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Helen Back
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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I'have send the opposition (pvv,Wilders,Hero Brinkman ,Verdonk ,Groen links,VVD,Marijnissen etc> in Holland, this letter from The PG in aruba mr. drs. T.D. Croes to Rene v Nie .
And asked them to ask the minister Hirsch Ballin how this is possible !
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Dear lord of Nie,
I read on your website that among other things, as I Aruban PG in the crucial first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have ruined the case.
I gave you earlier pointed out that this is contrary to the truth and I've asked you to stop untruths to proclaim.
I will again say how things really works. Natalee is the night of 29 on May 30, 2005 disappeared. I was up to June 6, the first eight days after the disappearance, in the Netherlands. I do have those days during telephone contact with hovj Janssen and I've told her several times that those three boys, whose last with her and had let persist. Her answer was that those boys were first draught, because otherwise the police had "nothing to the hearing to go". When I returned in Aruba, I told her again that those who had boys persist. Her answer was that they were waiting on video from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would be included on the video. Never before has a hearing in Aruba on the video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me. I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.
But as you now do, when I was appointed as the culprit of that disastrous first ten days, while I have nothing to do with it. The first eight days, I was not even in Aruba. The hovj Janssen for me as ai PG and they took the decisions. I have never throughout the investigation had contact with Commissioner van der Straten, either personally or by telephone ..
I'm never hovj by Janssen was informed of the planned arrest of the two guards. I've had this in the Netherlands on television. I was never made clear why these two guards were arrested, because there was no indication that they were involved in the disappearance of Natalee. They are never to draught "to have something to the hearing to go".
I would be grateful if you have a correction on your website and places where you are in the future would refrain from proclaim untruths.
mr drs T.D. Croes
NAWOORD (RvN): I FIND IT VERY VERY INTERESTING WHAT THE PG WRITE. ABOVE ALL THE PASSAGE OF TWO BLACK MEN APPEAR TO BE BASED ON NOTHING .... OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OR 'FOUTJE'???? THIS IS SO THAT MAY CONTAIN THE TIME FOR (KARIN ETC.) TOGETHER WITH THE ROADS THIS CASE OF THE FIRST 10 DAYS HAS GETRAINEERD. IN COOPERATION WITH WHO, FOR WHOM AND WHY?
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brief aan Renee v Nie .
INGEZONDEN:
Geachte heer van Nie,
Ik lees weer op uw website dat onder meer ik als Arubaanse P-G in de cruciale eerste tien dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway de zaak verpest heb.
Ik heb u al eerder op gewezen dat dit in strijd is met de waarheid en ik heb u ook verzocht op te houden met onwaarheden te verkondigen.
Ik zal u nog een keer zeggen hoe de zaak werkelijk in elkaar steekt. Natalee is in de nacht van 29 op 30 mei 2005 verdwenen. Ik was tot en met 6 juni, de eerste acht dagen na de verdwijning, in Nederland. Ik heb wel gedurende die dagen telefonisch contact gehad met hovj Janssen en ik heb haar meerdere malen gezegd dat zij die drie jongens, die als laatste met haar waren, moest laten aanhouden. Haar antwoord was dat die jongens eerst getapt moesten worden, want anders had de politie "niets om het verhoor in te gaan". Toen ik in Aruba terugkeerde heb ik haar opnieuw gezegd dat zij die jongens moest aanhouden. Haar antwoord was toen dat ze aan het wachten waren op videomateriaal uit Nederland, want het verhoor van de jongens zou op de video opgenomen worden. Nooit eerder is in Aruba een verhoor op de video opgenomen. Waarom dat nu moest gebeuren, kon mij niet duidelijk gemaakt worden. Ik was er tegen, omdat de politie nooit eerder video-verhoren had opgenomen en geen ervaring hadden met deze wijze van verhoren.
Maar zoals u nu ook doet, werd ik toen aangewezen als de schuldige van die rampzalige eerste tien dagen, terwijl ik daar helemaal niets mee te maken heb. De eerste acht dagen was ik niet eens in Aruba. De hovj Janssen verving mij als wnd P-G en zij nam de beslissingen. Ik heb nooit gedurende het gehele onderzoek contact gehad met commissaris van der Straten, noch persoonlijk, noch telefonisch..
Ik ben nooit door hovj Janssen op de hoogte gesteld van de voorgenomen aanhouding van de twee bewakers. Ik heb dit in Nederland op de televisie gezien. Mij is ook nooit duidelijk gemaakt waarom deze twee bewakers aangehouden moesten worden, want er was geen enkele aanwijzing, dat zij betrokken waren bij de verdwijning van Natalee. Ze zijn ook nooit getapt om "iets te hebben om het verhoor in te gaan".
Ik zou het zeer op prijs stellen indien u een rectificatie op uw website zou plaatsen en indien u zich in de toekomst zou onthouden van het verkondigen van onwaarheden.
mr. drs. T.D. Croes
NAWOORD(RvN): IK VIND HET HEEL ERG INTERESSANT WAT DE P.G. SCHRIJFT. VOORAL DE PASSAGE OVER DE TWEE ZWARTE MANNEN DIE OP BASIS VAN NIETS....ZIJN OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OF 'FOUTJE'???? DIT ZOU DUS KUNNEN INHOUDEN DAT HET TOENMALIGE O.M. ( KARIN ETC. ) SAMEN MET VAN DER STRATEN DEZE ZAAK DE EERSTE 10 DAGEN GETRAINEERD HEEFT. IN SAMENWERKING MET WIE, VOOR WIE EN WAAROM?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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Quote from: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 09:26:45 AM
Feel free to add anything you might dig up on Siddalee (Julia Renfro's aka Glenda's mom) as well. Siddalee is as bad as her daughter, IMO.
roflmao!!!
They just love you too over there don't they Klaas!!!
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Quote from: SS on May 29, 2008, 07:57:48 AM
Quote from: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 01:13:14 AM
Hey guys!!
o/t
You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!
I'm praying and talking to the Universe. I hope everything works out for you.
Thanks so much!!
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Quote from: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 09:16:36 AM
Renee Gielen Says dutch on a blog:
Beth is so gradually a lonely, mentally ill, by her daughter obsessed woman who probably wants nothing more than a solution so she can futher with her life , even though that's behind bars( in JAil).
she really posted this? What a wench!!!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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were can i find "siddalee" klaasend ? ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?
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Quote from: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
were can i find "siddalee" klaasend ? ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?
Siddalee posts at RU along with her mother Glenda (Julia Renfro)
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Quote from: caesu on May 29, 2008, 07:50:10 AM
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U.S. Fourth Fleet in Venezuelan Waters
May 27th 2008, by Nikolas Kozloff - CounterPunch
With U.S. saber rattling towards Venezuela now at its height, the Pentagon has decided to reactivate the Navy’s fourth fleet in the Caribbean, Central and South America.
It’s a bold move, and has already stirred controversy within the wider region.
The fleet, which will start patrolling in July, will be based at the Mayport Naval Station in Jacksonville, Florida and will answer to the U.S. Southern Command in Miami. Rear Admiral Joseph Keran, current commander of the Naval Special Warfare Command, will oversee operations. About 11 vessels are currently under the Southern Command, a number that could increase in future. The Navy plans to assign a nuclear-powered air craft carrier, USS George Washington, to the force.
It’s difficult to see how the revival of the Fourth Fleet is warranted at the present time. The move has only served to further antagonize Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, already rattled by a U.S. navy plane’s violation of Venezuelan airspace over the weekend. In the long-term, the Pentagon’s saber rattling may encourage South American militaries to assert great independence from Washington, a trend which is already well under way as I discuss in my new book, Revolution! South America and the Rise of the New Left (Palgrave-Macmillan).
Reacting angrily to the Navy’s announcement, Chávez said: ``They don't scare us in the least.'' Chávez remarked that ``along with Brazil we're studying the creation of a South American Defense Council'' which would defend South America from foreign intervention. “If a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) exists,” the Venezuelan leader postulated, “why can’t a SATO exist, a South Atlantic Treaty Organization?"
Though the resuscitation of the Fourth Fleet has led many to believe that the U.S. is pursuing a course of gunboat diplomacy in the region, there was a time when the force arguably served a real need. What is the history of the Fourth Fleet in Venezuelan waters?
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3496
iarticle tellls a lot about the history of the Fourth Fleet in WWII.
protecting oil refineries on Aruba and Curaçao.
Chavez started rattling his swords first. Now lets see him put his money (cocaine) where his big mouth is. He is hated in the region.
Chavez is a coke sniffing dictator who is a danger to the region and the free world in that he is attempting to ensnare the whole world in a coke dream and destroy democracy in his weak and evil minded state. He is beyond rehab in that he is as rooted as the coke plants he allows to be served to other parts of the world. He has rattled his swords once too often. Now if he thinks for one minute he can get up enough people to support him, he better have something to back it up besides dope. jackb
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
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Quote from: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
were can i find "siddalee" klaasend ? ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?
Hey johan. Is there any way you can capture the actual posts that renee made and e-mail them to me? Someone would like to have those.
Thanks!
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Quote from: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 09:26:45 AM
Feel free to add anything you might dig up on Siddalee (Julia Renfro's aka Glenda's mom) as well. Siddalee is as bad as her daughter, IMO.
roflmao!!!
They just love you too over there don't they Klaas!!!
I think Renho learned a lot of her nastiness at the knee of the master.......her mother, Siddalee.
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Quote from: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
were can i find "siddalee" klaasend ? ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?
Siddalee posts at RU along with her
mother
Glenda (Julia Renfro)
LOL.........you mean Siddalee posts at RU along with her
daughter
, Glenda (Julia Renfro)
Julia Renfro is the answer to the science question, "What do you get when you cross a Ho-bag with a devil?"
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klaas can you
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Quote from: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 10:14:47 AM
aruba 2010
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Glad she sent you her "best" picture. She is a real winner in this one as compared to the other ones. LOL Jackb
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Quote from: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 12:03:35 PM
Quote from: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
were can i find "siddalee" klaasend ? ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?
Siddalee posts at RU along with her
mother
Glenda (Julia Renfro)
LOL.........you mean Siddalee posts at RU along with her
daughter
, Glenda (Julia Renfro)
Julia Renfro is the answer to the science question, "What do you get when you cross a Ho-bag with a devil?"
oops - yes, I had it backwards, LOL
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aruba 2010
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here another one on that blog
T is a friend of RG
via Google
T Says:
February 18th, 2008 at 17:50
Eef, you do not think that if there is anything of what you expose believes connections to explain what would that have long Joran would be arrested. What you do is uncritical oplepelen false rumors and what's not in a booth to call comes as louche trailertrash, "" misinformation campaign ", etc. I can use the same wording on the Twittys and Holloways (lies on arrival at aruba, used on the posters, on the medjet, on the ransom, Julia Renfro, on the Kalpoe brothers, Nadira Kalpoe, lies about Jan van der Straaten, Lorenzo on the Rhine and ga but…). Oh, Beth and Jug sat each evening at the casino, laughing all the time and were drunk all the time … and left with an outstanding departure involved a total of 360,000 dollars unpaid…
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Quote from: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
were can i find "siddalee" klaasend ? ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?
Siddalee posts at RU along with her
mother
Glenda (Julia Renfro)
LOL.........you mean Siddalee posts at RU along with her
daughter
, Glenda (Julia Renfro)
Julia Renfro is the answer to the science question, "What do you get when you cross a Ho-bag with a devil?"
Would it be bagged Devil's food HO HOs?
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Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison? You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone. Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim. I can't find
one word
about these important documentaries.
Can anyone point me to this important work? I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen.
Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it? It shouldn't be so difficult to find.
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Would it be bagged Devil's food HO HOs?
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Quote from: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 12:32:04 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison? You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone. Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim. I can't find
one word
about these important documentaries.
Can anyone point me to this important work? I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen.
Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it? It shouldn't be so difficult to find.
I haven't found it yet either
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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