Natalee Case Discussion #835 6/6/10 - 6/8/10

[Ono]

It is really hard to believe that one unmitigated lying loser date rapist serial killer could start a world war.

I think it is their 'reputation' they are fighting for, not Joran, himself.  Also, Anita, is probably raising all kinds of hell and is being a general pain in the donkey and they want her off their collective backs.

I bet it's a bloody nightmare just being within 25 feet of her.  Flaring nostrils & all.

[msmarple]

I am certain that Stephany is wearing earrings and a necklace in the video. I also think I saw a bracelet but I'm not certain about that.

klaas - Turkey - Joran just might have seen that movie, told himself,  "Self, stay away from there."

[Jonathan45]

Many CCTV cameras inside the hotel. How do they manage and store all those 24hours tapes and how long do they have to hold all those tapes ?
I read a remark about the timeline on those CCTV footage tapes in the hotel. It was incorrect.
Has one of the Monkeys already discovered and investigated this ?

[Ono]

The Telegraph has "Hang 'm' High" as the heading for one of the side articles (right side of page links). (Doesn't use that on the actual article, though.) Guess all those Westerns traveled well.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6875266/__Overtuigend_bewijs_tegen_Joran__.html

google translator -

Mon June 7, 2010, 5:30


Netherlands calls on Peru's ears
The Dutch embassy in ...

Joran wants Peruvian lawyer
Joran van der Sloot, who is ...

Hang him high!
In Peru's tabloid press has Joran van der Sloot ...



"All the evidence suggests that he has killed Stephany," said Cesar Guardia, head of Criminal Investigation Department of police. Thus, the murdered Stephany presumably tissue under her fingernails. Police from exclusive footage of the medical examination of Joran on his body left no visible traces. Also bloody shoe prints between bed and bathroom are examined.

One thing's for sure...not too many people would have bloody shoe prints in a size 14.

That's the truth-lol.

[msmarple]

Jonathan - Yes, but it's easily deciphered. Compare current accurate time to video stamp time, do the math. I've read that security cameras just about everywhere are out of synch

[cw618]

at the bottom of this article,are more links to vids and pics,news of joran

Blood on shirt 'vampire' Joran
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488680/2010/06/07/Bloed-op-shirt-vampier-Joran.dhtml

more links
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488673/2010/06/07/Gerechtelijk-onderzoek-naar-Joran-kan-jaren-duren.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488549/2010/06/07/Joran-naar-Castro-Castro-gevangenis.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488492/2010/06/06/Video-eerste-verhoor-Joran-online.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488472/2010/06/06/Nederlandse-ambassade-roept-Peru-op-het-matje.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488443/2010/06/06/Ambassade-geeft-Joran-lijst-advocaten.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488339/2010/06/06/Video-nekt-de-gringo.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488279/2010/06/05/Boze-Peruanen-belagen-Joran.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488129/2010/06/04/Broer-Stephany-Hard-bewijs-tegen-Joran.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/487995/2010/06/04/Moeder-Joran-geschokt-en-aangedaan.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/488200/2010/06/04/Flinke-politiemacht-wacht-Joran-op-in-Peru.dhtml

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/487978/2010/06/04/Joran-beschuldigd-van-afpersen-Beth-Holloway.dhtml

[Anna]

aruba is a garbage dump and i will continue  every chance i get  in any way possible explaning to people that its a killing ground.

 ** it sucks **     

gutless - everyone of them that was involved in the  dis-investigation and mis information campaign. not a single one of them actually did any good, just more cover ups time after time.


now, back to the slug joran for a moment, after watching the video of the two of them going
into the hotel room, i suspect that he maybe told her some lies and was extorting her
in the way that he was telling Beth that for some $$$$ he would reveal something
course, he might have told her anything  - he is a dead punk walking


Anna, i dont think natalee was put in a cage either,   


septic tank is where they will find her.... mooooooooooo

Good morning, Robots!  And a big hug to you for admitting you also don't think Natalee was in the fish cage.  It's been very lonely with that opinion around here for some time!

Septic tank or under the pool concrete.  Joey the Taco recently even said they bulldozer the pool among his other lies!  No, they didn't bulldoze anything.  But I, too, remember those vids taken with Red standing right there at the houose across the street of the septic system or cistern or some underground pipeways.  Paulus would not allow that so have to wonder why as well.

But this time Joran has really done it and there is more than enough evidence  for a conviction it seems.  Just sorry another family had to suffer but we have told this to Aruba and NL for five long years now.  It's their fault this girl is dead for their failure to collect sufficient evidence to prosecute and convict Joran for what he did to Natalee.  It's not that there was no evidence but that they refused to even look for or collect any.

[klaasend]

I need my ROFLMAO smilie

First this.....



Then this response, LOL

[ciskebab]

I don’t know if this was posted already.

by google translator

"Joran at Castro Castro prison '

LIMA - If Joran van der Sloot after one week from the police cell is released, he is at the Castro Castro prison in the Peruvian capital Lima on top, according to Peruvian media.  In Castro Castro are the serious criminals, found guilty of rape and murder.
 The newspaper Correo (Post) described a few years ago how some rapists of minors in Castro Castro come to their end at the hands of fellow inmates.  Psychologists explained how the newspaper explained:''There is a pecking order in the world of serious criminals.  Crimes against children and women who can not defend his cowardly.  That must be punished.''

 The Castro Castro prison, is up to the edge of town, in a slum, at a dusty dry mountain.  Edgar taxi driver warns us do not walk around.  ''If you are robbed, the police will look about twenty hours.''

 Two sentences
 Taking pictures is not the prison guards, only a little at the entrance where a couple  men and boys waiting to go inside.  Sunday is visiting day for men.  On Wednesday and Saturday, the women visit inside.

 Inside are four thousand prisoners.  Those who have money, hire a private cell, those who do not have to sleep on the floor.  Often have several men share a bed.

 Edgar taxi driver was convinced thatJoran van der Sloot has two sentences ahead:''The Prosecutor and the street, that is to say of his fellow prisoners.  He has''a Peruvian girl murdered.  They will make him pay for it.''

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1013/Buitenland/article/detail/488549/2010/06/07/Joran-naar-Castro-Castro-gevangenis.dhtml

[klaasend]

aruba is a garbage dump and i will continue  every chance i get  in any way possible explaning to people that its a killing ground.

 ** it sucks **     

gutless - everyone of them that was involved in the  dis-investigation and mis information campaign. not a single one of them actually did any good, just more cover ups time after time.


now, back to the slug joran for a moment, after watching the video of the two of them going
into the hotel room, i suspect that he maybe told her some lies and was extorting her
in the way that he was telling Beth that for some $$$$ he would reveal something
course, he might have told her anything  - he is a dead punk walking


Anna, i dont think natalee was put in a cage either,   


septic tank is where they will find her.... mooooooooooo

Good morning, Robots!  And a big hug to you for admitting you also don't think Natalee was in the fish cage.  It's been very lonely with that opinion around here for some time!

Septic tank or under the pool concrete.  Joey the Taco recently even said they bulldozer the pool among his other lies!  No, they didn't bulldoze anything.  But I, too, remember those vids taken with Red standing right there at the houose across the street of the septic system or cistern or some underground pipeways.  Paulus would not allow that so have to wonder why as well.

But this time Joran has really done it and there is more than enough evidence  for a conviction it seems.  Just sorry another family had to suffer but we have told this to Aruba and NL for five long years now.  It's their fault this girl is dead for their failure to collect sufficient evidence to prosecute and convict Joran for what he did to Natalee.  It's not that there was no evidence but that they refused to even look for or collect any.

The good news is TES is on the island ready to search 2 sites on the island right now!

[robots]

hi Anna, 

joe t. is a jerk and now he tries to put this "great wall of ignorance"  between him and joran


yea, ok, sure joe,  whatever

you are the same piece of crap now that you were then   


we done have any smily faces anymore ?   or laughing faces   or puking faces?

aruba is a garbage dump and i will continue  every chance i get  in any way possible explaning to people that its a killing ground.

 ** it sucks **     

gutless - everyone of them that was involved in the  dis-investigation and mis information campaign. not a single one of them actually did any good, just more cover ups time after time.


now, back to the slug joran for a moment, after watching the video of the two of them going
into the hotel room, i suspect that he maybe told her some lies and was extorting her
in the way that he was telling Beth that for some $$$$ he would reveal something
course, he might have told her anything  - he is a dead punk walking


Anna, i dont think natalee was put in a cage either,   


septic tank is where they will find her.... mooooooooooo

Good morning, Robots!  And a big hug to you for admitting you also don't think Natalee was in the fish cage.  It's been very lonely with that opinion around here for some time!

Septic tank or under the pool concrete.  Joey the Taco recently even said they bulldozer the pool among his other lies!  No, they didn't bulldoze anything.  But I, too, remember those vids taken with Red standing right there at the houose across the street of the septic system or cistern or some underground pipeways.  Paulus would not allow that so have to wonder why as well.

But this time Joran has really done it and there is more than enough evidence  for a conviction it seems.  Just sorry another family had to suffer but we have told this to Aruba and NL for five long years now.  It's their fault this girl is dead for their failure to collect sufficient evidence to prosecute and convict Joran for what he did to Natalee.  It's not that there was no evidence but that they refused to even look for or collect any.

[Ono]

Beth says........... "His life is a living Hell. It's about to begin."  With these new developments, this is worth watching again. If there is an ad at the bottom, just close the ad out:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/zogNuBp9PDk&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/zogNuBp9PDk&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

Thanks for posting ... everyone, everywhere in the world should see this.

[klaasend]

Many CCTV cameras inside the hotel. How do they manage and store all those 24hours tapes and how long do they have to hold all those tapes ?
I read a remark about the timeline on those CCTV footage tapes in the hotel. It was incorrect.
Has one of the Monkeys already discovered and investigated this ?

The clock in the "lobby" of the TAC hotel/hostel is set 11 minutes earlier than the clock in the hallway near the room.  I don't see anything really strange about it.  It looks like those two clocks are a different format as well.  So one clock maybe newer than the other.

Edited to add:  in the old days it was actual tape.  Now everything is computerized.  It used to be a hassle saving "all those tapes", now it's just a file file on your computer. 

[can]

Good morning Nut,
I think it's possible that Stefany purchased a new laptop that her Dad gave her money for, and left it in her car.  Joran drove the car when he left the hotel and took what he wanted from it.  imo

While it would be more evidence, I wish and hope they have Joran's laptop.

Morning, Can and belatedly to all.

Sure sounds like Grand Theft--Auto to me as well.  I mean since they need robbery to apply the life sentence.

Hi Anna.  Yes, they've got their extenuating circumstances to lock him up for life.  25-35 years is too good for Joran (not that I believe he'd survive that in their prison system)

I so want them to have his laptop.  It may lead to Natalee.

a one year sentence is a death sentence for Joran. He's not going to last a year in that prison. He's soft - like a marshmellow. I take great joy in knowing that.

-jmo-

Hi Rob. 
I agree.  It makes me so angry that he is using the same tactics as he did in Aruba even though it won't work this time.  The overwhelming evidence speaks for itself. 

[Jo-An]

Netherlands didn't ask Peru for clarification

LIMA - The Dutch Embassy in Peru has not the Peruvian authorities requested clarification on the treatment of Joran van der Sloot.
 
That says the Foreign Ministry Monday. "We do not meddle in the judicial process of another country," said a ministry spokesman Monday.
U.S. network CNN reported Sunday that the Dutch Embassy in Peru was unhappy with how the country dealt with Van der Sloot. This would according to an embassy spokesman for the Peruvian police have reported to the authorities, following the presentation of Dutch suspect in the press.
Van der Sloot was to run up and down three times while the extensive media photographs and video footage of him could make. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs could not comment Sunday on the CNN news.
The Dutchman suspected of the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6880816/___Peru_niet_om_opheldering_gevraagd___.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

[ciskebab]

BuZa does not interfere with Joran

The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not asked for clarification on the treatment of Joran van der Sloot.  That leaves the ministry of ANP know.

 A spokesman said: "We do not meddle in the judicial process of another country."  The Dutch Embassy in Lima, this weekend according to CNN, was complaining about the fact that Joran was paraded around in front of the media to take pictures.
 
http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2010/06/buza_bemoeit_zich_niet_met_jor.html

[Rob]

I need my ROFLMAO smilie

First this.....



Then this response, LOL

actually, Rat hits the nail on the head - Aruba is embarrassed about NOTHING. N O T H I N G . . . .

They have no humility, no shame, and for once that assclown revealed the thinking of of the entire population.

The rest of the world just shakes their head, but Aruba - like drunk uncle Pete - just keeps on pissing as the crowd forms and gasps.

[AZSunny]

Netherlands didn't ask Peru for clarification

LIMA - The Dutch Embassy in Peru has not the Peruvian authorities requested clarification on the treatment of Joran van der Sloot.
 
That says the Foreign Ministry Monday. "We do not meddle in the judicial process of another country," said a ministry spokesman Monday.
U.S. network CNN reported Sunday that the Dutch Embassy in Peru was unhappy with how the country dealt with Van der Sloot. This would according to an embassy spokesman for the Peruvian police have reported to the authorities, following the presentation of Dutch suspect in the press.
Van der Sloot was to run up and down three times while the extensive media photographs and video footage of him could make. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs could not comment Sunday on the CNN news.
The Dutchman suspected of the murder of 21-year-old Peruvian Stephany Flores.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/6880816/___Peru_niet_om_opheldering_gevraagd___.html?sn=binnenland,buitenland

I am confident that having a few pictures taken is going to be the least of Joran's worries!  I do hope the Dutch Embassy will butt out and let Peruvian police handle this in their fashion. 

Good Morning Monkeys!

[SunnyinTX]

Beth says........... "His life is a living Hell. It's about to begin."  With these new developments, this is worth watching again. If there is an ad at the bottom, just close the ad out:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/zogNuBp9PDk&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/zogNuBp9PDk&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>

This was extremely painful to watch again....extremely

[klaasend]

BuZa does not interfere with Joran

The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not asked for clarification on the treatment of Joran van der Sloot.  That leaves the ministry of ANP know.

 A spokesman said: "We do not meddle in the judicial process of another country."  The Dutch Embassy in Lima, this weekend according to CNN, was complaining about the fact that Joran was paraded around in front of the media to take pictures.
 
http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2010/06/buza_bemoeit_zich_niet_met_jor.html

Good!