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(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/InHonorofNatalee.jpg)

It's possible Scubajap could be:

Angela Munzenhofer - reporter and friend of Julia Renfro. Family owns the Buccaneer Restaurant
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/angelaM1.jpg)

I've been to the Buccaneer Restaurant......Possible!

It was not a good dining experience.

I wonder what her other investments are.

I hate this woman.  Remember seeing her on the news in the very beginning pretending to look for Natalee.  I hope someone shoots her too.  There I said it.

Working on a little photoshop project, be back in a bit  :wink:  :lol:

Just found this:

Well if they were rating a Special memorable experience in Aruba , the Morning Star would receive the 5 star rating! July of 2005...when I brought my Family... we had Eric and Sandra from www.perfectpicturesaruba.com take are family pictures and they were Fantastic..but this time I had bought a new Digital camera and thought I would give it a try...Then along comes Angela Munzenhofer...an editor from Aruba Today...and she takes are picture and does the article about us renewing our vows ( it came out in the February 17 edition ) and it was such a treat. She told me that If I know of anyone coming to the island for something Special..To have them give her a shout...This is what she does and she Loves it. She is also a Freelance Photographer...specializing in Weddings....So give her a shout at ..Bellarubaphoto@yahoo.com ...There might not be any Peach trees in Aruba...but she sure is a Peach.

I think she and JR are both wedding specialists...take it for what it's worth...not saying what they specialize in..I think one or the other has some kind of bridal magazine.

I agree...but, I wonder who the "Sandra" is.......

From VisitAruba.Com

SandraTuesday, August 2nd, 2005, 12:44 PM
See that is what you get when you don't have time to read the board. You miss things.

For pictures of BP and family go to www.perfectpicturesaruba.com (http://www.perfectpicturesaruba.com) and click on the gallery. Second group of pictures are theirs. And I also placed some in the locations, that would be the lighthouse, Casibari and the north coast.

I will be posting a few directly here or I will show Dan how to do it. That we he can add his own comments to it.

Now if I can just find the time.......................

Florida, why are you so curious about SandraK and who she is in real life?

I'm angry about certain people from Aruba "swaying" the facts elsewhere.

If I was an out spoken poster lving in Aruba/Michigan
The next county to Brough
And with some connection to "Automotive Enterprises"

I'd be looking at me also.

Just wondered.  You might go to Refugees and talk to her there.

Florida - what makes you think SandraK has connections to Automotive Enterprises?

How's that?

I thought she was "outed" on there as what.....?

Florida wrote:


I was referring to this post.

SandraK is posting at RU using the name of Astrid.  She is posting at FOB using the name SandraK

I don't know.  You seem to know a lot more about her than I do.

AE could mean many things.......
My impresssion of Sandra is that she has connections to "Automovive"

Whoever SandraK is in real life, I rather doubt she involved in Natalee's disappearance.  If you want to know more about her, as Klaas indicated, go to RU or FOB and ask her your questions.

Well I try to go on more than just "impressions".  I have not seen anything linking SandraK to Automotive Enterprises.

Their future:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/JoranDeepakJail.jpg)

Shizaru, Because it is a discussion of something that probaly doesn't exist if the source was Joe T / Glenda / any of them that were looking at tapes trying to find the other suspect. Also, I am curious as to why you would go to that other board. Which was populated by the likes of Medley.

Klaasend, you are too funny !  !

This case is confusing, with all the lies and innuendos the suspects themselves have put out there.  Then, when people read and mix up their information and post it, that tends to get confusing, too.  It takes some careful reading and double checking of facts to avoid making connections and links that just aren't there.  Thank goodness we have our Klaas to help us keep it all straight!

Thanks AZLady - be right back!

Does anyone happen to know who the security company, meaning video security system, for the excelsior casino is?

Shadow, Klaas probably knows!

Is it the von Cromvoirt's company?  I'm not really sure.

Thanks AZ! I'm just curious if it is/was GVC's dad's company, OR another one I've recently come across.

I really don't recall hearing which company.  I thought that Cromvoirt's company was security for the hotel strip, but I don't know for sure.

BELOW IS FROM THE THREAD SUNFREAK CREATED:

SECURITY –

VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van Cromvoirt – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/GVCsDad.jpg)


The Visibility Team – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/VisibilityTeam.jpg)

Does the casino video show who Joran was talking to before he sat down at the blackjack table?  Did he just go from the poker tournament to the blackjack table, as if he knew to go over there for some reason?

Lala's, we would know a lot more about what happened that night if we could see all of the casino video.  We know it exists.  ALE has seen it.  I would like to see it, too, but I don't think that will happen any time soon.  I certainly hope de Vries sees all the video, don't you?

Thank you, San.  That's what I remember, too, but I don't like to guess at these things.  I appreciate your verification.

Thanks San! I thought they were the security company but wasn't 100% sure. I know there as been a lot of talk regarding lime or other chemicals being used to help with decomposition and odor. I found a location that is a chemical supplier appears to be close to the GVC residence, from what I can tell, I may be wrong. Curious who owns this business:

Wonder Chemical Aruba
Paraguana 10-C
PARADERA
Tel: (297) 5870538
Fax: (297) 5827778

Shadow, you can find the owner of any Aruban business here:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry.asphttp://

Well who better to help Paulus dispose of a body than a former police officer and now the head of a security company who has a few boats.  This guy and Paulus have to know each other.  I wonder what this guy was doing the night Natalee disappeared.

Indeed! I would like to know who Joran spoke to just before he sat down at that table.  We know Paulus was already there, so who was he talking to before he came to make the "pick" for the girl that daddy wanted?

I still think if we are looking for a boat for body disposal, Koen's father's boat would be mighty convenient.

I vote for Guido!!!

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Does anyone else see a black dog's torso, hind leg and tail in this photo underneath the red arrows?  Minus the head as apparently dogs frequently are in Aruba.   :(
Just wondering.

Thanks in advance.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/AnnaBlueSkies/aruba1.jpg)

It sure would but let's think about it.  Everything we have been fed is a lie.  It's all to throw us off into the opposite direction.

Sorry Anna I don't see it.

No, I don't know.  I don't believe it's VCB though.  It would be a company contracted or owned by Posner, IMO.

San, if Koen, and possibly Daddy's boat, are not involved, then why would they sell the boat, leave Aruba so quickly, and we hear tales of Koen being so afraid he sleeps with Mommy?  Not to mention, Dave wanted the polis to talk to him, but they talked to Koen's Daddy instead!  And, don't forget the Prosecutor who quit the case because they wouldn't call Koen in for questioning--and this is from Dave H.  I think Koen and Daddy's boat are very involved in this.

I agree.  I believe most casinos operate their own security and cameras.  This is too important a job to contract out.  They need control over this.

Anna, I would have to see a larger picture or capture a new original.  I can't see anything here because it's too small  :wink:

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Thanks, San.  It's all I can make out in that one.

Off for food. . . . .. . . .

 :D

AZLady, I'm not saying Koen isn't involved.  I do believe Koen and his brother Sander are involved.  I find it very strange that Sander's phone is stolen the same night that Natalee went missing.  I was just commenting on the boat whether it was used or not.

Well, if you could see it, it would be even in this small one or enlarge with the page zoom.  Black body, hind leg sticking out to the left and tail at the bottom.  

Its very large and clear if you see it.  If you don't, I don't think it matters how large/small.  About the largest thing in the photo except the man.

I can email you the larger one but it's really not important.  Will send to you via email after I scrounge up dinner.

Thanks.

 :D

Koen's daddy's boat is involved in some way.  That is the reason the subject of Joran on a boat came up in the statement by Sander.  Someone, somewhere knew a boat was involved or could have been involved that caused ALE to ask Sander about the boat.

I agree, too important to contract out, especially if you are Posner, IMO. The other company I cam across was supposively handling the security for the Aruba Marriott Resort Stellaris Casino

North American Video, Inc.: Casino Enterprise Management
Soaring Eagle’s Security Staff

Thank you AZLady for the link!

San, you are right that we are told the exact opposite of what happened to intentionally throw us off the track.  I do think they used a boat to dispose of her body, eventually.  Maybe the Gottenbos, maybe a boat that GVC had access to.  Some even said that Steve Croes had access to the Tatoo's small dinghy.  They could have used that.  I sure hope de Vries discovers some of these details and tells all.

Some of the pictures at that site concerned me, this one in particular.
http://www.perfectpicturesaruba.com/fotos/Gallery/tam3.jpg

The call was heard all the way to Bill's house.

You're welcome, Shadow.  If you search for the word "chemical" you will find your company and the owner's name is on the document.  However, they were defunct in 1998.

We also thought Steve Croes was involved and he had access to a boat both big and small.

I wanted to add since when do we believe the ALE.

Anna
For the first time in all my looking at those photos I actually see what you are talking about.  I would like to see a much larger version to be sure, but going from your description I understand why you say this.

Apparently Wonder Chemical Aruba is not listed in the online registry. Hmmm??

Hi Tyler.  Hope you are feeling better.  I don't like seeing pics of little girls like that on the internet, even though the pic appears to be innocent enough.  But, that's just me.  I prefer not to see child models.  In this day, with all the perverts around, children should be protected, and that means their images, too.

Thank you! :)

Shadow, it's there.

I got no results when I searched the registry. I'll go back . . .  :oops:

San
I don't trust ALE either, but unless you decide to take some of the statements at face value and try to find the truth among the lies, there is little sense of us even trying to help.  Why would ALE ask a question about a boat, UNLESS, they knew there was suspicion of a boat being involved.  Maybe they were trying to rule the Gottenbos' boat out and this is why they asked a benign question such as that to Sander.  It was obvious they had no intention of asking that question to Koen, so ask the one person that doesn't have the answer so you don't get the answer you need. Then you can say..."No, boat was ever involved.  Next..."

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 27 OCTOBER 1986 under serial number 6329.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
WONDERCHEMICAL N.V.  
 
Business address AVENIDA DON MILIO CROES (V/H FERGUSONSTRAAT) 19, ORANJESTAD OOST  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY  
Name of the company  WONDERCHEMICAL N.V.  
Statutory seat  ARUBA  
Date of incorporation  24 OCTOBER 1986  
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00  
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00  
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00  
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN STRICKEN FROM OUR FILES 31 JANUARY 1998  
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:  
 
CREUTZBERG, PETER;  
Residing in  PARAGUANA 10-C, NOORD, ARUBA  
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, 'S-GRAVENHAGE on 12 DECEMBER 1948  
Nationality  DUTCH  
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR  
Effective  24 OCTOBER 1986  
Authority  FULL  
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY  
 
HET FABRICEREN EN VERPAKKEN VAN - ALSMEDE DE GROOT- EN AGENTURENHANDEL IN - INDUSTRIELE- EN HUISHOUDELIJKE CHEMICALIEN, ZOALS SCHOONMAAKMIDDELEN, VERDELGINGSMIDDELEN EN KUNSTMEST PRODUCTEN.  
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Still didn't work for me ... I have to go to dinner. BBL and thank you.  :)

You rock AZLady! Thank you.

Shadow, I still don't see the significance of this defunct company.

If you want to see really inappropriate (IMO )pix of kids, go to Diario and look at the kids Halloween party at C & C's.

You know, kids learn by example and by watching the people around them.  If suggestive, sexual behavior is considered appropriate and even cute, then it makes me wonder what these kids really think?  Are they confused and scared by this stuff that they don't understand and are helpless to avoid?  Poor kids...

I wonder about people who treat kids as if they are just little adults in small bodies.  Don't these people know that kids are not little adults?  Are they so dense that they don't remember, or understand, that children do not understand this stuff and are frightened by aggressive sexual behaviors?

Lala's I'm just questioning whether it was that particular boat that's all.  The ALE knows which boat was used.  So why not ask one of Joran's freinds who has a boat because they know they aren't going to find anything on it.  We need to question everything.  JMO.  No further comments from me on the boat.

Well I think in this regard, we need to do some cleaning right here in the US....  and I totatlly agree with you, btw.

Oh and is anyone else watching The Wizard of Oz?

I'm with you, Mrs. Red.  The best way to raise children to let them be children and not push them into an adult world before they are ready.

Hubby was watching Steven Segal shoot-em-up earlier, and he's waiting with remote ready for the football game at 7 pm.  Don't ask me which one.

I just went outside and turned on the spa heater.  I'm going to take a soak soon, once it heats up.  Lazy Saturday night around here.

I have to watch the Wizard every year... it's the offical start of the Holidays.... LOL...


and it makes me sad to know that this was Natalee's favorite movie and we are still no closer to seeing justice for her death....

running out monkeys... worked hard on getting the house ready for winter... so I am tired :twisted:


BBL... keep the faith!

CREUTZBERG, PETER

This name is familiar.  I think I have seen it on other business registrations

It's new to me.  But, ask Klaas.  She has a mind like a steel trap for names.

http://www.aruba-mahimahi.com/captain/index.shtml

(http://www.aruba-mahimahi.com/graphics/peter_creutzberg.jpg)

Bon Bini!

I am Captain Peter Creutzberg, an Aruban sport fishing veteran
(that's me on the left). Over the years, I've fought hundreds
of Mahi Mahi, Marlin, Sailfish and other Aruban game fish.

Let me and my crew take you out for a fishing trip around the
island of Aruba

Aha, I told you Klaas would know!   :lol:   Well done, Klaas.  I've never heard of him.

Actually I didn't know, lol.  I just googled his name and Aruba.  :wink:  :lol:

Klass, you are SO fast!!  I think it is interesting he had a company near Paulus, and owns a deep sea boat.  But I have seen his name somewhere else, will keep looking.  I am sure it was in connection with one of the businesses on Aruba that the monkeys were looking at.  Like all the ones in Florida.

Has anyone else noticed that almost all the businesses in Aruba appear to be owned by the Dutch?

Yes, I have.  I see very few businesses owned by Arubans.

There may be no significance whatsoever ... just following a train of thought regarding the access of previously discussed chemicals. There was only one other listing on business directory of a chemical supplier. May not be the right tree, but I figured it was worth asking about/looking into.

Very interesting . . . good catch Klass. no pun intended :)

Anna - I took my own screen capture of the rock area where you think you are seeing a dog.  I really think it's simply the shadow caused by the crevice between the two or three rock formation:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/RockDog.jpg)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/RockCrevace.jpg)

Does anyone think this PETER CREUTZBERG looks similar to the bearded rock painter in the video??

Yep, first thing I thought of but there are probably plenty of other people in Aruba that resemble that guy too.

I'm sure you're right.  :)

Evening all.  

Anyone look at the November 10th images from C&C's posted on the CoolAruba website?  Might as well be pornography imo.  I was told guy on the stage wearing the white polo style shirt and jeans was recently fired from the Tamarijn Hotel for an alleged rape.  

Now it seems he is hosting live HANDS ON ‘entertainment’ at C&C's http://i10.tinypic.com/2d6vdpg.jpg (The images are a bit graphic, no nudity, but as close as you can get, the other pictures hosted on CoolAruba.com from that night, on the other hand…).  If anyone has any details about this alleged rape please let me know.   I should have a name to go with this face in due time...

Grande - Yes, I noticed those photos earlier today.  Amazing huh?

Short Slide Show
http://tinyurl.com/yywrro
107 New Pic Slides Uploaded This Morning
http://tinyurl.com/myjk9
Comment by Carpe Noctem | November 10, 2006, 1:29 pm

I saw it when we were discussing these pictures before.  Anna pointed it out to me and I could definitely see it, the only thing that I have ever seen in these pictures that made sense.  "Deepak brought two dogs...."

Perhaps innocent, but with the likes of Arubans involved and that business that going on down there, with the bride (?) business, the male models, etc., etc., it makes me wonder why these small girls pictures are being taken in such a seductive manner.....makes me go hmmmmmmm.......

I guess it looks like a dog in the small pic, but it is just shadow in the larger version.  Figures, I didn't see anything...never have been able to see anything in those videos.  :roll:

 Yes, absolutely.

Sorry Lala's, I'm not trying to persuade anyone, I just don't see a dog..I see a shadow.

There were some worse than this posted at "College Republicans" (I think that was the name of it, but not sure.  I bet Klaas remembers).

That website doesn't exist any more.  I think it was Young Proud Republican, or something like that.

I just want to see "something" besides plastic bags and paint is all. I want to believe there is really something of value in those videos...just have to keep trying.  :lol:

The pictures are bad enough.   Then add a guy who allegedly raped a women at the Tamarijn hotel...  It seems C&C's either does no background checks or disregards prior criminal activity when empolying these people to host what is essentially porn IMO.  

It's not the pictures that are this issue here.  It is what Aruba is marketing.  They have huge national ad campaigns and project an significant increase in tourism for 2007, yet it seems they are not taking the necessary steps to protect these tourists.  Corruption within the law enforcement breeds criminal behavior, therefore along with the projected increase in tourism I suspect there will be a similar increase in crime.  It is only a matter of time....

I know Lala, Im with you on that.  Regardless, Carpe deserves his props.  He has dedicated months to those videos... Just wanted to share them in honor of his efforts.

Thanks, Klaas,
Still looks just like big black dog to me, just sorta flattened from being in the sun a few days, maybe sunken into crevices as decomp starts.

Like looking at clouds, we all see different things.

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NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

Peter R. de Vries Now Investigating … “Something Bad Happened” in Aruba

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/11/peter-r-de-vries-now-investigating-something-bad-happened-in-aruba/

I used this image from earlier because it seems clearer...what is the area just above the really dark area we are calling a dog...the area where it is sort of gray looking as if something is draped over the rock near the top?  Anyone see that?

Is this the same guy we ID'ed a long time ago in a photo with what looks like some sort of badge attached to his belt?

Doens't every business require a Dutch passport holdre for registration?  Thought also we ran across a ruling like that long ago.  Can be of any extraction but must hold Dutch citizenship.

In other words, must be a resident to The Kingdom from any region.

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Lala's - I'm not positive but I do know that is in the same area where we see the guy spreading out the plastic/white tarp.

It's probably just the way the sun is shining on those rocks.

 :shock: ???

Grande - some were thinking that the shadow area between the rocks may have been a dead dog.  I enlarged and highlighted the area and I think it's simply a shadow in the crevice of the rocks.  What do you think?

At first glance it appears to be a doctored image/shadow.

Lalas,
I can't tell what that is at the top.  Something.   :shock: The reason I do not see it as a shadow is look closely at the top one and notice where the hind leg attached is in very bright sunlight and yet it doesn't receed into the crevice but looks flat like the light is hitting on something solid and very shallow in the indentions.  The hind leg seems forward instead of in shadows to me.  The shadow does not go back as it should but seems very shallow.

But as I said, this is like looking at clouds, we all see something different.  And no matter what we see, it's not likely to make a tremendous difference in helping to find Natalee.  Unfortunately.  
 :(
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Well of course it's doctored in my enlarged and highlighted photo capture from the video.  Only doctored to the extent that I enlarged and highlighted it though.  I didn't paint anything on the rocks, lol  :lol:

Here's another screen capture (un-highlighted) of the same rock formation from a slightly different angle:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/RockDog2.jpg)

Question: Regarding the statement by Joran that D showed up with 2 dogs, was this statement made before or after the bloody mattress declared to be covered in canine blood was found?? Anyone know?

Okay, I guess it's just a shadow...dang it..I really thought it was a dog.  :roll:

Because I'm wondering if the statement was made to deflect attention from and cast suspicion on Deepak as opposed to an actual statement of truth.

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Carlos and Charlies's seems to hire the island misfits.   :shock:

If they are a suspect in a crime, they can always get a job there!

At least Steve Croes and this guy in the photos did.

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The bloody mattress was found on June 5th, 2005.  I'm not sure which statement Joran said Deepak showed up with 2 dogs though and I'm too lazy to look through them all right now, lol  :lol:

Yeah, it's almost a promotion or reward  :shock:

Looks different in that angle.  That's the prob with photo or even vids, play on light.  Need to see live to really tell anything much.

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Klaas - but knowing you, you could have with just a few mouse clicks and a remote paint brush!

Anna - I agree.

 :lol: I understand . . . I think I'm going to have to call it a night. Peace out monkeys.

 :lol:  :lol:

But in all seriousness, I would never alter a photo or screen capture of any of these videos other than to change the brightness or contrast to see a dark area better.

Got it:

<snip>



Note that this is one of van der Straten's statements about what was said/done.

Although I have to admit it crossed my mind to photoshop this cartoon dog playing dead in one of the photos.  But like I said, this is too serious to play around with.

(http://www.barbpel.com/Images/gallery/barnyard/DeadDogtmb.jpg)

Thanks msmarples.  So...June 5th bloody mattress found, June 13th statement from Van Der Straaten.

Actually, I was a little quick with the snip in the previous post. Just noticed that unless there's a typo or something, apparently the statement was made on 6/13, but VDS didn't submit it until 6/17 - or something like that. Here is the beginning of the statement, which is quite short compared to most of the others:



To clarify, this is the beginning of the statement about "two dogs".

Joran's story about Deepak and the two dawgs sounds as phony as the first statement he made...for that matter all the rest he made too...How he came to say that makes little sense to me..why two dawgs?  Furthermore, why didn't the ALE even ask what he meant by that?  Because they already knew it was a bunch of hooey, that's why.

Lol ;-)

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/ArubaChainGang.jpg)

Note, the above photo is doctored, lol :lol:  :lol:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

I went to deVries website after reading the FP.   Guy is quite attractive.  Depending on the audience, I might say he's hot.  Sizzlin'.  I hope he's as smart and tough as his reputation and something good comes of his investigation.   I'm going to mention his name in my prayers for justice in this case and comfort for the Beth and Dave.

Yeah The devils Spawn, I bet if we shaved his head we would find 3 666
in the form of a triangle also

Klaas!  That's the picture we all dream of!  But ...  but  ...  but  .... where's Freddy?  He's got to tell the truth!

Yep  :wink:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/peter_r_de_vries_29347h.jpg)

Freddy is in the shower picking up the soap  :lol:

 :idea:
New Movie:  Anita's Baby (Step aside, Rosemary!)

I wouldnt kick him out of the monkey cage for eating crackers :wink:

I wouldnt kick him out of the monkey cage for eating crackers :wink:[/quote]

Sue, if this man was in the cage with us girlie monkeys, we wouldn't be serving up crackers.   :wink:  :shock:  :wink:

Hugging Nemo time...night all. :wink:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Ok, between this and DeVries, we're close to going over the PG13 edge here.

Night Lala's Mom.  Sleep well and have a great Sunday.  God bless!

Nite Lala's

Just so were clear;  I was not at all implying YOU doctored the image Klass.  Perhaps I should have been more clear.  What it looked like to me was that the shadow or blackened area appears to extend beyond the top of the rock formation.  There does not appear to be a physical object behind the top of the shadow ???

Grande - I know you weren't implying I'd alter it, lol  :lol:

Just on the back side of that rock formation is where the guy was laying out the tarp getting ready to cut it.

^5 Klaas  ROFL!!!!!!!!!!  
caught up reading and I busted with your post!
Have a great night all.. see Lalas hugged Nemo.  but since
she pays me to do it. HUGS again! :wink:

Hi and goodnight! :lol:

And I accept the award  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

(http://i15.tinypic.com/2ivybty.jpg)

Sorry for the multiple posts.

BRIGHTNESS INCREASED +45

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/RockShadow.jpg)

Great!  Im grateful to have your support in this.  Working on yet another source WITHIN!  :shock: CROSS YOUR FINGERS!

a picture is worth 1000 words

how true

i hate  them all

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”

To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.
J. van der STRATEN (signed by Jan VDS)


ok, im not a rocket scientist....
but it appears to me that according to SLIME MASTER JORAN he says
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut"

so, he is admitting something was buried...

see what i mean

if some one DID NOT know anything. the logical response would be
"buried ??  buried what ???  we didnt bury anything"

im sorrry but ALE has lost, misplaces, burned or thrown away some of this statement......it is missing IMPORTANT other bits

i hate them all

Because it is really irrelevant in the whole scheme of things, I am just going to rule out potential manipulation with the videos.  I will leave that speculation to the conspiracy theorists, although I certainly would not rule it out.   Frankly, it's just not the most productive thing I could be doing with my time, no offense to anyone else.

Excellent news!

Robot...

Im with you on that!  What is the date of that statement?  That could be the most prominent / revealing statement of all.

Hi, Robots!

And remember that is the odd statement that is really one by Jan van derstraaten as he does not appear to even ask for Joran to sign it.  At the beginning he states it was taken June 13 and yet he signs it June 17.  AND this is immediately after Uncle Jan got his power back from Dompig over the weekend when Dompig announced someone confessed and all that.

How odd to take a statement June 13 and not sign it until June 17??

And Rammstein at BFN assures us that these are canine dogs and not the human kind.  Did the Kalpoes have dogs?  

How odd Uncle Jan just lets it slide.  If Joran said Deepak came back with two giraffes I guess Uncle Jan would not have found anything odd about that either.

 :evil:

yep. when you think about it
JORAN THE SLUG, never denies anything being buried

hmmm,,,,, we need to more disecting of this

 8)

Grande - that statement was taken on June 13th, 2005

hi Anna
yes, you are correct

everytime i see you i smile because of the pciture of the dog with a dress on  8)  
for some reason i find that to be hilarious  :D

To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”


BOMBSHELL

why didnt the FREAKING ALE ask "how do you know it was buried ?"


what a bunch of *($&*%&*$&%(*$&(%*$(%^)$#^  jerks

HE IS SAYING IT WAS buried

and then it says To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”


THEN,,,,,,,how many times was she buried

HUH ????????????????????
answer the FREAKING QUETSTION


HUH ????????????????????????????? JORAN ??????????

and yet Greta is inclined to believe him

 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

WHO SAID THEY WERE "WITNESSES"?

This is the vulnerable point of the coverup.

Whoever it was who signed the offical papers identifying and accepting the 3 as WITNESSES is profoundly available for heavy interrogation and prosecution.

WHose name is on that paper?  Who "classified" the 3 as "witnesses" instead of "suspects"?

GIVE ME THE NAME

LMAO, If that's not a contradiction...  'going to rule it out' / 'certainly would not rule it out".  The preceding S/B... going to disregard it, for the time being

LOL somebody slap me.

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.


CRIED ???????????????????????????????????????????

why you cry to momma ???

i thought you were innocent


nobody cries when they didnt do anything wrong

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Yes, if burying was required, it could be assumed something very bad had happened but I still wonder how these kids would have the kind of confidence to decide if a person was really and truly deceased.  It can be very hard to tell and that goes to not an accident theory.

It goes round and round until we are all dizzy and exhausted but then that's the idea.

But some things never change.  Those last seen with Natalee and the fact that they lied repeatedly.

And yes, de Vries is very handsome.  He also appears to be upsetting those in many quarters most especially Sloots and their supporters.

 :lol:  :D  :lol:  :D  :lol:

Ok I the June 17th threw me for a loop.  

I am almost certain June 13th is the day they searched Arashi Beach.

The PROSECUTOR determines who is a witness and who is a suspect.  Karen Janssen would have to be the person signing the official papers.

Van der Straaten's informal meeting with Joran was on June 13th and Van der Straaten filed his report on June 17th.  Probably needed time to advise Paulus what to do.

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Well, I would guess the other way around.  Paulus read and tore up the first draft and had them retype it more in keeping with his and the Cowgirl's liking.  

I may be wrong but I see Paulus as being more on top of things than vdStraaten because I think Paulus is very controlling and would not trust anybody else except to follow his orders.

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Anna - that's very possible too.

either way

paulus had some serious input
and the result is the same

i agree paulus the insecure sweat hog is a control type  8)

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Anyone else think ALE packed up all that stuff and sent it to the Big Black Hole in Holland to prevent deVries having access to any of it??

 :evil:

absolutely

You Think Jannsen Signed The Papers ID-ing the 3 as WITNESSES?

Then she's integral to the coverup.

WHoever "officially" ID-d the 3 as "witnesses" should be prosecuted for failure to perform and obstruction.

It's quite simple, really.

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Maybe when he gets back to The Netherlands, they will ship it all back to Aruba.

Sort of like Joran.

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HAMMER - she may have been taking orders from someone, or under pressure, but the prosecutor is the one who decides if someone is a witness or suspect:


(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/KarenJ.jpg)

HAMMER - this goes back to your original forum question in June 2005.  YES, KJ had to sign the papers per Aruban law.

I thought Janssen classified them as suspects....
From June 15, 2005:

The three suspects already in custody, Joran Van Der Sloot, 17, and brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, are in court this morning before judge Bob Wit, who will decide, probably later this afternoon, whether they will remain in jail. They were arrested June 9.
<snip>
Aruba Attorney General Caren Janssen asked Wit Thursday to detain for eight more days the three youths already jailed as suspects.

Would that be the same Karin Janssen whose replacement is rumored to already be on the island because she is retiring?

The one who couldn't think of ANY reason for the boys to lie about the HI drop off that arrested the SG knowing j2K lied?

The one who said Paulus wouldn't let them search his house?

The one who had to have approved that laughable let's tap their phones and don't take any forensics scheme?

The one who threatened Jug to stop the investigation if he didn't act nice?

The one who made the nasty antiAmerican remark about going in like cowboys?

The one who told Greta to move back from her car so that she wouldn't hurt her?

They were originally interviewed as witnesses on May 31, 2005.  So on May 31, 2005 they were witnesses.  KJ reclassified them as suspects on June 9th when they were detained.

PROCES - VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, head agent and sergeant at the Korps Police Force Aruba, firstly called classified at the Atraco team last mentioned district 2, explain the following at the section to multi-prevention crime classified.

On Tuesday, 31 May 2005, around 15.30 interrogated and took a witness statement from the man named:

Deepak Sharma KALPOE

PROCES – VERBAAL

I, Dennis Dominico JACOBS, head agent at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the Atraco team classified, explain the following.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2005, at 19:20, I interrogated and took a witness statement from the man named:

Satish Sharma KALPOE

I agree with that.  Originally witnesses, then reclassified as suspects.

Hammer - IMO, the vunerable part is the whole first 9 days.

Precisely!

WASN'T JANSSEN FLOWN IN FROM HOLLAND?

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall that Janssen was flown in early from Holland to manage the case.  Can anyone confirm?

As indicated above from Klaas, on May 31, 2005, Deepak was providing a WITNESS statement, taken by Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY.

Whatdayaknow?  FAT BOY DENNIS JACOBS, right in the middle of the action.

This is one of the doors in, and more importantly, "the way in".

Failure to perfrom, obstruction, assisting in an attempted coverup.  It was the FAT BOY who handed the papers to patsy Janssen.

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Hammer - no, I don't think she was brought in for the case..think she was already working in Aruba.  Yep, Jacobs is part of the coverup as well, IMO.

"Jacobs is part of the coverup as well, IMO"

Yep.  Right as rain.

He's interviewing Deepak as a WITNESS on May 31, 2005.  The pathetic LE appartus in Aruba is grinding into motion.  The clowns will execute "missing tourist drill" and go through the motions so "family can be satisfied" that "everything possible" was done.

Not this time, FAT BOY.

Who is dirtbag accomplice: Shaniro Baldrik KELLY?  Do we have this clown's picture?

Nice work, kids.

How does it feel knowing that your expert coverup job has been dismantled in cyberspace, and that all we need is an investigative reporter w/ some brass and protection to nail your asses?

Joran Van der Sloot is a serial rapist.  And a murderer.  He should be in jail for the rest of his life.

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Hammer - we don't have his picture yet but I'll see if I can dig one up. :wink:

I Don't Want "The First 9 Days"...

I want the first 48 hours.

The witness statement of deepak was taken by Jacobs and Kelly within 48 hours of Natalee going missing.

That's the place to start.

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go hammer go !!!!!!!

SHANIRO KELLY:

(http://www.boostunit.com/sc/uploads/viejo_shan.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/yaq55y

He's also here but I can't tell which one he is yet:

http://tinyurl.com/ybpwcv

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Van der Straaten/Jacobs or Janssen?

It's a totally concerted effort.  Without each link in place, it would not have worked.  Each did their little part and contributed.  Art Woods' term professional cover up would apply.

All parties are well versed in how to scam the tourists.  They had the missing Max deVries to practice on for selling the insurance scam routine that seemed to work pretty well for them.

I do think those involved in this thought themselves pretty untouchable and their island invincible.  No one would boycott because the major hotels are owned by American companies, etc. and they have no concept of consumer rights or grassroots boycott and thought they would just jerk the family around until they went away.

And they still don't get it and think themselves the aggrieved parties.  Pathetic.

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Different roles.  If working per the Aruban law, Van der Stratten and Jacobs would actully take orders from KJ as far as who to bring in as a witness or suspect.  KJ also is the one who presents the documents to the judge.  Anyone want to guess if KJ neglected to give the judge some of the information?

So Deepak and Satish went in alone and made their original witness statements.

Joran was taken by Paulus who did not let him out of his sight basically.

This so concerned Dave Holloway that he made a trip to see that they were all on the same page.  When they are not on the same page by design, that is hard to address.

Yes, I would love to see what the judges were shown and what they were not and the conclusions they reached as a result.

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Anna - hate to leave you all alone here but I need to call it a night.  I don't know how you "late nite Monkeys" do it, lol  :lol:

GOODNIGHT ALL!

You are informing me that when I was first interviewed as a witness that I told the detective that Natalee and me got out of the car close to/near Fisherman's Hut and walked in the sea.
To your question as to what I can state about that, I answer you that I did not say that. It also isn't in my witness statement.
We have never seen this witness statement . In this statement, he says they dropped her off at the HI.
I think they did look at Arashi Beach June 2, I will try to find it. I also think they looked there because this is where Deepak stopped to relieve himself.

Always look for the truth within the lies.  For example:  

something was buried, but not near the huts
something was buried, but not near the huts or by Deepak
nothing was buried, but we were near the huts
nothing was buried, but we were near the huts and Deepak wasn't there

See?  Simple.  :?  Now, I'm going to go take an aspirin.

I want to guess Klaas!  I guess YES.  Do I win?  

Anna, we'd all like to see what the Judges were given in this debacle.  I think there was an incriminating statement given to the Judge which he declared was not believable and tossed it.  I'd also like to see the details of what information was collected on the cell phones, computers and whereabouts of J2K during the 9 days Joran was given to finish school and Paulus was given to clean up.  I'd like to see whatever request was given to a judge to search the vds property.  Mostly, I'd like to see Aruba nuked.   :wink:

Klaas my memory is that she was brought in. I could be wrong. But I don't think she was already in Aruba. I remember her being brought in. Fuzzy memory though. :?

After thinking about this maybe it was because we didn't hear about her until later and that's why I "remember" her being brought in later... :?  I don't know...I'm still leaning towards her being brought in later....ok I think it's because I "understood their laws" at that time was something about it being her "rotation" to come to Aruba...that the Dutch lawyers  were on a rotation to come to Aruba ("vacation") and they "chose" her to come at the time because she was supposed to be a hot shot at the time...does anyone remeber this or am I crazy? :lol:

We know Janssen was on the scene by 6/5, being pictured along with VDStraten at the cowboy raid of the SG residence. Before that i do not know. I find it hard to believe that Janssen was already named prosecuter of this case at the time of the 5/31 *witness* interviews.

Did VDStraten pull out the 48hr rule to keep the Prosecuter's office out of the loop? We know he was preventing organized searches...AND meeting with Paulus during the first 48hrs. And now the MOJ is accussing VDStraten of innappropriate phone calls during the first weeks of June 05?

I will look for Janssen info, maybe she has quotes before 6/5. But i think it will all lead back to the dirty duo of Jacobs and VDStratten.

Sue, if this man was in the cage with us girlie monkeys, we wouldn't be serving up crackers.   :wink:  :shock:  :wink:[/quote]

I wouldn't even care if he could form a full sentence.  

I hope he is as successful in his present endeavor as he is handsome.

Janssen had been working in Aruba for a couple of years at the time of Nat's disappearance. She had worked with Paulus, remember?

Good morning.

I thought I read somewhere that the rotation is 3 years and Karin's 3  years is up.  Just because her name didn't come up from the start like the suspects' doesn't mean she wasn't in it up to her eyeballs.  Too much depended on her integrity and it seems she failed miserably.

Just taking a guess here.  The guy in the car has a red shirt on with a white emblem on the right arm and so does the guy in the picture below:

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Kelly.jpg)

Sorry Hammer - You are right, it starts with the first 48 hours.  But I still want the whole first 9 days.  Knowing what happened on the 3rd day may help us figure out the first 48 hours.

The Holloway/Twitty entourage left the VDS residence early 5/31.  They had been in the company of ALE from Noord station.  

Refresh my memory as to why 2K gave withness statements at Bubali later that day.  Are Jacobs & Kelly associated with more than one precinct, or station house?

Bingo Anna.  Paulus would never leave Joran alone unless it was with someone he trusted.  I am still going to say that Paulus never went to work that Monday just like Joran never went to school.  They had meetings with Van der Straaten or someone else in command to see what the game plan would be.  Paulus was too frightened that Joran would slip up and the one who would pay would be Paulus.

After. In the beginning, we had a bloody mattress and two security guards, a drop off at the Holiday Inn.

At this point I don't think it matters where they are stationed.  They are on Red alert just in case one of the family members arrives at one of these stations.  They have a man in place at each station to throw the Holloway/Twitty off to give them more time.

Of course, it was but do you not find the statement about two dogs interesting?  I think there is something about dogs and this murder of Natalee that needs investigating and the "two dogs" might be Julia and Angela, for all we know.  I would bet,  in private, that is what they are called by locals.

They are two dogs Tyler.  I don't have to bet I just say it.  These two women along with Anita are the scum of the earth.

At the top of my CHRISTMAS WISH LIST.

and his friends from Aruba right there ready to tighten the screws. :lol:

I agree, same facial structure..
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/my_photos_/Shaniro.jpg)

That makes a growing group of us, Robots.  What makes me hate is what they did to Natalee and moreover the lies and coverups perpetuated by these lackeys like frizzy Renfro and fat Angela.

He knows but he knows this is not the place and the reason he knows is because Paulus told him where she was "relocated" by the bifrons paid by Paulus.

Remember if you will, Greta believed Bill Clinton when he said he never had sex with that woman and OJ Simpson when he said he was looking for Nicole's killers.  Greta and her husband are parasites on the back of prosperity.

You've touched upon my thinking, here.  The HI lie was in place at this point, and the Holloway/Twitty group had already made noise at the Noord station, which I had had the impression Jacobs & Kelly were associated.  Taking the statements at Bubali can be perceived as a diversion, absolutely, especially since ALE claimed no knowledge of a missing girl, and the missing report was delayed at least to this point.  

Dave Holloway arrived 6/1, IIRC, and was told by Jacobs to go have a beer at CnC on or about that date.  Thought it was at Noord station....

I'm just looking at these occurances just as we've looked at the statements, and considering Hammer's question about the 1st 48 hours.

On the Tuesday, Van Der Stratten went to Paulus's  work and told him to take Joran to the police station at Bulbai. So, a statement was made on the Tuesday in Paulus's presence.  Then Wednesday, Satish and Deepak went to the Racquet Club and gave Joran the details of the HI drop off because they had already done a drive thru with the police. Because Joran was under 18 at the time, Paulus was allowed to be present on the Tuesday.
The police never looked in the obvious direction of Deepak, Satish and Joran until the Security Guards came up with alibis.
As far as Karin Janssen is is concerned, she signed the arrest warrants for the guards. Her information comes from the police. Did she do anything in this case ? She could not get a search warrant ( or did she try ) for the VDS compound and every one of her presentations in court seems to have fallen flat.
I hope that DeVries looks into the relationships between these people, the Sloots, Jacobs, Jan VanDer , Janssen before any of this happened.
And if there is any dirt, really good dirt, I want to hear it.

Not the first 48 hrs.  But what I find interesting is everything that happened the 9th-10th.  Family informed of death, Joran in his only tearful pose.  Didn't Art Wood (on Dana??) say something about a confession then by Monday (June 13th), it had all changed?? We now see the "discussion" signed by J VanderStratten involved with Joran on the 13th.  Where is Joran's real statement from the 9th-10th?? Was that the one torn up on the desk??

I think Paulus was assured she was dead, perhaps by his "doctor friend" at the hospital where he was paid for quality assurance/quality control.  He had the upper hand on the doctors there.  He knew what side his beread was buttered on and he used it to the full extent.  If Natalee was not dead, he would assure she was.  Why else was he lurking certain sites on his computer within hours of Natalee leaving C&C with his spawn of Satan son.

Advice and consent in its purest form.

I think all the evidence that was worthy of being called evidence was put into the incinerator at the oil refinery.  Anything that did not make its way there seemed to get into the hands of someone who paid for it and it is too bad the price was so high, or we would have more evidence; albeit to no benefit except to satisfy our curiosity but we all know that Joran & K2 are ultimately responsible and Paulus is involved as well as Freddy, Gudio and JR and the slugs that are employed by her and those who employ her.

Or the same one who went in like renegades and arrested Johns and Jones

Her globe-trotting seemed to be ongoing and she may have been flown in since she had been in Holland doing some lectures on drugs and how to control them.  She also went back to Holland to take evidence that was lost in flight or evaporated when the plane's altitude reached penthouse levels.  I was told by someone who knew she was "hankering" for a job at the Hague and had been working toward such at the time, and during the Holloway case which was not considered large in the overall scheme of things nor did its resolution contribute to the greater good, which is the Hague's only interest, "the greater good," (as in freeing Saddam, Milosovic and embracing that former kooky Ramsey Clark), she was traveling to and fro at the time writing articles and speaking at universities, the Hague, etc.

morning monkeys. Msmarple: thanks for finding & posting the statement regarding the mattress and the dates. Just caught up reading from last nights discussion and really like seeing all this good thinking/detective work.

Yikes, I meant to say our former attorney general, Ramsey Clark, who worked for the nut case peanut farmer, president Carter.

Simply put, Sleuth, I think the case was closed before it began, May 31, once Paulus knew.  It was done and dead, just like Natalee, perhaps before she even drew her last breath.

I believe before Dave went to the Nord station he stopped at another station and the officer there told Dave they didn't know anything about a missing girl try the other station.

Now here we have an officer saying they didn't know anything about a girl missing but there was an article in the paper about a girl missing.

Good point, Buckeye.  We all realize there are statements missing, and the questioning on the statements following were lead by those mossing statements.  WTH are they?  Maybe Tylergal is right...they met with a shreadder or incinerator...Lord knows.

Would it matter, Anna what they judges saw?  After all, these were buddies of the maggot, Paulus.  Do you remember Blacklabel?  I think he was Smit.

She was the one who signed the order for Johns & Jones to be arrested and oversaw that, like a big bad cowgirl, whose hat fell off because she has no chin to hold it on.

She was taking orders from Paulus to arrest these two "Negroes" before they blame 'my son.'

I'd be interested in Jansens tenure in Aruba before Natalee disappeared. What cases if any did she prosecute, etc ... and more specifically what was her relationship to Paulus?

Were we not told when KJ went to Holland that she and Paulus shared adjoining offices?  I am not sure where we got this information, but during that time he was allowed to come and go willy nilly in that office, and surely if there was anything that needed to disappear, during her absence, he could assure it did.  

I hope we will find out what the relationship was between them but without some honesty, we will never find that out and I think honest people will be afraid to talk or never contacted.

"In the persecution of criminal acts, the Public Prosecutor's Office operates completely independent from the Minister of Justice and the Government of Aruba. The Public Prosecutor's Office does not have to justify its actions with regards to the persecution of criminal acts to the Minister of Justice or the Government of Aruba."
(from Nov. 11 article on aruba.com regarding Natalee Holloway case)

Jansen may have been following orders, but it was her call and her sole reponsibility based on the above interpretation. Any idea who else makes up the public prosecutors office? Apologies if this has already been covered.

I'm sure if we ask Klaas nicely, she will reference something about Karin's claim to fame in the Netherlands.  I believe she got a conviction in a case where there was no body and that was considered pretty unusual.

Klaas, that's all the detail I'm good for.

From Shizaru's timeline:

June 1: Dave Holloway arrives on Aruba. The first two polis stations he visits are unaware of Natalee's disappearance. At the Noord station, Jacobs tells him that she probably got drunk or fell in love and ran off for a few days. Jacobs advises Dave to go relax and have a beer at CnCs, that is the best place to look for her. However he also tells Dave that they should be careful to cover their drinks at CnCs because sometimes people will slip drugs in them (Family's Nov 1 letter, Dave's book)

June 1: Beth and Jug arrive at Noord police station to file missing persons report, are made to wait while Jacobs shaves and finishes his Frosted Flakes. Jug overhears polis use the word "puta" (Vanity Fair, CNN 10/3/05)

June 1: First coverage of Natalee's disappearance on cable news prograns in the US

June 1: Aruba Today editor Julia Renfro organizes the first search teams, which meet in the HI lobby following a series of radio announcements, and consist mostly of tourists. Van der Straaten is not happy that the search is taking place, and tells the group not to cause traffic problems (Vanity Fair)

June 1: Satish and Deepak seperately take polis to point out the HI dropoff spot, Satish tells them he already did so the day before but polis are unaware of that and he has to do it again. Satish tells polis that Deepak said Joran was “crazy” because he had been French kissing a girl he just met. Afterwords Deepak and Satish go meet Joran at the Raquet Club, and talk with him in front of the club for about 15 minutes. until polis arrive and take Joran to point out the dropoff spot. At about 10:30 pm Deepak and Satish go to Joran's apartment, where they tell Anita the HI lie (S 6/13, 6/24)

June 1: Anita VDSloot returns to Aruba from the Netherlands. at about 8:00 pm.

June 1 or 2: Polis put trio under surveilance (48 Hours)

This is exactly what I mean.  How did Julia Renfro know about Natalee missing before the police.

Someone printed an article or a post that Julia made on the message boards explaining all she did and how she even printed an article in the paper.

thanks Peaches :)

I thought I remembered something about offices in the same building, possiblly adjoining, but wasn't sure. I agree.

That's about all I remember as well.

FYI - Need to shut our power down so I'll be offline for a couple hours!

Yep, that's why I brought it over.  Also, states that VanderStraaten is unhappy with JR's search, worried about traffic....Anita returns, knows what's going on, and has meeting that night with 2K.  Surveillance begins, where is that info?  All we've seen is the phone & computer records.  The car interior had to have been changed during this time frame.  Rudy said there was blood....later found to be Dutch chocolate and cleaning fluid.  

As Mark Furhman & many others have stated,  routine detective work was not done during those crucial first hours, and the folly continued thereafter.

Really that quote from Shirazus timeline is quite telling. Almost as if Jacob's is hinting at what happened to Natalee . . . cover your drinks. WTF!

I think Anita knew the whole deal before she arrived home.  She knew all this took place in her home.  I also believe that while Anita was away she placed a few phone calls to Joran's school.

Yes I agree that the interior was completely replaced in Deepak's car during that time.  It had to be replaced because the K2 could bury Joran for what he did to Natalee.  He didn't get the scratches and bruises on his face being such a good sporter.

SATISH'S 6/24/05 STATEMENT:

"then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”

I take this to be that Joran was in his rage at that point and badly harmed or killed Natalee at that point.

SATISH'S 6/13/05 STATEMENT:

"Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing."

Both Kalpoes know what happened to Natalee because they were present.

BETH'S QUESTION TO DEEPAK:

Did you help her Deepak.

While Deepak stood there looking down and not saying a word because he knows he could have helped her and he didn't.

CHRIS COUMO PRIMETIME INTERVIEW:

"Did you see Natalee in distress"

That question caught him off guard and made him think because he knows he killed her and he didn't expect that question.  He facial expression said it all.

OMG, I'm watching the end of "A Bridge Too Far" (WWII, battle to take Arnhem).  Robert Redford wants to go forward - they're 17k's from Arhem - and some British general wants to stop.  Redford screams at him that half his men are dead, there are British soldiers in Arnhem in serious trouble and they can't stop now.  The British are going to die!  They've been captured by the Germans!  

Just a little historical perspective on Arnhem.  Now I'll go read some and see what's happening.

Kat, I don't know if this case will be solved, but your last paragraph is high on my wish list.  That's the key to this.   (Emphasis added by me.)  Then, all of a sudden, you know why there's no evidence.  Or so they say.  If there's a record of work done on Deepak's backseat, with an FBI agent saying it looked like blood, you've got evidence.  If you've got statements by Joran that were thrown out by a Judge who spends weekends with the Sloots, you've got evidence.  If you've got a witness who helped dispose of a body, you've got evidence.  Problem there would be that without a plea deal, that witness won't talk.

Part 1:  I don't think the "Joran is crazy" statement was because he was french kissing a girl he just met.  My goodness, these guys went out every week scoping out the tourists.  Joran was doing a lot more than french kissing Natalee.  

Part 2:  If Satish really asked "how's the girl doing" then he didn't know she died - OR she didn't die that night.  That along with other Kalpoe statements and the police car tape, makes me think that one or both Kalpoes didn't know the final outcome of the evening until after the lie fell apart and they found themselves in jail.  They went back to cruise the pond area, looking for something to help them determine what happened because they didn't believe Joran and they wanted to see if police or family were searching there.  

Parts 3 and 4:  Self-explanatory.  Deepak could have helped, but didn't.  Joran did see Natalee in distress.  That was planned when they went out that night IMHO.   :x

I always took that statement from Jacobs to Dave to cover his drink as rubbing Dave's nose in what happened there to Natalee.  I doubt Jacobs truly was concerned that someone was going to put something in Dave's drink so why say such a thing otherwise?

Yep, he was letting Dave know what happened.

JMO.

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This  is such good work, I am bringing it forward in case anyone missed it.

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I agree that the statement that Joran was crazy was NOT about his French kissing a girl but something much stranger.  Remember that the statements say they have had sex in the same rooms before so I hardly think kissing is going to elicit that kind of response.

And as to Paulus and the Prosecutor sharing office space and her having worked for Paulus previously, I also seem to recall that the paperwork for taking DNA sample from Joran only suddenly turned up missing from the file.

It was rumored that KJ then personally took the sample and had it tested on her own, the judge found this out and allowed it entry because it did not match Joran to a sample they had.

Could the taking of the sample on her own have been KJ becoming a bit annoyed with Paulus for taking things from the file and making her appear incompetent?  Did she plan to get the DNA information secretly and use to to keep Paulus better in line?

Did Paulus have anything to do with the paperwork for taking Joran's DNA just vanishing?  It did not vanish in the Kalpoe files, just Joran's file.  And if I recall the timing correctly, Paulus is then asked to remove his personal things and not to return to the courthouse.

So going to work was just a way to find out things about the case for Paulus.  He should have been banned from the courthouse from the first day.

Nothing was done in anything close to what could be considered a normal manner.  Not one thing.

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KatGram,
Beth looked at the HI security tape and knew that they did not drop off Natalee after being shown by the J2K exactly the spot where they claimed to have left her.  I think that would have been by Tuesday as she did not sleep.  

So I still contend that it was known before the arrest of the SG that J2K did not drop Natalee off at the HI but they arrested them anyway knowing full well the ones last seen with Natalee lied.  Having alibis didn't seem to help the SG much as they were still held for ten days and remain suspects until this day.

Since no one bought the SG as culprits, I do think they keep them listed as suspects just in case someone is not following the case very closely, just looks so good to have them listed as suspects to deflect from the Island's Favorite Son as being guilty.

KJ said we couldn't think of any reason for the boys to lie.  She seems very lacking in imagination to be a professional.

And I think rather than drugs, it is money laundering on which both she and Judge Smit are considered some sort of experts.  Smit is quoted in some of the big meetings with major banking and government organizations on money laundering, the international reports and things like that.  Interesting, isn't it?  I always thought that was why KJ was in Aruba and then she was assigned this case because she had successfully prosecuted a no body/no crime case in The Netherlands.

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 :lol:  :lol:

ROFLMFAO

I am still looking around trying to find out where I have seen this name before :  CREUTZBERG, PETER  It's driving me nuts!!

I haven't been able to find the posts that had the different partnerships and businesses out of Florida.  Oh, well, maybe it's just my imagination.

Klaas ~ my favorite yet!  You are superb! Larry, Curly, Moe ~ that says it all!  Thanks for a smile today!

I've been looking too and haven't found anything.

KLAAS !!!!!!!!!!! The Stooges !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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YOU ROCK N ROLL KLAAS !!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

That's what happens to me on a slow news day, I resort to photoshop..ha ha ha  :lol:

Anna you are right about the KJ and the money laundering.
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We have discussed the throwing of the " choller" off the bridge. BTW, this is a human being. Was the person hurt ? That bridge didn't look like a footbridge. Maybe the person died ? What happened after the person went into the water ? Did the boys who were there stand around and laugh ?  I read somehere, just postings,  that there was another episode that Jan Van Der Stratten covered up . Was this it, or was it when girls went to the police to complain about Joran.
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DeVries is most likely looking into Joran's past to see if there is any capability based on his past behaviour. If you google or yahoo anything on sociopath, you can find a list of descriptors that fit Joran's behaviour.
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And the sad thing is, the Sloots knew what Joran was. No way did they really think he was the person they hired Joe T to say he was.

Evening monkeys.  Hope everyone is well tonight. Since we are looking to put some faces with some names of the ALE, could I ask for a few.  Eric Soemers, Luigi Croes, Clyde Burke and Roland Tromp to name a few.  It is interesting to notice which statements Jacobs and Burke were responsible for.

Never mind Klaas, I foudn some of them.  I didn't realize Sunfreak had been so thorough.  My mistake....slinking back to my corner... :oops:

Well, I am not staying here to talk to myself...be back later. :roll:

Lala's I'll talk to you. Klaasend's FP has been a hit. Something Bad Happened. I like the three stooges one.
PPl seem to have alot of faith in Devries as he doesn't seem to care
about being correct in a political fashion. He had gone after ( so I am reading bit by bit ) people where others fear to tread. He does not answer to any " political masters " on Aruba or in Holland.

Hey, good evening Monkeys, just doing alittle lurking and reading. I did notice something about the name Peter Cruezenberg. I do find a fishing boat captain by that name. It is not exactly your average, everyday John Doe type name........ :) Could this be the guy?

http://tinyurl.com/tz99f
www.aruba-mahimahi.com

Why are we looking for info about this guy anyway?  I think I missed something.

Lala's looks like you better go and reread your Shango to find out.

Oops, sorry Lala's that was a snide remark, I shouldn't have posted it. Forgive me.

Beats me  :P  I saw mention in post on page 14.

sirensong wrote;


Klaasend wrote;

Carnut
Don't think for one minute that I don't a ready supply of pencils handy.

Oops!  That should have read have a ready supply of pencils handy. Gee!

Yeah, noticed it copied at FOB  :lol:

Peter CREUTZBERG used to own this chemical company.  I googled his name and came up with the same deep sea fishing information and guy Bleachedblack found.  I believe it's the same guy.

I have a "ton" of info on him....

Why can't I "copy & paste" from the Aruba Registry anymore?????

That 'letter' Florida just posted was way too dumb to have been created by PVDS, it had to come from the mind of Anita or Julia.

I have problems copying it too.  Have to do a screen shot and save it.

That letter has been posted at SM for months and is currently in the Important Case Documents forum with the statements and such.

Or a Medley or a Moon or a Wang.
I don't go to FOB often. I feel too agitated afterwards. I never go to RU
any more, same reason. These ppl pull their info out of their A*S.

Originally I was thinking Medleyrelay but after review decided it was more likely Julia Renfro.

Remember...
How the OCTOPUS Day Charter/Dinner Criuise
went out that Monday morning & didn't return for WEEKS later..... :shock:

What letter?  I must be on the wrong page.  :shock:

Never mind...Carnut...don't you have anything better to do than confuse me? :roll:

Well, lately I've been having a problem deciding if Julia is anything more than just Anita's mouthpiece.

THE LETTER came from ARKANSAS

Paulus' friend in N.C.

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050723/aruba.shtml

Without a Trace, tonight..storyline has guy offer girlfriend trip to Aruba paid in cash.  He disappears....talk of money laundering and gambling.  Jack, lead honcho, drugged while gambling on the job, then tortured by female suspect.  Not over, but just thinking of Natalee.  Maybe someone else is.

this has been an extremely interesting thread...you guys are awesome...it has taken to a long time tonight to read this topic...but it was well worth the time...

To be clear, Jack (Without a Trace) was on the job, gambling to get info and was drugged, by something in his cocktail.  Just want to clear that up, since it was not earlier.

What channel is it on?

Thanks Kathya!  How did you like my Three Stooges?  :lol:

Me too. I re-read the letter last week for the first time in months and it had Renfro's stink all over it. Makes me think of the time she (Glenda) expained that she knew it's contents because somebody had "read it over the phone to her". There is a little truth in every lie...

Exactly!

Klaas, did you get a e-mail from me? I think i sent it to an old addy...

Yeah, got it and just responded

This is an excellent point and one that has almost never been brought up. And I agree with you. I am extremely torn about how much involvement I think the Kalpoes have in whatever violent act took place. I am not sure they had any other intentions but sexual activity, or rape. I DON'T think they had motive or inclination to kill her intentionally.

Have y'all all gone to bed early tonight? I wondered if there were any radio interviews this evening that might be of interest. I am seeing nothing being discussed so I guess Dana must have had a quiet night.

I'm still reading back so I'll sign off too.

Sorry SB - it's been a very slow day.  No Dana show tonight, no news that I'm aware of.

I am still here, just reading and lurking.  In case no one comes back I am hugging Nemo now and hope his mommy is okay.  Haven't seen her in a while....

Has anyone, other than an aruban, verified that the letter actually had a U.S. Postmark on it?

I saw that. Laughed and thought of Monkeys. Didn't see the whole thing as I had to go out. Will view nail guns in a new light.

Just in case I forget this...very observant San.  It speaks volumes and little was actually said.  That is what I mean by looking at the lies to see the real truth.  Yes, Satish saw something bad happen to Natalee.  I am willing to bet it had something to do with a head injury.  I think this is why they made up the "she fell" story to add to the HI lie.  She was hurt by one of those 3 guys in some way or they caused her to be hurt.  Otherwise, they would have helped her to receive medical attention.  An accident is an accident and no reason to hide anything...then there's the other thing...intentional injury resulting from anger.  If it is really a case of just her falling down and hitting her head, there would be no reason to disappear the body.  There was way more going on here and it wasn't just sex.

this sure looks like that guy on the Aru-bay video !!!!

 :?

Good morning.

Working and lurking.  Tons of work on my desk!

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

There is also a filmaker/cinematograper named Peter Creutzberg:
"The Nature of Columbia"
• Peter Creutzberg and his family of film-makers
http://tinyurl.com/yjrm74
Cannes Film Festival 1977
http://tinyurl.com/yjvajx

June 13th 2005 statement of suspect Deepak S. KALPOE, about what he did on Monday, May 30th 2005:
At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school.
I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now.
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Why would Deepak ask that question at 6 PM Monday evening?  What was the reason Deepak thought Joran might have not have gone to school as he had remarked about Joran' saying he was printing out of a homework assignment at midnight that delayed their departure to C&C's?  The question was foremost in Deepak's mind yet he "forgot" the answer.  
Joran statement, in Dutch, reads that Deepak went back with "twee honden" which translates to two dogs.

I'm sorry, Klaasend.  Did not see this, obviously.  The show is broadcast on CBS, channel 2, here.

I ended up getting a phone call and missed the ending, anyway.  Such is life.

Think Deepak was asking, so, did you take care of it ? I forgot what he told me. I was having a pee.

Good morning Klaas.....nothing like a rumor to wake us all up.... :D

Nothing to do with the rumor (I don't think) but I was working on this  :lol:



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Had one of those as a kid.....wish it were true....!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

The best yet, klaas :lol:

You deserve an award for this stuff!
Kewl 8)

WoW . . . I really hope it is somehting of substance. Morning Monkeys!

Good Morning Monkeys!  Been working and lurking - I am so lucky - gonna have an insurance audit on Fri.  Yipee.

Klaas - hmmmm rumor..anyone want to start a rumor about what the rumor is??? :lol:

J/K - I certainly hope it is something....guess we'll have to wait and see.

let the SINGING begin !!!! 8)

Robots - that's what I'm hoping for!

me too

like a canary   8)

Morning Monkeys.

Just a reminder that there's a thread in the lounge about SunFreak. A couple of monkeys visited her over the weekend.

Okay. Back to standby, waiting for Rumor Eruption.

Another interresting tidbit.  Yesterday at BFN someone posted something about looking at the Southwest end of the island.  The post was deleted...not sure why.

its not IF the truth comes out its WHEN it comes out

it will come out- BET the FARM on it
 

then i get to WATCH the GUILTY parties tell things like this

"im sorry" and then they will become "RELIGIOUS"

im not SMASHING religion by any means,,, i just hate it when people
"CONVERT"  when it is convenient for them

i call it a a LOAD of BULLCRAP
 8)

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Remember in the early days when Dompig would tell us to expect the case to break within the next 48 hours and we would stay glued to our computers?  How cynical we have become since those times!

But foolish or not, I continue to have hopes that Peter deVries will be able to at least stir things up enough to produce some results.

 :D

Oh, I love rumors. Sometimes, I even start them.  :lol:  :lol:
.......
I am still interested in the person who was thrown off the bridge.
Odd, that it was in Sander's statement and then they didn't ask any more questions.
............
Well, we have a day off work because of the holiday on Saturday, but I will check in.

morning msmarple just posted in the SunFreak thread. Glad you were able to visit her yesterday. Thanks again for keeping us informaed and rallying the ATL monkeys together to help out. You know how to reach me if I can help out.

What is considered the 'southwest corner'?

(I know that sounds stupid -- but the way the island is shaped, I never know :oops: )

Was that a recent search ?

AMEN!  

Rant on, baby.

Would that be around Manchebo Beach or am I turned around??

It doesn't sound stupid to me, sharon, because the way I perceive the island has not always matched others with respect to North, East, South, West....Right now, I'm thinking southwest being the area of Baby Beach & the refinery...but, of course, I may be way off course.  :wink:

Same here . . . doesn't sound stupid at all to me.  :)

Hi robots....I hear a big "flush" about to happen....how about you....?

Closer to the area Pitbull was murdered.

Bottom right on this map:

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Thanks klaas!

Klaas....near the Kalpoes...?

Hotels/Arashi Beach/Lighthouse on NorthEast end of island.

I thought the Kalpoes were central -- Hooiberg?

Not really, but yes "closer" to the Kalpoes residence then the VDS residence.

okay...thanks sharon

Oh MeMere -- don't listen to me :lol:  :lol:  Looks like I was wrong :oops:

Where did they find the Lysol ? And the piece of foam with teeth marks?
And the shirt ?

Someone posted the same thing here recently - I think it was on the front page.

SouthEast end of island

No you weren't....I went to my signature line and found their location... :oops:  Sun has loads of information available..... :)

I can't see the map. Can someone give me a place or location name in that area? TIA!

The bloody mattress was found near Baby Beach and the Refinery.

Edited to add, the same area as the Lysol/Foam/Shirt was found.

Evidence, Places, Maps and Miscellaneous.....by Sunfreak


http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=255

Thank you! :)

I can't remember the man's name -- or what he calls what he does :oops:

But is this close to the area that the guy who could 'see things' was secretly searching the waters??

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Remember the Remote Viewing guy that was on Coast to Coast radio?  Might this be in the area that he designated as being of interest?

 :shock:

Thanks Anna!

That's what I was trying to ask :oops:  :oops:

I wouldnt get my hopes up too high that there is some sort of good news comming out of Aruba.  I mean here we are over a year abnd a half later and good news hes never come out of Aruba yet.  Not even once.

If there is some sort of news comming out of aruba, most likely it will be in favor of the suspects

someone is singing


i can sense it  8)

That is an incredible collection of information and pictures!  Kudos Sunfreak on your research!

As for starting a rumor, I like that one that the remote viewer has found something!  That should make a few people squirm!

 :D

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PREDICTION


paulus's sweating has gotten out of control and is stinking up the whole
neighborhood  8)

Not really, the area he designated was very close to the Refinery more on the SouthEast end of the island.

TOILET is considering using a TOILET BOWL cleaner over the complete FILTH island, joe Tacopinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaa is objecting, he likes the smell of BULL CRAP   :twisted:

I went over to FOB and didn't see anything except they all seem quite a bit meaner if that is possible.

possbile


yes

EVIL is always EVIL

Hey Blah!
I thouight the same thing. I was just searching for it.  I thought I read it last week on FP and it was one of the 1st few posts on a thread, but can't find it.

Hi Monkeys!!!!!!

what ever happen about that remote viewer dude?
I thought that clown was going down to the island again

Do you think it's the Kalpoe Brothers?  Singing like the Everly Brothers,
to the tune of Kathy's Clown:
Don’t want your lo-o-o-o-ove anymore
Don’t want your ki-i-i-i-isses, that’s for sure
We die each time we hear this sound
“Here they co-o-o-o-ome, that’s the van der Sloot’s clowns”

Is this the nutjob that Dave met at the hotel while he was in Aruba and decided that he wasnt going to deal with him when the guy asked for a personal item of Natalee's?

'

its got to be K1 or K2 or

the person that gave Mini-Sweat Master a ride home that night   8)

from this point foward i will refer to Paulus as DOCTOR EVIL


just as i refer to the island as TOILET





 :twisted:

I dont know anything about that, But there was some Ex military dude
that claimed he had some devise that could find natalee

I don't think so.  I think that was a different nut job.

The remote viewer guy's name escapes me but it came up later.......

Are the Kalpoe's signing like the Walker Brothers:

THE SUN AIN"T GONNA SHINE ANYMORE

Emptiness is the place you're in
Nothin' to lose but no more to win
The sun ain't gonna shine anymore
The moon ain't gonna rise in the sky
The tears are always clouding your ey-eyes
When you're without love

Well, lets not get all hopeful. We've been there before and been very disappointed. They just might be relooking at some stuff. I doubt if Aruba had one of those Eureka moments.

The nutjob that Dave met w/ was a pyshic, the uncle of karish (or whatever his name was that is jurin's friend and was posting here a few weeks ago).

Then there was a guy who had a "divining rod" that could find human bones out at sea from the land.

then there is this remote viewer who says to look near the refinery

then there is the robot remote viewer that says she is in an abandoned
septic tank

i hate them all

I know Kat - and I agree.  We've been slapped so many times.  But we always say - What If...

Maybe DeVries has rattled enough cages...

I just hope Holland find some that can bring the boys back in for questioning... I also wonder if Peter De Vries has talked to Holland
police or if they will even talk to him

Too many ppl on Aruba want it to be someone other than J2K + P .
And, from F site, they had access to DeVries.

People who have done nothing, tell the truth.

People who have nothing to hide say "search my house, my yard".  

People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing and insist on a polygraph.  

People who lie all the time about everything are usually guilty.

thats the FACT JACK

simple as pie

JORAN still can tell people how he got home  8)

I wonder if the Queen rattled any cages...so to speak.... :)

he has about 8 versions  8)

Found it.  Posted by Espionage on 11/12/06 in the comments on the DeVries FP post.    I can't copy & paste but it says:

Look toward the southwest.

It was a single fantom post there.

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That should be 'phantom', but I think you understood what I meant... :oops:

thank you Klass

i was hoping you got the HINT.... you did not disappoint

he is EVIL, DOCTOR EVIL

thanks  8)

Klaas....what a talent you have....... :lol:

Joran is NUMBER 2 :twisted:

It's line 23...forgot to include that.

2NJ,
Thank you!! You are great!!

I agree.  If they didn't feel remorse all this time they aren't going to feel it now.  Joran never felt remorse for his actions and I mean never.  Just because in one of his statements it says he was showing emotion do not believe it.  Look who was taking the statement (Van der Straaten).  I could actually see Van der Straaten writing that part in himself because he knows Joran is cold.

That friggin island treated him like a hero when he came out of jail.  I'm surprised they didn't roll out the red carpet for him.

(quote from aruba.com)
Balashi
While driving down to Pos Chiquito, along the southwest shores, take a left and drive through historic Frenchman's Pass, a narrow canyon in the rocks with hundreds of chattering parakeets and birds in residence.

Nearby is the Balashi gold mill ruins at the tip of the Spanish Lagoon, which is nearby the world's second-largest water desalination plant.

Any idea who owns/runs or is in charge of the water desalination plant??

Paul as Dr. Evil-too funny! But where are Mini Me and Fat Bastard in the Aruban version?

there is a REAL FAT BASTARD on the island, i forget his name

but he is a BASTARD and he is FAT  8)

Dennis jacobs....


your welcome :lol:

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
thats his name... thank you  :D

in my head i just refer to him as FAT WEASEL  :twisted:

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Click here for the larger version:
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http://www.bucuticam.com/album2/gallery.php?entry=Images/316.zoom2.jpg

WATER EN ENERGIEBEDRIJF ARUBA (W.E.B.) N.V.
Balashi W.E.B. 76
SANTA CRUZ
Tel: (297) 5854600
Fax: (297) 5857681
Business Category: Water & Electricity Products/Distribution

Dennis Jacobs.

Just a quick drop in to clarify something...If I am not mistaken, I could be so don't hold me to this, the remote viewer said that Natalee was in the water just off shore from the refinery.  I may have my directions wrong, but would that not be the southwest part of the island? Near the area of the bloody mattress?  Okay, I maybe I am wrong.  :roll:

That would be the SouthEAST side of the island :wink:

Edited to correct - the remove viewer was looking at the SouthWest side of the island near the Refinery.

Oh I am sorry, I have my directions wrong...much forgiveness Oh Wise One.  :wink:  :wink:

Hiya Monkeys

Oh looky at all the tourists..LOL 14 counting the blow up doll    :lol:

Hey robots!!

here's jurin.
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hahahahahahaha!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Klaas you are too much!  I guess I need to read back and figure out what you guys are talking about.  We were very busy with the puppies this weekend!

I added a link in my sig line to the puppy post.  I'll be adding more pics tomorrow.  They are getting cuter everyday!

lol

NORTHWEST = Lighthouse/Rocks/Arashi Beach/Hotels

SOUTHWEST = Baby Beach and the Refinery near the location the bloody mattress, foam with teeth marks, lysol bottle found.  Also not far from Lorenzo's home and the International School of Aruba.

SOUTHEAST = Near the cave area that Pitbull was found murdered



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I just corrected myself - you were correct..SouthWest

Who is that? Monkeys?  :D

I can't stay. Gotta get back to work, but do we know any monkeys in Aruba right now?  

Somebody knows us.   :wink:

pssst...the sign says "Hello monkeys."
I can't read the one the person in the chaise is holding up.

Yeah, I saw that.  I have no idea who is in Aruba right now or who is holding that "Hello Monkeys" sign.

Well, I hope they're working, cuz monkey friends should be boycotting, otherwise.  :wink:

Hi Memphis!
I think we have Monkeys everywhere.
the 2 women on our left are hold 3 small signs. I think one says SEND BEER, another SEND MONEY, and can't read the 3rd.

How about the one holding up the 'blow up' doll and giving the finger :twisted: Great tourists :roll:

Maybe that's the only "girl" who would go to Aruba with him.... :shock:

That third sign looks like it says SEND MERE.  :shock:     :lol:

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

NO WAY. She stays here!  by the way go one MeMere!!

Ment to say GOOD ONE MEMERE!!

 :lol:  :lol:
It does, but I guess that would be taking things out of context just a little.  :lol:

memphis...you made me get out the magnifying glass....don't see my name on any of the signs....!  Whew....feel better now.... :D

Those aren't any monkeys we know. FAS = Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
The blow up doll, we  ( me ) had a big rant over that one. I never heard from the marketing co. that is in charge of Carlos & Charlies. Or Carlos & Charlies. I think they is " giving us the finger , sort of ".

You're awake now, huh?  :D

I believe that they are those strange and demented ppl from that other blog. The one that is on the bad side of town.

THAT IS FU%KED UP GUYS.....

maybe something will happen soon.........

The blow up doll.......is...kinda freaky :shock:   imo....


i guess they stopped short of dressing her up like NH?

wackos..... :shock: where is my gun??


see u monkeys later

Thanks Kat_Gram!

That was my thinking as well (including your explanations in the previous post :wink: ).

It does make me smile :lol:  Their undies must be real twisted to take time out of their day to do that :lol:  :lol: Do they think they are advertising tourism  :lol:

Go Peter DeVries! You're making all the rats dance :lol:  :lol:


Meanwhile -- I've never seen tourist season begin as early and as forceful as it has in South Florida this year. AMAZING that other areas are experiencing such downturns :wink:

Those stupid people in the beachcam.  Had they just put on their bathing suits and acted as if they were tourists frolicking on the beach, it would have done more for their cause.  BUT NOOOO....
They donned their bathing suits and grabbed their blow-up doll and handmade signs to show the world that only locals and not one tourist is occupying Bucuti Beach now.  What idiots.

 :lol:

Per MF at FOB when asked if De Vries was still in Aruba:

Up to this weekend De Vries and his team of camera were still on Aruba.

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

Here is a description of sociopath.
Many of the points fit Joran. By his own admission.

:lol:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/8ballJuliaRenfroLiar.jpg)

ROFL.....Klaas can you send Mrs. Red my email for me? Please.  TIA.

Hey Monkeys, will be back this evening. :wink:

Crazymom - do me a favor and email me again at smklaasend@hotmail.com

I just cleaned out a bunch of my old emails and I may not have yours any more.

Thanks!

From the article referenced above:
In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity."

Wasn't it Satish who said in his statement that "Joran is crazy"?

Sorry forgot to post my comment about this psot brought over from BFN. I saw it shortly after it was posted, and recall qanother poster from there refering to Espionage as MIP6 . so for what it's worth....he may have adopted an alias after the recent blog discussions about him. Not sure how he might have any info and be able to say anything about Looking to the southwest or whatever.......

Does anyone have any idea what this short blurb in Diario might say?

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Cantante no a comete suicidio

ORANJESTAD.(AAN); Diasabra tabata circula rumornan cu e cantante hoben cu recientemente a keda deteni relaciona cu un accidente serio y fatal lo a comete suicidio.

Pero mesora e informe a keda desmenti via medionan oficial y nan ta lamenta cu tin personanan cu ta lanta y plama informenan doloroso pa famia di e hoben.

I saw that this morning and tried running it through the pap translator.  Wasn't much help, lol  :lol:

It didn't help me much either......

Bleached,
thanks for the info on espionage.

As far as what that blurb says my guess based on the word suicido means there was another murder in aruba.

I just thought of a new sloagan for aruba
You can not get murdered in aruba, b/c it is suicide to come here! 8)

I ran it through a Spanish/English translator and got this:

Singer to does not commit suicide
ORANJESTAD.(AAN); Tabata Diasabra circulates rumornan cu and singer deteni hoben cu to keda recently relates cu a serious accident and fatal the a commits suicide.

It appears that a rumor circulated that a singer committed suicide, but it was a serious accident that was fatal.  Is this close?

That's a good one NM ! Maybe I should consider changing my sig. line... :wink:

AZLady, I'm no expert, but your translation makes sense.

Yes.

SATISH'S 6/24/05 STATEMENT:

"then I saw this and I said to Deepak, Joran is crazy”

thanks Bleached!!

San wrote;


There were others who also made comments about Jorans strange personality/affect. I think it was Dompig who said something about his ability to make himself seem like "gods gift to mother-inlaws" or something like that. Then an FBI member who viewed some part of Jorans interrogations made a comment about him being the strangest (not sure if that is the exact word used ) suspect he had ever witnessed.

he was CHOKING her.........

k2 are weasels that saw it happen

"Dompig is also quoted as saying van der Sloot, the prime suspect, struck Aruban authorities and the FBI as the type of guy who was a "mother-in-law's God's gift."

"I don't know," Twitty said. "But I remember specifically in a meeting (with authorities that) they were saying this is the most unusual man they had ever dealt with. They had never seen anyone who has just refused to cooperate with the authorities. He really toyed with them during the interrogations, and quite often would place his fingers in his ears and just refuse to speak."

http://tinyurl.com/yyswg2

I sort of thought that as soon as they got away from C & C's on a deserted road, he attacked her in a sexual way. And not French Kissing.
When you read his statement, he KNEW she wanted to have sex with him just by her body language. Holy, one of those kind of perverts. A girl smiles at him or is friendly and she wants sex ? Poor Natalee.

You are right Kat_Gram . There has to be something psychiatrically wrong with the guy. I don't know if he's a pervert or on what level it is......but simply the fact that Natalee is still missing, and he has gone all this time with it on his conscience-the act of the matter is he has no conscience, and has done nothing but lie. A true sociopath......

yep, when the K brother said "joran is crazy"

he was referring to something that was hurting Natalee


simple as pie

FWIW...here is the exchange;

espionage posted >>  There is a secluded location on the southwestern portion of the island that needs exploration.

MIP6 responds >> It's being checked "Robert".

igsigs responds >> Being checked? Is this a new lead or tip?

ALL 3 posts then removed.

Can't understand the posts being removed. That doesn't sit well with me, among other things.... :cry:

Well, who could remove the posts ?

Yes I agree he either could have been choking her or hitting her.  I believe she fought back and got a few good shots in (scratches/bruise on his face).  This is one of the reasons they needed to give him 10 days because he needed the marks to go away.  Dr. Baden mentioned this on Greta one evening that he had the scratches and 10 days was enough time for him to heal.  I remember the first picture of Joran in the police car and he was hiding his face with a towel.

There is no reason to hide if you are innocent.  He is as violent as they come.  Bo Dietel said he had evil in him.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/13_27_060905_aruba_suspect.jpg)

Well anyone can delete their own posts for one thing. But then if the post was quoted by another poster...say in a follow-up, which was the case here....it should have remained. It didn't I checked. So, 1) each poster had to delete their post. 2) poster could have written to moderator and asked for post(s) to be deleted. 3) moderator/admin could delete posts as they see fit.

Just a quick check-in to see if anything is happening.  I've been at the razor-wire factory today (Criminal Court) for jury duty.  Not on a jury, but I'm tired and sore.  I did earn $17.20 though!   :shock:

Odd that those posts were removed.  :?  I'll have to read back a bit after dinner.  Good to see the monkeys are at their posts and hard at work!

I agree and Paulus and Anita help him think he did nothing wrong.  They built this mad man up even more.  He is a danger to society.

San wrote;


I personally think they used the GHB as a chemical way of restraining Natalee. Remember this is their MO, at least 20 times before......they drove around and let the drugs take full effect.

Oh with out a doubt she was drugged.

I know it is so sad........

I came across this interesting post....it was under the comment section, SM FP, June 26th 2005. See what you think.......

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One post made yesterday by Simian was a confirmation for me that he’s got legit inside information. At 4:04 pm he posted: Simian Says:

June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

When news broke at around 6 pm that elder VDS had been ordered released by the judge and had been alreasy released from custody, it seemed clear to me that Simian knew this at 4:04.

Comment by new girl | June 27, 2005, 12:34 pm

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/27/mountain-brook-community-turns-out-for-natalee-holloway/#comments

Nobody's into the old Simian posts huh?

Klaas, a short while back there were pics posted and discussion of a friend of Jorans, kinda effiminate looking, big big house......resembled this one. Maybe another rat deserting the sinking ship....

http://www.overseasrealestate.co.uk/Rest_of_world/aruba/aruba.html