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Altruist posted this link on the last thread. This is an unheard 1 hour interview with Cindy Anthony. You really MUST listen to this. Lots of info I never knew or heard before.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

On the lower left side are a bunch of blue boxes that say UstreamTV. Second row down, 4th box from left is the interview. Just click on that box

Altruist posted this link on the last thread. This is an unheard 1 hour interview with Cindy Anthony. You really MUST listen to this. Lots of info I never knew or heard before.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

On the lower left side are a bunch of blue boxes that say UstreamTV. Second row down, 4th box from left is the interview. Just click on that box

Oh, sorry, Mrskub, I accidentally quoted you. My post is to everyone in general.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Good morning!  I watched a re-run of Nancy Grace last night and the interviews with Casey saying she tried to call the nanny but all the numbers had been disconnected.  We know that's a lie but did they every really get numbers from her that proved to be disconnected?  Surely disconnected numbers can be traced to the owner.  Ok, I am off to listen to these!  Thanks!

Good Morning EverySunset. Welcome back. I know how overloaded you can get here. You have a lot of catching up to do. Holler if you need help.

Hi Mrskub and thanks. I understand I cannot read EVERYTHING that happened around here in the time i took off. You guys never stop.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: I wondered if I missed anything major and also, did LP actually come out and say it's a family member? Or is he still saying there are dna "shockers"? TIA

Thank you Mrskub, I will definitely check those out. I did listen to the link you posted and agree with Sharon/tx. I could barely listen to the whole thing. The blame-casting is insane. Her accusing Amy and Ricardo and saying they were into drugs and had connections with filthy rich people who could make anyone they want disappear. Geez, Cindy, they smoke pot. Big deal. They're not the mafia. Just makes me sad. Amy is willing to do anything for Caylee and to help the Slanthony's, and this is Cindy's reaction. They might eat weed brownies, but your daughter killed a baby. It's time to stop pretending everyone's a sociopath, but Casey.

Good Morning everyone,

New to this site, but not to the case. Following this since Day 1 on another site. I have lurked here for some time and decided to join the more upbeat atmosphere you all have here. There seems to be less gossip and more facts discussed so kudos to you guys for keeping the story more on the facts with a light heart.

I know it's a bit off topic...but...

on.. 6/26/06 there was a stoveh report..does anyone know of this incident?

it is clearly in the year 06..not a typo. anyone? tyia

Thank you, it's early, second cup of coffee, and Barney on TV. WOOHOO! ::cartwheel::


Welcome becca. I don't think we gossip but we do speculate and research to get to the facts. It's fun and as you say, "with a light heart". Everyone here is friendly and I can honestly say, we all want the same thing...Justice for Caylee.

Jump right in and make yourself comfy. It can be a bumpy ride some days.

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I'm curious about Lee's GF, Mallory. I wonder if she's been interviewed by LE? Anyone heard anything about that?

All I remember of this woman from reading is that it has been referenced that she is on a missing children non-profit Board of Director's which IIRC was founded by her parents & that shortly after the announcement of this fiasco all of her information had been removed from the web site of said non-profit organization.  I think it was the same organization that offers the moving billboard that GA had been using.

1) it has been referenced, I believe by CA, that mortgage payments were in arrears but on July 4, 2008 pavers are being placed as a base for a playhouse for a child who was no longer living at said home June 15 or 16, 2008.  Are we to believe that money was tight but this improvement was more important than keeping the house, why for the next owners?  Hopefully OCSO has similar ?'s for such activity & when the paver's were purchased, how many & if the larger paved area was expanded at that time.  So on an 89 degree day with 87% humidity GA chose the above project, WHY?

A poster at WS who lives in Orlando was able to get a picture of the new donation site George uses now.

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That looks like something out of the "you are a redneck if" file!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, I do follow you Rob.  See it's that "I'm being straight with you, offerring up that GA does with OCSO that has me so suspicious & why it brings me back to Hopespring as the probable location of Caylee to this day.  For all we know the little girl could have been stored in the freezer originally, not attempted to be buried on the property by the skank.  GA could have caught her taking her out, removed her from the bag, sent off KC with the garbage bag & took care of the rest right there on Hopespring not realizing that matter was still contained in the garbage bag with the yellow ties.  Without seeing the trunk evidence it is difficult to put the timeline together, you know.  I really think that both parental units & the skank got together on this thing within 24 hours of the occurrance & that many of the actions taken after that point were to plant misdirection or the child could have been moved a number of times during the time period as they had 30 days to get it all sorted out, of course until CA made her exclamation of decomposition being detected & that's really how they blew it.  Otherwise if the original script of the Blanchard Park kidnapping took place do you see them ever looking at that car???????????????????????

A good number of previous cases that we have followed come to mind when analyzing this case.  Your point regarding the EZ pass brings to mind the shenanigans of Melinda __________, the nurse found guilty of dismembering her husband & dumping him off of a bridge in 3 different suit cases taking taxi's & locating the husband's car in Atlantic City, blah, blah, blah.  You remember Tacopenis's last loss.

I share your pain, but to the best of my knowledge there are 2 statements one in the 1st document dump & the 2nd in the 2nd document dump but most of the interviews are either audio or video presentations that were released & I can't view those or listen but up to now am not aware that any transcipts exist of those interviews.

Good grief, those people really have no shame or dignity do they??

Good morning all!
Sorry to slip O/T, but I have been trying to find a transcript of Cindy's interview and am having no luck, does anyone know if one is available?
Thanks!

I'm curious about Lee's GF, Mallory. I wonder if she's been interviewed by LE? Anyone heard anything about that?

Rob, excellent points.
Maybe that's why LE isn't releasing Casey's version... because it doesn't match George's.

I have alway thought she was the one on the phone when Casey called from jail, wanting Tony's phone # and she got on the phone and said if anything happends to Caylee I will just die.

I have alway thought she was the one on the phone when Casey called from jail, wanting Tony's phone # and she got on the phone and said if anything happends to Caylee I will just die.

No, that was Casey's friend. Casey did mention Mallory in that call though.

Good morning all!
Sorry to slip O/T, but I have been trying to find a transcript of Cindy's interview and am having no luck, does anyone know if one is available?
Thanks!

Yes, I do follow you Rob.  See it's that "I'm being straight with you, offerring up that GA does with OCSO that has me so suspicious & why it brings me back to Hopespring as the probable location of Caylee to this day.  For all we know the little girl could have been stored in the freezer originally, not attempted to be buried on the property by the skank.  GA could have caught her taking her out, removed her from the bag, sent off KC with the garbage bag & took care of the rest right there on Hopespring not realizing that matter was still contained in the garbage bag with the yellow ties.  Without seeing the trunk evidence it is difficult to put the timeline together, you know.  I really think that both parental units & the skank got together on this thing within 24 hours of the occurrance & that many of the actions taken after that point were to plant misdirection or the child could have been moved a number of times during the time period as they had 30 days to get it all sorted out, of course until CA made her exclamation of decomposition being detected & that's really how they blew it.  Otherwise if the original script of the Blanchard Park kidnapping took place do you see them ever looking at that car???????????????????????

A good number of previous cases that we have followed come to mind when analyzing this case.  Your point regarding the EZ pass brings to mind the shenanigans of Melinda __________, the nurse found guilty of dismembering her husband & dumping him off of a bridge in 3 different suit cases taking taxi's & locating the husband's car in Atlantic City, blah, blah, blah.  You remember Tacopenis's last loss.

Ive been out of town and im so behind but did listen to the tape from the link just posted.  What baffles me is the lack of concern from Cindy about all these strangers that Casey supposedly has watching Caylee.  I would be all over my daughters if they were telling me about these people watching my grandchild that I didnt know and had never met.  This stuff was going on long before Caylee went missing.  Another thing is the stuff about Casey having her car worked on.  I know when something is wrong with my daughters car my husband is the first one to look at the car and see whats wrong and then he fixes it or takes it to the shop for them so they dont get taken advantage of.  With George supposedly being such a stickler about the cars why wasnt he doing this stuff.  And last the Anthonys pretty much knew Casey wasnt working so how did they think she was paying for babysitting and having her car worked on.  I know people sympathesize with the Anthonys but they knew all along Casey wasnt a realiable mother and a patholigical liar and thief and  they are in some way responsible for the death of their grand daughter.

jj -
they have not released George's jail house chats either. It's Florida law - all info must be released UNLESS it is evidence.

That one is pretty clear - the chats are evidence. One in particular is from that "she's close dad" statement George made outside the jail.

Who is the evidence against? Can't be Casey because George offered up her version of the conversation. So, it must be evidence against George.

George and Casey spoke for 45 minutes that day.

Good grief, those people really have no shame or dignity do they??

jj -
they have not released George's jail house chats either. It's Florida law - all info must be released UNLESS it is evidence.

That one is pretty clear - the chats are evidence. One in particular is from that "she's close dad" statement George made outside the jail.

Who is the evidence against? Can't be Casey because George offered up her version of the conversation. So, it must be evidence against George.

George and Casey spoke for 45 minutes that day.

I really do NOT understand the "redneck comment" the "shame or dignity" comment either .... I visited this tent when it was at the Publix at Chickasaw and Curry Ford Road last week ... (yes apparently it has been moved, I would assume per complaints)

Has anyone checked out this "tent" or WHO runs it???  Well I have .... PERSONALLY ... From Pennsylvania to Florida .... and YES, I have made a voluntary DONATION at this tent ....

This tent is run by a group of VOLUNTEERS for Kid Finder Network .... DONATING their time to bring awareness to Missing Children .... Not just Caylee Anthony .... This is NOT "Georges tent" .... yes he shows up occasionally to make it look like he is "actively looking for Caylee" but these people are kind hearted individuals that are donating their time to sit at a table and hand out items (they are NOT personal friends of the Anthonys I HAVE ASKED THEM!) ... t-shirts (for free) gummy bracelets (for free) ... cd's with photos of Caylee on (for free) fliers (for free) and only SUGGEST (not require) A DONATION .... which I GLADLY gave to KID FINDER NETWORK to help with the cost to replenish the items I took .....

There was posters there of MANY MISSING CHILDREN ... and I DO NOT consider these kind hearted people that are sitting there getting the word out to be shameful or redneck!!!!

Ive been out of town and im so behind but did listen to the tape from the link just posted.  What baffles me is the lack of concern from Cindy about all these strangers that Casey supposedly has watching Caylee.  I would be all over my daughters if they were telling me about these people watching my grandchild that I didnt know and had never met.  This stuff was going on long before Caylee went missing.  Another thing is the stuff about Casey having her car worked on.  I know when something is wrong with my daughters car my husband is the first one to look at the car and see whats wrong and then he fixes it or takes it to the shop for them so they dont get taken advantage of.  With George supposedly being such a stickler about the cars why wasnt he doing this stuff.  And last the Anthonys pretty much knew Casey wasnt working so how did they think she was paying for babysitting and having her car worked on.  I know people sympathesize with the Anthonys but they knew all along Casey wasnt a realiable mother and a patholigical liar and thief and  they are in some way responsible for the death of their grand daughter.

I really do NOT understand the "redneck comment" the "shame or dignity" comment either .... I visited this tent when it was at the Publix at Chickasaw and Curry Ford Road last week ... (yes apparently it has been moved, I would assume per complaints)

Has anyone checked out this "tent" or WHO runs it???  Well I have .... PERSONALLY ... From Pennsylvania to Florida .... and YES, I have made a voluntary DONATION at this tent ....

This tent is run by a group of VOLUNTEERS for Kid Finder Network .... DONATING their time to bring awareness to Missing Children .... Not just Caylee Anthony .... This is NOT "Georges tent" .... yes he shows up occasionally to make it look like he is "actively looking for Caylee" but these people are kind hearted individuals that are donating their time to sit at a table and hand out items (they are NOT personal friends of the Anthonys I HAVE ASKED THEM!) ... t-shirts (for free) gummy bracelets (for free) ... cd's with photos of Caylee on (for free) fliers (for free) and only SUGGEST (not require) A DONATION .... which I GLADLY gave to KID FINDER NETWORK to help with the cost to replenish the items I took .....

There was posters there of MANY MISSING CHILDREN ... and I DO NOT consider these kind hearted people that are sitting there getting the word out to be shameful or redneck!!!!

That's all well and good but are they asking for eye witnesses at this tent? Maybe people who have clues and saw Casey in a jeep stalking ZG?
Or are they collecting for their charity at the expense of a dead Caylee Anthony?
See, some people see this as exploitation. Understandably.
Further, this interferes with LE efforts because some people might think this organization would do the right thing if they received clues to this case. We can't be sure that the people running this tent have LE experience and know what to look for other than collecting money.

If you go to this link you will find all transcripts
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=39.0

Yes there were many many complaints to Publix!  I was one of the complainers.

I do believe this is more collection for the Anthonys' than anything else.  Why are they collecting for searching for Caylee?  Not one of them search for Caylee.  They have tried to halt searches.  They want searches by anyone but theirselves and on their terms only!
The Anthonys' were selling those t-shirts online for $10 along with other items.  They need to cut the bull and stand up to their daughter!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

Interview with Cindy (part 1).. for me, it's the middle row, blue square directly in the middle. (Part two would be one over to the right from the middle).
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My recap:


part 1:
Cindy wants to be informed of evidence before it hits the news.

She's questioning the cadaver dogs and the testimony in the bond hearing.  Re: 2 dogs inconsistently hitting on back yard.

(I realize she doesn't want Caylee to be deceased, but to flat out question any and all evidence.. even question her own mind as to what the smell is in her daughter's car..  )

"I didn't do this on Friday. I didn't swear to anything"  "I'm just puttin' it out there."


part 2:
talking to somebody named Scott on a cell phone, I guess. "It's very frustrating."

"I need someone to actually follow up on someone who has actually called in".  (sounds like she's crying).  Talking about a Georgia tip.. A lady from the restaurant called. Her husband is an ER physician, her mother and her sister, sat across from Caylee for an hour, on the 21st (July?). She claims she called and has not heard back from the Florida crime line, or the FBI. Cindy is pissed "What's the deal?"

"It's not just one person..." (says the lady who saw Caylee at the airport - who had a sketch taken at a McDonalds - claims that the officer told her "I don't know why we're doing this. The child is dead").

"I got an email from a lady in Pennsylvania". The lady called park security. 911 dispatcher told the lady that the child was probably dead, but that officers would take a statement anyway.

Cindy says she has no faith in anybody except for God. (No faith in LE)

Detectives try to assuage her.  "We don't understand your frustration, but we feel for it".

"These little things. even though you believe them out to be not true.. there's answers in there somewhere from what she (Casey) is saying..."

Detectives want to rehash what was going over as of the 25th (June?).. around time when this supposed car accident in Tampa occurred. 

Casey told Cindy that the replacement car ZG got after the accident was a silver 2008 Ford Focus. Cindy said Casey was very specific.  27-30th, Casey said she was with Jeff Hopkins.

Cindy says Casey told her "after we got in the car" that she put a note on the car when she left it at Amscot, saying she would be back to get the car.

Zanny was there with Casey, Jeff and Caylee on the 28th.. they were all gonna spend the night at Jeff's hotel at the Hard Rock.

30th- Jennifer (ZG's roommate) was watching Caylee because Zanny couldn't.. Jennifer took Caylee to the park while Casey was working.  (Cindy was on vacation this whole week, and could have watched Caylee, she said).

"Casey started texting me a lot more in June and July"
"I don't know if it archives it or not" (Det.'s as if phone archived texts)

"I thought you had Casey's text messages".. she doesn't know why they need the messages off her own phone.

"Casey started texting me more because .. it seemed like she was having a hard time explaining things to me when I'd ask her about Caylee. She'd cut me off and be more short.."  (June and July)

Cindy went to Universal Studios (July 3rd) to try and pick up Caylee, but she wasn't there.. Talked with Casey on the 4th to find out if they could take Caylee to see the fireworks (Casey was supposedly in Jacksonville that day.. said she was there all week with Jeff. They were trying to work things out and be a family. She also told Cindy that Jeff was going to move back to Orlando, and they were going to move in together).

She told Cindy that she didn't have her car because Jeff took it to get fixed. It was on a weekend. Sunday morning.. that when she woke up, her car was missing.. that Jeff took it to get an oil change, the breaks done, etc..  on Monday she told Cindy that it took longer to get the car back because the gas sensor needed to be replaced.  So it needed to be in the shop. 

Jeff was going to pack his stuff and follow Casey home from Jacksonville on the 12th of July.  On the 13th,  Casey made the excuse that Jeff's mom was getting married, and that's why she couldn't come home.  She told Cindy that they picked up her car on the 10th.

to be continued.

They may look like the typical American family, but they arent'.  They are not nice people, they are not decent, they are not law abiding, they do not live within their means, to me the only area that they are typical in is that of greedy, cold hearted, deceitful & not for one second would I put anything past them when it comes to evil or purposeful in their vengence.

One of my concerns regarding OCSO giving them a pass on their totally unacceptable behavior.  When you read about how people in general give them empathy as they identify with them & question what they would do under similiar circumstances it just gives me great concern for I am capable of love but not looking away from the right thing to do if it involves someone I love, NO I am not capable of thinking that they deserve a pass or protection from their activities.  There are more than not people still, thank the Lord, that are decent, have integrity & honor, concern about their communities, their country, but this gang is not among them & obviously from what I read the numbers are growing of those like this gang in how they would handle offenses against man & God if those offenses are performed by THEIR loved ones.  The growing selfishness & sense of entitlement is overwhelming to my spirit & really just can not identify with that kind of warped mentality, as that is how it seems to me, the TWILIGHT ZONE.

Sorry, not in the values that became part of my soul.  To protect my own heart or image at the expense of innocent others is not acceptable, I would have to suffer & survive the pain & humiliation.

Yes there were many many complaints to Publix!  I was one of the complainers.

I do believe this is more collection for the Anthonys' than anything else.  Why are they collecting for searching for Caylee?  Not one of them search for Caylee.  They have tried to halt searches.  They want searches by anyone but theirselves and on their terms only!
The Anthonys' were selling those t-shirts online for $10 along with other items.  They need to cut the bull and stand up to their daughter!

It's a shame instead of complaining ... you didn't contact Kid Finders Network first to find out THEIR mission .....  Whether or not you disagree with my post ... did you speak with someone from Kid Finders Network?  I did!

Yep, you are right ... the Anthonys still have on their website that they are collecting for searchers ... and THEY are asking $10 for a shirt .... yadda yadda yadda ... Shame on them!

I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE I ASKED .... the dontation jar that is on the table DOES NOT GO TO THE ANTHONYS ... it goes to reprinting shirts and bracelets ...

IF you buy a tshirt off the Anthonys site it looks like they will "charge you for it"  SO DON'T BUY IT FROM THE ANTHONYS ... Kid Finder Network has NOTHING TO DO with what the Anthonys choose to do ...  Unfortunately this organization has run into a family that is CHOOSING to apparently exploit their good doing ... You can NOT fault Kid Finder Network for this!  Why punish this organization or the chances of someone noticing a poster of another missing child at ANY parking lot be missed because the Anthonys are taking advantage of people that are trying to help!

All I know is IF I were a parent of a missing child ... AND I PRAY TO GOD I NEVER AM ... I would want ANY volunteer sitting at a tent in 95 degree weather handing out whatever they had!  If they pulled their tent because the Anthony's are selling asking for a suggested donation for t-shirts on their website ... they would be doing CAYLEE a dis-service ... 
 
 

They are not LE ... they do not "receive" clues ... What is wrong with a group of mothers (people) handing out info that have Cayees missing picture on it???  IF they don't ask for donations to print these t-shirts, bracelets and fliers .... who might you suggest pay for it?  I took three t-shirts .... I PAID FOR THEM!  That is only fair!  These donations do not pay for the Anthonys groceries .... they pay to reprint t-shirts with Caylees photo on them!  They also pay for the billboards that have missing children on them.

http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/

I made a mess of moving this the right way sighhhhhhh

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Good Morning Monkeys...I was reading through last night's posts and noticed alot of questions about Cindy's brother Rick and whether or not he is the "real deal".  I was on topix the night he posted.  Many were giving him a hard time - but he and I engaged in convo and he answered questions that verified to me is IS RICK.  I did some sleuthing of Ohio records, Clerk of Courts, etc and found the name of a girl that I knew tied to his name in some filings.  (I'm in NE Ohio)

Then here, I saw photos of his wedding - the bride is that girl!  He is who he says he is.  I believe he stated his motive for coming forward was to let people know that, with the exception of Cindy, his family doesn't condone Casey's actions nor do they support her.   

It's a shame instead of complaining ... you didn't contact Kid Finders Network first to find out THEIR mission .....  Whether or not you disagree with my post ... did you speak with someone from Kid Finders Network?  I did!

Yep, you are right ... the Anthonys still have on their website that they are collecting for searchers ... and THEY are asking $10 for a shirt .... yadda yadda yadda ... Shame on them!

I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE I ASKED .... the dontation jar that is on the table DOES NOT GO TO THE ANTHONYS ... it goes to reprinting shirts and bracelets ...

IF you buy a tshirt off the Anthonys site it looks like they will "charge you for it"  SO DON'T BUY IT FROM THE ANTHONYS ... Kid Finder Network has NOTHING TO DO with what the Anthonys choose to do ...  Unfortunately this organization has run into a family that is CHOOSING to apparently exploit their good doing ... You can NOT fault Kid Finder Network for this!  Why punish this organization or the chances of someone noticing a poster of another missing child at ANY parking lot be missed because the Anthonys are taking advantage of people that are trying to help!

All I know is IF I were a parent of a missing child ... AND I PRAY TO GOD I NEVER AM ... I would want ANY volunteer sitting at a tent in 95 degree weather handing out whatever they had!  If they pulled their tent because the Anthony's are selling asking for a suggested donation for t-shirts on their website ... they would be doing CAYLEE a dis-service ... 
 
 

Because it's exploitation and interferes with LE. They are taking advantage of a crime for the personal gain of their organization in an especially tacky manner with the tent. I don't object to a billboard, that's neutral.

Maybe I can give you another example. I work with gentlemen who go after bigger criminals, those who want to kill large numbers of Americans. If I were to wear an Osama bin Laden t-shirt and ask for handouts to catch him that would be tacky and not serve in anyway to catch anyone.

Rob, I may be wrong but, that's not the way I understand discovery. I am under the impression that anything to be used during that particular trial must be released during the discovery phase, to afford both prosecutor & defense a chance to prepare for the trial. Evidence cannot be withheld and if it is, the judge can refuse to allow it during trial.

How much do you think a billboard costs ... How much do you think boxes (and yes there were boxes) of t-shirts cost to print?  TRUST ME that donation jar is not raking in millions ...
You are saying handing out t-shirts of a missing child is exploitation of this child well then I guess I am helping to exploit her by owning one .... and interfering with LE ???  yeah ... ok ...  GOD forbid I wear it ... I might cause LE to overlook something!   

Ya'll can have your opinions ... that's what we are here for ... But please don't compare a t-shirt with a photo of a missing 3 yr old to one with Osama Bin Laden on.... that's tacky!

There are some other things I have heard about them and at present, I am trying to verify. When I do, I will post it.

misses -
you are correct to an extent. When the Prosecutor / State's Attorney hands over the evidence to the defense it becomes public record. The Prosecutor and State's Attorney MUST HAND OVER ALL MATERIALS TO THE DEFENSE TO ALLOW A COMPETENT ATTORNEY TO ATTEMPT A PROPER DEFENSE. The State's Attorney and Prosecutor can not with-hold any material from the defense. The Defense is not required to make public what has been handed over.

However, the State's Attorney can release info / video / transcripts / time lines / and other matters associated with a case and they then become part of the chain of evidence made public. They are not only available to the defense, but to the public simultaneously. This has occurred IIRC.

Example - The Defense (Mr Baez) has all video transcripts of all jail house visits along with the copies of the actual video.

Those have not been made public because the Prosecutor and State's Attorney are clear in their wording that the tapes are evidence to be PRESENTED AT TRIAL and not before. So, even though Mr. Baez has been presented with all copies, the SA and Prosecutor have not released them to the public. Mr. Baez is privy to the discovery always. But, the general public is not if the info is deemed EVIDENCE. Again, Mr. Baez is under no obligation to release those videos.

This is to make sure a jury pool is not tainted by possible incriminating evidence beforehand.

There is one caveat - If the videos contain material relevant to one group of charges but not another, the SA and Prosecutor can with-hold that material.

Example - the videos disclose info about the "financial crimes" but have no info regarding the disappearance of Caylee, they could be released. Casey has not been charged with any crimes other than child neglect regarding Caylee (which in itself is directly related to the possible disappearance of Caylee). If the videos include info regarding both areas, the videos could be withheld. If the videos contain only info about the areas where Casey has not been charged, then they could be with-held from Mr Baez altogether. Mr Baez has indicated several times that he is ready for the main charges.

I hope that wasn't too confusing.

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I found a link to this law a few months ago and can't seem to find it now. Everything is coming up Florida State Football for some reason. :::..LOL..:::

That's how I remember reading it.. and I'm pretty sure this is correct, but I have been wrong in the past and could be again.

invision, kidfinders pulled out of the search for Caylee with TES. They were darn right rude from what I have heard, going so far as to remove any tents/equipment that they originally lent to TES. There are some other things I have heard about them and at present, I am trying to verify. When I do, I will post it. My personal opinion is that they are not everything they represent themselves to be and I believe eventually, this will be brought to the public's eye.

Great!  Glad to see someone is doing "real research" and not making off the wall comments such as "redneck" and "tacky" ... WHEN/IF this organization is proved to be other than what they say they are .... I will GLADLY eat humble pie ....

I made the trip like I said from PA to FLA to help search for Caylee ... and I did ... I searched with a woman that also helps at the tent .... She is NOT a friend of the Anthonys ... she is NOT an "owner" of Kid Finder Network ... she is a volunteer that is doing all she can to find a missing baby ... DEAD OR ALIVE ....  The group of people that I met at the tent are nothing more and nothing less ... CONCERNED people ...  as we all are .... Quite possible THEY are being exploited by KFN AND the Anthonys ... But until that is proven to me ... I will not bash nor be a part of bashing a group of individuals that are physically doing what they humanly can to help!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26931710/

'Help Find Caylee' Trust Fund Reopened

WESH.com
updated 2:45 p.m. PT, Sun., Sept. 28, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. - The attorney for the missing Caylee Anthony's grandparents said the "Help Find Caylee" trust fund account was reopened on Sunday. On Sunday afternoon, George and Cindy Anthony spoke with well-wishers and took donations at a Publix near their home. Last week, the bank administering the fund closed it down after receiving allegations of charity fraud. The state attorney's office confirmed it is reviewing those allegations. On Sunday, George Anthony told WESH 2 News that there has never been anything illegal about how the funds to help find Caylee have been used. The Anthonys' lawyer said he plans to release documents to prove that on Monday.

They may look like the typical American family, but they arent'.  They are not nice people, they are not decent, they are not law abiding, they do not live within their means, to me the only area that they are typical in is that of greedy, cold hearted, deceitful & not for one second would I put anything past them when it comes to evil or purposeful in their vengence.

One of my concerns regarding OCSO giving them a pass on their totally unacceptable behavior.  When you read about how people in general give them empathy as they identify with them & question what they would do under similiar circumstances it just gives me great concern for I am capable of love but not looking away from the right thing to do if it involves someone I love, NO I am not capable of thinking that they deserve a pass or protection from their activities.  There are more than not people still, thank the Lord, that are decent, have integrity & honor, concern about their communities, their country, but this gang is not among them & obviously from what I read the numbers are growing of those like this gang in how they would handle offenses against man & God if those offenses are performed by THEIR loved ones.  The growing selfishness & sense of entitlement is overwhelming to my spirit & really just can not identify with that kind of warped mentality, as that is how it seems to me, the TWILIGHT ZONE.

Sorry, not in the values that became part of my soul.  To protect my own heart or image at the expense of innocent others is not acceptable, I would have to suffer & survive the pain & humiliation.

misses -
you are correct to an extent. When the Prosecutor / State's Attorney hands over the evidence to the defense it becomes public record. The Prosecutor and State's Attorney MUST HAND OVER ALL MATERIALS TO THE DEFENSE TO ALLOW A COMPETENT ATTORNEY TO ATTEMPT A PROPER DEFENSE. The State's Attorney and Prosecutor can not with-hold any material from the defense. The Defense is not required to make public what has been handed over.

However, the State's Attorney can release info / video / transcripts / time lines / and other matters associated with a case and they then become part of the chain of evidence made public. They are not only available to the defense, but to the public simultaneously. This has occurred IIRC.

Example - The Defense (Mr Baez) has all video transcripts of all jail house visits along with the copies of the actual video.

Those have not been made public because the Prosecutor and State's Attorney are clear in their wording that the tapes are evidence to be PRESENTED AT TRIAL and not before. So, even though Mr. Baez has been presented with all copies, the SA and Prosecutor have not released them to the public. Mr. Baez is privy to the discovery always. But, the general public is not if the info is deemed EVIDENCE. Again, Mr. Baez is under no obligation to release those videos.

This is to make sure a jury pool is not tainted by possible incriminating evidence beforehand.

There is one caveat - If the videos contain material relevant to one group of charges but not another, the SA and Prosecutor can with-hold that material.

Example - the videos disclose info about the "financial crimes" but have no info regarding the disappearance of Caylee, they could be released. Casey has not been charged with any crimes other than child neglect regarding Caylee (which in itself is directly related to the possible disappearance of Caylee). If the videos include info regarding both areas, the videos could be withheld. If the videos contain only info about the areas where Casey has not been charged, then they could be with-held from Mr Baez altogether. Mr Baez has indicated several times that he is ready for the main charges.

I hope that wasn't too confusing.

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I found a link to this law a few months ago and can't seem to find it now. Everything is coming up Florida State Football for some reason. :::..LOL..:::

That's how I remember reading it.. and I'm pretty sure this is correct, but I have been wrong in the past and could be again.

I don't think it's anyone's intention to make you eat humble pie, but instead just suggesting you do your own homework.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

Interview with Cindy (part 1).. for me, it's the middle row, blue square directly in the middle. (Part two would be one over to the right from the middle).
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My recap:


part 2 continued:


On the 10th, Casey told Cindy that she got her car back and they were going to come home on the 12th. Cindy didn't "bug" her the whole day on the 11th.. so Casey called her around 8-9pm on the 12th to find out why Cindy didn't call.  Cindy said "what's the point. You said you were coming home tomorrow so why should I bug you".  Cindy said she purposely didn't call her because she was tired of getting excuses. 

All this week they were either on the boat, swimming, with Jeff at Target going shopping, Jeff's mom was watching Caylee and Jeff's son.. which is why Caylee was never with Casey.  "There was always a reason". 

14th of July- I talked to her but I have no idea what excuse she gave why they couldn't come home.

(11-registered letter delivered
13- while they were gardening.. noticed the note there.)

15th- George got registered letter from post office and called Cindy.  He picked up the car.  Cindy met him, stopped by the bank to get $500 out, took the title down..  The guy was with George when he opened the trunk.  Found trash bags with pizza box folded up in there and maggots in it.  George drove car home, she followed. They took car home- parked it in garage, opened everything up, and took the battery out of it- in case somebody came home to try to get the car. "I don't know.. anybody".   5:30-6pm (after work), "I didn't go through the car." She found Amy's number and Casey's purse in the front of the car. 

She went to pick up Amy.  They were going to meet somewhere, but Amy had to make a phone call. She called Cindy back and said Cindy could pick her up from the mall.  Amy directed her right to Tony's apartment (though Amy said she'd only been there one time).  Cindy not sure if Amy called Casey to warn her.  ("At the time, I didn't realize her roommates were JP and Ricardo"). 

(Cindy talking about somebody named Corey leaving a voice message about Casey staying at Ricardo's from 2nd to the 8th?)

Troy, Ricardo and Amy all had separate flights to Puerto Rico, all booked by Casey, from " our computer" months in advance. She never booked a flight for herself.

Det tells Cindy- Ricardo caught a layover flight at the airport.. was trying to coordinate flight with Amy.  Troy had something at work where he couldn't get to PR on the same day as the others.  (so all had explanations why they couldn't all leave together).  They all discussed plans to go to PR months before.

Casey supposedly picked the date, time, destination (according to Cindy).

Det says Lee gave him certain information- when he picked up computer from Tony's, it was wiped clean from the 15th back. Like it had "been crashed".  Those things would have been easily recovered if something hadn't been altered.

Cindy states from time she picked up Casey, her stuff stayed at Tony's apartment until Lee came to get it in middle of night.  The only stuff of Caylee's they found was in the back of the car...  the stuff George claims he saw the afternoon of June 16th- few clothes, couple diapers, a few wipes and hair clips. This is odd because her backpacks were usually full to the brim.  Casey would always pack a bag, but told Cindy that whoever was watching Caylee had clothes and stuff for her there.  (Cindy helped pack and unpack bag every day).

Clothes, laptop, receipts - what Lee brought back from Tony's apartment.  Cindy states detective there at the house didn't want to look at anything when Cindy asked about the stuff.  She claims she asked the detective if she could keep the cash in Casey's wallet. (Between $150-$200).  She had two purses- one in her work bag that was in the front seat of the car. Pair of pants in the back seat. Boots and shoes in the back as well.  Everything in the car.. "boots still in backseat of car. boots and shoes.. on the floor behind the driver's side. I didn't touch them". Says she took out the pants and washed them, but the detective didn't take them.  "Do you want to go through any of the stuff.. they said no. This stuff's all smokey, so I'm going to wash it".  Stuff was put away in Casey's drawers and closet".   "Everything kinda took the smell of the car. They  just had an odor".  Caylee's baby doll was sitting in the car seat.  "I washed all her clothes. Everybody said it was no big deal".  George told Cindy he didn't understand why they didn't take the clothes.

Det- the reason why we send someone out to pick stuff up (Gas cans) is because we like to photograph it in place, because if it ever becomes evidence. (Gas cans, slacks, etc)

"But it's been moved.. George has mowed the grass on different occasions. Lee mowed the grass since all of that.  And he's borrowed the gas can and the mower.. The gas cans have been moved since all of that."
 
July 19th- (garbled) somebody went through Casey's stuff. "There was only one person that I know that could have done that.  Jesse.  Jesse went on my computer to access his phone records. You have to walk by Casey's room to get to where our computer's at".  Jesse was in the house with Lee that day for their little investigation. Working on putting up fliers, etc.

(That day, Cindy picked up fliers at Staples at Colonial Plaza that they were getting free.  George made the arrangements.  She dropped them off at Publix.  When I got there I saw Annie.  She asked Annie to go with her to Staples so she could talk with her about what was going on.  It made me feel good to talk to one of Casey's friends.. talked about getting people together to figure out what Casey had been doing.  When she got home, Jesse and Lee were there.   Cindy told them of her plan of getting friends together to come up with a time line, see where Casey's head was at..  wanted to talk to Sean Daley about the tattoo.  Says Jesse volunteered about putting together the time line.  "I really want to participate". Cindy and Jesse talked for 2 hours.. says he gave her a play-by-play about what he had done.  "He contradicted himself several times.


to be continued...

From last thread:

Brandi wrote:
Has anyone determined where Casey was the night of June 15? (After the alleged fight between Cindy and Casey over Casey having stolen money from Cindy's father's bank account. And an alleged choking incident.)

Tony says Casey did not spend the night with him, Clint says she did spend the night at Tony's ...

Somehow I think this is important to the puzzle.
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I agree Brandi,is there a phone call list from June 15th somewhere?

misses -
you are correct to an extent. When the Prosecutor / State's Attorney hands over the evidence to the defense it becomes public record. The Prosecutor and State's Attorney MUST HAND OVER ALL MATERIALS TO THE DEFENSE TO ALLOW A COMPETENT ATTORNEY TO ATTEMPT A PROPER DEFENSE. The State's Attorney and Prosecutor can not with-hold any material from the defense. The Defense is not required to make public what has been handed over.

However, the State's Attorney can release info / video / transcripts / time lines / and other matters associated with a case and they then become part of the chain of evidence made public. They are not only available to the defense, but to the public simultaneously. This has occurred IIRC.

Example - The Defense (Mr Baez) has all video transcripts of all jail house visits along with the copies of the actual video.

Those have not been made public because the Prosecutor and State's Attorney are clear in their wording that the tapes are evidence to be PRESENTED AT TRIAL and not before. So, even though Mr. Baez has been presented with all copies, the SA and Prosecutor have not released them to the public. Mr. Baez is privy to the discovery always. But, the general public is not if the info is deemed EVIDENCE. Again, Mr. Baez is under no obligation to release those videos.

This is to make sure a jury pool is not tainted by possible incriminating evidence beforehand.

There is one caveat - If the videos contain material relevant to one group of charges but not another, the SA and Prosecutor can with-hold that material.

Example - the videos disclose info about the "financial crimes" but have no info regarding the disappearance of Caylee, they could be released. Casey has not been charged with any crimes other than child neglect regarding Caylee (which in itself is directly related to the possible disappearance of Caylee). If the videos include info regarding both areas, the videos could be withheld. If the videos contain only info about the areas where Casey has not been charged, then they could be with-held from Mr Baez altogether. Mr Baez has indicated several times that he is ready for the main charges.

I hope that wasn't too confusing.

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I found a link to this law a few months ago and can't seem to find it now. Everything is coming up Florida State Football for some reason. :::..LOL..:::

That's how I remember reading it.. and I'm pretty sure this is correct, but I have been wrong in the past and could be again.

Hmmm
I would love to see the rcpts from Cindy's  credit cards that Casey had.   Were any childrens items purchased with them ?

invision, what made you go all the way from PA to FLA to search? That's quite a committment! Does TES accept search volunteers? How did you choose who to search with? Just curious and fascinated.

Altruist posted this link on the last thread. This is an unheard 1 hour interview with Cindy Anthony. You really MUST listen to this. Lots of info I never knew or heard before.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

On the lower left side are a bunch of blue boxes that say UstreamTV. Second row down, 4th box from left is the interview. Just click on that box

Invision, i do not think anyone here would fault you or the mothers at that tent for having good intentions. I'm sure those women do believe they are suffering for a purpose. I understand that you were there and that you donated money in exchange for shirts. What you need to understand is that ANY organization that has ties to the Anthony family is going to be under suspicion & KFN was discussed on the last thread by some long time monkeys. Unless you are privvy to kidfinders financial information you cannot know what is going on behind the scenes. I, myself would not donate anything to anyone unless it is Tim Miller & TES. Things are not always as they seem as we have all found out. ::MonkeyWink::

Hmmm
I would love to see the rcpts from Cindy's  credit cards that Casey had.   Were any childrens items purchased with them ?

So did you talk him into a special guest appearance?

invision, kidfinders pulled out of the search for Caylee with TES. They were darn right rude from what I have heard, going so far as to remove any tents/equipment that they originally lent to TES. There are some other things I have heard about them and at present, I am trying to verify. When I do, I will post it. My personal opinion is that they are not everything they represent themselves to be and I believe eventually, this will be brought to the public's eye.

anothermonkey -. from your transcript / overview a few pages back. I didn't include it to save bandwidth, but lemme ask everyone this -

if Cindy had seen and smelled the evidence that a child was dead and NOT her child or her daughter's child... would she draw the same conclusions?

Would she question that LE regarding the evidence? Would she say she doesn't trust the LE?

We have heard in the past from people / suspects / accused that they too do not trust the LE. Joran Van Der Sloot springs right to the front of my mind. When someone says they do not trust the LE, would they trust the LE to make a competent judgment on a case or evidence if the situation did not involve them and they were the victim?

Oh trust me jj ... I've been doing my homework ... I am grateful that MrsKub (whom I have an insurmountable amount of respect for!) is looking into the posibliity of a fraudulant organization .... I was giving her kudos for doing that!  Trust me ... I am as educated in this case as I can be at this point ...  I am also educated enough to know not to compare a missing child to a terrorist!

I agree 100% Rob ... what would her reason be to NOT trust LE .... (Unless George was a dirty cop in Ohio and they knew the "behind the scenes")   ::MonkeyTongue::  J/K kinda ...

MrsKub:  Mcandles was the name that had been mentioned as being used for a fictional character by the skank, that last name is the same as the PR Director of the Kid Finders Network coinicidently.

Yes , it look's  like Tony's house
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Documents/tony.jpg)

anothermonkey -. from your transcript / overview a few pages back. I didn't include it to save bandwidth, but lemme ask everyone this -

if Cindy had seen and smelled the evidence that a child was dead and NOT her child or her daughter's child... would she draw the same conclusions?

Would she question that LE regarding the evidence? Would she say she doesn't trust the LE?

We have heard in the past from people / suspects / accused that they too do not trust the LE. Joran Van Der Sloot springs right to the front of my mind. When someone says they do not trust the LE, would they trust the LE to make a competent judgment on a case or evidence if the situation did not involve them and they were the victim?

My last post was in quotes, but it's actually part 2 of my recap.. (I wasn't quoting myself)   please pardon any typos.  ::MonkeyWaa::

I noticed that Rick (ciny's brother) said in one of his posts that the reason George left LE would come out in this trial.  Wonder what it could be

Helping Heroes has been working in collaboration with Kid Finders Network and Never Lose Hope in an effort to bring Caylee Anthony home.

Despite what the authorities, the media, and the annoying protesters want to believe about her mother's [Casey Anthony] participation in Caylee's disappearance one thing hasn't changed, there is still a beautiful three-year old little girl missing and away from her family.

Our agenda is clear, Help Find Caylee and bring her home. She is the innocent one in all of this and we must focus on keeping her face out there and following up on all leads, no matter what. To see some of our questions and blogs follow the links below. In the meantime, join our efforts and help spread the word "Help Find Caylee."

We believe that Caylee is still alive and has been taken out of the country, the more we get the flyer out to the public the better chance we can find her, so we ask you to put your feelings aside and help make a difference one child at a time!

LINKS

In my opinion ... I donated the cost of replenishing the t-shirts and bracelets that I "bought" ... which is all they suggested that I do ...

My last post was in quotes, but it's actually part 2 of my recap.. (I wasn't quoting myself)   please pardon any typos.  ::MonkeyWaa::

MrsKub:  Mcandles was the name that had been mentioned as being used for a fictional character by the skank, that last name is the same as the PR Director of the Kid Finders Network coinicidently.

Blonde started a Rick thread, maybe we can come up with some questions for him.

OK. I think I get it now. Both parties have the videos. They are part of the discovery just not released to the public.

I know, that's what I said   ::MonkeyWink::

Yes , it look's  like Tony's house
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Documents/tony.jpg)

My last post was in quotes, but it's actually part 2 of my recap.. (I wasn't quoting myself)   please pardon any typos.  ::MonkeyWaa::

The entire OJ trial was based on this.
Criminals take the opposition of LE, simple fact.
For George it must be a struggle to be a former cop and going against that brotherhood.

Putting this perspective to the test when reading transcripts makes it clear where everyone stands.
In escalated cases, this turns into anti-government behavior and murder and violence is increased. Good to know when anarchy breaks out.

IF Casey was really at the house on the 24th as George has stated and the morning of the 16th as George has stated ... LE would also be able to confirm that by Casey's cell phone pings as well ... right?

Can someone post the pool picture (Easter) so we can look at it better????  I woke up with a really really sore throat so I will stay way over here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so you all will not get sick!!!!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-bart/caylee-anthony-updates-li_b_127156.html

Shouldn't someone associated with KidFinders remain neutral when it comes to a missing child?Lisa

Always hon, if you want to bring over a picture that someone else posted here on this site.
go to the picture hit quote and you will see their link ,just copy it and paste it ,to your post.

Is this the one you want
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/ht_6mompic_080905_ssh.jpg)

invision, this ping map shows a call from the Anthony home at 2:48pm. I did not do this map and cannot vouch for accuracy.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1699211/6-24CellPings

That's interesting, Altruist. Would you by any chance remember where you saw this connection or have a link. I'd like to look into that. It may just explain a few things.

Now that HH said Caylee died in the pool, that picture haunts me.  I wonder how tall that pool is.  I wish we could see the other side of it.  See the bamboo that Casey was supposed to have dug up?????

Yes, thankyou Blonde - you rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually the night that posters in chat were discussing the GF of LA her first name was spelled differently, it was mentioned as being different spelling of Mallori.  Don't know if this will be helpful to Mrs. Krub in her research efforts, but thought I should mention it.

Alturist - very interesting question. For every action there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

I'd also like to know why George felt it was necessary to "clue" the cops into his e-z pass info / activity. What would they find there?

My belief is that George disposed of Caylee - Casey can not be on the computer on Myspace or Facebook and having the confrontation with George about the gas cans at the same time. - 12:30 to 12:50 pm 6/24/2008.

The killer of Latoya Figeroa was caught because he REVISTED the location of the body in an attempt to move it. Is that why George's e-z pass activity was offered up? In a sense George knows that the activity will be checked - so, George offers it up in an attempt to BE STRAIGHT WITH YOU GUYS. Follow me?

Did George revisit the scene to see if anyone was looking in that area he placed the body? This chase (according to George) seem to have taken place well after the possible disposal of Caylee. Sometimes people can just not help themselves and are caught precisely in this manner.

Here's another point - the car already had a very unappealing odor on 6-24-2008. Casey did not want George in the trunk. (I believe this is a lot of hooey, but an attempt to explain why he was in the trunk).. Are we to believe that AFTER George removed the cans  (and he didn't smell anything) that Casey just drove away in the car again only to ditch it 3 days later? It makes no sense.

If George disposes of Caylee on 6-24-2008 and THEN ATTEMPTS TO CLEAN THE SMELL OUT - MAYBE CASEY DOES DRIVE THE CAR AGAIN. The odor could be masked, but comes back after a short time.

Something does not fit here.

I really do NOT understand the "redneck comment" the "shame or dignity" comment either .... I visited this tent when it was at the Publix at Chickasaw and Curry Ford Road last week ... (yes apparently it has been moved, I would assume per complaints)

Has anyone checked out this "tent" or WHO runs it???  Well I have .... PERSONALLY ... From Pennsylvania to Florida .... and YES, I have made a voluntary DONATION at this tent ....

This tent is run by a group of VOLUNTEERS for Kid Finder Network .... DONATING their time to bring awareness to Missing Children .... Not just Caylee Anthony .... This is NOT "Georges tent" .... yes he shows up occasionally to make it look like he is "actively looking for Caylee" but these people are kind hearted individuals that are donating their time to sit at a table and hand out items (they are NOT personal friends of the Anthonys I HAVE ASKED THEM!) ... t-shirts (for free) gummy bracelets (for free) ... cd's with photos of Caylee on (for free) fliers (for free) and only SUGGEST (not require) A DONATION .... which I GLADLY gave to KID FINDER NETWORK to help with the cost to replenish the items I took .....

There was posters there of MANY MISSING CHILDREN ... and I DO NOT consider these kind hearted people that are sitting there getting the word out to be shameful or redneck!!!!

ORLANDO -- A local group is stepping up and offering to help in the search for Caylee Anthony, 2.

The Kid Finders Network helps Florida families find missing children.

They're hoping the Anthony family will agree to let them help in the search for the missing girl.

The Kid Finders Network is a non-profit organization that uses donations from the community to fund their work.

"I've had families who have mortgaged their house two and three and four times just to keep printing flyers and keep giving out T-shirts and to keep putting on events to keep their kid's names in the forefront,” said Malori Milstead from the Kid Finders Network. “Because that's always going to be your child and as long as their missing, it's always going to hurt."

If you would like to get in touch with the network, call (877) 663-5678.

are you sure (not) they're friends????

I jacked that up twice.  Are you sure they're NOT friends is what I tried to say twice.....

Has it been confirmed that this is Lee's gf Mallory? 

I do not think that it is the same Mallory.  The spelling is different, and Mallory is a common name...I know atleast 6 from HS and college.

Actually the night that posters in chat were discussing the GF of LA her first name was spelled differently, it was mentioned as being different spelling of Mallori.  Don't know if this will be helpful to Mrs. Krub in her research efforts, but thought I should mention it.

Yes, thankyou Blonde - you rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lee's girlfriend is Mallory Parker.  I saw her name come up once before.

CindyCindy said they're doing Caylee an injustice by not doing time line sooner and focusing on Casey.[/b]

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...[/u]

Lee's girlfriend is Mallory Parker.  I saw her name come up once before.

Has it been confirmed that this is Lee's gf Mallory? 

Wow... what is with the way that Casey is standing in that picture, with both toes pointing inward like that... it looks painful to me...

I just assumed that may be the best method for keeping her legs together.

Mrskub, I love the way you think, what do you see when you look at the pool picture???????

Seems someone deleted a lot of stuff about this particular Malori.  I find stuff on google but it's been deleted when you go to the link.
People Search Directory - Find People Milstead, Jodi - Milstead ...
milstead, john 54 Boca Raton, FL Delray Beach, FL Boynton Beach, FL • milstead, john 52 Villa Park, CA ...... milstead, malori 21 Loxahatchee, FL ...
www.reunion.com/people-search-directory/L3/254040 - Similar pages

Good morning Monkeys!

I have been reading the last few pages of posts and I feel I should make a comment about KidFinders.  Michelle Bart (Helping Heroes) works in collaboration with KidFinders and Never Lose Hope foundation.  She has made it her personal mission to become the Anthony family's unofficial "spokesperson".  To me that signals a conflict of interest and KidFinders should really pull the plug on their relationship with the Anthony's if they want remain credible.

Lisa

Always, I just don't think the pool was involved. If it was, I don't feel it was accidental. No one lies to the extent that Casey has to cover up an accident. The cover up story about Zenaida started long before Caylee disappeared. The wheels were set in motion. I believe it was planned. How she died, I don't know. I wish to heavens I did.

My freudian slip!  Should have read NOT

But HH said her friend is LE and he told her that?????????

He told her that was his theory. Nothing has been proven as fact yet.

I think Lee's GF's name is Mallory Parker. I believe I got that off Facebook after she randomly selected me as her friend. LOL!

I agree with you 100%. When this is all over, I think Kidfinders will have suffered insurmountable damage.

here's a document that says they have a daughter, Malori (now, it may not be Lee's girlfriend, I'm just posting what I found)

http://courtcon1.co.palm-beach.fl.us/pls/jiwp/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_docket_report?backto=P&case_id=501999CA001958XXANAF&begin_date=&end_date=
Docket Text:    (NOTICE OF FILING/SERVING INTERROGATORIES) BY DEFT ELIZABETH G PRESTON OF WILLIAM MILSTEAD & SHERRI MILSTEAD AS PARENTS & GUARDIANS OF MALORI MILSTEAD

Always, I just don't think the pool was involved. If it was, I don't feel it was accidental. No one lies to the extent that Casey has to cover up an accident. The cover up story about Zenaida started long before Caylee disappeared. The wheels were set in motion. I believe it was planned. How she died, I don't know. I wish to heavens I did.

Ok.. thank God that's over  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I tried to get as much I could.. listening to things over and over to get it as best I could.  :)

Ok.. thank God that's over  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I tried to get as much I could.. listening to things over and over to get it as best I could.  :)

Cindy- The only thing that I threw in the wash was her pants. No other clothes in there.   Everything else i gave to the... There was one thing missing that I had in a bag and I made mention of that... Casey had a lanyard (this was in her work bag- there was no clothing bag)

GAVE TO WHO / WHOM????

That's a very important question and she zooms right by it... WOW!

Ok.. thank God that's over  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I tried to get as much I could.. listening to things over and over to get it as best I could.  :)

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

Interview with Cindy (part 1).. for me, it's the middle row, blue square directly in the middle. (Part two would be one over to the right from the middle).
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My recap:



part 2 continued:

June 19-

(sorry.. she said Sean Daley's friend gave Casey a tattoo).


talking with Jesse.. they talked for almost 2 hours.. he gave her a play-by-play and she wrote down a lot of stuff. To the point where he contradicted himself several times. He said he had an 18 min conversation on the 27th. Casey called to cheer him up about losing his job at OPD- but he told everybody that he quit. He said he asked Casey where Caylee was, and that Casey told him Caylee was with the nanny, at the beach. When Cindy asked if he heard Caylee, he said absolutely not- he was adamant he did not hear Caylee in the background.  On Sunday or Monday Jesse called George, and Jesse wanted to talk to Cindy.. (Cindy was busy, so he told George)  "I made a mistake on the day. It wasn't the 27th. I checked my phone records. It was actually the 24th.. That's the day I heard Casey tell Caylee to get down off the table."

When George told Cindy that, Cindy was concerned about the conversation- that now he's saying he heard Caylee on the 24th.. in a 13 min. conversation, not an 18 minute conversation.  Cindy's questioning why he was adamant on the 27th that Caylee was at the beach and that he never heard Casey talk to Caylee.. Cindy started getting suspicious. She thought it was weird.  (This would be around the same time Casey would have been at the hospital with Zanny- Detective chimed in, asking if Jesse ever mentioned that Casey was there (No).. so he said then Casey would have been telling "the baby to get off the table in the hospital".  Cindy didn't have much of a response).

"The other thing that I found very strange..."
19th- after talking with Annie about starting a time line, Cindy said she shot Jesse down about being in charge of it (She wanted to be in charge of it herself). Jesse immediately went outside through the screened porch, clear out to the back yard and got on the phone.  Cindy wanted George to go outside and  (spy?) go get something on the patio . As soon as George went outside, Jesse got off the phone and came into the screened porch and talked with George. "It was odd that he had to leave and go talk to someone"

Det. asked if Jesse was on the phone with Lee.  He didn't call Lee, cuz Lee was in the dining room and not on the phone.

Annie told Cindy that Jesse was (unavailable) - supposedly in Georgia from the 21st of July, onward (to help his brother locate an apartment or something). Jesse made a point to go to Annie and Melina? (another friend of Casey- "interesting person Det.'s should talk to". "She and Casey hung out a lot while Jesse and Casey were engaged, after Caylee was born. Melina and her fiance hung out with Jesse and Casey. They were coules going out".  Jesse was in with Melina's boyfriend for a while, when Casey and Melina broke up with the guys..  around the same time.  The guys were roommates for a while.  Jesse was reaching out to Annie and Melina to find out what everybody was saying. "I mean really reaching out". 

"Jesse also accused us of turning his name into police. He wanted to know why they gave his name into police. I said I didn't give your name to authorities. They took her phone from me. They just down the list and just started calling everybody".

Det. asking about Lauren Gibbs- one of Casey's best friends who used to babysit Caylee.   Another Lauren "that interviewed Amy and Ricardo to Casey about a year ago".

"Annie can tell you the exact day that Casey said Caylee's dad was killed in a car crash".
 "I remember getting a phone call too. Either for Caylee's birthday or somebody's birthday. Annie knows the exact date so she can tell you when."


Det's saying "That's a lot of information"

Now talking to her about Cindy's frustrations-
"We're bringing in some more people to get a fresh look at some of this stuff.... The media has tainted  this thing... Nancy Grace is some of this stuff that's out there.. People are watching. You're gonna have to bear with some of that... People have preconceived notions.. Nobody wants to see your granddaughter back home with you more then we do."



to be continued...

I just listened to what is labled part 2 of Cindy's interview.Lord have mercy this woman sounds just like an older version of Caseface.....lying and derailing up a storm!
I can't find part 1 and there are 2 audios labled part 2.....which one is number one.My head is already hurting from listening to Cindyface....may as well do myself in for the day. ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm glad I could be of help, to those who weren't able to hear it themselves.  I tried to get as much word-for-word as I could.. in some cases, it was hard- partly because LE and Cindy were talking at the same time and I just couldn't keep up, much less understand every word in those instances.  Or at times the speech was low or garbled.  In any case, it does follow very well with the audio, IMO.


I just don't know what to think about a lot of what she was saying..   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just listened to what is labled part 2 of Cindy's interview.Lord have mercy this woman sounds just like an older version of Caseface.....lying and derailing up a storm!
I can't find part 1 and there are 2 audios labled part 2.....which one is number one.My head is already hurting from listening to Cindyface....may as well do myself in for the day. ::MonkeyConfused::

I just listened to what is labled part 2 of Cindy's interview.Lord have mercy this woman sounds just like an older version of Caseface.....lying and derailing up a storm!
I can't find part 1 and there are 2 audios labled part 2.....which one is number one.My head is already hurting from listening to Cindyface....may as well do myself in for the day. ::MonkeyConfused::

Ok.. thank God that's over  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I tried to get as much I could.. listening to things over and over to get it as best I could.  :)

Just found a great breakdown of the cell phone calls for the 15th and 16th of June. Each call lists who the call was to/from.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

There is no way that Casey spent the night of the 15th with Tony. She started calling him, non-stop from about 7pm on the 15th through 1pm the 16th. Check this out.

Just found a great breakdown of the cell phone calls for the 15th and 16th of June. Each call lists who the call was to/from.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

There is no way that Casey spent the night of the 15th with Tony. She started calling him, non-stop from about 7pm on the 15th through 1pm the 16th. Check this out.

That was awesome. Great job another!

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/smileys/glitter-you-rock.gif)

Grande put that together, he does great work.  He's admin at HelpFindTheMissing now but used to post here at SM.  If he's reading I'd like to say Hi GRANDE!

I have to congratulate him. That was a ton of work and he did an excellent job. Makes it so easy to see where she was with the lats and longs as well as the caller/recipient.

Ok.. thank God that's over  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I tried to get as much I could.. listening to things over and over to get it as best I could.  :)

Just found a great breakdown of the cell phone calls for the 15th and 16th of June. Each call lists who the call was to/from.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

There is no way that Casey spent the night of the 15th with Tony. She started calling him, non-stop from about 7pm on the 15th through 1pm the 16th. Check this out.

Now I have asked this question of at least Rob before but am going to try this again, please free to offer your opinion:

How would we have seen this presented if the car was never an issue & it was presented as a kidnapping with all of the information given by KC to OCSO being unverifiable?????????????????

Ok.. thank God that's over  ::MonkeyLaugh::  I tried to get as much I could.. listening to things over and over to get it as best I could.  :)

Yes , it look's  like Tony's house
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Casey%20Anthony/Documents/tony.jpg)

LOL...thank you AnotherMonkey.You have a much stronger stomach than I do to get thru all of that.
I thought Cindy was saying she took the ice chest out of Casey's car.....I could have just heard wrong.Also....were they talking about the white Shamrock hat being missing or beads?I thought it was the hat....the one the garbage lady found in the Anthony's garbage....Annie's hat?

Klaas...may I ask a huge favor of you...please.

I feel out of touch with the other Halloween Monkyes...since you found and gave me my AVI in the first place...do you think you could stick a pumpkin or something on top of my switchboard...sigh...I'm starting to feel a little like my old self these days....I want to feel part of the Holiday Spirit too.....TIA...Des

Pardon me for my ignorance. 

Outgoing means that is the person that called and incoming means that is the person who the call is to?  Why would both numbers be the same?  Where did all these calls come from?  I thought LE gave us the documented times from the phone company.  Why are there more now?

    ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Just found a great breakdown of the cell phone calls for the 15th and 16th of June. Each call lists who the call was to/from.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

There is no way that Casey spent the night of the 15th with Tony. She started calling him, non-stop from about 7pm on the 15th through 1pm the 16th. Check this out.

I'm glad I could be of help, to those who weren't able to hear it themselves.  I tried to get as much word-for-word as I could.. in some cases, it was hard- partly because LE and Cindy were talking at the same time and I just couldn't keep up, much less understand every word in those instances.  Or at times the speech was low or garbled.  In any case, it does follow very well with the audio, IMO.


I just don't know what to think about a lot of what she was saying..   ::MonkeyNoNo::

LOL...thank you AnotherMonkey.You have a much stronger stomach than I do to get thru all of that.
I thought Cindy was saying she took the ice chest out of Casey's car.....I could have just heard wrong.Also....were they talking about the white Shamrock hat being missing or beads?I thought it was the hat....the one the garbage lady found in the Anthony's garbage....Annie's hat?

Just found a great breakdown of the cell phone calls for the 15th and 16th of June. Each call lists who the call was to/from.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

There is no way that Casey spent the night of the 15th with Tony. She started calling him, non-stop from about 7pm on the 15th through 1pm the 16th. Check this out.

Did Casey spend the night of June 15th at your apartment?

Thank you.

Janet

I think when the deputy came to get the phone he had no idea what was going it wasnt until he came back did he realize the importance of the situation. See the thing with clint is hes a liar as well thats the problem he went on greta gave false info bout things he was kicked out of my apartment the 2nd to last week of june he was never a roommate he was a the guy on the couch cuz he got kicked out of his other appartments for not paying rent or other stupid shit and i always took him in and didnt have him pay a dime and that went on from october till june. Where i just couldnt anymore of him and my roommate Cam hated him. She didnt stay the 15th i have proof from phone records so do the police. They can ping your cell phone so they know she was at home the night of the 15th. just so you guys know where clints head is at. Is when this all happend the first thing he said to me was your gonnna get famous off of this you know that right. And he told me that he wasnt gonna go on the news out of respect for me and for caylee and then he did it. his explanation was they were bothering him which is bull cuz noone ever tried contacting him police media etc..why?? cuz his very little info that he knows is the same as mine nates cams we just were around more. he's doing what he did to be apart of this so he can show off.

I am not sure we would even know Caylee's name.
If Cindy had given Casey "one more day" I think she would have done ANYTHING to get her butt to California to mooch off of M Hawkins--if she had one more day, I think she wouldve stolen anyone's credit card and booked herself on the first flight out...totally speculating here!

Just found a great breakdown of the cell phone calls for the 15th and 16th of June. Each call lists who the call was to/from.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

There is no way that Casey spent the night of the 15th with Tony. She started calling him, non-stop from about 7pm on the 15th through 1pm the 16th. Check this out.

There are two different audios at that link.  I did a recap on audio one (which I called part 1) and then a recap on audio two (which I called part 2).  There are 2-3 posts  I made which were all of the part 2 audio.  I hope that makes sense.  :)   I just left the same info on the top of each of the posts, so you could access the link to hear it for yourself and follow along or whatever..

Well I should have been more specific, If the initial presentation was the Jay Blanchard Park kidnapping scenario with all of the ZFG, sister information coming back as unverifiable to OCSO.  With NO CAR, with NO DECOMP.   

You know the nice middle class hs grad taking courses one at a time at a local community college getting taken in by criminals, after all she is religious & hard working & deserved to be mother of the year.  Believe me, we were always going to hear this story, but it was supposed to be completely veiled & make a certain group of con artists very wealthy & solve all their problems, imo.

mrskub ... I am having difficulty comprehending this printout.

Where are Casey's calls originating from on the evening of June 15th?

Thank you.

Janet

Now I have asked this question of at least Rob before but am going to try this again, please free to offer your opinion:

How would we have seen this presented if the car was never an issue & it was presented as a kidnapping with all of the information given by KC to OCSO being unverifiable?????????????????

Janet, you would have to plot the latitudes and longitudes that are on the sheet to see the location they originated from. Let me see if I can find a map already done for you.

If you look at this print out, the first column is the date. Second column is the time of the call. Skip 3rd & 4th column (those are the lats and longs)5th and 6th column tells you who she called or who called her by phone number and last column tells you the name of the person who called or who she called.

SURE!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Re: Casey buying her friends plane tickets to PR.  I'm trying to figure out why she never bought herself a ticket?

Because she knew she couldn't go? (Obviously money wasn't a factor for her- it seems she used her mom's cc to pay for the other tickets.. why not get one for herself at the same time)?

Maybe she didn't buy herself a ticket so she could later say " my friend stole the cc#" (although she was dumb enough to use the home computer).

Maybe she was buying their friendship.. and at the same time, getting them out of town so she could do her dirty work... so she could further steal from them (like she did with Amy). 

Any thoughts? 

Just found a great breakdown of the cell phone calls for the 15th and 16th of June. Each call lists who the call was to/from.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

There is no way that Casey spent the night of the 15th with Tony. She started calling him, non-stop from about 7pm on the 15th through 1pm the 16th. Check this out.

My recommendation is to go to that post that you just quoted & click on "anothermonkeys" screen name to the left of the post which will bring you to her profile & then at the near to bottom left hand side click on the show the last of this members posts.  You will then see them in the order that she posted them after she had listened, last to first.  So if you want it in order you have to go to the first of the four I believe she posted.  I copied them into a word processing document from the last to the first always copying the subsequent at the top of the page so that I have them in the correct order.  Hope that makes sense & works for you.

Karma, don't worry. Part 1 is just a short clip of part 2. No need to even listen to it. You heard everything in part 2.

Here is a link that I found on topix that lists out where each of the calls originated from....

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/wood/TQE22GI1BENACI97T/p49

Thank you MrsK.
I know part 2 was over an hour long,was hoping part 1 was short and it is.

Now I have asked this question of at least Rob before but am going to try this again, please free to offer your opinion:

How would we have seen this presented if the car was never an issue & it was presented as a kidnapping with all of the information given by KC to OCSO being unverifiable?????????????????

Altruist - no doubt the car complicates everything for Casey. But in order for her to murder her daughter and get away with it she needs the use of a vehicle to dispose of the body. Unless, she is at the scene of the crime and the body drops where the crime was committed.

I believe the entire scheme is able to be unraveled regardless of her using her car or not. Her cell records, text records, facebook and everything else would have revealed her true intent. This is no longer the era of the "fingerprint". So much more goes into it all and Casey did not take those areas into consideration. She may not have even known they existed. I do understand she is a fan of the show CSI, so maybe she did know, but acted on impulse.

While planning the murder and disappearance of Caylee, Casey is not in kill and cover mode all the time. When she is just being "Casey" and not Killer Casey there is a distinct difference between the two personalities. That's not to say that she is a multi-personality. But, more like a person who is doing her job vs. a person being themselves with friends and family. You certainly don't tell anyone you are planning on killing your child. So, you do that behind closed doors.

Killer Casey's job in a sense was to get rid of Caylee and blame someone else. Then she reverts back to Casey Marie Anthony. Those two personalities clash while searching the web for clues how to accomplish her dastardly goals. One personality is talking with friends on facebook, the others is searching for info on chloroform and missing children. These "two" personalities would have a lot of explaining to do. There are no logical reasons why she would be looking for info on missing children and chloroform and then suddenly has a missing child herself. And then add in the US Search info on Zenaida along with the reunion dot com, and you have the makings of someone attempting to "disappear" a child, all she needed was her airtight scapegoat... well, at least in her mind it COULD BE airtight.

I think in order for the case to have ever moved beyond Killer Casey and to Zenaida or another victim of Killer Casey's imagination, Killer Casey would have had to pass a polygraph and would have had her computer and time-lines checked and re-checked. I doubt she would have ever passed those tests.

In light of all that, there may have always been the cloud of uncertainty hanging over whether or not Caylee was alive and sold to someone unknown. Therefore, a murder charge would probably never be a consideration. Without the forensics in the car revealing a dead body, chloroform, hair with a black ring around the folicle and "stains" this case would have been hard, if not impossible, to prove murder. All of the searching and scapegoating would probably not be enough to convince a jury, without forensics, that Caylee was dead and Killer Casey did it. A good defense attorney would have made that all very clear.

Like I said before, most young killers make mistakes due to inexperience and inability to think of the "unplanned" that occur when committing a crime. Such as; the killer did not take into consideration that an unforeseen / unknown witness has spotted them - (The gardener in the Natalee case)...or the killer did not remember to turn off his or her cell phone and was triangulated to an area of interest during a critical moment in time where the story does not match.

I don't think Killer Casey thought it all through - and that is why she will be charged with voluntary murder. Her plan was to kill her daughter and she may have gotten away with it had she waited for the right time instead of acting on her rage that was caused by her mother's choking episode. I have no doubt she did plan to kill Caylee.

 - jmo -

thanks for asking Altruist.

Karma...that was a question on my mind too...an ice chest in the car...for those HOT summer days that Caylee was in the car....and...I still think that George is up to his eyeballs in the whole mess....Des...

I read somewhere that Cindy went away on her own for a few days at the end of June.  Could somebody please confirms or refute this?

If Cindy did go on vacation ... could the vacation have included the days between June 24th and June 27th ... the days when Caylee's remains were moved from the area near the playhouse where a depression was detected ... an area where two dogs hit on ... the days that Casey was driving her green truck.

Think about the first 911 call ... maybe Cindy was not referring to Casey's impounded vehicle.

Janet
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Transcript of First 911 Call Made by Cindy Anthony 
Last Edited: Friday, 25 Jul 2008, 1:06 PM EDT 
Created: Friday, 25 Jul 2008, 1:06 PM EDT

Cindy Anthony: I have a 22-year-old person that has um grand theft sitting in my auto with me.

Operator: So the 22-year-old person stole something?

Cindy Anthony: Yes

Operator: Is this a relative?

Cindy Anthony: Yes

Operator: Where did they steal it from?

Cindy Anthony: Um, my car and also money

Operator: OK. Is this your son?

Cindy Anthony: Daughter

Operator: OK, so your daughter stole money from your car?

Cindy Anthony: No. My car was stolen.  We've retrived it, today we found out where it was at. We've retrieved it, I've got that. And I've got affidavits from my banking account. I want to bring her in. I want to press charges.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=C40DBDCF8FD80F6132645A29EF7E1A10?contentId=7065515&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1


Hundreds of legal documents in Casey Anthony case released
Amy L. Edwards, Sarah Lundy and Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
6:37 PM EDT, September 26, 2008
George Anthony chased Casey in desperation

Desperate to his find his daughter, George Anthony described how he chased Casey Anthony on State Road 408 in late June -- more than two weeks before Caylee was reported missing to authorities. He said he was tired of her "evasiveness."

"I saw her leaving [the house] in my wife's vehicle," George Anthony said in an Aug. 4 interview with cops. "I saw her driving up Chickasaw and getting on the 408 ... I'm tired of this."

He couldn't remember what day it was and suggested investigators check his E-pass records.

"My daughter was driving fast as she could," he said. "I think she knew I was behind her . . . I was trying to stay a reasonable distance, maybe a 100 yards away from her."

He followed her to Hiawassee and Kirkman roads but lost her.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

Re: Casey buying her friends plane tickets to PR.  I'm trying to figure out why she never bought herself a ticket?

Because she knew she couldn't go? (Obviously money wasn't a factor for her- it seems she used her mom's cc to pay for the other tickets.. why not get one for herself at the same time)?

Maybe she didn't buy herself a ticket so she could later say " my friend stole the cc#" (although she was dumb enough to use the home computer).

Maybe she was buying their friendship.. and at the same time, getting them out of town so she could do her dirty work... so she could further steal from them (like she did with Amy). 

Any thoughts? 

She was saying that she took the clothes and stuff from Casey's car, and put them over by the washer and dryer.. near where they have an ice chest sitting off to the side.  What I thought was strange was .. why mention the ice chest?  I dunno. She just gives too many unneeded  details.  She was talking about a lanyard that had shamrocks on it, not a hat.  :)

In Tony's thread he answers Monkeys questions in one post.  I asked him if Casey spent the night of June 15th at his apartment and he claims she did not.  He also claims to have knowledge of cell phone activity that places Casey at home.  What does the released Casey cell phones records reveal?

Janet

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Good post Rob, but where did the murder take place??????

Altruist - no doubt the car complicates everything for Casey. But in order for her to murder her daughter and get away with it she needs the use of a vehicle to dispose of the body. Unless, she is at the scene of the crime and the body drops where the crime was committed.

I believe the entire scheme is able to be unraveled regardless of her using her car or not. Her cell records, text records, facebook and everything else would have revealed her true intent. This is no longer the era of the "fingerprint". So much more goes into it all and Casey did not take those areas into consideration. She may not have even known they existed. I do understand she is a fan of the show CSI, so maybe she did know, but acted on impulse.

While planning the murder and disappearance of Caylee, Casey is not in kill and cover mode all the time. When she is just being "Casey" and not Killer Casey there is a distinct difference between the two personalities. That's not to say that she is a multi-personality. But, more like a person who is doing her job vs. a person being themselves with friends and family. You certainly don't tell anyone you are planning on killing your child. So, you do that behind closed doors.

Killer Casey's job in a sense was to get rid of Caylee and blame someone else. Then she reverts back to Casey Marie Anthony. Those two personalities clash while searching the web for clues how to accomplish her dastardly goals. One personality is talking with friends on facebook, the others is searching for info on chloroform and missing children. These "two" personalities would have a lot of explaining to do. There are no logical reasons why she would be looking for info on missing children and chloroform and then suddenly has a missing child herself. And then add in the US Search info on Zenaida along with the reunion dot com, and you have the makings of someone attempting to "disappear" a child, all she needed was her airtight scapegoat... well, at least in her mind it COULD BE airtight.

I think in order for the case to have ever moved beyond Killer Casey and to Zenaida or another victim of Killer Casey's imagination, Killer Casey would have had to pass a polygraph and would have had her computer and time-lines checked and re-checked. I doubt she would have ever passed those tests.

In light of all that, there may have always been the cloud of uncertainty hanging over whether or not Caylee was alive and sold to someone unknown. Therefore, a murder charge would probably never be a consideration. Without the forensics in the car revealing a dead body, chloroform, hair with a black ring around the folicle and "stains" this case would have been hard, if not impossible, to prove murder. All of the searching and scapegoating would probably not be enough to convince a jury, without forensics, that Caylee was dead and Killer Casey did it. A good defense attorney would have made that all very clear.

Like I said before, most young killers make mistakes due to inexperience and inability to think of the "unplanned" that occur when committing a crime. Such as; the killer did not take into consideration that an unforeseen / unknown witness has spotted them - (The gardener in the Natalee case)...or the killer did not remember to turn off his or her cell phone and was triangulated to an area of interest during a critical moment in time where the story does not match.

I don't think Killer Casey thought it all through - and that is why she will be charged with voluntary murder. Her plan was to kill her daughter and she may have gotten away with it had she waited for the right time instead of acting on her rage that was caused by her mother's choking episode. I have no doubt she did plan to kill Caylee.

 - jmo -

thanks for asking Altruist.

I just browsed over to WS, and I wonder how they got detective Yuri to post there....why cant he come here.. ::MonkeyWaa::

I found some facebook sites with pictures of Lee on them..

Do the last names Silva,Alvarez,or Corso ever come up?

Hey A-1 I waited up all night for you to pick me up!!!  what happened??? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think my Dad must have called and yelled at her too...  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think my Dad must have called and yelled at her too...  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Can someone please tell me about the choking incident I have only seen it on here did Cindy actually choke Casey and who let that be known TIA ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

LMAO I did'nt think of that DOLCE ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Now I feel left out why did'nt he call me :smt089 :smt089

Can someone please tell me about the choking incident I have only seen it on here did Cindy actually choke Casey and who let that be known TIA ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Leonard Padilla stated that Cindy and Casey got into an arguement over Fathers Day weekend, that neighbors reported to LE they heard yelling, but Leonard takes it one step further stating that Lee Anthony told him Cindy grabbed Casey by the neck and choked her.

Lisa, still trying to break into the damn shed and get a shovel and get gas cans so we can go dig up George's yard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just browsed over to WS, and I wonder how they got detective Yuri to post there....why cant he come here.. ::MonkeyWaa::

Can someone please tell me about the choking incident I have only seen it on here did Cindy actually choke Casey and who let that be known TIA ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh you just waite...he's got your number next!  No one is safe...   ::MonkeyHaHa::

You are free to use my hub's backhoe...he named it Casey.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Telling the truth there...all the guys that work for him use it to dig pools..they really do call it Casey. 
 ::MonkeyDance::

I have been working on this all day. Any mods that wish to edit any errors or add pictures that I don't have please do so.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3626.msg484099#msg484099

Lisa, still trying to break into the damn shed and get a shovel and get gas cans so we can go dig up George's yard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I have always felt that Tony's lack of love for Caylee was the reason she was killed.  Now, it has been brought out that Caylee was possiblly killed due to an argument with Cindy, ending up with Cindy choking Casey.  Do we know what happened following the Father's Day outing?  Is this when Cindy took Casey out of Ton'ys apartment and Caylee was already gone???  Can anyone fill in that time????

They're only rubbing his head and stroking his ego over there. He gives absolutely NO information and I don't expect him to. I had seriously thought about inviting him when we put up his well wishes. Not that I don't adore him, I really do. I just felt we would get more from Tony or Clint or any of the other players.

Someone want to invite Cindy?  ::MonkeyLaugh::

OMG Blonde! That's awesome! What a great job!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

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Thanks Janet
I had a feeling Clint was lying but also have a feeling Tony L is lying.This trial will be very interesting.

I also wonder if they have pulled Caylee's medical records to see if see had her baby shots, dental exams etc......

I totally agree - 110 %... this was no accident.

and

I can't get my mind off the 24th. My intuition tells me this is the most important date other then the night of the 15th.

I am confidant that all the cell / text and other electronic forensics will paint a very clear picture of Casey's entire time-line and it will be a road map of all her activities. A map that large will take some time to get completed.

Can someone please tell me about the choking incident I have only seen it on here did Cindy actually choke Casey and who let that be known TIA ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

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I've seen the picture from Silva, the 3 guys together. I am not familiar with the others.

*SPECULATION ALERT*

I've listened to the 9-1-1 calls from Cindy at least 50 times...sorry Folks...but based on the info we now have...I'm convinced that Cindy already knew what was going on...I have a half-sister...that could lie her way out of a paper bag....she learned how to do that from my egg donor....my bio-mom is just like Cindy...I KNOW how these ppl can lie...fake emotions....I know...they will do anything to and I mean anything...to keep their version of the truth/reality...as the only thing the world will see...Des

*SPECULATION ALERT*

I've listened to the 9-1-1 calls from Cindy at least 50 times...sorry Folks...but based on the info we now have...I'm convinced that Cindy already knew what was going on...I have a half-sister...that could lie her way out of a paper bag....she learned how to do that from my egg donor....my bio-mom is just like Cindy...I KNOW how these ppl can lie...fake emotions....I know...they will do anything to and I mean anything...to keep their version of the truth/reality...as the only thing the world will see...Des

I made a mess of moving this the right way sighhhhhhh

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Excuse me.. but that was 'me' Just-the-facts that spoke to Rick and verified who he was on topix. I also was the one he sent pics to...of his wedding. I spoke with him on the phone and also contacted the Greta show and arranged for him to have a phone interview..of which he decided to do instead of an on air one, as he didn't want to upset his sister. I am not tooting my own horn, but gosh..  Unless you did this too in 'addition' to me... that was me your refering to :)

Just-the-facts aka Suzan




     

Good Morning Monkeys...I was reading through last night's posts and noticed alot of questions about Cindy's brother Rick and whether or not he is the "real deal".  I was on topix the night he posted.  Many were giving him a hard time - but he and I engaged in convo and he answered questions that verified to me is IS RICK.  I did some sleuthing of Ohio records, Clerk of Courts, etc and found the name of a girl that I knew tied to his name in some filings.  (I'm in NE Ohio)

Then here, I saw photos of his wedding - the bride is that girl!  He is who he says he is.  I believe he stated his motive for coming forward was to let people know that, with the exception of Cindy, his family doesn't condone Casey's actions nor do they support her.   

But don't you think either the drugging of Caylee wasn't going on that long, or she didn't go to her doctor????

*SPECULATION ALERT*

I've listened to the 9-1-1 calls from Cindy at least 50 times...sorry Folks...but based on the info we now have...I'm convinced that Cindy already knew what was going on...I have a half-sister...that could lie her way out of a paper bag....she learned how to do that from my egg donor....my bio-mom is just like Cindy...I KNOW how these ppl can lie...fake emotions....I know...they will do anything to and I mean anything...to keep their version of the truth/reality...as the only thing the world will see...Des

So, I am still looking at the phone records and there is something that I don't really get...

There are calls in succession that the lat/long for the pings go from one address to another minute by minute...

7:42 pm - one location
7:43 pm - second location, 8 minutes drive away according to map
7:44 pm - back to the same location as the 7:42 call

Sorry for not paying attention, but how does this work?

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If I understand this correctly, the signals bounce to the closest available towers and then are triangulated. There is a distance they will go and I believe it's 1 mile. So, any call you see can be picked up by an available tower within that range. No one call is going to pinpoint where she was. It will just give you a general area/idea.

Thank you I just had not heard it besides from here not saying I did not believe it just woundered who let that know because I knew Cindy for sure would not have offered that up!!

Thanks, MrsKub... so there really is no way to tell if she was making calls from the house, or the apartment, etc... just general vicinities? 

But don't you think either the drugging of Caylee wasn't going on that long, or she didn't go to her doctor????

I am so glad to see others questioning this....as I have from the get go....LP says, Lee told him this....and  Casey told Lee?  or did Lee say he saw it happen?

I am so glad to see others questioning this....as I have from the get go....LP says, Lee told him this....and  Casey told Lee?  or did Lee say he saw it happen?

She called her own number to check her VM. These are the docs from LE. Grande just filled in who the calls were to or from.

Thanks, Mrs. K. (aka my adopted Mom)

Feeling better chickie?

No, but you're very sweet to ask.

I forgot this, but I actually meant to ask earlier if this neighbor was going to be on the witness list..we have no idea who this neighbor was, do we?

Sunny ... Leonard Padilla's words regarding the choking incident can be heard on the audio of Dana Pletzer's September 22nd show.

Janet
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The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Monday, September 22, 2008 - Guests Include Drew Peterson and Attorney Joel Brodsky; Craig Glazer, Author of “King of Sting”; Aden McEvoy and Rhonda Wheelus Update Us On The Becca McEvoy Case; Bail Bondsman Leonard Padilla Discusses The Casey Anthony Case and Dana Speaks With Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch About New News Regarding Both The Natalee Holloway Case And The Caylee Anthony Case.
 
September 22nd, 2008

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/09/22/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-monday-september-22-2008-guests-include-drew-peterson-and-attorney-joel-brodsky-craig-glazer-author-of-king-of-sting-and-aden-mcevoy-and-rhond/

I forgot this, but I actually meant to ask earlier if this neighbor was going to be on the witness list..we have no idea who this neighbor was, do we?

Re: Casey buying her friends plane tickets to PR.  I'm trying to figure out why she never bought herself a ticket?

Because she knew she couldn't go? (Obviously money wasn't a factor for her- it seems she used her mom's cc to pay for the other tickets.. why not get one for herself at the same time)?

Maybe she didn't buy herself a ticket so she could later say " my friend stole the cc#" (although she was dumb enough to use the home computer).

Maybe she was buying their friendship.. and at the same time, getting them out of town so she could do her dirty work... so she could further steal from them (like she did with Amy). 

Any thoughts? 

I am off subject but not off topic.  After reading another forum last night for the first, I have a newly found respect for SM mods and even my fellow monkeys.

I can't believe how Rick Plesea was treated. Some of those members were so rude. They must be kicking themselves because it really was him and I believe he was repeating what his mother told him! 

However, the plate glass window inicident (GA pushed his father into it) is in question.

I had never read this forum and I wonder what made him go there!   ::MonkeyConfused::  Actually, I still believe he shouldn't have gone any forums at all.

From Grande's phone call spread sheet,is Tone for Tony?If so,my God!Casey called him non stop all thruout the evening on 6/15 till morning on 6/17!

From Grande's phone call spread sheet,is Tone for Tony?If so,my God!Casey called him non stop all thruout the evening on 6/15 till morning on 6/17!

So she wasn't staying at Tony's.   Where in the heck could she have been?  Do we have ping info for that timeframe, or is that one of the blocks we're missing?

So she wasn't staying at Tony's.   Where in the heck could she have been?  Do we have ping info for that timeframe, or is that one of the blocks we're missing?

ALSO, after calling Tony's number so many times don't you think she'd have it memorized?  Do you think Tony got a little pissed and changed his number?

ALSO, after calling Tony's number so many times don't you think she'd have it memorized?  Do you think Tony got a little pissed and changed his number?

I am hoping that karmalady was able to get her fax through to Melich & Allen regarding Noreen Renier & that resource will be available to OCSO.

Just can't imagine why CA would deny someone as accomplished as Noreen Renier to sense belongings of both KC & Caylee, oh yeah, that's right that world renowned non-profit established in 2006 called Kid Finders Network has their own psychic available to them, so why would Noreen Renier be desired.  Fakes & phonies do seem to stick together, deny the real thing.

Also noticed that Casey called her home at 7:45 am on 6/16 knowing that Cindy leaves for work around 7:15 to 7:40 am.I thought Cindy said she heard Caylee and Casey in thier room that morning before work?[/color]

ALSO, after calling Tony's number so many times don't you think she'd have it memorized?  Do you think Tony got a little pissed and changed his number?

Again, IMO ... more misinformation ...  Do you have a link to this or proof this organization has OR uses psychics?  Here is what I found ....


http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/services.html

Investigation Services -   We have our own exclusive Investigative Team that we use to obtain any information or leads. With our own Investigative Team we investigate the leads we generate and provide any information to law enforcement.  It is said that Psychic's are now playing a major role in providing useful leads in missing person investigations, although the F.B.I. and N.C.M.E.C. claims no cases has ever been solved solely from Psychic ability.  If a Psychic ever volunteers a lead it stays within our organization until these leads can be confirmed by our Investigative Team or Law Enforcement.   Kid Finders Network never suggests to a family to solicit the use of Psychics.  Although we feel any and all leads should and will be investigated.  Any information obtained from a Psychic's advice are never at the expense of a family nor would they ever allow a Psychic hold personal property hostage from a family of a Missing Person.  These services are used strictly within our own organization.   Our Investigative Team Is Not For Hire  Nor Should Any Tips We Obtained To Be Relied On As 100% Accurate.  It is simply used as an additional tool, by our organization, to help find a Missing Person.

ALSO, after calling Tony's number so many times don't you think she'd have it memorized?  Do you think Tony got a little pissed and changed his number?

OMG! Great catch Karma!!! Cindy is busted in another lie!!!!

? for the photograph expert monkeys

does anybody see a big difference in the paver's in the Anthony back yard between April (Easter egg photo) & July (OCSO hellicopter overhead photo's)????

OMG! Great catch Karma!!! Cindy is busted in another lie!!!!

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We have an exclusive Psychic that we use to obtain any information or leads.
With our own Investigative Team we investigate the leads and provide any information to law enforcement.
Psychic's are now playing a major roll in providing useful leads in missing person investigations. These
services are used strictly within our own organization. We Are Not For Hire Nor Are These Tips To Be Relied
On As 100% Accurate. It is simply used as an additional tool, by our organization, to help find a Missing
Person.
http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/files/Media%20Kit%201.pdf

I wonder what was so important that she repeatedly called all night.   Either she had already harmed Caylee, or was just upset about being choked by her crazy mom, or was just having a complete breakdown.  I'm sure Tony not answering his phone only made her state of mind that much worse.   

Also, if she was calling all night, that pretty much proves that as a result she had to have been feeling sleep deprived at some point the next day.  THAT surely wouldn't help her already off kilter state of mind one bit.

Plus, don't you think she would go in and kiss Caylee goodbye - sleeping or not.  Or even just a quick check on her!  I always check on my kids and they are much older!

If I'm reading Grande's phone call spread sheet correctly....Casey called home at 7:45 am on 6/16.I have to believe that the investigators have this already figured out....I have to believe they have most of the Anthony's lies uncovered.

Plus, don't you think she would go in and kiss Caylee goodbye - sleeping or not.  Or even just a quick check on her!  I always check on my kids and they are much older!

Did she say that she heard them?  I've only heard her say that she knew they were there "because the door was closed".  That statement is dumb enough in itself, though!

For a while, I thought that LE had no idea how much the other Anthonys were lying, but now I think they were onto the whole family for a long time.  They gave them all the benefit of the doubt and tried to help them to accept what was happening, but they can add two and two as easily as we can, and they know the whole family has misled them and the press and the public.

Thank you MrsKub, I missed the request, I had copies the Media Kit for future reference.  Hope that helps you invision.  I don't give misinformation purposely, ever, if I have doubt or it is only a recollection I state it as so.

KLAAS  In all due respect ... I do very much enjoy posting here ... and I find it a VERY CREDIBLE site (more so than others) and I would love to keep it that way ...

but today I have been a bit concerned with all the slamming on Kid Finder Network .... 

SM has tried to link them to Mallory Parker via Malori Milstead ... SM has likened KFN's tent to RedNecks and has called them tacky and now has said they have their own psychics working for them ...... I do not know what went on between them and TES (if anything)

but I feel that until SOMETHING CONCRETE is proven to discredit this organization FOR REAL that perhaps we should not continue bashing them.  IMO they are in the forefront to try to bring missing children home!

They are not on trial and I find this bashing disturbing and really not relevant to the case .... I would LOVE to see SM continue their good reputation by not allowing mistruths to be posted.

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Oh, wait.  I just dawned on me that many of those calls were early Sunday morning, not late Sunday night.  So, on Father's Day Casey was probably already frustrated that she couldn't get a hold of Tony.  She sure did call him incessantly.

I had been thinking that they might have been in the wee hours of the 16th - as in late night on the night of the choking.   

KLAAS  In all due respect ... I do very much enjoy posting here ... and I find it a VERY CREDIBLE site (more so than others) and I would love to keep it that way ...

but today I have been a bit concerned with all the slamming on Kid Finder Network .... 

SM has tried to link them to Mallory Parker via Malori Milstead ... SM has likened KFN's tent to RedNecks and has called them tacky and now has said they have their own psychics working for them ...... I do not know what went on between them and TES (if anything)

but I feel that until SOMETHING CONCRETE is proven to discredit this organization FOR REAL that perhaps we should not continue bashing them.  IMO they are in the forefront to try to bring missing children home!

They are not on trial and I find this bashing disturbing and really not relevant to the case .... I would LOVE to see SM continue their good reputation by not allowing mistruths to be posted.

KLAAS  In all due respect ... I do very much enjoy posting here ... and I find it a VERY CREDIBLE site (more so than others) and I would love to keep it that way ...

but today I have been a bit concerned with all the slamming on Kid Finder Network .... 

SM has tried to link them to Mallory Parker via Malori Milstead ... SM has likened KFN's tent to RedNecks and has called them tacky and now has said they have their own psychics working for them ...... I do not know what went on between them and TES (if anything)

but I feel that until SOMETHING CONCRETE is proven to discredit this organization FOR REAL that perhaps we should not continue bashing them.  IMO they are in the forefront to try to bring missing children home!

They are not on trial and I find this bashing disturbing and really not relevant to the case .... I would LOVE to see SM continue their good reputation by not allowing mistruths to be posted.