May 13, 2024, 11:41:18 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: NEW CHILD BOARD CREATED IN THE POLITICAL SECTION FOR THE 2016 ELECTION
 
   Home   Help Login Register  
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 »   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Lively Case Discussion #509 8/9 - 8/10/2006  (Read 157437 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
SunFreak2
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 3251



« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2006, 05:13:03 PM »

Quote from: "Smish"

Friday the 17th before signing? Glaring is exactly what it is, imo.
Maybe we need to go back and see exactly what was going on in the so called investigation between june 13th and june 17th?What were they doing in this time period?




ABBREVIATED TIMELINE FOR PART OF JUNE


June 3 - Aruban Coastguard searches waters

June 3 – first American News Media crew on island was MSNBC, following the first correspondent to the island from the syndicated show, “a Current Affair.”

June 3 – Reportedly a former policeman follows a KIA sedan with a blonde woman matching Natalee’s description from an ATM location.  After following the car from house to house, the police are called.  The girl is brought to the police station, the Twittys are called in, but the woman turned out to be an American tourist.  Similarly it is later reported that Hubert Tiel follows another woman from house to house, before she leaves by helicopter.

June 4 - Allegro Hotel searched room by room

June 5 - Johns & Jones arrested.
Bloody mattress found on SE end of island
Ladies sunglasses & white security shirt found in Colony area of SE end of island

June 5 – Gerold Dompig reportedly replaced vd Straaten as lead investigator per Oduber’s orders.  Vd Straaten becomes lead investigator again within a few days, allegedly around the 10th.

June 6 – Island-wide search for Natalee Holloway
500 gov't employees show up for
search of SouthEastern tip of island

June 8 - Judge J.S. Kuiperdal remands Johns & Jones in custody for an additional 8 days

June 9 – ~6 – 6:30 AM - J2K arrested on “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”

June 9 - 6:00 PM - International School of Aruba senior graduation @ Wyndham Hotel

June 10 – Natalee’s loved ones rush to the lighthouse area after a police official tells the media that one of the three young men in custody admitted “something bad happened” and was leading police to the scene.

June 10 - Beth stated that her D.N.A. was requested by JANSSEN (BETH gave saliva and blood samples)

June 10 - Late that evening FOX News, AP and CNN reported that Dompig and Edward Croes stated that one of the arrested suspects had confessed, and police were being taken to a crime scene. DOMPIG also stated that one of the persons in custody had stated  "that something bad happened to NATALEE.”  Shortly after that statement became public, a press conference was held in which one senior government official made no reference to the Assistant Commissioner's statement, choosing rather, to say that the authorities were at a critical juncture in the investigations.

June 10 - Beth & Dave told by FBI that Natalee may no longer be alive because the 3 Main Suspects were “beginning to implicate each other, and they were not denying the crime, and they were finger-pointing at each other.”

June 10 - BETH phoned her mother and told her that Natalee was probably no longer alive.

June 10 - This weekend began scaling back of search for Natalee. ALE search teams venturing out only after credible tips & coast guard patrols offshore

June 10 - Oduber addresses Aruba that if something bad happened to Natalee it would be bad for the island long considered one of the safest CARIBBEAN OCEAN nations to visit, whose main industry is tourism.

June 10 – Aru-Bay video of what appears to be the recovery of a body is filmed.  It is later claimed to be that of a 7 year old illegal immigrant from Columbia, although the body is later reported to have been found a year earlier

June 11 - Rudy Croes states twice that one of the boys is talking and a body will be found soon.

June 11 - Oduber says there is blood in Deepak's car

June 11 – The radio stations in Aruba are also reporting that ARUBAN police are heading to recover NATALEE’s remains. First it was lighthouse, then it was Bubali Plas (shallow lake), then it’s Canashito, at the rock quarry.

June 11 –Vivian van der Biezen, spokeswoman for the Attorney General said, “The investigation (is) was at a very crucial point.”

June 11 – Video tape of strange events taking place near the lighthouse were uploaded to the internet.

June 11 – Public announcements regarding confession & body location are officially retracted

June 11 – Aru-Bay video of rock painting is filmed
Aru-Bay video of body recovery is uploaded to internet

June 11 - vd STRAATEN was asked by a DUTCH journalist if he had any hopes for a positive outcome? STRAATEN replied, “You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.” When asked why not, STRAATEN replied, “Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't!”

June 11 - Curacao criminal judge DICK van den BRINK came to Aruba & remanded J2K to be held for an additional 8 days

June 11 or 12 – Julia Renfro hysterically notifies the Twittys that Natalee had been found dead and moved to the island’s courthouse.  Julia inserts herself to the Twittys’ overcrowded mini-van as they rush to the courthouse where they are met by a throng of television cameras.  The family finds the courthouse locked and apparently empty. Julia claimed her information came from a deputy information office in the justice department, but it was found that no official ever leaked the information.

June 12 - Families asked to stop talking to the press

June 12 - Amalin Flanegin was added as second prosecutor after rumors that she would replace Jannsen

June 12 – An Amigoe article in the Aruban newspaper stated, “The father of one of the boys is a substitute judge. And every impression has to be prevented that the judge that is assigned is friends with the father of the boy.”

June 12 - Aru-Bay video of rock painting is uploaded to Internet

June 13 – Joran reportedly tells ALE that Deepak killed & buried Natalee near the huts.  Joran reportedly also claims that he was dropped at his home at 1:40.

June 13 - “FoxNews” RIVERA reported he just got off the phone with the Justice Minister RUDY CROES, and that CROES said there would a “resolution to the case momentarily.”

June 13 – John & Jones were released. JONES was released after his wife and mother testified that JONES was home sick all day 5-29 and 5-30 and wife was continuously with JONES.

June 13 – The lawyer of suspect ABRAHAM JONES, CHRIS LeJUEZ stated the following:
Two suspects: Joran van der Sloot and Abraham Jones were/are detained in the same cellblock at the police department in Noord.
It is here that a crying suspect, Joran van der Sloot supposedly commented to another suspect, Abraham Jones the following:
He is very preoccupied because he thinks that the other two Surinamese suspects might be lying and blaming him for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. His new story is that they (with they, I mean the two other suspects) dropped him off at his home, with Natalee Holloway still in the car, further he and Natalee exchanged e-mail address and that was the last time he saw her. He also added that the story that he told the officials was orchestrated at his home, near the pool.

June 13 – a second “Wall of Hope and Prayer” is erected

June 14 – 3 condoms, duct tape, and women’s size 14-16 pink polka-dot or pink floral underwear are found near the Marriott Hotel Beach

June 15 – Search & Seizure of vd Sloot’s red jeep & medium-blue SUV, computers and misc. other physical evidence.  Ben King present during search.  Kalpoes home searched & car impounded

June 17 – Steve Croes arrested

June 17 – Dutch judge Bob Wit rules that Paulus not be allowed visitation with Joran. Wit also barred Carlos (Joran’s attorney) from visting b/c Carlo had visited with security guards during their arrest.  Joran’s family hires Richie Kock and Arjan Debie as attorneys for Joran.  Judge Wit extends remand of J2K

June 18 – Paulus questioned for 5 hours as possible witness

June 18 – Rene Van Heyningen found partially beheaded in a cemetery

June 19 – Judge Wit retains S Croes for an additional 8 days

June 20 – Joran reportedly is on suicide watch

June 21 – J2K transferred to KIA

June 21 – Beth & Greta visit with Paulus & Anita at vdS home for 90 minutes.  Allegedly Anita describes Natalee’s underwear & genitals, as well as provides a graphic description of Joran’s sexual encounter with Natalee.

June 21 – J2K transferred to KIA

June 23 – Paulus vd Sloot is arrested under suspicion of complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping.

June 24 – Police secretly tape conversations of J2K while they are being transported together in police vehicle
Logged
tidycat
Monkey Junky Jr.
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 631



« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2006, 05:14:49 PM »

Sunfreak, thanks for that timeline...

tidycat
Logged

Sigh.  I'll always be behind.
Tylergal
Monkey All Star Jr.
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9535



« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2006, 05:16:31 PM »

KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.
Logged

There is always one more imbecile than you counted on
Tylergal
Monkey All Star Jr.
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9535



« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2006, 05:18:06 PM »

So the 13 June 2005 statement as attested to by J VanderStraaten does not match this statement:  

June 13 – The lawyer of suspect ABRAHAM JONES, CHRIS LeJUEZ stated the following:

Two suspects: Joran van der Sloot and Abraham Jones were/are detained in the same cellblock at the police department in Noord.
It is here that a crying suspect, Joran van der Sloot supposedly commented to another suspect, Abraham Jones the following:
He is very preoccupied because he thinks that the other two Surinamese suspects might be lying and blaming him for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. His new story is that they (with they, I mean the two other suspects) dropped him off at his home, with Natalee Holloway still in the car, further he and Natalee exchanged e-mail address and that was the last time he saw her. He also added that the story that he told the officials was orchestrated at his home, near the pool.
Logged

There is always one more imbecile than you counted on
Tylergal
Monkey All Star Jr.
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9535



« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2006, 05:19:05 PM »

Quote from: "Tylergal"
KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.


SUNFREAK, thanks, I neglected to see that.
Logged

There is always one more imbecile than you counted on
Frijole
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 4263



« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2006, 05:20:31 PM »

Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "San"
Notice how Deepak makes sure he mentions he made his phone call from the phone at work when he called Joran at the casino.  He is still going with his phone was out of minutes.

If I was giving a statment I would just say I called Joran at the casiono.  Deepak is giving too much detail.


He never mentions if the sporter called him.  I would be willing to bet there was a flurry of phoning that day.  Why would he ask Joran if he attended/did not attend school that day?  why would this day be any different?  why did Satish not attend school?  What was so important that day that he did not attend school?  Automotive Enterprises?


Lots of good points here...

Is this the place where Peeps worked?  (poster on SM)
Isn't this the place where the American worker died in the container?
This is getting creepier and creepier

It is so obvious that there was a cover up within law enforcement... between the changing stories by the boys and the changes in their attitute.  Once the body was moved and safe... these little details didn't matter any more.  Problem is.. they had already said them.  And not they are on the world wide web for all to read.

Guys - give it up - it's not going away.  San is right... Deepak you gave too much info... we know your car was worked on to conceal evidence.  Who paid for it you or Paulus or the Tourism Board?
Logged
Frijole
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 4263



« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2006, 05:22:15 PM »

Quote from: "Tylergal"
[/b]HAMMER:  
I wonder where they dump old (or stained) car floor mats and carpeting in Aruba?

Wherever they dump the bodies.  Remember the statement from Deepak, if they find the girl, they are going to find all "that shit."  What shit?  The carpeting and interior of his car?


Joran's shoes, the cup that had traces of date rape drug on it, the video????
Logged
klaasend
Administrator
Monkey Mega Star
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 74276



WWW
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2006, 05:23:42 PM »

Quote from: "Tylergal"
KLAASEN, what is the date of the rush to the courthouse where JR inserts herself into this, after summoning Jug & Beth to let her ride with them to the courthouse.  I have it from a 6/13/05 article, but not sure that is the date of the occurrence.


I believe it was June 13th.
Logged
flyingmermaid
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1155



« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2006, 05:24:20 PM »

Hi Sunny MTWS  and Kimmy and Sharon - How Lovely!  Do Enjoy!

(I was at the Marriott Harbor Beach)

Winkies and smoochies!

Later - I am tired!

Gonna go home and read all the statements.........
Logged

Time spent with cats is never wasted. - Colette
Smish
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 149



« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2006, 05:25:17 PM »

Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "Smish"
the big hammer wrote:
van der Straaten

He handles interrogations of jvds, but not other two. He is directly involved w/ sloot throughout questioning, but never kalpoe.

This is another important piece. And something new (at least to me).

RE statement of June 13. As noted by others, van der Straaten signs this document on June 17, and presumably submits it then. This delay is a problem. This is not only strange, but is procedural breach. And in case so important to Aruba, this failure to follow procedure is glaring, and an oversight a seasoned, ranking police officer simply would not make.

Unless...there was a reason to.


Exactly, Hammer. What did van der Straaten have to do from Monday afternoon the 13th until sometime Friday the 17th before signing? Glaring is exactly what it is, imo.
Maybe we need to go back and see exactly what was going on in the so called investigation between june 13th and june 17th?What were they doing in this time period?


Is the time of June 13 consistent w/ the date that SCOOP summoned Beth & Jug to the courthouse, only to prove yet again what a lying poseur she was and what an enabler of evil exists in her micromini brain.

LOL on the scoop thing...she aint no scoop anything,she IS a renHO.
I'm not sure of the date that she lead the family on that stupid court house chase as I only heard about that this year.Still haven't found a date on that but it is possible it happened between the 13th and 17th of june 05.
Logged

Joran Aint Nothing But A Golden Monster In Training
ala_gunslinger
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1096



« Reply #90 on: August 09, 2006, 05:26:22 PM »

Hey ya'll!!!

Has this been discussed???

'June 3 – Reportedly a former policeman follows a KIA sedan with a blonde woman matching Natalee’s description from an ATM location. After following the car from house to house, the police are called. The girl is brought to the police station, the Twittys are called in, but the woman turned out to be an American tourist. Similarly it is later reported that Hubert Tiel follows another woman from house to house, before she leaves by helicopter. '
Logged

Existence is futile.
KackyLacky
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 47



« Reply #91 on: August 09, 2006, 05:26:41 PM »

hi ya'll...........

hope all is well with you, all is well here.l

I just wanted to mention this...........I am a BIG fan of the TV show "Big Brother".............it is on CBS.........well last week they had a competion for veto power, and one of the prizes was a trip to aruba.............A dr will kirby won it........apparently from what he said on the show he practices dermatolgy at a "Coast Dermatology"............he gave a shout out to them one night during a "live" show...............I have already emailed, him, the show and Endemol entertainment and CBS............just thought you guys would want to know.........

If this was already brought up, I apologize..........

CYA later Very Happy
Logged
Smish
Scared Monkey
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 149



« Reply #92 on: August 09, 2006, 05:28:33 PM »

Quote from: "LilPuma"
Quote from: "Smish"
the big hammer wrote:
van der Straaten

He handles interrogations of jvds, but not other two. He is directly involved w/ sloot throughout questioning, but never kalpoe.

This is another important piece. And something new (at least to me).

RE statement of June 13. As noted by others, van der Straaten signs this document on June 17, and presumably submits it then. This delay is a problem. This is not only strange, but is procedural breach. And in case so important to Aruba, this failure to follow procedure is glaring, and an oversight a seasoned, ranking police officer simply would not make.

Unless...there was a reason to.


Exactly, Hammer. What did van der Straaten have to do from Monday afternoon the 13th until sometime Friday the 17th before signing? Glaring is exactly what it is, imo.
Maybe we need to go back and see exactly what was going on in the so called investigation between june 13th and june 17th?What were they doing in this time period?


Hey Smish!  Good to see you!  I'd guess that van der Straaten waited those four days to make sure that no evidence or witnesses came forward that could prove Joran was lying again.  If anything did, Uncle Jan needed time to "eliminate" it.

HI Sweety!Good to see you here....I knew you were going to snatch up that little kitty icon.
Thats possible but I sense a more sinister reason for waiting those 4 days to sign off on it.I think he may have been waiting till the Kalpoe's stories were"concrete"somewhat to make sure they matched Joran's statements.
Logged

Joran Aint Nothing But A Golden Monster In Training
Spock
Monkey Junky Jr.
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 840



« Reply #93 on: August 09, 2006, 05:28:59 PM »

The mention of "automotive enterprises" twice while in custody does seem interesting. I would not be surprised if interior work was done before June 9 and evidence was destroyed.

What bothers me the most, is the complete lack of statements in the files before the arrests of the three suspects on June 9. These would be the false wittness statements by the three that were later retracted and led to the arrest of the security guards. These false statements as witnesses are punishable in any criminal system. I also find it very likely the suspect statements of June 9-June 13 have been likewise cleaned up. Some statements are prepared and signed days after the interrogation. The loss of these statements is clear evidence that the file has been sanitized and a coverup was in progress.

Honestly, these statements, and the lack of statements, make it clear to me that the investigation was derailed from the start from someone within the Justice Ministry.  If no "witness" statements come forward prior to June 9, 2005, I will be sure of it.
Logged

In My Opinion
Tylergal
Monkey All Star Jr.
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9535



« Reply #94 on: August 09, 2006, 05:33:46 PM »

Quote from: "Spock"
The mention of "automotive enterprises" twice while in custody does seem interesting. I would not be surprised if interior work was done before June 9 and evidence was destroyed.

What bothers me the most, is the complete lack of statements in the files before the arrests of the three suspects on June 9. These would be the false wittness statements by the three that were later retracted and led to the arrest of the security guards. These false statements as witnesses are punishable in any criminal system. I also find it very likely the suspect statements of June 9-June 13 have been likewise cleaned up. Some statements are prepared and signed days after the interrogation. The loss of these statements is clear evidence that the file has been sanitized and a coverup was in progress.

Honestly, these statements, and the lack of statements, make it clear to me that the investigation was derailed from the start from someone within the Justice Ministry.  If no "witness" statements come forward prior to June 9, 2005, I will be sure of it.


SPOCK, you will get no disagreement here but you like many others must not have been listening to Arlene, when she admonished us that we do not understand their system.  She told us we did not understand it.  She was right, but what she failed to tell us that it is a system dependent on "who you are" whether or not you have a right to a coverup.
Logged

There is always one more imbecile than you counted on
Frijole
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 4263



« Reply #95 on: August 09, 2006, 05:34:11 PM »

Quote from: "Spock"
The mention of "automotive enterprises" twice while in custody does seem interesting. I would not be surprised if interior work was done before June 9 and evidence was destroyed.

What bothers me the most, is the complete lack of statements in the files before the arrests of the three suspects on June 9. These would be the false wittness statements by the three that were later retracted and led to the arrest of the security guards. These false statements as witnesses are punishable in any criminal system. I also find it very likely the suspect statements of June 9-June 13 have been likewise cleaned up. Some statements are prepared and signed days after the interrogation. The loss of these statements is clear evidence that the file has been sanitized and a coverup was in progress.

Honestly, these statements, and the lack of statements, make it clear to me that the investigation was derailed from the start from someone within the Justice Ministry.  If no "witness" statements come forward prior to June 9, 2005, I will be sure of it.


You are right on Spock.  Now the question is -- will anyone, anywhere DO anything about it?  I am sure Aruba Law enforcement will NOT...  Holland.... doubtful....

What avenue exists to expose such obvious corruption other than pressure from the media?
Logged
Frijole
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 4263



« Reply #96 on: August 09, 2006, 05:39:10 PM »

Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "Spock"
The mention of "automotive enterprises" twice while in custody does seem interesting. I would not be surprised if interior work was done before June 9 and evidence was destroyed.

What bothers me the most, is the complete lack of statements in the files before the arrests of the three suspects on June 9. These would be the false wittness statements by the three that were later retracted and led to the arrest of the security guards. These false statements as witnesses are punishable in any criminal system. I also find it very likely the suspect statements of June 9-June 13 have been likewise cleaned up. Some statements are prepared and signed days after the interrogation. The loss of these statements is clear evidence that the file has been sanitized and a coverup was in progress.

Honestly, these statements, and the lack of statements, make it clear to me that the investigation was derailed from the start from someone within the Justice Ministry.  If no "witness" statements come forward prior to June 9, 2005, I will be sure of it.


SPOCK, you will get no disagreement here but you like many others must not have been listening to Arlene, when she admonished us that we do not understand their system.  She told us we did not understand it.  She was right, but what she failed to tell us that it is a system dependent on "who you are" whether or not you have a right to a coverup.


And what Arlene's ARROGANT SELF did not understand is that we Americans aren't stupid.  We might not have understood their "system" before but we sure caught on... it's the old "buddy buddy" system.

She taught us well and wouldn't it be ironic if her own nightly briefings on how Aruban Law works is what finally fries these aholes?  (i.e. witnesses cannot lie)  Frankly I don't care if they go to jail for simply lying.. they shouldn't be walking the streets and getting paid money for being arrested.
Logged
ala_gunslinger
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1096



« Reply #97 on: August 09, 2006, 05:39:15 PM »

Quote from: "Spock"
The mention of "automotive enterprises" twice while in custody does seem interesting. I would not be surprised if interior work was done before June 9 and evidence was destroyed.

What bothers me the most, is the complete lack of statements in the files before the arrests of the three suspects on June 9. These would be the false wittness statements by the three that were later retracted and led to the arrest of the security guards. These false statements as witnesses are punishable in any criminal system. I also find it very likely the suspect statements of June 9-June 13 have been likewise cleaned up. Some statements are prepared and signed days after the interrogation. The loss of these statements is clear evidence that the file has been sanitized and a coverup was in progress.

Honestly, these statements, and the lack of statements, make it clear to me that the investigation was derailed from the start from someone within the Justice Ministry.  If no "witness" statements come forward prior to June 9, 2005, I will be sure of it.


Greetings Spock!

I too have often wondered about automotive enterprizes.

Live long and prosper.  V
Logged

Existence is futile.
Spock
Monkey Junky Jr.
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 840



« Reply #98 on: August 09, 2006, 05:40:40 PM »

Main stream media needs to demand an explanation: Do "witness" statements by J2K exist in the case file before June 9, 2005? I am going to be sending out some e-mails to the majors.
Logged

In My Opinion
ala_gunslinger
Monkey Junky
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 1096



« Reply #99 on: August 09, 2006, 05:44:30 PM »

Quote from: "Frijole"
Quote from: "Tylergal"
Quote from: "San"
Notice how Deepak makes sure he mentions he made his phone call from the phone at work when he called Joran at the casino.  He is still going with his phone was out of minutes.

If I was giving a statment I would just say I called Joran at the casiono.  Deepak is giving too much detail.


He never mentions if the sporter called him.  I would be willing to bet there was a flurry of phoning that day.  Why would he ask Joran if he attended/did not attend school that day?  why would this day be any different?  why did Satish not attend school?  What was so important that day that he did not attend school?  Automotive Enterprises?


Lots of good points here...

Is this the place where Peeps worked?  (poster on SM)
Isn't this the place where the American worker died in the container?
This is getting creepier and creepier

It is so obvious that there was a cover up within law enforcement... between the changing stories by the boys and the changes in their attitute.  Once the body was moved and safe... these little details didn't matter any more.  Problem is.. they had already said them.  And not they are on the world wide web for all to read.

Guys - give it up - it's not going away.  San is right... Deepak you gave too much info... we know your car was worked on to conceal evidence.  Who paid for it you or Paulus or the Tourism Board?


Klaas, If I may be so bold (plug for Spock there!), is it possible to see our comprehensive map with the triangle AND the location of where the dude was found in the container?

We may be on to the primary scene!
Logged

Existence is futile.
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 »   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Use of this web site in any manner signifies unconditional acceptance, without exception, of our terms of use.
Powered by SMF 1.1.13 | SMF © 2006-2011, Simple Machines LLC
 
Page created in 7.031 seconds with 18 queries.