Lively Case Discussion 541a 11/7 - 11/11/2006

[klaasend]

Steve and Cheremy still going strong - November 5, 2006




 

[dkpen]

LMAO that dude has a purse around his neck. Gay!

[klaasend]

Steve and Cheremy still going strong - November 5, 2006




 

Same night:

[dkpen]

I don't know what those girls see in Cheremy. He is out right "fugly".

[Ono]

The Queen looks like a very classy lady--chic ensemble and all.  She certainly stands out in the Aruban crowd who, aside from a few stuffed suits, do not appear to have dressed for the occasion.  I've always been told that the way you present yourself shows your respect for the people in your company.

The Queen is beautiful.  Every time I've seen her in the media, she also looks stunning.  She reminds me of Grace Kelly.

I agree..she is an elegant person. I like her hats, her wardrobe, and her very kind demeanor. I am thinking little does she know how rot-gut crude Aruba really is. Perhaps behind the scenes she is being quickly educated about it, as we have been in the last year and a half.

[LilPuma]

hmmm I hate to say it but that sounds more like self defense than criminal. I'd toss the bum into the water too if it was persistant and annoying and trying to strike up a fight, especially after the police removed the bum already one time.
Now looking at it from another view, Joran could of bodily harmed the bum and tossing it over the bridge. Pending how far the bum dropped and what is below it could possibly hit. And Joran could of called the police over once again to deal with it and escort the bum off again. IMHO

If Joran did this in response to the guy irritating them, not physically threatening them, then it's probably not self-defense - except maybe in Aruba if your father is Paulus van der Sloot.  But there could be a connection here -- drugs? -- that we don't know about.  Does Joran sell this guy drugs?  Does he buy drugs from this guy?  It could also be one example of Joran losing his temper and doing someone bodily harm.

[Anna]

Bolded portion added to the TL:

According to message board posts by Aruban reporter/Joran supporter "Glenda", sometime on Saturday a girl later identified as Natalee by the FBI is captured on tape at a jewelry store in the Wyndham hotel, arguing with an unidentified male. Reportedly, the male wanted to purchase an item of jewelry, she insisted on purchasing it herself, they then took their argument outside the store. A civil filing by Joran's lawyer Joe Tacopina states as fact that the girl on the tape is Natalee. However according to a reliable personal source, as of the time this tape's existence was first made public in April 2006, Aruban polis had not received any information from the FBI regarding an identification of Natalee on the tape. Nor did polis have a copy of the tape, which allegedly was given directly to an FBI agent staying in the hotel, by the store manager (Tacopina 4/25/06 civil filing, "Glenda" 6/14, 7/11 postings).

Also klaasend I have updated the TL again

Besides adding another dozen or so entries I have moved some things around, for example the information from Natalee's friends' affadavits is now located under the entry for civil filing date

Shizaru,
You are aware the FBI has done no such thing and will not comment on an ongoing investigation?  Posters just flat out lie about that.  It has been claimed the FBI verified just about evey aspect of the Joran supporter's agenda at one time or another and none of it is true.  Call them and ask if they did.

Most especially they are fond of claiming the FBI verified that Natalee ran away before which never happened and the FBI certainly has never verified any of that no matter who says they have.  The FBI would not even be the ones asked to identify the missing person but her family.  The FBI NEVER identifies a person when there is family to do so.  I am surprised you are not aware of that.  Both parents said it was not Natalee and not her in the HI lobby either.  

If there are known family or close association friends, the FBI defers to them for any and all identifications.  They NEVER take it upon themselves to identify anybody if there are those available who can do so from familial contact.  This is not even a good lie.  FBI's not going to say somebody is or isn't then have a family come along and say they were wrong.  I sure hope you don't believe this nor any of the other false claims of FBI verification.  Anyone can say the FBI did this and that but unless you have it in writing or the name of a contact agent I would advise you to consider the source.

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[Carnut]

Bolded portion added to the TL:

According to message board posts by Aruban reporter/Joran supporter "Glenda", sometime on Saturday a girl later identified as Natalee by the FBI is captured on tape at a jewelry store in the Wyndham hotel, arguing with an unidentified male. Reportedly, the male wanted to purchase an item of jewelry, she insisted on purchasing it herself, they then took their argument outside the store. A civil filing by Joran's lawyer Joe Tacopina states as fact that the girl on the tape is Natalee. However according to a reliable personal source, as of the time this tape's existence was first made public in April 2006, Aruban polis had not received any information from the FBI regarding an identification of Natalee on the tape. Nor did polis have a copy of the tape, which allegedly was given directly to an FBI agent staying in the hotel, by the store manager (Tacopina 4/25/06 civil filing, "Glenda" 6/14, 7/11 postings).

Also klaasend I have updated the TL again

Besides adding another dozen or so entries I have moved some things around, for example the information from Natalee's friends' affadavits is now located under the entry for civil filing date

Shizaru,
You are aware the FBI has done no such thing and will not comment on an ongoing investigation?  Posters just flat out lie about that.  It has been claimed the FBI verified just about evey aspect of the Joran supporter's agenda at one time or another and none of it is true.  Call them and ask if they did.

Most especially they are fond of claiming the FBI verified that Natalee ran away before which never happened and the FBI certainly has never verified any of that no matter who says they have.  The FBI would not even be the ones asked to identify the missing person but her family.  The FBI NEVER identifies a person when there is family to do so.  I am surprised you are not aware of that.  Both parents said it was not Natalee and not her in the HI lobby either.  

If there are known family or close association friends, the FBI defers to them for any and all identifications.  They NEVER take it upon themselves to identify anybody if there are those available who can do so from familial contact.  This is not even a good lie.  FBI's not going to say somebody is or isn't then have a family come along and say they were wrong.  I sure hope you don't believe this nor any of the other false claims of FBI verification.  Anyone can say the FBI did this and that but unless you have it in writing or the name of a contact agent I would advise you to consider the source.

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Yes Anna, just another aruban Bloomer being posted again.

[LilPuma]

Excerpt from the police tape - posted by jehnifer on the SM front page:

About DeVries’ investigation of suspect throwing someone over a bridge…

D says to J: You know very well, you’re always trying to come between us.
J says to D: Then you’re going to start talking shit about the choller (drug addict).
J says to D: My friend, it was me that helped you with that shit / the matter of the choller.
D says to J: I said that too.
J says to D: I didn’t read that, I also read the declaration.
S says to J: The thing about the choller was from me.
D or S says to J: That’s what I just said.
D or S says to J: I also said that in my first declaration. I did that for myself.

If this is the same incident, it sounds like Deepak had a problem with the choller and Joran did something to help him that resulted in the choller being thrown off the bridge by Joran.

[AnnieMW1]

Oh, KatGram, I'm so sorry; I can't help you.  I only own genuine pearls; I have them in all colors, shapes, and sizes, having collected them passionately for years (and I am always looking to expand my collection, as I'm of the firm opinion that one can never own too many!).  So, I'm sorry, but I can't answer your questions about cheap, fake, plastic ones--maybe someone else around here could help you.  Oh, and be careful washing them--only mild soap and water, air dry; and just try to use a lint-free cloth whenever possible!

Do you ever have anything to add to the discussion of Natalee Holloway?
I noticed that you have registered at RU and post the same self-aggrandizing blather over there as you do here.  Maybe if you posted your analysis of the statements you might impress me but I doubt you have taken the time to read them.  I don't care what you own, who you know, where you come from or where you have been.  I can ignore your silly, frivolous nonsense but your snide remarks make me fume.  I am not impressed.

An exchange worth logging in for....Leslie always gets right to the point.

Hope all Monkeys are doing well.  Thanks HubbyLove for the puppy pics - I lost my boy two weeks ago and these cheered me up.  

Hi to None, Angie, San, Jacquie, Mrs Red, Klaas, Tyler, SunnyinTX, FM...and everyone else I've missed.

Justice for Natalee....back to lurking.

[klaasend]

AnnieMW1  - Hi, great to see you!

[Ono]

Posted by Arubaanse on the SM front page:

(snipped)
Good news!!:) Peter R de Vries is in Aruba and he already came with a link to one of the suspects. It turns out that one of the suspects (WHICH ONE???) threw someone ( I think a choller) into the sea a couple of years back and they think that there might be a connection there and he and his team is investigating this right now.

Hope springs eternal...

[klaasend]

Wonder if Joran is still in Aruba or if he's back in the NL now that the De Vries people are in Aruba?



Maybe Joran has come down with a bad case of Monkeypox  

[San]

An exchange worth logging in for....Leslie always gets right to the point.

Hope all Monkeys are doing well.  Thanks HubbyLove for the puppy pics - I lost my boy two weeks ago and these cheered me up.  

Hi to None, Angie, San, Jacquie, Mrs Red, Klaas, Tyler, SunnyinTX, FM...and everyone else I've missed.

Justice for Natalee....back to lurking.

Hi Annie nice to see you.

[Ono]

JORAN gave the DRUGGIE beer

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


wonder why ??
   

I'm more inclined to believe that Joran tried to rob a drug dealer not give him a beer.

Whatever the circumstances, I am inclined to think that Joran most likely was the guilty party.  The victim was just that: a victim, and nobody did anything about it.  Instead, we are now calling the victim a druggie...(so, in other words,  he asked for it---blame the victim, sound familiar ??)

[robots]

JORAN gave the DRUGGIE beer

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


wonder why ??
   

I'm more inclined to believe that Joran tried to rob a drug dealer not give him a beer.

Whatever the circumstances, I am inclined to think that Joran most likely was the guilty party.  The victim was just that: a victim, and nobody did anything about it.  Instead, we are now calling the victim a druggie...(so, in other words,  he asked for it---blame the victim, sound familiar ??)

yes, i still think JORAN was trading beer for drugs to use on tourists

[robots]

JORAN gave the DRUGGIE beer

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


wonder why ??
   

I'm more inclined to believe that Joran tried to rob a drug dealer not give him a beer.

Whatever the circumstances, I am inclined to think that Joran most likely was the guilty party.  The victim was just that: a victim, and nobody did anything about it.  Instead, we are now calling the victim a druggie...(so, in other words,  he asked for it---blame the victim, sound familiar ??)

yes, i still think JORAN was trading beer for drugs to use on tourists

[justinsmama]

Joran is guilty as sin.

Got notice today that I am being sued over an auto accident that happened two years ago. Pain and suffering and all that bs. I was going less than 5 miles per hour, and the other driver had an injury prior to that accident, traveling too fast on a wet road and did not have on his headlights (State law to have them on in inclement weather) while driving a GREY vehicle. I'll have to hire an attorney.

Justinsmama:  This is why you have car insurance.  Send your insurance co. copies of any lawsuit, etc and let them handle it.  They will provide the attorney, get copies of police reports, etc.  Any questions? let me know.

Thanx, Peaches. I called my insurance company today and they are on it. They will hire an attorney to address the claims, fact find, investigate, etc. I was much relieved after speaking with the rep. He said they had been expecting it, as the 2 year statute of limitations was up just before the filing.

[Anna]

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An exchange worth logging in for....Leslie always gets right to the point.

Hope all Monkeys are doing well.  Thanks HubbyLove for the puppy pics - I lost my boy two weeks ago and these cheered me up.  

Hi to None, Angie, San, Jacquie, Mrs Red, Klaas, Tyler, SunnyinTX, FM...and everyone else I've missed.

Justice for Natalee....back to lurking.

I am so sorry, Annie!  And no HI to me??????????  Yep, those pups of Hubbylove look just great, shiny coats and bright eyes and playing.

Down side to having a pet is we are going to outlive several of them over the course of a lifetime and it has been my experience that it does not get any easier with having lost one before.  Like children, each is too unique for that.  But fortunately the saving factor is that we humans have room in our hearts for many, many over the course of a lifetime so it does help that we can love more than one pet equally.

Good to see you and don't  be a stranger!!

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[Ono]

It's a sad day when everyone else has to do the Aruba police job and detective work on this case. Especially Beth and Dave having to do most of it on their own in Aruba.
ALE and Officials just don't care. It's how they keep their illusion of "One Happy Island".

That illusion is a thing of the past. That's what they are screaming about......NOT about Natalee, who needed rescuing & quick justice.  The ALE and officials are either gutless wonders, or as crooked as snakes. Take your pick.