you think Natalee Holloway was carrying when she entered the car of deepak kalope?

$57 bucks seems about right.

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follow the money literally

I think you've hit on it Hammer...

i dont think PAULASS ever attempted to go the bank the first time he says he did


it is a LOAD of BS

thats like people leaving their JOB to go to the bank and after the trouble of leaving the job and going to the bank, getting in the car, driving to the bank getting the deposit ready, you arrive there and instead of waiting 10 minutes for the line to get smaller YOU LEAVE the BANK............

uhhhhhhhhhh  NOPE


what were you REALLY doing SWEAT HOG ?? 8)

Remember we were told that Deepak's car was there earlier in the evening ?  I am thinking they were warned that Beth and group were on the way and quickly Deepak & Joran jumped into his car and drove off....maybe parked behind the property, out of sight...then Paulus takes everyone on that wild goose chase and when they return, Joran & Deepak are back, with Deepak leaning on his car...they were behind the Sloot Compound in the dark all along I bet.

WARNING !!   this is a LIE

you have been warned

DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY at the LIE, it might make you PUKE

HERE is the LIE - you have been warned !!


To your question if I tell you all the things I did on that
Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work.
The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately
08.00 hours. I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went
to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without
having made any transaction and went back to work


so you leave work to go to the bank, you actually LEAVE your job for one thing - TO GO TO THE BANK - and the line is too long so you go back to work.

LIAR LIAR LIAR

where did you go ?

who did you really meet with ?


BANK TRIP is a LOAD

i think paulus goes to too many fast food restaurants

he cant remember where he went for a bite to eat


mcdonalds or wendys

DECOY DECOY DECOY

As you know, Lazlo/Victor from FOB and RU has been emailing and speaking with the De Vries people regarding the upcoming show in the Netherlands.  FOB and RU have been busy sending the De Vries people all of the so called Beth lies, etc.

Lazlo just posted this today:

De Vries team seems to have made up their mind.

J2K, that is my conclusion

Not to long, and the program is not due to air soon, but through the conversation it transpired to me what I mentioned in OP, their cornerpoint (or whatever the correct word is) and therefor further research imo is focus on Joran.

I ment to say, further research is imo focus on how to prove Joran's guilt, not to prove his innocence.

That is not their cornerpoint. IMO

I am sure they are going to put a enough time in this case, but IMO like Hannie said merely to pursue Joran's alleged guilt.
They have a conclusion/opinion and are building up from there, that is the way it goes in general, look at the boards, I have never seen ppl who believe in Joran's innocence try to find proof that makes him look guilty or the other way around; Joran's possible innocence discussed at BFN.

People have an opinion based upon a feeling (or something else) and go from there.


I take this as excellent news!  Keep in mind, the Dutch posters have raved about this guy.

going to the bank was probably just an excuse he gave to his boss for sneaking out of work for a little while.  He realized there would be no record of him going to the bank so he concocted the story that he left because the line was too long.

He didnt goto the bank, he went to help Joran cover-up before Anita got home or before the other boys got home or whatever....

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One more thought on the VDS banking procedures - wouldn't Papa have access to his minor son's banking card and PIN?  I know that, at my bank, all simple transactions can be done at the ATM machines located inside the same building but outside the actual bank and accessable 24 hours a day.   If the money deposit was so important on that Monday morning, why didn't the busy lawyer stop off on his way to work or make a mental note to himself to remember to do it so on the way home  The whole banking story sounds nutty and even the investigating officers didn't seem to believe it.  Paul certainly slept soundly that night for a guy who didn't even put in a full day at work on Monday.  Maybe Paul failed to become a judge because of his chronic leaves of absence for personal banking.  I tend to believe that Paul went to work, said bondia to everyone, shut the door to his office and took off out the back.   He had to create an alibi and then get home to make sure that the "maids" didn't try to enter Joran's private domain.

 :D

Thanks so much for sharing this klaas.

HOPE. What a feeling!

Good afternoon Monkeys. I have been reading, and think I am finally caught up. You have been busy littly monkeys in the cage. :lol:

One thing I read I would like to comment on was about Natalee and the $50
she was given by Beth.

The big hammer wrote;


I remember that $50 still being in the hotel room at the time Greta and Beth went to Natalee's room. I recall Beth saying she had obtained new clean bills for Natalee to use for tipping purposes, but they were found in her room. Is there an additional/different $50. you are speculating she may have been carrying? [/b]

I had the same thought when you mentioned this exchange, earlier.  I thought Joran played for his father until he lost, anyway...so where did these winnings come from?  Or am I mistaken?

Re. the money Natalee had - I remember Beth & Greta (?) in Nat's HI room, and Beth showing that virtually all the money Nat started out with was still there. It was $200 - $300. And I *thought* one of the MB kids said she thought Natalee took $50 with her that night.

Klaas: I don't read the Lazlo/Victor posting about the deVries TV show in the same positive way you do.  It  says to me "I ment to say, further research is imo focus on how to prove Joran's guilt, not to prove his innocence. That is not their cornerpoint. "   and this..."De Vries team seems to have made up their mind. "
It says to me that they have made up their (collective) mind that Joran is not guilty.

We all know the stats on missing persons is astronomically high for the last to be seen with being involved.  I think it is actually close to 80% of the time this is the case.  Please someone with the actual stat correct me for that is a guess from memory.

Add to it the repeated lying, changing of stories, have done this 20 times before and all the rest.

So statistically that would put the probability of Joran being involved and guilty at about what?  I count 110%, lol, never was good at math,  :D

 Nothing I think or ever conclude is based on "emotion" in a situation such as this.  It is insulting and ludicrous for those haters to imply that for that is their basis for hating Beth.  Emotion, much of which they feel is jealousy and inferiority because they know there is no light shining in their own eyes.

And much as I admire and just adore Beth, I would not allow a mother who has been put through what she has been to dictate what I think.  I may be wrong but I believe I speak for many on this if not the majority.  To say we form opinion from emotion just smacks of sheer stupidity and failure to ever read how we come to a conclusion.  We find what we can about it and certainly do not go with just emotion and do not ask Beth what to think as has been suggested.

Now where is that deVries email address.  I think we should tell him about the little boy with the same last name for bet he has never heard of that one and my heart aches for that mother as well.

Dave said he could forgive and if he could, I could.  And they just about spit in his face in response.  That alone tells me there is something to hide.  If I could find a reason, any reason to think Joran innocent, I'd go look at that but where is it?  Somebody show me things that point in that direction because I can't find a single one.

End of Rant

From Joran's 6/9/05 statement:

On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too.[/b]

The statement then goes on to the Black Jack table & meeting the girls, etc.

NO, I don't think so.  You have to read all the comments after.  Lazlo and RU/FOB were sending information to De Vries.  Lazlos spoke by phone to the De Vries people this morning.  Lazlo believes that they think Joran is guilty.

There have been long threads at both RU and FOB regarding sending De Vries the littany of Beth's lies (their words, not mine).

nice rant

you wont find anything pointing to JORAN being innocent

it does not exist unless anita hid it in her bra  8)

Hi there, Bleachedblack!  

Good to see you today.  Yes, it is a different $50 for the girlfriends said they all took that amount, their drivers license and key card and that was about all, no purses.

I tend to think if getting new bills one would get all the money in the new currency or the bank would just give it to  you like that.

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Klaas:  OK!  That's why there is a call to all good RU posters to get their "truth" to the deVries people ASAP.  Let's hope those morons get the proper response to their collective piece of fiction.

Yes but the original deadline was this morning. Lazlo spoke with them this morning.  Sounds like they are going to email stuff anyway because they are fools.  They don't realize how obsurd what they will be sending is.  De Vries is a professional, he will see through it.

he will see it like a GIANT ELEPHANT in the middle of the room
 8)


May 31st Joran Signed Statement

where is it ? :twisted:

whats the difference between the WORLD'S BIGGEST LIAR
and PAULUS ??





nothing, they are one and the same  8)  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Ahhhh. Hope -- again :lol:  :lol:

Anna thank-you for the explaination. I thought I was missing something in my understanding of what was being said.

By-the way Anna on a personal note Bestbuddy sends her regards. She also wants me to tell you that the little white dog in your signature is the absolute cutest thing!

I wonder if the RU will provide the "deVries" people with their video collection of Natalee at the gas station, in the jewelry store and in the hallway of the Holiday Inn?    
Paul was doing so much stalling that morning of May 31, 2005.  Even after he got the entire gang down to the Wyndham and "discovered' Joran was not there and then phoned to find out that his errant son was back at the house due to a misunderstanding; Paul pointed out some tall stranger (over there... see?) and pretended that he might be Joran.   The fact that Paul and Joran are free men today is mind-boggling.

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I can't believe those people actually called deCries office and tried to convince him of that absolutely asinine list of their of "Lies of Beth" when they are distortions of what she said or exaggerations.  For instance if she says she had not eaten for the first few days, they will find she was in a restaurant and that proves she was lying.

Absolutely nothing but twisting of details and minutiea that is just beyond the pale.  Nothng of any substance even, just anything to try to make her look as bad as their heroes the Sloots.

But if the program has already cut off and gone into production, too late.  But it would not have mattered for they don't have a thing to counter the glaring facts.  Nada, zilch.  Joran was last seen with Natalee and has lied incessantly ever since.They have already praised this guy to the max and their turning on him in this one case is astounding rank hypocrisy.

Hey!  Maybe word got to JORAN.ANGRY! and that is what he is angry about!  Well, Jor, whadda ya expect??  Only your mommy and Aunt Greta and Aunt Julia believe those lies.  You are not even good at lying, silly boy!  I've encountered bright eight year olds who could lie circles around you and your sweaty old man both.  We are not nearly as stupid as you have been led to believe.  

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PVDS: Desperate to make a "Deposit" at CMB

This banking activity is highly suspicious.  According to pvds June 23 statement:

1.  05.45 hours is the normal time for the alarm to go off and I wake up. The children I wake up at approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.

So far seems like a normal morning in the sloot slum.  pvds wakes up to alarm at 05:45.

2.  ...if I tell you all the things I did on that Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work. The exact time I cannot remember but I think it was approximately 08.00 hours.
OK.  So now, after rousing the kiddies from their beds and making them some breakfast, etc and trundling the lads off to school, pvds arrives at work at 8:00am.  So by this we assume, he is in his office, presumabaly in Orangstead at this time.

3.  I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without having made any transaction and went back to work.

After two hours at the desk, pvds decides it's time to make a bank visit.  So Paulus arrives at the CMB Bank at 10:00am to find the lines too long and not worth the wait.  During this visit, we must assume that Paulus is visiting the CMB branch in Orangstead, because, after all he is at work nearby and he claims to return to work:

http://www.cmbnv.com/main_branch.php

Addressing some previous posts, I would say it's highly likely that Paulus was in bank at this stated time.  Banks have the latest in surveillance equipment and technology and it's constantly deployed and in use -- especially during banking hours.  Hence, it's more than likely that Paulus appears on the bank security tapes.

4.  I left my workplace at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30. I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.

So now Paulus does some work and at 3:00pm (12.00 hours -- military time is noon) he decides it's time to retry banking so he leaves the office (early) and heads to the Noord CMB branch and arrives there at 3:30pm.  Note, Paulus has not gone to bank during lunch hour, as is customary and usual, and he leaves work very early.  Note too, that Paulus elects to travel 1/2 hour all the way back to Noord to make a $285 bank deposit.

CMB Noord branch: http://www.cmbnv.com/noord.php

5. To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping
or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank.

OK.  So Paulus goes directly to bank.  It takes about 1/2 hour to drive from Orangstead to Noord, according to him at this time of day.

6.  After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According to me both Rita and Joran where at home.

So, about 4:15pm, Paulus arrives home and both Rita and Joran are there.  Looks like he cut his work day short, and knew he was doing so ahead of time, as he drove to Noord to do the banking.  And then went straight home.

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All in all, this is an awful lot of effort to make a $285 deposit.  

And it's also odd that Rita the maid is at the sloot house when she testifies that she left that day at noon:

"On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following: I work on Monday from 08.00 till 12.00. "

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I am not a person who follows any organized, or recognized religion. I pray, and I believe in a God. I am sure many here have seen Beth's Hour of power video........but I would wager to say there is no person that can watch this video and feel Beth is lying about anything. IMO.

http://www.hourofpower.org/video/video.cfm

My best right back at her and thanks for the compliment on the dogs.  The little girl in the red dress is not mine and I don't have that breed but wish she were.  Might be too much of a princess for around here, however!

And I do remember Natalee had that banded $50 in $1 for tips that I believe Jug said he got for her as well.  Guess she was not one of the big tippers, lol.  Kids are usually embarrassed to tip I have found or they don't understand how or why.  I thought I was the only one who got those $1 for that and mine have every time brought them back home undistributed.  I don't know why for they are not stingy at all but think they felt awkward tipping.  

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Interesting that Andre doesn't mention Joran taking Paulus's place when Paulus had to leave or that Joran won money in that tournament. But he does mention that Joran was the first to lose out of the tourny.  Then when Andre lost he found Joran at the BlackJack table with the MB girls.  

Bunch of hooey and ALE doesn't bother to follow-up with more questions.

O/T

Klaas,
The baby panda is perfectly posed and smiling in her sleep.  Any way you could get me a quick screen shot?  Sorry. .  . . . :oops:

Be back later. . . .

Trying, I'm getting a blank screen right now.  Will keep trying.

2 years

Mine went out too!  If you can get it fine but know you are too busy to keep trying.  Just if you think about it, no biggie.  She will be there for a while.   :D 2years I think.

Still nothing.  Are you still getting the cam ok?

I know you all seem to be focusing on PVDS statement about that bank as some sort or suspicous activity at the bank itself, but I think the bank is just being used as a ruse to excuse PVDS absence from the office.

When I think of banking and queues I only think of 'Drive Thru' and yes frequently there can be daunting queues there. So PVDS can say he had gone to the bank thinking no one could verify if he was actually there or not because he didn't stop because of the long 'Drive Thru' queues. I know drive thru is never mentioned, but still, going to the bank for me, only means drive thru.

Later when he says he left again for the bank it could have been 'Drive Thru' or outside ATM, again to cover for other activities that may have also taken place that day.

Well over a year ago I posted about my suspicions that Paulus was involved in the money laundering business on Aruba, using the casinos to move the cash.  Now we have Paulus' own statement that he made two visits to the Bank of Aruba on one day--once at 10 am and again at 3:30 pm.  This is just my own suspicion, and I have no evidence, but I would bet a big bill that this was a regular run for Paulus.  I wonder if PVDS regularly made morning and afternoon bank drops, and at different branches, too.  It's just all too convenient.

I think that too is the likely case. Paulus had to find a ligit reason for explaining why he had to go to the bank twice in one day. His explaination would not seem justified considering the time it would take to drive there and back 2X. the logical thing would have been to wait in line in the drive through, or go inside?

i wish we coudl find out something like the BANK was closed that day


due to construction, or decontamination  8)

I get the impression from his statement that he went to see a particular teller to handle his transaction.  After all, if you are frequently depositing large amounts of money, twice a day, into different accounts, banks get very, very suspicious.  Unless, of course, you are using a teller who knows how to handle the cash deposits and what accounts to put them in.  

PVDS is so involved in the money-laundering on that island that its practically a glowing neon sign on his forhead!  Frequent gambling in the casinos--on a civil servant's salary?  Not unless you are gambling with the casinos money.  Frequent travel to Holland, the US and other countries--not on a civil servant's salary.  An attorney who can handle the accounting is a valuable team player.  He was compensated well.  He also knows who does what and to whom.  Valuable information for a man in his middle-management position.  PVDS is so guilty of money-laundering that even the Arubans are having trouble looking the other way.

humph, i wonder if the SWEAT HOG is sweating today  :lol:

PAULUS leaves work to go to the BANK at 10 am ??????????

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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paulus the squalus, that is a TERRIBLE LIE  :twisted:

Pualus SECRET MISSION was to pick up the "LOST SNEAKERS"


 8)

And, the next obvious question is why doesn't the Aruban Prosecutor subpoena the bank records of Joran and PVDS?  We all know the answer to that one.  She's in this up to her neck and beginning to choke on it.

Gee, do you think the de Vries people will get the banking records on PVDS and gambling son, JVDS?  I hope so.  I hope the Bank of Aruba decides to investigate PVDS's banking.  That won't happen, but at least the Dutch have decided they will not loan these Aruban banks any more money.  Think they have a clue?  hmmmm....

I remember being a naive 18 year old living on my own in Toronto and steady dating a guy named Tom.  Tom lived about a mile away from me and would pass by my place most mornings to drive me to work as we both worked downtown.   One Thursday morning, I saw a parking ticket on the dashboard and looked at it while my boyfriend was in the coffee shop - it was from the night before and named a street just off Yonge St.
which is the main drag in Toronto.  My boyfriend had finished telling me about his evening of watching the hockey game on TV with the "boys" in the west end.    When he returned to the car and I asked him if he had gone straight home after and he said "of course, why?" I asked him "how did you get a parking ticket, last night, downtown?"  A simple explanation: he loaned his car to a friend named Roy and he had parked in an alley behind the bar and got the ticket.  So the next time I saw Roy, I asked him if he had paid Tom back.  Roy didn't know what I was talking about and Tom admitted that all the "boys" had gone downtown for one drink but that he couldn't tell me the truth because I might think he was cheating on me!!  I replied that I hadn't thought of that but now that you mention it...did you?  He would NEVER do that.   :lol:   That happened in the first month I knew him and it only got worse.  He could never remember all his lies and I used to have an excellent memory and would catch him every time.  He would even change his story as he was telling it.  " You did do that ?  I thought you said you didn't do that?  I used to wonder how anyone could lie so easily until one morning when Tom did not show up at the usual time for the drive to work and I called his house and asked his father if Tom had left.  His father told me he would ask Tom and came back on the phone to say that Tom was in bed and he was sick and not going to work.  I had to rush to get to the subway and ran out my front door and there was Tom sitting in his car asking me why wasn't I ready to leave.  
The point of this trip down memory lane is that one learns about honesty from the parents and if they are liars the kids will have a problem with the truth also.  I see it in Paul, Anita and Joran.

Wouldn't you think that since Paulus brought up his two visits to the bank the day after Natalee disappeared, that the Prosecutor would subpoena those records?  Just to verify his statements, you know.  Actually, wouldn't you think the Prosecutor might want to take a look at PVDS's records and the bank video from the entire month before and after the crime?  Our authorities would do that.  So, what's Aruba waiting for?

paulus cant remember mcdonalds or wendys ??

maybe he went to BURGER KING, you can tell,, er uhh i mean you can get whoppers there.



 :twisted:

this is for you robots  :lol:

use it with my blessing  8)

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Maybe she did?  It's possible alot of things were done we aren't aware of.  Doesn't mean they wouldn't destroy anything incriminating though.

i like

tanks  8)

The family of Natalee to go away unfortunately......

FInally having these statements to review, one of two things occurred when Janssen took "evidence" before the judge.....

either she didn't present the discrepancies adequately OR she didn't present them - no other alternatives IMO......well there is a third......every judge was corrupt and in Paulus' back pocket?

take your pick, I'd like to know which is which myself  :roll:

Made it a little smaller  :wink:  :lol:

You explained it well enough to make me smile :lol:

Well, with the Nov 1, date looming for a decision so PVDS can get his suit for damages completed, I think I'd pic #3.

 :P  :lol:

They are all in on it.

Reply to the big hammer:   I understand the kids get on the schoolbus at 6:30 AM.  I read it that Paul leaves the house to travel to work at 8:00 AM ( 1 1/2 hours to prepare for work) and that he was at the bank at 10:00 AM in Noord so it looks like he could claim 1 hour of lawyering before his rush to deposit the ill gotten money.  Who would want to risk carrying around the huge sum of 500 guilders and no fool would leave such a fortune in their desk drawer.  I am surprised that the bank doesn't have a special quickie queue for deposits of 500 guilders or more.   He went all the way to Noord and couldn't do his banking.  Don't you hate when that happens?  It is very suspicious and sounds a lot like Joran driving past the "big house" with Natalee - but not going in.  In the vicinity of their "slum" but not within the walls.  As the young people  say - I call bullshit on their storys.  Both guilty.

Has anyone heard from

Flying Mermaid

Easywriter

Jossy

lately?

Yeah, hope I didn't have anything to do with FM being gone, I know we had quite a spirited discussion one night, that I thought was all in jest and having fun.

I would like to hear what Jossy knows now.  I do believe that guy has a way of ferreting out information on the island that others can't get.  What a guy.  I like Jossy.

Flying Mermaid - I'm not sure
Easywriter - He may have been put on a "time out"
Jossy - Last I heard he was still in Florida but would be returning to Aruba soon, he may be in Aruba now..not sure.

jossy was here ?

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

Jossy spends a great deal of time in the USA, he went to school here.  I believe he has doctors in the Miami area.

Jossy was relayed thru Easy.

ok, i understand now
but does he read here

JOSSY ROCKS  8)

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

thank you :D

Back late.  Haven't read through...but I believe they emphasized this point to K2 and I also believe when Anita said "there were adults there" she was refering to K2... I believe it was a way to threaten K2 and keep them in line...IMO

Yes it was obvious early on the differentiation and threatening of the K2's.

Well, in the Joe Taco filing...one of the MB affidavids estimates Joran lost ~$250 at the blackjack table....which was after the poker (that he supposedly won the money that PVDS supposedly deposited).  The bank was in Noord...maybe a reason that car was seen by racket clug or pond or house....hmmmm..

for some reason PAULUS wants the world to think JORAN is a GREAT POKER PLAYER

he is a MURDERER not a poker player :evil:

But, in the PVDS statement, Rita (the maid) was at the house (with Joran) on Monday at 16:30...hmmmm

This is from Joran's statement given on June 14.  He is explaining what he did on Monday, May 31--the night after Natalee disappeared, just before Beth and Jug and friends arrived on the island.

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers. Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel. We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.

Does anyone recall in Paulus' statement where he expressed surprise that Joran was not home when Beth and Jug arrived at his house?  Paulus did not know where Joran was and called his cell phone.  Paulus really, really has a lousy memory, doesn't he?  He could not recall that his son called him after his tennis lesson to tell him where he would be that night. Amazing, just amazing.

May 31 is Tuesday, the day after Beth and Jug arrived.  Beth and Jug were at the Sloot home in the early morning hours of May 31, but they arrived in Aruba around 11pm May 30th.

AZLady:  Paul explains exactly how he felt about Joran being away from the house at 2:30 am , Tuesday, May 31, 2005:

PVDS: "I then went to Joran's apartment and to my surprise and to my anger he was not in his apartment. I then called him on his mobile phone. He immediately answered his phone. I asked him where he was and the told me he was at the “Wyndham”. That he was at the “Wyndham” did not surprise me at that moment. He was supposed to be playing in the “Free tournament” there. That could also be a clue that I indeed did not see him after I had dropped him off at the “Raquet Club”.
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Scroll to page 100.  Whatley statement....can't cut and paste.

According to Whatley, Van Der Sloot was helping Ruth McVeigh trying to win $100 at the card table.  Whatley and McVeigh told Van Der Sloot they were going to CAC.  Van Der Sloot told Whatley and McVeigh "CAC sucks" on Sunday Night.  They told Van Der Sloot Sunday was the MBHS students' last night in Aruba. Van Der Sloot left the card table after losing approximately $250. [/b]

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/doc3.pdf

Klaasend, I think I have the date wrong then.  Joran is describing what he did the evening before Beth and Jug arrived.  My point is that Paulus acts surprised that Joran is not home and calls him to see where he is.  Something doesn't jell here, and Paulus is conviently using a poor memory to cover up.

Yes, if you meant the evening of May 30th then I completely agree.

Buckeye, according to witnesses, Joran loses money at the casino, but according to Paulus he wins money and gives it to Paulus to deposit.  This is a game Paulus and Joran play at the casino.  Play and lose, play and win, it doesn't matter because Paulus will make his large cash deposits the next day, regardless.

From Crioyo, and old FP poster (from Aruba, I believe in Holland) when asked about Dutch media.  This was several months ago.

Television there’s Peter R. de Vries who’s a detective who risks his life seeking out criminals and
airs it on tv in his show. Uses secret camera’s, listening devices etc etc.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Let's hope he has some "secret" people tapping the perps/pimps...

Yep...I would think the depositors (launderers) would know their favorite banker by heart.  I'm sure there's a share of the nonwinnings.  Maybe the call to Guido wasn't to verify Joran won but a request to say he did, to excuse the driving around the bank/Noord.  Too bad other people saw Joran loose his winnings......

Money laundering is a tricky business in that it requires complicity on the parts of the casino cage workers, the casino dealers, the money runners, and the bank tellers, just to mention a few.  However, money laundering seems to be such a blatantly practiced business in Aruba that I don't think they bothered to cover their tracks too well.  I would guess that someone like de Vries and his investigative team might uncover this sort of business fairly easily.  After all, we can see it and we aren't even on that God-forsaken island!

Groningen, Netherlands, has been visiting us for some time now.  Hi to the Netherlands!   :lol:

Their whole defense is built on a card-house of lies.  We just need one person to pull a card and the house of cards (lies) comes tumbling down.
Beth & Dave may have to up the ante on the reward.

I'd like to know if this guy has ever phone tapped the police, or politicians. That is what has to be done here.

Looking at the de Vries website, looks like his next show will be November 26th if I'm reading it correctly:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

Klaas - have you had a chance to translate that article about de Vries?

No, I haven't.  I had an appointment this morning and have been busy trying to work today.  Hopefully tomorrow afternoon...sorry.

MF at RU just brought up something interresting.  IF there was a phone call from Natalee saying "I don't know these people", where was it made from?

MF wrote:

I also read that they heard waves crashing in the background, no house near the Mariott area is that close to hear those waves that do not crash at that beach.

Regarding Andre, I guess we should wait for PV's if they have this, to read about it. That they do not have it, does not mean that it does not exist, they only have I might guess, about 10% of the pages in the investigation....


I wonder if the Gottenbos home is close enough to the beach to hear the waves crashing?

You'd think so...I have always wondered if anybody honest dug into his bank records. What I find peculiar is that Paulus goes into so much detail of the minutia regarding these bank trips...it makes me suspicious of all aspects of it....maybe he didn't really go to two banks, but checking on something else....or maybe he was actually withdrawing money to hand off to someone ??? Whatever it is, his recitation is peculiar, IMO.

More posted by Lazlo regarding the de Vries show and investigation:

He listened, and the fact that we talked 3 times now (he knew my opinion when he contacted me) gives me hope they might be interested in looking at options other then Joran is guilty.

But, it was obvious to me, that they had made up their minds about the angle from which they wanted to build up (Joran) I did my best to trigger him looking into other directions.

Btw they will be investigating for at least 2 or 3 months more.

Well, if not, maybe he'll see it as a challenge...could be a really big ratings booster...Imagine the lead ins........

Shizaru - for your tme line as requested

Sept 8, 2005 - Beth returns to Aruba (in the company of Joe M?) - CNN interview with Joe M on 9-8)

Sept 11, 2005 - Beth leaves Aruba (Bondia article and Fox news interview with Geraldo Rivera on 9-11)

Klaas, who in Aruba do you think released these suspect statements? Was it a standard lawyer to lawyer exchange or more likely something along the lines of a disgruntled authority(ALE, Pros, Media)?

We have a PV from Andre...what's this about??

Well, if the wave bit is accurate...you could certainly hear them on a boat...

From Dave's book, page 63:

" On an airing of MSNBC's Abrams Report, Mansur was asked hwy he was involved in Natalee's case. He responded:

     I am involved for many reasons. Number one, I feel a strong affinity to this Alabama family that came here. I studied in Alabama. I went to college in Mobile, Alabama. I also went to high school in Mississippi, so I do feel a strong affinity to them. I know the people of those two states were very nice people to me when I was there at school, always invited on any holiday to one family or another's for Easter or Christmas or whatever, and I found them to be very fine and classy people...The reason is she is an American girl, a U.S. citizen that's disappeared from our island, and it's up to us, every single Aruban, to contribute and help and do whatever is necessary to find her...and we have our contacts also here locally that we've built over 25 years, so we have access to certain information no one else has.

There is no disputing that Mansur's publicity has kept Natalee's face a visible focus on Aruba for a long time. He continues to be an advocate for our cause. "

I don't know how the statements were obtained.

Someone was speculating that the call might have been made from Andre Dos Santos home which is near the Marriott.  MF is saying that there are no homes near the Marriott close enough to hear the waves.

Good catch.

Not Klaas, but I saved a post from MF, that was removed almost immediately, back in March.  Whytegirl did the translation.  So, I know there was some "leaking" of some kind then.

Posted: Wed Mar 8th, 2006 12:53 am       Quote           Reply   

Bernadina, someone is leaking.Net na e persona robez, esun cu ta kere cu e ta Dios."Just as this person stole, he believed that God was with him."Soko Soko, what are your kids doing?

Another good catch.

35 degrees tonight in Atlanta.  Brrrrrrrr.

32 degrees where Gottenbos moved to.  I hope they brought warm clothes with them.

I don't know why anyone would think that Paulus was " laundering " money 300.00 at a time.  If that.
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There are most likely crooked card games that go on with the tourists, but just small 'tater stuff. Casinos have mechanisms in place for these things, but on Aruba, I can't see them doing anything according to any laws we know of.  
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Koen lied, said he played tennis with Joran that day ( Monday ). They later found that it was a lie. A. Flanigan wanted Koen re intervieed for that reason.
But the answer was no.  
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Somone hee posted that maybe Paulus wasn't in his office or that someone saw him at 10 -ish and that is why he used the bank as a story.
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Don't you all find it amazing that he was called to the bar after he was released as a suspect ? must have some
L
O
W
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Standards there.

Are the Refugees giving legitimacy now to the "I don't know these people" phone call with these comments? What do y'all think? It sounds like they are treating the call as a FACT and discussing it on technical grounds (sounds in background etc.)

I have never been convinced that it was Mico the Monkey screching in the background, I feel that it was noise from a party or perhaps like they are saying, the sound of waves... or a boat.

I don't think anyone saw PVDS at the bank at 10:00.  I think that was his excuse for being in Noord.

BTW, we have absolutely NO proof that PVDS only made the ONE deposit.

Maybe he did it, and then filled out a second deposit slip for The Big One.

NO

All I'm saying is that IF there was a call, and IF the sound of waves crashing was heard in the background, it would likely be in an area closer to Malmuk or Arashi Beach.

If Paulus called Guido to verify that Joran had won the money in the Tourny at the HI, does that mean Guido was working that night?  The Excelsior closes at 5AM. I wonder what time Guido got off of work? And how did he get involved that he was charged with heavy battery and accessory to murder?

Hi everyone

I have a quick question --

when would Paulus have seen Joran for Joran to give his father the money?  Joran apparently didn't get up when his father told him to get up, and Paulus went off to work ...

Is it stated that this was money that Joran had won Sunday at the Holiday Inn Excelsior, or could it have been before that.

any ideas?

IIRC, VDStraten worked in Noord.

That is very good questuon and I am sure we will never have a straight answer.
My understanding is on the Sunday, Guido left work early.
Monday, he was with Joran most of the evening until 2 am, when Andre
and Guido left. Can't remember who had the vehicle.
The fellow employees of Guido said that he had scratches on his face and was wearing makeup.
He left Aruba.

That fits with what I was thinking. Go to work , then leave soon after to go to a bank that is on you way home ? The whole " bank" load makes no sense. Excuse the typos.

And the beach patrol was notified about 9am that Natalee was missing....

If we want to believe that Joran would give his father money...the other lie was that he picked him up at McDonalds Sunday at 11 pm...

Got this from our IS at work today:

If you receive an email supposedly from Microsoft that contains a link to download Internet Explorer 7, DO NOT DO IT. There is a spoofed email going around that directs you to a fake site that loads spy ware on your computer. Thanks.

The beach patrol just drove down the beach.
I don't think that it was taken seriously by anyone except the MB ppl that she wasn't there. That might be the case regardless where this took place. When she didn't return in time to catch the plane, they should have really sounded the alarm. The Renfrog Wart mentioned something in the VF article that Jan van Der Stratten wanted to wait 48 hours.
I woulds like to have De Vries dig up the connection between those two, PVDS and Jan VDS.
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Dutch Team... wonder if they had the authority to put a few Q's to Jan ?

Thanks for the heads up.

Ty Justins.

I understand this.  But, maybe JVDS did get a call from them and wanted to talk to PVDS that (banking) morning in Noord.

I used to think that Paulus got involved AFTER the HT's showed up at this doorstep.
Now, becasue of the computer records showing someone on the computer ( not Joran ) at 7 - ish before they even got there, all this CRAPOLA from Paulus about the bank, arranging lawyers, making phone calls, questioning Joran's friends, getting the HT's away from his house, well I now think that he knew late that Sunday night, early Monday morning.
And I am pretty sure just from the statements and how hard the Sloots tried to pin Natalee's disappearance on Natalee that right after " Something bad happened " that Paulus got involved.  
Paulus is a Bast*rd. Sorry for swearing. Well, not that sorry or I would backspace it out.

Ah, how is that any different from a normal Microsoft download? ;)

Most likely the other way around, PVDS was initiating the calls, he new what happened that night/morning and had to get the ball rolling.

Yep, I agree with all of the above.

Yep...or just drove by instead of calling...

Evening monkeys. Hope everyone is well.

....the sounds in the background on the phone call we aren't certain even happened...in the wee hours of the morning...when it was quiet and sounds carry better than during the day...thinking, thinking... :roll:

Why was Anita in Holland ? What teacher takes time off just before school is about to end ?

To Refugees

If you read the Joe Taco papers, Watson turned her pictures over to the FBI.  Please get off the Marcia conspiracy and MB coverup.  If you put half the effort into research as you do into trashing, you might get somewhere.

Yes, that was suspicious precisely for the reason you mention, but she claims it was a scheduled family affair/reunion thing that apparently PVDS didn't need to attend.

But it is so much easier to trash and create fiction then to do research.
I am sure Wang Chung doesn't do any stinking research!

Yeah, isn't that one just a real treat?  :roll:

I am not finsihed reading and I probably should but Melody lives near the Marriott.

To answer Kat_Gram, I guess the ones with the see-through blouses and as to your question, Carnut, perhaps no one in her family liked Paulus or her kids. :wink:

Yeh..I really think they must be getting paid...there just can't be that many mean/hateful people feeding on each other without some type of renumeration...They are so illogical...it makes my head hurt...at times, one has a spark of critical thinking and then BAM, the thought gets twisted and placed in the stupid bucket.

I think the main players are paid, Glenda, MF, Scubajap and a few others.  The rest are lost soles that need to feel special and part of a group.

You're probably right...but they wouldn't be so lost if they picked their groups better.  There are so many needs in the world.  They should attempt some good with their time.  They would feel better in the long wrong.  If it's a job with money, then you do what you need to do.  Better choice might be to find a different job.  I wouldn't be able to sleep.

Actually, it is comforting to think that most of the RU are in it for the money.  It proves that they are just money whores and not raving lunatics.  Wang Chung must be just raking in the guilders/florins/dollars.

Paid or needy -- they're all schmucks. Detestable to the core.

We know the tide was out, but coming back to a high tide that occurred at around 6:00 AM.

Arashi is described as shallow peaceful waters. Malmuk is also shallow waters and so is Hadicurari (FH).  The would have more lapping water than crashing waves.  Beaches that have the crashing waves are on the northern side of the island.  

If they were still up by the lighthouse could the sounds of the beach from Andicuri be heard?  Or could they have been near where the fabric and shallow grave were found near Dos Playa?

Andicuri- extreme NE tip up by the lighthouse has waves for surfing and body surfing.

Dos Playa – Surrounded by a rocky coastline, Dos Playa is a white beach with great waves. Advanced surfers go for an extreme surfing experience here, as the strong winds can be overwhelming for novice enthusiast.  
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/DosPlaya.jpg)

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A scheduled family re union. Usually, when we do these " family ' things, the family goes ! !

Another reason to think Paulus did not go to the so-called family reunion in Holland re:

From Paulus' statement :

1) " To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school
that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus
and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they
took the bus every day. "

2) " To your question whether I wait to see if they get on the bus,
I can state following. Yes, I stay and watch. "

1) Alright...he is saying " in the period that Anita is away"..he doesn't say in the period that WE were away...

2)  Here is states that he watches them get on the bus....SO he has been there during the entire period that Anita was away, and he has been there to see them on the bus for THE ENTIRE PERIOD.

He wasn't in Holland at all, IMO.

The Sloots aren't normal family.

Hi gang..
Just peeking in ... for a bit..
Need to pack for a dull 3 day trip  :(

After reading the FP and Aruba's loans (?) from Holland

( I assume that that this is Hollands Federal Govt. and not our  :roll:   :lol: )

I seem  :roll:  to remember something a about a provision in their
"Semi - Independent Status" being Dependent on Payments to Holland???
Some one help me out here please...

Could  Holland  "Revoke"  Aruba's semi independent status ??[/quote]

Plus according to Andre's statement, Paulus was already gambling with his date by 4:30 on 5/29.

From Andre dos Santos, June 20, 2005 statement:

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold'm poker Tournament". Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "black-Jack" and I continued play poker

A teacher like Anita!  :lol:   :lol:
She's an art teacher or whatever it is she describes herself as.

And if it was a family reunion, what type of family reunion starts in the middle of the week and ends in the middle of the following week?  Why didn't she just go for the weekend?  If her kids were having finals in school, what kind of mother would leave her children for a whole week during all of that?  Most would stay home to make sure the kids ate right, got their sleep and studied.  But I guess when you Mom is the school teacher and your Daddy is the judge you don't have to do any of those things to pass to the next grade.

that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  PLAYED


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

paulus went to the BANK for real the second time in the day to get money from his SAFE DEPOSIT BOX

untraceable

he had to pay people off

I bet Paulus ( and Joran ) had been out gambling every night Anita was away. Staying home with a good book and a cup of cocoa while the little woman was away probably wasn't on his agenda.

Sound of waves?  Maybe near Lorenzo's?

you just NAILED it


i think the word is SHILL  8)

Or the sound of rushing wind in a traveling vehicle?

Maybe we should make up a list of questions that need to be answered derived from all the inconsistencies we know of.  Maybe de Vries will read here and read that thread.  Beth did mention Scared Monkeys in her last interview in Holland.

Heh, heh, you'd think anyone with half a brain could figure this case out, if he's any kind of investigator at all, he shouldn't need any help.

But it sure shouldn't heart to let him know whats available.

Question:
I'm wondering exactly where did this MF "read" that there was the "sound of waves in the background", anyway ??  ( I'm rather leery, as IMO when they're making things up they go all out and dress them up in melodrama )

DECOY  DECOY DECOY  8)

Yeah, kinda like some of us were led down the garden path on the PVDS in Holland trip.

i was just gonna post the same thing  :shock:

MF got this from Scubajap who posted it on FOB last week. Where she got it i do not know...

Probably Renfrog  :wink:

:::rasing my hand:: I know... I know... she read it in a bodice ripper novel and decided that it would add that extra special something to her story...

 :lol:  You read my mind Klaas. I just didn't want to mention her/it again.

 :lol:

Okay, I will say no more about the sounds... I get the message.  :roll:

Lala's - I think the problem is this:

#1 - we don't know for sure if there really was a call

#2 - if MF and Scubajap are saying sounds of waves, then we can probably rule out "sounds of waves".

Exactly Klaasend... as San would say if they say there were sounds of waves.... it means there wasn't.

the only waves i hear are waves of LAUGHTER from myself thinking what HAIR BRAINED SCHEMES some will come with

makes me want to HURL  :twisted:

The Sound of Waves ?!?

Those aren't "waves" you're hearing, kids.

That's the sound of a coverup beginning it's inevitable, groaning crash to the ground.

I thought there was "no" call.  Gerben said that even if there was a call it was "inconclusive" in terms of id-ing the female voice.  So I guess now there "was" a call.  Because after all we all know there was a call because it has been attested to and beth and greta both discussed this call --on air -- and beth stated she "believed" it was from Natalee.  We have the words of Spencer Bachus, who upon hearing the words of the call and being told of their meaning, said "...this was NOT a teen who simply wandered off..."

The call, if verified (via BHT affadavit) as being Natalee is slam-dunk, see you in 20 years, evidence of KIDNAPPING.  Exactly the charge FAT BOY VAN DER STRAATEN said didn't happen.  Oh, you mean she was abducted, assualted and murdered because she WANTED THAT?

WAVES ?!?

I don't hear waves.  I hear a young girl crying for help.

Kidnapping, anyone?

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the HAMMER STRIKES AGAIN  8)

One of the best ones yet !!!!!!!!!!!!  Semper Fi ~

so maybe PAULUS goes to work, leaves at 10 to go to the BANK  :roll:

but he really goes to talk with someone on the phone, you really cant be talking about a murder cover up in your office, well in TOILET
you can

For your information i do not refer to ARUBA as ARUBA anymore, i only refer to it as TOILET, not the TOILET only TOILET


PAULUS was making arrangements that morning from his cell phone  :wink:

Ok monkeys I hate to just drive by but it's been a busy night at the red's ... lots of chores...

I do want to say good night and keep the faith!!

gnite mate 8)

robots.....you made me log in..... :D  :D  :D

......I'm so glad I was here....later on I might not understand what you were talking about....funny...

Good night mrs.....

Hello friends....Mere

Hi Mere :D

 :lol: Sometimes Robots is easier to understand like this!  :lol:

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Hi San and Klaasend.....

I try to keep up by reading a few times a day....mostly do not have anything to add....lots of thinking monkeys on this site.....watching from the trees...!  :)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

So I guess we are back to the "there was NO call" theory again? Which is it? Call or no call?  I think a call happened...

im glad you are here to see a ROBOT TRANSLATION  8)  :wink:

MOJ Rudy Croes has openly accussed VDStraten of having inappropriate phone contacts during the first week of the investigation. Paulus now says he talked to VDStraten almost every day. If they talked on monday that would look bad, very bad for ALE.

yep

VDStraten should be in jail.

Didn't Charlie crazy as a sh*t house rat Croes listen to the call ?

Agreed Big Hammer, at some point she was abducted.   My belief is that she likely knew she was not in good hands shortly after leaving the bar.   Deepak clearly remembers the exchange between Natalee and the other MB'ers after leaving.  He even went as far as saying he suggested that Natalee get out and 'go with her friends' after being summoned by the male MB student.  To me this suggests guilt, and also suggests Deepak knew of the impending crimes that would be committed.  

Secondly, the porn video?  This is a glimpse into the mind of predators in my opinion.  Only predators would display pornographic materials to a complete stranger that they had met only hours before and in K2's case, only a half hour before, yet they had the notion to play a porn video for their overseas GUEST?  I think not!  A more likely scenario is that they KNEW Natalee would not be in a position to pass judgement on them or they simply did not care.  This clearly is a contradiction to Deepak's previous 'go with your friends' gesture.  At what point in the ride did the Natalee's freedom become compromised?  BEFORE DEEPAK URINATED?  Perhaps shortly after showing the porno, and likely around the same time Natalee became concerned about her security and well being?  

On more than one occasion Deepak stated he stopped at the end of the asphalt at Arashi Beach and urinated.  Pretty detailed description of a piss break, huh?  Charles Croes went to ARASHI to locate one of Joran's associates.  WHY ARASHI?  Did Joran frequent Arashi Beach?  Was there a Soul Beach Music Festival after hours party there?  If Natalee was aware of the imminent danger before they arrived at Arashi Beach then wouldn't this be the likely location of her attempted escape if that occurred?

I don't think we know anything for sure.  I am inclined to believe that there was a call recieved on Williams cellphone, a message left, that some people think was Natalee.

Yes he did.