if you read the CONTEXT of the conversation
your questions re who "he" is will be answered:
not MB boyfriend
not dirtyhand/DirtyHand
etc ...
analyze the competition between sim/checkme ...
keeping in mind how sim blew up at
shango/shock/checkme a couple days later:
"knows shango, knows shock, knows checkme"
"they are believed but should not be"
"maybe I should make a call on you/get you 8 days in the hole"
etc ...
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simultaneously, at 4:48/4:49 sim/checkme post:
"can't say what I want" and "gotta go" ... hmmmm
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crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:49 pm
Yesterday, it was said that Joran was seen with wires hooked up to him implying he was taking a lie detector - did anyone ever hear anything else on that?
VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 2:56 pm
I’m worried about checkme; has anyone heard from him today?
crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:59 pm
Checkme was on very early this morning and has not shown up since - I think he had some new news so hopefully he shows up.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:59 pm
There’s not even a trace of her. At this point I am inclined to believe in a theory that has been going around on the island, but that I find difficult to post here.crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:01 pm
POPY was insane. he is back in his padded room today - i saw it on the news last night - Greta showed up with Beth at his moms house.
scaredshitless on June 22nd, 2005 3:01 pm
Simian: and what is that?
crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:02 pm
Simian - just tell us - don’t offer us pudding and then eat it yourself.
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:03 pm
Simien:
How can you possibly find it hard to post anything here! Pls. tell me/us what is going around on the island!
DFW Guy on June 22nd, 2005 3:04 pm
Simian, come on. What is the rumor on the island?
pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 3:05 pm
crs-lol
his dad was hiding in the azalea bushes with his feet showing. the mom heard him invite them in and scurried around to clean the house. taking the pictures of popy out of the trash and putting them back on the mantlepiece. we love our popy, she exclaims!
MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 3:10 pm
To crs: In answer to your question, regarding Joran being wired (and whatever), I am also curious to know if anyone heard more on that.
And I understand that Joran is AGAIN changing his story? Must be AFTER his supposed lie detector test??
Hmmmmm…….
crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:11 pm
Simien - We’re waiting……….we don’t have all day!
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:14 pm
Okay Simen - PRETTY PLEASE tell us what is being said on the island!!!!!
DFW Guy on June 22nd, 2005 3:17 pm
Simian, can’t you at least tell us what the rumor is? It’s not like you started it. Come on.
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 3:18 pm
MOMfromMO
Yesterday at the SMonkeys discussion forum, it was mentioned that he was being checked (EKG????) and was going to be put on a suicide watch. When I read it I assumed that an scenario that would permit Joran to be transfered to a more confortable environment (private clinic???) was being set up.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 3:21 pm
I guess Simian’s mom put him down for a nap finally.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:17 pm
I am listening to Sean Hannity right now and he says Joran’s story is changing again.
pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:19 pm
crs-changing from this morning’s changed story, or is this the same changed story? and do they say what it was changed too?
crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:21 pm
I am waiting - Hannity is on commercial - I will update as soon as he gives the scoop.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:23 pm
The news in Aruba has reported that Joran has shut down.ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:25 pm
Simian what does that mean??
crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:27 pm
Stopped talking.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:27 pm
He has gone in a sort of downer mood. Is not saying anything anymore.crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:28 pm
Sim - are you going telling us your info or not from earlier?
VANESSA on June 22nd, 2005 4:28 pm
Shut down as in not talking anymore….possibly about to crack.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm
Sim - Right now we hear Joran has changed his story again - what do your hear?
crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:30 pm
Vanessa - either that or he has told all he knows.
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:32 pm
You mean he has been talking for the past 3 weeks, and NOW he decides to shut up? What a jerk. Obviously since Nat has not been found, he hasn’t given much concrete info to begin with. Why shut up now Joran. I mean have you even given authorities a clue on where Nat might be? Why stop talking now.
give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:36 pm
We have to know that “Montana” (house where Joran and family lives) is really part of “Noord”. I reported yesterday that there was something going on. It was the parents finally meeting each other. Aruba is working.crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:37 pm
Checkme - any new tidbits you can provide today? Do you still think what we talked about yesterday to be true?
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm
June 16, 2005 08:26 AM on RiehlWorldView:
“I have always loved Aruba for it’s multi cultural society. Even to see how under extreme stress we can still see each others humanity gives me hope. On this island the distances are very short so you cannot remain distant and judge coldly. “
ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm
Is Simian gone??
pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:44 pm
do you think it odd that not only do we mainly hear about joran, not the brothers. but also that steve croes is a friend of the brothers, not so much joran. i think there is something going on in regards to the brothers. there is no spotlight on them right now.
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:46 pm
Do you guys believe that Simien tried to send us a message and got placed in a “moderator”????? Do you think he’s for real? Or are his walls padded? Or maybe he needs a nap?
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm
You got it pktbk.
CRS, all still stands dude.crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm
what was up with Checkme’s last post. Checkme, give me something today - you are always right on.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm
I am here. Can’t say the things I want…
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:49 pm
Sorry CRS, gotta go.Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There's testimony, there's security footage, there are witnesses.Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:52 pm
WO!
crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm
Sim can you elaborate anymore than that? Is this your opinion or based on something mre concrete?
pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm
wow…..we’ve made more progress in the last five minutes than all week!!
crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:54 pm
pktbk - sim is contradicting what checkme says. Thoughts?
Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:55 pm
What did CheckMe say?
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:58 pm
what alibi does the 5th suspect have??
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm
Who is the 5th suspect? There are now 4. Who is the 5th?
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm
whose boyfriend earlier in the week??????
Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm
Huh Simian?
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm
What boyfriend? Whose? I am confused Sim.
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm
This is getting really bizarre. Who’s boyfriend from earlier in the week?
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm
Simian:
Boyfriend from earlier? Can you elaborate??
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm
Simian -
Is #5 Van Rijn????????
rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm
I think he is saying NH had an earlier aquaintance during the first couple of days of the trip — I think.
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm
crs
I think you blew the cover.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm
rem - you may be right.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:11 pm
Was the lover on the trip??
rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm
Sim -Surely your not saying a local MT brook boyfriend would be involved in this, would you.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:14 pm
Sim -I think your reaching
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:15 pm
How could a local MT boyfriend be involved. The FBI would have cracked this case already through phone records and the internet. I don’t believe this. This is yet ANOTHER rumor!
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm
He had to be let go.crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm
Does seem a little far fetched.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:18 pm
Sim - again is this your theory or something more concrete?
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:22 pm
This is not my theory. This is for real.crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:23 pm
Sim - I will give you your props if it proves correct.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm
Sim - let me get this right - seriously - you are saying NH’s ex killed her on the trip and the friends are covering up that he did this? Hence giving him an airtight alibi as you say.
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:25 pm
I do not know if it is true, but about 12 days ago it was reported that the roomates had not worried because she had only slept in the room the first night. Did not say if she had slept at other friends’ or elsewhere.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:28 pm
Simian is late with facts and wrong with his speculations.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm
Sim - your not making any sense- on the one hand you seem to be saying an ex killed NH and on the other hand you are back talking about the boys - why would one of the boys try and kill himself if he is being framed?
rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:29 pm
elaborate Checkme
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm
But who is the ex-boyfriend? Is he someone from the US, or did Natalee meet him in Aruba? Who is Van Rijn?
Rob on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm
Sim,
Was this #5 perhaps someone Joran was having a confrontation with in C&C’s?
Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm
He said the ex was at “home.” He said the 5th had an alibi - that is not necessarily the ex.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:30 pm
Checkme- that is what i figured as you have by far been the most accurate and I am with you on your theory.
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm
Checkme
Please put us up-to-date.
rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:31 pm
Sim is saying that her ex’s friends had something to do with this, her ex was back in alabama, right Sim
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:33 pm
Checkme and Simian
This is it for you guys. You need to deliver something, since you have created all this expectation
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:36 pm
Lucy - i think Sim is a long shot, this is the first day i have seen him on the boards and he has not been right so far but i would stick with Checkme.
Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:36 pm
I think it’s Checkme’s turn to deliver.
rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm
I agree with CRS. Checkme, where do we stand?
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm
crs
Will follow your advice. For a while I thought he was a java duplicate.
Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:39 pm
lucy - what’s a java duplicate?
crs - what is checkme’s theory?
Sim - what?
rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:39 pm
I think I scared he/she off with the last comment directed toward friends of NH’s ex.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm
Checkme believes NH is part of a kidnapping and has been moved most likely to Columbia - he believes Joran is totally innocent - he believes the brothers and Croes to be involved.
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm
What you do with what I say is up to you Lucy. I give a finger, you “expect” a body.
Simian, a motive from Joran we do not have.
Twitty will let Joran free soon.
CRS, good hearing you again, proly because you followed my trail. I think that’s because you have read and felt what I have and tie it all together to the seemingly most likely scenario. Like Simian, I hate repeating myself.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:41 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:42 pm
I think Lucy thought sim and checkme were the same person.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:44 pm
Checkme - you have not been wrong so far and I think what we have talked about to be very possible.
Snippy on June 22nd, 2005 5:45 pm
Sim..I get you now..THANKS…you could be right..I “See” you mentioned that dreaded C word like I did and had your post deleted…
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:45 pm
Trisher
I guess I have started to really believe that I was one more of the detectives on this case. Around 4:48 CRS asked Chjeckme if he was around. Simian said, a few lines afterwards something like I am here but can’t say everything. Out of the blues, I decided that Simian and Checkme perhaps were the same person. In computer languages, I think they call Simian a code that identifies a duplicate.
crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:47 pm
Can someone explain to me in Sim’s theory who is guy 1 and guy 2, which is Joran?
Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:49 pm
Checkme
I don’t expect a body. Perhaps a short summary of your latest discovery. Did not mean to be pushy, but just like everyone, just want your info updates to keep coming. My apologies.
Rob on June 22nd, 2005 5:51 pm
Simian,
Hence the confrontation with Joran that the other students reported seeing at C&C’s?
sunny71 on June 22nd, 2005 5:52 pm
so NH only slept in the assigned room with her roommates on the first night of their vacation? Is that correct?
If so, I’m really starting to wonder about this girl. Where did she sleep all the other nights? Did she have her bags packed the whole week, ready to leave at a moments notice?
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm
Sunny 71
She may have slept at other classmates room. If they hung around together, came to the hotel, and slept in somebody elses’s room.
cancon on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm
ah wait a minute, wait a minute, having experienced this somewhat myself……
the rumour de jour is that Natalee only slept in her room one night, could it be Natalee did not get along with her specific roomates which would explain why they seemed so clueless last night on Fox, had there been some big blowout so Natalee was bunking with others????
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm
Lucy, CRS did an excellent recap for us all. Please don’t confuse me anymore with Simian. Just like van Sijn and van Rijn…
One thing I do want to repeat. It is so easy to throw mud at our authorities. Please don’t. We are all doing our best every day to have NH reunited with her family. We are not very good at the media show which is why I am also happy our system is closed while the investigative process is taking place.
I am not part of “the Aruban Authority”. Just a Human Being living in Aruba (duhhh…)crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:57 pm
Sim - i am going to have to think about this tonight and i will have some questions tomorrow morning.
cancon on June 22nd, 2005 5:59 pm
or Natalee was having a feud with one or two of the girls and thusly purposely avoiding them, only spending the min time in the room……..
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 6:01 pm
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.
I have heard from Americans living in Aruba and and they think something completely different.
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:03 pm
Take care, CU tmrw. Over and out.
Simian on June 22nd, 2005 6:04 pm
Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was [there] “the whole time”.Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:06 pm
OK so if all this is true, why did Natalee leave with Joran? Why didn’t she just go back to her hotel with her friends? AND, who’s alibi is airtight?
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:11 pm
Kristin,
Go back to the hotel? Last nite out? Party on dudes…Donny on June 22nd, 2005 6:18 pm
@Sim:
Is that 5th suspect with a tight aliby whose father recently committed suicide and who has had serious mental issues since?
jon on June 22nd, 2005 6:28 pm
simian you make up more bull another lover, it seems you are just trying to start more rumors. you have no FACTS to say so you make stuff up. TO all the others, she had no boyfriend back home. the other side of the pond, please anyone thats interested dont listen to this guy. He has no idea what he is talking about.
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:31 pm
Jon,
Read Simian better. he did not write what you said.
Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 6:50 pm
the silence before the storm…Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:59 pm
why cant you type in the word ca$in0
Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 6:59 pm
if you try to type it, it says your post is awating moderation…WHY
Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 7:01 pm
WHERE DID EVERYONE GO
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Snippy on June 23rd, 2005 2:42 pm
FOX NEWS ALERT…DAD SLOOT HAS JUST BEEN TAKEN INTO CUSTODY
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