Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #27

[MisterMichaelJ]

A little O/T....Imagine how long it will take all of guys that Casey had relationships with, to trust another woman???  She has destroyed so many lives with all of her lies..........

major ripple effect....

Edited: Inappropriate for MP thread.

[AZLady]

Abbey, here is Rev. Grund's message from WS at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69928

Message From Jesse Grund's Father - August 30th

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Saturday, August 30, 2008

Mercy, Compassion, Caylee AND Casey

It's been truly amazing to me that over this last month and a half this little girl, Caylee Marie Anthony, has caused such a worldwide sensation. Yes she is a beautiful little girl and an innocent that has touched our hearts. However, I believe something else is going on here. I believe God is using this story and Caylee to poke at our hearts and show us hidden things about ourselves - all of us.

Psalms 6:6 ( NKJV ) 6 I am weary with my groaning; All night I make my bed swim; I drench my couch with my tears.

Now, some may say that I am just trying to insert myself into this story or exaggerating her importance in my life. Well, you can say what you want and I know that you will but what this has done is to reveal areas to me that I kept hidden and ignored. My tears and the pain in my heart isn't just for the loss of Caylee because I haven't given up hope that she will be found. No, it's for the loss of Caylee AND Casey two years ago.

Matthew 5:7 ( NKJV ) Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy.

Oh, I can hear it now..."CASEY?!" Yes, Casey. If you know the Lord and understand spiritual things you know that Casey is a victim too. A victim of things we can see and understand and a victim of things the natural world does not know or acknowledge. This outcome of her actions was set in motion a long time ago when the obvious was ignored and opportunities to intervene were lost. Choices by Casey, those around and others who came into her life set off a chain of events that endangered Caylee from the day she was born.

Proverbs 22:6 ( NLT ) 6 Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it.
Galatians 6:7-8 ( NKJV ) 7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

As I've watched this media circus and spectacle spiral out of control I've been shocked and amazed. Thousands of people worldwide have become judge, jury and executioner for Casey Anthony. I saw people arrive at the Anthony house last night to protest Casey not being in jail and for her immediate punishment for Caylee's disappearance. I have heard that there are hundreds more planning to protest on Monday in front of the house as well. What are they protesting - our judicial system of being innoncent until proven guilty and the right to a fair trial? I am so glad we do not live in the time of Frontier Justice otherwise mob rule would have allowed them to rush the house, throw a noose around her neck and hang her from the nearest tree. As the comments and accusations have flowed toward anyone and everyone on the periphery, myself and my son included, I wonder where has compassion and mercy gone in 2008?

James 2:13 ( NKJV ) 13For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Last night I was reminded of a story I was told by a dear lady I met in 1992 in Tallahassee, Florida at my original home church. Her name was Lillian Leathers. She was a Messianic Jew who moved to Tallahassee to work with and be under the leadership of my spiritual father and mentor, Pastor Robert Shelley. Lillian was the original Diamond Lil from the early days of nightclubs in NYC and Washington D.C. in the 1960's. She later got saved and dedicated her life to the Lord as a completed Jew. While she was alive she was a regular on Jewish Voice.
One Saturday night as I sat in the Church Sanctuary to pray for the Sunday Service, Lillian came into to pray. She came to where I was sitting. She told me a story that to this day is burned into my mind and spirit. She told me how she had become deathly ill a few years before. Ill to the point there was nothing that could be done for her and she was expected to die. As the pain gripped her body lying in that hospital bed and cried out to the Lord for mercy. She told me that at that moment she heard the audible voice of God in her hospital room, "Lil, you have given no mercy when it was asked for and now can get none. Your mercy account is empty!" He flashed through her mind all of the times she had been quick to judge someone and slow to forgive. Her heart broke in repentance and all the bitterness held within her heart flowed from the tears of her eyes. The pain left her body and she quickly recovered because He gave His mercy.
It was the first time I had read James 2:13: if we offer no mercy our judgement will be without mercy. I wonder if any of those who call for the head of Casey Anthony or say, do or write the things that are being written before justice has played itself out will remember what they have said, written or done when the day comes that they need mercy. Some are confident and brazen enough to put their names to their acts by speaking to newspapers and TV reporters. When the sudden swift attack comes into their lives, their homes, their families will they remember that since they offered no mercy for Casey their account will be empty and that they will have none to draw on. I do not write this in judgement of them but sorrowful compassion because I know that it is a spiritual law that will be enforced.

Psalms 145:8-9 ( NKJV ) 8 The Lordis gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy. 9 The Lordis good to all, And His tender mercies are over all His works.

You see, my tears and brokenheartedness is not just because of Caylee. It's inspired by how I treated Casey, and therefore Caylee, after the break up of Casey and my son Jesse. I hope that someone who reads these blogs will allow these words to seep into their heart and their spirit to spotlight an area where they may need to repent of being less then Christlike to someone.

I am not excusing Casey nor condoning any of her actions. No I have not and will not do that. What am I doing is stating clearly for all to hear - our actions or choices are not based on what others do. Our actions and choices in every matter are based on what we do and on the grace, compassion and mercy the Lord offered us when we deserved judgement. The truth is that when it came to Casey I failed miserably as an example of the Lord. When it came to Caylee I allowed my anger and personal feelings toward Casey to hinder and box up my feelings for Caylee. I loved Casey as my future daughter-in-law and was always glad to see her and enjoyed having her and Caylee in our home. She sat at our table and did Shabbat with us. She spent Sunday's with us watching football, movies and eating dinner. We laughed together and planned many more days of the same. I allowed my personal feelings toward Casey after she did what was the only outcome for such a dysfunctional emotional make up to cheat me out of what might be my final earthly moment with Caylee last December.

The Lord has a funny way of shoving into your face an area He wants you to deal with. When we arrived for Police Academy graduation in December of 07 we parked our car, walked toward the pathway leading to the entrance and right into Casey and Caylee. It was one of those moments that you know just didn't happen on its own and there was a Divine Hand directing your path. When I saw the young woman with a stroller coming out of the shadows toward us my heart sank. I immediately thought, "Lord, what are you doing?!" Oh, I knew what He was doing. I knew it in my head but that box in my heart where I had shoved all of my pain for the loss of Casey and Caylee in our lives became too important at that moment and I blew it. Oh I was polite. I was cordial. I wasn't rude. But, I also wasn't loving, forgiving or Christlike. Later on at the Academy reception Casey brought Caylee over to where we were sitting and instead of scooping her up in my arms, remind her of who we were and loving on her I allowed the pain of seeing no recoginition in her eyes - recognition that had no business being there because she was too young to remember us - to rattle that locked area of my heart - and I missed my moment. Instead I saw Casey through hurt, betrayed eyes and instead of seeing her as the Lord would I saw her as Richard would. I said hello, tosseled her hair and turned away. I didn't want to open that box and deal with the pain I knew was there. I missed a moment to offer Casey forgiveness and to renew a relationship with Caylee. I missed moments to send Caylee gifts anyway during the last two years. Could that encounter have been a gift from above because of where we are now? I missed a gift given to me by my Heavenly Father and Lord to redeem myself, get rid of that pain and I let Them and me down.

Romans 7:24 ( NKJV ) 24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

I want to say to everyone who wonders how Jesse could have stayed in Casey's life after how badly she betrayed and hurt him and continued to love Caylee how PROUD I AM OF HIM that he didn't follow my example. Oh, it has had a price of opening him up to conjecture and ridiculous speculation but it has the reward of knowing that at that moment when he could have offered judgement he offered compassion, love and mercy.
So, when you read of the pain I feel or see the tears that flow tonight during an interview on Geraldo Rivera on Fox at 10 p.m. know that they are from a broken heart that I had a hand in creating. Remember that as you pray for all the innocents out there who have no one to cry for them. Remember that when you pray for the grieving parents, grandparents, husband, wives, family and friends of the missing who walk by empty bedrooms and unused toys.

Psalms 126:5-6 ( NKJV ) 5 Those who sow in tears Shall reap in joy. 6 He who continually goes forth weeping, Bearing seed for sowing, Shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, Bringing his sheaves with him.

You see, they are having their "what if" moments too. I pray that when your time comes, if it ever does, you can be confident in knowing that your mercy account is full.
Thank you for allowing me to be transparent and share with you my feelings. I do not take that lightly nor do it for selfish gain. I truly want to spare someone my mistakes and therefore my pain. I understand that it opens me up to ridicule and mocking. But, if it saves one person from making my mistakes it will be worth it.

With His Heart,
RJ, the Sword of THE KING
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[klaasend]

MisterMichael - it's exactly that start contrast along with some off color and suggestive comments you have made that is causing the trouble.  Please try and be more careful what you post on the suggestive and off color side as this is a missing persons forum.  I am getting many complaints. 

[abbey09]

Oh, I can hear it now..."CASEY?!" Yes, Casey. If you know the Lord and understand spiritual things you know that Casey is a victim too. A victim of things we can see and understand and a victim of things the natural world does not know or acknowledge. This outcome of her actions was set in motion a long time ago when the obvious was ignored and opportunities to intervene were lost. Choices by Casey, those around and others who came into her life set off a chain of events that endangered Caylee from the day she was born.

That is what i was talking about. 
What is he saying???  What does he know???  This is sooo distubing

[Monken]

PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT OTHER MEMBERS IN THE OPEN FORUM - IT'S JUST PLAIN NOT NICE.  IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANOTHER FORUM MEMBER SIMPLY USE THE "REPORT TO MODERATOR" OPTION.

THANKS

Klaas, let me clear this up for my fellow monkies. There ae literally 'millions' of people who fell in love with this lil girl. If a WOMAN says she adores Caylee and would have loved to raise her as her own, etc...everyone says "aw"  If a MAN says it, he is a creep? Weirdo? Let's ALL REMEMBER that CASEY is a WOMAN and she maybe killed her kid!! I am a FATHER and didn't kill mine. Throughout history, it is mostly men who have sacrificed their lives saving a kid from a burning building, or from drowning. Am I am friggin 'weirdo' b/c I cried when I first saw her picture? I can think of a better way to die than to make 100 million people happy by offering my life in exchange for hers. It would be an honor to 'go out' in that way!  I never did want to 'go out' in a whimper!
  Having said that, "I" am the one who suggested making bikini underwear out of caution tape for Casey! 

Edited:  Edit:  Please do not complain about forum members in the open forum, it's not nice.  If you have an issue use the "report to moderator" link.

This has already been taken care of.  Please use the "report to moderator button"  It works 

[AZLady]

This message from Rev. Grund originally appeared on his myspace site at http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=428758943

[abbey09]

Sorry, i tried to make that quote from Mr. Grund in bold and it didn't work. Let's see if this one works

[stayhomemommy]

PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT OTHER MEMBERS IN THE OPEN FORUM - IT'S JUST PLAIN NOT NICE.  IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANOTHER FORUM MEMBER SIMPLY USE THE "REPORT TO MODERATOR" OPTION.

THANKS

Klaas, let me clear this up for my fellow monkies. There ae literally 'millions' of people who fell in love with this lil girl. If a WOMAN says she adores Caylee and would have loved to raise her as her own, etc...everyone says "aw"  If a MAN says it, he is a creep? Weirdo? Let's ALL REMEMBER that CASEY is a WOMAN and she maybe killed her kid!! I am a FATHER and didn't kill mine. Throughout history, it is mostly men who have sacrificed their lives saving a kid from a burning building, or from drowning. Am I am friggin 'weirdo' b/c I cried when I first saw her picture? I can think of a better way to die than to make 100 million people happy by offering my life in exchange for hers. It would be an honor to 'go out' in that way!  I never did want to 'go out' in a whimper!
  Having said that, "I" am the one who suggested making bikini underwear out of caution tape for Casey! 

Edit:  Please do not complain about forum members in the open forum, it's not nice.  If you have an issue use the "report to moderator" link.

Careful Monken. Not worth getting banned over. Not worth it.

[Dolce]

Thank you for finding that and posting it AZ. 

Watching Jesse last night was sad, I do not think he was shaking out of nervousness or from being scared, but more from being torn apart.  He looked like he could just burst at any moment.  IMO

Looking at him I saw a naive person who was hurt and used by someone he fell hard for.  Given his up bringing, I am sure he was a very sweet and decent guy, and I am sure Casey saw that and was like "chaching!! easy prey".  If he is involved in Caylee's demise I will be extremely extremely surprised. 

[AZLady]

It sounds to me like the good Reverend is battling his conscience over his disapproval of  Casey.  He wants to be merciful and forgiving, but I detect that he is having trouble showing Christian charity towards Casey and probably the other Anthony's, too.

[stayhomemommy]

Thank you for finding that and posting it AZ. 

Watching Jesse last night was sad, I do not think he was shaking out of nervousness or from being scared, but more from being torn apart.  He looked like he could just burst at any moment.  IMO

Looking at him I saw a naive person who was hurt and used by someone he fell hard for.  Given his up bringing, I am sure he was a very sweet and decent guy, and I am sure Casey saw that and was like "chaching!! easy prey".  If he is involved in Caylee's demise I will be extremely extremely surprised. 

I agree. I think this guy loves/loved Casey and Caylee both. I think he had hopes of a family with them. He'd already been hurt to find he wasn't the father, but resolved that he could love Caylee anyway, then that was taken away from him, too.

[sandy leiva]

I found a Caylee You Tube tonite that took my breath away. And it helped me understand some things...kind of. While watching it I realized that someone in that house truly loved Caylee...there cant be any doubt about that. In every picture she is surrounded by really great toys that someone put thought into, and cared enough about her to get for her. She has some adorable dress up stuff and lots of it, and I have been noticing that someone took the time to even put jewelry on her, whether she was playing dress up or just dressing for the day. Most of the pictures I have seen, even those at the park, etc. she is wearing beads and necklaces. And I noticed something else. She appears happy in all of them. The only exception I have seen to that was the picture of her with her Great Grandpa, in that one she looks...well, Im not sure what word Im looking for but it's the only one I have noticed that she appears to look anxious, like she really does not want to let go of him.

While I watched the video I was fascinated with all the different "faces" of Caylee! She must have/had one heck of a personality! A little Ham and a show stopper! And I noticed that for one so young she appears to have/had a really laid back personality, feet on the table while she drinks her milk, layin back with her feet in the air, etc.

After watching this You Tube I also understand now what's wrong with the Anthonys, why they appear the way they do to us. Uninterested, no emotions except anger. It's as if the life has gone out of them. I understood tonite that that is exactly what has happened. After Caylee disappeared there was no life left in that house, SHE was the life there. She was the bright and shining light that no longer shines, and it must feel very empty there without her.

I so enjoyed this video but now I feel sick inside. The reality of what has most likely happened to this beautiful baby girl has hit me right in the gut. I just pray with all my heart that she either WAS asleep or fell asleep and didnt actually have to face whatever was done to her. If I had a spouse this would be one of those nights where I would have to say to him please, will you just hold me for a while, I think it's gonna be a long night.
Thanks Monkeys for being here. It's a great comfort knowing you're all out there, yet close.

Here's the video..it's awesome and the music is beautiful.
WARNING: Kleenex will be needed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dom7q3iMGas&feature=related

Beautiful tribute you know what else i saw in the background of the pics: 
There is a picture of caylee standing infront of a mirror and desk, on the desk is some car keys a black cellphione and a silver cell phone.  Perhaps the phones casey is often heard refering to????The photo comes 2 pictures after caylee is dressed in a pj that says im a party girl, the next in a pink tight holding a pink elephant then the one i m talking about with the two phones

[natalie88]

In my best Doobie Brothers voice:

MisterMicheal is just alright with me, MisterMicheal is just alright, oh yeah
MisterMicheal is just alright with me, jesus is just alright

I dont care what they may say
I dont care what they may do
I dont care what they may say
MisterMicheal is just alright, oh yeah
MisterMicheal is just alright


Sorry, in advance Monkeys. Everything's a song to me.

BTW, is anyone attending the search with Joseph at Blanchard Park today?

[klaasend]

MisterMichael is on a 30 day timeout.  Maybe he'll realize this is a missing persons forum and there's no place for the sexually suggestive comments.  

[Dolce]

Oh, I can hear it now..."CASEY?!" Yes, Casey. If you know the Lord and understand spiritual things you know that Casey is a victim too. A victim of things we can see and understand and a victim of things the natural world does not know or acknowledge. This outcome of her actions was set in motion a long time ago when the obvious was ignored and opportunities to intervene were lost. Choices by Casey, those around and others who came into her life set off a chain of events that endangered Caylee from the day she was born.

That is what i was talking about. 
What is he saying???  What does he know???  This is sooo distubing

I think what he was saying with this is that Casey has fallen prey to the Devil (that which we can not see and that which the natural world does not know or acknowledge) 
I think what he meant by things being set in motion a long time ago is just that which we all have been saying, GA and CA cover up for her and do not allow her to reap the effects of her actions.  Choices by Casey made all her life in the direction of "evil" have effected the person that she is today and in result effected poor Caylee.

THAT IS IMO - feel free to interpret how you see it.

[AZLady]

I can't locate the source, but I remember reading that Casey and Jesse had a one-night stand that he was led to believe resulted in her pregnancy.  If this is true, imagine his guilt!  Jesse was raised in a fundamentalist Church where premarital sex was a sin.  Jesse would have felt enormous guilt but admitted he tried to do the right thing by moving in with Casey and getting engaged.  He did say he wanted her to put the baby up for adoption, so I don't think he was thrilled about the relationship, at least in the beginning.  On Geraldo, I think we saw a young man torn by guilt and trying to do the "right" thing even though he's not at all sure what that might be.  Just like his father, Jesse did not want to say anything bad about Casey, but he could not deny that the child was not his and his so-called "fiance" slept with multiple men.  He's caught between his responsibility and sense of "right" and the reality that just slapped him in the face, again.

[Monken]

MisterMichael is on a 30 day timeout.  Maybe he'll realize this is a missing persons forum and there's no place for the sexually suggestive comments.  

Thank Klaas!

[stayhomemommy]

MisterMichael is on a 30 day timeout.  Maybe he'll realize this is a missing persons forum and there's no place for the sexually suggestive comments.  

Thanks Klaas!

[cubbeegirl]

Posted on the front page of SM.  I hadn't thought about digging right next to the pool and under it:

donna wrote

The dogs hit on the back yard of the Anthony home because thats were Casey laid Caylee while she dug under the pool To bury her. The parents said when they left for vacation the steps were away from the pool but when they returned the steps were at the pool. I think this is were Casey slipped up trying to make sure everything looked normal in the yard. My family has built above the ground pools for years and you can dig under them without removing the water. It would be very easy to dig a space out for a small child to fit in and we all know she barrowed a shovel and stated the Caylee was close to home..

Sep 20, 9:27 PM

That's hard work, way too much for Casey to do.
Years ago I helped  put in a 18x18 pool digging under it and putting a child there, would show  a lump in that floor of the pool .

I don't think Casey could do it either Blonde..... the weight of the water in that pool is very heavy.... she would have had to start digging along side the pool and dig very deep in order to keep a lump from being in the floor... I own one of those pools and don't think she could do that by her self.........

[stayhomemommy]

I can't locate the source, but I remember reading that Casey and Jesse had a one-night stand that he was led to believe resulted in her pregnancy.  If this is true, imagine his guilt!  Jesse was raised in a fundamentalist Church where premarital sex was a sin.  Jesse would have felt enormous guilt but admitted he tried to do the right thing by moving in with Casey and getting engaged.  He did say he wanted her to put the baby up for adoption, so I don't think he was thrilled about the relationship, at least in the beginning.  On Geraldo, I think we saw a young man torn by guilt and trying to do the "right" thing even though he's not at all sure what that might be.  Just like his father, Jesse did not want to say anything bad about Casey, but he could not deny that the child was not his and his so-called "fiance" slept with multiple men.  He's caught between his responsibility and sense of "right" and the reality that just slapped him in the face, again.

Yes, AZLady, I think you're right-on with this one.