Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #36 11/21/10 - 12/05/10

[no rose colored glasses]

Interesting question, maybe the grounds keeper is on a tight schedule through the week, and they have to do their work even if there is a scheduled fair going on?

(I snipped so as not to stack quotes. I hope it works out ok.)

I've never seen groundskeepers doing grounds maintenance (mowing lawns etc...) during school hours at any elementary, Jr. High or Highschool for that matter.
I have seen it being done during class hours at college campuses only. (Football fields being mowed etc...)
[/quote]You sure could be right, I've never paid attention to things like that when my kids were in school.

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

I suppose that every school district is different in how they conduct business but it seems odd to me that grounds maintenance would be done during school hours. (Children's allergies, hay fever and not to forget mention liability in case of an accident type of potential situations come to mind.)
I would think that weekends would be the preference as to "when" it was done.
I suppose too that those hours might conflict with Dave's schedual though considering he does still do jams. (I'm guessing weekends would be the preference for musical performances, practices etc...)

This is most likely a silly question but I wonder if the grass clippings are left on the turf or are they collected in a grass catcher type of thing or?

[Gypsy DD]

I would really like to know what was in those emails that Desiree and Kaine recently saw

They were enough to convince both of them that TH had an extreme hatred for Kyron.

LE has reassured the public and the parents at K's school that this is not a random event, nor that they should fear anymore so then normal for their child's safety.

That leads me to believe, along with Terri's refusal to speak because she might incriminate her  self,  that Terri was very much involved in K's disappearance.

[Green Eyes]

I suppose that every school district is different in how they conduct business but it seems odd to me that grounds maintenance would be done during school hours. (Children's allergies, hay fever and not to forget mention liability in case of an accident type of potential situations come to mind.)
I would think that weekends would be the preference as to "when" it was done.
I suppose too that those hours might conflict with Dave's schedule though considering he does still do jams. (I'm guessing weekends would be the preference for musical performances, practices etc...)

This is most likely a silly question but I wonder if the grass clippings are left on the turf or are they collected in a grass catcher type of thing or?

PML  I am sure each school district has their own maintenance program rules. I can say two to my resent knowledge have done theirs during school hours. There was no other way for them to do it and keep up the many schools in each district.  They were on tight schedules and we had to keep the head maintenance person up to date with events at the school. Since  Kyrons school was having a science fair I don't find it odd that he was there mowing. Now if they were having a outside event I would question it. As far as the clippings I would think it would depend on what they were mowing. Such as football fields would be picked up but just play grounds would be left.  I hope this helps. I am sure each district is different.

[islandmonkey]

From IM's post   
On another topic, wrt Staton telling the press that we'd be shocked and they knew things they wished they didn't know I have been wondering a long time what would shock us anymore and I am now considering the possibility that maybe Kyron was a victim of child pornography and explotation.    This has always bothered me, and that is what I was thinking about child pornography also  Don't know what else there would be that would be so shocking.

Especially considering Portland has the nickname Pornland, and the sex trafficking there is appaling, so I can sssee how this could be something that might fit Kyron's case and at the same time allow his parents to think he could be alive..... IIRC wasn't there a huge bust just a while ago that arrested dozens and freed child prostitutes? The entire idea that it takes place in our country is something that shocked me, and when I posted about Dennis w/Klasskids here in P-Cola talking about how this region from Mobile, AL to Jacksonville, FL is a HUGE sex trafficking area due to the proximity of I-10 made me sick, and of course I had to call my daughter again since she doesn't live here on the Island but it Pensacola near school and warn her to be vigilant and extremely careful with "new " friends, and to never let a drink leave her hand since that is how the girl in 2008 was drugged, rufies in a glass of water, and it's only by divine intervention she is still alive. I hate having to be a nervous mom, but it is still my job to warn her of things she doesn't think about since they think they are invincable

[islandmonkey]

Sorry for all of the quote stacks above, not sure why I didn't realize it was that bad!

I did the same thing mochichi several times, then I remembered the marshellow man reference from another gigantic quotestack and stopped, but I am guilty not realizing it until about my 7th reply
 

You still remember that Islandmonkey?    

  I do, the stay puff marshmellow reference from ghostbusters that did fit that gigantic quote stack.......it's amazing how much I recall from so long ago, and sometimes I appreciate recalling it for levity purposes when we are always posting about such horrific cases. That one in particular is burnt in my memory LOL

[no rose colored glasses]

From IM's post   
On another topic, wrt Staton telling the press that we'd be shocked and they knew things they wished they didn't know I have been wondering a long time what would shock us anymore and I am now considering the possibility that maybe Kyron was a victim of child pornography and explotation.    This has always bothered me, and that is what I was thinking about child pornography also  Don't know what else there would be that would be so shocking.

Especially considering Portland has the nickname Pornland, and the sex trafficking there is appaling, so I can sssee how this could be something that might fit Kyron's case and at the same time allow his parents to think he could be alive..... IIRC wasn't there a huge bust just a while ago that arrested dozens and freed child prostitutes? The entire idea that it takes place in our country is something that shocked me, and when I posted about Dennis w/Klasskids here in P-Cola talking about how this region from Mobile, AL to Jacksonville, FL is a HUGE sex trafficking area due to the proximity of I-10 made me sick, and of course I had to call my daughter again since she doesn't live here on the Island but it Pensacola near school and warn her to be vigilant and extremely careful with "new " friends, and to never let a drink leave her hand since that is how the girl in 2008 was drugged, rufies in a glass of water, and it's only by divine intervention she is still alive. I hate having to be a nervous mom, but it is still my job to warn her of things she doesn't think about since they think they are invincable

I know about the large bust, but didn't know the cities nickname was Pornland  I have read a bit on the child prostitutes, sickening isn't even the word  I would be a nervous mom as well, don't blame you a bit. 

[islandmonkey]

I would really like to know what was in those emails that Desiree and Kaine recently saw

They were enough to convince both of them that TH had an extreme hatred for Kyron.

LE has reassured the public and the parents at K's school that this is not a random event, nor that they should fear anymore so then normal for their child's safety.

That leads me to believe, along with Terri's refusal to speak because she might incriminate her  self,  that Terri was very much involved in K's disappearance.

I do too, but I still think she had help, so in that sense if her help was someone like I was just talking about I think kids in the area are far from safe........course it could also be someone like DeDe helping her and nothing like a sex trafficking issue and then I could see where LE would make that stmt.

I still can't get past the fact that the one who rec'd the email (and IIRC it was Kristain Horman's wife) why in the he77 didn't she call Kaine and say, "your wife has lost it and you need to do something ASAP". I just can't imagine if anyone sent me that type email that I would sit on it, I'd be telling everyone I knew, including Desiree what I had rec'd. Just one more thing that pizzes me off as it is possible it could have saved Kyrons  The apathy of certain ppl when a child's well being, mental and physical is shocking to a disturbiing level IMO.

[islandmonkey]

From IM's post   
On another topic, wrt Staton telling the press that we'd be shocked and they knew things they wished they didn't know I have been wondering a long time what would shock us anymore and I am now considering the possibility that maybe Kyron was a victim of child pornography and explotation.    This has always bothered me, and that is what I was thinking about child pornography also  Don't know what else there would be that would be so shocking.

Especially considering Portland has the nickname Pornland, and the sex trafficking there is appaling, so I can sssee how this could be something that might fit Kyron's case and at the same time allow his parents to think he could be alive..... IIRC wasn't there a huge bust just a while ago that arrested dozens and freed child prostitutes? The entire idea that it takes place in our country is something that shocked me, and when I posted about Dennis w/Klasskids here in P-Cola talking about how this region from Mobile, AL to Jacksonville, FL is a HUGE sex trafficking area due to the proximity of I-10 made me sick, and of course I had to call my daughter again since she doesn't live here on the Island but it Pensacola near school and warn her to be vigilant and extremely careful with "new " friends, and to never let a drink leave her hand since that is how the girl in 2008 was drugged, rufies in a glass of water, and it's only by divine intervention she is still alive. I hate having to be a nervous mom, but it is still my job to warn her of things she doesn't think about since they think they are invincable

I know about the large bust, but didn't know the cities nickname was Pornland  I have read a bit on the child prostitutes, sickening isn't even the word  I would be a nervous mom as well, don't blame you a bit. 

Thanks NRCG I feel better I am not the only suspicous mom.....I hate to admit this, but when she starts dating someone I check the local public records just in case Is that bad?

[no rose colored glasses]

No not at all IM.   I don't understand why a person that would get an email that said stuff about hating a kid like she apparently did would not have done something. Could the person just have thought she really didn't mean it and certainly didn't think something bad would happen. I just don't know what to think.

[islandmonkey]

No not at all IM.   I don't understand why a person that would get an email that said stuff about hating a kid like she apparently did would not have done something. Could the person just have thought she really didn't mean it and certainly didn't think something bad would happen. I just don't know what to think.

That is the only possibility I can think of, that maybe they thought it was just a rant, venting etc......I know there have been times when my daughter would do something so stupid when she was in the 14-17 range and I'm sure I couldv'e vented to a friend something like "I swear when I get home I am going to kill her"......not meaning literally of course, but punish her by taking away computer, Ipod, grounding her etc. I would be interesting to see the context of the emails, I think we'd understand more if we knew that.

[mchenry]

I would really like to know what was in those emails that Desiree and Kaine recently saw

They were enough to convince both of them that TH had an extreme hatred for Kyron.

LE has reassured the public and the parents at K's school that this is not a random event, nor that they should fear anymore so then normal for their child's safety.

That leads me to believe, along with Terri's refusal to speak because she might incriminate her  self,  that Terri was very much involved in K's disappearance.

I do too, but I still think she had help, so in that sense if her help was someone like I was just talking about I think kids in the area are far from safe........course it could also be someone like DeDe helping her and nothing like a sex trafficking issue and then I could see where LE would make that stmt.

I still can't get past the fact that the one who rec'd the email (and IIRC it was Kristain Horman's wife) why in the he77 didn't she call Kaine and say, "your wife has lost it and you need to do something ASAP". I just can't imagine if anyone sent me that type email that I would sit on it, I'd be telling everyone I knew, including Desiree what I had rec'd. Just one more thing that pizzes me off as it is possible it could have saved Kyrons  The apathy of certain ppl when a child's well being, mental and physical is shocking to a disturbiing level IMO.

IM,  Are you talking about the emails that Terri wrote about hating Kyron? She wrote these to Kristian's wife? Do you have a link for this? I have hunted for hours trying to find out who she sent the email to and have gotten nowhere. Thanks

[hellokitty]

 

1.  The GK-did in fact mow the lawn before school  started.  It started at 8:45 and it sounds like he was wrapping up his work.  I would imagine that he has a route and does his work.  He is a city employee and I bet they work M-F.

2.  If there was child pron in conjunction  with Kyron, I cannot see that people would not be arrested over that.  Perhaps it takes a lot longer-to get all of the evidence together   and catch the big fish 

[islandmonkey]

I would really like to know what was in those emails that Desiree and Kaine recently saw

They were enough to convince both of them that TH had an extreme hatred for Kyron.

LE has reassured the public and the parents at K's school that this is not a random event, nor that they should fear anymore so then normal for their child's safety.

That leads me to believe, along with Terri's refusal to speak because she might incriminate her  self,  that Terri was very much involved in K's disappearance.

I do too, but I still think she had help, so in that sense if her help was someone like I was just talking about I think kids in the area are far from safe........course it could also be someone like DeDe helping her and nothing like a sex trafficking issue and then I could see where LE would make that stmt.

I still can't get past the fact that the one who rec'd the email (and IIRC it was Kristain Horman's wife) why in the he77 didn't she call Kaine and say, "your wife has lost it and you need to do something ASAP". I just can't imagine if anyone sent me that type email that I would sit on it, I'd be telling everyone I knew, including Desiree what I had rec'd. Just one more thing that pizzes me off as it is possible it could have saved Kyrons  The apathy of certain ppl when a child's well being, mental and physical is shocking to a disturbiing level IMO.

IM,  Are you talking about the emails that Terri wrote about hating Kyron? She wrote these to Kristian's wife? Do you have a link for this? I have hunted for hours trying to find out who she sent the email to and have gotten nowhere. Thanks

Let me look, I can't remember now where I saw this nor if it was a legitimate site, but BRB

[klaasend]

No not at all IM.   I don't understand why a person that would get an email that said stuff about hating a kid like she apparently did would not have done something. Could the person just have thought she really didn't mean it and certainly didn't think something bad would happen. I just don't know what to think.

That is the only possibility I can think of, that maybe they thought it was just a rant, venting etc......I know there have been times when my daughter would do something so stupid when she was in the 14-17 range and I'm sure I couldv'e vented to a friend something like "I swear when I get home I am going to kill her"......not meaning literally of course, but punish her by taking away computer, Ipod, grounding her etc. I would be interesting to see the context of the emails, I think we'd understand more if we knew that.

What makes you think the emails were voluntarily turned over?  In investigating the contents of Terri and Kaine's computers, those emails would have been on Terri's computer or whichever computer she used to send them.  So those emails could have come from discover in the investigation and not supplied by the receiver. 

Now, if they were supplied by the receiver, it's possible that Terri bitched so much that the receiver was numb to what she said.  Some people are like that, constant complainers.

[islandmonkey]

No not at all IM.   I don't understand why a person that would get an email that said stuff about hating a kid like she apparently did would not have done something. Could the person just have thought she really didn't mean it and certainly didn't think something bad would happen. I just don't know what to think.

That is the only possibility I can think of, that maybe they thought it was just a rant, venting etc......I know there have been times when my daughter would do something so stupid when she was in the 14-17 range and I'm sure I couldv'e vented to a friend something like "I swear when I get home I am going to kill her"......not meaning literally of course, but punish her by taking away computer, Ipod, grounding her etc. I would be interesting to see the context of the emails, I think we'd understand more if we knew that.

What makes you think the emails were voluntarily turned over?  In investigating the contents of Terri and Kaine's computers, those emails would have been on Terri's computer or whichever computer she used to send them.  So those emails could have come from discover in the investigation and not supplied by the receiver. 

Now, if they were supplied by the receiver, it's possible that Terri bitched so much that the receiver was numb to what she said.  Some people are like that, constant complainers.

Oh, I never said I thought they were voluntatirly turned over, just the opposite ~I assumed LE found them from searching the computers.

I was just thinking if they were more than the ranting, venting bitch fest that was possibly the norm and showed extreme hatred that the receiver should have told Kaine. That's why knowing the context would be enlightening.

[Tamikosmom]

IM,  Are you talking about the emails that Terri wrote about hating Kyron? She wrote these to Kristian's wife? Do you have a link for this? I have hunted for hours trying to find out who she sent the email to and have gotten nowhere. Thanks

The following article does not state who Terri was communicating with.

Janet

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Terri Horman Had a 'Severe Hatred' for Kyron Horman
Police Gave Desiree Young Emails that Detailed Terri's Hatred for 7 Year Old Kyron

Nov 15, 2010

Desiree Young, Kyron Horman's mom, described the emails she was given by police that detail Terri Horman's hatred for her stepson, Kyron, on the Today show. Desiree said that the message in all of the emails  was clear. Terri hated her seven year old stepson, Kyron Horman, because she thought that he was to blame for all of the trouble in her marriage to Kaine Horman, Kyron's father.

Desiree said the email details Terri's hatred for Kyron and her marital troubles that she thought were caused by Kyron. Desiree now knows that Terri could have hurt Kyron "in the worst possible way."

<snipped>

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6014828/terri_horman_had_a_severe_hatred_for.html?cat=17

[islandmonkey]

IM,  Are you talking about the emails that Terri wrote about hating Kyron? She wrote these to Kristian's wife? Do you have a link for this? I have hunted for hours trying to find out who she sent the email to and have gotten nowhere. Thanks

The following article does not state who Terri was communicating with.

Janet

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Terri Horman Had a 'Severe Hatred' for Kyron Horman
Police Gave Desiree Young Emails that Detailed Terri's Hatred for 7 Year Old Kyron

Nov 15, 2010

Desiree Young, Kyron Horman's mom, described the emails she was given by police that detail Terri Horman's hatred for her stepson, Kyron, on the Today show. Desiree said that the message in all of the emails  was clear. Terri hated her seven year old stepson, Kyron Horman, because she thought that he was to blame for all of the trouble in her marriage to Kaine Horman, Kyron's father.

Desiree said the email details Terri's hatred for Kyron and her marital troubles that she thought were caused by Kyron. Desiree now knows that Terri could have hurt Kyron "in the worst possible way."

<snipped>

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6014828/terri_horman_had_a_severe_hatred_for.html?cat=17

I'm looking for the link where I read it, but it was reported it was an extended family member

http://www.kgw.com/news/Exclusive–Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails–108170584.html

Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron’s disappearance.

[mchenry]

IM,  Are you talking about the emails that Terri wrote about hating Kyron? She wrote these to Kristian's wife? Do you have a link for this? I have hunted for hours trying to find out who she sent the email to and have gotten nowhere. Thanks

The following article does not state who Terri was communicating with.

Janet

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Terri Horman Had a 'Severe Hatred' for Kyron Horman
Police Gave Desiree Young Emails that Detailed Terri's Hatred for 7 Year Old Kyron

Nov 15, 2010

Desiree Young, Kyron Horman's mom, described the emails she was given by police that detail Terri Horman's hatred for her stepson, Kyron, on the Today show. Desiree said that the message in all of the emails  was clear. Terri hated her seven year old stepson, Kyron Horman, because she thought that he was to blame for all of the trouble in her marriage to Kaine Horman, Kyron's father.

Desiree said the email details Terri's hatred for Kyron and her marital troubles that she thought were caused by Kyron. Desiree now knows that Terri could have hurt Kyron "in the worst possible way."

<snipped>

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6014828/terri_horman_had_a_severe_hatred_for.html?cat=17

I'm looking for the link where I read it, but it was reported it was an extended family member

http://www.kgw.com/news/Exclusive–Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails–108170584.html

Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron’s disappearance.

But this doesn't say who the extended member of the family is.  Due you have a clue that it is Kristin's wife? Thank you.

[islandmonkey]

IM,  Are you talking about the emails that Terri wrote about hating Kyron? She wrote these to Kristian's wife? Do you have a link for this? I have hunted for hours trying to find out who she sent the email to and have gotten nowhere. Thanks

The following article does not state who Terri was communicating with.

Janet

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Terri Horman Had a 'Severe Hatred' for Kyron Horman
Police Gave Desiree Young Emails that Detailed Terri's Hatred for 7 Year Old Kyron

Nov 15, 2010

Desiree Young, Kyron Horman's mom, described the emails she was given by police that detail Terri Horman's hatred for her stepson, Kyron, on the Today show. Desiree said that the message in all of the emails  was clear. Terri hated her seven year old stepson, Kyron Horman, because she thought that he was to blame for all of the trouble in her marriage to Kaine Horman, Kyron's father.

Desiree said the email details Terri's hatred for Kyron and her marital troubles that she thought were caused by Kyron. Desiree now knows that Terri could have hurt Kyron "in the worst possible way."

<snipped>

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6014828/terri_horman_had_a_severe_hatred_for.html?cat=17

I'm looking for the link where I read it, but it was reported it was an extended family member

http://www.kgw.com/news/Exclusive–Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails–108170584.html

Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron’s disappearance.

But this doesn't say who the extended member of the family is.  Due you have a clue that it is Kristin's wife? Thank you.

That's what I am searching for  I have read so much in the past week I can't remember where I read it OR if it was a reputable site, I just remember Amanda Howard and IIRC wasn't it her daughter than Kristain molested (and someone else in the bed??-I have a bad case of CRS lately). IF this is true, I can see her bitching to Amanda since she seemed somewhat sympathetic to Terri in the beginning and they could get together and have a biatchfest about how bad the brothers treated them......I should have stated it differently since it was nothing LE released, just something I read and can't remember what site at the moment