Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[Kermit]

Well, I hope I didn't PO Kermit....that might give me warts.   AND, I sure as hell don't want to be cut off when Magnolia brings out the wine.          

No you didn't PO me at all. The goldish colored shirt is another photo taken where he is on the deck of the ship. The other with the red shirt and cap are taken inside the cabin with Dolf Richardson.

And I by no means am trying to convince or talk anyone into seeing what I think I see. I respect everyone's opinions.

ribbit.

[Kermit]

All I know is that Debbie told me she could never ban somebody because of what they did on another forum.

Guess that was then and me and this is now and her?

I hope Granny Toad can still post here if she wants to.  I don't think she plays forum war games.  And that is the only reason a couple of those sites exist in the first place.

Granny Toad runs circles around everyone at BFN.

She can croak that is for sure!
Love my granny toad.

[Kermit]

IF it is John Silvetti in the red shirt, why would Kyle lie about that?   

Because at that point in time Kyle had been exposed and Silvetti put the boy's job on the line for opening his big mouth.  jmo

I agree.

Janet

Following his revelation in his own words to the Natalee's Freebirds regarding his professional opinion as a ROV analysis that Natalee Holloway's remains were in all probability in that that trap and ... those remains were afforded to the enemy unchallenged by John Silvetti ... Kyle Kingman was soliciting funds on be half of TES  to underwrite the dives on targets that had yet to be investigated.

Janet

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THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008
Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html

Note the date on that. Kyle had been back in the U.S. soliciting the ROV images with Executives by the direction of Schaefer and Tim Trahan. When it didn't pan out; plan B I guess.

[Keepthefaith]

Well, I hope I didn't PO Kermit....that might give me warts.   AND, I sure as hell don't want to be cut off when Magnolia brings out the wine.          

No you didn't PO me at all. The goldish colored shirt is another photo taken where he is on the deck of the ship. The other with the red shirt and cap are taken inside the cabin with Dolf Richardson.

And I by no means am trying to convince or talk anyone into seeing what I think I see. I respect everyone's opinions.

ribbit.

As do i.I think everyone has wonderful opinions,as well as ideas in the journey we call "Justice for Natalee Holloway".I believe,the closer we get to the truth in regards to what transpired out in those waters & the ensuing aftermath,the harder we'll have to look at what GREEDY,EVIL people are truly capable of.To believe people can be so heinous and callous is very difficult,especially under the circumstances... We as Monkey's,Freebird's,Frog's,Wrecks,Billb's,Tm's,Maggies,Hotpings,Helenbacks,2nj's,Muffy's,San,
klaas's,Janet's,Bm's,Anna's,as well as any other Monkey i left out need to keep trudging ahead on the road for Justice.IT WILL BE SERVED!

KTF
 

[Helen Back]

For those who want to believe anything that that darklard pink telephone piece of poop and his crew have to say about me, about Klassend, about Anna or about any of the SM members or anything for that matter!
This is PROOF that our gov't is aware of what is taking place!!!!!!!


Domain Name house.gov (United States Government)
IP Address xxx.xxx.xxx.# (Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives) ISP Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives
Location Continent : North America

Anybody who believes him at this point needs their head examined.  He's lied so much, he doesn't know the truth about anything.

 

His actions, chat room conversations evidence, his stalking, and his lying posts are enough.

The integrity of the frog (and the faithful monkeys) is without question, as demonstrated by unwavering support of Natalee and Beth, even in the face of really tough questions and issues.  I am encouraged that a g-man or g-woman may be visiting here on behalf of Natalee and her familly.

 

[Keepthefaith]

For those who want to believe anything that that darklard pink telephone piece of poop and his crew have to say about me, about Klassend, about Anna or about any of the SM members or anything for that matter!
This is PROOF that our gov't is aware of what is taking place!!!!!!!


Domain Name house.gov (United States Government)
IP Address xxx.xxx.xxx.# (Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives) ISP Information Systems, U.S. House of Representatives
Location Continent : North America

Anybody who believes him at this point needs their head examined.  He's lied so much, he doesn't know the truth about anything.

 

His actions, chat room conversations evidence, his stalking, and his lying posts are enough.

The integrity of the frog (and the faithful monkeys) is without question, as demonstrated by unwavering support of Natalee and Beth, even in the face of really tough questions and issues.  I am encouraged that a g-man or g-woman may be visiting here on behalf of Natalee and her familly.

 

Can you say TICK_TOCK..

[wreck]

IF it is John Silvetti in the red shirt, why would Kyle lie about that?   

Just speculation on my part, but he was already upset about ruining his relationship with Silvetti
by connecting him to the coverup through his post at FB.
I think he was trying to protect Silvetti.

    How would lying protect Silvetti?   Why wouldn't he be involved in the happenings on that date or be in any of the footage?   

I thought my cub scouts sold peanut brittle or something like that....   

I Know, I was just trying to make a Cub Scout reference since that is all ldstlou ever talked about! Besides, I'm an Eagle Scout and I can poke fun if I want!! 

[Magnolia]

My choice of the word "protect" was not a good one.
Maybe I should have said "distance"

Helen Beck is corriect.  Kyle was PO'd that day.

Blueberry Wine for all!

[Helen Back]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

[texasmom]

My choice of the word "protect" was not a good one.
Maybe I should have said "distance"

Helen Beck is corriect.  Kyle was PO'd that day.

Blueberry Wine for all!

 

Save me some please, I'm still looking at pictures; don't want to cloud my vision!
Depending upon how long I continue looking at pictures, I may need a lot!
  

[Keepthefaith]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

Were there ongoing negotiations,in regards to a financial outcome,for Silvetti?

[Magnolia]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

I am not sure, but I think that the excuse given was they were waiting for Holland or the FBI to
supervise.  Of course, neither showed up, because they were invited, and Aruba snuck in.

[Magnolia]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

I am not sure, but I think that the excuse given was they were waiting for Holland or the FBI to
supervise.  Of course, neither showed up, because they were not invited, and Aruba snuck in.

Correction

[AZSunny]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

I am not sure, but I think that the excuse given was they were waiting for Holland or the FBI to
supervise.  Of course, neither showed up, because they were invited, and Aruba snuck in.

Wasn't there also an excuse of having "qualified" Aruban/dutch  police divers available?  I remember our questionig why they didn't have qualified divers on Aruba. 

[Tamikosmom]

I am beginning to get a hinky feely regarding the Mansurs involvement in the Natalee Holloway case from the getgo.

I am ready to concede that Jossy's upholding of Natalee's family ... in regards to the corrupt investigation that continues to deny Natalee Holloway justice ... was self-serving and politically motivated.  When I consider the Mansur connection ... I suspect the gardener was planted. 

However ... when the opportunity to further mass his fortunes ... Jossy and Eduardo  climbed on board the John Silvetti bandwagon of Persistence distractors.

Janet

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JOSSY MANSUR - THE POND WITNESS

Holloway Cover-up By Aruban Law Enforcement?
Friday, December 05, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: In the conversation that we had with Joran, he claims that the voice on the tape is his father. And obviously the prosecutor could prove that or disprove that. He could use subpoena power and do that. We can't get a first-generation tape from his father and do that.

Is it likely that the prosecutor will do that? Because, frankly, if it turns out that is his voice, his father under what he said is up to his eyeballs in something.

MANSUR: Of course. We know he was involved from the beginning. And after the new wave of things(ph), Mr. Herman, who saw Joran walking with his clothes all muddy. And then later he was saw him in the car with Paulus van der Sloot.

And we assume, and it has been certified by this man that the man who took Joran van der Sloot to his home that night after Natalee disappeared was his father. So he was involved from the beginning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,462349,00.html


Jossy's interview with Greta begins at 4:50.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeRJtMxqus


NANCY GRACE
New Search in Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Aired March 23, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

JOSSY MANSUR, OWNER, "DIARIO": Because the Aruban government has always based itself on the recommendations of the prosecution, and the only thing that the prosecution wants to do is close this case, Nancy.

GRACE: Why, Jossy? I don`t understand. Why is the Aruban government so hell-bent on closing this case without a resolution? This witness, to my understanding, has passed not one but two independent polygraphs. He even identifies the make and model of the vehicle, which goes back to Daddy, Paulus Van Der Sloot, a red Jeep. Why is the Aruban government ignoring this?

MANSUR: I don`t know why. But we will have to ask them to answer that question. But I know this man, the witness, very well. I`ve known him for a long time. And I believe in what he says, especially after whatever he said was confirmed by two polygraph tests which he passed brilliantly.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/23/ng.01.html


EDUARDO MANSUR - SPY ON BOARD?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  We're close to finding the Dirty Hand and a major leak plaguing the investigation. I believe they're linked. I'm assuming Caps isn't deep inside ALE, but do we know that he isn't? We need to figure out who Cap's source is and what he does. Can we confirm Destiny's source is a Dairio reporter? If so, do we know who this would be? Could it be Eduardo Mansur???

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4722.msg735806;topicseen#msg735806


THE GARDENER

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 153:  Another interesting piece of information came from Art Wood, the private investigator who found the gardener.  He had made repeated attempts to persuade the gardener to take a polygraph test.  When Art first interviewed him, he was convinced that the gardener was sincere and truthful about seeing the three suspects in the field behind the racquet club at 3:00 a.m. on May 30, 2005.  Art thought that it would help the gardener's credibility as a witness if he passed a polygraph.  However, Eric Mansur, the gardener's employer at the time, seemed to be dead set against him taking the test.  In fact, at one point, Eric allegedly threatened to get a restraining order to prevent Mr. Wood from further contact wi the gardener. 


SS - ACCORDING TO HER OWN WORDS

SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2008, 11:53:15 PM »

Jossy and John are friends.  John went to Aruba in March to attend a Mansur wedding.

Has anyone thought about the possibility that the Mansurs own the mineral rights on the ocean floor?  They own 80% of the island.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if they own the mineral rights under the ocean shelf.  Translated that means whoever owns the mineral rights makes money off of every barrel of oil that is brought to the surface and John Silvetti had just finished the geological survey to determine where to place the off shore wells.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546590#msg546590


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
« Reply #322 on: November 18, 2008, 12:22:13 AM »

Oil in that area of the Carribbean is touchy because of Chavez.  He owns everything.  The US needs allys with oil.  Is that why they have been easy on Aruba?  They didn't want the world to know that they planning off shore exploration and drilling.  Another factor was probably money.  Geological exploration is expensive.  Silvetti's company was just about bankrupt.  Wouldn't it be nice to have all of those mapping expenses written off because it was done for the purpose of searching for the body of a missing American woman.  Their survey was done for a nonprofit organization.  How magnanimous.  Crappy Island will be a boom town if they drill for oil and find it and the Mansurs will greatly increase their fortune.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.

[Tamikosmom]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

Were there ongoing negotiations,in regards to a financial outcome,for Silvetti?

 

BINGO!!

[Helen Back]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

I am not sure, but I think that the excuse given was they were waiting for Holland or the FBI to
supervise.  Of course, neither showed up, because they were invited, and Aruba snuck in.

Wasn't there also an excuse of having "qualified" Aruban/dutch  police divers available?  I remember our questionig why they didn't have qualified divers on Aruba. 

Like Eduardo?  They were a couple miles out......You guys are right, reasons were offered, but it's a long time from Christmas to Jan. 7.  Half the folks on the island dive, you've got those Dutch navy and marines,  the Aruban coastguard, the FBI can get anywhere fast if they're invited.  It's a short flight from Miami. 

[Tamikosmom]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

I am not sure, but I think that the excuse given was they were waiting for Holland or the FBI to
supervise.  Of course, neither showed up, because they were invited, and Aruba snuck in.

Wasn't there also an excuse of having "qualified" Aruban/dutch  police divers available?  I remember our questionig why they didn't have qualified divers on Aruba. 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.  I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities.

[Helen Back]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

I am not sure, but I think that the excuse given was they were waiting for Holland or the FBI to
supervise.  Of course, neither showed up, because they were invited, and Aruba snuck in.

Wasn't there also an excuse of having "qualified" Aruban/dutch  police divers available?  I remember our questionig why they didn't have qualified divers on Aruba. 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.  I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities.

It's an ISLAND.....and they don't have dive capabilities.  It's like saying they don't have any boats.


 

[Keepthefaith]

One thing I never understood was why it took so long to make the dive on the cage.  It was discovered at Christmas, then the ALE was there on Dec 30th, and still they didn't dive to recover until Jan. 7.   

I think I would have been in the water the day it was spotted.

 

I am not sure, but I think that the excuse given was they were waiting for Holland or the FBI to
supervise.  Of course, neither showed up, because they were invited, and Aruba snuck in.

Wasn't there also an excuse of having "qualified" Aruban/dutch  police divers available?  I remember our questionig why they didn't have qualified divers on Aruba. 

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: Jan 12-13 I saw the Dutch Coast Guard on site for 45 minutes on both days.  I told John about the Coast Guard on site and he didn't want to hear it. However, he must have thought about it and after chewing on it agreed because he spoke to Mos and Richardson about it later. I believe it was Richardson came back to him and said nothing other than they don't have dive capabilities.

Those Aruban's are so full of shit..I bet you half that island could have dove down on that cage with relative ease!Many of the kids take scuba lessons.Water is obviously second nature for someone who grows up on an island so small!