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« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2007, 12:07:24 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2007, 12:09:01 PM »

What do you guys think about this?? This was on 6-10-05 on a Aruban Racing blog. Hard to understand until we get a full translation..The rest I put on a post here at SM.

corda the incidente where cu one father y his child of
one bekende cardealership full drogged off owing to
enter party cu car cu all make madmax..... wel, some
trahadornan of c&c owing to look at the child leave
hand teni cu the chick here. kemen the two guynan cu
owing to stay deteni is smoke
screen???-
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« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2007, 12:11:33 PM »

I would like to ask Dave about BFN post regarding the boycott.

Has he had a change in his thinking regarding the boycott?

Has there been any information, even if it isn't something he might share, that caused this change?( if there has indeed been one)
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« Reply #83 on: July 03, 2007, 12:14:18 PM »

Most of this is from  Racejunkies.com A Aruban Racing blog in early june/2005

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

PietjeZz | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:36 PM
yeah ive heard since a week and a half ago that some "
Lorenzo" was involved! A friend told me that a friend
of his had seen Natalee with this guy in particular
hand in hand!
So to my knowledge,it is Lorenzo another(wealthy)
Dutch guy living on the island for many years!
This guy has an reputation of "insanity" a wild life
style and being spoiled!
The other guy no idea who he is!
Rmemember, these are recent arrest, by ending of the
day or tommorow i should know more!

http://www.racejunkies.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11095&highlight=lorenzo#post11095

Originally Posted by GinoX 06-09-2005, 02:23 PM
for wijk af one bit, you is
corda the incidente where cu one father y his child of
one bekende cardealership full drogged off owing to
enter party cu car cu all make madmax..... wel, some
trahadornan of c&c owing to look at the child leave
hand teni cu the chick here. kemen the two guynan cu
owing to stay deteni is smoke
screen???--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
06-10-2005, 02:31 PM Pietjezz
come across ginox this my not owing to get?! my know
is of lorenzo y his now deceased dad paul of vw do you
kiermen! i if is straight to the point! do you kiermen
the chick mericano owing to being see is leave for of
c&c cu lorenzo hand teni? of where esey owing to leave
awo? the storia do not cu ela leave y lever car cu one
macamba y two suriname? but awo my not know if is
paranoid i am birando or what, but cuminsamento of
week my bisinja owing to tell my they owing to detene
lorenzo cu the have till maken cu the caso! i have
stay in shock,anto more still hour they owing to tell
one dutch is envolvi owing to give my more right of
think cu is the self! paar of day after they owing to
release the name of the guy macamba of is joran, luga
but think ahn not,no is lorenzo(locual but think
initiativamente) but what have my puzzled is if do you
look at daily paper of some day behind apparently they
owing to go buska/arresta joran at his cas! but the
cas is show much at the cas of lorenzo eytras at
yara/savaneta! dus i have cu ask about what is
pasando??? paranoid i am or con? what connection
lorenzo y joran can have cu another in the caso here!
y if is so self,dikon lorenzo his name do not wordo
menciona in media?! then what owing to place my post
this is the post of ginox! gino could you aclarea
thing do you kiermen or one another person please!
:confused: :confused: come across



but enberdad my tawa hear lorenzo dus the yui of the
donjo paul(cu owing to hang his curpa anja pasa) tawa
talk of enough time of wanted owing to come cu one vw
beast animal,plaka have,e cu his father tawa part
paper of hundred guilder for crazy hour cu they invita
we go trip cu they 08-20-2003, 01:21 PM Pietjezz

in another twist but read somewhere on one forum they
owing to detene lorenzo y one another guy of inictial
s.g.c anybody knows more about this?! :yeaatht: gt-r34
06-17-2005 02:30 pm



but do you know what is eat at me is his friends! in
tonti my meme! ever they not owing to hear of samen
uit, samen thuis??! i is angry end cu after of
carnaval my friends owing to doss my! just imagine con
degra the ko what is!! full one night owing to happen
y his siguente day mane nothing not owing to happen
you owing to lever plane y viaha go mane nothing not
owing to happen?? what about of owing to go at police
if you is know is you ultimo day here y you have cu
viaha the day ey! damn,ami not will lever plane if my
viaha cu my bro's go brazil,anto one not owing to show
up at airport

do you know pietje, hearsay (redu). i am djies tell
thing one conosi dimi owing to look at happen in his
district. but thing is berdad is cu first the does not
owing to coopera cu police. for cual motibo police
owing to go the instant there at his mother his cas
enter for arest'e, do you know yet esun cas at caminda
big? then the or'ei jonge knulleke owing to come cacho
cacho at coremento come coopera. <- my not owing to
tell cu ela pour abow, but simplemente coopera. y if,
according the conosi owing to bisami is cu the ultimo
oranan in c&c the knul tbt as hand cu the chick _sali_
fei the luga. but do not duidelijk if they owing to
enter car together or let..... come across

wel they owing to aresta two guynan more! one of they
my conoce for cara,sa look at the much trip! the jama
bulo aruba ever owing to hanja tanto media attencion
so here pal! all caminda on internet y tv!
cnn,foxnews,nbs msnbc,abc,cbs lagi bother ohm! the cos
what is smell stinki end! ja is one week! the chick
what owing to lever car concientemente cu 3 guy after
of party y beat curpa in nightclub! what are you
believe they owing to go haci?? chinga! i is believe
in the proces of the acto the chick will owing to
realisa con earnest the cuenta is then the will owing
to wing behind bek! has! go try tell 3 guy super kesha
cu miho we stop! i is believe one night of happen
sweet owing to become rape! door in they burachiheid
or height they will owing to beat the chick y/of kill!
y throw at sea! of tanto voluntario y special forces
cu have they not can hanje jun caminda throw or
scondi? wel owing to be kept in one option cu sigun my
they not owing to haci still,anto is of dive in awanan
hundu y bruto! i is believe they owing to kill the
chick what y mara algo super pisa at his curpa cu is
haci cu ela sinka go fondo! dimes the is stay
onzichtbaar! i am 99% assure if they throw one buskeda
under sea they will hanja his curpa or door in piece
pida,ja cu is one week owing to happen y also cu fish
or shark owing to come of dje!06-05-2005, 08:56 PM
Pietjezz

zero are you much serca if, the macamba is child of
one fiscal/juez, only go figure it out..... (ban wait
for do not the good friend of sedney) now there i am
bata at fefreskeria near of the cort-house one of the
rumanan cu have one eye stanjo(hodido) kiermen cu the
chick owing to come cumpra three package of vlui, <i
wana get high> i is assure cu the chick what is
upstairs one trip ahinda.... one another cos is cu
door cu the trip was so good cu much chingamento then
hour the trip y the height owing to descend then the
chik owing to spanta then cuminsa tell cu they will
owing to rape then of einan cos will can owing to go
for of hand... gt-r34 06-03-2005 09:24 pm come across

6-3-2005
> MenaceIIsociety
> some additional info... private jet to aruba... bank
> account into the
> high 7
> figures... spoiled little bitch... supposebly
straight
> owing to
> student, not
> sniffing, not snorting, not smoking, not
> whoring.....<<<<<<----------yeah
> right!!! anyway, contal, the family here have
friends
> in very high
> places..
> grumps...e muher bitch ey is nancy grace....conjo of
> his mother self
> self....mas bitch cu one conjo....jui of hooker if
you
> will.... also cu
> do
> not enough one of the type they here cu tawata in
car
> cune is jui of
> one
> good amigo of van der straten.....go figure!!!
>
> Pero enberdad mi tawa tende lorenzo dus e yui di e
> donjo paul(cu a
> horka su
> curpa anja pasa) tawa papia di basta tempo di kier a
> bin cu un vw
> bestia
> bestia,plaka tin,e cu su tata tawa parti papel di
cien
> florin pa loko
> ora cu
> nan invita nos bai trip cu nan
>

6-11-2005 Morning

mensen,this just in! apparently one of the 3 will
owing to confesa of
owing
to "mata" or "algo bad owing to pasa" cu natalee
holloway! nothing do
not
100% confirma! apparently they will lead police at the
scene or the
crime
awe(madruga at aruba) according one bro police dimi is
cu posiblemente
the
guy owing to confess cu the chick owing to overdose y
they owing to
panic y
they owing to bury curpa! but arubian authorities not
owing to release
the
news officially still! check www.foxnews.com
www.msnbc.com
www.cbsnews.com
www.cnn.com y restonan cu you can imagine :sleepin:
jetpilot 06-11-2005

05:41 am my also owing to hear today morning at cnn cu
was have one
confeshon cu they owing to kill the child muher. now
the aftermath is
come!
riven 06-11-2005 08:20 am ohhh f*** mean.. awel if...
is con conjo are
you
go think of go bury the child awo come across?!?!?!
tonti my self..
take
away conjo hospital not... do you self is bother do
you self so of go
bury
cos make as nothing not owing to happen... jetpilot
06-11-2005 08:25 am
am
and smelling another extraditing case? arubaspeed
06-11-2005 11:52 am
if one
of they owing to mate, extradite the they dune the
death sentence y get
the
shit over with. one thing if, the guynan here is go
down in history ace
the
dumbest mf around. throw tree, child overdose die y
bury curpa,
machonan,
much pendew you is. racejunkie 06-11-2005 12:22 pm
quote: originally
posted
by arubaspeed if one of they owing to mate, extradite
the they dune the

death sentence y get the shit over with. one thing if,
the guynan here
is go
down in history ace the dumbest mf around. throw tree,
child overdose
die y
bury curpa, machonan, much pendew you is. tottaly
agree arubaspeed....
dumbest mf ever......he's 17 can't expect much
else.... :lame:
lightning
john 06-11-2005 01:48 pm i owing to hear cu they owing
to strike the
child
muhe his head on one stone, but do you self know have
complete of
rumores is
bayendo rond johnathan juice 06-11-2005 02:27 pm
segunmi not have niun
motibo for extradite...e cos owing to happen here at
aruba...merka can
wel
of bark this and that but they not have niun
jurisdiction here they...

http://www.racejunkies.com/forums/printthread.php?s=30a0237eadde1b60b92946ef2443e715&t=1665&pp=40&page=2
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« Reply #84 on: July 03, 2007, 12:26:43 PM »

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I would like to ask Dave about BFN post regarding the boycott.

Has he had a change in his thinking regarding the boycott?

Has there been any information, even if it isn't something he might share, that caused this change?( if there has indeed been one)


I would like to know that too,BB.Robin is the one who posted they were not supporting the boycott anymore,but no word from Dave.It was only a little while back in one of the chats at BFN Dave was supporting the boycott.They should at least explain this change in plans,IMO.
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« Reply #85 on: July 03, 2007, 12:29:58 PM »

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What do you guys think about this?? This was on 6-10-05 on a Aruban Racing blog. Hard to understand until we get a full translation..The rest I put on a post here at SM.

corda the incidente where cu one father y his child of
one bekende cardealership full drogged off owing to
enter party cu car cu all make madmax..... wel, some
trahadornan of c&c owing to look at the child leave
hand teni cu the chick here. kemen the two guynan cu
owing to stay deteni is smoke
screen???-


My loose interpretation is that it is seeming to say someone, owner of a car called madmax (therefore likely max arenz= maxito) was owed money and was ripped off by one father (maybe PVDS?) and his child of a cardealership (LVR?). Something was witnessed regarding this(?) by a worker at C+C's(trahadornan).
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« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2007, 12:34:16 PM »

OMG I didn't know there was that much more it has my head spinning.
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« Reply #87 on: July 03, 2007, 12:34:35 PM »

Quote from: "bleachedblack"
Quote from: "*******"
What do you guys think about this?? This was on 6-10-05 on a Aruban Racing blog. Hard to understand until we get a full translation..The rest I put on a post here at SM.

corda the incidente where cu one father y his child of
one bekende cardealership full drogged off owing to
enter party cu car cu all make madmax..... wel, some
trahadornan of c&c owing to look at the child leave
hand teni cu the chick here. kemen the two guynan cu
owing to stay deteni is smoke
screen???-


My loose interpretation is that it is seeming to say someone, owner of a car called madmax (therefore likely max arenz= maxito) was owed money and was ripped off by one father (maybe PVDS?) and his child of a cardealership (LVR?). Something was witnessed regarding this(?) by a worker at C+C's(trahadornan).



Thats interesting...The next paragraph is also interesting as well..These guys are all about Lorenzo's age and Pitjezz use to know his father and went to school with Lorenzo. He said at RWV that lorenzo was involved a week after his post at racejunkies.
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« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2007, 12:38:09 PM »

Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I would like to ask Dave about BFN post regarding the boycott.

Has he had a change in his thinking regarding the boycott?

Has there been any information, even if it isn't something he might share, that caused this change?( if there has indeed been one)


I would like to know that too,BB.Robin is the one who posted they were not supporting the boycott anymore,but no word from Dave.It was only a little while back in one of the chats at BFN Dave was supporting the boycott.They should at least explain this change in plans,IMO.


Dave Holloway
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November 17, 2005


HOLLOWAY: ... the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.


Dave Holloway
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November 9, 2005


I do not have a formal response available at this time, but I will support the decisions of elected officials and therefore support what the Alabama government has decided to do,” Holloway said in a telephone interview Tuesday evening. “The Aruban people elected their officials to make decisions in the best interests of their people, and we have done the same. The Alabama governor made a decision on Natalee’s behalf, so I will support that position.
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« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2007, 12:53:57 PM »

Bleached black:

Can you translate the third paragraph??06-10-2005, 02:31 PM Pietjezz
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« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2007, 12:59:58 PM »

Quote from: "greeneyedlady"
Quote from: "bleachedblack"
I would like to ask Dave about BFN post regarding the boycott.

Has he had a change in his thinking regarding the boycott?

Has there been any information, even if it isn't something he might share, that caused this change?( if there has indeed been one)


I would like to know that too,BB.Robin is the one who posted they were not supporting the boycott anymore,but no word from Dave.It was only a little while back in one of the chats at BFN Dave was supporting the boycott.They should at least explain this change in plans,IMO.


If the Aruban people had ... just once ... collectively protested the corrupt investigation that was denying Natalee Holloway justice ... just once ... made an effort to pressure their elective official to do right ... then I could have somewhat comprehended Robin's reasoning for the change of position regarding the boycott.  Not agreed but ... understood.

The people of Aruba collectively protest environmental concerns ... the choller issue ... the drug problem ... an anguished mother who dared to  called those who obstructed the investigation into her daughter's disappearance criminals but ... the Aruban people did not once speak out on behalf of Natalee family in regards to a corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing.

Janet


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<snipped>

In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

<snipped>

Dave and Robin


Senator French
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November 8, 2005


The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance “has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies.  It’s my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation” French said.
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« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2007, 01:04:52 PM »

05:41 am my also owing to hear today morning at cnn cu
was have one
confeshon cu they owing to kill the child muher. now
the aftermath is
come!
riven 06-11-2005 08:20 am ohhh f*** mean.. awel if...
is con conjo are
you
go think of go bury the child awo come across?!?!?!
tonti my self..
take
away conjo hospital not... do you self is bother do
you self so of go
bury
cos make as nothing not owing to happen... jetpilot
06-11-2005 08:25 am
am
and smelling another extraditing case? arubaspeed
06-11-2005 11:52 am
if one
of they owing to mate, extradite the they dune the
death sentence y get
the
shit over with. one thing if, the guynan here is go
down in history ace
the
dumbest mf around. throw tree, child overdose die y
bury curpa,
machonan,
much pendew you is. racejunkie 06-11-2005 12:22 pm
quote: originally
posted
by arubaspeed if one of they owing to mate, extradite
the they dune the

This is like a slang Pap/ english mix which is really wierd.  They seem to be discussing Joran now as the 17 year old who they will extradite and get  the

death sentence y get
the
shit over with. one thing if, the guynan here is go
down in history ace
the
dumbest mf around.


They just seem to be talking about info from cnn about a confession. Then, if the child overdosed why wouldn't you bring her to the hospital? Why would someone think to go and bury them themself?
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« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2007, 01:08:12 PM »

Bleachblack:

Yeh I read that thx..Theres more at the forum that I didnt bring over..They crucify Joran on that post..lol.. I am most curious about the first few paragraphs....

06-10-2005, 02:31 PM Pietjezz
come across ginox this my not owing to get?! my know
is of lorenzo y his now deceased dad paul of vw do you
kiermen! i if is straight to the point! do you kiermen
the chick mericano owing to being see is leave for of
c&c cu lorenzo hand teni? of where esey owing to leave
awo? the storia do not cu ela leave y lever car cu one
macamba y two suriname? but awo my not know if is
paranoid i am birando or what, but cuminsamento of
week my bisinja owing to tell my they owing to detene
lorenzo cu the have till maken cu the caso! i have
stay in shock,anto more still hour they owing to tell
one dutch is envolvi owing to give my more right of
think cu is the self! paar of day after they owing to
release the name of the guy macamba of is joran, luga
but think ahn not,no is lorenzo(locual but think
initiativamente) but what have my puzzled is if do you
look at daily paper of some day behind apparently they
owing to go buska/arresta joran at his cas! but the
cas is show much at the cas of lorenzo eytras at
yara/savaneta! dus i have cu ask about what is
pasando??? paranoid i am or con? what connection
lorenzo y joran can have cu another in the caso here!
y if is so self,dikon lorenzo his name do not wordo
menciona in media?! then what owing to place my post
this is the post of ginox! gino could you aclarea
thing do you kiermen or one another person please!
:confused: :confused: come across



but enberdad my tawa hear lorenzo dus the yui of the
donjo paul(cu owing to hang his curpa anja pasa) tawa
talk of enough time of wanted owing to come cu one vw
beast animal,plaka have,e cu his father tawa part
paper of hundred guilder for crazy hour cu they invita
we go trip cu they 08-20-2003, 01:21 PM Pietjezz
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« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2007, 01:12:00 PM »

Speaking of  MIP6 or whatever that goons name is

This was a comment Robin made about him the other day post on BFN

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MIP6 is here trying to help us!  Please give him a break out of respect for Natalee.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7184.15
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« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2007, 01:14:54 PM »

I have always thought that, on that small of an island, there HAVE to be rumors circulating and people who know what happened. It's amazing to me that the officials in charge have been able to keep the islanders quiet all this time--you'd think SOMETHING would leak out at some point.

These posts make me wish I spoke papi.
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« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2007, 01:18:42 PM »

I have never seen Atticus post ANYTHING that would be considered
disrespect to Natalee.

Out of respect for Natalee?
What about MIP's vile posts about numerous members of the family?
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« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2007, 01:20:56 PM »

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Speaking of  MIP6 or whatever that goons name is

This was a comment Robin made about him the other day post on BFN

 (quote from Robin)
MIP6 is here trying to help us!  Please give him a break out of respect for Natalee.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7184.15


I saw that too. Many things make me think of old TV..."Get Smart", double agents...I spy, egads. I know there is something weird going on and it is driving me NUTS trying to figure it out! ACKKKKK!!! scratch
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« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2007, 01:21:18 PM »

Thanks,Janet.You are so good with those transcripts. Cool
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« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2007, 01:23:10 PM »

Quote from: "Sue"
Speaking of  MIP6 or whatever that goons name is

This was a comment Robin made about him the other day post on BFN

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MIP6 is here trying to help us!  Please give him a break out of respect for Natalee.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7184.15


I know I once had a conversation with Robin, and the person she contacted and verified the information with was MIP6. The above comment from Robin does clearly state her feelings about him, and I know she feels the same about Reality. I know Reality also has high regard for Robin and Dave  which I can not say from a personal perspective about MIP6. I have never had a private conversation with Purcell.
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« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2007, 01:24:52 PM »

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Quote from: "Sue"
Speaking of  MIP6 or whatever that goons name is

This was a comment Robin made about him the other day post on BFN

 (quote from Robin)
MIP6 is here trying to help us!  Please give him a break out of respect for Natalee.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7184.15


I saw that too. Many things make me think of old TV..."Get Smart", double agents...I spy, egads. I know there is something weird going on and it is driving me NUTS trying to figure it out! ACKKKKK!!! scratch


Me too! Laughing
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