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Hi Monkeys & Guest,

I know you are aware of the yellow tape found at TC, another monkey mentioned that yellow tape may be common.
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artharris.com

Sources close to the case tell me investigators asked Tommy Croslin’s wife, Lindsay, for permission to search the home she once shared with Croslin’s parents for evidence and she agreed. That’s where the yellow rope was found, sources tell me. Lindsay could not be reached for comment. Read the rest of this entry »

Investigator Mr. Brown mentioned in a day or two he expected an arrest, acccording to Mr.B's interview.

How much information did the glean from Junior?  According to Mr.B "he knows what happened in that trailor that night"

the only way he would know is from Junior, the child would be the only one who could tell the truth.

Whew never thought we would get here

made the jump and stole it again!

::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Finally..son went on school field trip and were supposed to be home at 7, then 8, then 8:30 so I missed the "smackdown" ::MonkeyTongue::

Grandmas were there and then Chelsea called up, and said there were loose pills laying around the house.

Thanks Muffy!

Wonder if this is the version they are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Placid_(film)

Lake Placid is a 1999 American/Canadian monster movie with elements of comedy, horror, romance and the buddy genre. It was written and produced by David E. Kelley, directed by Steve Miner, and stars Bill Pullman, Bridget Fonda, Brendan Gleeson, Oliver Platt, and Betty White. The plot revolves around two giant, 30-foot-long man-eating crocodiles which terrorize the fictional location of Black Lake, Maine, United States, and also follows the dysfunctional group who attempt to capture or destroy the creatures.

The film was produced by Fox 2000 Pictures and Stan Winston Studios (which did the special effects for the creatures) and principal photography was shot in British Columbia, Canada. The film was distributed by 20th Century Fox and released in cinemas in the United States on July 16, 1999, and in the United Kingdom on March 31, 2000.[2]

Despite some good reviews, critical reception to the film was generally mixed to negative. However, the film was still a financial success at the box office and it spawned two made-for-television sequels, Lake Placid 2 in 2007 and Lake Placid 3 in 2010.

Wow I hated leaving that thread for so many reasons.  Justice for Haleigh Monkeys! 

Yes I think so

let us hope that this will be the last thread that we are on with Haleigh still missing...

Just got home from work, I hear Flor asked the question I asked her too, didnt get much of and answer tho, oh well, Im gonna watch it now,

You've never seen Lake Placid?  Even Betty White was in that movie!  ha ha ha!

just want to say - Haleigh is such a lovely and beautiful little girl that - well, that's why so many are still here. And to mention the injustice she has suffered at the hands of those that proclaim to love her make me dig my heels in.

It always makes me proud to know I have friends that stick up for the weakest and people like Caylee, Haleigh, Natalee, and even Ray Gricar (who was missing for five years this week). We never forget!

It is always my pleasure to be associated with the Monks and Monkettes.   ::MonkeyAngel::

::MonkeyShocked::

Color me shocked N O T ::MonkeyNoNo:: Dopers do that, I remember having to ban a family member from my home after they I would find random pills around the house, on floor, cabinets you name it ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Amen to that Sister.

Wow a few more nights of NG and we'll get a whole new scenario!

I haven't hear anything on Ray in ages, wan't he the DA IIRC, who went missing and they found his red convertible and hard drive in the river?? Going from the top of my head, so hope those notes are correct.

Sadly so many have no voice anymore ::MonkeyAngel::

I have someone like that - I police big time if and when they visit.  Don't need the cats eating crap.  Mine is legally on about 25 different perscriptions thanks to our VA system.

Flora dropped an H-Bomb - in her true Flo style. It was chilling
to say the least. Made me sick.


Said Misty told her Joe and Tommy were in another room with Haliegh.

Haliegh was screaming.

Misty in bedroom with covers over her head in fear. Doing nothing.

Heard the couch bouncing noises.

Hi islandmonkey.

I hope you had a good time.

A repeat of Nancy Grace is on HLN right now.  The Haleigh segment will begin in about 15 minutes.

Janet
7:15 PM PT

Unbelievable isn't it, mine was on legal too due to drug dr's everywhere. As a matter of fact I had a recent Dr appt, and since I've moved to FL, I admit I have only gone twice for my heart issues, well this was last week and I told him I had a disc problem with my back, guess what he prescribed..............drum roll 180 10 mg Vicodin a month, I almost fell on the floor. I have teetered on whether to report him to the FL BD, since he didn't even order an MRI or Cat-Scan.  ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks Janet ::MonkeyAngel:: Sadly I had to work, but my son had a blast-they left at 5am and just got back, went to the Mission, Capitol, met with legislators and the caverns....LOL~his favorite spot was on the floor at the Capitol talking to the representatives ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Sick Bitach.......I swear if I were Crystal I would have already beat the chit out of Misty AND Ron for spinning all the lies, but that's just me ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

If that happened as she said, I'd have put a hollow point in whomever was hurting HaLeigh

 ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyKiss::

one time, along time ago, RED was asked why the name scared monkeys. And I don't remember the exact reason, but I do remember it was something that made me a lifelong member. (I think I said that he and Tom were geeks and ran up trees away from their bullies) .. LOL Red, quickly shot that down and explained the meaning.

He said something like - Monkeys work together for the greater good. I know someone will find that post and bring it all into perspective, but being new to SM all the way back then - it was a little political blog that grew and changed the blogoshere.

I was member number nine and relished and enjoy that I have been here all that time. I hope that everyone who comes into contact with us not only helps to find missing persons but share some of the political values. If you are only here for missing persons - that's all that matters. Missing persons transcends all political values and I hope that everyone feels at home here.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Wow!  The VA doc's are no better in this drug problem we have going on, trust me on that one.  I love it when they ask how many pills you are on and you tell them none and they look at you like your a bug after a certain age.  lol.

Well, if Misty loved Haleigh 'like she was one of her own', then they need to get that lil biotch spayed.  IMO

I agree, they just want $$ and to get you out and the next patient in ::MonkeyNoNo:: I can't even imagine what 180 pills of anything would cost a month ::MonkeyShocked::

Needless to say I will be finding a new DR

Cough Cough...Maybe some conservative values not political values.  Luv me some Monkeys tho!

Flo told me today that Hank and Lisa had called her too, omg, this has all gotten out of control big time.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

And thank you,, Muffy.  It was bedtime here and I missed your post.

 ::CowboySmiley::

Oh my goodness!  LMAO!

Yup.

Me too, I don't know how I'd have made it thru this last yr without my monkeys ::MonkeyAngel:: and you know who you are ::MonkeyBike::

Carpe meant to say TY because I heard it too and just could not bring myself to put it into words yet. 

nite nite furballs  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Please tell me this latest story is not true.

night... sleep tight, Rob.

So they were over there looking before LE got there?  Not good - GGMS.  Now why would you admit to that one on National Television? 

I pray to God it's not, but we all know is happens ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: and some know personally, but I prefer to believe it was an OD......never thought I'd say I would think an OD was a better way, but in this case my heart is broke listening to that story, and if true they should line every one up and shoot them. Who in the he77 would allow that to happen to a innocent child, I would have risked my own life to protect her and to be honest I think I could prolly kick their skinny @sses myself.

I sure hope not. Yet, I do realize that it could turn out that way.

I just boil over with anger at the thought of how anyone could

treat a small defenseless little girl that way.

These creatures need to get got, that`s all that keeps

cycling through my brain.

mee too, there would have been a real knock down drag out, I would have went crazy, this is so sad...

AMEN~ and after hearing Ron say that he would basically make sure JR never left him on that tape even if that meant........he should be lined up in that group too, and if and when he's out he should never be allowed to have a gun much less an assault rifle. He is a thug and I've said so since the very first day, I' d want to make sure he was never around any child again  ::MonkeyMad:: They aren't worth the air they breathe IMO

It's sickening.  I would of wanted anything but this so I am praying also.  I still can't express my anger if that is what happened to Haleigh.

Did she say "when"Hank and Lisa called her or "what" they said?

I agree with all of you.

When did gumma hear this version?   Why didn't Jr. have any recall of sissy crying out and huddling under covers with MC?
Within days, MC is back to hanging with family as if nothing happened.  Not once did she give a drug/alcohol induced boohoo fest about something bad happening?
I'm so cynical, I don't believe any of it.

I have to say that Peter Odom laughing at NG was cute.  I think I like him.

TY a voice of reason.  That would of been a very traumatic event for Jr as well he would of remembered that.

Shoemaker was laughing his a$$ off  when NG jumped all over Joe's lawyer when he refused to respond to her question if JO had any sex offenses.

Yes it is, my anger comes out as rage since my son was molested at age 3, and 7 yrs later I still have enough rage in me for what terror my son lived thru, enough rage that I'm afraid of what I would do if I ever laid eyes on that perp again.......it really doesn't go away ::MonkeyMad:: Let's continue to pray and maybe we will eventually find out the truth and fry anyone who was involved, or helped to CYA after the fact while a family sat by for 14 months clueless as to were their baby was ::MonkeyNoNo::

Will the Haleigh Cummings' Homicide Case be Solved this Week?
http://newsblaze.com/story/20100418090329kays.nb/topstory.html

It sounds like someone is trying to tie tidbits (the squeaking) to make a story that puts Misty in the victim role. She's threatened. She's not sure what went on.  bull.
And again it still amazes me there is never any animosity or even a snarky tone from Ron's GMA. I don't think I could hold it back.

Trying to catch up, my monkey friends!  I had to watch the replay, was out earlier.  I did see most of it and have to say that GGMS came across better than I expected.  Flo, well, her nick certainly fits her because the crap keeps flo'ing right out of her mouth.  How many nights will she have something new to add?  While I am ready to give her kudos for giving up the flesh and blood, I would have preferred she did it behind closed doors with LE.  However, if she tried, and they seemed to ignore her, then maybe this is what she felt she had to do?  Just trying that glass half full approach, not that I'm buyin' it. LOL

I'm going back to catch up.  I hope they all get what they deserve, and in this case, nothing less.

Couple things I transcribed from NG show tonite.

NG: First to you Ms Sykes

What did you observe in the home that evening?

AS: I stopped by at about 7:30 to drop off some laundry that I had done. I always did the children’s laundry, just because it’s something that I’ve always done. And the children were on the front porch with Misty, they were eating supper, and they, when we drove up Haleigh jumped out of her chair, come running out giving me a hug, Jr came out, gave me hug. I gave them a kiss and Misty walked out, she helped carry some of the clothes into the house and got the children’s shirts on and they got back up to eat supper, I gave them a kiss, told them goodbye and I got back in the car and left.

NG: So all along Ms Sykes, Misty Croslin has told us that, that evening she spent doing laundry, doing the kids laundry, so that's not true, you did the laundry.

AS: She did her and Ronald's and household laundry but I did the children's clothes because I didn't like them to have stains or anything on them, I am real, I just always did their laundry,, the children's laundry. They did their own, Adults and household laundry.

NG: And at that time Ms Sykes, Ronald Cummings was already at work.

AS: Yes, absolutely.

NG: So he's out of the picture. Ms Sykes, I know that by now you are aware that Ms Hollar who is Misty Tommy Croslins grandmother, she's the one, one of the ones that called police, that, and ended up mounting this search of the St John's River really believes that Ronald Cummings your grandson, is partially at fault what's your response?

AS: I heard what she said on your show about Ronald being responsible, because he left the children with her and she was all strung out but I was there and she was not strung out, I mean she was walkin an talkin, just I mean. I talked to her, just like I said, she helped me carry the laundry in, she had fixed supper for the children, they were eating.
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FH: ask’s GS her question about TN yada yada.

AS: I was not aware she did.

NG: talks to FH about her statement

NG: now talks to FH about what Misty Croslin told you.
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Then Chelsea calls in to show:

NG HI Chelsea, where were you that night Chelsea?

CC: I was at my home the nite that HaLeigh went missing.

NG: Chelsea what do you make of all the scenarios, hold on you need to cut yout Television off or down if you can.

CC: I went upstairs, I’m sorry

NG TY dear, ok back to Chelsea Croslin this is Timmy Croslin’s wife calling us tonight from Cape Cod, she was living in the Satsuma area the nite HaLeigh went missing. Chelsea Croslin what do you make of Tommy Croslin and Misty Croslin really their jail house confession’s they gave to their grandmother?

CC: for one I don’t believe they gave their grandmother jailhouse confessions at all, I think if they did, it would be on tape, I believe arrests would have already been made, they, our family everybody has been pulled, not us but Tommy, Misty, Joe have all been taken in for interrogations, I, I don’t believe that Flo Hollars is saying, I think it is a complete lie, I don’t I do not see Misty sitting there and listening to her baby cry, I mean not biological baby, but we loved that child just as much as I love my own and she would never have let that happen, she would not have sat there and done that. I mean she could have just easily..NG cut her off

NG: Ms Croslin, why would Ms Hollars make up a lie about her own flesh and blood?

CC: MS Hollars has not been around our family for the last 7 yrs. that I have been with the Croslins, I have met Flo Hollar maybe 2 times, uh, she, she is not involved in our family, so I don’t know why she would want to hurt an implicate 3 of her grandchildren, it’s just very sad that she would do that.

NG: Ms Hollars what’s your response to that?

FH: my response to that is why did she tell me the road to go look at?

CC: well Nanny, you were the one that said where do you want searched and I said I wanted 309 not specifically the dock, but 309 because I got a letter from Misty stating that Joe might have had or Joe was the involving party. So from there I called Det. Jason J, the head Det on the case, I told him, he did not follow up with it, so from there I ask LP will you help me fund the search, because I don’t money myself, and my goal in life is to find HaLeigh, that’s all that matters to us.

NG: wait wait, back to Chelsea Croslin what did you tell police where should search?

CC: I told them that Joe, when he was staying in Satsuma with us, I lived in Cresent City a little bit farther though, but it’s all in the same area, he stayed at Tommy’s house for a few day’s, until him and Ronald had had that falling out, um, regarding the gun that he had stolen, that was recovered, from there he went and stayed at Lisa and Hanks house, there was car accident Hank was air lifted off to Gainsville, I’m talking about Hank Sr.

NG: so are you saying you believe that Joe Overstreet is involved in HaLeigh’s disappearance?

CC: I do believe that Joe Overstreet is involved in the disappearance, I don’t know if Joe is the one that actually did do the harm and kill her or whatever this horrible news that’s out there

NG: Wait a min, Chelsea there’s only 3 choices, Overstreet, Misty Croslin or Tommy Croslin.

CC: There’s not just 3 stories, Nancy, I believe you know, there’s many more things to it. What happens if HaLeigh overdosed because there were loose pills laying around in that house? And I don’t care what anybody says because I know for a fact there was

GS: NO there wasn’t

NG: oh hold on just

CC: so if she..NG cuts her off..

NG: out to the lawyers

OS

I'd have loved it IF NG wouldn't have cut her off.......

I'm still not getting the OD there is much more to this.

I agree too, much more then a od, if that was all they ha too worry about why not call 911 and let the chips fall where they may,,way more to the story I agree.

HH, I noticed you are posting that you told Gma Hollars what question to ask.  Was it about the babysitting and did she ask it correctly?   I noticed she asked why TN didn't go get the kids after misty volunteered to pay TN to watch them.  I always heard it was the other way around.  If you talked to Flo, when did you talk to her? spill it, or quit yer teasin'  ::piggy::

Here is an article and video from March 2009.  Listen carefully what Lisa Croslin has to say.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=49248267001


JACKSONVILLE, FL -- Twenty-three days into their investigation, law enforcement officers are still trying to find Haleigh Cummings.

The five-year-old was last seen when her father's girlfriend, Misty Croslin, says she put her to bed.

Investigators have not fingered a suspect, but today members of Croslin's family spoke out about the search.

Croslin's mom and dad, Lisa and Hank, spoke out about a 19-year-old cousin who lives in Tennessee. His name is Joe. We are not identifying his last name because police have not named him a suspect in the case.

Police confirm the FBI has talked to Joe. Croslin's father says he spoke to police about the teenager on Tuesday. "I was into the police station yesterday telling them everything. I hope I don't get in trouble for saying, but ya know. I don't know what else to do."

The First Coast News I-team has found Joe's myspace page. The last posting on his site is from February 22, 2009.

A friend by the name of Thomas told Joe, "Just go back down there and help find the lil girl it just might clear your name."

The Croslins say about two weeks before Haleigh disappeared, Joe and Haleigh's dad, Ronald Cummings, had an issue over a gun. "He stole Ronald's gun. One morning, on the porch, said, Ronald will get what's coming to him. It was dropped, he left and Haleigh was gone," says Lisa Croslin.

Police confirm they are investigating the information about the stolen gun.

A week and a half ago, when police were asked if Joe was a suspect police said, "The one in Tennessee? No, he is not at all."

But then later, police changed their comment to no one has been ruled in or out as a suspect.

"The way I understand it, they're not ruling them out. I don't want to get in trouble for things I say, I don't know. The police is doing their jobs," says Hank Croslin.

I spoke with her earlier today and I ask if she would please ask Sykes why didnt Teresa go get the grandkids when Misty called her and asked her too,......I dont know where she got the version she told...lol....but, at least Im glad she asked, even if she got it wrong....lol....but maybe thats the way she heard it from her family uhhh ex-family in Florida......anyways....Im gonna call her tomorrow and at least thank her for asking it.

I spoke with her earlier today and I ask if she would please ask Sykes why didnt Teresa go get the grandkids when Misty called her and asked her too,......I dont know where she got the version she told...lol....but, at least Im glad she asked, even if she got it wrong....lol....but maybe thats the way she heard it from her family uhhh ex-family in Florida......anyways....Im gonna call her tomorrow and at least thank her for asking it.

She was waiting for a chance to pounce on Sykes.  I was mainly watching her expression while Sykes was talking and I hope that Dr. Glass does an interpretation on both of them!  I'm being nosey, but I've been gone awhile until pretty recently and you may have already said, but how do you get these people to talk to you?  Do you know her?  I get the idea she'd talk to anyone me if I called her.  So maybe I will.  J/K  ::MonkeyWink::

i admit im a little confused these days with this case

i thought hank sr and wife, lived near timmy and hank jr and RC and misty
all the same trailer home place, and i thought hank sr and wife and company
were all wrapped up in hank sr accident, the nite Haleigh went missing
1. hank sr has accident, early monday morn
2.hank is still at hospital with wife, when Haleigh goes missing
3. timmy was with hank sr, but home sleeping the nite HGM
4. no one is at hank sr house the nite HGM
5. there is a wooded lot near, 130 Magnolia, satsuma fl, which is in
the trailer/mobil home division place

just saying because i dont believe, the GM,GGM, or the players
im to tired for this, geeeze




where i thought hank sr and wife lived
http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS322US322&q=130+magnolia+satsuma+florida&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=130+Magnolia,+Satsuma,+FL+32189&gl=us&ei=SBbRS5aALYrs9QT414SpDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

where media is saying hank sr and wife lived
http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS322US322&q=130+magnolia+satsuma+florida&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=130+Magnolia,+Satsuma,+FL+32189&gl=us&ei=SBbRS5aALYrs9QT414SpDw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA

I dont know her, not really, Ive heard of her.....but anyways, yea she would talk to a fence post if she thought it would stand and listen, she told me alot of stuff but I dont wanna post it all because I will get jumped on for spreading rumors and I dont have a link......but anyways, I believe she is just as befrazzeled with these grandchildren of hers as we are, she said she just wanted the truth to come out and HaLeigh to be found, it must be terrible to have to listen to all these different stories and not know what to believe...

 ::MonkeyCool::

Thank goodness Hollygmom at BNN transcribed the audio tapes of Ron and Cobra:

HollysGmom said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm Ron/Cobra AUdio 1 Transcript:

Cobra: I went down there and I told em what you said, you know Jr, little Jr? He said….

ROn:You know what he told em? I’ll tell you what I know that he told em

Cobra: Alright…

Ron: He was down here fishing with Jr, Hank, actually I call him Tommy

Cobra: Tommy, ok…

ROn:Ok, but that’s the same dude; Hank, Hank Jr, Tommy

Cobra: Yea..

ROn: Tommy & Joe were fishing , with Tommy’s son, at that dock. It got dark, that dock got swamped with aligators. He told me he said “Holy FN sh*t, I had to get my son out of there. I thought Lake Placid was fixing to go on.”

Cobra: Yep…yep

ROn: You know what? Joe said : “You know this would be the perfect MFin place to kill someone. You could just throw em right into the water and the gators would take care of the rest.”

Cobra: Yea,

Ron: You think that’s where my daughter’s at? Probably….

Cobra: Well, I’m tryin to get a team down here brother.

AUdios are much clearer now, very easy to hear what is being said. Reduced the siren out of 2 to where Ron & Cobra are heard. I’ll post 2nd transcript ASAP!


Again if anyone lisstened to these tapes, when Ron talks about HaLeigh being in the river he says it with as little emotion as GMA Hollars did when she talked about HaLeigh being tossed int he river, to me I can't even imagine talking about my child in the gator infested waters and do it so non-chalant. IT truly gives an insight to his dark soul IMO

 ::MonkeyTears::

I watched NG tonight  and I could kick myself for it. I am sickened, heartbroken and boiling mad, all at the same time.  IF what Flora said is true and Misty hid under the sheet while HayLeigh was being attacked should be enough for her to get the dp in my book. IF it's true...I don't know, considering the source.  How many stories IS this woman going to tell. And I felt sooo bad for AS having to hear that.


btw---if Lucy goes to bed with a barrett in her head, wakes up, puts it in her mouth and chokes, is Nancy to blame and a terrible mother??

It's been awhile since I have been on here, last time I was here was when Sandra Cantu went missing!

I haven't been following little Haleigh's case for very long and I may be wrong but I don't think Haleigh was raped by Joe. I think Misty keeps concocting all these different stories hoping that Joe and Tommy get charged with murdering Haleigh and she gets off scott free. And if GH is telling the truth, then she is only stating what Misty is telling her.. but only the tapes will prove that once and for all. But even so, just because Misty is telling GH these things doesn't mean any of it is true.

In my opinion, I think Misty gave Haleigh drugs to make her sleep.. and I think her and Ron have done this many times before only this time Haleigh had a reaction and died.  After listening to Chelsea tonight on NG and mentioning an overdose just confirms my suspicions. I also think that Chelsea as well as Lindsy and Teresa have all known from the start what happened, that's why the whole bunch is trying to implicate Joe...they have to all stick to the same story.

I think Misty freaked and called Ron and Tommy. Misty freaking out could be the screaming that the neighbors heard. When Ron realized that Haleigh was dead he couldn't call 911 right away to report it because he probably had drugs all over that house and had to get the place cleaned up first and come up with a story.  Since him and Joe had been feuding earlier what better person to put the blame on. Either Ron remembered about what Joe had said or Tommy mentioned about Joe and the alligators and a perfect way to get rid of a body and decided that's how they will get rid of Haleigh's body. And then they staged it to look like someone (Joe) came in and "stole" Haleigh. I think Tommy, maybe also Timmy...and Misty together dumped Haleigh's body and Ron knowing this took his time coming home from work, stopping for cigarettes giving Misty and Tommy enough time to get rid of Haleigh before he got home that way nobody could say he was there when it happened. All the calls Ron was making to Misty went unanswered because she probably forgot the phone at home when they were dumping little Haleigh.

Ron only married Misty afterward so he couldn't be arrested for sex with a minor and to make sure she didn't talk, and to also make it look like they were both innocent in all of this. But it's not working so he then divorces her and keeps his distance and staying quiet making himself look innocent and making it look like to the public that he now thinks that Misty has something to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Misty loves Ron and thinks that once they are both out of jail that they will get back together and she will never say he was involved so she is sticking to her story that it was Joe and Tommy.

I don't know....I just wish someone would confess and so we can get this solved soon and put that poor baby to rest!

i want something danget.
really all the info amounts to not a damn thing.
really.  sorry...i am sorry.  i wish there was somthing more for Haleigh then a bunch of screwballs runnin' their chops,, but, in the in....we are still no closer to finding out what has happened to Haleigh.

MISTY AND JUNIOR HIT UNDER A SHEET?

I would assume that this conversation with Miisty was recorded.

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Croslin-Cummings Family Split on Haleigh Case
Aired April 22, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCYGRACE: Isn`t it true that there has been a scenario put out there, and it had to come from behind bars, that Misty Croslin heard the child in the next room screaming?

FLORA HOLLARS: Yes.

GRACE: And my question is, where did that story come from?

HOLLARS: It came from Misty.

GRACE: What did she say?

HOLLARS: That she heard Haleigh in there crying.

GRACE: And who was in the room with Haleigh?

HOLLARS: I`m going to say Joe or Tommy, one.

GRACE: Or both?

HOLLARS: Or both.

GRACE: And what, if anything, did Misty Croslin do to take care of Haleigh?

HOLLARS: According to what she told me when all this was going on, she`d already had been threatened by Joe, and she grabbed Junior and got into bed, and they covered up their heads completely. And when she took the covers off of her head, Haleigh was gone.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

Mrs Hollars said she doesnt believe all the stories she is telling, she is just repeating what she has been told, I think its doing some good, the family members are starting to get mad and talk themselves, so who knows ...if you hit a hornets nest, they are gonna come out.....also, I dont believe the story about the rape, if that happened ...would Misty be out putting up flyers with Joe the next day?   I dont think so....imo

HollysGmom said,in April 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm I was going to try to catch up before posting but you guys have been busy…lol.

Here it is…Ron’s own words…It’s gonna hurt, so beware!

Ron/Cobra Audio2

Cobra: Now listen, this is important. You got any connection with the

cops?

Ron: No

Cobra: You got any MFer who can get you the shirt to me? I got Aqua

Search commin out here, to search. THey’ve got side scan radar. There &

at Dunns Bridge, both. I want em scanned, you know. I gotta look for a

dead child. I gotta look for a live child. Gotta do both.

Ron: (Excitedly) Let me tell you this…gators burough…

CObra: Yea…

Ron:They make buroughs…

Cobra: I know exactly what gators do…Man, I’m from Miami…

Ron: Well, they make buroughs, where there’s air pockets

Cobra: They’ll push em right back in there.

Ron: They’ll push their prey, even if it was a

Cobra: person/child

Ron: Thank You!

Cobra: I know brother. Man, I’m a hillbilly. I’m 52 yrs old, I know a few

things.

Ron: Well, I’m half your age and …

Cobra: That’s it….

Ron: and you can see that….

Cobra: You’re a father, man…

Ron: I’ve got a lot more knowledge then most MFers. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Cobra: You’re a father, man. That’s what the main thing is..

Ron: For Three & 1/2 years now I’ve had custody of these kids by myself,
(garbled)

Cobra: I know, brother. Cause maybe your girlfriend lost one. That’s the only thing that pops into my mind. Stick a screwdriver in there and pry on it, I guess, you know? I know one came up missing.That’s the only reason I know why.

Ron: UmmmHmmm (no emotion)

Cobra: Ain’t nobody heard nothin till your child come up missing.

Ron: Exactly

Cobra: That Joe…that Joe is such a good liar…such a good FN liar, man.

Ron: You know..you know what the thing is…

Cobra: What?

Ron:You know what the thing is?

Cobra: I just wanna go out and get a loan for the kidnappers, go kick ass on somebody.

Ron: (Silence)

Cobra:I keep forcast on Joe. I’m gonna take him out into the swamp…

ROn: Man…

Cobra: But I don’t know….I don’t know what his …I don’t what his…his FN levels are bro.

Ron: yea…I’m scared…I’m scared

Cobra: Now you, you don’t need to do shit..

Ron: Yea..

CObra: don’t you F around now, you got kids. You got kids to raise n stuff.

Ron: Listen, Jr’s gonna be with me till the day I die, even if he’s gotta go with me like that…He’s gonna be with me till the day I die. Daddy’s little boy. ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Cobra: Hey MFer you better domesticate…

Ron: Just like Haleigh ’s Daddy’s little girl. (Garbled)

(Sudden change of topic)

Cobra: So that’s Haleigh with a capital H. WHat’s that all about?
That how you spell it? I thought it was regular spelling…You spell it like that? Ha…Leigh? I mean a capital L…..

ROn:Well,

Cobra: Like 2 seperate names?

Ron: Well actually, that’s how was it was supposed to be on her Birth Certificate…

CObra: oh…

Ron: but I think they F’ed it up….

CObra: Oh…

Ron: Let me tell you this…that one right there….

CObra: I’m trying to read it man…

ROn: H-A-L-E-I-G-H

Cobra; That’s It

Ron: Let me tell you this…Crystal was titty-feeding Haleigh when I got this one

Cobra: Yea…

Ron: How come hers is just now getting on her back?

Now if Ron isn’t afraid to tell Cobra that he’d kill Jr before loosing him, he isn’t above using it to threaten their mother to keep her away.

“I’ll kill us all before I let you have them!”

Flora Hollars contacted Annette Sykes following her conversation with Tommy ... the telephone conversation that originated from the jail.

Janet

++++++++++

NANCY GRACE
Croslin- Cummings Family Split on Haleigh Case
Aired April 22, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Ms. Sykes, what do you think of them searching -- the police searching the St. John`s River?

ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: Well, evidently, they had some tip. Somebody called them. And they were down there searching. And I went down there early that morning and didn`t -- you know, they wouldn`t tell me anything. And I wasn`t -- I knew what they were searching -- you know, I knew they were looking for something participating (SIC) to Haleigh, but I didn`t really know what.

FLORA HOLLARS, MISTY`S AND JOE`S GRANDMOTHER: I was the one that called you and told you that.

SYKES: Yes, she did. Ms. Hollars called me and told me -- she certainly did -- that she had called down here and told them what Tommy had told her. And Teresa and I went and -- over to that area and walked around all afternoon and looked in the woods over there. But of course, we didn`t find anything.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

So I have been out all day and take it other than NG which I will be watching in 6 minutes is the only event? of the day.

I know Grandma of Misty is well out there but I do think she is sick of all of her family and truly just had to tell someone what her crazy family has said, and you know what like others have said tonight it seems to be working...People are talking and things are now coming out.

Like GSykes and TN going to search in the woods why?  Why wouldn't TN call LE to confirm what is going on?   Why the need to go search in the woods? Alone?
I have always said and felt TN KNOWS if not all something and had to protect Ron which makes me sick that she betrayed Haleigh, if true. JMO
I still have my doubts Joe was involved I think he is the one to setup and LE just didn't take the bait in the beginning so try and try again?

HH~ you've been such a dedicated person on behalf of Haleigh  :smt038   Thanks for trying any which way you can to get answers. I feel your pain about not wanting to spread rumors. A fluke chance meeting my bf had the other day with a random guy that knows some of the folks involved made me want to spill it, but it's gossip, not fact. Small towns have 24/7 grapevine going.

Watching NG one thing I took from GGrandma Sykes was the children Haleigh and Junior were dotted on by this woman, and purely speculation she did not approve of the way they were taken of.  She wouldn't come out and say it but she wanted to.

Grandma Holler I do believe is reading boggers "us" or someone else is feeding "extra" thoughts we have and while I do think she is doing some good with getting the family at each other things will and are coming out, wish she would stick to the facts.  Once again pure speculation.

Hi Monkeys & Guest,


Did anyone hear the jailhouse call:

Timmy told Tommy in a jailhouse call that he did not have an alibi for that night?

I was gleaning  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank-you to the Monkey who gave the link.  I would choose "A"

http://newsblaze.com/story/20100418090329kays.nb/topstory.html

A. That's how tense we are. Will we find out this week? I doubt it. Theory one has a drowsy Misty, coming off a three day binge of drugs and sex, slipping Haleigh a pill of Oxycontin to quiet the child so that she can sleep. Haleigh ODs on the pill. When Tommy comes over, they decide to dispose of the body, throw it in the river and make it look like a predator killed her. As far-fetched as this is, this theory could be the one.

B. Theory two has the cousin Joe doing it. Joe looks over the trailer for the machine gun, holds a knife to Misty's throat, then abducts Haleigh; flees to his favorite fishing spot, the Shell Harbour Road ramp on the St. Johns. (Overt your eyes here) Flora says a yellow rope was used, then cinder blocks were attached to the rope and crazy Joe threw the child overboard. Flora says that Joe had guns and knives. She also says that when Joe returned to Nashville he was sullen or ashen, as if he had been traumatized by some foul event. The only way that I can make this theory work, is if Joe was on amphetamines. This is highly possible though. These kids were doing many drugs at this time. And Joe suspiciously left Florida right after Haleigh vanished. Family members are afraid of him too. This may be the one.

Ronald has such a vast knowledge of alligators, and brings it up at the strangest times... almost like: wazzup brother how's the weather?

Ron has vast knowledge of how to hunt deer. Although, he's been busted on record for doing it illegally quite a bit.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S WHERE MY DAUGHTER IS AT, PROBABLY.

What do you Monkeys think the odds are that Mr. Dave Holloway would ever say
the above line about his beloved dear Natalee who was killed and disposed of in Aruba?

Can you picture that happening in your mind when you close your eyes and imagine it?

Me?

Not in one million years!

...and for the denialists in the house, that would like to shoot back at me about their
different lifestyles, levels of education, and income brackets. Please, stuff that chit
right in your hat. I am feeling snarky today! ::MonkeyHaHa::

A loving father is a loving father - whether he has one dollar in his pocket or 5,000.

Ronald Lemyles Cummings will be found very close to the heart of this when all is said and done.

Ron and Misty keep pointing us towards Tommy and Joe, now why would that be?

As always - imho   Have a great day, Monks! ::HelloKitty::

I seldom post here, or anywhere, I'm usually a lurker, but I just want to remind people that Misty's story about she and Jr. crawling under the covers and covering their heads is a load of BS. I clearly recall Ron saying the bed was still made - as in had NOT been slept in.

Amen to this!

good point...

I'm still thinking this also.  Misty was not home.  She was out.

Exclusive: Inside the Haleigh Cummings Family Feud!

“Even though we’re at odds now, because there’s a lot of stress in the family, I’m not going to lie about it,” Chelsea tells The Bald Truth. “I’ve never seen Ronald hit the kids. He’s a very good Dad, and he’s proved it. How often do you see a father get custody over a mother?”

Even before he began dating Misty, Chelsea would see him at the bus stop with Haleigh, dressed to the nines in matching outfits, “cute little bows in her hair. I was very surprised to see a single Dad be the one to get her dressed up, put her hair up…

“Haleigh was his little Daddy’s girl, completely. It’s true she wanted him to marry Misty, like she’s been saying. Long before she went missing, they’d been pestering her father, Hank, to sign papers to allow it.

“He kept saying no, that you guys haven’t been together long enough. Wait until you’re 18,’ but that’s what Haleigh wanted. She was a very bright little girl, she knew what was going on and loved Misty. She didn’t care for Ron’s other ‘baby mama,’ (Amber Brooks).”

Chelsea also says it was obvious Misty loved Haleigh and the little girl adored her stepmom, as she’s claimed in interviews. Others have told me they’d see them walking hand in hand from the bus stop, and Chelsea says Misty did a fine job watching her kids, too, even if she’d occasionally fall asleep. “The kids were together all the time,” she says.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

Illegal guns in house.

Pills in house - Chelsea even added: out in the open for all.

GMa Sykes - I washed the children's clothes so they didn't have stains on them.

TJ Ward - Misty fixed them dinner, it was, I dunno something out of a can, wasn't very appealing. - Levi Page Radio Show

Chelsea - Ron was a very good dad and proved it. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I will say, that from the looks of what Chelsea said to Art, that it appears she
also knows Haliegh is no longer with us on this earth. Everything in past-tense.

Exactly  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't believe that story at all.  HH thanks for talking with Flo, she strikes me as a person that once she starts talking she doesn't shut up  ::MonkeyHaHa::  IM thanks for the translation of those two tapes, Ron talking about the gators makes me ill, he makes me ill, period.

 Chelsea says Misty did a fine job watching her kids, too, even if she’d occasionally fall asleep.  ::MonkeyEek:: Always a fine quality in a babysitter  ::MonkeyNoNo::

That's exactly why I posted the transcript, although nothing does it justice as you have to hear Ron speak these words with absolutely zero emotion, not a chance in he77 I could even think these things about my child without breaking down and needing a tranquilizer much less talk about Gators eating a child and how they couldn't be found.....it's beyond absurd to me. I have to sit back and look at just who Misty and Tommy have NOT pointed the finger at and here he is..........he was even smirking here, and this was when Meridith Viera asked him about JR's comments about the couch bouncing and someone in black taking his child, his answer was "I don't know I wuz at werk" which is really a non-answer because surely he has an opinion ::MonkeyShovel::

Nobody in their right mind would be talking about those gators like Ron was when you have a child missing and there is that possibility  ::MonkeyShocked:: Those words would not even come out of my mouth, would I be thinking something like that, maybe, but then I would break down and have to be put in a hospital.

I know! That saddest part of it, she is telling us what she believes and to her it is true.

This is what these cretins are.

To be a fine father - all you have to do is walk your child to the bus stop in matching outfits,
I guess? The image in my brain of Ron Cummings in dainty tan shorts and a Dora the Explorer
shirt right along side a matching Haliegh is what I saw in my brain when I read her sentence.

I only laugh, or else I cry.

YW ::HelloKitty:: The gator talk and then talking about JR and how he will never leave him freaked me out because Tim Miller had stated Ron told him something very similar and IIRC it was paraphrased here "If I find out she had anything to do with this, I'll blow her teeth thru the back of her head and then alluded to taking his own life along with a few others". Also, he always has to get in a dig at Crystal, from thhe first day he was out there saying "I went to werk to make a honest living  ::MonkeyHaHa:: as I have custody of my kids, blah blah blah" he even talks about her possibly being involved. But more than anyting it was the complete and utter lack of any emotion when he was talking about her being in the water ::MonkeyMad:: I just couldn't stomach listening to him talk about it like he was talking about the draft or weather.

It is very hard to get into the mindset of this bunch, and I will just bet that pills laying around the house was an everyday happening in Ron's, Tommy's and Timmy's household.

Good morning Monkeys!

I watched NG last night and found Flora Hollars version of Misty & Jr. hiding under the covers horrifying! 
Isn't it strange she didn't mention this before.  She has appeared on t.v.
with NG and JVM a few times now.

Don't know if it Flora's BS or if it's the BS of those she speaks with on the 'phone.

Something else I'd like to know - and wonder why she wasn't asked...
Is she still having these jail 'phone conversations with Misty and Tommy?

Is Flora Hollers distraught and overwhelmed with the information she claims to have received, as most of us would be?  It doesn't appear so...
but then I don't know her and haven't seen her in "normal"  ::MonkeyBike:: circumstances.

From day one he creeped me out, and I haven't lost that feeling and won't. I don't know what his involvement is, but to talk so crudely like he does, imo, he knows and has moved on.

This is my view of what happened.

8:00  H.C. wouldn't go to sleep - MC or someone gave the child a sleeping aid

8:30  The child was convulsing, sadly she expired. - MC called RC and proceeded to shut off phone

9:00  RC called TC

10:00  TC showed up dressed in black, the MH lights were shut off, it was a full moon, Junior saw a figure dressed in black.


I can't get pass anything else, how they transported the van to the MH I am stumped. ::MonkeyEek::

Good morning just4justice.  He said, she said...so difficult to sort out.

I have always wondered why the beds as shown on NG tour and cleaned and tidied up by Theresa Neves, IIRC, had no top sheets or blankets on them.  Did they all just normally sleep on top of the bottom sheet?  It was not hot in Satsuma. 

Are these the same tapes that Heart Posted from Websleuths?  Me thinks the translations of these tapes is totally different???!!!!  What up with that?  I've attempted to listen to them I guess I'll have to go back again today.  Not that they really sway me one way or the other as I already know that Ron is a POS and don't need confirmation of that fact. 

Since the Croslin's were away due to Hank Sr.'s accident there was an opportunity for anyone to use their home for whatever reason.  Do we know if LE did any kind of search (forensic?) on that home.  HaLeigh could've been taken their and then to to water.  The van and it's occupants, if used for a crime, didn't have to travel far that night if they took this route.

Here was my take on Ron Cobra tape 1. I did my own version.

The more ears the better, I guess.

RON & COBRA #1 - Audio 44 seconds

transcript:

cobra: yea, down there and he told jr. a bunch of s*** and i told jr. look jr he said...

(interrupted mid-sentence)

ron: you know what I told him? he told...let me tell you what i know what he...

ron: they were down there fishin` junior hank, actually i call him tommy

cobra: tommy ok

ron: ok, cuz that`s the same jr. hank jr., tommy and joe were fishin` with austin, tommy`s son... at that dock... it got dark... that dock got swamped with alligators... he told me,
he said holy f**** s*** i had to get my son out of there i thought lake placid was fixin`
to go on!

cobra: yep


ron: you know what?

cobra: yep?

ron: joe said the (quarter? corner?) would be the perfect f****ing place to kill somebody...

cobra: bam

ron: dump them right in the water... let the alligators take care of the rest.

cobra: bam!


ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.


cobra: yea, well i`m trying to get a team down here brother and the only thing that`s
stopping that right now (end of audio)

sorry for the bad spelling--taken there, not their

I did figure out he was saying CORRIDOR... (not quarter or corner)

...and a great day to you too Carpe!

Nope, Dave Holloway would not have said that in a million years. 
I won't stuff it in my hat - Dave is a very gracious man, a gentle man and a gentleman. RC is not in the same league. 

A loving Father is as you say, no matter what his status.

If Ron is implicated as you imply it would not be the first time a parent covered up their crime. 

I'm not sure, I didn't see that post, but this transcript is very good as I listened to these over and over trying to make sure I heard what I did.........these audios are on BNN and very short and you have to stop and rewind bcause Cobra is so loud and there are sirens in the background and tend to talk over Ron, but what I heard was chilling as I expected to hear emotion.

That all sounds right to me, TY.

Ron has said something to the effect of: 'I went to werk to make a honest living as I have custody of my kids'

I have three young adult sons, two grandchildren.  Occasionaly, one or the other of em has been out of work.  When one of em had taken more than enough time in laying around their house feeling sorry for himself, I reminded him that he had a child to feed and shelter, and needed to git it together and git back out there, find a dayum job.   

Now... that's a 'mom lecture', yes I've 'let go' of my sons, many mannnnnnny years ago.  Every now and then tho, they need remindin'.  Ok, put in other terms, a kick in the @ss. 

On the occasion one of my sons have referenced working, (two are near Ron's age), never have they ever used the expression 'make a honest living'.  That just doesn't sound to me like something a young man that age would come up with, on his own.  My sons and their friends use expressions such as "I been working my @ss off". 

Guess the point I am trying to make here is that when Ron uses the expression such as:   
'make a honest living'... sounds to me like he is just repeating an often-heard lecture from his mom/gma.  That expression sounds like something a mom/gma would say, not a young man. 

So the question is.... how many times has Ron heard this expression from mom/gma, and if so, why would he need to hear that?  Cuz it's something he needed to do?  He must have heard it repeated often enough that it easily came to mind when he needed something to say about his working.  Seems he was proud of himself for 'werking'.  As if.... he had spent a great deal of time *not* working, and either making no living at all, or making a dis-honest living instead. 

IMO. Based on observations of my own sons and their friends. 

I've been wondering about Tommy & Misty smoking that Joint after/before the AC man.  I don't think they were smokin a joint I think they were smoking Roxies.

::MonkeyEek:: Great point Wyks as even I say I "work my ass off" myself and I'm 42, I never thought about it until you pointed that our though........good catch ::MonkeyTongue::

I never knew you could smoke something in a pill form ::MonkeyShocked:: I guess they crush it, but how do they smoke it? (not asking because I am going to-just curious). and ITA they were doing more than pot that evening

Wyks I have two daughter's around Ron's age, and never heard them say a honest living, good point  ::MonkeyEek::

I didn't know either until I watched the show "Addicted" last weekend.  They pinch the timerelease coating off, put it on a sheet of foil, light it and suck it up through a straw.  There is another drug that is done this way also but I can't remember what it is ... maybe crystal meth?  Weird, Huh?  Anyway when I saw it I thought to myself I bet that's how they do it down there.  The dude on the show said it gets you high faster - go figure.

I saw a show recently that reported Florida as being the mecca for anyone wanting to get prescription pain pills.  People from other states car pool to their because there is no crossing checking for narcotics between doctors.  The docs don't take insurance, cash only, and will prescribe whatever the patient wants for the right amount of money.  "Pain Management" clinics are on every street corner, according to this report.

I  think there has been a law passed recently, but the business is still booming.

Correction - not light the pill they heat the foil up under the pill.

I watched the rerun of NG last night, and was horrified at the story of Misty hiding under the covers while Haleigh was screaming. When did this version come up?

I know we all have varying opinions on this, but I just can't buy what GrannyH is saying. I watched her expressions while GmaS was talking and it's clear that there is a lot of tension going on. I felt really bad for GmaS having to listen to all that.

I won't say GH is lying, exactly, some of what she is telling probably has been told to her. I just think that her initial version is closer to the truth... or what she believes is the truth, and that she keeps adding little details to make it juicier, that's just the way I see it. To me, it sounds like she is enjoying her 15 minutes, and being a "star" on JVM and NG, and she may have been offered some money for her stories by tabloids, etc. That kind of money is a big incentive to most people, particularly one who has probably scratched  like a hen in the dirt for a living most of her life.

I kind of agree that the Croslins are trying to cover for Misty... they would rather throw Joe under the bus, he could take prison... Misty can't, she's delicate. (Insert snark here.)

I dunno... this whole thing gets crazier by the minute. I pray that whatever happened to Haleigh, she didn't have to suffer, I can't bear thinking she died in agony!

All of you here have made some great comments and I applaud everyone for sticking up for Haleigh and never giving up. We may not all agree on every detail, but at least we all have one common ground... Justice for Haleigh!

My daughter, who unfortunately would know, said that Haleigh's death could have easily occurred due to an overdose if someone broke an extended release pill in half and gave it to her.  She said once the pill is broken, the amount of narcotic released is tremendous because the coating is what causes the active ingredient to be released slowly, over a period of hours, rather than all at once. 

I think maybe he's proud he's a full time honest worker and only part time drug dealer.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyWink::

I agree, and I'll just bet we will see an article in the Globe or NE with Granny Flo's story in it.

Flora Hollars is all over the place in her speculating but ... her position remains firm in regards to what Tommy and Misty shared with her in the recorded telephone conversations from jail.

Considering the Flora must realize that the recordings will reveal the truth regarding what was said by her grandkids ... I am inclined to believe her.  However ... the timing of the Sunday night calls causes me to suspect that Tommy and Misty were somehow able to get their stories straight prior to calling their grandmother.

If the cinder blocks taken from the river by divers were located in an area indicated by Tommy ... I am a believer in what Tommy and Misty have claimed in regard to the manner in which little Haleigh Marie was disposed.

Janet

++++++++


Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s incredible, Nancy. And the caller is right. I mean, these are jailhouse phone calls. They`ve been recorded. Law enforcement has listened to them.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html


Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell - April 21, 2010

FLORA HOLLARS: No, ma`am, because 15 minutes after Tommy called me, Misty called me. I told her what he said and she was crying and all she could say is, "Nanny, I`ve told them this all along." Misty didn`t tell me until the following Monday about the rope and the bricks in the St. John`s River.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/21/ijvm.01.html


Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: ... Ms. Hollars called me and told me -- she certainly did -- that she had called down here and told them what Tommy had told her. And Teresa and I went and -- over to that area and walked around all afternoon and looked in the woods over there. But of course, we didn`t find anything.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html


Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

NANCY GRACE: Isn`t it true that there has been a scenario put out there, and it had to come from behind bars, that Misty Croslin heard the child in the next room screaming?

FLORA HOLLARS: Yes.

GRACE: And my question is, where did that story come from?

HOLLARS: It came from Misty.

GRACE: What did she say?

HOLLARS: That she heard Haleigh in there crying.

<snipped>

GRACE: And what, if anything, did Misty Croslin do to take care of Haleigh?

HOLLARS: According to what she told me when all this was going on, she`d already had been threatened by Joe, and she grabbed Junior and got into bed, and they covered up their heads completely. And when she took the covers off of her head, Haleigh was gone.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html


Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell – April 15, 2010

FLORA HOLLARS: Because of the way that Tommy talked to my -- I brought Tommy down Sunday night on the telephone. And that`s when he started telling me, and I toad him, I says, "Hey, Tommy, you failed your lie detector test. Now, I`m fixing to ask you right now. I know in my heart who I think did it."

He says, "Who did you think, Nanny?"

I said, "I think Joe."

He says, "You`re right. Joe is the one that did it."

<snipped>

HOLLARS: What Tommy told me when I broke him down was the fact that Joe stated to him that, if he opened his mouth and said anything, that he would bring a gun back down there and kill his whole family. And Misty stated that he had put a knife to her throat that night, which I know Joe does have knives, and I know Joe does have guns in his house out there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ijvm.01.html


Nancy Grace – April 15, 2010

FLORA HOLLARS:  What I was told by Misty this morning was that Tommy and Joe took Haleigh and wrapped a yellow rope around her and carried her to the dock and tied a brick around the bottom -- the other end of the rope and throwed her into the river. Now, that come from Misty`s mouth into my ear ....

NANCE GRACE: She just said that Joe Overstreet killed Misty -- killed Haleigh?

HOLLARS: He and Tommy -- she said Joe Overstreet and Tommy wrapped the rope around Haleigh and carried her to the dock at the St. John`s River and put a block around the other end of the rope and throwed her in the river.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ng.01.html


Attorney: Tommy Croslin Gave Investigators Tip
Sun., April 18, 2010

An attorney said Friday that his client, Hank "Tommy" Croslin Jr., led investigators to the St. Johns River in the latest search for Haleigh Cummings.

Attorney James Werter said Croslin met with investigators for over an hour before leading Florida Department of Law Enforcement officials and Putnam County deputies to the river.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36604607/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/

Izzy...This is what I think is the closest to how I feel things went

well, if you were listenin' to gumma hollars you would have heard her tell anybody that thinks she made any money off of this to kiss it where the sun don't shine.   ::MonkeyDevil::  I love it that we can say what we really think here, and I rarely post elsewhere.  I love me some monkeys.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Chelsea C. said before that she noticed that Joe was not home and her van had been moved the night Haleigh went missing. Also confusing I believe she said Timmy was sleeping because of meds from car accident? I thought Hank Sr. was in car accident that night? I KNOW Joe was staying with Timmy and Chelsea and where because I KNOW the owner of that property. ::MonkeyTongue::

geez~I would never have thought that was even possible, but I guess if you are a doper you're prolly looking for a short cut to get high all the time, and if GGMS siad she wasn't messed up and we know for a fact that she admitted smoking pot right before that and if you are right smoking roxies she had to be f'd up ::piggy::

feelin' a little feisty today.  is it bad that I wish you would just spill it already???  I am an impatient monkey today.  Stress.  I need candy.    ::rhino::

Maybe a different drug - I don't see these people sharing their drugs with anyone or a child.  I think if they od'ed Haleigh which is not my thought at all it would of been on OTC cold medicine or something like that.  These are the type of users who count there pills all day long IMO.

Well he is not anymore.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Something I meant to bring up last night, and got distracted.  Did GGMS say on NG yesterday "we" went over there? 

that's the truth!  got a couple off the streets.  wish we could get them all.

I noticed how mean nancy was to Flo yesterday.  I also forgot to bring that up.  She was a total witch to her when GGMS was there.  I almost felt sorry for her, but then she should know how nancy is.  I would never go on that show unless, God Forbid! I had a missing relative.  and then ONLY if I didn't have anything to do with it.  LOL

yes she said "WE" or atleast the transcription does.

 ::HelloKitty::Melisb,

Interesting

Maybe somewhere down the road ... Granny Flora will be made an offer she will not refuse ... a media offer to tell her story regarding what her grandkids told her in those recorded telephone calls from the jail but ... it appears for now she is only interested in her 15 minutes of fame in the media spotlight

Janet

++++++++

Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s incredible, Nancy. And the caller is right. I mean, these are jailhouse phone calls. They`ve been recorded. Law enforcement has listened to them.

<snipped>

HERMAN: I want to know, does she have any contracts with any newspapers or any tabloids?

NANCY GRACE: Ms. Hollars, do you have a contract or a deal with a newspaper, radio or TV? Have you made any money off this story?

HOLLARS: I have not made a penny off this story. I have told exactly what those two kids has told me. And if none of them down there don`t like it, they can kiss where the sun don`t shine!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

Was Joe sleeping on the night of February 9th at Tim and Chelsea's residence?  That seems to be the puzzle.

I Loved Nanny Flo's delivery, purfect.

Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: ... Ms. Hollars called me and told me -- she certainly did -- that she had called down here and told them what Tommy had told her. And Teresa and I went and -- over to that area and walked around all afternoon and looked in the woods over there. But of course, we didn`t find anything.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

I think that O4Bull was meaning the last time GGS saw Haleigh...and yes she did say we so someone must have been with her in the car.

04bull, maybe, just a little, lol. I'm frustrated because I can't post what I know directly from the source. Seahorse, that's what I read, it's in #34 I believe. Also Chelsea is the one who told my "person" that Misty was very jealous of Haleigh. Seems like Chelsea is doin' the ::MonkeyDance:: "Satsuma Shuffle".

Nancy is a bully, IMO. She is too smart, too rude and too ga ga over Ronald.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::HelloKitty:: HopeForAll,

Chelsea called NG and told us how Haleigh died, IMO.  My theory was not fresh..Thanks for #34.

Her D.H. must have played a role or her, she is Shuffling  ::piggy::

I find it very interesting that Ron and Misty both brought up this search area previously as a place where Haleigh might be found.  I have to ask why?


Timmy Miller after the Shell Harbor Search -  listen to tape.
http://www.bloggernews.net/124362

Back in my wild days, I dated a 'hells angel', named snake.   ::MonkeyEek::  He used and sold weed.  I hated that and just wanted my wine.  One time I went to the store while his friends were over and they were getting stoned.  For whatever sick reason, they thought it would be real hilarious to pour my wine into my love bird's water dish and get him drunk.  Yeah.. my bird passed out and was laying on the floor of his cage.  When I got home, I thought he had died.  Lucky for them he didn't! 

Have seen on tv, read on the internet, that there are others who think it's real funny to give a child or pet dog/cat a sip (or more) of their beer/drink, a hit of their weed, or blow that in their faces, getting them drunk/stoned. 

And then, kids being curious wanting a taste of whatever the adults in their life are having, wanting to be just like them, etc.  It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that perhaps HaLeigh managed to get ahold of whatever drugs may have been handy at home or wherever they went to. 

A worse scenario IMO would be that whomever was near HaLeigh may have all been so stoned out of their mind that they may have thought it would be funny to see her stoned, doing that to her on purpose, and she got too much.  Either while one or more turned their back for a minute, or the rest of em were too out of it to have noticed until it was too late.     

Guess there's always the possibility that Misty gave HaLeigh an over-the-counter medicine to make her go to sleep while she partied.  She could have had a bad reaction, or too much.  She may have given some to Jr, who may have gone to sleep, and maybe another dose (or more) to HaLeigh if she didn't go to sleep at first.  I dunno.  But in that case, still not right, IMO.  It seems that many a caregiver, for longer years than I can count, have done this with their kids to help them sleep.  At first, it astonished me to learn that some use different legal meds not meant for kids.  Nyquil is one that I've heard some use in more recent years.  Still doesn't make it right tho, IMO.  Just saying, might not have been illegal drugs.  Gosh, back when my kids were little, I did things like rock them, rub their backs, walk the floor with em, if they wouldn't go to sleep.  Never did it cross my mind to drug them out.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Still think that of all the things said by all these different players in the case, an OD, accidental or otherwise, makes the most sense.  Then came the cover-up, which has gotten to ridiculous lengths. 

Justice for HaLeigh! 

Thanks jules

Janet

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Nancy Grace - March 16, 2009

GRACE GRACE, HOST: To Teresa Neves, Haleigh`s grandmother. Miss Neves, are you aware of anyone else in the home that evening? I don`t mean when they all go to bed, I mean earlier that evening.

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I heard there was a repairman there. My mother was actually over.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. There was a repairman there. The cousin was there who police have investigated.
 
NEVES: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Who else?

NEVES: My mother came by that night.

GRACE: For what reason?

NEVES: She had some of the kid`s clothes at her house and she had washed them and brought them over. That was sometime between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m. that night.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/16/ng.01.html


Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

NANCY GRACE, HOST:  Ms. Sykes. What did you observe in the home that evening?

ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: I stopped by about 7:30 to drop off some laundry that I had done. I always did the children`s laundry just because it`s something I`ve always done. And the children were on the front porch with Misty. They were eating supper. And when we drove up, Haleigh jumped out of her chair and come running up and gave me a hug. And Junior came out and gave me a hug, and I gave them a kiss. And Misty walked out. She helped carry some of the clothes into the house and got the children`s shirts on, and they got back up to eat supper. I gave them a kiss, told them good-bye, and I got back in the car and left

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

I knew Snake!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me too, I mentioned that a few days ago.....things that make you go hmm ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Breaking News: Misty Croslin

reportedly flunks another poly!

Breaking developments in the Haleigh Cummings case! Urgent report surfaces that Haleigh's former babysitter/stepmom Misty Croslin flunks another polygraph! What does this mean for the investigation and the newly released details that cops have NOT found Haleigh's remains in the St. Johns River? Nancy Grace has all the latest, breaking developments on at 8 & 10 PM E.T. on HLN.

OS

Thanks, I feel like throwing my hands up in the air and running.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

:2brickwall: :2brickwall: Are you kidding me? I wonder if Misty understands that polys are NOT like golf, or tennis and you don't get better with practice..... ::MonkeyJnBox::

I just talk to my son about Roxies aka Rockers..  No coating.. Immediate release..They make you mental high and body high ..Eurphoria.. No memory lost but get body nodding out. Now he stated most people who abuse these drugs mix with others..  You can for the time release ones Oxecotines 30's  you can do this by putting the Oxecodine between your teeth and then with your tongue lick the coating off for a faster high..If you take a Roxie or Rocker and when you come down you get depressed so then you take a xanax aka totum poles which can cause memory lose but depends on the miligrams you take . You can function do everyday things and then the next day you have no recollection of what you did. There was a company in Florida shut down that was shipping them New Jersey by the thousands.. My son stated he knew the girl who's father was selling them for this company and he is in jail for 10 years but this was a lighter sentenance because he gave names..

Probably new Polly with new questions?  Probably based on more of Tommy's leaks?!

I had asked my daughter about Roxies, and she never heard of them before. Jersey, I hope your son is doing well  ::MonkeyAngel::

Yeah the guy on the show that I watched getting high and than high did not appear to be anything other than normal to me.  Meaning no slurring, walking fine, I was like what's the point.  But these guys are always chasing a high that they will never acheive again, I guess.  If I drink it is to get drunk otherwise why bother just my thoughts.

He is doing great. 2nd week  and had a DR appointment yesterday . The only substance in his urine was Suboxone which is the drug to slowly wean him off. It was tough the first week but he made it.. He wants to get off them and that tells me alot ..That he is not doing it for me but himself..

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Were you a biker mama too?   ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, thanks that was what I meant.  I wasn't very clear.  Janet, you're always so organized and helpful.  Monkey thanks for bringing that up too.  I don't know why they were there, and I can't say I wouldn't have gone if I'd heard something about my missing gdaughter but it still looks suspicious.

Wonderful  ::MonkeyAngel::

Maybe it will work out for the benefit of Misty if she keeps changing her stories.  It did for Joran van der Sloot ... the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  All his "confessions" are now disregarded.  No detainment!  No charges!
 
Janet

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THE RANGE ROVER CONFESSION

Press Anouncement

Ladies and gentlemen

The Public Prosecutors Office Aruba and the Aruban Police Force would like to give you an updated summary about the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

<snipped>

The fact that Joran has supplied the Police with a motive for his lying behavior and the fact that he has admitted that he often is not telling the truth, makes, according to the Court of Appeal, that the self incriminating new statements of Joran are devaluated.

In short: there is no corroborating evidence for the new self incriminating statements of Joran and the value of these statements is undermined by his own statement about his credibility.

<snipped>

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/01/06/aruba-prosecutor-5-page-letter-dont-miss-the-part-where-he-trashes-fox-and-menever-dull/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4344.msg614673#msg614673

I'm wondering who was with GGMS when she took the laundry over and if that person stayed in the car?  Is this maybe where the nurse came in?  Am I getting this right?  It seems like I remember a nurse being mentioned (Hope's mom?) 

It was Aunt Lisa. 

Janet, you are awesome, thanks!  Okay, here's my question, has TN admitted to being there when GGMS took the clothes over?  I know she came later, supposedly, after the 911 call.  Look at the words she uses that I bolded and underlined above.  This may be a moot point, if it's known she was there, but Teresa puts herself already there by her choice of words, IMO. 

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Okay, thanks SuperSleuth!  So Lisa was with her, was she a nurse?

Thanks Jerseygirl.  In my post above, where TN says her mom came by that night, is that a slip?  I would say my mom came by, if I were there.  If I were not, I'd say mom went to their house.  Same thing with "my mother was actually over".  She stops before saying "over at their house" or something else I'd expect her to say, unless she was there.  Am I making sense? lol  Feel free to say no.  ::MonkeyDevil::

I would say my mom went over to the MH if I was not there that evening

I'm not sure who Aunt Lisa is   ..... I heard Misty say (I think at her hypnosis session) that she just knows her as Aunt Lisa, but doesn't really know much about her.

YW

I know the feeling, same here.

OS

good afternoon all.

See everyone's discussing last night's show and the overdose theory.

For some reason it just doesn't ring true for me. And there are soooo many reasons why, but in the end, maybe that's what happened. who knows.

Somewhere in the back of my mind if an overdose occurred I think Misty would just come clean and not keep flunking polygraphs. She flunks because she will not reveal the truth. And it would be rather simple at this late date to just say - ok, here's what happened and it was an accident. I'm sorry. You know, the police want this wrapped up, the family wants it wrapped up and everyone who has come to love Haleigh wants this wrapped up. It's not wrapped up because of MISTY.

I feel she can't tell the truth because the truth is too horrible to utter.

It would be so easy for her to say, I'm a huge dumbass and it cost Haleigh her life, I left pills all over and she took one. I am so sorry and hope that Haleigh will forgive me, I am ready to accept my punishment. I think the public will believe this. But is it the truth?

Again, why doesn't she do this? Why doesn't she come clean and tell the real truth? She is locked up and not going anywhere for years and years due to her drug dealing charges. She receives the advice of her attorney and I sure hope that guy is not as stupid as Baez and playing Russian roulette with his client's life.

In my humble opinion, she has probably already been asked (numerous times) during a polygraph 'did Haleigh take a pill accidentally and overdose'. Of course that would be asked.  But she can't honestly answer that or - the results comes back as deception when asked.

so if Misty keeps failing polygraphs, and this is like number 5, what can the investigators do? Can they just keeping asking questions that outline each and every scenario under the sun until something truthful registers? I guess that's what will have to happen.

It would be so easy for Misty to just say it was an overdose and throw herself on the mercy of a jury. However, in my opinion, it can't happen because that's not the truth.

BUT, I could be wrong and this is just my opinion.

Perfect sense. I think most would say it that way, that speak English.

Teresa at the time lived 12-15 miles away.

Nice thong. Belks?

04Bull

I had never heard that an aunt/nurse was with Grandma Sykes when she went to the trailer to deliver "laundry" at 7:30 PM.  Teresa Neves apparently revealed this in an interview.  I cannot find it.

Why did Grandma Sykes not mention nurse "Aunt Eliza" in last nights NG show?  Could it be that there was another reason that Grandma Sykes was at the trailer and that reason had nothing to do with the laundry?

Janet

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ARREST IS IMMINENT
Posted by Blink: Wednesday 14 April 2010 8:58 pm
 
Comments

1.MsEnscene says:
April 16, 2010 at 4:37 pm

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Teresa Neves says she sent “people”–people later morphing into G’ma Sykes and Aunt Eliza (who is nurse)– over to “check on the children” at around seven. Syles says the children were eating on the porch. Did neither she not Aunt Eliza get into the mobile home? Why were the children eating on the porch after dark? What was the temp at seven in Fla. that evening? Details are so very scant. Gma said goodbye and “hugged Haleigh”.

<snipped>

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/04/14/haleigh-cummings-case-sources-say-we-are-close/comment-page-3/


Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: I stopped by about 7:30 to drop off some laundry that I had done. I always did the children`s laundry just because it`s something I`ve always done. And the children were on the front porch with Misty. They were eating supper. And when we drove up, Haleigh jumped out of her chair and come running up and gave me a hug. And Junior came out and gave me a hug, and I gave them a kiss. And Misty walked out. She helped carry some of the clothes into the house and got the children`s shirts on, and they got back up to eat supper. I gave them a kiss, told them good-bye, and I got back in the car and left.

GRACE: So all along, Ms. Sykes, Misty Croslin has told us that that evening she spent that evening doing laundry, doing the kids` laundry. So that`s not true. You did the laundry?

SYKES: She did hers and Ronald`s and the household laundry, but I did the children`s clothes because I didn`t like them -- I didn`t like them to have stains or anything on them. I`m real -- I just always did their laundry, the children`s laundry. They did their own...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

Can I come to no rose?  We could run to the nearest Tim Hortons for a coffee/tea and an "old fashion plain" donut.  We could talk and talk and talk ...

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

And she said Misty came out and helped carry the laundry into the house.  If I want someone to leave right away or not come in my house I greet them outside and get whatever w/out letting them in.  (BusyBody Neighbor Lady)

I still the kids were eating on the porch because the adults were inside gettin high.

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/kiss.jpg)

 ::MonkeyKiss::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You bet, I would love to  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/04/23/ng.death.debate.cnn

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/SYKES.jpg)  (http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/FLO1-1.jpg)

Does anyone know what Crystal Cummings middle name is? Is it gail?

Eating a can of something according to TJ Ward.

Beanie Weenies, Ravioli ... or some processed crap. Makes me so mad! ::MonkeyNoNo::

A snack or a quick lunch, perhaps... For dinner? Get out of here.

Babies need to eat! Break out those food stamps, Ron. Gettin` a little stingy.

Hello Monkeys,



Chelsea claims Hanky was air-lifted from his car accident.  When someone is air-lifted it is news worthy,
I am curious if Big Hanky's car accident was in the local newspaper? 

When did Tommy have the red truck in his possession? 

I think Nanny Flo may have instrumental in bringing out more information from Chelsea, pill's everywhere? 

I remember pills as a child but they were penny candy.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

C.C. and the bunch of Pillbillies were aware of Haleigh's whereabouts at Shell Dock?  These human skunks misled
everyone. 

I agree.  If you have two people in the car with the laundry, why would Misty need to help?  I can't imagine the kids having that many clothes when they are chowing down on beenie weenies, or whatever gourmet delicacy that they were eating, bought with food stamps. 

The whole thing with the laundry is strange to me.  Gma Sykes said she always did the kids' laundry, but that Misty did the laundry for her and Ron.  But the night in question there was no laundry detergent in the house.  How much laundry can be done with no detergent?  No wonder Gma Sykes said she did the kids' laundry to be sure the stains were washed out.  Without detergent, no clothes, kids or adults, are going to be clean.

This whole laundry thing...from the pile of laundry where Haleigh's shirt was found, to Gma's taking laundry over to check on the "kids", smells worse than dirty socks.

Well ... if I value my almost 45 year marriage ... I will be obliging my hubby by driving with him into Vancouver to pick up engine parts for his precious boat.

I am off.

Later, Janet
11:15 AM PT

JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH! 

On one hand I almost feel sorry for Misty. Almost like she was doomed to fail. Operative being ALMOST. Having two crackheads for parents failing out of school in sixth grade. Her life was probably a mess before she met Ron and it just got worse.

I can't see any jury sending this sorry excuse for a human being to death row. Her story is well, one of neglect and her future seemed doomed.

Even if she murdered Haleigh in cold blood, her upbringing would be taken in to account and I honestly can't see a unanimous decision to send her to death row.

Please don't get me wrong, she is a cold hearted woman, and her inner self that is revealed from time to time is not the meek crying little girl that she would like everyone to believe... she is a hard uncaring woman. I'm just making the point that it's hard to see a jury send her to death row for a crime that was committed when she was so young. 

I always reserve my sympathy for the victim and Misty is certainly not a victim here. It would almost take an act of God to pull someone who had this upbringing to the level of productive citizen.

Sykes - chin up in air - on the defense

Hollars - Chin down - Looks like she is fixin` to go fetch and load her musket

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi Monkeys just dropping in for a sec. I think with the latest story we have missed the obvious. If Misty were under the covers scared of the boogyman, why didn't she just use her trusty cellphone and call 911 from her room? Then the cops would have come, saved HaLeigh from Tommy, Timmy, Joe, etc, etc and she would have been a hero. ::MonkeyEek::

it's crazy, just hope LE is learning something from all tests she fails.

OS

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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/04/23/ng.croslin.sister.cnn

FCL~That too is a great point I never thought of before,  here everyone knows everyone else  and what you ate for dinner the night before, I must fess up to hiding, running  out the back door and going to the beach to avoid someone ::MonkeyTongue::

Good afternoon Monkeys!   ::MonkeyBike::

I have a question about Misty failing a "new" poly.  Did she really take a new poly, or is this more of NG mixing old news in with the new?

 ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyRoll::

Thank you Janet!! ::MonkeyWink::

That should come with a warning first........FTLOG can it get any worse ::MonkeyQuestion::

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Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony - BNN Radio Sunday Apr 25.

I am also very happy to announce that we will be featuring a wonderful new addition to the panel Peter Hyatt. Peter is currently employed by the state of Maine as an investigator and has been involved in many high profile cases.

His speciality is not one that many people have heard of, Statement Analysis. Just like a Profiler can build a mental picture of a suspect from physical evidence, Peter builds cases based on the spoken and written word. There is much that can be gleaned from even seemingly innocuous comments.

This investigative branch is somewhat akin to Polygraph analysis, he is looking for deception. Deception seems to be prevalent in both the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony cases so he certainly has plenty to analyse!

He is hoping to have an analysis of the Cobra tapes (article and article) for us by Sunday, however he has asked me to put out a call for help to BNN’s loyal readers. He needs someone to transcribe the audio’s. There are six in total and they are quite short. The key though is accuracy. There can be no ‘interpreting’. If you would like to volunteer for this mission drop Jan a line (jannyo@gmail.com).

Last weeks radio program broke some records in terms of live listeners and later downloaded copies, I have a feeling that this week is going to be similar.

What is truly unique is that we will have one of the protagonists caught on tape, Cobra, on the panel. I think this will lead to a pretty interesting discussion. In my opinion far more interesting than the battling Gummies Grammies that was featured on HLN.

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 :smt107

RUH ROH, RAGGY!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

...and pop them where the sun don't shine... ::MonkeyDevil::

Great question - IDK

I would think new... but you know how things have been going in this case lately.

Sky is the limit.

Who eats supper at 7:30 and goes to bed at 8:00?  What kind of stupid, frigiding babysitter was MC?  How can you feed
 little children food and a beverage and put them in bed? These people are the lousiest fudging stupid idjets I have ever heard of.

Krystal Joan Cummings.. I am pretty sure this is Ron's sister.. Drugs were nothing new to this family..

Case Information
Case Number: 42-2009-CF-001971-AXXX-XX
File Date: 05/14/2009
Judge: HALE R STANCIL

Defendant : CUMMINGS KRYSTLE JOAN (DOB: 08/03/1983)
Attorney: PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE
 

Dockets
Bond Number Count Status
IS6K279057  1 RL
IS6K279058  2 RL
IS6K279059  3 RL
IS6K279060  4 RL
Charges 
Date Citation Count Charge Level Degree Disposition
06/15/2009  1 POSSESSION OF COCAINE  F  THIRD  DROPPED/ABANDONED 
06/15/2009  2 POSSESSION OF OXYCODONE  F  THIRD  DROPPED/ABANDONED 
06/15/2009  3 POSSESSION OF HYDROCODONE  F  THIRD  DROPPED/ABANDONED 
06/15/2009  4 POSSESSION OF ALPRAZOLAM  F  THIRD  DROPPED/ABANDONED 
Dockets

http://casesearch.marioncountyclerk.org/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.CaseView&Case_id=1326615&CFID=1149531&CFTOKEN=34680164

Thank you Carpe.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I guess if she took a new one, we will be hearing the details soon.  At least I hope so. 

These people must have had the best lawyers in all of Putnam!

Every charge seems to get miraculously dropped.

... or connections. Strong ones.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sykes looks to me like she's saying... 'Bring it biotch!!!!"

Hollars looks to me like a rattlesnake about to strike....

 ::MonkeyEek::

I would behave at all times around these two  ::MonkeyEek::

::MonkeyMad::

This is what I don't get, how in the he77 do they keep getting off, Ron was arrested at various times for pot, opium, GHB, cocaine,and much more, his sister had arrest IIRC for aiding a jail escapee etc., it's mind boggling.

I think I have read all of the post and do not remember this being discussed. Found it on the Center for Missing and Exploited Children website.

Medical Conditions: Haleigh has been diagnosed with Turner Syndrome, a genetic disorder present in approximately 1 out of every 2,500 live female births. Turner Syndrome's features may include, but are not limited to: restricted growth of the long bones and ovaries, heart defects and vision problems, multiple birthmarks, and swollen fingers and toes. Most people with Turner's Syndrome don't grow to be more than four and a half feet tall. Haleigh requires hormone treatments and monthly visits to a cardiologist and endocrinologist due to her condition. She may be in need of medical condition.

If Haleigh had a heart condition than any type of opiate would have been very detrimental to her health. Also such a traumatic thing as being raped at her age could have thrown her into a heart attack.

One thing I've always been curious about, since wayback when we first heard this, and had great discussions on it.... is who was with Sykes when they 'dropped by with the laundry'.  Seems that 'other person' with Sykes wasn't named then, and they still aren't mentioning the name.  Why would they seemingly work so hard to hide the identity of who that was????

If I were retelling what happened that night, I would have said something like 'My cousin Matilda and I went over to the MH and dropped off some laundry'.  Or........... 'My gramma and aunt/cousin/friend/etc dropped by with the laundry.  Especially would say something about the other person in the car, if asked or telling who all was there that night. 

Just seems to me to make no mention of another person along with, in the car, just makes me really want to stop and take a good long look at the reason that could be.  As other monkeys have wondered and posted, could something have happened with this other person, that ended up causing more problems with HaLeigh?  If that person is a nurse and licensed, could her license be in jeopardy if her identity is known? 

Hmmm...

Yes, good observation.   However, it could be that he knows he is a drug dealer and being one, made him say that.  He could have wanted the public to know he had a job other than drug dealing.   Honest living = would not be selling drugs like he does/did

Thank-you, I didn't know all that  ::MonkeyShocked::

Very true.

Is Crystal Cummings older than RC?

Yeah ... my first thought was church or drug class.

Didn't think of that either.

I dont know.. I was looking for krystal middle name..

Still a bit behind, trying to catch up.

CRYSTAL  GAYNELL  CUMMINGS

In case no one has yet answered.

What should this be labeled ... BREAKING NEWS ... RE-RUN??

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/ (no date to justify WHEN!!!)

Breaking News: Misty Croslin

reportedly flunks another poly!
Breaking developments in the Haleigh Cummings case! Urgent report surfaces that Haleigh's former babysitter/stepmom Misty Croslin flunks another polygraph! What does this mean for the investigation and the newly released details that cops have NOT found Haleigh's remains in the St. Johns River? Nancy Grace has all the latest, breaking developments on at 8 & 10 PM E.T. on HLN.

Thank You Brandi..

Public Records 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Criminal Traffic... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Traffic Infractions... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Non-Criminal Infraction... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Misdemeanor... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Felony... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 
  CUMMINGS, CRYSTAL GAYNELL, Defendant, Felony... 
Court Record - Lake County Clerk of Courts  www.lakecountyclerk.org - Deep Web 
 
 

IS cracks me up!  I really read there for the free for all B!tch Fest.   They are arguing over the fact that Crystal also got a Haleigh Tat supposedly after she went missing but nobody mentioned it they only bashed Ron about getting his!  Did anyone here know Crystal got a tat?

  ::monkeywine2:: I'm going to go with .....re-run ::MonkeyRoll::

Crystal Gaynell Cummings

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I don't know the exact date, but Ron is talking about it to Cobra in one of those undated tapes......might be in the transcripts from HollysGmom. I clearly remember it because he was pointing the finger at her at the time too, and told Cobra he'd show him the custody papers and Cobra says "nah, this aint no custody dispute" or something like that ::MonkeyTongue::

CUMMINGS , CRYSTAL  GAYNELL    DOB: 9/10/1980

https://www.lcso.org/asp/inmatepublic/mugshot_listing.asp
Input: Cummings ... then Crystal

Re-run!  Doesn't NG usually take fridays off??  Probably just re-hashing the whole week's "breaking" developments.  lol

Here is part of it:

CObra: I’m trying to read it man…

ROn: H-A-L-E-I-G-H

Cobra; That’s It

Ron: Let me tell you this…Crystal was titty-feeding Haleigh when I got this one

Cobra: Yea…

Ron: How come hers is just now getting on her back?

This from twitter:
 
TONIGHT: Jane goes one-on-one with the lawyer for Misty Croslin's brother - Tommy! Did he lead cops down to the river?

I don't have my son's name tattoo'd anywhere on by body but if he went missing I might get one.  Just saying all this tattoo stuff is ridiculous.

So she got it before these tapes?  Cool - I never thought it a big deal anyway, just curious if it was true.  jmo

My daughter did get Eli's birthday tattoed in roman numerals just recently.....me, I'm too chicken and don't like pain.

James Werter right?  Tommy leading LE to the water came out of his mouth I thought.

No I didn't. But will totally agree about IS and the free for all B!tch Fest  ::MonkeyEek::

Leave it to Ron, titty-feeding  ::MonkeyTongue::

It amazes me that 14 months later people are finally listening to the 911 tape that was posted where you can clearly hear Ron in the beginning yelling for Haleigh. 

::MonkeyJnBox:: I know...only he could make it sound nasty IYKWIM!

Didn't James Werter say he only represents Tommy in his drug charges, and not in anything to do with Haleigh?

I need to check my notes.

Why is he speaking to the media about Tommy and Haleigh then?

 ::MonkeyEek::

GGMS can you come do my laundry...please?

Hello monkeys,,, ::MonkeyKiss::

I wonder if someone could put a side-by-side of Chelsey and Crystal, those two could be sisters they look so much alike...just curious..  ::piggy::  ::piggy::  ::piggy::

 ::MonkeyAngel::  ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::

ITA---next thing you know folks will be arguing over who got a Haleigh t-shirt first.  It doesn't help at all.

That's what I was wondering.  If he dropped him as a client what can he talk about besides what's already been said in legaleeze that I won't understand anyway?!

Art Harris from 3/26/10:

Art Harris Breaks The Bald Truth’s Exclusive: Misty Flunks 2nd Poly

Nancy Grace 4/23/10:

Breaking developments in the Haleigh Cummings case! Urgent report surfaces that Haleigh's former babysitter/stepmom Misty Croslin flunks another polygraph! What does this mean for the investigation and the newly released details that cops have NOT found Haleigh's remains in the St. Johns River? Nancy Grace has all the latest, breaking developments on at 8 & 10 PM E.T. on HLN.

I think it's new

The only people that would make the point about an "honest living" would be someone who was familiar with making a dishonest living.

Old news.She must be referring to her most recent poly.

REVISED

RON & COBRA #1 - Audio 44 seconds

transcript:

cobra: yea, down there and he told jr. a bunch of s*** and i told jr. little jr he said...

(interrupted mid-sentence)

ron: you know what I told him? he told...let me tell you what i know what he told me...

ron: they were down there fishin` junior hank, actually i call him tommy

cobra: tommy ok

ron: ok, cuz that`s the same jr. hank jr. tommy... and joe were fishin` with austin, tommy`s son... at that dock... it got dark... that dock got swamped with alligators... he told me, he said holy f**** s*** i had to get my son out of there i thought lake placid was fixin` to go on!

cobra: yep


ron: you know what?

cobra: yep?

ron: joe said the corridor would be the perfect f****ing place to kill somebody...

cobra: bam

ron: dump them right in the water... let the alligators take care of the rest.

cobra: bam!


ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.


cobra: yea, well i`m trying to get a team down here brother and the only thing that`s
stopping that right now (end of audio)


---------------------------------------------------



RON AND COBRA - TAPE #2  2 mins. 31 secs


transcript


cobra:

i am gonna tell you this, very important, you got any connections with the cops?
you got any mf that you can get the shirt to me? i got equusearch coming
back out here... for that s*** .... with side-scanning radar there... Dunn`s bridge, both
with the scan, ya know? i gotta look for a dead child... i gotta look for a live child.
gotta do both.


ron: let me tell you this... did you know that gators... burrow?


cobra: yes.


ron: they make burrows?


cobra: i know exactly what gators do man, I`m from Miami!


ron: ...and well th-th-they make burrows where there`s air pockets on top.

(cobra interrupts)

cobra: ...and they`ll push that mud back in their house.


ron: and they will push their prey ( cobra talk over) even if it was a.... thank you, thank

you!


cobra: ...i know brother, man, i am a hillbilly, bro... i`m 52 years old... i`ve been doin`

this a couple days. (laugh)


ron: well, i`m half your age and you can see that i have...


cobra: you`re a father man!


ron: i have  a lot more knowledge than most mf`n fools.


cobra: you`re a father... (laugh) you`re a father... that`s what the main thing is.


(ron lowers voice)


ron: 3 1/2 years i have had custody these kids, why all of a sudden does everyone following me around  the house sayin` baby killer?


cobra: i dunno bro... cuz maybe your girlfriend lost lost one? that`s the only thing...

(unintelligible)

grab in there and pry on her, I guess. you know? Why they came up missing? That`s
why... that`s the only reason i know why.

ron: you know what?

cobra: there ain`t nobody heard nothing until a child missing!


ron: I can`t believe, I can`t believe... EXACTLY!


cobra: f****** joe, man. f******* joe ... joe is such a good liar, man... joe is such a good  f*****... another thing else bro!


(while cobra is talking - ron says something about money - sounds like 700 dollars to catch him)


ron: you know what the thing is? you know what the thing is? you know what the thing is?

cobra: (unintelligible) ...ass on somebody

cobra: i keep... i keep (unintelligible) on joe, i hate to take him out in the f***** swamp! I don`t know what his levels are, bro.

ron: i`m scared... i`m scared of him.

cobra: yea, that`s it... don`t you f*** around now. you kids, man! you got somebody you can....

ron: junior is gonna be with me forever....til the day I die... even if he`s got to go with
me like that. (sirens wailing)....til` the day i die, daddy`s little boy.

(showing off tattoos)

cobra: that`s junior?

ron: that`s junior... daddy`s little boy!

(sirens wailing)

cobra: hey, another mother ****** you can investigate!

ron: ...and daddy`s little girl....Haliegh...

cobra: with a capital H... what`s that all about? I thought it was just regular spellin`...
spell it like that HAY-LEE? I mean with a capital L... two separate names like HAI-LIEGH?

ron: well, actually that`s how it was supposed to be spelled on the birth certificate and i
think they f**** it up!

cobra: oh

ron: ...but lemme tell you this. that one right there...

cobra: tryin` to read it, man?

ron: H-A-L-I-E-G-H?

cobra: that`s it!

ron: let me tell you something...

cobra: betcha it hurt like a m****f***** gettin it

ron: Crystal....yeah... but Crystal was titty feeding Haliegh when I got this one....
How come hers is just now gettin` on her back?

(end of audio)

Thanks Carpe  ::MonkeyCool::

Anytime! Anything for Haliegh and the Monks. ::MonkeyKiss::

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Haleigh Cummings update: Has Nancy Grace gone too far?
Posted by John Peterson on April 23, 2010

Has Nancy Grace gone too far in her reporting of Haleigh Cummings? In an attempt to report on Haleigh Cummings on a nightly basis, Nancy allowed Art Harris to take to the air and give his ‘story’ that he heard from ‘sources.’ Be forewarned, when you hear news reports from ‘sources’ that quote ‘stories’ without facts, that someone could be unloading a heap of rumors on you.

The latest ‘story’ provided by unknown sources is in regards to Art Harris claiming that sources told him Misty Croslin was brought to the St. Johns River where she identified human bones. If you watched Nancy Grace last night, you would have heard one guest on Nancy’s panel state that it would have been a terrible misjustice by the Putnam County Sheriff’s office to bring Misty Croslin to a scene where she would possibly contaminate evidence.

Should Nancy Grace give it a rest and get back to reporting the facts of a case rather than discussing so much speculation as if it were news?  Should she make a point to clearly distinguish between facts and rumors?

She probably should, but she won’t. It appears that HLN: Headline News branched off of CNN so that they could do just that- discuss, talk about issues, and hear other opinions. This isn’t a fact, but a mere suggestion based upon the programming types that have remained on CNN and those on HLN.

Jane Velez-Mitchell, Nancy Grace, even Joy Behar sit down and talk about cases and share plenty of opinions. Though it’s true Larry King does the same thing and he is still on CNN, it would be fair to state that CNN has more news based programs and HLN has more opinion based shows.

Do you think Nancy Grace went to far or do you believe Art Harris? Do you believe that he has sources reporting the facts of the Haleigh Cumming case?  Is Nancy Grace going too far for ratings or is the Putnam County Sheriff’s office holding back?

How many children do Lindsy and Tommy have?  Isn't Austen theirs?

Yes, he is theirs.

I think I heard in a jail house tape yesterday... the #3, Mags.

Hopefully someone will back me up on that and confirm it.

if what flo is saying is true  then how come no one else heard Haleigh screaming.  The mobile home walls are thin and everything can be heard all around so how come neighbors close by didnt report hearing a little girl scream.   sl

I believe they have three, and yes that is their son.

I am not sure, but I thought a neighbor heard some screams, though I thought they heard Misty.

I went and looked it up.  They have two boys, Austen and Dustin, and a baby girl named Layla.

The wig has now been fully explained.

Thank you, Heart!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

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Misty only needed clorox to wash stains off sheets and blankets. 

Granny Sykes didn't want stains on the children's clothes, she didn't seem to mind Haleigh was absentee from Kindergarden 70 percent of time, mostly unaccountable absentees.

Granny did dress Haleigh adorable too bad she just couldn't stand up to Ronald.  ::MonkeyEek::

I recall a Ronald's (next door) neighbor's mobile home was unoccupied at that time, don't know which side. 

I could be wrong but on Tape 2 at the beginning shirt should be search?

I found this on da Internets!


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 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't either, but I'm certain someone heard some commotion that night  ::MonkeyConfused::

Dats gooooddd!

I can't for the life of me figure out why she has so many strange hairdos. It would seem that one would have to totally go out of their way to come up with some of those hairdos  ::MonkeyTongue::  Chelsea and Crystal do look alike, I never really paid that much attention to that before  ::MonkeyEek::

It`s friggin` AWESOME!

I wish I could claim it.  ...but I can`t.

Someone with a great sense of humor, though. ::MonkeyDevil::

Remember the report by a neighbor?: "A Neighbor heard screams in or around the trailer, at 2:25 am."

By Cindy Swirko
Staff writer


Published: Sunday, February 7, 2010 at 6:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Sunday, February 7, 2010 at 6:40 a.m.
( page of 5 )

SATSUMA - Judy Poppen was sleeping soundly in the early morning of Feb. 10 last year when she was awakened by a commotion around 3 a.m.



"The first thing that woke us up was Misty walking and crying and talking to somebody on the phone," Poppen said of her next-door neighbor, Misty Croslin. "The next thing you know, the police are here, and ... they are in our house, searching. It was like bang, bang, bang."

Life changes slowly in Satsuma, which is fine with the many retirees who, like Poppen, moved here to float away their days fishing the St. Johns River.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20100207/articles/2071020

 ::MonkeyDevil::  You have out done yourself.I spit Dr.Pepper all over myself. 

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Thank you Brandi.  I just noticed she asked for Chelsea & Crystal, (not Lindsey).   ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes, Brandi, according to reports "noises were heard at 2:22 am from inside or around the trailer".

Is it not clear who's trailer the noices where were heard from?  Was it Tommy's or Ronald's trailer? It could have been staged,
because Tommy and Lindsy called the police around that time, but not on 911, they didn't want recorded.

This lead's me to believe everything was orchestrated to maniplate and confuse the search.  I

 do not believe one thing from The Croslin's. ::MonkeyNoNo::

A neighbor claims they heard MC around 2:25am yelling. It's right at the beginning of this video around the 53 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

NP ;-)

Missing Haleigh Cummings- Neighbor heard noises

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUDIsp9xQM

Are We Related????

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Carpe,

Thank-you for the fun, they are so cute.  Could you please write initials on the little darling's?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

James Werter is saying flat out that Tommy said Nada to Flo Hollars.

Thank-you for the info on the neighbor  ::MonkeyCool::

WTH

Tommy has knowledge of what happened but is not responsible.  (per JVM & his attorney)

Interesting

Hubby just walked in and caught me watching JVM and asks who's that kid when the panel came up.  He was talking about Levi Page.  So than he's like why is he on there?  Ha ha ha!

I agree with your hubby!

LOL

The attorney says Tommy denies telling Flo anything, but someone asks attorney if he has heard the taped phone call & the attorney says no.

Then how does he know?  ::MonkeyEek::

The attorney is from New York & can't relate to this emotional IQ. 
(Regarding questions on the theories presented by Flo)

 Says it's hard to relate to these people because their emotional i.q. is different than most people  ::MonkeyTongue::

That's my question, as well, No Rose.

Do we pick & choose what we want to believe is the truth?  (Especially from proven liars.)
I know I'm guilty of it.  I guess the attorney is too.

But I really would want to hear that phone call before I would be willing to say Flo is lying.

One thing I know for sure is that this clan is driving me to drink!!!
 ::monkeywine2::

Good question.


 James Werter isn't privy to the tapes because it is an investigation. So his word isn't worth much.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Edit: correct typo in name, per Seahorse.  MB

I am sorry I miss spelled the attorney's name, it is James Werter, and his word isn't worth much since he hasn't listened to the tapes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Haleigh Cummings & Caylee Anthony & A Long Discussion

I had the opportunity to have a pretty in depth discussion with Statement Analysis expert Peter Hyatt a couple of days ago. His brand of science and art is not Voodoo, it makes perfect sense. Just like the polygraph reveals deception so does the written and spoken word if you know what to look for.

In many ways he backed up the age old theory that in every lie there is a grain of truth. Sometimes it is hard to find, but it is there. The real challenge is finding all of those grains and piecing together the puzzle.

Cases such as Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony become convoluted quickly. Andy Warhol’s 15 minutes of fame rule seems to become the norm. As a case ages, the spider web of ‘important’ people seems to grow at an exponential rate.

There can be no better example of this phenomena as the Haleigh Cummings case. In the rabid need to bring news to the public, just about everyone that is even remotely related to the little girl has spoken out. It does not matter that they had not seen her in years, it does not matter that they knew nothing about her circumstances at the time of the disappearance, they are all experts.

Who holds the real key to Haleigh Cummings? It is not the battling grammies, it is not the aunts and uncles, and probably not the infamous cousin. The truth lays within a very small group of people. Alas this magic band are not being forthcoming.

There is a triumvirate and they do hold the key, Misty Croslin, her then lover Ronald Cummings, and Misty’s esteemed brothers Tommy and Timmy. OK, some one will point out that a triumvirate is three, and I have mentioned four. I believe that when this case is solved three of those four will be implicated.

Based on the crash course that Peter Hyatt gave me, I have been reading and thinking about what all of these people have publicly said over the past 14 months. It gets depressing faster than a speeding bullet. His analysis of the original 911 tape is incredibly revealing. An even more compelling analysis  of the case concerns the early investigation. Read this, oh and make sure that your tray tables and seats are in the upright position! Read it here.

I was talking to him yesterday and he said something that caught my attention, “Reading the truth is boring. The truth is the truth. But reading deception is fascinating”

Oh I can’t wait to talk to him on Sunday. You will not want to miss this program, the link is here.

Simon Barrett

Thank you seahorse.  I'm glad to see I'm not the only one questioning his opinion on Flo since he hasn't heard the tapes yet.

Me too, just brought up a glass of Baileys ready for Nancy, thankfully it is Friday and she usually isn't there.

Baileys sound good, but I already have my glass of wine.

Looks like NG is a repeat?!

cheers everyone.   ::monkeywine2::

Misty blames "kidnapper" for ruining her life.
Tommy blames drugs for ruining his.

Here we go ..."BOMBSHELL TONITE"

Misty said that she seen this chit on tv but never thought that it would happen to them...humm so she may have been keeping up with the Anthony story?

Misty looks to me like she has gained quiet a bit of weight while in there

bb12 has her own chat incase anyone wants to know.i told her i would spread the word       http://bb12-chris.chatango.com/

It's semantics....parsing of words....putting a spin on it....IMO

The attorney isn't saying he "knows" Tommy didn't talk to Flo....he's saying that "Tommy said he didn't talk to Flo".  AND if you want to get real technical....the attorney didn't say that Tommy told me that "today".  All you have to remember is that attorneys don't have to tell us the truth...he's hired to protect Tommy...not to tell us the truth.  I know it sounds blunt, but that's the way it is.....

I think this is a rerun  ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks

Honey Buns run amok

Thank you Puzzler.  I always appreciate & enjoy your input.   ::MonkeyAngel::

who is that in the back seat and why is their face blurred out? He asked her did she want him to just drop her off like before and she said yes and then it sounded just like she said Kelley I want you to walk with me? did anyone else hear that? Please tell me that his is not Nay Nays sister Kelley..a minor?

I'm pretty sure that's who it was determined it was, my mind is numb but IIRC didn't TJ Hart upload an arrest report that wasn't redacted and it gave her name ::MonkeyTongue:: Again-just going by memory.....

Oh my gosh , where was I ...I missed that somehow  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The following quote of Grandma Sykes ... tells me that Tommy told his Grandma Flora something.

I missed both JVM and NG.  Where there any BOMBSHELLS!!  I can watch the repeat of NG is about one hour if there is something worth watching.

Youngest son and wife stopped in with some Chinese food.  It may not have been my choice but but ... not complaining.  When I do not have to cook ... all is good with my world.

Janet
6:00 PM PT

++++++

Nancy Grace - April 22, 2010

ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: ... Ms. Hollars called me and told me -- she certainly did -- that she had called down here and told them what Tommy had told her. And Teresa and I went and -- over to that area and walked around all afternoon and looked in the woods over there. But of course, we didn`t find anything.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

LOL about cooking, welcome to my world ::MonkeyHaHa:: I tend to agree with you, the coincidence of TN and GGMS going the night before the search and GGMS admission that G Hollars did call her leads me to believe that he did tell her something.

Then there were three more related buys that took place in early January. On the 18th of January 2010, Misty Croslin was sufficiently trained, or shall we say dumb enough, to consummate an illegal drug transaction by herself, along with a black haired white female that PCSO has only identified as Kelly. New information indicates that she is a minor and is the sister of Kristina “NayNay” Prevatt. On the first two deals, Hope Sykes, the 18-year-old simply sat in the backseat of the under cover agent’s car and did virtually nothing but receive on the job training.

http://johnhgohdecommentator.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/misty-croslin-got-robbed/

Thank-you, MuffyBee, for the edit, sorry I took up so much space. Where is your little bee? not the stinger-bee!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

that was some pretty monkey butt(retching) :smt104

Why does JVM and NG continue to book Werter on their shows if he is no longer representing Tommy in HaLeigh's case.

Anc why would Tommy need an attorney for HaLeigh's case since he has not been charged for it. He claims to not have had anything to do with the disappearance of HaLeigh.

I sure thought that by now somebody would've given every terrible detail. For real, not another version of Joe did it.  Even the Joe did it story never gets any further than that. No hows, no "and then he did this", a big fat nada. These guys are tough.

I did catch a little bit of NG ( :smt097 ),  what was the small mention by Jean Cesaris about Ron making deals with the prosecutor? It got stepped on fairly quickly but I may have missed it if they talked about it more. Wonder if he's giving up the dope dealers or about this?

Me too, so let's see who hasn't had the finger pointed to them and go from there ::piggy:: and the BBM I had never heard before until tonight, and yes she did a great job of circumventing that lil tid bit ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

              :smt034    It's pretty quiet in here..........

Like crickets.........chirp. We are in the middle of a storm so I hope we keep th electrity tonight.

       ::MonkeyHaHa::  I thought it was my imagination but she almost had a nano second flash of surprise when JC said it.  somebody on here used to talk about those tiny looks that give away your true feelings.....(crs) I can't remember what it's called but I think I saw it!! Whatever.

I know, it was quick and BAM over......kinda like my ex ::MonkeyWink:: J/K !! 

Well get your trusty Patron and have a shot and enjoy the storm. I always love a good thunderstorm.   Have a great weekend. Let's hope somebody cracks ( besides gumma)
j

::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

I do too, but not the kind where I have to go move my deck furniture IN the house......high winds and huge waves, but it's very peaceful in a weird way and I love to sleep when it's stormy.

I hope something breaks soon and something that's credible enough for prosecution, I'm really getting worried ::MonkeyNoNo::

Night MizJay

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm telling.  KLAAAAAAS!!!

 ::MonkeyTongue::

  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::monkeywine2::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

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wow pre drug days he looks normal!!!

Belks?  Ummm, actually,  I got this little cutie from Bloomingdalesbutts   ::rhino::

I don't think LE  can break Misty(yet) because she is covering for her "man". She probably doesn't have a clue about "self". ::MonkeyNoNo::

i agree about ron..and i also think she is covering for him

mizjay-  Those minute leaks of emotion are called micro-expressions (some call them "tells").  You can read more about them at the Eyes For Lies website http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com (http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com)/ . She explains it far better than I could, as she has links to researchers who've documented micro-expressions.  It's really interesting.  Once it's really explained, you can spot it instantly.

Evening, all!  Checking Haleigh's thread for the arrest that will come.  Hope you have a good weekend!

Awww....thank you, Cece

What did Hank and Lisa know and when did they know it?

Was it really for a family reunion that Hank and Lisa went to Tennessee?

Whatever happened to the men and female that came back to Satsuma with Hank?
Were any of these people with Joe when Joe went to Satsuma in Feb. 2009?



Haleigh Update: Step Grandma Arrested in TN
TJ Hart

Lisa Croslin, the step grandmother of missing 6-year-old Haleigh Cummings of Satsuma, has been arrested in Tennessee after a warrant for felony forgery was issued by Putnam County with a nation-wide pickup.


Lisa Croslin recenty  told several radio, tv and print news organizations she doubted her daughter Misty Croslin-Cummings was home when 6-year old Haleigh vanished from the trailer Misty shared with the child's father, Ronald Cummings.

In fact, Lisa Croslin reportedly backed up a claim made by her son who just bonded out of the Putnam County on an unrelated theft of a gun charge. Her son--and Misty's brother-- Hank Thomas Croslin Jr. stated he went to Rona and Misty's trailer at about 10 p.m. at Ronald's request by phone to check on Misty and the kids the night Haleigh was taken. Hank "Tommy" Croslin said he banged on the door and the home had no lights on and was quiet. He told Putnam County deputies no one was home.

Lisa Croslin was the woman who returned the gun Tommy Croslin allegedly took from a former neighbor hours after the man noticed it missing from his home when the two went there to use his phone.

Shortly after that, Lisa and her husband Hank Croslin Sr. left the Satsuma area rather quickly headed to be in Tennessee at Lisa's mother's home.[/b]
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5292416.php


Following is the report by Deputy Nicole Quintiere:

On August 5th, 2009 I was dispatched to the parking lot of the Welaka Kangaroo in reference to the report of a battery. When I arrived on scene, I met with Hank Croslin Jr and Hank Croslin Sr and also Lisa Croslin. Upon initial assessment of the situation I gathered that Hank Croslin Jr had been battered by Ronald Cummings.

Upon further investigation into the incident, I spoke with Hank Croslin Jr on his own. Hank stated that he, Lisa and Hank Sr had gotten a phone call from Misty who was crying and yelling.  He said that Misty asked for them to come to her residence and pick her up because she no longer wanted to be at the residence with Ronald. In an attempt to obtain his sister, he, Lisa and Hank Sr drove to her residence on 4th Avenue. He stated that when he arrived at the residence on 4th Avenue Ronald came out and was acting crazy. He said that Ronald came out and began "swinging on him". He said that he was hit in the head and neck several times.  He said that after they got in their physical altercation, he entered his vehicle in an attempt to drive away and Ronald entered the vehicle on the passenger side and began striking him again.  He said that at that time, he drove away and went to the Kangaroo in Welaka to call 911.  Hank Jr completed a written statement in reference to the incident. He also signed a charging affidavit against Ronald Cummings for Burglary with Battery. Hank Jr was transported to Putnam Community Medical Center complaining of injury to his neck and head.

After speaking with Hank Jr, I spoke with Lisa Croslin. Lisa stated that she was not sure what Ronald was on but he was not in the right state of mind. She said that up until now she never knew him as being violent. She said that they had received a phone call from her daughter Misty screaming and crying. She said that she was worried about her daughter and went to the residence to check on her. She said that when they arrived on scene Ronald went crazy. She said that when they were in the driveway of the residence Ronald came to the vehicle and hit her son. Lisa completed a written sworn statement in reference to the incident.

It should be noted that Hank Sr was at the scene as well. He stated that he did not wish to complete a written or recorded statement. He said that he did not want his daughter to be mad at him so he did not want to take any action. He did state though that he was at the residence when the fight occurred. He said that Ronald went crazy on his son.  He said that they arrived and Ronald came out irate. He said that Ronald hit his son several times and then was forced back into the residence. He stated that after a few more minutes Ronald came back out and initiated another fight. He said that they got into three separate physical altercations before leaving the residence to call 911. No written or recorded statement was provided. He stated that he would be willing to speak in court if a subpoena was issued for him.

After speaking with all three of those subjects, I located Ronald Cummings at 216 4th Avenue.  Upon initial contact, I detained Ronald Cummings for my safety and the safety of all others at the scene.It should be noted that Ronald Cummings is usually in possession of some sort of hand gun and it was mentioned that he may have been in possession of it at the current time.  Ronald was taken outside of the residence by me and Deputy Nelson. Sgt Cecil Manning stayed in the residence with Misty Croslin and Ronald's grandmother Annette Sykes. Ronald was asked to explain what happened with Hank Croslin Jr. He stated to me that he did not wish to speak that it was his right to remain silent. At that time, I asked Deputy Nelson to stay with Ronald while I spoke with Misty and Annette.

Upon speaking with Misty she stated that she had talked to her brother on the telephone. She said that she asked him why he had been calling her residence all day. She said that he asked her if he could come over and she said no because it was too late. She said that he then made a big ordeal about not being able to see her and said he was coming over anyway. She said that when he arrived at the residence, he began a verbal altercation with Ronald. She then said that Hank Jr came at Ronald and a physical altercation began. She said that Ronald went into the residence as instructed by his grandmother. When Hank did not leave the residence Ronald came back out and another physical altercation began. Misty said that she was trying to break up the fight and got hit in the face two times by Hank Jr and her dad Hank Sr because she was in the middle of the fight. She said that they fought for a little while longer and then her brother and mom and dad left. Misty completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident.

After speaking with Misty I spoke with Ronald's grandmother Annette Sykes. Annette stated that she was in bed and heard a racket outside of her house. She said she got up and opened the door. She said she saw a group of people outside in her front yard. She said she saw three men in a crowd screaming and yelling. She realized that the men were Ronald Cummings, Hank Croslin Jr and Hank Croslin Sr. She said that they were fighting and Misty and her mother were trying to get them to stop.  Misty told them to leave the residence. She said that she attempted to break up the fight and told Ronald to go into the residence and everyone else to leave.She said that she separated Ronald and Hank Jr and sent Ronald in the house. She said she pushed Hank Jr, Sr and Lisa into their van and told them to leave. She said that Hank Jr continued to yell at Ronald. She said that Ronald came back out and they went to fighting again.  She said that Hank Jr was in the van and Ronald reached in again after him to continue the altercation.  She said that again she sent Ronald into the residence and slammed the van door shut so that Hank, Hank and Lisa would leave. She said that Hank Jr was going to the handy way to call the sheriffs office. Annette completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident.

It should be noted that Ronald Cummings made it very clear at the scene that he had a right to remain silent and did not wish to speak about the incident without a lawyer. Ronald was placed in the rear seating area of my patrol vehicle. He was advised that he was being charged with Burglary with battery. Ronald was transported to the jail without incident.  When we arrived at the jail he advised that he wished to "fill out a statement just like everyone else did against him". He stated also that he wanted to sign charging affidavits in reference to battery against Hank Croslin Jr and Hank Croslin Sr.

In Ronald's statement he stated that three people Hank Croslin Jr, Sr and Lisa Croslin showed up at his grandma's house after they were told not to come there by his wife Misty Cummings.  He said that Hank Jr and Sr got out of the van and approached in an "aggressive" manner.  He said that he asked Hank Jr to get out of his face and he then came closer. He thought he was going to hit him so he pushed him out of the way. He said that Hank Jr then hit him after Ronald pushed him and the physical altercation began. He said that Hank Sr then entered the fight and held him while Hank Jr hit him. Ronald completed a sworn written statement in reference to the incident and also signed charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr for battery.

Ronald was booked without incident on the charge of Burglary with Battery. His bond is set at $12,504.00. Photographs were taken of Ronald Cummings and Hank Croslin Jr's injuries. The photographs have been uploaded onto the PCSO website for further review. At this time, the charging affidavits against Hank Croslin Jr and Sr will be forwarded to the State Attorney's Office for further review. Any further reports or supplements will be completed and submitted in a timely manner
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-06/story/ronald_cummings_arrested_for_burglary_battery


Haleigh Cummings - Would $35,000 Get Her Back? Hank Croslin’s Call

On August 28th, Misty Cummings’ father, Hank Croslin Sr., left a voicemail message for Miller claiming Ronald Cummings told him “If I had $35,000, I could have Haleigh back.”

AUDIO: Hank Croslin Sr.’s Voice Message

Miller sought the help of a fellow Texan and friend of Millers, Roy Moffitt of Roy Moffitt Customized Fueling Inc.. Moffit has since written a check to Ronald Cummings for $35,000 payable upon the safe return of Haleigh.

The Sky’s TJ Hart asked Miller what exactly the $35,000 was for. Miller said he was only concerned about getting missing Haleigh back and that he “didn’t give a damn.”

Hart now has in his possession and has forwarded copies of telephone messages of Croslin making the $35,000 claim and another one from Ronald Cumming mother Teresa Neves from August 18th.

In that message, Neves appeared to be concerned about Misty’s state of mind, saying she won’t even be in the same room as Ronald,and leaves to talk on the phone privately and is acting “crazy” Neves urges Miller to come to Florida quickly because Misty ”is ready to crack’
http://www.bloggernews.net/122100


Meanwhile, the St. Johns County Jail, where Croslin is being held, on Wednesday released a videotape of Croslin speaking with her father in which he urges her to tell authorities what she knows about the Haleigh case.

"Misty, don't be lying about nothing because all it's going to do is bury you deeper," Hank Croslin Sr. tells his daughter. "The Haleigh stuff has got to come to an end. It has to, Misty."
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100203/ARTICLES/100209873


Misty's brother, Tommy Croslin, and her father, Hank Croslin Sr., lived about 100 yards away in the same neighborhood.

But neighbors say Hank Croslin Sr. moved out last Saturday, leaving behind some broken furniture and toys on the road.  The seven neighbors First Coast News talked to Tuesday said they were glad all the relatives are gone.

"They were a nuisance to the neighborhood," said neighbor Stephanie Santos. "They were very scary to the kids."

Several other neighbors didn't want to be named or talk on camera.http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=151835&provider=rss



Joseph Overstreet is a Misty Croslin’s cousin and was in a dispute with Haleigh’s father, Ronald Cummings, when Cummings accused him of stealing a gun. Overstreet moved back to Tennessee after Haleigh disappeared. He was interviewed by detectives before being cleared last year.

Tuesday, officers, divers and police dogs from several Northeast Florida agencies combed an area off County Road 309, including the river and woods on either bank. Dozens of searchers, divers and several boats are being used, including some equipped with sophisticated underwater sonar.

The search location is previously un-searched. It is off Shell Harbour Road, close to where Misty Croslin’s parents lived on Magnolia Drive before Haleigh disappeared. Her father, Hank Croslin Sr., said Overstreet had stayed at the residence before.

http://www.wikio.com/comments/?infoid=181734131

He doesn't... he just told Jane what his client says.
Lawyers should believe in their clients... they don't always, but they should.