Natalee Case Discussion #825 10/12/09 - 11/07/09

[Blue Moon]

Good morning all.  Justice for Nat is around the corner (I feel it)

Klaas,  thoughts and prayers with you and your family.  God bless.

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12943/5/



Papiamentu translation:

westin resort, aruba owing to named after richard roy because;

gerente general sunday, 18 october 2009 - 13:24

westin resort, aruba is contento of can anuncia the promocion of richard roy for her posicion of gerente general. roy, one ehecutivo of hospitalidad experiencia cu one trayecto cu is more cu 25 year largo, owing to serve because; gerente of hotel for her resort by 2007, y because; gerente general activo for her ultimo nine lunanan. awo, in his rol oficial new, roy will supervisa the operacionnan daily paper, for of the prestacion of throw y mercadeo for servicionan of huespet y much more. click read more for more informacion...... "richard owing to play one rol integral in the transicion of the resort for her flag of westin because; gerente of hotel," was the words of graeme davis, vice chairman of operacionnan in the region of south y caribe. "el owing to haci tremendo contribucionnan at the renobacionnan cu did take luga recientemente y at programanan new cu owing to eleva the experiencia of the resort in the ultimo two añanan here, y we can see fast on his exitonan continuo because; we gerente general new." first cu past owing to cuminsa work at westin resort, aruba, cu his 481 cambernan, roy owing to serve because; one gerente of hotel for the westin la cantera resort at san antonio, texas, y was director of operacionnan for the westin buckhead atlanta. roy owing to cuminsa his carera of casi 10 year cu starwood hotels & resorts because; director of operacionnan y director of food and beverage at the sheraton music city hotel at nashville, tennessee. also at nashville, roy owing to ocupa posicionnan cu ruth’s chris steak house, y owing to happen more cu diezcinco year cu gaylord entertainment. roy, one acolyte of the aruba hotel and tourism association (ahata), is one so calling "certified food and beverage executive" (cfbe) y one graduado of the culinary institute or america. for reservacionnan at the resort or more informacion, calling 5864466 or visit www.westinaruba.com. situa on seven acre y mey among the santonan blanco of palm beach y rondona for hardinnan deluxe y palmanan high, the westin resort, aruba is one resort recientemente renoba cu is count ; cu 481 camber of huespet y suite deluxe, eight restaurant y lounge, the casablanca casino of clase mundial, one variedad of actividad, spa y golf in sercania. the resort is ofrece more of 20,000 leg cuadra of espacio flexibel inside y pafo specialmente for funcionnan. the resort is situa only seven mile for of queen beatrix international airport y cinco mile for of the centro of oranjestad.

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12943/5/



Papiamentu translation:

westin resort, aruba owing to named after richard roy because;

gerente general sunday, 18 october 2009 - 13:24

westin resort, aruba is contento of can anuncia the promocion of richard roy for her posicion of gerente general. roy, one ehecutivo of hospitalidad experiencia cu one trayecto cu is more cu 25 year largo, owing to serve because; gerente of hotel for her resort by 2007, y because; gerente general activo for her ultimo nine lunanan. awo, in his rol oficial new, roy will supervisa the operacionnan daily paper, for of the prestacion of throw y mercadeo for servicionan of huespet y much more. click read more for more informacion...... "richard owing to play one rol integral in the transicion of the resort for her flag of westin because; gerente of hotel," was the words of graeme davis, vice chairman of operacionnan in the region of south y caribe. "el owing to haci tremendo contribucionnan at the renobacionnan cu did take luga recientemente y at programanan new cu owing to eleva the experiencia of the resort in the ultimo two añanan here, y we can see fast on his exitonan continuo because; we gerente general new." first cu past owing to cuminsa work at westin resort, aruba, cu his 481 cambernan, roy owing to serve because; one gerente of hotel for the westin la cantera resort at san antonio, texas, y was director of operacionnan for the westin buckhead atlanta. roy owing to cuminsa his carera of casi 10 year cu starwood hotels & resorts because; director of operacionnan y director of food and beverage at the sheraton music city hotel at nashville, tennessee. also at nashville, roy owing to ocupa posicionnan cu ruth’s chris steak house, y owing to happen more cu diezcinco year cu gaylord entertainment. roy, one acolyte of the aruba hotel and tourism association (ahata), is one so calling "certified food and beverage executive" (cfbe) y one graduado of the culinary institute or america. for reservacionnan at the resort or more informacion, calling 5864466 or visit www.westinaruba.com. situa on seven acre y mey among the santonan blanco of palm beach y rondona for hardinnan deluxe y palmanan high, the westin resort, aruba is one resort recientemente renoba cu is count ; cu 481 camber of huespet y suite deluxe, eight restaurant y lounge, the casablanca casino of clase mundial, one variedad of actividad, spa y golf in sercania. the resort is ofrece more of 20,000 leg cuadra of espacio flexibel inside y pafo specialmente for funcionnan. the resort is situa only seven mile for of queen beatrix international airport y cinco mile for of the centro of oranjestad.

I'm pretty sure this article says the same thing as the article (English) that I posted in AHATA thread at the beginning of the month.   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5523.msg954629#msg954629

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/12943/5/



Papiamentu translation:

westin resort, aruba owing to named after richard roy because;

gerente general sunday, 18 october 2009 - 13:24

westin resort, aruba is contento of can anuncia the promocion of richard roy for her posicion of gerente general. roy, one ehecutivo of hospitalidad experiencia cu one trayecto cu is more cu 25 year largo, owing to serve because; gerente of hotel for her resort by 2007, y because; gerente general activo for her ultimo nine lunanan. awo, in his rol oficial new, roy will supervisa the operacionnan daily paper, for of the prestacion of throw y mercadeo for servicionan of huespet y much more. click read more for more informacion...... "richard owing to play one rol integral in the transicion of the resort for her flag of westin because; gerente of hotel," was the words of graeme davis, vice chairman of operacionnan in the region of south y caribe. "el owing to haci tremendo contribucionnan at the renobacionnan cu did take luga recientemente y at programanan new cu owing to eleva the experiencia of the resort in the ultimo two añanan here, y we can see fast on his exitonan continuo because; we gerente general new." first cu past owing to cuminsa work at westin resort, aruba, cu his 481 cambernan, roy owing to serve because; one gerente of hotel for the westin la cantera resort at san antonio, texas, y was director of operacionnan for the westin buckhead atlanta. roy owing to cuminsa his carera of casi 10 year cu starwood hotels & resorts because; director of operacionnan y director of food and beverage at the sheraton music city hotel at nashville, tennessee. also at nashville, roy owing to ocupa posicionnan cu ruth’s chris steak house, y owing to happen more cu diezcinco year cu gaylord entertainment. roy, one acolyte of the aruba hotel and tourism association (ahata), is one so calling "certified food and beverage executive" (cfbe) y one graduado of the culinary institute or america. for reservacionnan at the resort or more informacion, calling 5864466 or visit www.westinaruba.com. situa on seven acre y mey among the santonan blanco of palm beach y rondona for hardinnan deluxe y palmanan high, the westin resort, aruba is one resort recientemente renoba cu is count ; cu 481 camber of huespet y suite deluxe, eight restaurant y lounge, the casablanca casino of clase mundial, one variedad of actividad, spa y golf in sercania. the resort is ofrece more of 20,000 leg cuadra of espacio flexibel inside y pafo specialmente for funcionnan. the resort is situa only seven mile for of queen beatrix international airport y cinco mile for of the centro of oranjestad.

I'm pretty sure this article says the same thing as the article (English) that I posted in AHATA thread at the beginning of the month.   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5523.msg954629#msg954629

Did it have a picture?   

[2NJSons_Mom]

 

[texasmom]

10/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 32

http://awemainta.com/home/



Papiamentu translation:

the bad propaganda for aruba music festival ladronnan of car owing to steal several car v- wagen, majority of tourist for pluma

they the fenomeno cu is cabando cu we turism t’e avalancha of hortamento of car, principalmente the autonan cu turistanan is huur.

in the end of week one great cantidad of car again owing to being steal y pluma. the aroma amargo cu the turistanan is stay after of the acto here y also compañaa p’e golpi financiero cu they're achieve on they credit card is place they cu they will not return we island more.

y hour they go back they country the malpropaganda cu this is cause the will is catastrophic for we industry turistico, cu t’e unique pilar cu owing to stay of we economia.

gobierno not owing to haci n the t n the t n owing to d owing to n and for change ley or aumenta castigonan p’asina esnan cu is comete the fechorianan here feel one castigo much largo y so people for much time will have one paz y trankilidad of type of casonan so.

as wait for y we is assure cu we amigo mr. drs. arthur dowers assure will bay actua y will bay haci the cambionan p’asina debolbe autoridad at police for actua y so ofrece we island trankilidad y confianza bek in we sistema hudicial.

much of the autonan steal was rond of aruba entertainment center, hour cu turistanan was disfruta of the concierto, y ladronnan was steal autonan cu they owing to huur, contribuyendo so at we economia. come across

[texasmom]

10/13/2009 Awe Mainta Page 6

http://awemainta.com/home/



Papiamentu translation:

anciana asesina, is family of governor refunjol gobierno new his prioridad is for re- establece tranquilidad y seguridad bek in people of acuerdo cu formador mike eman

yesterday morning, formador mr. mike eman owing to open week, teniendo one conferencia of prensa fast of bestuurskantoor, for give informacion con the week owing to bay y kico is wait for the week here. at first lugar, mike eman owing to feel necesidad of comenta on the caso of asesinato cu did take lugar saturday at savaneta, cu owing to costa life of sra. dorothy adelle hassell, of 73 year in his own cas. one another acto criminal, cu owing to stay very comenta.

of acuerdo cu mike eman, in end of week the had contacto also cu governor refunjol, that is family of the fayecida, cu of acuerdo cu we informacion, is madrina of governor freddy refunjol. the incidente here did take lugar practicamente fast of cas of governor y esey is ilustra con earnest criminalidad owing to become now at aruba.

where a big, indefenso, that as all indicacion is show, owing to become victima of one caso of atraco. at family hassell, mike eman owing to send his words of condolencia y igualmente condolencia at family of governor freddy refunjol.

so cu gobierno new sit, según mike eman, one of the cosnan cu assure have to take lugar, is of bay atende cu criminalidad at we country. so therefore.e. during of campaña electoral, según mike eman, the self was witness of the caso of sra. d’isle, that the conoce of infancia, that live at caminda big y is one person cu is come cu 2, 3 key, for open one porch cu one time was completamente open, comparti the life pound, already do not existi.

personanan in we country, cu is haci the beautiful escogencia of wanted follow live, but they only, bibando in they cas, but ultimamente they not have tranquilidad. pesey gobierno have to bay percura for they seguridad, según mike eman y pesey one of the prioridadnan is for re-establece the tranquilidad y seguridad bek at aruba. although not have one country, cu is without criminalidad, but bao of gobierno of nel oduber this owing to come is aumenta, without cu dicho gobierno owing to haci just nothing for stop or mengua this, según mike eman.

[2NJSons_Mom]

    I wish my Papiamento skills had picked up by now.  Thanks, TM.

[texasmom]

10/16/2009 Awe Mainta Page 26

http://awemainta.com/home/



Papiamentu translation:

“mi anshanan owing to calma in my, my curason owing to become all trankil, as one child cu owing to end of drink and is sleep in scochi of his mama” “serca sir i am at peace as one child serca his mother.”

owing to fayece trágicamente:

dorothy adele colina-hassell

vda. of + pedro colina ex secretaria of president of lago

at name of his yiu: jenny colina y mirto stamper

nieto: chris stamper y emily berkley

nieta: christal stamper same cu

yiu: cedric hassell y family

rumannan: esmy hassell y family at the netherlands

jim hassell y family at saba

bernice hassell y family at saba

swa: rosendo colina y wife maria y family
+ dionisio colina y family

cuñanan: sra. vda. carmen angela y yiunan
sra. vda. lucrecia wever y yiunan
sofia y husband didi donker y yiunan
nibia y husband eddy gomez y child
sra. vda. colati colina y family
sra. vda. rosita colina y family
sra. vda. maria refunjol y family
sra. vda. thelma colina y family
+ sra. concepción wever y family

suegro: alberto stamper, sra y family

sobrino y sobrinanan, primo y primanan, ihanan, bisiñanan,
amigo y conocirnan ex coleganan of lago
legion of maria savaneta

ihanan: willem dunlock, janine geurtsen- arends

amigo(a)nan of cas: elsie dunlock, mevr. hoen y family, obri leslie, tico thode, vincencia, violant

famia: colina, hassell, stamper, johnson, dunlock, angela, wever, henriquez, refunjol, haayen, faneyte, donker, gomez, tromp, vrolijk, thode, ho, berkley, jansen,wathey, lacle v/d linden, schwengle, bisslik, arends, de kort, de cuba y other family.

we disculpa if during we tristeza we can owing to forget name of one or another family and conocir. is invita all neighbour, amigo y conocirnan for asisti at the acto of burial cual is take lugar

saturday 17 of oktober for 4’or of nightfall at catholic holy curazon at savaneta y después saliendo for cemetery catolico at savaneta.

the curpa of we querida dorothy will is reposa for of 2’or of nightfall at catholic holy curazon at savaneta.

adres for condolencia: savaneta 339 h 7’or pm – 9’or pm

[texasmom]

   I wish my Papiamento skills had picked up by now.  Thanks, TM.

  Here's what I think they say (short version) 

My interpretation only:

A lot of tourist's cars were stolen and/or vandalized while they attended the Music Festival, and since most of the insurance policies don't cover the damage, the tourist's will more than likely find huge charges to their credit cards when they get back home; and they'll never go back to Aruba.

Mike Eman was expressing his sympathy to the Governor about the murder of his relative (not sure how she is related...mother in law?...wife's aunt?....I think she also lived across the street from them.  He was also talking about the crime and how bad it is...and that he is going to do his best to change that and make Aruba safe again.

Next...

I'll be back after I give a couple sheltie baths!   

[Tamikosmom]

1.  Why did Patrick van der Eem not question Joran's changing stories in regards to the shoes?

January 13, 2008 or January 15, 2008 Recording

Transcript:

P. The only thing I believe is that there is something with these shoes that you don't want people to see.

J. No, of course not. I still have these shoes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0


January 29, 2008 Recording

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea. After that he visits Joran at his home, he has an apartment in the garden of his parent’s house, to talk about what happened. Joran tells Daury he walked back home and hid his shoes in a storm drain.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Transcript:

Joran:  These shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. On the way to there... on the way to home.

Patrick: You just took them off.
 
Joran: No, on the way to there, you have these puts (drains or manholes).
 
Patrick: Riolering (storm drains) or something.
 
Joran: Yes


2.  Why did Patrick van der Eem not question Joran's changing stories regarding the boat and the involvment of a third person?

January 13, 2008 Recording

Joran says that the friend who helped him wanted to go to the police. Joran didn’t want that. Then the friend called a third person and after that told Joran to go home and that everything would be arranged. Joran says that he though the friend called for a boat.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2981.0


January 29, 2008 Recording

How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Joran phones a person named ‘Daury’ who is half Dutch and half Aruban. A couple of other times Joran talks about the fact that he was helped by several other people that night.  Daury has a boat docked in front of the hotel in which he takes cruise tourists on ‘tubes’ and ‘bananas’.  Daury came instantly to Joran and together they quickly declared that Natalee was in fact dead.

Together they carried the girl from the beach into Daury’s boat. Daury tells Joran to walk home. He, the friend, takes off onto the ocean where he throws Natalee’s body out of the boat into the sea.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm


Transcript:

Joran:  His boat was standing there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat .
 
Patrick:  Lifted her up.
 
Joran: Yes, the two of us just quickly.
 
Patrick:   And nobody saw you then either?
 
Joran:  Nobody.
 
Patrick:  Yes, but it is near the Marriott, these boats there?
 
Joran: Yes, but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.  Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.
 
Patrick:  Probably think someone is drunk.
 
Joran:  They do not pay attention at all.


3.  I do believe that Peter Devries should have listened to all the tape recordings of Joran's "confession" prior to going on the talk show circuit.  Joran was not consistent in his words regarding the disposal of Natalee's body and the issue encompassing the shoes

NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

DE VRIES: ... He told -- he did a full confession on tape, not once, not twice but more than ten times. And he did -- there were some days between it. And they were very detailed, and so I`m convince that he told the truth.

Until now, Joran always denied that Natalee died in his presence, and now he confessed that. And he told what he did with the body, and he told how he came home, what he did with his shoes. It`s the complete story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html


4.  Why did Peter Devries indicate to Greta that all the recordings of Joran's confession were consistence?

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

[Keepthefaith]

It would be interesting to see unedited versions of all the car trips!No?

[Tamikosmom]

It would be interesting to see unedited versions of all the car trips!No?

I agree Keepthefaith.

Janet

[texasmom]

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/madrina

Madrina=Godmother

[Keepthefaith]

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/madrina

Madrina=Godmother

TM is a Madrina...

[Tamikosmom]

TIM TRAHAN

Holloway searchers need help
Thursday, February 28, 2008 | 8:21 PM

A relentless search Schafer and his team say will stop, if they don't get more funding.

"And we all feel, I'm speaking from everybody on the team, that she's in one of the targets we have not looked at yet," Tim Trahan of Underwater Expeditions said. "We can't stop. I go to sleep at night thinking we've located it, we just need to get to it."

The search of the rest of those targets will stop this week. For more information on how you can help,

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951


BETH HOLLOWAY

Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006

... If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=3&null=null

[wreck]

That is absolutely the trouble here. No one (that I'm aware of) has seen/heard EVERY one of the Devries/Patrick tapes in their entirety and un-cut version. Quotes have been taken out of context and we just don't know every voice inflection and "sarcasm" comments. We jump to a lot of conclusions.

[2NJSons_Mom]

   I wish my Papiamento skills had picked up by now.  Thanks, TM.

  Here's what I think they say (short version) 

My interpretation only:

A lot of tourist's cars were stolen and/or vandalized while they attended the Music Festival, and since most of the insurance policies don't cover the damage, the tourist's will more than likely find huge charges to their credit cards when they get back home; and they'll never go back to Aruba.

Mike Eman was expressing his sympathy to the Governor about the murder of his relative (not sure how she is related...mother in law?...wife's aunt?....I think she also lived across the street from them.  He was also talking about the crime and how bad it is...and that he is going to do his best to change that and make Aruba safe again.

Next...

I'll be back after I give a couple sheltie baths!   

Thank you.   

[Keepthefaith]

That is absolutely the trouble here. No one (that I'm aware of) has seen/heard EVERY one of the Devries/Patrick tapes in their entirety and un-cut version. Quotes have been taken out of context and we just don't know every voice inflection and "sarcasm" comments. We jump to a lot of conclusions.

I would be interested to know if Peter R Devried has givin all unedited copies to American authorities?One would think he'd be more then happy to have done that.No?Do we know if this has occured?

[wreck]

That is absolutely the trouble here. No one (that I'm aware of) has seen/heard EVERY one of the Devries/Patrick tapes in their entirety and un-cut version. Quotes have been taken out of context and we just don't know every voice inflection and "sarcasm" comments. We jump to a lot of conclusions.

I would be interested to know if Peter R Devried has givin all unedited copies to American authorities?One would think he'd be more then happy to have done that.No?Do we know if this has occured?

Good point -- we just don't know. I still have faith in Kermit and her revealations, but alas -- we are still in the dark here!