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steve
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on October 12, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
What is behind that gate? Can you go inside as in some type of cave?
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Quote from: steve on October 13, 2007, 09:02:20 AM
It's a tourist stop
To view the huge boulders and view of Aruba
It's just north of Hooiberg
It has been described as a maze/network of "paved roads
that are off an unpaved road"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayo_Rock_Formations
I'm wondering if someone had a key to this locked gate at night
I suppose you could say this area fits to some degree but we must look at exactly wht Shango has said:
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:41 pm
One straight path
to the
house
of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
Shango said the
key to the Hague
did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the
house with the path
But not of gold
is entered
[/b]
I don't know much about Shango, but if you choose to take him literally in some of his descriptions, then you have to answer the question of whether there is a house or structure in this area that could be used for parties of some type. Shango clearly(well about as clear as Shango ever gets with his riddles) indicates that a structure must be entered. Does this place meet that criteria?
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Follow the music
into the maze
the lions know they are being stalked
the gamblers and other Rollers talk
tell the cowboys!
The above passage indicates you have to follow a maze of some type. This place could indeed be considered a maze, as you describe it as maze. Is there a location within these rock formations that have concerts or a place for music? Does that mean there is a source of electricity available in this area that allows for that. Is it completely modernized for the convienence of the tourists? Is there an area set aside where certain people go and is only known by a few?
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to
walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking
Again, Shango fits into many scenarios. Nothing ever seems to fit completely, no matter how much you try, so maybe the riddles are just parts of the whole. It's the piecing together that is do difficult. I find your idea intriguing, yet I still have more questions than answers. With those paths, you indeed must walk through a maze of sorts.
The only passage of crytic messages that I am able to find that fits better than most is this one and it's not Shango:
Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna
has spoken about
.
Keep working on it Steve, I am interested.
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Tunnels at Ayo
http://www.fodors.com/miniguides/mgresults.cfm?destination=sacramento@13&cur_section=sig&property_id=444113
Fits Shango's description of a Bohemian Grove type outdoor place
with rituals, secrets..."The fire's are burning"
The St. John's Fires are lit on June 24th.
He seems to be describing two places:
1- Unpaved road made of gold bricks (drugs)
2- house with the path But not of gold
My guess is Lorenzo's rave party & an outdoor area
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Quote from: steve on October 13, 2007, 12:56:10 PM
Tunnels at Ayo
http://www.fodors.com/miniguides/mgresults.cfm?destination=sacramento@13&cur_section=sig&property_id=444113
Fits Shango's description of a Bohemian Grove type outdoor place
with rituals, secrets..."The fire's are burning"
The St. John's Fires are lit on June 24th.
He seems to be describing two places:
1- Unpaved road made of gold bricks (drugs)
2- house with the path But not of gold
My guess is Lorenzo's rave party & an outdoor area
Please elaborate on the gold bricks=drugs connection. I would like to see how you made that connection. I won't disagree with anything you have said so far...any guess is as good as the next. How does Lorenzo fit into this scenario? Are you saying Lorenzo had a party in this area? How did you make that connection. As I said, I am very curious. Thanks.
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OOOPS! I forget this question, Steve, sorry. Are you saying they burn those St. John fires in that location specifically or just in general? TIA
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on October 13, 2007, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: steve on October 13, 2007, 12:56:10 PM
Tunnels at Ayo
http://www.fodors.com/miniguides/mgresults.cfm?destination=sacramento@13&cur_section=sig&property_id=444113
Fits Shango's description of a Bohemian Grove type outdoor place
with rituals, secrets..."The fire's are burning"
The St. John's Fires are lit on June 24th.
He seems to be describing two places:
1- Unpaved road made of gold bricks (drugs)
2- house with the path But not of gold
My guess is Lorenzo's rave party & an outdoor area
Please elaborate on the gold bricks=drugs connection. I would like to see how you made that connection. I won't disagree with anything you have said so far...any guess is as good as the next. How does Lorenzo fit into this scenario? Are you saying Lorenzo had a party in this area? How did you make that connection. As I said, I am very curious. Thanks.
Lala's -- I'm not Steve, but I'm pretty sure that 'brick' and 'gold' are common terms in drug trade.
I've heard 'gold' used kind of like a 'grade' of pot. Or type. Columbian gold, Mexican gold. I'm not sure if it pertains to other drugs as well.
And 'brick' is a unit. I've heard it used it connection with pot. I think I've also heard it used in reference to heroin? Not sure.
Anyway -- when Lorenzo got busted, that 'tune went thru my head'
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of
gold bricks
the road is not paved
jmo
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October 14, 2007, 12:18:07 AM »
Quote from: Lala'sMom on October 13, 2007, 03:37:53 PM
OOOPS! I forget this question, Steve, sorry. Are you saying they burn those St. John fires in that location specifically or just in general? TIA
On June 17 and 18 both Shango & Simian are posting "The fires are lit"
It just makes sense to me that bonfires, rituals
would be practiced out in the open at night.
Ayo Rock Formations would be a gated, secure, hidden area.
ArubaGirl writes-http://thepancollective.typepad.com/thepancollective/2006/06/there_is_smoke_.html
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October 14, 2007, 12:21:11 AM »
I just noticed that one of the last posts by Shango is the word OMERTA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omerta
Even if somebody is condemned for a crime he has not committed, he is supposed to serve the sentence without giving the police any information about the real criminal.
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October 14, 2007, 12:26:49 AM »
Quote from: steve on October 14, 2007, 12:18:07 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on October 13, 2007, 03:37:53 PM
OOOPS! I forget this question, Steve, sorry. Are you saying they burn those St. John fires in that location specifically or just in general? TIA
On June 17 and 18 both Shango & Simian are posting "The fires are lit"
It just makes sense to me that bonfires, rituals
would be practiced out in the open at night.
Ayo Rock Formations would be a gated, secure, hidden area.
ArubaGirl writes-http://thepancollective.typepad.com/thepancollective/2006/06/there_is_smoke_.html
I thought theses fires were all over the island on that night of St. John. I, of course, am no expert on this ritual. In fact, I am confused as to why they even have it. Certainly, this would be a good place to have this.
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October 14, 2007, 03:07:47 AM »
if you lose in blackjack, who wins? the house......
the "path" is to the maze....isolate the times it is used for context
"why did the girl owe money?".....that is the path to the maze....she spent her nights at their tables
a casino is "while of gold bricks"......Casablanca has a car as a prize.....but the road (not the path) is not paved
to find the right path, open the "window overlooking Babylon"
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October 14, 2007, 01:28:04 PM »
ArubaGirl's "St. John's Fires"
fire
There is smoke in the air tonight, together with flames of bright red and yellow contrasted against the dark starry sky.
No, Aruba didn't suddenly turn into a group of pyromaniacs, it's Saint John's Day, or Dia di San Juan as we say here. While that sounds very Catholic, our native ancestors left a mark on it by incoorperating a distinctive pagan ritual, burying the rooster (Dera Gai). Another tradition is to build bonfires. These can turn massive, and the fire department will have their hands full tonight.
Nowadays no roosters are harmed in the celebrating of this festival. Instead a fake rooster is put in the middle of a circle. This circle is formed by dancing men and women clad in bright red and yellows, the colors of fire. One person is blindfolded and tries to hit the "rooster". The people in the circle sing:
San Juan ta bin, San Juan ta bai/Ate cu e palo den su man (Saint John comes, Saint John goes/There he is with the stick in his hand)
It's a very simple song, but it is one of the few 19th century local songs that is still known.
I like this festival a lot because it celebrates how two cultures merged and produced something new.That's something that modern Aruba could learn a lot from.
Posted by arubagirl on June 24, 2006
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October 15, 2007, 02:34:47 PM »
Quote from: steve on October 14, 2007, 12:21:11 AM
I just noticed that one of the last posts by Shango is the word OMERTA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omerta
Even if somebody is condemned for a crime he has not committed, he is supposed to serve the sentence without giving the police any information about the real criminal.
This is interesting. Which post by Shango contains this word? I thought I had all of them but I guess not. Can you give us a copy of that post by Shango?
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October 15, 2007, 04:46:50 PM »
Quote from: steve on October 14, 2007, 12:21:11 AM
I just noticed that one of the last posts by Shango is the word OMERTA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omerta
Even if somebody is condemned for a crime he has not committed, he is supposed to serve the sentence without giving the police any information about the real criminal.
Is this from the lasts posts supposedly by Shango that were located at another forum? I forget which one it was. I will see if I can find the link later tonight. They were posted in August, I think.
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Having read previous posts, and not being the world's best at Shango/Simian...just wanted to share my impression when I just started to read Freebirds p.2 on the NH thread.
87: Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 9:41 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
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SOMEONE KNOWS THE TRUTH
None of us here just fell off the turnip truck. - Magnolia
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October 16, 2007, 08:23:36 PM »
Anybody see that movie "CASINO?"
And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden
whispers
, plans for the future.
OMERTA
All of Shango's information comes from the higher power, Olorum
Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company
Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.
(keeness of hearing, sight, INTELLECT)
Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth.
Shango does not dance with the lions and looks from afar, viewing remotely with the third eye of god.
All has been seen from afar
and
whispered
by olorum to an earthbound son
If a bird
whispers
an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!
Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.
When olorum speaks, lesser gods
listen
but do not ask how it is they
hear
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Quote from: COLOMBO on October 16, 2007, 08:23:36 PM
Anybody see that movie "CASINO?"
And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden
whispers
, plans for the future.
OMERTA
All of Shango's information comes from the higher power, Olorum
Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company
Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.
(keeness of hearing, sight, INTELLECT)
Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth.
Shango does not dance with the lions and looks from afar, viewing remotely with the third eye of god.
All has been seen from afar
and
whispered
by olorum to an earthbound son
If a bird
whispers
an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!
Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.
When olorum speaks, lesser gods
listen
but do not ask how it is they
hear
Never saw the movie...explain, please.
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Although I saw part of the movie, I cannot say I remember it very well....I'm with Lala's and would like a clearer explanation....Casino, Chicago, Mafia, Payouts, Drugs, Drink....Posner???
Still don't understand the Shango connection unless it's symbolism.
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Accidentally found a "
level seven
":
Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the
seven levels
of inferno
who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
Enter the Maze.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:56 pm
Shango is the god of justice
alive in many forms
he who speaks through Oxum through lightning
and himself through thunder
father of the violent dance
diviner of secrets of the
seven levels
of inferno
bound to truth even as it burns
so that justice may be brought.
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
Only those who cRave music go into the Maze
=====================
LEVEL SEVEN COMPANIES
=================
TECHNE DATA *
LEVEL SEVEN DESIGN
internet and network consulting * computational linguistics
new media technologies * for non-governmental
information technology research * organisations (NGOs)
--------------------------------------------------------------
TECHNEX * TERRA PUBLISHING ARUBA
e-commerce, chipcard, internet and* publisher of ECO ARUBA
satcom access technologies * and ECO ARUBA On-line
====================
LEVEL SEVEN ORGANISATIONS
=============
http://www.rainbowwarriors.org
* LEVEL SEVEN
Sustainable Development and Human * technology transfer and
Rights for Small Island Developing* resource development
States and Indigenous Peoples * services for NGOs
==============================================================
>>
level.seven
@setarnet.aw POBOX 1154, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA <<
Link that has links that go nowhere:
http://www.rainbowwarriors.org/sids/la-car/aruba/index.html
Founder Milton Ponson
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October 19, 2007, 01:39:15 PM »
Buckeye....looks like that rainbowwarriors.org copyright or whatever expired in 2006...Source text:
<META http-equiv="copyright" content="Rainbow Warriors International - 2000-2006">
<META http-equiv="expires" content="December 31, 2006>
Also, that Ponson name is another common one....ballplayer, this guy Milton....seems I've seen it posted for AHATA or something else...but not sure it connects with Shango/Simian...will have to look around.
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SOMEONE KNOWS THE TRUTH
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He was mentioned in a FP article back in May of 06 in the portion I've quoted:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/05/26/
Milton Ponson, leading man of Rainbow Warriors International, sounded the alarm.
Somebody informed him that AAA had granted almost all the concessions to the companies of Richard Lacle. He says that the AAA has violated the rules for tender. That was reason for Rudy Lampe (RED) to question the matter. Apparently, Lacle is connected with possible penal offences, like money laundering and fraud. The American justice suspects him of laundering government money via all sorts of devious channels and of committing fraud with the build of the Piarco airport in Trinidad, and with Calmaquip that was involved with the renovation of the Reina Beatrix airport. Lampe is of the opinion that due to the above suspicions, this person should not be considered at all for concessions.
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SOMEONE KNOWS THE TRUTH
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===> Sierra Lamar, 15yrs old, Morgan Hill, CA Missing Since March 16, 2012
===> JO ANN (JODIE) BAIN AND 3 DAUGHTERS MISSING 4/27/2012(2 murdered 2 safe)
===> Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found)
===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
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===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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