Haleigh Marie Cummings #18 8/6/09 - 8/30/09

[Heart]

snip from NRCG:

I will have to agree with you. And one other thing, that I don't want anyone to take the wrong way, because it is a terrible and serious topic. But I really wonder if Misty was abused by any family member? Is she just saying this for sympathy, or to get family members in trouble. It would be horrific either way, if it really happened, or she is making it all up. I just don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

Rosie...I have said this same thing before today, that I was skeptical if her allegations were even true....my one question that I asked in the past was if her cousin Joe had really molested her in the past, why is she and the family still friendly with him? IIRC,  supposedly he had even visited her the evening that Haleigh went missing...now if someone in the past had "messed" with you...would you allow them into your home when you are there alone with 2 little kids? I don't believe anything that she might say if it was to her advantage to lie..
I almost posted what you said today myself...minds thinking alike and all that heh?

Hello monkeys!

Well, then - that makes 3 of us all thinking the same thing, then . . . I have found myself wondering the same, but feeling perhaps a bit guilty for thinking it - somehow it doesn't sit right to say one doesn't believe a rape victim, does it? But it makes absolutely NO sense to me that she would maintain ties with her attackers if it were true - no way! And like you both said: she had Joe over at her house with the kids there, and Hank says he saw the kids pretty much daily . . . I don't think so. Interesting how the list keeps growing of those who have "messed with her" . . . constant excuses for the mess that is her life . .  . just like all of her other lies keep accumulating as she tries to dig herself out of this giant mess she has gotten herself into. She may be "street smart", but she is emotionally VERY immature. (Her emotional maturity and education levels are probably very similar, IMO).

4 I posted about it earlier today myself.........she wants us to believe she's been molested by 3 different people So not buying it. My son was a victim at age three as most know, and I was told by the psychologist and rape crisis center that he would have a very strong intuition about people who "aren't right" IYKWIM and he has a very heightened sense of aawareness and is super cautious.

Well I for one will not jump out there and say that she is lying.  That dysfunctional drug infested family, I would not put it pass them.

I worked with a woman that had been molested by two different stepfathers and an uncle when she was a young girl. She  had no choice but to continue to be around them, because when she informed her mother about one of them, her mother did not believe her and became upset with her.

I wonder just why Misty was not sent, made to go to school.

Everyone does not react or respond the same. Everyone does not have the state of mind to seek assistance of a psychologist and rape crisis center.


Mothers of incest survivors: another side of the story - Google Books Result

of family dysfunction that is handed down from one generation to the next, ... Diane was molested by an uncle and an older brother but said she chose to

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8hC2sqbsDwC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=family+dysfunction+and+molestation&source=bl&ots=xUpVD6IOTM&sig=eWtn2TYzVeB0l9dqz88iskJ_wIs&hl=en&ei=6gGaSujaD6rxnQecwfmVCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#v=onepage&q=&f=false

[Jerseygirl345]

snip from NRCG:

I will have to agree with you. And one other thing, that I don't want anyone to take the wrong way, because it is a terrible and serious topic. But I really wonder if Misty was abused by any family member? Is she just saying this for sympathy, or to get family members in trouble. It would be horrific either way, if it really happened, or she is making it all up. I just don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

Rosie...I have said this same thing before today, that I was skeptical if her allegations were even true....my one question that I asked in the past was if her cousin Joe had really molested her in the past, why is she and the family still friendly with him? IIRC,  supposedly he had even visited her the evening that Haleigh went missing...now if someone in the past had "messed" with you...would you allow them into your home when you are there alone with 2 little kids? I don't believe anything that she might say if it was to her advantage to lie..
I almost posted what you said today myself...minds thinking alike and all that heh?

Hello monkeys!

Well, then - that makes 3 of us all thinking the same thing, then . . . I have found myself wondering the same, but feeling perhaps a bit guilty for thinking it - somehow it doesn't sit right to say one doesn't believe a rape victim, does it? But it makes absolutely NO sense to me that she would maintain ties with her attackers if it were true - no way! And like you both said: she had Joe over at her house with the kids there, and Hank says he saw the kids pretty much daily . . . I don't think so. Interesting how the list keeps growing of those who have "messed with her" . . . constant excuses for the mess that is her life . .  . just like all of her other lies keep accumulating as she tries to dig herself out of this giant mess she has gotten herself into. She may be "street smart", but she is emotionally VERY immature. (Her emotional maturity and education levels are probably very similar, IMO).

4 I posted about it earlier today myself.........she wants us to believe she's been molested by 3 different people So not buying it. My son was a victim at age three as most know, and I was told by the psychologist and rape crisis center that he would have a very strong intuition about people who "aren't right" IYKWIM and he has a very heightened sense of aawareness and is super cautious.

#5.. I still cant get past the 911 call, Greta interview or the today show interview..Let alone all the inconsistancies and coaching... They are involved directly ot indirectly...JMO

[islandmonkey]

snip from NRCG:

I will have to agree with you. And one other thing, that I don't want anyone to take the wrong way, because it is a terrible and serious topic. But I really wonder if Misty was abused by any family member? Is she just saying this for sympathy, or to get family members in trouble. It would be horrific either way, if it really happened, or she is making it all up. I just don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

Rosie...I have said this same thing before today, that I was skeptical if her allegations were even true....my one question that I asked in the past was if her cousin Joe had really molested her in the past, why is she and the family still friendly with him? IIRC,  supposedly he had even visited her the evening that Haleigh went missing...now if someone in the past had "messed" with you...would you allow them into your home when you are there alone with 2 little kids? I don't believe anything that she might say if it was to her advantage to lie..
I almost posted what you said today myself...minds thinking alike and all that heh?

Hello monkeys!

Well, then - that makes 3 of us all thinking the same thing, then . . . I have found myself wondering the same, but feeling perhaps a bit guilty for thinking it - somehow it doesn't sit right to say one doesn't believe a rape victim, does it? But it makes absolutely NO sense to me that she would maintain ties with her attackers if it were true - no way! And like you both said: she had Joe over at her house with the kids there, and Hank says he saw the kids pretty much daily . . . I don't think so. Interesting how the list keeps growing of those who have "messed with her" . . . constant excuses for the mess that is her life . .  . just like all of her other lies keep accumulating as she tries to dig herself out of this giant mess she has gotten herself into. She may be "street smart", but she is emotionally VERY immature. (Her emotional maturity and education levels are probably very similar, IMO).

4 I posted about it earlier today myself.........she wants us to believe she's been molested by 3 different people So not buying it. My son was a victim at age three as most know, and I was told by the psychologist and rape crisis center that he would have a very strong intuition about people who "aren't right" IYKWIM and he has a very heightened sense of aawareness and is super cautious.

Well I for one will not jump out there and say that she is lying.  That dysfunctional drug infested family, I would not put it pass them.

I worked with a woman that had been molested by two different stepfathers and an uncle when she was a young girl. She  had no choice but to continue to be around them, because when she informed her mother about one of them, her mother did not believe her and became upset with her.

I wonder just why Misty was not sent, made to go to school.

Everyone does not react or respond the same. Everyone does not have the state of mind to seek assistance of a psychologist and rape crisis center.


Mothers of incest survivors: another side of the story - Google Books Result

of family dysfunction that is handed down from one generation to the next, ... Diane was molested by an uncle and an older brother but said she chose to

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8hC2sqbsDwC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=family+dysfunction+and+molestation&source=bl&ots=xUpVD6IOTM&sig=eWtn2TYzVeB0l9dqz88iskJ_wIs&hl=en&ei=6gGaSujaD6rxnQecwfmVCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Well, I AM the mother of an incest victim..............and he is hypersensitive to men and I was told by everyone I spoke with over those 3yrs of hell if he would be more suseptible to this now and their statement s were absolutely not, he would be more aware and proetective of himself and that has shown to be true for the past 6 yrs.

[Heart]

Don't know what happened to the rest of my post - LOL. What I wanted to finish saying/asking:

I would not be surprised at all though if she were to wind up dead at the hands of someone else - most especially angry violent Ronnie boy . . . thoughts?

She sure is mouthing off about a lot of people and I bet they are very angry....if she were to come up missing I bet it would be a toss up with who to start looking at ...too many people with motive.....if you ask me she is playing a very dangerous game

Well everyone was screaming and wanting her to talk, so now she has had her say, lol.

[Brandi]

I have been holding out hope (I know, odds are against this) that Haleigh is alive.

Today's search really had me anxious. I am kind of glad she was not found, because I believe they were looking for remains today.

But I feel let down because I don't see any progress from today's search, although Tim Miller or someone in his group reportedly said that they were ahead of the game, since they covered the area they did today.

I do so much want closure, as we all do, but I am glad no remains were found. And sorry that there is no closure yet.

Where, oh, where is that little girl?

[cecilita]

Did She say that the searches should go back to search an area was already searched? so it means that Tim was close to Haleigh... maybe that is the reason the misty start feeling better and happy after Tim cleared the zone were Haleigh was buried....just to see the videos you can see her very scared and days after she was feeling very confident.

[Heart]

Efforts continue in Haleigh Cummings' disappearance

No results from search, and no response from Sheriff's Office.

There was a flurry of activity related to the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings over the weekend.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office interviewed Misty Cummings' brother and his wife Friday evening, and searchers on horseback continued the hunt for the missing Putnam County kindergartner Saturday morning at a plot of land near the Palatka home where she last seen in February.

The search yielded no results. The Sheriff's Office didn't respond to multiple calls for comment about the interviews.

Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh Cumming's mother, said she heard from investigators that Tommy Croslin and his wife were brought in for questioning because of comments from Misty Cummings, 17, wife of Haleigh's father, Ronald.

"They were checking up about some things she had told police," Sheffield said.

She added the interviews each lasted a few hours.

The 30-person search was undertaken by EquuSearch, a Texas group that specializes in tracking down missing children and was involved with the Caylee Anthony case.

EquuSearch founder Tim Miller said the search was planned in advance, and Cummings suggested the location because she believed the 6-acre wooded plot hadn't been thoroughly searched.

Cummings has been under intense scrutiny after a series of poor results on different tests, such as voice analysis, administered by Miller. Those results went public shortly after authorities issued a release that said physical evidence contradicts where she told detectives she was when the girl vanished. Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office told the Times-Union earlier this month that Misty Cummings knows more than she is letting on, but she isn't considered a suspect.

An argument between Ronald Cummings and his brother-in-law, Hank Croslin Jr., preceded the search and interviews. The fight earlier this month ended with Ronald Cummings' arrest. Two days later, Croslin found a dead rat in his Satsuma mailbox.

Misty and Ronald Cummings were not available for comment.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-30/story/efforts_continue_in_haleigh_cummings_disappearance

[Heart]

Did She say that the searches should go back to search an area was already searched? so it means that Tim was close to Haleigh... maybe that is the reason the misty start feeling better and happy after Tim cleared the zone were Haleigh was buried....just to see the videos you can see her very scared and days after she was feeling very confident.

They just did the search today, Saturday.  Have you seen videos taken of Misty today?

[Heart]

Nothing found in search for Haleigh and Tracy

Updated: Saturday, 29 Aug 2009, 8:59 PM EDT
Published : Saturday, 29 Aug 2009, 11:57 AM EDT

ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35. Orlando) - Search crews hit the ground running Saturday for two of Florida’s missing people.

A team of specialized search and rescue volunteers were in Ocoee this weekend looking for clues into the disappearance of Tracy Ocasio. The 27-year-old woman went missing in May after leaving the Tap Room bar in Metrowest with James Hataway, a person of interest in her disappearance.

The Florida-3 Airboat Search and Rescue group is made up of trained search and rescue personnel. The group recently conducted a dual search for both Tracy Ocasio and Jennifer Kesse, who has been missing since 2006 from her condo near the Mall at Millenia.

Earlier this week, Ocoee Police revealed they found a black boot in the wood that they think might have belonged to Ocasio. Police also received a tip about a body in freezer bags in an abandoned animal shelter in Winter Garden, but the medical examiner determined it was just animal bones.

As for Haleigh Cummings, members of Equusearch, the Texas-based search team, once again searched an area near the home of her father Ronald Cummings.  The 5-year-old vanished from the family’s trailer in March.

Under hypnosis, Ronald Cumming’s 17-year-old wife Misty Croslin Cummings told searchers to look for Haleigh near a rose left in an undisclosed area in Putnam County.

Based on that tip, Equusearch on Saturday headed back out to Satsuma to search for leads in the case, but nothing was found.    Watch FOX 35 News at 10 p.m. for in depth look at both stories.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/082909_Searchers_look_for_Haleigh_and_Tracy

[Heart]

Haleigh Cummings – BNN Radio – Schedule For Aug 29/30
Posted on August 28th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in crime


We have two programs scheduled for this weekend. At first they may not seem to have a great deal in common, but yes they do. On Saturday at 3pm Central we are going to explore the very ugly world of drugs. We tried to do this last week but technology got the better of us. At 3pm central we will have Attorney Mitch Stone, a veteran who has been both prosecutor and defender in mostly drug cases. Oh, don’t be misled, we are talking users, dealers, doctors, money launderers, and other aspects of this sad part of life.

Joining us will be author and recovering addict Carlton Davis. Also part of the panel will be Armando Aldazabal, he has two drug-centric books in print, but more importantly he has seen friends and family succumb to the lure. Armando also knows the Satsuma, Florida area fairly well, and brings some pretty interesting observations to the table.

On Sunday at 3pm central we will be talking about the Haleigh Cummings case. It has been a wild week, and getting wilder by the moment. We will have the regular panel, and we are working on some special guests. The fire has been put to Misty’s feet, we just might have some more!

Our phone has been ringing off the hook for the past two days. Suddenly a lot of what has been speculated for months (behind closed doors) needs to be looked at in a whole new light. Many things that we have talked about in private suddenly take on a new importance.

This should be a very interesting program. If you have been following the search for Haleigh Cummings, this program is one that you will not want to miss.

To listen in to either program, just point your browser to www.blogtalkradio.com a few minutes before we go on air, the link to listen will be on the front page.

Simon and Jan Barrett

http://www.bloggernews.net/122050

[Wyks]

Regarding them possibly searching an area already searched:

I've learned from professional search teams in other cases that it's common practice to go back and search an area already searched.  Several times even.  The reason being is that evidence has been discovered in many cases where it hadn't been during the earlier searches.  Perps have gone behind the search teams and hidden evidence (even bodies) where they must have thought had been cleared.  And in this they felt safe.  Such evidence has been found in other cases in those exact same areas during the 2nd/3rd sweep.   

And one reason some search teams and LE aren't too keen on making public beforehand where a search is to take place, is so that evidence will not be removed ahead of time by a perp.  Only to be replaced afterward. 

The professional search teams in these other cases have said that an area typically isn't considered "all clear" until it's been searched at least 2-3 times, perhaps more. 

Take an area such as Florida, where trees/swamps/shrubbery are seemingly endless, not to mention dangerous in places... the extent of the search can become a nightmare in itself. 
 

[can]

So is Tim suppose to search the rose area tommorrow??? Then will they disclose the area????...I tell you what ...after her pointing the finger to her brother and then telling this rose story then LE taking him in for questioning I think that they are trying to set up her brother for whatever reason but he may go in there and tell life long stories about Misty ,,,I think that this girl is C_R_A_Z_Y !!!!

I don't know if she's crazy or not, but her grammar makes the Baby Jesus cry.

I am wondering if it is really that bad ...can't really see her making it to 7th grade that way .....we need to compare her spelling to the myspace grammar and her signature to the marriage liscense one because I am thinking that she may be trying to act dumber than she is and also she is pulling out the I am only 17 years old crap JMO

I don't know...I really haven't been following this case and just turned on Nancy Grace tonight randomly. So, for what it's worth, I'm coming into this without any agenda or prejudices. But she strikes me as a potentially pretty, very manipulative girl who has never had any advantage in life at all. I mean, what 17-year-old shacks up with a boyfriend and his children in a trailer? (When I was 17 I was playing violin in the high school orchestra and planning for college). I'm not saying she's innocent (far from it, in my opinion). I'm just saying I genuinely believe she's low-class and disadvantaged...but maybe that's what she wants me to believe!

Reportedly, she only has a 4th grade education.  That says a lot to me.  Why??

Good afternoon Strayze. 
Isn't that illegal in and of itself?!

Good afternoon.  Illegal, yes.  But in backwoods areas, not at all uncommon.  It is a situation where remedial resources may not be available, or the public schools cannot accommodate the mentally challenged, even though there are state and federal laws on this.  Also, there is pressure on kids to work (frequently farm work). despite whatever the law is.

Shocking in this day and age!  It also leaves children vulnerable in more ways than one, as often it is a teacher's inquiry about a child missing from class, that alerts children's aid to possible problems such a abuse in the home.

[can]

Prayers that Haleigh be found soon.

Does anyone know if Jr. has spent time with Crystal, or is he exclusively in Ron
Misty and G. Sykes care? 

[theboyzmom]

snip from NRCG:

I will have to agree with you. And one other thing, that I don't want anyone to take the wrong way, because it is a terrible and serious topic. But I really wonder if Misty was abused by any family member? Is she just saying this for sympathy, or to get family members in trouble. It would be horrific either way, if it really happened, or she is making it all up. I just don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

Rosie...I have said this same thing before today, that I was skeptical if her allegations were even true....my one question that I asked in the past was if her cousin Joe had really molested her in the past, why is she and the family still friendly with him? IIRC,  supposedly he had even visited her the evening that Haleigh went missing...now if someone in the past had "messed" with you...would you allow them into your home when you are there alone with 2 little kids? I don't believe anything that she might say if it was to her advantage to lie..
I almost posted what you said today myself...minds thinking alike and all that heh?

Hello monkeys!

Well, then - that makes 3 of us all thinking the same thing, then . . . I have found myself wondering the same, but feeling perhaps a bit guilty for thinking it - somehow it doesn't sit right to say one doesn't believe a rape victim, does it? But it makes absolutely NO sense to me that she would maintain ties with her attackers if it were true - no way! And like you both said: she had Joe over at her house with the kids there, and Hank says he saw the kids pretty much daily . . . I don't think so. Interesting how the list keeps growing of those who have "messed with her" . . . constant excuses for the mess that is her life . .  . just like all of her other lies keep accumulating as she tries to dig herself out of this giant mess she has gotten herself into. She may be "street smart", but she is emotionally VERY immature. (Her emotional maturity and education levels are probably very similar, IMO).

4 I posted about it earlier today myself.........she wants us to believe she's been molested by 3 different people So not buying it. My son was a victim at age three as most know, and I was told by the psychologist and rape crisis center that he would have a very strong intuition about people who "aren't right" IYKWIM and he has a very heightened sense of aawareness and is super cautious.

Well I for one will not jump out there and say that she is lying.  That dysfunctional drug infested family, I would not put it pass them.

I worked with a woman that had been molested by two different stepfathers and an uncle when she was a young girl. She  had no choice but to continue to be around them, because when she informed her mother about one of them, her mother did not believe her and became upset with her.

I wonder just why Misty was not sent, made to go to school.

Everyone does not react or respond the same. Everyone does not have the state of mind to seek assistance of a psychologist and rape crisis center.


Mothers of incest survivors: another side of the story - Google Books Result

of family dysfunction that is handed down from one generation to the next, ... Diane was molested by an uncle and an older brother but said she chose to

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8hC2sqbsDwC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=family+dysfunction+and+molestation&source=bl&ots=xUpVD6IOTM&sig=eWtn2TYzVeB0l9dqz88iskJ_wIs&hl=en&ei=6gGaSujaD6rxnQecwfmVCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Well, I AM the mother of an incest victim..............and he is hypersensitive to men and I was told by everyone I spoke with over those 3yrs of hell if he would be more suseptible to this now and their statement s were absolutely not, he would be more aware and proetective of himself and that has shown to be true for the past 6 yrs.

I agree with IM - I am the mother of a victim too - and he is hypersensitive about people in general but especially about men. I just think that Misty is using the "molestation" as a way to keep people feeling sorry for her.

[Sassycat]

I agree with IM - I am the mother of a victim too - and he is hypersensitive about people in general but especially about men. I just think that Misty is using the "molestation" as a way to keep people feeling sorry for her.

I've been wondering if the "messing" incidents were mutual.   Maybe Misty was an active participant.   We all know she is no angel.       just sayin.

[seahorse]

This is my view on the blood, deer and van:

They say there is a little bit of truth in a lie according to the guests on TV shows.

Did Misty see Haleigh as the "deer"?   Is she referring to the blood, deer and van, referring to the child?

Did someone run over Haleigh?  Was Misty was trying to tell the story without committing herself.

It is my opinion the blood, "seeing the deer put into the van", perhaps, was not the deer, instead, possibily the child.

Does anyone remember Casey Anthony's version of the squirrel being scraped off the car?

[no rose colored glasses]

Wow, just got caught up from last night, we lost our power, and I was getting nervous    Many good posts, articles and links, thanks. Wonder what the day will bring?

[higherhopes]

I was just getting ready for work and thinking about what Misty said in her tests about the fact that when she was first laying down to go to sleep, that Jr. crawled over her and headed for the bathroom door, she said she didnt pay it asny mind and just went on to sleep because he did this sometimes,  now I wonder, just how long did Jr. stay up? did he open the door and let someone in?  was Haleigh gone when he came back to bed?
  I can see where the LE is having problems with all this, Misty seems to be throwing so much other stuff in that has to be answered and throw suspition in other directions, like why did she have to wash her blanket if only Haleighs smelled like pee? why wait until that late at night to wash them? Did her brother come inside the house while she stayed outside with the kids, maybe to use the bathroom and he unlocked that backdoor, knowing that Misty would be out later and he could come back in? Why did he come over there to begin with, for money? to bring her drugs? to tell her where she could get drugs? or just a brotherly visit?  Why did the cousin Joe want to leave as soon as all this happened, or was he already planning on leaving anyway? And just who scratched up that darn van, is it just a coinsident that it happened on this same night or was it used to make HaLeigh dissapear?

This story is really too far fetched and with so many roads leading off to no where no wonder this case is taking forever to solve!

[Gizzie]

I was just getting ready for work and thinking about what Misty said in her tests about the fact that when she was first laying down to go to sleep, that Jr. crawled over her and headed for the bathroom door, she said she didnt pay it asny mind and just went on to sleep because he did this sometimes,  now I wonder, just how long did Jr. stay up? did he open the door and let someone in?  was Haleigh gone when he came back to bed?
  I can see where the LE is having problems with all this, Misty seems to be throwing so much other stuff in that has to be answered and throw suspition in other directions, like why did she have to wash her blanket if only Haleighs smelled like pee? why wait until that late at night to wash them? Did her brother come inside the house while she stayed outside with the kids, maybe to use the bathroom and he unlocked that backdoor, knowing that Misty would be out later and he could come back in? Why did he come over there to begin with, for money? to bring her drugs? to tell her where she could get drugs? or just a brotherly visit?  Why did the cousin Joe want to leave as soon as all this happened, or was he already planning on leaving anyway? And just who scratched up that darn van, is it just a coinsident that it happened on this same night or was it used to make HaLeigh dissapear?

This story is really too far fetched and with so many roads leading off to no where no wonder this case is taking forever to solve!

I know I know the answer to my question, but I just can't recall...Does Misty's brother have a criminal record and do you know what it is? TIA

[cookie]

I agree with IM - I am the mother of a victim too - and he is hypersensitive about people in general but especially about men. I just think that Misty is using the "molestation" as a way to keep people feeling sorry for her.

I've been wondering if the "messing" incidents were mutual.   Maybe Misty was an active participant.   We all know she is no angel.       just sayin.

dunno Sassy... Misty and Joe are not that far apart in age...it may have been more of "kissing cousins" and  just 2 kids "messing around" with each other.....that would be my guess on that one...not sure about the others that she is claiming...