Natalee Case Discussion #768 9/9 through 9/15/08

[SS]

Johan - when Caps posted his pictures of the pond last Spring, there appeared to be some kind of a path to the pond that was behind the Chinese restaurant.  I think your purple path is probably the one.  I think that pictures have since vanished, but there might be a few still left in Shango.

[Blue Moon]

Paul vd Sloot worked as landsadvocaat (lawyer  for the country)
So in that function, you know all the secrets of a country
perhaps they are afraid that he will talk about Secret Affairs

Then, perhaps they should "off" him.

Not before they hang him and his good-for-nothing son.

[Blonde]

Klaas get realy buzy so why don't you guys post an email  just for Scared Monkeys in your signature like I did so posters can email you.
just a thought

[Dayhiker]

FBI? So they are involved??

That has not been confirmed at this time.

So true Lala's...but...FBI...not the only Big Guns who are involed...Des

I hope you are right here Des, because it's going to take someone bigger than and not associated with the current governemnet to get them off their duffs. Nico Jorge summed it up effective when he said the island is so political intertwined that they cannot prosecute anything bigger than street crime. I believe Hans Mos had been there for quite a while by the time Nico made that remark and he didn't make an effort to exclude him.

[Dayhiker]

Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information.  He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts.  OR they could be questioning his manhood. 

IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on?

[Dayhiker]

Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!!

Wreck...it WON'T work this time.....Des
[/quote]


If true that is an indictment of Hans. He has had access to this witness for months. If the witness was so intimidated that he wouldn't tell everything to Hans what does that say about his ability to question and protect a witness? If he intimidated the witness that says that he is corrupt.

[Destiny]

Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!!

Wreck...it WON'T work this time.....Des

If true that is an indictment of Hans. He has had access to this witness for months. If the witness was so intimidated that he wouldn't tell everything to Hans what does that say about his ability to question and protect a witness? If he intimidated the witness that says that he is corrupt.
[/quote]

Yep...*new* big ball players in *this* round of the game....really BIG....

[johan555]

this is a chat log between 2 friends

[thoms hang in there Joran says:] is a boy from aruba and a friend of Joran

jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan? do you know the guy  ? Yes

and
en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa    and Joran's dad
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:

thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja idd >   yes indeed
thoms hang in there Joran says:
die ook  > he also
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al  -   he (pvds) must be very quiet

and they talk about
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn  > 17 men that should be bizar 

Johan555:But i don't know what they mean with that 17 men

i am not sure if this is a real chatlog  but i found it on fok

heiden6 ( she is from aruba) post it
Spreek net even een vriend van me, die kent die Joran dus.

-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
hey dude
thoms hang in there Joran says:
yo man
thoms hang in there Joran says:
hoe is t
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
goed goed, met jou? ik zie dat je ook al up to date bent met die hele situatie
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ik geloof er geen ruk van dat hij dit heeft geflikt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
nah ik weet echt niet wat ik ervan moet denken
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ik dacht eik dat het een beetje een kneus was
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
niet dan?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja best wel
thoms hang in there Joran says:
hij deed altijd wel stoer enzo, maar ik heb nou nooit zo iets gehad van oh wat is die joran fout bezig
thoms hang in there Joran says:
dit zijn eigenlijk de latest updates
thoms hang in there Joran says:
pero nada no ta official ainda..the police didnt deny or confirm anything yet...but yea they didnt dig up a body so that was obviously bullshit...and now people are changing their story saying one of the suspects admitted that somethin bad happened, while yesterday they said that he admitted to killing her. besides the police said they're still working with 5 suspects

-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
wie zegt dat?
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
wat je net typt
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja ik
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ah okee
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
nee zover was ik ook al ongeveer, hier krijgt het weinig aandacht maar op internet krijg je redelijkw at mee
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ken je die twee surinamers ook of niet
thoms hang in there Joran says:
eentje van gezicht
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ja same here
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
heb je niemand van die familie ofzo gesproken verder?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja mn moeder wel veel
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja die is natuurlijk kapot...ik bedoel je 'zoontje' wordt op tv overal afgemaakt en besproken als de 'man' die een meisje vermoord heeft...z'n vader mag hem niet zien omdat hij voor justitie werkt...het schijnt dat joran zelf toen hij opgepakt werd vrij kalm bleef, hij had toch zo iets van ja ik niets gedaan dus ok...maargoed
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
nou ja eerlijk gezegd lijkt me dat wel een goed teken
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
maar ja ze kan ook gewoon zoals ze zeggen uit de auto zijn gestapt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en dan omgepleurd of iemand tegengekomen...
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja precies...ze zijn bij lighthouse geweest he...ik bedoel stel dat er daar iets is gebeurd..gewoon een dodelijk ongeluk en dat die gasten daarna zijn gefreakt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
dat is op zich wel dom dan, maar goed hij zal ook wel dom zijn denk ik
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
het zal je maar gebeuren
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja tuurlijk is het dom...maar ik snap wel dat je freakt hoor
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
zelfs al hebben ze niets gedaan, kunnen ze nog steeds veel problemen hiermee krijgen
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:

thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja idd
thoms hang in there Joran says:
die ook
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja idd
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
miss hebben ze dr wel gewoon teveel drnak gegeven
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
OD
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en dan flippen zoals je zegt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
lijkt mij wel waarschijnlijker
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
maar ik moet weer eens gaan man
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja mij ook
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
lekker avondje feesten nog. ben benieuwd hoe het loopt, spreek je nog wel
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ok is goed
thoms hang in there Joran says:
veel plezier
thoms hang in there Joran says:
mazzel
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
later














 

[WhiskeyGirl]

Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts.  We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case.  It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day.  Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE.  It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague.  The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs.  If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE.  We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE.

huh our queen ? she has no grip on the government she is only a symbol
I think also that not only the aruban governement is corrupt but Hirsch Ballin ect also

I've often suggested that Anita looks like the Queen.  The Queen may not have the powers of ancient monarchs, but I do believe she had wealth, and some political power.  Doesn't she appoint many people?  Approve appointments suggested by others? 

There is a poster named Deetch, who hasn't posted in some time, that has a web site.  He commented a few times that his web site was getting a lot of hits from the Hague, early in the case (2005, 2006).  I believe this case was of interest to a number of people in the Hague, long before it became popular among the general population of the Netherlands.

Is it possible that Anita is related to the Queen?  The House of Orange?  Another royal family?  Other noble families?

Does the Dutch Royal family maintain lists of relatives?  Perhaps a name registry? 

Is there a "whos who" for the Dutch Royalty?

I also have the same wonderings about the families of Guido, GVC, Koen, and some others.

[echosofangels]

Typical!!! The WITNESS is now the "SUSPECT".!!!

Wreck...it WON'T work this time.....Des

If true that is an indictment of Hans. He has had access to this witness for months. If the witness was so intimidated that he wouldn't tell everything to Hans what does that say about his ability to question and protect a witness? If he intimidated the witness that says that he is corrupt.

Yep...*new* big ball players in *this* round of the game....really BIG....
[/quote]


Very Interesting, Destiny................All hands to heaven

[johan555]

posted on zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 20:24  on FOK

this is a chat log between 2 friends

[thoms hang in there Joran says:] is a boy from aruba and a friend of Joran

jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan? do you know the guy  ? Yes

and
en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa    and Joran's dad
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:

thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja idd >   yes indeed
thoms hang in there Joran says:
die ook  > he also
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al  -   he (pvds) must be very quiet

and they talk about
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn  > 17 men that should be bizar 

Johan555:But i don't know what they mean with that 17 men

i am not sure if this is a real chatlog  but i found it on fok

heiden6 ( she is from aruba) post it
Spreek net even een vriend van me, die kent die Joran dus.

-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
hey dude
thoms hang in there Joran says:
yo man
thoms hang in there Joran says:
hoe is t
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
goed goed, met jou? ik zie dat je ook al up to date bent met die hele situatie
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
jij kent die gozer wel neem ik aan?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ik geloof er geen ruk van dat hij dit heeft geflikt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
nah ik weet echt niet wat ik ervan moet denken
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ik dacht eik dat het een beetje een kneus was
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
niet dan?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja best wel
thoms hang in there Joran says:
hij deed altijd wel stoer enzo, maar ik heb nou nooit zo iets gehad van oh wat is die joran fout bezig
thoms hang in there Joran says:
dit zijn eigenlijk de latest updates
thoms hang in there Joran says:
pero nada no ta official ainda..the police didnt deny or confirm anything yet...but yea they didnt dig up a body so that was obviously bullshit...and now people are changing their story saying one of the suspects admitted that somethin bad happened, while yesterday they said that he admitted to killing her. besides the police said they're still working with 5 suspects

-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
wie zegt dat?
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
wat je net typt
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja ik
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ah okee
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
nee zover was ik ook al ongeveer, hier krijgt het weinig aandacht maar op internet krijg je redelijkw at mee
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ken je die twee surinamers ook of niet
thoms hang in there Joran says:
eentje van gezicht
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
ja same here
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
heb je niemand van die familie ofzo gesproken verder?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja mn moeder wel veel
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en?
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja die is natuurlijk kapot...ik bedoel je 'zoontje' wordt op tv overal afgemaakt en besproken als de 'man' die een meisje vermoord heeft...z'n vader mag hem niet zien omdat hij voor justitie werkt...het schijnt dat joran zelf toen hij opgepakt werd vrij kalm bleef, hij had toch zo iets van ja ik niets gedaan dus ok...maargoed
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
nou ja eerlijk gezegd lijkt me dat wel een goed teken
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
maar ja ze kan ook gewoon zoals ze zeggen uit de auto zijn gestapt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en dan omgepleurd of iemand tegengekomen...
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja precies...ze zijn bij lighthouse geweest he...ik bedoel stel dat er daar iets is gebeurd..gewoon een dodelijk ongeluk en dat die gasten daarna zijn gefreakt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
dat is op zich wel dom dan, maar goed hij zal ook wel dom zijn denk ik
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
het zal je maar gebeuren
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja tuurlijk is het dom...maar ik snap wel dat je freakt hoor
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
zelfs al hebben ze niets gedaan, kunnen ze nog steeds veel problemen hiermee krijgen
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en wat dacht je vab joran zn pa
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:

thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja idd
thoms hang in there Joran says:
die ook
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
die mag zich sowieso wel heel stil houden nu ook al
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
17 man... t zou wel bizar zijn
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja idd
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
miss hebben ze dr wel gewoon teveel drnak gegeven
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
OD
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
en dan flippen zoals je zegt
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
lijkt mij wel waarschijnlijker
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
maar ik moet weer eens gaan man
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ja mij ook
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
lekker avondje feesten nog. ben benieuwd hoe het loopt, spreek je nog wel
thoms hang in there Joran says:
ok is goed
thoms hang in there Joran says:
veel plezier
thoms hang in there Joran says:
mazzel
-deNNis- And what have you got at the end of the day? says:
later














 

[SS]

Since evidence is now such an important topic, I want to throw out a few thoughts.  We all know what ALE has done with the evidence in Natalee's case.  It's gone, missing, just like the witness's original 2005 statement that Mos said he couldn't find the other day.  Well, in the latest developments this year, it isn't just ALE.  It was a Dutch Coast Guard ship that confiscated the contents of the lobster trap and took it to the Hague.  The pond was drained and examined this Spring by 40-50 Dutch forensics specialists who had arrived at the airport with their own drug and cadaver dogs.  If evidence is missing from either of these significant events, we need to start screaming at not just ALE.  We love you dearly Johan, but perhaps we need to start pointing some fingers in the direction of the Queen as well as ALE.

huh our queen ? she has no grip on the government she is only a symbol
I think also that not only the aruban governement is corrupt but Hirsch Ballin ect also

I've often suggested that Anita looks like the Queen.  The Queen may not have the powers of ancient monarchs, but I do believe she had wealth, and some political power.  Doesn't she appoint many people?  Approve appointments suggested by others? 

There is a poster named Deetch, who hasn't posted in some time, that has a web site.  He commented a few times that his web site was getting a lot of hits from the Hague, early in the case (2005, 2006).  I believe this case was of interest to a number of people in the Hague, long before it became popular among the general population of the Netherlands.

Is it possible that Anita is related to the Queen?  The House of Orange?  Another royal family?  Other noble families?

Does the Dutch Royal family maintain lists of relatives?  Perhaps a name registry? 

Is there a "whos who" for the Dutch Royalty?

I also have the same wonderings about the families of Guido, GVC, Koen, and some others.

I don't know if we ever found any information about Anita's background.  We did find some interesting stuff about the Sloots, though.  The original sloot had a very interesting birth.  His mother was in labor while visiting a neighbor.  She left the neighbor's home, had the baby, and abandoned him in a ditch.  He was found and raised by another neighbor.

I was referring to "the queen" figuratively.  I guess that I should have said the Netherlands.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Most of us have always believed she was moved at least once and probably twice...or more.

Bifrons....everyone just keep laughing at my Shango references for now...

Bifrons has always lingered in my memory.  I think 'Bifrons' posted at RWV, RU, and other places.

A lot of people wanting the global village to forget about Natalee and others.

Bifrons could refer to more than one person, maybe a group effort.  IMHO, there is a leader to all of this.  Someone who decided that Natalee was disposable.   

I think the plan was changed along the way, and the body was moved a number of time. 

[johan555]

[/quote]

I've often suggested that Anita looks like the Queen.  The Queen may not have the powers of ancient monarchs, but I do believe she had wealth, and some political power. she has no political power at all Doesn't she appoint many people?  Approve appointments suggested by others? 

There is a poster named Deetch, who hasn't posted in some time, that has a web site.  He commented a few times that his web site was getting a lot of hits from the Hague, early in the case (2005, 2006).  I believe this case was of interest to a number of people in the Hague, long before it became popular among the general population of the Netherlands.

Is it possible that Anita is related to the Queen? No i don't think so  The House of Orange?  Another royal family?  Other noble families?

Does the Dutch Royal family maintain lists of relatives?  Perhaps a name registry? 

Is there a "whos who" for the Dutch Royalty?

I also have the same wonderings about the families of Guido, GVC, Koen, and some others.
[/quote]

we have never heard  of them here in holland  before 2005
I have  the idea that they( in Boxtel & Arnhem ) were happy when they moved to Aruba

[Lala'sMom]

Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information.  He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts.  OR they could be questioning his manhood. 

IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on?

Your observations are well founded.

[memphis]

WhiskeyGirl,
I do see what you mean. There is a resemblance. 

[SS]

Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information.  He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts.  OR they could be questioning his manhood. 

IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on?

Your observations are well founded.

Do we have any new information today about TES, Caps, or Diario?

[SS]

Rob, where are you?

I think it was Rob who mentioned that Thailand doesn't have an extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands.  I guess this means that if something does break in Aruba, they won't be able to arrest Urine????  Is he in Thailand on a student visa?  Could Thailand revoke the student visa?  Rob, do you know more about this extradition stuff?

[Pita]

Maybe they are questionind whether or not Mos will act on this information.  He didn't act on it when he obtained it the first time...and now they wait to see if he will allow Tim to check out the pond again or maybe even those crypts.  OR they could be questioning his manhood. 

IIRC Lalas, Hans Mos was pissed off when they searched the pond. He has also been hostile to this witness according to Jossy. Who's side is Hans Mos on?

Sloots

[SS]

The Extradition Act of 1929 allows for extradition of criminals in absence of a treaty onthe subject. Under the Act, the Royal Thai Government may at its discretion surrender to foreign States persons accused or convicted of crimes committed within the jurisdiction of such States,—provided that under the laws of Thailand the crimes are punishable with imprisonment for noless than one year.“ Historically, Thailand has extradited persons to countries with whichThailand does not have an extradition treaty on the basis of reciprocity

http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:XtmulCQWKyQJ:www.interpol.int/Public/BioTerrorism/NationalLaws/Thailand.pdf+thailand+extradition+treaty&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us